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Speaker 1: It will henceforth be the official policy of the United

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Speaker 1: States government that there are only two genders.

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Speaker 2: This is really bias from the government.

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Albert Albanisi commented on the situation.

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Speaker 4: Welcome panel of Overcaffeinated Pearl Clutter.

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Speaker 1: This is Sunday Morning with Darren, Heidi.

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Speaker 5: And Nick Swammy, an easy like sun morn.

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Speaker 1: Heidi Murphy, good morning too.

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Speaker 6: Good morning to you, fellow over caffeinated pearl Clutter.

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Speaker 1: Darren James, thank you so much, dedicated regular attendee of

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Speaker 1: the program. Indeed, as opposed to the ski Bunny, the.

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Speaker 7: Ski bunny, don't you two star? I got Devin support

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Speaker 7: alady from last week. I had no idea what it

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Speaker 7: was all about. I had the idea, but weren't here,

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Speaker 7: that's what. Yeah, But I immediately started to get a

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Speaker 7: little bit of a clue that obviously you had said something.

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Speaker 1: How was the snow?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, thank you very much. I did not go

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Speaker 7: to the snow.

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Speaker 1: I didn't tell us where you go. And then the

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Speaker 1: penny dropped at about ten past Edny.

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Speaker 7: Did not drop. You made it up. That's what in

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Speaker 7: the great bastions of fine journalism with this program. You

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Speaker 7: just made it up.

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Speaker 6: You were absent. It was a secret. We added two

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Speaker 7: Made it up and I know it was all meant

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Speaker 7: to be an attack on the mighty Melbourne Football Club.

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Speaker 7: And didn't they give you a tough time on Monday?

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Speaker 1: Sadly we got the four points?

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Speaker 7: Yeah they did. But turn you what? I bet you

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Speaker 7: right up until the last ten seconds you were a

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Speaker 6: Well I just knew you wouldn't kick straight.

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Speaker 7: But no, it was a great game of football. Collingwood

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Speaker 7: are great. They find a way to win. Good on them,

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Speaker 7: but got them.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what we're here for.

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Speaker 7: And of course, talking of pearl clutching, I think the

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Speaker 6: Well, what is going on with good reasons?

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Speaker 7: Israel absolutely and you don't have to be you don't

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Speaker 1: The right thing, less bombs, less war, lest a tax

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Speaker 1: on anyone, the better. It can't be just that they

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Speaker 7: And I'd love to hear from people. I mean, have

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Speaker 7: But we listened to Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister this

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Speaker 7: pretty right. She's basically said, Israel has every right to

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Speaker 7: She said, there is no doubt that Iran is a

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Speaker 7: but the problem now is whether it is going to escalate.

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Speaker 7: Beyond all of that she has said, she said on

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Speaker 7: Heidi mentioned, it's it's missiles at ten paces.

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Speaker 7: And Benjamin Etna, who is has knuckled down. He says

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Speaker 7: I don't think anyone's going to mourn them. They have

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Speaker 7: some big success hitting the nuclear program, They've had some

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Speaker 1: good morning, ah Hi.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joe Jen.

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Speaker 3: I was just git to say I don't think Penny

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Speaker 3: With the amount of aid that she's been sending in

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Speaker 3: That's the difference between that's the difference. And if Israel

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Speaker 7: the point I was making is her reaction this time

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Speaker 3: Things she keeps calling. She keeps calling for us to

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Speaker 7: That's the point.

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Speaker 3: Israeli wanted a two state solution for many, many years

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Speaker 3: well therefore there's a big false narrative about this war

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Speaker 7: But Jane, you say Israel wants a two state solution

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Speaker 3: Well they did, and they did up until October.

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Speaker 10: It didn't just happen overnight.

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Speaker 7: Incredibly well planned.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jane. To Anthony, good morning.

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Speaker 11: You have to understand a couple of things. First of all,

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Speaker 7: in terms of their military targets, they've been pretty precise.

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Speaker 1: I think he did lose.

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Speaker 7: not talking nuclear power here, George, we're talking nuclear weapons. So,

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Speaker 7: and that's been the debate, how you convert the uranium

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but it doesn't actually stop them.

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Speaker 7: It hasn't stopped them. Well, you can argue it's probably

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Speaker 6: Any more than zero is a problem.

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Speaker 7: Any more than zero, and we don't want them to

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Speaker 7: You know, it doesn't affect us, we shouldn't get involved.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you, if this affects the entire world,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to the call, more calls coming up. Stick with us.

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Speaker 1: This is Sunday morning. Darren James, Nick McCallum and Hardy

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Speaker 1: Murphy with you at seventeen past ten. The ongoing conflict

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Speaker 1: between Israel and Iran continues rockets midnight FI you see

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Speaker 1: it in the darkness of night. I feel this is

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Speaker 1: is this just the beginning? A good morning to you?

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Speaker 4: Good morning, and yes, unfortunately, I think it probably is

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Speaker 4: just the beginning, at least for now. This is the

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Speaker 7: Is this more likely to get the Iranians to the

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Speaker 4: Look, it probably is not going to be bringing the

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Speaker 4: any sort of negotiations in the short term. This is

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Speaker 7: And what this does show, doesn't it that there's so

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Speaker 4: Look, you'd never say never, you know, predictions always a

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Speaker 4: You know, when I said that the Israelis have been

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Speaker 1: Dr Ben, thanks for joining us on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 4: Absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 1: That's doctor Benzala, senior lecturer in International Relations at Monash University.

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Speaker 1: The number if you'd like to comment one double three

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Speaker 1: good morning.

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Speaker 14: Hi.

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Speaker 2: What I want Australians to understand is that Israel is

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Speaker 2: If the Iranian leaders don't conceal their attempt, they openly

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Speaker 7: Why did they turn that opposition? Not on not in

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Speaker 7: You're talking about Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mary. To Karl, good morning.

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Speaker 10: I question a couple of parts. The first part is

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Speaker 7: I believe they do, and I believe the UN part

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Speaker 15: Do the books.

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Speaker 7: Your democracy is can have no I think I think

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Speaker 16: Israel's got nuclear weapons signed, but they've had half a

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Speaker 16: So there's a big difference between Israel as a democracy

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Speaker 1: Only only nuclee. The only nuclear bombs that have gone

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Speaker 7: And totally as sad as it was for anyone who visits.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's that's fair enough. But she said. All all

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Speaker 18: thank you, And that's and that's fair enough.

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Speaker 7: But what she said, I agree with what she What

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Speaker 7: they ultimately do we may not agree with.

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Speaker 17: But what I let's see what they do.

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Speaker 1: The rubbish they're worth nothing morning, A morning work is

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Speaker 1: doing your mind no harm at all, Judy. Can I

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Speaker 1: just say how cold?

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Speaker 6: How cold? Judy?

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Speaker 17: How cold it's cold? The sun's out, it's a blue sky.

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Speaker 17: It's a sensational sunny day.

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Speaker 5: I feel for all those people suffering in Israel.

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Speaker 17: We have family, we have friends there. They're in bunkers,

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Speaker 17: they're going through a terrible thing. For the rest of

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Speaker 17: the world, they're there to save us. Please keep them

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Speaker 17: in our trees.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, thanks, And of.

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Speaker 7: Course mister Alberanzi is going to meet Donald Trump coming up.

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Speaker 7: We'll be speaking to Michael Packy shortly.

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Speaker 1: He's over there, and yeah, we'd love to.

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Speaker 7: Hear from people what they think Albow should say to

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump and how they think Trump will react to Albo.

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Speaker 7: Because we've seen Trump try to humiliate the world leaders.

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Speaker 7: Will he try and do the same thing to company Albanesi.

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Speaker 1: We are their greatest ally well, and there is.

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Speaker 7: A lot of history there and a lot of history,

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Speaker 7: and I think Orcus is something that Australia has to do.

