WEBVTT - Afternoons with Michael McLaren - Friday, June 20th 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:07.360 On two GV at network stations. This is Afternoons with 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:08.400 Michael McLaren. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:11.719 Well it is, and thank you for being with us. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.920 It is ten past twelve on this Friday afternoon, June twenty, 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.680 twenty twenty five. Hope you're well. One three one eight 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.960 seven three the open line number, of course, can send 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.239 me a text at any points ro for six zero 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.799 eight seven three eight seven three, and there is always 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.640 the email two GB dot com. Click on the feedback icon. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.960 As you can probably tell by the voice, I'm not 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.280 one hundred percent, but we're here. A big thank you 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.240 to Bill for filling in over the last couple of days, 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.240 and it was it was quite a difficult couple of 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:43.280 days for our family. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.520 We lost a dear uncle. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.879 And I was thereby his side at the moment that 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.760 he passed, which was I suppose. I'm very grateful for 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.960 having that opportunity to be there, but it did happen 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.920 a little more suddenly than we expected, and so as 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.160 the family, we've had to obviously, as you do in 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.800 these circumstances, rarely around and organize some of the arrangements 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:07.520 and all the rest of it. Hence my absence the 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.920 last couple of days, but nice to be back with 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.800 you today and let's get the show on the road 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:14.960 between now and three o'clock. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.240 It will be busy. It will be busy. A lot is. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.080 Happening, not just at home, but of course around the world. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.000 And Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, was speaking earlier in Adelaide. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.560 I think about the situation with Iran. The Australian embassy 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.120 in Tehran has closed. Australians who are there, I think 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.240 being told if you can get to Azerbaijan. I think 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.399 that's the information, if I'm not mistaken. Similarly, Australians in 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.880 Israel are about twelve hundred of which have registered that 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.440 they want to leave. Things are in place to try 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.280 to make that happen, but it's very, very difficult because 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.320 airspace is closed, missiles continue to rain down at both ends, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.200 and it's going to be tough getting everybody out, there's 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:58.080 no doubt about that. But leaving that issue aside, there's 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.840 a lot to get through. I will later this hour 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.440 go back to this issue that got a lot of 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:08.720 conversation last year midyear, and that is Australia's push for 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:13.400 age verification technology for the under sixteens. When it comes 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.120 to social media. Effectively, we want a ban under sixteen 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.600 year olds getting access to social media. Now, I mean 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.600 I have some sympathy with that because I don't see 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.040 a lot of this as social media, as you know, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.799 I see it as anti social media. And when you're young, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.760 you don't have the tools at your disposal to be 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.680 able to decipher the good from the bad, to work 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.640 your way through the bullying and everything else which is 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.320 just so rife in these particular formats. And there's no 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.640 doubt that the proprietors of these bits of technology are 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.560 not doing enough. But maybe that's not in their business 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.560 interest to do enough. That's cynical, but I suspect that's true. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.160 But now that the band will come in, and I 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.120 think December is when this kicks in, there are significant 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.840 questions about whether it will work. I believe some trials 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.120 are showing some positive results, but I'll speak later to 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:03.600 Dr Daniel Einstein. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:04.240 Now. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:09.400 Daniel is a clinical psychologist and adjunct fellow at mcquarr University, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.600 and she's making the point that we need to do 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.200 more than just have the ban. The ban in and 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.239 of itself won't solve the problem, and there are problems. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.880 We need a more holistic approach and so that is 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.000 something that we're going to have to look at and 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.240 I'll do that with doctor Daniel Einstein Rodney Fox after 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.560 one o'clock. Now, this is an extraordinary Australian Rodney Fox. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.720 He's a filmmaker, conservationist, he's a shark expert. And the 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.120 reason we i' speaking it to Rodney is today marks 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.000 fifty years since the release of the movie Jaws. Now, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.480 I would challenge anybody to come up with a movie 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.520 title that has had more impact on people's lived experience 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.560 than Jaws. I mean, when you think about it, a 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.120 lot of people knew about sharks prior to Jaws and 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:02.160 were cautious. We had shark nets, people weren't crazy. But 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:07.200 this almost pathological fear of sharks which seems to pervade 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.480 a lot of society today. I think you can probably 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.800 trace it to Jaws. You know, the iconic music, the scenes, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.600 will play some of them later on. But I mean, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.960 in your lifetime, has there been a movie that's had 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.920 a bigger impact on the way you live than Jaws? 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.920 I mean, Gladiated clearly didn't. So I mean, what could 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.479 it have been? One three, one, eight seven three. Maybe 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.760 there's a horror movie, so I don't know. But as 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.080 far as the sort of fictional story, and it's fiction, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.440 let's be honest. But as far as these fictional stories 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.680 are concerned, Jaws just seeped into the published public consciousness 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.680 and scared them crikey out of a couple of generations 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.719 of people. And I think it was the first movie 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.719 to go of one hundred million US of the box office. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.160 It broke all of these records. It really was. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.760 It was being laughed at at one point, and Spielberg 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.680 was very young at the time, so no, I reckon. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.599 This is a goer stuck with it, and of course 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.880 it basically made his career. But Rodney Fox was instrumental 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.760 in the movie, and I'll speak to him about fifty 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.719 years of Jaws and the impact particularly that's had on 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.839 our relationship with the shark. Later in the program, Alice 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.719 will be here from Demand with the real estate segment 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.280 for Friday Food. I'll be speaking to a legend of 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.960 the local industry. He's about to retire. As we announced 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.839 last week, Rudy Deats, the owner of Stuyversant's house. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:22.280 It's going on the market. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.680 Next week and so I'll be speaking to Rudy after 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.440 two o'clock. He's a lot of fun Rudy. If you've 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.880 ever been to Stuyvesant House, he's a fun guy. So 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.720 we'll be speaking to him and anything else that comes up. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.320 Of course, we've got the wind wheel. We want to 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.120 give away another twenty five hundred dollars. I think was 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:38.560 it huge Hole that's spun it for Bill? 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.680 Or was Bill Bah? It was? 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.400 You knows Bill, magic fingers Bill. We might need to 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.200 get Bill back to get some more money away today. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.440 Twenty five hundred went off on Wednesday, I think. So 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.600 we'll see how we go between now and three. Stay 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:57.760 with us one three one eight seven three. I just 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.640 see that Superintendent Adam Drew breeses phone through with a 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.880 potential gas leak at Fairfield. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.280 Adam, what's the latest. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.000 There, good old Michael. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.080 It's at Fairfield High Now. The school's implemented it's a 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.200 self evacuation plan. We have a strong smell of gas. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.840 All their students are safe. They have I related themselves 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.320 in an open area the school. We've got a gas leak. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.640 We've turned off the gas supply, we've turned off all 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.120 the electricity, so there can be no ignition if there 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.880 is an actual gas in and around that odor, which 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.599 we think there is, but fire risking your South Wales 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.840 is onseene and we'll render that site safe for a 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.159 good call from the school to get us out there early, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.760 just to make sure that we don't have a major 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:39.719 incident out there. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.520 Okay, wonderful, Thank you for the update, Adam. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.440 Of course, if you're seeing some fire trucks and whatever 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.159 around Fairfield High that's why there's a potential gas leak 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.360 there and the authorities are all over it. We'll keep 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:50.840 you up to date with that one three one eight 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:58.760 seven three where it is seventeen minutes past twelve. Well, look, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.039 while the world is focused on the unfolding events in 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.920 the Middle East, the United Kingdom is focused on a 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.479 very different story, and it's one that's going to force 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.200 those isles to ask and answer some very tough questions. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:12.800 For years. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.040 In fact, for the better part of the early twenty 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.600 and twenty tens, suspicions swirled around many Northern English towns 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.960 that young girls were being abused in very large numbers 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.120 by what the British called men of Asian background, now 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.200 to be Pacific, the finger was often pointed to men 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.160 of Pakistani heritage, but at almost every turn it seemed 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.440 as though the institutions that ought to investigate such suspicions 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.680 failed in their duty, especially some local councils. And as 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.920 a report just released by Baroness Casey has found, the 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.400 reason why so many failed in their duty was out 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.680 of a fear of igniting community tensions. Now, as the 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.440 report says and I quote, despite reviews, reports and inquiries 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.720 raising questions about men of asion or Pakistani backgrounds grooming 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.160 and sexually exploiting young white girls, the system has consistently 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.360 failed to fully acknowledge this or collect accurate data so 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:17.640 it can be examined effectively. And here's the key sentence quote. Instead, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:22.280 flawed data is used repeatedly to dismiss claims about Asian 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:28.200 grooming gangs as sensationalized, biased, or untrue. In other words, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.720 the establishment went out of its way to protect a 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:35.560 mirage of social cohesion rather than to protect vulnerable girls. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.920 And this despite, as Guy Dampier at the UK Telegraph says, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.520 the racially driven rape of hundreds, perhaps thousands of mainly 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:49.480 white girls being the worst hate crime in modern Britain. Now, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.000 as he went on to write the other day, the 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.480 inquiry or in inquiry after inquiry, it was revealed that 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.920 the authorities had failed to prevent the crimes, often over 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.240 fears of racism. But rfial investigators and investigations have not 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.199 probed the. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:05.679 Core of the issue. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.840 Now there lies the ultimate question, and an announced national 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:15.200 inquiry must answer this, and that is why did so 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.640 many in a position of authority choose not to pursue 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:23.280 justice in these cases? Why did the seemingly why did 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.600 they rather seemingly turn a blind eye or downplay the 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.440 alleged racial element to the offending. Of course, many are 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.840 right to question whether such a lack of curiosity would 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.600 have prevailed if there were suspicions of gangs of white 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.480 men deliberately targeting girls of a different ancestry. Now, Britain's 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.880 Prime Minister said Kiss Starmer has been forced to backtrack 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.679 in and call a national inquiry into all of this. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.760 But as many have said, the terms of the inquiry 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.440 are going to be the key. Again, as Guy Dampier says, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.600 it needs to look at the role of anti white 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.280 racism among some ethnic minority groups and the role played 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.920 by anti racist ideology in the failings of the authorities, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.320 because you know, it's hard to escape the conclusion that 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.400 decades of this anti colonial critical race theory in doctrination 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.240 at the highest levels has played a bit of a 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.280 role in all of this. There's obsession with social cohesion 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.800 at all costs, certain questions now being off limits, certain 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.080 thoughts actively discouraged, all of this culminating in an institutional 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:28.079 default position that's petrified of probing the truth if it 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.440 might be uncomfortable. In other words, the deepest and hardest 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.040 line of inquiry. It's not going to be about the 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.920 racial origins of the alleged perpetrators, although that must be 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.319 the foundation of the inquiry, but it's going to be 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.280 about the failings of the authorities, because it's as if 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.360 they didn't want to know. As Baroness Casey's report made clear, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.880 flawed data had been repeatedly used to dismiss claims about 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.640 Asian grooming gangs. Indeed, as the report said, and I quote, 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.480 the ethnicity of perpetrators is shied away from and is 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:04.200 still all not recorded for two thirds of perpetrators. So 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.240 we're unable to provide any accurate assessment from nationally collected data, 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.839 despite there having been enough convictions across the country of 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.119 groups of men of Asian ethnic backgrounds to have warranted 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:21.000 closer examination. Now, as I said earlier, this story is 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.960 a massive scandal to date, I think I'm right in 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.160 saying that no police officer, no council staffer, and no 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.720 politicians certainly have gone to jail for their lack of 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.160 interest in the true nature of what was going on 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.000 across the UK. 