WEBVTT - Speeding?  Expect a warning before the fine

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<v Speaker 1>Peter, always good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about the story people at getting letters

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<v Speaker 2>in the mail, mysterious speeding letters.

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<v Speaker 1>What is this? Is this a scam? No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>And look it's one of the things the NMA fought

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<v Speaker 3>for was if you're going to introduce a new speed

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<v Speaker 3>camera at a location, you need to notify the community

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<v Speaker 3>and you also need to have a period of sending.

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<v Speaker 4>Out warning letters to people who have driven.

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<v Speaker 3>Past that location and we're speeding because often these cameras

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<v Speaker 3>go into locations that people aren't familiar with. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 3>go into locations where the speed limit has changed, and

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<v Speaker 3>in the case of the trial of four point to

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<v Speaker 3>point or average speed locations, for the first time ever,

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<v Speaker 3>they're turning them on for cars. So what the government

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<v Speaker 3>is doing is exactly what the NRMA told them to do,

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<v Speaker 3>which is when you introduce a new camera to a location,

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<v Speaker 3>let the public know and for a period of time

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<v Speaker 3>and normally it's three months, issue a warning letter.

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<v Speaker 1>As you say, people don't know it's there.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, people don't know what's there.

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<v Speaker 3>So a really good example is the roseland to change,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what some of the media have commented on

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<v Speaker 3>this week. So that's a location in a tunnel, so

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a warning sign in front of the camera.

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<v Speaker 3>It's somewhere in the tunnel. You don't know where, and

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<v Speaker 3>it can be confusing for a lot of drivers. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a new road, it's a new part of the tunnel.

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<v Speaker 3>Some part of it is sixty, some part is ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>The camera is in the sixty part, not the ninety part,

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<v Speaker 3>which you know it opens questions are there, and so

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<v Speaker 3>that's really important that you know, we give people an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to understand that there is new enforcement in the area.

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<v Speaker 4>In some that's a new road.

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<v Speaker 3>In some cases where we've seen they put a camera

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<v Speaker 3>in a road where they change the speed limit and

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<v Speaker 3>thousands and thousands of people are getting fined because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>locals didn't know they changed the speed limit, and we

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to put an end to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and oftentimes you don't know whether or not you're

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<v Speaker 2>actually speeding if you go through the tunnel. A good

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<v Speaker 2>example of that is if you suddenly look down and

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<v Speaker 2>you realize you're five k's over, or in the case

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<v Speaker 2>of the motorbike, if you want to get past someone

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<v Speaker 2>to save your life and you have to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>so you've got to go five k's over the speed limit.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it give you that lee way or was it

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as it's picked you up and you're speeding

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<v Speaker 2>there and then you get yourself the fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, there is some leeway.

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<v Speaker 3>There has to be because a dometer readings are not accurate,

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<v Speaker 3>and the cameras to a millimeter of your life aren't

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<v Speaker 3>accurate either, So there's a disconnect between what your a

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<v Speaker 3>domitter is telling your speed domitter is telling you sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>and what the actual camera is picking up.

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<v Speaker 4>So there will always be some degree of leeway. You

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<v Speaker 4>should never get fined doing sixty one in a sixty zone,

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<v Speaker 4>for example.

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<v Speaker 3>The last thing we need is people focused exclusively putting

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<v Speaker 3>their eyes on the speedometer because they're terrified they're one

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<v Speaker 3>k over the limit. That's not safe for anybody. So

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<v Speaker 3>there is a degree of leeway. I don't think the

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<v Speaker 3>government will actually ever announce how wide that is. But

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<v Speaker 3>what we tell our members and the community is stick

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<v Speaker 3>to the speed limit and as best as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously to the kilometer, and you should be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're in a situation like I mentioned on

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<v Speaker 2>the bike, where you've suddenly got to speed up in

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<v Speaker 2>order not to get caught in an accident?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you use that as a defense in court? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think if it went that.

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<v Speaker 4>Far it'd have to be pretty specific?

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean, what you're talking about is an incident

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<v Speaker 3>where you're about to have an accident where you had

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<v Speaker 3>to speed up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure how often.

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<v Speaker 3>That would happen, and it would all happen right in

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<v Speaker 3>front of the lens of a camera. So I mean

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<v Speaker 3>our advice is, you know, if you're at risk, slow down,

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<v Speaker 3>don't speed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And in New South Wales they've got these speed

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<v Speaker 2>cameras predominantly used for heavy vehicles like trucks and buses,

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<v Speaker 2>but this trial that's underway for regional areas is now

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<v Speaker 2>going to include cars and motor bikes as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the point to point cameras or average speed cameras

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<v Speaker 3>have been rolled out across New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>And used for trucks for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 3>The government is looking to run a trial, or has

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<v Speaker 3>been running a trial in four low locations across regional

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales to apply those cameras to vehicles, to

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<v Speaker 3>cars and to bikes. They have also been issuing warning

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<v Speaker 3>letters to people who drove through those location speedting.