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Speaker 7: But I think Australia has to do more, particularly in

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Speaker 7: the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Michael Packy coming up stick with us on a Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning at nineteen to eleven. Now Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi

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Speaker 1: is set to meet the President of the United States

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump on Wednesday. Melbourne Time Michael Packy, who we

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Speaker 1: find in Seattle, Washington. He's our national political editor at

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Speaker 1: nine Radio. Michael, A couple of questions. I want to

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Speaker 1: know where the meeting will be held, first of all,

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Speaker 1: and being in Seattle, Washington, isn't raining? And have you

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Speaker 1: had a coffee? Good morning, Good morning Darren.

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Speaker 5: Now there's a bit of a handful there. Well, firstly,

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Speaker 5: let's start with the weather. The weather is actually quite good.

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Speaker 5: But it's actually quite nice. The weather's not too that. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I've had a coffee and it was a Starbucks.

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Speaker 6: Famous for their coffee palatable, Michael, palatable, It.

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Speaker 5: Was palatable, It was palatable. But yeah, I believe so

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Speaker 5: when you're used to when you're used to Melbourne coffee,

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Speaker 5: or even Sydney coffee for that matter, or Canbra coffee,

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Speaker 5: we are choice.

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Speaker 19: There.

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Speaker 5: There you go, there you go, and Kevin ruds Intown

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Speaker 5: as well. So look, the g seventh Summit is happening

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Speaker 5: in Canada. The reason that we're in Seattle is because

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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister has held a meeting here with the

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Speaker 5: boss of Amazon, and Amazon has announced that it's going

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Speaker 5: to be spending an extra seven billion dollars in Australia

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Speaker 5: to build or expand its data centers. And these data

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Speaker 5: centers are basically based in Sydney and Melbourne. So over

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Speaker 5: the next four years are going to be expanding these

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Speaker 5: data centers as artificial intelligence growth. So it's basically to

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Speaker 5: provide capacity as more and more companies start using artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 5: and they're going to be spending this extra seven billion

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Speaker 5: dollars to build that capacity. So Amazon is saying that

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Speaker 5: overall the amount that it's investing in Australia is going

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Speaker 5: to be about twenty billion dollars over the next four

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Speaker 5: years or so. And the reason that it's important is

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Speaker 5: because Anthony Albanezi is going to be using this investment

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Speaker 5: that Amazon is making when he's having his chat to

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump in Canada over the next few days. He's

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Speaker 5: going to be talking about tariffs. He's saying he's going

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Speaker 5: to be telling Donald Trump that Australia and other countries

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Speaker 5: for that matter, should be exempt from tariffs on our steel,

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Speaker 5: our aminium and other products, saying that it makes no

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Speaker 5: sense and that companies like Amazon probably would have to

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Speaker 5: think twice if they were to invest in other countries. Now.

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Speaker 5: Amazon says that it's investing in Australia because it believes

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Speaker 5: Australia has growth potential, But both sorts of investments could

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Speaker 5: be put at risk as a result of these tariffs

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Speaker 5: that have been imposed by the US. So there's no

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Speaker 5: doubt that the issue of tariff's is going to be

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Speaker 5: on the agenda when Albanesi meets with Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 5: obviously the other the issue is defense and the ORCT.

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Speaker 6: Packed How optimistic do you reckon he is about getting

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Speaker 6: some leeway on the tariff's Michael.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think that he's hoping that, at the very

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Speaker 5: best that at least the tariffs on Australian steel and

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Speaker 5: aliminium could be reduced. Now the UK has negotiated a

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Speaker 5: reduction in their steel and alominium tariffs. So basically, whatever

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Speaker 5: steel and aliminium the British export to America, they only

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Speaker 5: pay a twenty five percent tariff, whereas any steel and

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Speaker 5: aliminium that Australia exports to America incurs a fifty percent tariff.

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Speaker 5: So I think that it'll be seen as a win

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Speaker 5: if Anthony Alberanezi can try at least reduce the tariff

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Speaker 5: for our steel and aluminum manufacturers. Whether or not that

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Speaker 5: happens remains to be seen. Put it this way, they're

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Speaker 5: very cautious. The Prime Minister and the government in general

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Speaker 5: are very cautious when they talk about Donald Trump. Even

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Speaker 5: the fact that we've got a confirmation at the meeting today,

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Speaker 5: that's taken almost a week, because for the past week,

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Speaker 5: all they've been saying is we're hopeful that will have

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Speaker 5: a chat with Donald Trump on the sidelines of the

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Speaker 5: G twenty summit, but we can't guarantee anything. It's only

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Speaker 5: today that they've been able to confirm that a meeting

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Speaker 5: has been scheduled. So they're very cagey about what they

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Speaker 5: say because they don't really know what will really be achieved.

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Speaker 7: And President Trump and his meetings one on one meetings

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Speaker 7: with world leaders, particularly world leaders like mister Alberanizi, who

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Speaker 7: have been critical of him in the past. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: a bit of a thraw of the dice, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: He missed Alberanzi really has to be on his game.

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, there's no doubt about it, because as we know,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump can be very unpredictable. Now, previously, when he's

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Speaker 5: been asked about Anthony Albersi, Donald Trump says that, you know,

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Speaker 5: he's a good man, he's you know, he's praised Anthony Alberesi.

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Speaker 5: He's already spoken to Anthony Alberesi by phone on three occasions,

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Speaker 5: so this will be the first time that they meet

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Speaker 5: face to face. But it also does come at a

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Speaker 5: time when Australia very subtly is starting to push back

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Speaker 5: on issues such as the tariff and even issues such

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Speaker 5: as defense spending. Remember that President Trump believes that Australia

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Speaker 5: should be spending about forty billion dollars a year on

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Speaker 5: it's military. So Anthony Alberanesi has been pushing back on

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Speaker 5: that a bit. So it'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 5: far he thinks he can go when he meets with

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Speaker 5: Trump face to face.

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Speaker 6: And you've been trampling with him for a few days now,

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Speaker 6: how how worried is he? Do you get the sense

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Speaker 6: about the orchestile falling through suddenly, the US pulling out

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Speaker 6: or winding right back.

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Speaker 5: Well, look again, they're not saying too much publicly, but

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Speaker 5: there's no doubt that privately they're worried that this review

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Speaker 5: that's been commissioned into August, you know, could derail things.

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Speaker 5: Whether or not it does, you know, you know, it

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Speaker 5: remains to be seen. There are close you know, there

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Speaker 5: are a lot of Australians are close to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: People like Scott Morrison is close to Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 5: we've got to remember that Scott Morrison was the architect

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Speaker 5: of UCUS, which is basically a deal between Australia and

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Speaker 5: the US and the UK to build these nuclear submarines

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Speaker 5: and broader military capacity. So maybe if people like Scott

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Speaker 5: Morrison has the ear of Donald Trump, if people like

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Speaker 5: the former ambassador Joe Hockey also has the ear of

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, maybe they can sway his thinking. But there's

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Speaker 5: you know, there's no doubt that privately that this review

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Speaker 5: into August, you know, there are worried that it could

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Speaker 5: bring up something that is unexpected and pretend actually the

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Speaker 5: investment in UCUST might be reduced from the American point

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Speaker 5: of view rather than increased.

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Speaker 7: And it also has to be remembered that while Australia

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Speaker 7: gets a lot out of AUCUST, so does America. America.

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Speaker 7: It's not a bad deal for America.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. We've got to keep in mind that Australia has

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Speaker 5: already made i think an eight hundred million dollar down

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Speaker 5: payment to the Americans to start getting the Virginia class submarines.