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:34.880 But they should. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.760 They should go to jail, as Baroness Casey said, instead 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.600 of examination, the British instead witnessed obfuscation, and whilst that 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.840 happened year after year, hundreds of girls' lives were shaken 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.439 to the core, many of them sadly preyed upon from 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.240 within institutional care. Now I know all of this concerns 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.000 matters in Britain, and Britain's a very long way from Australia. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:01.640 But Australia too must learn from this outagege and pledged 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.560 to never allow such politically motivated, deliberate and institutional ignorance 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.440 to permeate our body politic because if the boffins think 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.800 precious social cohesion will be damaged, if certain racial data 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.680 is released, even when it's integral to the situation at hand. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.280 They better be prepared for the absolute collapse of social 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.560 cohesion if they try to cover it up, but then 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:31.480 the truth gets out. Twenty almost twenty six minutes past twelve. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.920 Got to be back with you. Thank you for your company. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.000 Nice day again outside. It's been cold, but it's been 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.120 very sort of blue skies and very pleasant, hasn't it? 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.760 One three one eight seventy three? On Jaws, this person 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.560 here says, sensational movie. Perhaps why we've got the drum 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.559 lines and the shark nets. Anyway, the Exorcist scared the 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.040 Jesus out of my generation and created a fear of 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.000 seances and trying to talk to the other side with 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:56.120 the spirit board. I wonder how many people partake in seancess. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.480 I mean, I know John Stanley has one somewhere here, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.000 but other than John, I don't know anyone who's been 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.839 in a seans lately. Michael says Jaws famous tune. It's 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.439 my ring tone and it sounds funny on my houseboat. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.280 I better that good point, Thank you, Michael. Now, the 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.120 situation in Spain, remember when Spain and Portugal had that 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.000 complete blackout across the Iberian peninsula. It was a massive 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.120 story and ever since we've been waiting for the official 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:23.760 reason as to what happened. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.080 Well we've got it. I don't know if anyone. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.920 Believes it, but as the BBC reports, the Spanish government 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.640 have said that the national grid operator and private power 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.280 generation companies were the ones to blame for that energy blackout, 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.599 the one that caused widespread chaos in Spain and Portugal 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:45.439 on April twenty eighth. In the immediate aftermath, the government 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.480 didn't provide an explanation. Instead, they called for patients as 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:55.480 they investigated. Now, they seemed to continually call for patients 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.679 because people said, well, surely you know what's happened. One 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.280 minute the lights are on, the next minute the lights 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.120 are off. I mean, with all the technology built into 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.360 a national and internationally connected grid, and they are connected 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:10.240 to France and elsewhere, you would have sensory readings pretty 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.280 quickly as to what went wrong and where, and you'd 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.719 rectify it and it won't happen again. Well, no, I mean, 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.120 what is it two months or so we waited for 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.480 the official explanation. Now that gives everyone's suspicion that they 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.800 were simply doctoring up some excuse anyway. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:26.960 The finding was this. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:34.520 That the partly state owned grid operator read Electrica, had 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.960 miscalculated the power capacity needs for that particular day, April 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.640 the twenty eighth, and the female minister said that the 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:49.120 system did not have enough dynamic voltage capacity. She said 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.680 that the regulator should have switched on another thermal plant, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.440 but they made the calculation and decided it wasn't necessary. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.320 She also blamed private generators for failing to regulate the 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.200 grid's vaulty shortly before the blackout happened. Now it's interesting 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.600 that the minister that's been put forward to explain all 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:12.920 of these very technical and engineering physics based issues isn't 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.800 the energy minister. It isn't the science minister. It's the 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:23.960 Minister for Ecological Transition, right Hello, So they're not going 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.560 to blame anything to do with the renewable rollout of 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.480 the grid which has been rushed in Spain. They're rolling 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:35.320 this stuff out, pulling nuclear out prematurely, without having the 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.960 engineering capacity to ensure that the grid remains viable. Now 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.360 I share all of that because I don't necessarily believe 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.760 the fighting that's official fighting and okay, because a couple 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.200 of weeks ago I s sheard with you part of a 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.880 story by Ambrose Evans Pritchett. Now he's a UK journalist, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.320 he's pretty well switched in and as he said, even 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.320 back then, the stench of a cover up hangs over 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.240 Spain's giant blackout, the worst electricity failure in there. He 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.120 developed country in modern times. Now, I just before I 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.680 go on, I make this point, Ambrose Evans Pritchard is 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:06.920 a big renewables advocate. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:08.160 He's not old King. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.600 Cole, and he's in favor of the renewable rollout. So 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.600 he's not here to say, oh, look this is what 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.200 you get when you put turbines in the grid. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:16.440 That's not his position. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.760 But as he says, the socialist governor Pedro Sanchez is 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.320 trying to buy time with explanations that either make no 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.800 technical sense or veer into absurdity. Red Electrica, which runs 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.560 the grid, the mob that the government blamed is accused 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.640 of stonewalling. You said everybody, and this is the kicker, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.160 he says. Sources in Brussels have told the Telegraph that 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:41.120 the authorities, the Spanish authorities, were conducting an experiment before 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.040 the system crashed. What was that experiment? Well, it was 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.840 probing how far they could push reliance on renewables in 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.160 preparation for Spain's rushed phase out of nuclear reactors by 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.560 twenty twenty seven. As he said, one's reminded of the 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.920 Chernobyl melt down in eighty six. I mean that all 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:03.680 came about because they were running an experiment. And it 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.320 might well be that they were running this capacity experiment 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.880 and they got the result. And if the result were 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.080 public that the grid is just not ready for no 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.760 nuclear and only renewables or whatever they want by twenty 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.679 twenty seven, that the government that has advocated this for 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.280 years would collapse because the public would say, well, you're 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.080 going to destroy our economy in our wave of life. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.399 We're gonna have the first world economy without power. You 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.760 guys got to go. So I don't know what the 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.080 truth is in Spain, but I suspect it's not the 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.080 official line from the government. Not that I'm a betting man, 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.440 but I reckon the odds on that actually being factor 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.959 will be pretty long one three, one eight seven, three. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:45.520 Good Mal. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.119 There you go with them, Michael, you're talking about jaws. Yes, 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.160 back in seventy nine, we did a tour of Universal studios, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.359 and you have on your little train, your half a 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.800 dozen carriages been turned around by a little tractor thing, 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.879 and go for a tour around the block. And at 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.119 one stage a game, you come up this larger body 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.359 of water with suddenly parts like most are doing the 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.600 red sleet. And when you're halfway through the study, the 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.880 trains hard lurks to the left, and then the hand 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.920 side just picked up just as the shark came out 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.080 of the water. And needless to say, there are quite 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:27.679 a few people had very relaxed internal muscles after that. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.439 Yes, I think I follow you. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.760 Yes, I'm trying to be discrete. You're here now. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.360 You've been very discreet. I think you've been very medical. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.760 I mean it's extraordinary, isn't it the impact that this 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:40.840 movie has had, isn't it? Now? 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.000 Yes, yeah, there's a good movie. As the noises. As 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:50.200 that previous caller said, it's a great ring tone. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:51.480 It is. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.800 I haven't put it on my phone yet, but maybe 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.960 after today's chat. I will good on your mouth. Thank 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:00.960 you, you drive safely. It's twenty seven minutes to one. It's 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.280 twenty four minutes to one. Good to have you there 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.240 with us one three one eight seven three the open 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.160 line number if you want to lob something in keep 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.120 the text coming as well. Plenty of those zero four six, 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.320 zero eight seven three eight seven three. I said earlier, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.080 I want to go back to this issue of the 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.159 under sixteens being banned from social media. Now it's been 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.919 announced that Australia has been given the green light to 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.760 use age verification technology. That's part of this new social 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.200 media ban for the children under sixteen. It's all part 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.760 of the crackdown on social media companies that the Prime 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.160 Minister announced last November, and it includes that world first 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.200 initiative to ban those under the age of sixteen from 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.800 using social media platforms the Facebook's Instagram, snapchats, tiktoks of 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:46.760 this world. So a trial of the age verification technology 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.399 has reportedly deemed it ready for use, and the trial 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.639 has determined that it will be private, robust and effective. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.639 Now I'm not so sure, but I'm a cynic by nature, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.440 But you know, I think you've got to remember the kids, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.760 the sixteen year old's, fifteen year olds or whatever. They've 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.399 been raised on technology in the way that you or 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.399 I might have been raised on books. They're technology natives, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.399 digital natives, and they're going to find a loopole, I 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.280 would imagine. Now that's not me saying we shouldn't try 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.520 to protect them from social media, but I don't think 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.200 it's going to be easy to do. But whether the 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.000 band at the age of sixteen is going to work 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.560 or not, whether the age at sixteen's appropriate or too 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.439 high or too low, I mean, all these debates can 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.640 be had. But as Dr Daniel Einstein, who's a clinical 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.159 psychologist n adjunct fellow at mcae University, points out, the 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.600 band will almost count for nothing unless we. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.280 Have urgent digital reforms that complement it. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.359 And that's something that I think to date has almost 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.080 been lacking in the discussion. There's been a lot of 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.840 focus on the ban world first and all this sort 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.240 of stuff, or how's it going to work? Or could 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.240 it work? Should it work? Is it a trojan horse? 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.240 But what about the broader story here? Well that's what 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:57.639 I want to speak to her about, and she's with 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.600 me on the line, Doctor Daniel Einstein. 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.320 Good afternoon, Hi Michael. 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:03.800 We have done a lot of focus on the ban 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.520 it's the headline grab or I get that but as 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.639 you say, the ecosystem that it's meant to support or 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.160 that it fits into, we don't discuss. 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:12.400 That as much. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.320 That's right, that's right. We need education out there funded 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:21.680 by the government that changes our understanding of our addictive 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.680 use of social media and that will help the students 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.320 and the parents themselves. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.879 Okay, how do we address addiction in this sense? I 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.399 mean when it comes to cigarettes, apparently we just tax 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.760 it to oblivion. We're seeing how that's working now. But 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:41.040 with digital technology you can't do that. So how do 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:41.679 we approach that? 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.520 Well, we just need to understand it, because if we 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.400 understand how we're pulled in, we'll make a few changes 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.200 and those changes will help all of us. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.639 Okay, understand it, though in what sense the algorithms that 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.119 are applied behind the scenes or what. 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.840 No, it's really about understanding what happens with. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.520 That addictive pool. So if you walk in the front 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:08.439 door of your home and you automatically you kind of 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.240 might be very used to pulling out your phone in 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.639 that moment and having a look, does someone want me? 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.520 Does someone need me? Is there a great message waiting 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.800 for me? On that post I posted this morning? And 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.560 someone posting about a topic that I really care about. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.760 If every time you walk in the door you look 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.720 at that, you just get used to doing that, and 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.800 in fact what happens is we get a bit of dopamine. 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:33.840 It comes out because you go, oh, I wonder if 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.359 there's something there. I just wonder, maybe there's something good. 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.440 And what's going on beneath. 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.440 The surface is that we're all slightly. 