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<v Speaker 4>But that all changes on the first of July.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you go through that location in your speeding

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<v Speaker 3>you will get you'll be fine, You'll get demerit points

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<v Speaker 3>and a monetary fine like you normally would. And the

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<v Speaker 3>way those cameras work is there's a camera at point A,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a camera.

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<v Speaker 4>At point B.

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<v Speaker 3>It works out the average speed between the two, and

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<v Speaker 3>if you cross those two locations faster than you should,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be issued to find Let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask you this quickly, Well, I've got you.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this on air the other night that

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<v Speaker 2>in Adelaide, in some residential areas they're looking at putting

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<v Speaker 2>the speed limits down to forty kilometers an hour in

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<v Speaker 2>some areas and some areas thirty kilometers an hour. And

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about whether reducing the speed in residential

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<v Speaker 2>areas to that speed limit is actually more detrimental, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually going to cause more accidents because you're constantly

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<v Speaker 2>aware looking down at your sphaedomeena, worrying about trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep within the limits.

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<v Speaker 3>And here in lies the challenge, and this is the

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<v Speaker 3>NMAS you on. This has been consistent from day one,

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<v Speaker 3>councils should not be arbitrarily changing speed limits in their

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<v Speaker 3>local area to deem forty k zones or as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>thirty k zones. Even more so, you need a consistent

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<v Speaker 3>approach when it comes to putting speed limits, whether they

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<v Speaker 3>go up or down.

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<v Speaker 4>It needs to be evidence based. It needs to be

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<v Speaker 4>driven by data. And what I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 4>you need.

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<v Speaker 3>To look at the performance of the road the traffic volumes,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's really important because that gives you a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of whether you speed should be sixty or seventy or fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>Keeping in mind skill zones are forty. You need to

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<v Speaker 3>look at the crash history and it needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>done over an extended period of time so that you

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<v Speaker 3>so that the speed is set at the appropriate level

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<v Speaker 3>for the quality of that road. Before you start changing

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<v Speaker 3>speed limits, you should be looking at whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>there are engineering solutions things we can do to make

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<v Speaker 3>the road safer. This arbitrary approach of just randomly dropping

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<v Speaker 3>speed limits in some locations and not others is not

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<v Speaker 3>going to deliver road safety outcomes. What it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>do is create confusion in the community. People, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>start having to guess what the speed limit is in

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<v Speaker 3>the local area, and that's unfortunately the path that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going down. Councils are just slashing speed limits in some locations.

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<v Speaker 3>Some roads are forty, some roads are fifty. You can't

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<v Speaker 3>tell the difference between the two. Some roads that should

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<v Speaker 3>be fifty or sixty have dropped or forty.

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<v Speaker 4>Some roads are really good to drive on, but the

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<v Speaker 4>speed limits just been dropped with no real explanation.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's not what we want. We want consistency when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to speed limits. The decision should be evidence based,

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<v Speaker 3>not arbitrary. And that should apply whether you're putting speed

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<v Speaker 3>limits up or down. And I consistently say up because

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<v Speaker 3>in the case of West Connects the speed limits and

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<v Speaker 3>North Connects the speed limits went up to ninety k

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<v Speaker 3>an hour off the back of a year's analysis.

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<v Speaker 4>To decide whether or not they were safe enough to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be ninety or not eighty. That's the approach we should

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<v Speaker 3>be taking. They're not doing it here, and it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to lead to pour out.

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<v Speaker 2>And also you've got the lack of consistency as well.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think a road is a certain limit and

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<v Speaker 2>in the next day it's changed without any warning. Half

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<v Speaker 2>the time, you don't know, Like you say, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>moving from variable speed limits from one suburb to the next,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to keep up with which speed limit you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to keep too on your regular drive to work.

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<v Speaker 3>The previous government removed warning signs for mobile speed comeras

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<v Speaker 3>they were finding more people than a month than they

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<v Speaker 3>were in a year, and overwhelmingly the feedback we got

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<v Speaker 3>from the public was were guessing the speed limit.

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<v Speaker 4>We we didn't know what.

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<v Speaker 3>The speed They were putting these things in suburban streets

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<v Speaker 3>where people were either lived there for years and just

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<v Speaker 3>thought the speed limit was what it was, or in

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<v Speaker 3>areas where the speed limits had been adjusted and the

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<v Speaker 3>cameras were just dropped in without any warning people. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't want drivers guessing the speed limit, and the more

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<v Speaker 3>we change speed limits, the more it's the more arbitrary

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<v Speaker 3>it becomes, where each council just chooses to put whatever

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<v Speaker 3>speeds they want in their own LGA. With the inconsistency

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<v Speaker 3>causes confusion. Confusion CAUs is both unsafety and also you

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<v Speaker 3>lose support for the enforcement program because it feels like

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<v Speaker 3>they're just finding you in areas where they can