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Speaker 5: These are the submarines that we're going to be getting

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Speaker 5: before the actual aucust ones are made and the Virginia

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Speaker 5: class ones that are meant to be coming in the

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Speaker 5: next few years. And the other point that's been made

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Speaker 5: by Anthony Alberanzi is that these Virginia class submarines, whether

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Speaker 5: there be the ones that are given to Australia or

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Speaker 5: the American ones, well they're going to be serviced in Australia,

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Speaker 5: in Western Australia. In fact, we also help the Americans

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Speaker 5: with stationing some of their warships and also we involve

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Speaker 5: their marines in training exercises. So the Prime Minister is saying,

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Speaker 5: our defence spending is increasing, obviously not by forty billion

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Speaker 5: dollars a year, but it is increasing nonetheless, and we're

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Speaker 5: also doing other things to help the Americans, and you

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Speaker 5: do some of that heavy lifting, such as helping them

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Speaker 5: maintain their warship submarines and train some of their sailors.

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Speaker 1: One final one from myself, Michael. The Boeing factory is

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Speaker 1: located in Seattle, Washington. Where you have there been any

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Speaker 1: scuttle but or mentions of the India crash amongst the

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Speaker 1: people in pubs we've traveled, Well.

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Speaker 13: Look, I have.

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize that, but there hasn't been that that

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Speaker 5: I've heard at the moment. But there's no doubt that

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Speaker 5: that's an issue that would be of concern to Boeing.

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Speaker 5: There's been a couple of instances now involving that airline manufacturer,

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Speaker 5: so there's no we know that there's an investigation into

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Speaker 5: that crash and what may have happened. But look, I

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Speaker 5: haven't heard anything, well, not in the time that I've

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Speaker 5: been here. We haven't been here very long. But there's

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Speaker 5: no doubt that those sorts of issues will be discussed

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Speaker 5: by people at Boeing. But I can tell you one

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Speaker 5: thing that I did see today is the protests. The

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Speaker 5: anti Trump protests that have happened in Seattle are quite

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Speaker 5: a sight to see when you think of the thousands

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Speaker 5: of people that have come out. So it's actually I

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Speaker 5: would almost I would almost equate them to the similar

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Speaker 5: protests that you sometimes see in Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting stuff. Enjoy your Starbucks and thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us this morning.

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Speaker 5: No problems, come on you guys.

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Speaker 1: Michael Packing live from Seattle in Washington on three w

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Speaker 1: at six to eleven. Jonathan, thanks for calling.

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Speaker 20: Oh are we yeah?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 6: Great?

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Speaker 13: Look.

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Speaker 20: I think after mister Alberanezi has a meeting with the President,

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Speaker 20: our Prime minister is going to give some very polite

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Speaker 20: ultimatums and remind the US that they have bases over

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Speaker 20: here and they really need Australia, and Donald Trump's going

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Speaker 20: to say you need to spend more on defending yourself

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Speaker 20: as well. And after that I think will be shunned

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Speaker 20: and disengaged with America by America's choice.

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Speaker 1: That's dangerous, I.

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Speaker 7: Must say, Jonathan. I don't think that'll be the case.

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Speaker 1: Hope not.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that will.

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Speaker 6: You think will be the one world leader to walk

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Speaker 6: out of the of the of the Oval Office, or

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Speaker 6: walk out of the meeting with everything going verbal the

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Speaker 6: site of the GC. But he's going to walk in

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Speaker 6: there with a list of expectations. He's going to walk

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Speaker 6: out all of them.

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Speaker 7: You listen to, Jonathan, He says, the whole Orcus is

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Speaker 7: going to be blown up. I don't think that will

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Speaker 7: happen at all.

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Speaker 6: Partly blown up.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think she might be some change.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 7: Australia should spend more on defense, but also say to Trump,

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Speaker 7: Australia's presence in the Pacific has been appalling and it's

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Speaker 7: starting to improve, but it needs to be much greater.

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Speaker 7: Give us a role in the Pacific. We will include

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Speaker 7: increase aid and defense in the Pacific to make sure

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Speaker 7: the Chinese don't get in there. That is in Australia's

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Speaker 7: national interest, it's in America's national interest and it kills

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Speaker 7: two birds with one stone. So that's what where I

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Speaker 7: think Australia should go, and they should spend more money

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Speaker 7: in that area.

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Speaker 6: It'll be that conversation.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, what do you think, Jonathan, Look, any time will

674
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Speaker 20: tell because it will be unpredictable. But I think will

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Speaker 20: walk away with less than more.

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Speaker 6: I think you're probably right. But whether it whether it's

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Speaker 6: the entire thing ripped up, I don't think so.

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 6: No one seems to leave these meetings with what they wanted,

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Speaker 6: everything they wanted to, but.

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Speaker 7: Then they ultimately do. But then remember the British review.

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Speaker 7: When the new British government came in, they reviewed Aucust

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Speaker 7: as well and it was fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the next hour, are you, Hodie?

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Speaker 6: I certainly am, yeah, absolutely, but I had fun the

686
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Speaker 6: last hour.

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Speaker 13: It was good.

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Speaker 1: Nick m kellan, freshback from the snow. As you approach

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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 7: Piece is never going to end.

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Speaker 1: Sunday Morning, Sunday Morning, Darren, Heidi and Nick. It's well,

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Speaker 1: the sunshiny here in Melbourne. There's a bit of cloud

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Speaker 1: around that's all over the shop. But it's a Sunday

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Speaker 1: and it's a nice, easy going Sunday with Heidi Murphy.

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Speaker 1: I'm Darren James, Nick McCallum. You're here now. You're not

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Speaker 1: working today, Heidi on your role as a televisions presenter today.

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Speaker 6: No television news reporter.

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Speaker 1: No, there is a news person I watched the other day.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, we read the early news and she was

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Speaker 1: just a reporter. Who's a turner?

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Speaker 6: Just a reporter. She was exceptional.

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Speaker 1: She's reading the news then. Yeah, And where's and on

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Speaker 1: your side of the woods? NICKI, where's Peter Mitchell?

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Speaker 7: He took awake off?

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Speaker 1: Did he.

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Speaker 7: Needs to?

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Speaker 6: He needs to broadcast that.

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Speaker 1: And still can you both let your news editors know

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Speaker 1: that I'm still on the case of not Melbourne's Southeast,

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Speaker 1: just mentioned my rabbin not Melbourne's East, say box Hill,

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Speaker 1: Melbourne's North. Just open up with that. Butura, it'll give

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Speaker 1: you time for one extra story in the hour if

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Speaker 1: you stop Namby pamming around the area and go straight

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Speaker 1: to the suburb.

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Speaker 6: Ok here, let me just get in Melbourne Southeast. So

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Speaker 6: you went with that, there'll be room for another whole story,

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Speaker 6: getting rid of two words us by the time.

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Speaker 1: But then that has to be explained which suburb it

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Speaker 1: is in, because you eventually get to it. It does

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Speaker 1: know the car crash in Melbourne's East, and then the

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Speaker 1: car crash in Perry Road, Croydon. Then then Croyden's mentioned.

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Speaker 1: If you stop Namby pamming with them.

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Speaker 6: Are you sure you watch the news.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Every time I'm sure.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure.

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00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 6: Much is them that's doing it worse.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm dedicated to the nine day.

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Speaker 7: Mark. See, that's where he gets himself in trouble. He

730
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 7: wants to attack everyone, and then suddenly he realizes he's

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Speaker 7: done the wrong thing because he's watching the wrong channel.

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Speaker 1: Night good morning.

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Speaker 7: He's buried himself.

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Speaker 13: Hello Matt, Yes, a good morning Pedel. Now, look, I

735
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 13: don't want to be negative, but this is reality. There's

736
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Speaker 13: World War three at outdoorstep, and it's been there for

737
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Speaker 13: quite a while. Now. America's interest is their war. Mongols

738
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Speaker 13: keep the military conference going. They love wars. They're going

739
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Speaker 13: to take us like Vietnam War. Then last year, if

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Speaker 13: you recall, a diplomat from China was asked bout the

741
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Speaker 13: Australian media, if you interfere, if Australia interferes when we

742
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Speaker 13: take Taiwan, which that's another matter of time, what would happen?