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:45.960 Addicted and wanting that little hit, and it's become associated 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.320 with where we are and what we're doing, and it 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.600 gets brought on by the location we're in because we've 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.240 just let it happen, or looking at our phone or 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.600 our computer or our iPad. So it's that that's the 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.440 bit of education I want out for the whole community, 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:05.160 for parents, the educators, for doctors, and for the students themselves, 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.040 because once the students recognize it, they'll put limits in 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:09.760 themselves as well that. 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.639 You think they will, they'll limit themselves. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.760 Yeah. No one wants to be have their attention all 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:22.159 the time taken up by an online community and unable 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.760 in fact to appreciate the world around them, the relationships 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.480 in their own family, their own real life friendships. People 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.119 want to care for people around them, I think genuinely. 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:33.919 Okay, you made the point that it was speaking here 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.920 of addiction in this sense that it's twin brother is anxiety. 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.960 So I think from that you're inferring that if one 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:47.080 is unable to access digital services willy nilly, they will 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:49.480 be anxious that I don't know they're missing out or 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.520 they're not in loop, or that something's and so it's 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:54.480 trying to address both of those simultaneously. 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.639 Yeah, that's the big picture. What you've just said is 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.480 that is the big picture version of anxiety, Like am 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:01.840 I fine without my phone? 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:03.600 But the small. 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.000 Picture is actually the way we worry. The fact that 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.760 just because I see my phone on my computer, I 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.120 think about something that's important to me and I want 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.680 to grab it and see if there's a problem there 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.240 or if I've nailed it with something I've done this morning. 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.639 So I might want to get off this phone and 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.320 go did I do well with this interview? Has anyone 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.560 sent me a text to say, Danielle, that was a 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:29.240 great interview, and because it's important to me, I'm going 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.040 to reach for my phone and urgently want to nail 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.520 it right. Or if there's a problem with my child 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.000 I urgently want to see that my child is okay. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.040 But that's how it feeds into anxiety. It's actually just 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.840 the worry that's brought on that I can quickly stamp out. 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:50.679 I can stamp out uncertainty, okay, And uncertainty is it 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.399 drives us like uncertainty both in positive and negative situations, 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:55.640 makes us more emotional. 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.440 That's the official psychological point of view that you're presenting. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.119 Understand that I'm just the radio guy, but I'm thinking 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.720 if the technology is there, and yet that is the 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:11.320 human inbuilt psychological predisposition. How are people going to self regulate? 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:15.359 Well, that's where conditioning comes in. Sorry to get technical again, 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.159 but that's where if you understand the addictive pool, you 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.600 just put better practices in for yourself. So when you 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.000 walk in the door, you put your computer down in 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.480 a set location in the house, or your phone down 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.280 in a set spot where it's not in view all 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.359 the time, and that way you've got you get better 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.120 digital habits. Some people have good digital habits already. Those 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:41.399 people don't need to make changes, but many, many in 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.920 the community do not have good digital habits because we 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.119 just haven't caught out this addictive pool. 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.439 I'd say more than many. I said the vast majority. 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.439 I mean, if I take public transport, I'm often the 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.240 only one that isn't staring at a phone. If you 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.520 go to a food court at say your local Westfields, 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.560 most people would be completely oblivious of what was happening 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.560 behind them because they're scrolling on some ridiculous social media thing, 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.639 looking at garbage while they eat. People are just hooked 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.679 on this. So I mean, and that's the adults, let 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:08.399 alone the kids. 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:09.720 That's fat, Michael. 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:11.880 But that's where you can make a deliberate. 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:14.240 Decision to change if you recognize. 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.320 That it's addictive to start with. But if we pretend 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.960 that it's not addictive and we don't just call it out, 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.040 which is what I'd like the government to do. I 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:29.280 want the government to educate both clinicians like doctors, pediatricians, psychologists, 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:34.240 researchers so that people are feel comfortable talking about it. 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.000 If a client or a patient comes in with anxiety, 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.920 we need to ask them, oh, let's have a look 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.639 at what's going on. How many hours did you spend 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.040 on your phone yesterday or on your computer. Let's just 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:47.359 have a look like a little digital health chair, not 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.000 to be in basics, It's not to be intrusive of 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.719 what they're doing. It's just to acknowledge that this stops 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.040 them getting better if they have anxiety. 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.359 Okay, I think that's smart. Yeah, that's smart. 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.640 Okay, education, I know one of the things you really 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.280 want to do is launch a national digital health campaign 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:06.800 and look at this through a health prism, and I 0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.240 concur with that. But let me just ask you with 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.720 your psychological expertise, because you know, I mean, you helped 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.000 inform government with this sixteen band and the rest of 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.840 you are part of all of that. So what is 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.159 it about us psychologically that makes us gravitate to this? 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.159 Because you know, my parents' generation, my grandparents general, they 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.679 didn't have this. They didn't have phones and smartphones on 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.080 the internet, so they had to occupy their time some 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.960 other way, and heaven forbid, occasionally maybe they were bored, 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.240 which I don't think is such a bad thing. But 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.720 these days, we've always got to be fiddling and doing 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:40.280 something and being constantly reinforced that we're liked and popular, 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.359 And does that say something about us as a society today. 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:46.800 It's just easy for us to get hooked on it 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:50.760 that actually speaks to the technology companies themselves. Right, they 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.280 have analyzed you in psychology and they use it to 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.400 pull us in and hold us. And unfortunately, in under 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:03.040 sixteens it's very bad for their emotional development. They're socializing 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.120 in real life, their social skills. If they've got any vulnerabilities, 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.120 they're going to get a lot worse. But in real terms, 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.720 for you, Michael, and for the audience, it's just the 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.239 fact that of course we want connection. Of course we 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.600 want to be liked. Of Course it makes us feel 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:18.719 good if someone says something nice to us, or if 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:19.720 we're needed. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.840 And so of course we're going to want that. 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.639 If they're easy hits, it's easier than putting effort into 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.000 working hard at something and then say a child at 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.080 school work has to work hard at their English and 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:32.640 then they get. 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:34.679 A good result. It's much more effortful. 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.120 But if we want to build children's competence in putting 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.640 effort in and learning that there are no quick, easy 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:45.040 fixes and that their parents can't get the results for them, 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:45.680 that they've. 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.360 Got to put the work in themselves. 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.920 We've got to take away and or not take away, 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.120 but just only gradually introduce these cheap hits that make 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.040 us feel good in the moment, the sugar hits. 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.320 Yeah, okay. Just finally, as we're speaking, is you're saying 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:02.200 that if. 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:07.040 We don't do all of this, the background work, which 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:10.320 is the cause of really the tip of the iceberg, 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.040 which is the under sixteens band, if we don't do that, 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:14.600 the under sixteens band will fail. 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.320 That's what you're saying. Essentially, isn't it way to achieve 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:17.840 its purpose? 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:18.280 No? 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:20.440 I think part of the purpose is just to get 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.880 the tech companies to set up, to step up for 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:25.960 them to have skin in the game. So as long 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.880 as as long as we stick with that legislation, they 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:30.640 have to have skin in the game. But I would 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.400 like the public to support it and to know that 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.400 parents feel solid, and that students themselves who have said 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.000 that they want this, they've actually you know, a lot 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.600 of seventeen eighteen year olds look back and say, I 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:46.440 don't want my younger brother or sister on social media. So, 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.640 you know, young people themselves feel that this is a 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.360 healthy step forward, and I just would like the whole 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.640 community to understand that we can safely do this and 0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:01.080 to support support a change in norms. We've already started that. 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.120 We already started the changing norms by introducing the legislation. 0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.000 Now we need more, We need more education, and we 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.360 need the health everyone in health to get on board. 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.080 And I just don't want to hear negative messages coming 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.600 from those who might be invested. Maybe Michael in not 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.840 having a successful change in our community. 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.840 Well, yes, heaven forbid, there could be those people involved. Yes, 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.320 wouldn't surprise me. Thank you for your time, Daniel, appreciate it. 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:28.920 Yeah, thanks for having me. 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.040 All the best, doctor Daniel Einstein, clinical psychologists there. It's 0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.640 an interesting conversation. I look, perhaps Daniel's a little more 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:40.320 glass half full than me. I just suspect, well, look, 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.920 I was about to tell I suspect the addictions baked in. 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.680 But there again. I mean, people said that about. 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.480 Alcohol use in the nineteen eighties and nineties, and look 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.360 at the young people today. They're not drinking as much 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:55.280 as they used to. They're putting other things in their bodies, 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.080 but the alcohol consumption of a lot of young people 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:02.520 is down. There's a trend from alcohol. So maybe in 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:07.000 time there will be a trend away from this insane 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:12.840 incessant scrolling on social media. I mean my anecdotally, I 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.280 find the lonely people tend to do it more than 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.640 those that have a lot of friends and are occupied 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.080 and have a good job and are you otherwise busy. 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:22.959 There seems to be Again it's just anecdotal, but there 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:27.920 seems to be a bit of searching for a community 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.320 among some and if they can't get it in the 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.160 sort of terrestrial sense, they go online to try and 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.440 find it there. That's sad, but that's what I've observed. 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.160 But there's always exceptions in this case, I think many 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:40.960 to the rule. But when you've got the young kids 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.760 and they can't really decide, I mean, their friends are 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.960 doing this. This is sort of as soon as the 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.000 school bell goes and they're at home, that sort of 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.640 or just carries on in the online realm and without 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.479 the adult supervision, bad things happen and we know that. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.120 But I just don't know how you're going to break 0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.080 that relationship between the young people. Particularly in the technology 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.880 smart phones, the problem is to people using them are 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:05.240 smart phone might be smart the user is That's that's 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:09.360 the issue. One three, one, eight seven three. Thank you 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.720 for all the feedback. Elizabeth says, it's just about maturity 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:13.880 and the brain isn't mature until you're in your mid thirties, 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:17.480 which I think is very true. Another note here from 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.720 Dayton who says you can't stop TikTok and once users 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:22.560 get dumb to that, they then move on to Reddit 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.520 or Telegram and so on and so forth. 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.240 Rod, good afternoon, Yeah, good afternoon. 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.520 Look, I've got it, not a different point. I've got 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.960 two points now. Because I listened to your conversation. I 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.640 think you're more on the money than she is. It 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:44.760 is about community, and she was suggesting that you don't 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.320 like to be without community. But what I'm saying is 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:53.560 it's become a substitute community. There's less rules and personal 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.720 demands on you to be part of it. You've got 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.880 it in the back of your head. You're safe in it. 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:00.840 You've got it in the back of your head. You 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.880 can ignore it if you need to ignore it. And 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.800 that's how it's sucks. If you're in control, you're not 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.760 the other side of it is all this education that 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.040 I've got good, I've got good habits. They're people who 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.840 aren't addicted. If you've got good habits, you're not addicted. 