743
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Speaker 3: You know?

744
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Speaker 13: But the Chinese diplomat said, use your imagination. Now we're

745
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Speaker 13: just bunished to America.

746
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Speaker 7: Okay, I disagree, Mark, Why is that?

747
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Speaker 13: Why is that? Nick?

748
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 7: Because we do stand up and state our policies, but

749
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 7: we also have to acknowledge that we are allies of America.

750
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 7: We're not bunnies of America. We're allies. And that's a

751
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 7: predical sense.

752
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 13: Australia, they can get out of the ten orchestras or

753
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 13: orchest whatever these submarines are. They all last us a

754
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 13: better half an hour. We don't stay in a chance,

755
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 13: we're twenty years behind in our military, we're twenty twenty

756
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Speaker 13: five years.

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00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 7: Well, surely it's time to try and catch up then

758
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Speaker 7: with or we.

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Speaker 1: Need to spend more money on the hed.

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Speaker 13: And do you think China's going to wait till we

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Speaker 13: catch up to you?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 13: Do you think they know what's going on?

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Speaker 7: Of course they do, but that's why you act now.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, But like I said, remember this, America's interest is war.

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00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 7: No, it's not. No, it's not, Mark, It's not why.

767
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Speaker 13: The military complex, Why is the war in Russia still going?

768
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 13: Why is the other one there bombarding Iran man weapons?

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Speaker 7: You've got a very you've got a very old view

770
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Speaker 7: of the world. Australia's interests align with a democracy, which

771
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Speaker 7: is America. Australia should be more involved in the Pacific.

772
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 7: We should be taking the place that helping the Pacific nations.

773
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Speaker 7: Otherwise trying to all take place and that's far worse.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mark to Mary. Good morning.

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Speaker 21: I think I'm related to Darren related related north Southeast

776
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 21: and West on the news, I said, well, where the

777
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 21: hell is northwesteat?

778
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: And the tissue boxes?

779
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 9: I've got issues, That's right.

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Speaker 1: You don't know the tissue box story. Do you Nick

781
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: and Hardy? Was it sorbant Mary or the other ones?

782
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 15: No?

783
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Speaker 22: I think it's the other campaign.

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Speaker 1: They took away the plastic which guided the tissue beautifully

785
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: out of the box, and they've redesigned it, and they've

786
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: got flaps of cardboard, haven't they, Marry? And these flaps

787
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: are insufficient. So you pull out the first tissue into

788
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: about ten different pieces, doesn't it, Mary? And then what happens?

789
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 13: It does?

790
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 8: I've cut a big hole in mind?

791
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Speaker 21: So they come out without.

792
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: Wasting the Yeah, because you waste them and you shouldn't

793
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: have to cut a hole.

794
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 6: We can't put plastic in things anymore. That'll be why.

795
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: Well, it's just it's not good, is it, Mary?

796
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 21: No, it's very fine, and there's not much quest No.

797
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, let the record reflect Mary and Darren. I

799
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Speaker 6: put suburban names in my story. Is there's one I

800
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 6: did from early this week the health minister in Sunbury?

801
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Speaker 1: Good on you.

802
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 6: They were the first five words of a story Wednesday night.

803
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Speaker 1: The newsreader who presented that story. And before you got

804
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Speaker 1: to you in Sunbury? Did they say in Melbourne's North No?

805
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Speaker 6: No, because it wasn't about that oh good, Well.

806
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: We're getting somewhere. We're making in rows and if.

807
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 7: You do read Darren, every story has its location on

808
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 7: the cairn as.

809
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 6: Well what word it appears.

810
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: But the lead up to the story doesn't. I want

811
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: to know the suburbs straight away, stop namby pamming in

812
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: the lead up in the intro in the interest that

813
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Speaker 1: you wanted in the story the intro car Crushing clawdon

814
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: bang car croushing Bourne, not Melbourne's Inner East. Thank you

815
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: for the call, Mary.

816
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 7: Now we're moving on. Can we give you our news

817
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 7: director's numbers? You can ring them direct and we'll watch

818
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 7: the phone call see how they goes.

819
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 6: Well, I used to know who did we email and

820
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 6: you can send it in.

821
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: We knew that. What was that bloke that's gone back

822
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: to Perth? We knew him.

823
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 7: Sure, we meant.

824
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: We had a good chat about news there, didn't.

825
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Speaker 6: We Well you chatted a lost as you are, wont

826
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Speaker 6: to do it the theater.

827
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Speaker 7: He was very impressed.

828
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Speaker 1: Was well after the show of course, memory, I believe

829
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Speaker 1: that's right. Anyway, we're heading to Ballarat now because there's

830
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Speaker 1: a rally going ahead today in Ballarat against the Allen

831
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Speaker 1: Government's Emergency Services Levy. We have the Mayor Tracy Hargraves

832
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Speaker 1: on the line. Now, who is the mayor of Ballarat?

833
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Speaker 1: How big is this protest going to be? Tracy, good

834
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Speaker 1: warning to you.

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Speaker 22: Good morning.

836
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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Look, it's pretty massive already. There's a ton of fire trucks.

838
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 22: There's heaps of people. They're currently just doing a bit

839
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Speaker 22: of a you know, a drive around the streets before

840
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 22: they get back and have speeches and things. But like,

841
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 22: it's it's large.

842
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 7: And why did you and the council get involved in

843
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Speaker 7: organizing this?

844
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Speaker 22: Well, councils involved from day one in this because we're

845
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Speaker 22: being asked to be the tax collectors for this levey

846
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Speaker 22: that's going on too people's rates. Notice, it's I think

847
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Speaker 22: it's going to be confusing for people. So council, you know,

848
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Speaker 22: in Ballarat, we made a resolution that was unanimously supported

849
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Speaker 22: by our councilors last month to very clearly say that

850
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Speaker 22: we oppose this tax, we oppose the way it's being

851
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Speaker 22: rolled out and administrated, and we are one hundred percent

852
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 22: clear that we don't actually we don't want much to

853
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Speaker 22: do with.

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Speaker 5: This at all.

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00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 7: Can you refuse to put it on the rates?

856
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 22: Notice, that's such a great question that many people out

857
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Speaker 22: there are asking, and the answer is no, this is

858
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 22: past through is legislation. So to not collect that would

859
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 22: be council breaking the law. And we can't pick and

860
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Speaker 22: choose which laws we decide we want to follow or not.

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Speaker 6: So even if the council were to vote against it,

862
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Speaker 6: because there's a council in Melbourne, the Yarra Council is

863
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Speaker 6: taking it to a meeting on Tuesday night to say

864
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Speaker 6: we're not going to collect it. If that vote gets up,

865
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 6: what is that just shouting? That's just shouting into the wind.

866
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Speaker 22: That's actually incorrect. So their motion is to get legal

867
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 22: advice on not paying it, right, But the different thing

868
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Speaker 22: from not collecting it. And look, and this is the thing.

869
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Speaker 22: This is points to the confusion that's in the community

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Speaker 22: about this and it's kind of pitting people against each

871
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Speaker 22: other unfairly because there's no council in Victoria that is

872
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 22: able to not collect this. It's simply not true. And

873
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Speaker 22: if they were to break the law and go ahead

874
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 22: and try and do that, I guarantee you there'd be

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Speaker 22: swift action taken against that council.

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Speaker 7: So you think taking a legal advice is piddling into

877
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 7: the wind, you've already had legal advice.

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00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 22: That it's yeah, exactly. Yeah, the MAV has already had

879
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 22: legal advice. It's been distributed to every council as well,

880
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 22: that says that we have to do it.

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Speaker 23: It's law.

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00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 22: So the legal advice, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm

883
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 22: pretty sure it'll come back and say that is the law.

884
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 6: And you have to do it.

885
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 13: Yeah.

886
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 6: Do you get a sense at all, Tracy, that anger

887
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 6: at this is yeah, bubbling along, but we'll just sort

888
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 6: of will die out as you realize you're up against

889
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 6: an immovable force.

890
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 22: Well, look, I don't think so. I mean, I reckon

891
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 22: if you came and asked all these fear faifer and

892
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 22: people and farmers and you know, I think once the

893
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 22: rates notice goes out and people are getting these massive hikes,

894
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 22: like commercials going up seventy percent, you know, there's a

895
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 22: twelve months reprieve for farmers on there. But this is

896
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 22: not going away. So I don't think the opposition to

897
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 22: it will go away either.

898
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, now you go go, No, you go,

899
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: you go, you go, there you go.

900
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 6: I was going to say, is it political or communityssroots?

901
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 7: Thing?

902
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 23: Is there?

903
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 6: Is there all these scrap attacks, rallies that involve the

904
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 6: UF you and involve members of the Liberal Party quite

905
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 6: often or National Party? Are they Is there a danger

906
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 6: it just looks political? Is it really driven by grassroots

907
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 6: that community concern?

908
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 22: I hear what you're saying, and I don't know. I mean,

909
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 22: politics is certainly an element of this because it's, you know,

910
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 22: a labor government that's rolling this out. But I think

911
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 22: this affects every single person in Victoria, so I think

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Speaker 22: take the politics out of it. I don't even care.

913
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 22: I just don't know how people are going to afford

914
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 22: at times are tougher than they've ever been, and this

915
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 22: is I mean, it's particularly unfair I think for people

916
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 22: in the country who are being charged more. And then

917
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 22: I just think you can't politics picks aside. You can't

918
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 22: really separate how bad this is going to be. I mean,

919
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 22: the effect on the CFA is really bad. And I

920
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 22: don't you know, I think there's a lot of things

921
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 22: that go into this. I don't even care about the

922
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 22: politics of it, to be honest, And the.

923
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 7: Government was hoping the announcement of the one year reprieve

924
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 7: would dows the anger a bit. Have you seen any

925
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 7: evidence it's dows the anger or put it off.

926
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 22: What's how does twelve months? I understand in the short

927
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 22: term that will be a relief for a small number

928
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 22: of people, who are the farmers that have been given

929
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 22: that in you know. I don't know whether they looked

930
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 22: at how bad the drought situation was before thinking we're

931
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 22: going to take tens of thousands of dollars more off

932
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Speaker 22: of these people.

933
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Speaker 4: But I.

934
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Speaker 22: Don't think it goes far enough by any sterrect share.

935
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Speaker 6: And do you expect Aunt Martha Halett to show up

936
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 6: today at all the labor MP from the broader area

937
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 6: around where you are.

938
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 22: I wouldn't think that we will see any you know,

939
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Speaker 22: fitting representatives here this morning, but you'd have to ask then.

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Speaker 15: No.

941
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Speaker 6: I just know that she's she's the one MP on

942
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Speaker 6: the labor side of things who's actually had a bit

943
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Speaker 6: to say.

944
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Speaker 7: It would be, It would be, and it would be

945
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Speaker 7: remarkably courageous of her to do it, and it would

946
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Speaker 7: be an important open with you. I don't think she'll

947
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Speaker 7: turn up, but I think it would be courageous. I

948
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Speaker 7: think she's been previously pretty courageous to stand up because

949
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Speaker 7: the record of this labor government is not good with

950
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Speaker 7: people who they disagree with. Sure, sure, yeah, at least

951
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 7: she's said a few things that are heading in the

952
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Speaker 7: right direction for her career. I'm not sure, but any.

953
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Tracy, No, thanks for having me.

954
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Speaker 22: I really appreciate the opportunity.

955
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Speaker 1: That's Tracy Hargraves, mayor of a town in Victoria's rural

956
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: rural west.

957
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 6: Rural west.

958
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: See how annoying it is.

959
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Speaker 6: Not the rural.

960
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

961
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Speaker 6: Well, no, that's silly.

962
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to prove that it's silly.

963
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 6: You just say in regional Victoria.

964
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Speaker 7: It's Midwest.

965
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Speaker 6: Yes, I know that.

966
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Speaker 7: So when Donald Trump says talks about how that the

967
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 7: great Midwest of America, you have the same issue.

968
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: No, because he's referring to an area. But we're referring

969
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: to an incident in the suburbs.

970
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 6: The town in region Victoria called.

971
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Ballarat is So that's why I was taking the I

972
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: was illustrating to you the mayor of a town in

973
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: Victoria's rural west.

974
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 6: Just say, Belle, but it's not in Victoria's rule west.

975
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 6: That would be stalled. That would be west, that would I.

976
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Will describe the area for you people. Well, you're not

977
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: going to say the town's name, so where is it located?

978
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 6: Everyone knows?

979
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, all the news you say.

980
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 15: In this I do.

981
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 7: Ballad is written on the story. And of course if

982
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 7: the protest, I bet you tonight I will say there's.

983
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: There's a radio going in the kitchen and someone screaming

984
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm on your side, Darren.

985
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 7: I don't start.

986
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 6: You keep telling yourself that.

987
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, that'll make you feel better.

988
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: Past eleven and to John good morning, Good morning running.

989
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 19: A tracy are goin to Councel Lebey that they've been

990
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 19: forced by the state government increase they need to attach

991
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 19: a notice or printed on the bill itself. This is

992
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 19: one of they it's an unfair tax by the state

993
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 19: labor governments. You are they forced to charge you for this.

994
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 19: If you have a complaint right to your local.

995
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 20: Member of parliament.

996
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 19: That's a idea very good a bit more activists and

997
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 19: and I'm sure this the government tries to change the law.

998
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 19: They couldn't prevent the councils from doing this.

999
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 6: Well, as long as if the law is that the

1000
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 6: councils have to charge you have to collect the levee

1001
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 6: on behalf of government sure, pop it on the bill,

1002
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 6: but put it with compliments. Slip in there attached to

1003
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 6: the bill saying here the details your local mpter complain

1004
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 6: about this unfair tax.

1005
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 7: Absolutely, or if if there's all unfortunately there when he

1006
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 7: cashed up councils around, But if there was a cashed

1007
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 7: up council, you could maybe take it to court and

1008
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 7: challenge the legislature.

1009
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. But also, Darren, I agree with you

1010
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 19: one hundred percent of naming the suburbs and news reporting.

1011
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 19: It's really frustrating, especially when you know the news is

1012
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 19: coming out of Sydney. May just say a north western

1013
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 19: suburb of Melbourne.

1014
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 6: Talking about radio news.

1015
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: Nice television news.

1016
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 6: Nick and I work for comes out of Melbourne. Yeah,

1017
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 6: but it's Docklands, to be precise, If I may Docklands.

1018
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 19: Also, you're feeding through General nine news.

1019
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 6: I can't see the shade from the news that I

1020
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 6: The news team that I'm a part of works in

1021
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 6: Melbourne broadcasts out of Melbourne. We aren't broadcasting out of Sydney.

1022
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 19: Okay, look, I'll take you that. Are you on your word?

1023
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 7: And said behind John, have you not watched the news?

1024
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 7: Peter Mitchell Peter Hitchinger and are all based in Melbourne,

1025
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 7: but broadcast Adam Melbourne.

1026
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: That's very very melourne story, won't they Melbourne Southeast?

1027
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 19: Look sorry guys, but I wouldn't watch Channel nine Music

1028
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 19: unless you paid me. Although, Darren, if you want to

1029
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 19: take there for a beew, I watch to change my mind.