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:23.160 And everything that we do light the war on drugs, 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.320 which at educating and holding hands, and then we end 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.800 up going, okay, we'll get rid of the laws on 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.200 drugs and that way the problem goes away. Now, my 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:39.880 other point is that this is insidious. They're not genuinely 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.760 trying to help our kids. It's even if they bring 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.680 it in, it doesn't stop you getting onto porn sites, 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.560 doesn't stop you getting onto other adult sites that have 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:54.520 their own chat rooms. And how do you get on 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.520 You have to prove that you're over sixteen, don't you mate? 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.320 So so do I? So does every adult? 0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:01.720 Yes? 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.640 Yes, So they're collecting all our information, and when they 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.360 say that they're going to bring in optics and facial recognition, 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.200 they're going to know everything about everybody. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.400 That's yes, And that's a genuine concern. I share that concern. 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:18.120 A number of proop thank you Rod for raising it. 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:19.960 A number of people on the text said, okay, well, look, 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.680 you know, we're sort of saving the house, but will 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:23.640 burn the village down in the. 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:24.560 Process, so to speak. 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.759 You know, we'll protect the under sixteens by attempting this 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.200 age verification, but of course that means everyone sixteen up 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.879 still has to prove their bona fides. And so that's 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.400 all in some respects harvested now you know, I mean 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.000 data is harvested all the time. 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.520 It's what you do with it that matters. 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.040 But I don't think too many people trust either government 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.160 or indeed tech companies to hold all of that data 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:46.600 in our best interests. 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:48.879 Thank you, rod Sev? Quickly, Hi Sev? 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:50.480 Can I mate? 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:51.400 Yeah, very quickly. 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.160 Look that conversation, matage, occasion, all the rest of it. Well, 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:59.040 how do you change habits when every aspect of your 0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:03.480 life is online and he's digital versus the generations of 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.160 our parents and our grandparents, where, for instance, if you 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.920 wanted to go and speak to the bank manager about. 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:09.960 A loan, who knows that? 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:11.879 Now, oh wait, we can't do that because there's barely 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:12.759 any branches left. 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:14.600 How does that even work? 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:16.839 Well, that's another vavle of point good on you see 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.640 that broadly, forget the under sixteens. Broadly everything is being 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.759 forced by government and business online everything because they don't 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:26.200 want bricks and mortar stores and they don't want to 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:29.520 pay human wages. And listen, everything's going online and AI 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:30.000 and digital. 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.240 OK. Five, maybe it's going to be more productive. 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.799 I don't know, but that is the thrust, and so 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.840 we're sort of incubating this mindset, this system where the 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.560 world is going to be digitized. Then a bit of 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.239 a stretch to say to the young ones, Oh yeah, 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.439 but on all these sites, No, don't go there, pull 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.279 back age verification sort of, it doesn't all fit together. 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:50.120 Okay, stay with us. 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.439 News is next, and then fifty years since Jaws will look. 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:54.359 At that straight after this. 0:35:54.719 --> 0:36:01.319 Now on TGB and network stations. 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So if you want that, just 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.319 get in touch one three one eight seven three and 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:45.800 we'll do that in the weeks ahead. 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:48.160 But before we do. 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.320 All of that, as I said, I wanted to reflect 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.640 on fifty years of movie history today because it was 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.440 on this day in nineteen seventy five some of you 0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:00.080 may have been. 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:22.320 There that Jaws was released in US cinemas the iconic soundtrack. 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:23.879 I mean, you know it anywhere you hear that. 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:29.160 Jaws and Steven Spielberg's blockbuster completely changed the film industry. 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.440 It was the first movie to earn one hundred million 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.560 US at the United States box office, and some would 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:39.120 argue even revolutionize the way that music was used to 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.640 create tension or emotion for audiences in the movies. But 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.040 the film received Academy Awards I think for sound editing. 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.600 It might have even been for the music. But aside 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:52.200 from all of those accolades, Jaws, perhaps more than any 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:56.160 other film before, it was able to change attitudes. 0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:56.319 Now. 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.040 At the time, a lot of people watched Jaws and 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:00.360 as you can appreciate. 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:01.680 Became scared of sharks. 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.040 And I guess you know who could blame them when 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.719 you think about some of the iconic scenes like this 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:27.319 one tell. 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.040 Them to get out of the water. I remember that well. 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.440 I mean, yeah, we often talk about art imitating life, 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.160 but in some respects, I think it's important when we 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.640 analyze these sort of movies fifty years on to recognize 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.440 the real impact that art can have on life, and 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.520 in this case, how a blockbuster film about a killer 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.680 great white shark, as fictitious as it looked, could inform 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.719 opinions and perspectives on these incredible sea creatures and of 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:55.040 course the way that we treat them now. I wanted 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:59.040 to turn for this discussion to an extraordinary Australian. His 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:04.080 name is Rodney Fox. He's a filmmaker, conservationist and shark expert. 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.399 He was working alongside the team in Hollywood as well 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.240 as off the coast of South Australia back in seventy 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.880 five when the movie was released, and he's with me 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.640 on the line. Rodney, thank you for your time, much appreciated. 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:21.279 Yes, fine, Michael, it's quite an event to I think 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.160 it's fifty years ago since everybody raced out of the 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.200 water and hayed and wanted to kill Shark. 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.799 Well, I suppose we can almost sum it all up 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.439 in our first question, and that is that despite the 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.120 fear that came as a result of this movie, he 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:37.760 was incredibly well put together movie. 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.160 Spielberg did his magic. 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.440 But despite that, as you've said, over the years, it 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:46.640 created a curiosity in these creatures, which in turn has 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.320 ironically led to conservation efforts. 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:54.200 It's amazing, really running. We're still running our Great White 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:58.920 Shark expeditions regularly off the South Australian coast and we 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:04.279 had four times out doing a film recently and they 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.480 said they were all inspired by the charts, by the 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:13.480 Jaws movie. And you would be unbelievably surprised how many 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.600 people have said told us over the years how it's 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.080 got them interested in charts and one of them to 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:23.799 learn more. There's been so many articles and magazines, and 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:29.359 we've actually worked on over eighty different movies documentaries over 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.879 the year from all different countries and they've all been 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.560 so very interested and a lot of all of them 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:41.480 can nearly quote scenes from the Jaws movies. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.480 Mind, the damn Jews movie did pay a few of 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:45.920 your bills. 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.960 So let's go. 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.279 Back a lot over the Yes, I ended up with 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.239 a job as it was acrust the old fault at 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:59.080 Universal Studios Corridor and had to go around and tell 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.920 stories of and television and stuff. But the interesting thing 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:04.560 I went on that Jaws ride. 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:05.640 I was. 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:13.080 In the unit studios, yeah, Universal Studios, and I really 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.839 was interested in why people would stand for an hour 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:17.960 and a half and wait to go on the ride. 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.360 And I ended up by coming up with just a 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:26.480 few words. It's the tingering excitement of fear that people 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.600 get to go on those rides and things that they're 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.160 really interested in. But what really worries me a bit 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.680 is that people say, you know, I have never been 0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:40.000 in the water since I saw the film Jaws. And 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.200 one guy even said to me, I haven't even had 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:46.400 a bar since I've actually been since I've seen the 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:51.960 film Jaws. But if people can't work out fiction from fact, 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.239 and imagine all those other horrible movies that are out 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:59.560 there that they they're learning from and they think that's 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.360 what's normal, that's really quite amazing. 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:06.759 How yes movie, Well that's a very valid point. 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:08.480 And of course they'd never get in a taxi, they'd 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.000 never get in a bus, they'd never do anything. 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:11.360 If they based their life off movies. 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.000 To take me back fifty or so years to when 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.440 you know the Spielberg too, and he was sort of 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.080 starting out. Really he wasn't the big superstar that he 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.680 is now, Steven Spielberg. But I mean you and I 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.640 think Valerie Taylor and Ron and others they sort of 0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.719 tapped on the shoulder and said, right, well, we need 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:27.880 a bit of expertise here. 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:28.919 Fellas well. 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.839 I was very excited. Ten years before that I'd made 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.479 the first underwater cage. I was badly attacked by great 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.359 white of course, and I wanted to learn more about them, 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:41.319 to see if it was safe to go back in 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:45.640 the water. So I invented the shark diving cage, and 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.120 we made the first films right with Ron Taylor as 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:53.160 the cameraman and he as the expedition organizer and leader. 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:57.520 And that film went around the world, and it was 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.160 amazing how people would just ring up and ask us 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:04.080 if we could organize an expedition. And so that's how 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:09.800 Rodney Fox Shark Expedition started because people just kept contacting us, 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.400 and for twenty years we were the only really place 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.040 in the world where you could film great white sharks. 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:20.040 And it became quite a and of course the Jaws 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:24.480 movies was an inspiration to anybody who was a bit 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.440 interested and they wanted to go and see them face 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:31.920 to face themselves. And it's so our expeditions really have 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.880 been running for sixty years now, all off. 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:35.600 The Air Peninsula. 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:41.040 That shark attack, though, was one hell of an attack 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.799 that you suffered, and I mean, I think you would 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:45.680 say you were lucky to be alive after it. 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:46.719 It's been recorded as. 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:50.200 One of the worst ever shark attacks where someone's pulled through. 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:54.719 I can't believe how I always thought in the back 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:56.680 of my mind that I've been left here to do 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.959 something on this earth, because nobody would, you know, could 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.279 vibe all that those down wounds. And of course they 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.120 took them on the operating table, and they went around 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.799 the world many times. And I'm still been sending off 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:14.879 photographs of the scars, you know, and whereas I don't 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:17.600 show them anymore because I'm they're a bit fat and ugly. 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.480 It was amazing and I often thought I'd been lefty 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.600 to do something. And I look back over my whole 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.840 life and we've really all just worked with sharks and 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.960 sharks and got people to try and understand them and 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.200 those sharks. With over four hundred varieties of sharks in 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:40.720 the oceans, we've really, you know, with the great white 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.239 of course is the pinnacle one, but there were so 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:49.239 many other problems in oceans with the overfishing and plastics 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.840 and pollution. Now that been a bit instrumental in helping 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.399 all those because so many people now are researching and 0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:02.000 looking at sharks. We had these four signists out on 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.399 our boat during a film the other day and we 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.320 died with them with great white sharks from South Africa 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:13.560 and America, and they were really quite interested. And they 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.200 also knew half the words of the Jaws movie. 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.120 It seems to be the basis of the lexicon, doesn't it. 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.960 Nineteen ninety nine was an important year in this whole 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.320 story for Australia though, because that's when the federal government 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.520 declared the Great white vulnerable to extinction. And when that happens, 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.040 you know, things happen, Things change from a legislative point 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.920 of view. When you think about the movie came out 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:35.880 on this day in nineteen seventy five, and then it 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.200 took the better part of twenty four years before the 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.040 federal government here is that Actually, you know, if we 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.840 actually scientifically look at the numbers, these things are under pressure. 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:46.240 Just just give us a sense if you could ron 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.520 if the great whites were hunted to extinction because everyone 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:54.400 feared them, would what would the ocean ecosystem look like? 0:45:55.320 --> 0:46:01.160 Well, it's basically that they apply pressure to any schools 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.120 of fish that get too large that we eat all 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.280 the food that they eat, or the dolphins or the seals. 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:11.560 They actually are very good at locating the sick and 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.480 the slow ones because they're easy to catch, the dolphins, 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:18.040 the seals, the whales, and so they keep our oceans clean. 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:26.120 And so they're called a major predator in our sea 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.080 for sea life farm and we really need them in 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.680 our oceans. And just to wipe out something from fear 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.480 is not just the thing to do. We've got to 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.799 learn to live with them and not just kill them 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:38.320 from fear. 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.640 Well, what about those that go into the water, their 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:45.160 surfers or their ocean swimmers or whatever. What can they 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.400 do to as best as possible not be attractive to 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:50.879 shark shark's. 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:52.759 Drawn to us? Or I mean, what's the story with 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:53.560 the relationship. 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.680 I made my living as an abaloney diver in the 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.560 same order as we're filming all these great white sharks 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:05.719 for sixteen years. And I used to use the analogy 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:11.120 that sharks only eight to ten sort of kill eight 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.560 to ten people in the whole world for a year. 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:19.240 They don't like abalony, and generally speaking, there's a reason. 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:23.000 And a lot of the surfers that get bidden, of course, 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.799 are in the same area where the sharks are like 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:29.319 to live, on the reefs where the seas break, and 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.040 that's where the fish live. And so at surfer on 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.440 the surface with his legs over the side looks like 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:38.960 a dolphin or a seal that could be damage or cook. 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.840 You know, a surfing is not really a good place 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.560 to go. And a lot of our southern headlandes and 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.520 coastlines because that's where the great white sharks hang out. 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.920 That makes sense. I guess where where's sort of swimming 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:53.160 in their supermarket as it were. 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.480 Well, that's right, it's their world out there, and we've 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.480 got to learn to live with them and not just 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.440 kill them from fear. And over the years, the Finders 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.080 University of a lot of people and we on our 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.880 boats have been trying to make available to anybody who's 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:13.120 got a great shark repellent, And there's been fifteen or 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:17.160 twenty different times, And there's an electronic shark repellent now 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.319 that you wear that sends out an electrical field that 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:26.040 keeps sharks they reckon. It's very, very good and the 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.440 results have been by the Frienders University has shown that 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.600 they actually are keep sharks away. 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:36.200 Just finally, Rodney, because I've soaked up a lot of 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.400 your precious time, but it is fascinating speaking with you. 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:40.440 Just had a text come in from someone who was 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.000 listening as we speak, and it's from Jeffy saysm mate 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:44.759 and I were on a surfing trip up Foster Away 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.360 in nineteen seventy five and we saw the movie Jaws 0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.360 for the first time at the local cinema. We didn't 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.319 surf for the rest of the holiday. Now, I mean 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:56.759 that stockstandard. But having overcome that extraordinary attack, and I've 0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:59.080 seen the photos of what the shark did to you, 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.560 I mean you were a miss. How did you overcome 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.960 what I think would be completely acceptable as a natural 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:09.000 fear of these creatures to not just go back in 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.360 the water, but to dedicate your life to their preservation. 0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:14.360 And the study of them when I was in hospital. 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:18.640 They and after about a week I was allowed to 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:22.080 visit this but they allowed forty visitors to come instead 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.160 of two the normal two, because the doctors thought that 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:27.600 if they showed that I was really loved and I 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.880 had something to live for, i'd fight hard and to 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:35.120 fight off any problems that I had. And so I 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:39.160 noticed at that time that the word shark was really 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.120 a feared and horrible thing, like death and hell and 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:46.440 the devil up there, you know, the sort of you 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.120 know they're there and they might affect you in time, 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.240 and the fear of not seeing them in the water 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:57.040 by standing on the beach was really quite a difficult 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.759 thing because you didn't know there was a shark within 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:04.279 it a few meters or miles away from you. And 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:08.200 as an adalony as a diet snorkeler in the early 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.560 days when I was attacked, I knew that when you 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:13.000 had the mask on and you go into nice clear water, 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:16.400 you can see there were those sharks there, and I 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.319 badly wanted to get that diving again. It was a 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:25.000 fabulous sport where you not only saw all these incredible 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.840 beautiful scenes, but you got healthy and well at the 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:33.880 same time, and I certainly wanted to dispel the myths 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.080 that people had that you just had to kill them 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:37.160 for the safe of fear. 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.719 Well you've done that. It's been an extraordinary right of yours. 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.319 Wonderful to speak with you, Rodney. I've really enjoyed the opportunity. 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:44.240 Thank you for your time. 0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:46.960 Yes, thank you for calling all the best. 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.200 Bye bye, Rodney Fox, as I said, instrumental in the 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.279 Sharks scenes in Jewels and Jewels came out on this 0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:55.920 day in nineteen seventy five. You might have seen it 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.359 in the early days. You can tell me your recollections, 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.600 as Jeff did there on the text us up on 0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.120 a surfing trip up Foster Way and didn't surf for 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:05.840 most of the troop after he saw the movie at 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.879 the local cinema one three, one eight seven three. Things 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.960 happening closer to home, of course as well. On the roads, Richard, 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:12.680 what are you seeing? 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:13.600 Oh? 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:18.080 Here you going? I was driving along the Horsbury Valley 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.399 Way and there was a thick black smoke coming from 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:24.360 the bus center are from. I'm pretty sure it's the 0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:28.960 government bus. Say yeah, one of the buses up in flames. 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.840 The fiber gave just ropped up, and yeah, it's just 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.920 really bad with the smoke there at the moment. 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.600 Is this in Malgrave Road? Is that the bus enter there? 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:41.960 Yes, Yes, I'm pretty sure that's that's the road. 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:44.120 Yes, And you're it looks as though one of the 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.160 buses inside the center's on fire. 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:49.760 Yep, it's definitely on fire. And there's a thick black 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:55.480 smoke coment heading over the Hausby Valley Way right. 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.759 Well, Richard, that's the first we've heard of it. Thank 0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.480 you for being our eyes on the road. We'll put 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.600 some calls in and we'll see what's happening there. Just 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:03.960 to repeat Richard saying at the bus center, I think 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:05.399 it's a government bus stepot. 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:05.239 Isn't it. 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.080 At Moulgrove Road There at Maulgrave it does look as 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:11.400 though a bus is on fire inside the bus depot. 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:13.759 So we'll try to find out what's happening there in 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:17.440 the cause of that particular blaze. Pat, Good afternoon. 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:21.640 Good afternoon. It was interesting your previous interview just what 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.040 knowledge people have and that can lend into films. You 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.279 were talking about Steven Spielberg in the production and the 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:32.560 directing of that movie Jaws. There is just a segue 0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:38.040 out of that Stielberg's direction. He directed a movie called 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:42.120 Duel with Dennis Weaver was the actor, and it was 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.080 about two trucks that were driving through I think it 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:50.640 was California in the desert, and the antagonist was running 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:55.280 down road rage wise of Dennis Weavers truck. Two large trucks. 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.560 But you never got to see the antagonist. You never 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.719 got to see who was driving the truck that was 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.080 being road rade, you know, doing the road raging, right, 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.120 But you can see Dennis Weaver doing all the acting 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.320 out of the truck. And it is the most nail 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:13.799 biting I think I've seen. And you know, because you 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:16.160 look at directors and you look at musicians and you 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.520 kind of track them down. And after Jaws came out, 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.160 you know, Duell kind of hit the screens again for 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.560 a second, you know, reenteration. 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:23.200 You know. 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:23.439 Ah. 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:27.239 Yeah, But if you get to see Duell, it is 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.399 it is the most amazing directing because you never get 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.880 to see the antagonist. The faces always obscured you to 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:39.400 see his truck driving behind Dennis Weavers truck. And it 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:40.440 is a classic movie. 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.400 Yeah, it's one of the greats. It's certainly one of 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.120 the classics with that long. I mean here we are 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:45.840 talking about it fifty years on. A lot of movies 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:47.600 are made you don't talk about in five minutes after 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:49.360 they've hit the screen. Let Lane, they go to the 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.440 midday movie. Let alone the fifty years. But here we 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.279 are speaking. Hey, Pat, great call. Thank you for that. 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:57.880 George on the Texas, I've seen Jaws in three D. 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.240 Absolutely terrifying because you think the shark's about to circle. 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.279 You bet it is, Mitch said, a lot of these 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:07.359 stories coming in. Mitch says, a maid and I used 0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:10.040 to swim laps of Couldgi Beach. On one swim, I 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.719 saw a hammerhead shark was about five meters below me. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:16.319 I made a sharp right turn and swam to shore 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:19.279 very quickly, and that was the last time I did that. 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.480 Tony says, I was twelve years old. I saw Jaws 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.040 in tweed heads. We're in deck chairs. I was in 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.920 the front row, very scared. Oh this, Karen, Thank you, Karen. 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:30.600 Steve says I watched Jaws as a fourteen year old. 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:32.960 It scared me that much that I checked for sharks 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:33.840 when I have a bath. 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:35.759 Steve, you need help. 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.440 And this from Dick, He says, with jaws. I noticed 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.759 it from time to time. Some prints have censored that 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.440 wonderful scene where Robert Shaw at the stern of the 0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:49.040 sinking boat is sliding feet first into the Great White's mouth. 0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.879 Steven Spielberg wouldn't like to hear that one, after all, 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.200 wasn't the objective to scare the Jesus out of all 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.360 of us? That's from Dick. I haven't noticed the censoring, 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:01.359 but okay, that's interest one. Others have picked that up. 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:03.600 Very observant. Good on your Dick, will take a break more. 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.120 In a moment, text after text after text, Rob says. 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:10.640 Oh that this is regarding that that movie duel was 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:12.400 a truck and a car, not two trucks. A few 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.120 people have made that point. Thank you, Rob and others. 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:19.160 Harry says, Mick mack good on you. Harry, Ben said 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.480 had again this morning. He said, I just googled Rodney 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.040 Fox and the shark injuries. They are not for the 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:29.239 fade hearted. His recovery is a miracle. It is, it is, 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.080 and that's why I said to him, it's I mean, 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:34.160 you'd be completely forgiven Rodney for hating sharks, being afraid 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:37.080 of them. Be the natural reaction, and yet he's dedicated 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.080 his life to their preservation. If you said not for 0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:41.759 the fainthe hard, but if you google it, you see 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:49.160 the injuries, the bite marks, horrendous, horrendous, how he survived. 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:52.160 I had no idea, Pete says, after Jaws, I'd even 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:55.080 sit and study a saltwater pool for signs of a fin. 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:58.680 That's Pete and Kaz, I think speaking on behalf of 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.440 many says ever since I saw I'm never the person furthest. 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:09.160 Out in the water. Let's get all the latest news 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:10.800 eron mah Good afternoon. 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.640 Good afternoon, Michael. About thirty eight Australians have been evacuated 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:17.279 from Israel driven on a bus into Jordan. 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In sport, the 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.200 NBA Finals are going to a decider after the Indiana 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.600 Pacers beat Oklahoma City Thunder one hundred and eight to 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.560 ninety one to square the series at three all Ozzie 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:02.120 Johnny Firfey played six minutes for the Pacers. And there'll 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.320 be more news at two o'clock on afternoons. 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:09.520 Oh weather update, we'll be here to help in unexpected weather. 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:12.360 Nurmain Insurance a help company. 