1030
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 6: But you see which channel do you watch? Do you

1031
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 6: just don't watch any commercial TV channel?

1032
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1033
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 19: I watch a whole range of news because I'm going

1034
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 19: to see what the enemies up to and see how

1035
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 19: they record things like.

1036
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 7: It's nice you think the journalists serenemies. That's Charlie. Thank you, John,

1037
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 7: that's good to hear.

1038
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 16: John.

1039
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 8: Good morning, Good morning Darren, Darren, Darren, thank God for

1040
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 8: you bringing up the real.

1041
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: Issue tissues or the suburbs.

1042
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 8: And the tissues cold tishoes, colds. They have no plastic

1043
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 8: and you can get them out easy. But the god

1044
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 8: please nor Southeast. No, just tell us it's balloraded Bendi its.

1045
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 4: Quote in it.

1046
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: Just tell us I told you we do tell you, yeah,

1047
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: but not before say Melbourne's East.

1048
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 8: But Hi, do you keep saying you you?

1049
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 5: You?

1050
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 12: Now?

1051
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 8: Are other people out there, my darling, beside you, there

1052
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 8: are other News.

1053
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 6: Really realize that, but Darren's making it very personal that

1054
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 6: I need to fix it.

1055
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 7: Nine it.

1056
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 6: Well, my work there won't be the work that the

1057
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 6: thing I'm responsible for is one hundred percent by name

1058
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 6: the suburb, I name the spot.

1059
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sandra, SI morning, your fault, Hello Siev.

1060
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 24: Yes, I normally like your stuff that on this occasion,

1061
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 24: I'm going to disagree on this one more occasion. I

1062
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 24: think it's a good idea to have had those suburb

1063
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 24: names because if you're if you're watching something and if

1064
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 24: it's a big thing that happens in Victoria or something

1065
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 24: like that. I don't know, we've we've had in the

1066
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 24: past Gameland, Gangland things and underworld stuff going on, and

1067
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 24: it's probably good idea to say, in Melbourne's northeast or

1068
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 24: in Victoria's southwest or south that's that's that's a bad

1069
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 24: thing at all.

1070
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

1071
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 7: And there are some suburbs too, in fairness where not

1072
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 7: a lot of people know, like say, for instance, Daring,

1073
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 7: if I was to ask you, Cobble Bank.

1074
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: Oh, Cobble Bank that's out in Melbourne's west.

1075
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 7: Is almost south Ish West. Yes, But there are some

1076
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 7: particularly new suburbs where We're not everyone is I FA

1077
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 7: with them?

1078
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 6: Like DRUGA, Well, I'm not Chrugging is well known, but

1079
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 6: say phrases Rise. I'd had to go do a story

1080
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 6: in phrases. Rise is the fastest growing suburbs out in

1081
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 6: Melbourne's West, but as fast as growing suburbs, mostly because

1082
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 6: it didn't exist as a suburb a couple of years

1083
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 6: ago and suddenly it's just a big developments developments developments.

1084
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 7: So that's fair under the I'd just like to put

1085
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 7: this to your honor, respect respectfully, my learned friend and

1086
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 7: I we would like to put it to you that

1087
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 7: is it is It is acceptable only.

1088
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: If it's like, there's a place called Lovely Legs out

1089
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: near Geelong, Isn't there is that?

1090
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 7: No, it's Lovely View?

1091
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 6: Is it Lovely Banks?

1092
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: Lovely Banks Banks? Should they should know the Lovely Legs.

1093
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: That's another story approach.

1094
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 7: That could have been a lot worse to wheel come

1095
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 7: off just a little. Yeah, that's right. They're talking about

1096
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 7: the end of the world for the first hour and

1097
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 7: that's had this effeir. But so you agree that.

1098
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: That is acceptable if it's a really really unknown.

1099
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 7: Who determines how unknown the suburb is?

1100
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 15: Uh?

1101
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 6: Wells there should be Darren James.

1102
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Speaker 23: Question.

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Speaker 1: It's haun to Glenn.

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Speaker 25: Good morning, Oh, good morning, Nick. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 25: the snow. Marco definitely gave you a run for your

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Speaker 25: money last week.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: You know you know that is a fallacy, it is

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Speaker 1: that he gave you a run for his money.

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Speaker 7: No, no, I'm sure that wasn't the case. That the

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Speaker 7: fallacy is the snow he never goes.

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Speaker 6: We did make okay?

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Speaker 8: Cool?

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Speaker 25: But I must admire Tracy, the mayor of bell rat

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00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 25: there that you had on absolutely incredible. But usually if

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Speaker 25: the rate payers don't want to pay fine, the council

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00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 25: doesn't want to enforce those payments, that's even better.

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Speaker 13: So what's going to happen from there?

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Speaker 25: Do we go back to the Eureka stockade and the

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Speaker 25: Melbourne's going to send down the state government is going

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Speaker 25: to send down their troops from the secular parracks to

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Speaker 25: collect taxpayers money. Like this is a beautiful protest. I

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 25: guess it's wonderful.

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Speaker 6: The issue will be, Glenn, that the council goes out

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Speaker 6: with the rates notices. The council, the councils need the

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Speaker 6: rates to come in they just don't want the extra

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00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 6: text to they don't have to collect and then pass

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Speaker 6: on the extra at tax. So are you saying they

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Speaker 6: shouldn't pay People just don't pay their rates.

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Speaker 25: No, people don't pay the portion of the tax levy.

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00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 25: The Ballarat Council will not enforce that, so that puts

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Speaker 25: it way back onto the state government.

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Speaker 13: So what are they going to do?

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Speaker 25: Well not proportion out funds and if they default, well

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00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 25: force has to take over and that puts the state

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Speaker 25: government in a very tricky situation. Ballarat adigo, mildura. It's

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Speaker 25: gananad It's an interesting everywhere.

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Speaker 7: It's an interesting situation, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Thanks Glenn to Gary, good morning, Yes, good morning.

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Speaker 23: Then I'll tell you. I'll listen to you guys. It's hilarious.

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00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 14: You sound like two couples discussing marriage details.

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00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 23: It's hilarious.

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00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 6: Which bees.

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00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm married to Nick and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 6: Which bit are you talking about?

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Speaker 23: Horror between you? It's unbelievable, like, aren't here anyone because

1147
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 23: you're all poor than to one. What I'm actually calling about,

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01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 23: it's a little more serious, is discussing earlier about our

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 23: Prime minister and Trump and the initial meeting and so forth. Look,

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01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 23: our government today has got to get real. I mean,

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 23: how can they expect anything from America and give nothing.

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 23: In fact, even worse, go against America in everything that

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Speaker 23: we're doing currently.

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Speaker 14: This government voted against Sorry, but this government has voted

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Speaker 14: against the US on everything. In anything, they voted against

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Speaker 14: the US.

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Speaker 23: And the UN with Israel. Israel is the protector of

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Speaker 23: democracy in the Middle East, and they're meant to be allies.

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Speaker 23: God forbid if they had to rely in Australia, we're

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Speaker 23: in ollies. I hate to see the enemy.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Gary, seriously, are you seriously saying that Australia's

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Speaker 7: record since World War Two, in particular Australia has been

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Speaker 7: I think it was certainly one of the few to

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Speaker 7: follow the Americans into every war they've been in since

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Speaker 7: World War Two.

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Speaker 13: Wonderful history.

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Speaker 7: You've got to talk about history and the current support.

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Speaker 7: You don't have to slavishly follow America doing everything as

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Speaker 7: an ally, but you have to be a strong ally

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Speaker 7: on a number of the strongest points, and Australia has

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 7: been and you can't ignore history.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for that to Rowan, Good morning, Oh good morning everyone.

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Speaker 15: It's Rowan from Danny Long north.