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:14.800 Yeah, a nice one for us today, Sonny in seventeen 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:16.920 for Sydney. Pretty much the same everywhere up to eighteen 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.160 at Richmond, Terry Hills will get to sixteen eighteen at 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:23.000 Campbelltown as at seventeen everywhere else like Paramounta, Bondai, Pendrith 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:26.240 and Liverpool Tomorrow, sunny in eighteen in town and mostly 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:29.200 sunny in nineteen four Sunday. Maybe you drop it to 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:31.920 a rain Tuesday, but otherwise it looks pretty good. Camberra 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.840 today today in the Capitol sunnay in thirteen for you Tugrinong, 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:38.320 just that one degree warmer at fourteen minus foured the 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:40.480 low tomorrow morning it will warm up there at a 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.760 positive fourteen morning frost that'll be burnt away by a 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.600 nice sunny day for Saturday, and then a very similar 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.720 story on Sunday as for Lithgo fifteen the top morning 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:54.520 frost that's gone now obviously a sunny day there Orange 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:58.720 thirteen and sunny Mudgie seventeen, Baptist fourteen, katomb but just twelve, 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:01.160 but the sun is out Spring sixteen and sunny which 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:04.040 is beautiful at springwood minus two to positive fifteen tomorrow, 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.600 depending on where the sun dials at morning frost and 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:09.919 sunny for Lithgo. Very similar story on Saturday our Sunday rather, 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.680 but a top of sixteen. Let's get back to all 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:16.240 of these calls and text Michael, what's your story? 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:18.000 Mate? 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:23.240 Yes, mate, it's you, sorry mate. Thirty odd year ago. 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.400 Man and mate fishing in a little four meter ting 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.760 dinghy in Brooklyn, little ten horsepower on the back of it. 0:58:29.240 --> 0:58:32.040 They were looking in the water. Great white shark cruises 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:34.840 past the boat. He's a true story, guys. He's done 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:39.040 a ywey. He came back, rolled on his side, looked 0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:41.520 at me. And piped in his boat and his eye 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:43.400 was as big as a soccer ball, was bigger than 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:47.320 the boat. This shark and within seconds that motor was 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:49.800 going and we were on the shore. Brother, we were 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.680 born to this day. I will not get back in 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:53.240 salt water. 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:58.480 But this is a Brooklyn, Brooklyn, just up here near Boston. 0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.520 Yeah, yeah, out in the ocean. You're up, You're up 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:02.360 the estuary. 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:05.400 So speak, we're up in Brooklyn. We weren't that far 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:07.960 off the boat right there, and yet she was. She 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:10.439 rolled on the side, and I'll never forget that. I'm 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:12.720 looking at us. Was as big as a soccer ball, 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.840 was huge, and that ended our fish and trip we 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:16.160 were on that. 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:19.040 We're on the bank, mate, I would have been there 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:19.600 faster than you. 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:19.800 Did. 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:21.840 You blow a kiss. At least you were polite. I hope. 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:27.840 I thought I nearly walked on water. It was scary. 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.360 I was telling up, Well. 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.760 I wouldn't if that was all legit, Michael, I would 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:33.600 be as scared as you. 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.600 Thank you, mate. Here's another one. This is from Stavros. 0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:39.320 He's listening in Adelaide. Gooda Stavross. He says, me and 0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.640 a mate we were out fishing off the York Peninsula, 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:44.520 the big shark territory out there, and he said, a 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.040 great white cruise by us. He was bigger than our 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:49.680 seventeen foot boat. 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.760 It was huge, had. 0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:53.560 A heap of massive scars along its body, a real 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:55.920 fighting brute of an eating machine. I'm glad I was 0:59:55.960 --> 1:00:00.439 in a boat that's from Stavross. Okay, Steve Even says, 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:02.720 did you know the mechanical shark in Jaws was nicknamed 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:08.600 Bruce by the film crew after Steven Spielberg's lawyer, Bruce Raymer. Okay, well, 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:10.360 I guess that'd makes sense if that's true. Nice bit 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:12.760 of trivia. Thank you, Stephen. Keep them coming. One three, 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.120 one eight seven three or zero four six, zero eight 1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:16.360 seven three eight seven three. 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.120 I remember my dad said, I went probably back in 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:19.720 the seventies or so. 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:22.360 He was up probably of Byron Bail up that way 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:25.440 before it was trendy, and they were out I don't 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:26.960 know if they were spear fishing or they were out 1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:29.520 just swimming in pretty deep water. He had a couple 1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:33.720 of mates and the shark he was swimming. The shark 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.000 went under him a fair way under big sharks sort 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:39.400 of thing, and he noticed it, you know, as soon 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:41.640 as you see it. I guess a lot of people 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.520 the natural instinct. This was Dad's let's get back to 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:47.480 the beach fellers, you know, the quick coopie calling out, 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:51.160 we go, And I said, I've been in the ocean 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.360 plenty of times, never deep sea fishing or anything. I'm 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:55.400 not that adventurous. But swimming at the beach in the 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.400 harbor of this sort of thing over the years, I 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:00.000 don't know if I'd swim in the harbor anymore. 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.520 Just jumping off a boat into the harbor. 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:03.520 We used to do it, but I don't think I 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.120 do it now because it's so clean that there is 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.760 a lot of life in the harbor, including sharks. But 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:13.400 I think jaws. I'm not thinking about jaws and just 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.960 think general self preservation. I don't think i'd do it, 1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:19.920 but you know, normal beaches, yeah, why not. But a 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:22.200 lot of people it's had this impact fifty years and 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.440 still going. They just won't go near it because of 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.680 the Jaws effect. It's twenty four to two, all right, 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.120 let's get back into it. Twenty minutes to two. Just 1:01:29.160 --> 1:01:30.960 a couple of updates for you. Hear a bit more 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:34.320 information coming to Handrey that bus fire that our listener 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.520 tipped us off about. Fire and rescue have been in touch. 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:39.160 The fire is in a bus yard on Curtis Road 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:43.040 in Moulgrave in the Windsor area. Two fire trucks are 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.120 on the scene fighting the fire. It's the result of 1:01:45.200 --> 1:01:48.520 one bus being alight. Other buses nearby have been moved. 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:50.960 That's thanks to staff at the bus yards, so they've 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:53.919 done very well. No injuries thus far reported. The fire 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:56.880 is expected to be under control shortly now at Fairfield 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:59.400 House High School and that suspected gas leak we heard 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:04.440 about early from Adam Dewbry, specialist Hazardous materials Response technicians 1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:07.800 responded to that scene. They haven't been able to locate 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:11.960 any actual gas in or around the school, so the 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:15.240 school evacuated early. That was a precaution, but everyone's now 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:18.520 being returned. I think investigations are ongoing, but the odor 1:02:19.000 --> 1:02:21.040 may be due to some bitumen. 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:23.200 Being laid on a nearby road. 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:26.720 I'll have to remember that one next time I get 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:27.479 stuck in the lift. 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:30.720 There's no flammability in the air. 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:33.920 I'm just saying what you were thinking, Joel, and the 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:36.560 school is returning to normal operations with no injuries. 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:37.520 Reporter, which is good. 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:40.720 So that's the latest from Fairfield and the latest from Mulgrave. 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:44.160 The Mulgrave situation is still ongoing, but it is expected. 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:46.400 We hear that the fire will be under control shortly. 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:49.360 Well done to all involved. 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:53.200 And now the real estate show. 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:56.680 All right, let's talk real estate, of course we do that. 1:02:56.720 --> 1:03:00.440 The wonderful people at Domain and our stults have is 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:02.440 the champion there and she's with us. 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:05.360 Hello, Alice, Good afternoon, Michael. 1:03:05.400 --> 1:03:07.439 Great to be with you and with you as well, 1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:09.439 and just a reminder of people have a property they'd 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:10.240 like valued. 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:13.000 Alice's the guru and she's got the supercomputers. 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:16.600 You know, they invested huge money and many nuclear reactors 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:18.640 and everything to have those data center and is operating 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:21.720 twenty four seven. So take advantage of it. One three 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:23.919 one eight seven three, give us some details. We'll pass 1:03:23.920 --> 1:03:25.360 it on to Domain. They'll do the work. We'll get 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.880 you on air and Bob's your uncle, as they say. 1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:32.080 Let's look first at the Sydney market. The auction results, 1:03:32.400 --> 1:03:36.600 another big number coming through over one thousand auctions last week, 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:38.200 so we're back over the thousand again. 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:42.200 We are, indeed, and you know that clearance rate last weekend, 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:46.000 Michael came in at sixty nine percent, So pretty solid 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:48.960 result given just how much stock there was. And yet 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.920 again we're hearing of these auctions where kind of bidding 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:54.240 can get a bit scrappy and people are kind of 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:57.000 just going up in tiny little increments us to try 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:58.840 to get their nose in front of the line as 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:03.000 that gavel goes down. But still pretty tough competitions out there. Tomorrow, 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:06.160 we're seeing six hundred and sixty nine options take place 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:07.600 around Sydney, okay. 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:11.040 And the clearance rate was strong, wasn't it almost seventy percent? 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:11.840 Yeah? 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:14.600 Yeah, sorry, that was what I was alluding to. Then, 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:17.760 you know, nearly seventy percent on that much stock is 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.480 a really good indication. And I think it's also a 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:22.960 sign that we are going to see those prices rise, 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.480 because that really is that we're sort of getting that 1:04:25.480 --> 1:04:29.200 sweet spot where the demand is actually clearing despite how 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:31.200 much choice there is for buyers in the market. 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:33.880 I mean, look, I'm naive in these sort of things, 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:36.280 but I sort of stretched my head outs and think 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:40.280 price is rising again, no doubt above inflation. Where do 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:43.240 people get all this money from? Like I would have 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:47.640 thought most people's borrowing capacity was exhausted in the middle 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:50.240 of COVID when we went on a real gallop, despite 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.160 the men in the bank saying we'd have a collapse. 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:56.400 But now the price is going again, that seems I mean, 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:59.640 people's wages haven't been rocketing, so so where is this 1:04:59.680 --> 1:05:01.760 money coming from? 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:05.560 Well, the short answer is it's probably coming from property investment. 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:09.160 We know that when people have invested in property historically, 1:05:09.480 --> 1:05:11.480 they are often the ones who are really reaping the 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:14.280 rewards of that. And I think that's why the whole 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:17.360 topic of property is so sort of contrariant, and that 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:20.560 if you're an owner, you're kind of probably quite happy 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:23.840 about the price gains that you're making on your property. However, 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:26.360 if you're not, you're a first time buyer, you're worried about, Hey, 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:28.360 kids are going to get into the market. You have 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:31.680 this conundrum of thinking, don't let these prices keep racing 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:34.000 away like they have been. But the reality is that 1:05:34.040 --> 1:05:36.240 people are making that wealth through property. But to get 1:05:36.280 --> 1:05:39.280 into that market in that first instance remains a very 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:41.560 big challenge for many people who are just quite simple 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:42.760 at the moment, locked out of it. 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:44.959 Okay, just on that, I mean the whole domain team. 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:46.760 I mean, you're always churning through data. And this is 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:48.440 why it's good we speak to you, because you're the 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:52.160 head of the curve. Now you're looking at household affordability 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:55.080 and you're making a forecast for the next financial year 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:57.960 out of this data. So what are some of the 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:01.040 predictions here that's coming forward through all of these numbers. 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:04.440 Well, the forecast data came out this week and what 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:07.800 it's looking at is what prices may well do in 1:06:07.840 --> 1:06:09.800 the year ahead. Now this is based on three to 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:14.200 four further interest rate cuts. Now, the alarming and stark 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:17.480 figure is that Sydney prices are expected to rise around 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:21.200 seven percent over the next twelve months, which will pip 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:25.440 that medium to around one point eight two million dollars. Michael, 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:28.400 and I just I don't know how you sit with that, Michael, 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:31.160 but I just think, how can that be the average 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:33.720 price of what you pay for a house in Sydney. 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:36.320 But yet here we are, having said that, the average 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:39.000 prices of today's around one point seven million, So we're 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:41.680 already at that point where many of us are just 1:06:41.720 --> 1:06:43.560 thinking how do we get here and how do I 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:47.720 guess do we course correct? So that current owners are 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:51.080 able to maintain their investment and their asset, but also 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:54.959 open up more opportunity for younger people and future generations. 1:06:55.280 --> 1:06:59.680 Okay, a number like that. I remember being on air. 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:01.080 It didn't seem like. 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.080 That long ago when we were speaking to the people 1:07:03.120 --> 1:07:06.960 I think from Domain when Sydney's average tipped over. 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:08.680 The million, and was holy Nellie. 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:12.200 And we've almost you know, if this is all going 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:13.640 to be a fruit, by the end of next year, 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:16.640 will almost be double it, and I don't know a decade. 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.520 Will almost crack. Yeah, and you and I will sit 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:21.320 here and sort of think, gosh, when will it crack 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:22.280 two million dollars? 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:22.919 Now? 1:07:22.960 --> 1:07:25.280 How nuts is that? And as you just said at 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:28.560 the top there, the issue is that wages are not 1:07:28.800 --> 1:07:31.640 keeping pace with that price growth. So look, what will 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:33.760 help sort of alleviate a bit of that pressure on 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:36.040 it is once we get more supply into the market. 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:38.680 We probably don't have enough hours in the day to 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:41.760 talk through about when and how, And you know, is 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:44.200 that coming soon enough to resolve that, Michael? But we 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:47.680 know that Finally it feels like governments are kind of 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:50.160 joining forces a bit more, but it is going to 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:52.800 take time. You can't just click your fingers and sort 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:56.160 of you know, have that supply arise instantly. 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:58.680 But you see, like as you said, there's a contrarian 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:01.680 aspect of the market from a private point of view, 1:08:01.760 --> 1:08:04.320 there's also a contrarian aspect from a governmental point of view, 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.560 as you know, because the higher the prices go, the 1:08:06.640 --> 1:08:09.560 bigger the stamp duty clip because it's based off a 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:12.480 percentage of the sale price or the land value technically. 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:17.280 So they are short of money, particularly the Victorian money 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:20.559 a government, they're broke, and so anything where they can 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:22.760 bring more money in than they expect it is good 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:26.679 for them, and so one wonders how invested they really 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:30.400 are in moderating price growth in the housing market. 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:34.439 Indeed, that is completely an accurate description that you've just 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:36.519 given there, And I think that's why for me, I 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:40.280 would like to eventually see brave policy like looking at 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:43.639 abolishing stamp duty in favor of that land tax, which 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:46.559 we've talked about before. But I do think that until 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:48.400 we're actually going to sort of see government put their 1:08:48.400 --> 1:08:50.160 money where their mouth is and willing to take a 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:52.920 hit on that instant cash hit they get from stamp duty, 1:08:53.280 --> 1:08:56.080 we're going to be locking out a lot of younger 1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:57.960 people when it comes to home ownership. 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:00.880 That's crazy. Okay, that's a debate. We'll go into those 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:03.280 numbers again in more detail later. We'll take a break. 1:09:03.280 --> 1:09:05.679 We'll come back with the special guest, Rich Harvey. He's 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:08.600 a buyer agent, CEO and founder of Property Buyer. I 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:10.040 want to get his thoughts on a couple of things 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:10.680 straight after this. 1:09:10.720 --> 1:09:11.360 It's ten to two. 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:13.640 I want to bring Rich Harvey in here as we 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:15.800 talk real estate now, because you see, whether you're looking 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:17.280 at an open home or you're going to an auction 1:09:17.400 --> 1:09:19.800 or whatever, it's important to know what you're getting into 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:23.479 before making an investment as big as property. Just talking 1:09:23.520 --> 1:09:24.840 about the values there, I mean, you know, there's a 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:26.880 lot of money on the line, and these days the 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:29.000 property market across the country's a bit of a mixed bag. 1:09:29.080 --> 1:09:31.800 Some areas cooler homes on the market for longer, and 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:34.400 other areas and locations is pretty hot, so things are 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:35.160 flipping quickly. 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:39.679 Now. Some sellers may have staged their home for the sale, 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:41.720 so they hire furniture. They do is to make it 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:42.639 look really impressive. 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:44.920 But as a perspective buy you've got to know what 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:46.920 you're buying, You've got to be able to see behind 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:49.200 the veneer as it were. And I think this is 1:09:49.200 --> 1:09:50.960 where people like Rich Harvey come in. As I said, 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:53.320 Rich as a buyer agent, a CEO and founder a 1:09:53.320 --> 1:09:55.880 property buyer. And he's on the line. Good to speak 1:09:55.880 --> 1:09:57.080 with you. Rich, Thank you for your. 1:09:56.920 --> 1:09:59.160 Time and pleasure. Mica, We're great to chat with you. 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:01.400 You had a lot of sperience obviously selling homes over 1:10:01.400 --> 1:10:03.920 the years. Do a lot of people stage the property 1:10:04.479 --> 1:10:06.519 to make it look better and hide some sins. 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:09.479 Absolutely, And by the way, I don't sell properly. I 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:11.040 just buy properly. I've been doing it for twenty five 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:12.840 years as a buyer's agent. But yes, a lot of 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.760 people do spend the money, and the reason they spend 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:18.200 the money staging or styling a home is simply to 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.639 create that emotional connection with the buyer. Like you know yourself, 1:10:21.640 --> 1:10:23.280 if you've walked into an open home and it's just 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:27.080 empty rooms and corridors and it feels soulless compared to 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:29.679 something that's got beautiful decor. It's been done in a theme, 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:32.640 like a beach theme or a Hampton style, and you 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:34.800 look at all the knickknacks, and someone spend anywhere from 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.320 five grand to up to twenty grand plus to really 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:40.439 create that emotional connection and entice the buyer to fall 1:10:40.439 --> 1:10:42.519 in love with the property and therefore pay a high price. 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:44.960 So you've got to look beyond those things, to the 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:47.000 bones of the property before you make your decision. 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:48.120 I must met. 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.320 When my wife and I bought our property, there wasn't 1:10:50.360 --> 1:10:54.360 too much styling going on, as made too much sins either. 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:57.840 Let's bring it, of course, Alice, no doubt. A couple 1:10:57.880 --> 1:10:59.240 of questions, Alice, what do you want to ask? 1:10:59.320 --> 1:10:59.479 Rich? 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:02.720 Yeah, hi, Rich, I think tell me what you think 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:05.160 about when people go sort of the themed approach in 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:07.880 their styling. Rich, you know, you might have a modernist 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:10.840 home and people kind of really lean into styling it 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:13.559 with moderns furniture or a certain theme. Do you think 1:11:13.600 --> 1:11:17.080 that can really enhance a property for a potential buyer. 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:20.479 Yes, I do very much so, Alis, And it also 1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:23.240 depends on the suburb and the profile of homes and 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:26.479 the demographic of the buyers in that area. So there's 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:29.400 certain suburbs where you definitely spend a lot of money 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:32.280 to style home in a certain theme. The risk that 1:11:32.360 --> 1:11:35.000 some sellers have indors have is that if they style 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:37.720 it in the wrong theme or go too crazy with 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:40.639 pastoral colors, for example, it could actually put some buyers 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:42.400 off and go, oh, I don't like that, even though 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:44.439 the bones the property might be good. So I think 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:46.920 the message here is to just be careful and look 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:50.759 beyond the styling, to see the functionality of the floor plan, 1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:54.080 see how big the rooms are, because I've seen somehowses 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:58.040 very cleverly disguised small rooms with three quarter beds or 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:00.160 minute furniture to make the room look big. 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:01.120 That's clever. 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:03.840 Speaking of the bones, you know a lot of first 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:07.000 home buyers, you know, these are traps for young players, 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:07.360 I guess. 1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:08.880 So they say this looks good. 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:11.200 Oh that tap tap wall, pretend you know what you're 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.800 doing as you walk around. That sounds solid. But how 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:16.920 do people know that what they're buying is actually solid 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:20.120 and there's not a lot of hidden disasters and waiting 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:21.040 to be revealed. 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:24.080 Yeah, first and fundamental thing Michael, You've got to do 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:27.320 is get an independent pest and building inspection done. You know, me, 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:29.280 as a buyer's agent, I'm not a qualified builder. So 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:31.880 what's inside the wall? They could be termite damage. There 1:12:31.880 --> 1:12:34.439 could be water penetration, that could be structural damage. They 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:37.479 could be rising damp. Those things are not visible to 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:40.439 the naked eye. And unless you get an experienced building 1:12:40.479 --> 1:12:43.720 inspector and pest inspector, pay your five hundred and six 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:47.240 hundred dollars. It's money very well spent. In some states 1:12:47.280 --> 1:12:49.840 it's mandatory that properties are sold with a pest and 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.479 building inspection. But if it was my money, I'd get 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.320 my own done. I trust my own building inspector, and 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:57.719 that way you've got some insurance there to know exactly 1:12:57.760 --> 1:12:58.360 what you're buying. 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:02.559 Yeah, I completely agree, Rich. I think that due diligence 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:04.559 can go a long way and saving people money in 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:07.120 the long run. The other suggestion I've got is also 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:11.439 when houses look incredibly styled, don't be afraid if you're 1:13:11.479 --> 1:13:13.599 looking at it for an inspection to lift up those 1:13:13.680 --> 1:13:15.800 rugs a little bit. I'm not suggesting go and get 1:13:15.800 --> 1:13:18.000 your husband to move the slow through or something, but 1:13:18.040 --> 1:13:20.040 it is okay to kind of peek around things and 1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:22.840 roll things back a little bit within reason if you 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:27.200 feel like something could be concealed or hidden by the 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:29.439 use of styling, and many people do this. You'll often 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:31.439 see those big oversized rugs in a room and they're 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.000 often covering up a few little cracks in the floor 1:13:34.080 --> 1:13:36.840 or holes in the carpet. So you know, you have 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:38.960 it in your rights to kind of go and fossic 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:40.639 about the property a little bit. 1:13:41.160 --> 1:13:43.360 Absolutely. Look, when I go through properties and my team 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:45.559 go through properties, we look at anywhere from thirty eighty 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:47.960 properties a week, So I'm always opening and closing cupboards, 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:50.920 checking everything out. I'm opening and sliding the doors to 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:53.120 check if the roll is a bustard, the windows open, 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:55.280 the water taps work. You know, I'm obviously not as 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:56.960 staro as what a pest and building inspector in, but 1:13:57.080 --> 1:13:58.760 I want to do a first path to know it's 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:01.000 going to meet the grade of what my once and 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:03.120 then I can say, hey, let's look out, I've saw 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:05.559 that crack in the wall outside. Let's tell the buildings 1:14:05.800 --> 1:14:07.840 to take special note of that. Or there's a bit 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:10.040 of paint peeling in this room. Why is that happening? 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:10.280 Is there? 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:11.760 And what a penetration getting in? 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:13.680 You tell, don't be shy, that's got a lot of 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:15.439 money on the lne Haye Rich, We've got to run 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:16.840 there's some valuable points there. 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.200 Thank you for your time. I appreciate it, my pleasure. 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:20.160 Thanks Michael, all the best. 1:14:20.200 --> 1:14:22.720 Rich Harvey there said Buyer Agent, CEO and founder of 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:23.920 Property Buyer. 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:25.519 That means we've got to run as well. 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:27.280 Alice will catch up same time next week. 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:28.880 Look forward to it. 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:30.080 Thanks Michael, my pleasure. 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.760 Alice Stoltz there from Domain Susan says. Back in the day, 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:34.920 it was a batch of biscuits or scones cooking in 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:36.800 the oven for the open house. These days it's a 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:38.519 little more complicated and here it seems to be. 1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:40.080 But that's change for you. 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:47.160 News is next now onto gb and network stations. Back 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:49.760 to afternoons with Michael McLaren. 1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:52.240 Thank you for being with us as we get into 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:53.479 the third hour. Do for Clinton. 1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:56.040 Maynard es Squire will be up straight after three o'clock 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:56.559 with Sydney. 1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:57.640 Now there'll be a lot going on. 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:01.400 He'll be across all the details as stay Parliament workout 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:04.160 who should go to jail or not, depend on who 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:06.439 he's giving evidence. I mean, my goodness, this sort of 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:10.080 stuff anyway. Word coming through from the federal government too, 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:13.160 that two eightyf aircraft have been deployed to the Middle East. 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:17.719 This is not for combat purposes. This is for getting 1:15:18.080 --> 1:15:22.400 Australian citizens out of the Middle East. Two aircraft eightyf 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:24.520 aircraft ready to evacuate Australians. 1:15:24.520 --> 1:15:26.479 That's the word coming out obviously. 1:15:26.520 --> 1:15:28.880 I think the numbers was something like twelve hundred Australians 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:32.600 in Israel and fourteen or so one hundred in Iran 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:35.840 have sought government help to get out. 1:15:35.920 --> 1:15:38.040 Not everybody wants to leave, obviously. 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:41.000 But I can imagine those that do, so the government's 1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:43.920 going to do their best there one three, one eight 1:15:44.040 --> 1:15:44.599 seven three. 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:49.599 Now I tell you stay listening this hour because you've 1:15:49.640 --> 1:15:50.479 got to listen for this. 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:54.960 These Winter Wheel. 1:15:55.880 --> 1:15:56.719 The Winter Wheel. 1:15:56.920 --> 1:15:59.080 Now that's not the Queuter cor but that will be 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:01.320 the cuter course when you hear that later this hour. 1:16:01.360 --> 1:16:03.719 You've got to get on that prize loan really really fast. 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:06.280 One three hundred and seven do two eight seven three 1:16:06.360 --> 1:16:10.120 not now, not now, or Olivia and the team will 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:13.240 go absolutely ballistic at you. They can be like that, 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:17.400 so just you know, don't test their patience. It's been 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:20.479 a long week for them out there. Brianna and Olivia. 1:16:21.200 --> 1:16:23.760 I'm getting death stairs, so I'll just in there. But 1:16:24.040 --> 1:16:26.559 when you hear that later, that's when you call as 1:16:26.640 --> 1:16:29.800 quick as you can, and I'll give you the designated caller. 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:31.400 And of course then we'll spin the wheel. We might 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:33.680 get old Lucky Fingers over there Joel to do it 1:16:34.280 --> 1:16:36.320 and see if we can give away twenty five hundred 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:39.160 dollars in cash or something just as good. There's stacks 1:16:39.160 --> 1:16:41.599 of money and great prizes on that wheel to warm 1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:45.639 up a winter day like this for you, So stay 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:48.840 listening for that later. Also, later this hour, I'm going 1:16:48.920 --> 1:16:52.200 to ask you about chocolate, because I like chocolate. But 1:16:52.240 --> 1:16:55.120 there was a story bouncing around one of the papers overseas, 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:57.479 and it's one of those questions that I don't know 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:01.200 if humanity is yet resolved. It depends on the type 1:17:01.200 --> 1:17:03.320 of chocolate we're speaking of here. But do you keep 1:17:03.320 --> 1:17:06.600 it in the fridge or not? Now, my wife is 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:10.840 insistent the chocolate goes in the fridge, and I'm not 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:13.120 a big fan on that. But in some cases, yeah, 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:17.920 certain chocolate bars, but Mars bars I don't think belong 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:19.960 in the fridge because then when you chew into the 1:17:20.160 --> 1:17:23.559 newgar caramel, it almost rips your fillings out. You want 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:26.559 them soft, in the inside and so it's horses for cause. Anyway, 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:29.760 the UK Telegraph's done a bit of a show, we say, 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:33.080 scientific study on some different types of chocolate bars and 1:17:33.120 --> 1:17:35.560 whether they're better to chill or not to chill. 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:37.439 I'll throw that your way and. 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:41.679 Get your expert take family of chocolate loving listeners between 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:42.519 now and three. 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:54.599 O'clock now one afternoons Friday. Food Well. 