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Speaker 7: From Melbourne southeast.

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Speaker 15: Before I'm with Darren James. It's like with the footy,

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01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 15: they say the kicking to the city end or the

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01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 15: punt road in, they don't say the northwest end or

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Speaker 15: the southeast end. And so I'm with Darren James. But

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Speaker 15: as far as America goes, Trump will come and go

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Speaker 15: captain chaos. But America will always be our friend and

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Speaker 15: our ali and I'd rather have them on my side

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01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 15: than zz Ping and mister Putin. So that's it for me,

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Speaker 15: America all the way.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree, Ryan, I agree with you as you agreed

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Speaker 1: with me. Thanks for that. Now what are you doing

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Speaker 1: to Greg? Good morning?

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Speaker 10: I'm good, hey guys.

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Speaker 9: With the Israeli Iran conflict, I'm worried. I'm more worried

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Speaker 9: about the people that live in Melbourne that would side

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Speaker 9: with Iran because we have a lot of dangerous immigrants

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01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 9: coming in because we've got this non discriminatory policy on

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Speaker 9: immigration enables dangerous people to come from We have a.

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Speaker 7: Very discriminatory policy on immigration when it comes to that

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Speaker 7: what you're talking about, Greg, If people want to indicate

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Speaker 7: an opinion that they oppose what Israel has done. That's fine.

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01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 7: An opinion is fine. Inciting violence or being violent is wrong,

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Speaker 7: and that's where we have to clamp down. But if

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Speaker 7: people want to state an opinion they disagree with Israel,

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Speaker 7: as we've seen on the streets in Melbourne for the

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Speaker 7: past eighteen months or so, that's fine. If it goes

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Speaker 7: too far, that's where you stop it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call to Blair, Good Morning Morning team,

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Speaker 1: thanks to your show.

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Speaker 26: I want to go back to the way things are

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 26: reported just quickly. I have a family member in vic

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Speaker 26: Pol and it infuriates me when there's a police incident

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Speaker 26: where someone has got where the police is to use

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Speaker 26: force or something and the last thing that gets reported,

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 26: and it's mainly on radio news, the last thing they

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 26: say ethical standards are investigating. And the inference straight away

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01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 26: is the police have done something wrong and they're doing

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Speaker 26: a job no one else wants to do. Well, not

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 26: no one else. There's a lot of pole members, there's

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 26: not enough, but they're doing a fantastic job. They're doing

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Speaker 26: the hardest job, and it just it's really hard to

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01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 26: listen to when the last thing they report on is

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Speaker 26: ethical standards are investigating and the inference that they've done

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Speaker 26: something wrong.

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Speaker 7: There's certainly no inference of that because that's routine practice.

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Speaker 7: Whenever there's a police incident where someone has hurt or

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 7: shot or tasted whatever, there's always a review, so there

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Speaker 7: shouldn't be there should not be any inference. And most

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01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 7: of the times, particularly when it's a police shooting, you

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 7: have a senior officer saying going through the case and

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01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 7: indicating their support.

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 26: Do most of the time the radio news especially, they

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01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 26: don't have when it's reported every half hour, it's the same,

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 26: it's the same message, and you don't hear that the

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Speaker 26: senior police supporting them. All you hear is ethical standards.

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Speaker 26: And it might not be a police shooting. It happens

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 26: quite often where that one line is said, and it's

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Speaker 26: just the lasting of people here.

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Speaker 6: And because it's it's normally yeah, I can understand you're feeling,

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01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 6: you know, personally a bit affronted by it and understand

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 6: and hearing that inference in it. It's a line that

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01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 6: police media will have put on their release that is

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Speaker 6: sent out. Professional standards or ethical standards are investigating similar

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01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 6: to how they do. A report will be prepared for

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01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 6: the coroner and it's the last line of the media

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01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 6: release or the little statement that comes from police, and

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01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 6: so that does often make and it's what it does,

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 6: often make its way into reporting.

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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, and all all police incidents like that are investigated

1244
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 7: by ethically. As a matter of course. It's a routine thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Blair up next, slather and whack. I got

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: to say, don't hold it, don't grab it yet. But

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: Mark Allen, being a former professional golfer, didn't he crack

1248
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: it beautifully last year?

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 6: He certainly did. He's saying there's a lot to live

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01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 6: up to it.

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01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: Nick, pick it up. See if he as good as Mark.

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any start.

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: Not bad for someone that's spent a week in the snow.

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 7: All right, and you want to see and you want

1255
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 7: to see my golf, I tell you it's absolutely I'd

1256
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 7: like you to.

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Speaker 6: Go first, all right, slather and whack. My whack would be.

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Speaker 6: I was reading in the newspaper today that the Melbourne

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01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 6: City Council has got a problem with I saw buildings

1260
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 6: and they're going to do something about I saw buildings.

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01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 6: They want to do something about them. If I had

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01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 6: a dollar for every mayor of this city that has

1263
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 6: tried to crack down on the I saw buildings over

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01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 6: the history of time. I could retire quite comfortably and

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 6: wealthily to some beachside resort. Frankly, act stop talking about

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01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 6: doing something, do it, Just get it done, providing some

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01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 6: sort of insense or disincentive. Go in there with a

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01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 6: giant stick and start whacking them like.

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01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 7: It's the owners have to get on with it. I

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01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 7: mean all the plans that we're talking in particular that

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01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 7: probably the biggest iceore that's been there for a while

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 7: is the old.

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Speaker 6: Cants a council building. But there's a number of them, Yeah,

1274
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 6: but deserted building play and.

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01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 7: After plan after plan, many of them way too ambitious.

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01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 7: You just have to say to the owners, do it

1277
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 7: or move on.

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 6: Whoever is owning that site needs to maintain it. Tidy

1279
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 6: it up, keep it clean, keep it respectable, keep it

1280
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 6: the opposite of it of a squatted the release.

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01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 7: It's got to be knocked down, the whole building, no

1282
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 7: matter what you do with it, it has to be

1283
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 7: knocked down. So let's knock it down.

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 6: Unbelievable. Just get on and do something. That's the whack.

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01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 6: The slagger is tomorrow afternoon at State Parliament, a bunch

1286
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 6: of polleys will put aside their normal proceedings join together

1287
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 6: for one cause. It's Parliament's version of the Big Freeze.

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 6: So there's like a like a dunking machine that MPs

1289
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 6: will sit in and be dunk for the target of

1290
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 6: about fifty grand and they're up to about thirty seven

1291
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 6: thirty eight grand or so so far. So I need

1292
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 6: to lift their game just a little bit, but it

1293
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 6: should be wildly entertaining. I think the Deputy Premiere is

1294
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,919
Speaker 6: sort of the highest profile of them and the Opposition

1295
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 6: leader both.

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01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 7: Going in and it must be said they're doing it

1297
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 7: as part of a credit freeze. MD Emma Thoughton, who's

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 7: member is a Member of Parliament who is suffering MND

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 7: and you point out is the occasionally in a wheelchair.

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01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was diagnosed early last year and Labor MP

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01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 6: backbencher and just good to see all the politicians coming

1302
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 6: together from all sides for what is a good cause.

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 7: We criticize them all the time, so when they do

1304
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 7: something like this they deserve it.

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01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 6: Pat on the see how it goes. Thinks about fifteen

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01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,480
Speaker 6: degrees or so tomorrow.

1307
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 7: And let's hope it's raining Teddy, who is going to

1308
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 7: be right up the front helping put in the ice

1309
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 7: due Nick, what is yourself? Yeah, this is sort of

1310
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 7: I don't know whether it's a slather or whack, but

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 7: I think we should mention this horrible developments in the

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01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 7: United States overnight when in Minnesota a Democratic member of

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01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 7: parliament and her husband were both murdered, and another Democratic

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01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 7: representative and his wife were badly injured in what is

1315
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 7: said to be a political assassination. Now the person is

1316
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 7: on the run at the moment, and various manifestos have

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 7: been found. This is just appalling. It's obviously received widespread

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Speaker 7: condemned nation right across the country, including from President Trump.

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Speaker 7: But this is just appalling that this could happen in

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Speaker 7: a great democracy like America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good.

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Speaker 7: Their own work. Yeah. So, and the the AFL captains

1323
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 7: put out a what I thought was a very moving

1324
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Speaker 7: video on abuse in particular, and it was a great idea.

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Speaker 7: They were actually shown video or heard audio of actual

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 7: abuse from community footy and you could see none of

1327
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 7: them footballers are very good things, but few of them

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 7: are good actors. And you actually looked at their reaction

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Speaker 7: and a lot of them were pretty shocked at how

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Speaker 7: bad it was. So the AFL has put that out.

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Speaker 7: It's a good move. It should be encouraged, and also

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Speaker 7: helped out local clubs to try and stamp it out.

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Speaker 7: So that's good.

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Speaker 1: My wak is again the motorbikes, electric motorbikes, which are

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: getting more powerful than ever, being ridden by food delivers

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 1: more often than not with a helmet. A turban is

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: not a helmet, is a hiding I don't believe. I

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01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:50,480
Speaker 1: don't believe prediction.

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01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 6: Now similar with the like just a cap that's also

1340
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 6: not a helmet.

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: Not a helmet, and they are unregistered. They are increasing

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01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: in number, they go on the foot paths. Are they speed?

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01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: They're increasing in speed. Something will need to be done

1344
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: or someone will be killed. That's my whack, my slather.

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: There's an underpass, a pedestrian underpass at the railway station

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Speaker 1: I use often, and the graffiti thugs which utilize that

1347
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: tunnel to perform their vandalism are being beaten because I've

1348
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: been catching the train quite a bit and one day

1349
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: there's some scrawl that you can't understand. What do they

1350
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: call it a tag or something? I thought, oh, they're

1351
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: over the new paint work. Less than twenty four hours

1352
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: later it had been painted over by I think.

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01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 6: The city of They say that's the day later.

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: On the other side, there's more vandalism. A day later,

1355
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: it's been painted over. We are going to win the war, vandals.

1356
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: We're coming to get you, and when we catch you

1357
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: to public whipping, that's my slavor.

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 7: It's going so well, that was going so well.

1359
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 6: To that point. Man, I don't know you're winning the war.

1360
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 6: I don't reckon anyone's actually winning that particular war by

1361
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 6: any stretch.

1362
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: Very good, just to paint over it straight away.

1363
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 7: Well, that has been the policy of me. He counts

1364
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 7: a lot of councils, and maybe this is Stephen Jolly

1365
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 7: has really got onto the Air accouncil onto it. But

1366
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 7: that's been a policy for a long while, and a

1367
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 7: lot of the experts in this area of the police

1368
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 7: say that too. It is some sort of thrill to

1369
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 7: see your tag on a public thing, so the sooner

1370
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 7: they can get it off, the sooner it has the effect.

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01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 6: The one last thing I wanted to mention today was

1372
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 6: by way of question to both of you, there's this

1373
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 6: idea from Twiggy Forest Andrew Forest late in the deep

1374
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 6: in the paper today around wind farms, he thinks to

1375
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 6: deal with community concerns around having a giant wind turbine

1376
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 6: just down the road from you, there should be more

1377
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 6: and more compensation made available to communities around wind turbines,

1378
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: So within say a ten k radius of wind farms,

1379
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 6: not just if it's on your land or on the

1380
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 6: neighboring land, but if you have to look at it, Yeah, compensation.

1381
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: They're ugly, ugly as.

1382
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 6: That's our money though, that's that's taxpayer dollars.

1383
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 7: Would be going to compensate people.

1384
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 6: It would be hundreds of millions in compensation.

1385
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind the idea as.

1386
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 7: A principle, I don't mind the idea at all. And

1387
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 7: funnily enough, when the government announced it's reprieve on the

1388
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 7: emergency levy, that was in an area where it was

1389
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 7: a very big wind farm area around Baland, and there

1390
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 7: are a lot of local farmers there who either have

1391
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 7: the wind farm on their land or whatever, and there

1392
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 7: they say the compensation they get is really helping them

1393
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 7: throw these tough times, you know, remembering they're in the

1394
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 7: sort of the startup, they.

1395
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 6: Sort of rent their land out. More there is a

1396
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 6: system that comes in.

1397
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 7: They have a whole lot of deals and there's you know,

1398
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 7: all that sort of stuff, so that, I mean, it's

1399
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 7: interesting situation when you're going through a tough time like

1400
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 7: drought and cost of living. We're having that sort of

1401
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 7: stuff for farmers really.

1402
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 6: But I think the most controversial thing is probably the

1403
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 6: transmission lines to all the new transmission lines that are

1404
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 6: going up around the place. The same principle for that,

1405
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 6: if you've got to look at the giant metal tower

1406
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 6: of a transmission thing coming through your land, or looking

1407
01:13:59,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 6: at it.

1408
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 1: About electromagnetic field that can permeate the area too. Apparently,

1409
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: I like best thing that two year. It did brought

1410
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: back Ram Williams from the Chinese fantastic thing i Astralia

1411
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: in Perth.

1412
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 7: I actually went to school with him.

1413
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: Good bloke.

1414
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 7: Well, I said he was a knock about bloke and

1415
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 7: they would never have guessed that he was going to

1416
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 7: be this multi billionaire. Yeah, they said you were very smart,

1417
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 7: good bloke. But I love to beer. Had a great

1418
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 7: time and then you know, whatever, it is twenty thirty

1419
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 7: years on.

1420
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: A lot of some Australia's not about time to buy

1421
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: four to skew medals either, I reckon down to about

1422
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: fifteen point eight.

1423
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 7: You financial advice from Darren.

1424
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 6: James on Boardator of Future Performance again if.

1425
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: You're not out a couple of times though, if you

1426
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: live in Melbourne's northeast, take it on board five to twelve.

1427
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: And apologies on my behalf for that commercial that went

1428
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: to air during that ad break. I don't understand why

1429
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: advertisements of that class right prior to the roast going

1430
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: on for Sunday lunch while we have to listen to

1431
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff on the radio. But anyway, that's

1432
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: my opinion. We're almost there. Up next today, did you

1433
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: can I.

1434
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 6: Ask you a question, Drek? Did you get out of

1435
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 6: bed on the wrong side this morning?

1436
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 7: Might have?

1437
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 6: And just a future reference, Is there anything we can

1438
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 6: do about that?

1439
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: Before I'm in a good mood?

1440
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 6: I mean you need sugar? Do you need food? I

1441
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 6: would probably need an Irish coffee.

1442
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 7: I mean well, I would probably argue anytime you have

1443
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,839
Speaker 7: to get up before five am on a Sunday.

1444
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 6: Is probably he doesn't that for years.

1445
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 7: He's older than he was. He used to do it

1446
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 7: when he was seventeen, that he just called you. Is

1447
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 7: he's way older than.

1448
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 6: I do me a favor. Less grump next week.

1449
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: All right, less grump, more fun, but I'll have fun

1450
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: while I can.

1451
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 7: Grumpy, but he's quite funny when he's grumpy, intentionally funny.

1452
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: Toliver definitely three OUTW Footy Preview with Shane mcinness, Laura

1453
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: spurlways on, Matthew Richardson and Tony Shaw.

1454
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 6: See you, Hi, did you smile for me?

1455
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: Please say as happy as all the gap because I'm

1456
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: going out to a succulent Chinese meal from a son's birthday.

1457
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 7: Happy birthday, Michael.

1458
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: That is democracy manifest. See you guys.

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Speaker 23: F