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.719 I mentioned this last week, but looks some sad news 1:17:56.760 --> 1:18:00.519 for the hospitality scene in Sydney because a great culturals 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:03.360 about to change hands. Rudy Deats he owns one of 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:06.720 Sidney's oldest restaurants, Stuyvesant's House. No many of you have 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:09.480 been there over the years. It's known for its German hospitality, 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:13.599 extraordinary food, located in Crowsness, but the property is about 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:15.760 to go under the hammer. I think the auctions next 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:18.879 week in fact, and Rudy himself is looking to retire, 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:21.599 but who could blame him after decades at the top. 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:24.519 It'll be sorely missed though by people all over Sydney. 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:26.120 And when I mentioned this last week many of you 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:29.639 made that point. Memories came flooding back. For decades many 1:18:29.640 --> 1:18:33.160 have enjoyed the authentic German and European offerings on the menu, 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:35.960 and they're not easy to get in Sydney these days. 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:39.960 The pork knuckle, of course famous, the Stetzel, the extensive 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:42.960 and expansive wine list. Probably they're almost better known for 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:46.200 that than the food. It's all at Stuyvesant House and 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:49.000 it's been in Rudy's trusted hands with his brother Max 1:18:49.439 --> 1:18:51.439 for decades. But as they say, all good things have 1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:53.080 to come to an end. But before it ends, I 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:55.439 wanted to speak to Rudy and share my thanks for 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:57.200 the wonderful meals I've had there a no doubt on 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:59.280 behalf of many of you, and he's on the line 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.960 with us, the owner of Stuyvesant's House in Crosn's really date, 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:03.760 Good afternoon, and thank you for your time. 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:04.080 Rudy. 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:07.160 You will come anytime. 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:08.960 It's been an incredible ride. 1:19:09.439 --> 1:19:12.800 The hospitality trade in Sydney's tough, as you've told me 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:14.240 before when we've been dining there. 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:16.480 How did you survive all of these years? 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.280 Well, if you're on a good thing, stick to it 1:19:21.400 --> 1:19:24.080 and always do it right. What do you think is right? 1:19:24.439 --> 1:19:28.920 I think that's the main thing, and hospitality is a 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:33.120 great word. And one third of all the world's people 1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:39.040 working there are in hospitality. And you know, looking after people. 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:43.000 You're not cleaning windows, you're not changing tires. There's nothing 1:19:43.000 --> 1:19:45.840 wrong with their job eitherle but you're looking after people. 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:48.360 You're looking after their health, they're looking after their food 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:51.880 and a nice class of wine. Like we say, a 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:55.360 day without vine is like a day without sunshine. And 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:59.920 it makes it all good. Nice table around, everybody is around, 1:20:00.680 --> 1:20:02.960 and they're all friends, and they're all talking to each other, 1:20:03.760 --> 1:20:08.960 business discussions, whatever. It's fantastic, it's great. It's a good job. 1:20:08.960 --> 1:20:11.200 I wouldn't do anything else in my life. I would 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:11.719 do it again. 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:13.519 Let's go back to the start. 1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:15.800 I remember speaking to you on a number of occasions 1:20:15.840 --> 1:20:18.880 there as you were delivering that hospitality to me at 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:20.559 my table, and you made the point that you know 1:20:20.640 --> 1:20:24.240 you were I suppose we'd say, classically trained in this, 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:27.880 in this profession, and you treated it as a profession. 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:31.280 And there was something I think you said was you 1:20:31.439 --> 1:20:36.360 lamented to a degree that there's not enough people or 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:40.280 institutions in Australia that treat hospitality as a profession. It's 1:20:40.280 --> 1:20:42.920 almost just a way to make money for some people 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:45.559 as they go through university or something. So do we 1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:49.160 in Australia generally lack that professional aspect of hospitality. 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:54.000 Well, if you go to Europe, it is a profession. 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:58.439 And when I say people saying to me, how long 1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:03.120 you've been in the game, I really rechecked this. I 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:05.320 said to him, I'm not in a game. I'm in 1:21:05.360 --> 1:21:09.920 a business. I did four year apprenticeship in the Black Forest, 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:15.160 one year in Austria and four years in Switzerland just 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:18.320 to get to know things. In Germany views to cook 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.920 with oil and margarine. In Switzerland we cooked with cream 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:26.559 and battle. So I learned the halfway. And you learn 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:31.759 from scratch. You learn from the bottom up. And it's 1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:33.480 in building you. 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:33.120 You. 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:40.600 It's it's your status. You it just made it. It's 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:44.400 And I came to Australia in nineteen seventy on the 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:49.120 third of October, and I've been opening up a few 1:21:49.160 --> 1:21:52.400 restaurants for other people and they're all being successful and 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:57.599 my place after people say sometimes because I'm a bit 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:01.559 naughty or a bit straightforward, I said to him, hey, 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:03.720 look i'm there fifty three years. I wouldn't be there 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:10.439 fifty fifty three years if I did everything wrong. I 1:22:10.560 --> 1:22:14.280 might have stood on some people's clothes, or I said 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:17.920 something wrong, or I at best on the wrong way 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:21.840 because I didn't know any better. I'm sorry, but that's 1:22:21.840 --> 1:22:22.360 how it is. 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:23.280 That's right. 1:22:23.640 --> 1:22:26.160 October three, nineteen seventy is a date you obviously remember. 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:28.400 Why Why did you come to Australia, Because, as you said, 1:22:28.280 --> 1:22:31.479 the hospitality scene in Europe is the best in the world. 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:33.920 The training's there at the fine restaurants, so there, Why 1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:35.000 make the journey out here? 1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:39.479 Okay, it's a bit of a story. Our father was 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:44.320 in stalin guard and he said, young ones, I'd done 1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:48.080 enough for you. So I went to neutral country. Austria 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:50.720 is nutros Vittal and is neutral. I didn't want to 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.599 go to the army, so I thought, I come two 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:58.320 years to Australia, and I got stuck. I got married, 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:02.879 got two children, I got stuck again for another two children, 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:07.760 and I'm here. I've got four kids. And I called 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:09.120 my father and I believe them. 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:12.840 I love you. So you got stack. 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:16.479 There's worse places to get stack, obviously you mentioned over 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:20.439 the all these decades of hospitality, though not not everyone 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:23.320 that comes in as just a client. Some become friends 1:23:23.360 --> 1:23:24.599 over that time, don't. 1:23:24.360 --> 1:23:29.080 They absolutely, And with tears in my eyes, I would 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:32.679 I have to walk out here because people were here 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:35.559 in the last few days. They've been coming here for 1:23:35.560 --> 1:23:38.519 forty years, and they have their children next to them, 1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:43.120 and I just have to turn around because I get teary. 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:49.439 I just it's just amazing journey. And you know, kids 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:52.160 come in and I call you Uncle Rudy or Uncle Max. 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:56.640 It is just absolutely fantastic. It is, it is. It 1:23:56.800 --> 1:24:01.479 is a great job, and it's great to have people 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:05.760 like this that don't go out without saying goodbye. They 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:08.400 come from table number sixteen, which is by the window. 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:10.400 They come all the way to the kitchen to thank 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:13.200 you and to embase you and say see you later. 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:17.799 All the best, and you know, Christmas and New Year's 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:21.240 we talk to each other either over the telephone or 1:24:21.320 --> 1:24:26.000 saying hello to each other. It's a family. It's a big, big, big, 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:29.120 big family. It's a big family. Stuyvesant's House is a 1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:32.799 big family. And if I ever upset somebody, I'm sorry, 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:36.920 but it's just my stupid German mouth. I can't help. 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:40.439 But it's just straight forward. Some people like it, some 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:41.200 people don't. 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:44.320 I'm married to a German lady, So I understand what 1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:49.920 you're talking about. The food, of course, is the celebration 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:52.000 of the restaurant. That's been the corner stone of the 1:24:52.040 --> 1:24:54.280 success all of these decades. And we've got to talk 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:56.679 about Max, your brother, don't we, because I mean he's 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.280 slaving away in the kitchen as you're working hard out 1:24:59.280 --> 1:24:59.760 on the floor. 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:00.719 You made it. 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:07.280 Well, Max, Max has the tired and he does his 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:10.559 own thing. Now I'm in the kitchen back where I 1:25:10.600 --> 1:25:15.160 started when I first opened the restaurant in nineteen seventy three, 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:19.599 to go from Bernard DeJong, a fantastic chef, a Dutch gentleman, 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:25.400 absolute gentleman, and you know, been going ever since. And 1:25:25.439 --> 1:25:29.880 then Max came back, or he came in five years 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:32.600 later than me and helped me at the restaurant, and 1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:35.000 he opened up his own restaurant and didn't come back. 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:38.080 And it was a good journey. It was a good journey. 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:42.240 It was a good It's something you cannot repeat. When 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:45.280 I went to the fish market to bought something and 1:25:45.360 --> 1:25:48.519 I said to Max, can you get me something like this, 1:25:48.520 --> 1:25:51.000 this and this and this, and he already had it 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:53.680 in his hand. It was like mental celebrity. It was 1:25:54.920 --> 1:25:59.880 a transformation without words. It's it's it can't be a 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.360 But unfortunately that has come to an end too. I'm 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:07.920 very sad about it. But have a look. Each one 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:09.840 goes our own way with it. 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:12.439 This way, that's light, that's life, and you're going your 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:15.559 own way out of Stuyvesant House. I assume the name 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:18.960 will live on. Hopefully someone buys it next week at 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:20.600 auction and it carries on. 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:27.320 Right, Well, we see how it go. It's it's not 1:26:27.439 --> 1:26:30.800 with an easy half, okay, because there's a lot of 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:37.320 half blood in this restaurant every day, day and night 1:26:38.040 --> 1:26:41.639 to come in, open the door, go to the fish 1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:44.799 market at five o'clock in the morning, or the Virtue Market, 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:48.880 taking your trolley getting the vegetables and whistling along and 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:52.360 saying hello to everybody, all the Italian friends which I 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:55.839 have at the Virtue Market. And it's amazing. It's it's 1:26:56.280 --> 1:27:01.000 it's it's a culture. It's a culture, and the culture 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:05.960 is embedded in Europe and it's certainly has taken on 1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:08.920 in Australia. When I first came here, they used to 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:12.240 drink wine out of bound paper bag because they weren't 1:27:12.280 --> 1:27:15.080 allowed to drink alcohol. Open on the road and have 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:17.600 a look at Bob because now fifty years, I'm so 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:20.920 happy to be fifty years involved in the Australian wine industry. 1:27:21.360 --> 1:27:25.360 The wine has grown so much, so fantastic, beautiful wines 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:29.679 and if you store them, probably have evidence of the wine. 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:32.960 And you give them to people and they're enjoying it 1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:37.559 and they say wow, because it's just delightful to have 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.400 a thirty or forty old wine and it just falls 1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:43.800 over your tongue and has an elegance to it and 1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:46.960 a body to it. It's fabulous. It's magic. It's just 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:50.840 in this type of goal. It's just fabulous. And then, 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:54.080 like you said, the folk knuckles. But last night I 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:57.320 made some wheel filets and they're melded in the mouth 1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:00.599 that pats a part of it, and take them all 1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:03.439 down in the cellar because there's not enough. 1:28:03.280 --> 1:28:05.439 Woom speaking of a cellar, because that was everyone's fear 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:07.400 when the big fire happened, that the cellar would go, 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:10.320 but it survived. What what happens to the contents of 1:28:10.360 --> 1:28:11.519 the cellar when you sell? 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:15.360 Well, I've got a warehouse in length Off and I'm 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:18.400 gonna do a little wine shop and sell the wine 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:22.640 when I feel. When I'm in Australia, I like to 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:25.080 travel a little bit. I like to go overseas. I 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:29.200 like maybe do a nice little bruise or just spend 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:31.559 some time in Southeast Asia. I'd like to go to 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:36.519 China anything. I mean, the world is open, the Western 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:39.519 world is still open, and you can travel. It'd be great, 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:43.600 But we don't know how long. Maybe I'm lucky and 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:44.839 I find a nice partner. 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:47.479 You never know. 1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:49.880 Excuse me, Have you got a sister? 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:50.320 I got. 1:28:52.560 --> 1:28:57.240 No, I don't, but I'll think for you and I'll 1:28:57.240 --> 1:29:00.280 see if i can come up with some solutions. 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:03.040 Call anytime. 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:07.560 I'm ready, all right, wonderful to speak to you. Congratulations 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.200 on all of those decades of success. 1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:11.840 Yes, thank you very much. All the very best to 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:13.880 your two and thank you for calling my pleasure. 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:16.920 Rudy Deats he's a legend in the hospitality scene, one 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:18.880 of the best, and the owner of Starves at. 1:29:18.760 --> 1:29:20.080 House Willie on the Texas. 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:21.840 If you like German and Austrian food, you've got to 1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:24.240 get to jaeger Stuba at Schofield. 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:24.720 He said. 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:27.360 It's sort of a beer hall type thing and great 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:29.439 drinks as well, and Oscar is going to make you welcome. 1:29:29.479 --> 1:29:31.599 All right, I'll drop that one down because I'm always 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:33.840 looking for good food of that part of Europe. I 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:37.040 like that sort of food, but you can't find it everywhere, 1:29:37.080 --> 1:29:40.400 So all right, Jaeger Stuba, that'schofield. Thanks for the tip, William, 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:43.200 I appreciate that. Just before we get to Clinton, the situation 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:46.840 in the Middle East continues to unfold, obviously, and I 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:49.160 guess it's only a matter of time until certain airlines 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:52.040 say it's too risky, which I'm certainly keeping an eye on, 1:29:52.080 --> 1:29:54.080 because as you know, next week I'm taking a bunch 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:56.240 of well a week after next for a lot of 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:58.720 our listeners, so we're heading over to Europe for a 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:02.040 cruise with our sponsors Travel right, and so I've got 1:30:02.040 --> 1:30:04.280 a commercial arrangement with them. But that's all going to 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.280 be taking place in the coming weeks, and many people 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:11.240 will be, no doubt flying en route to Europe via 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:13.080 the Middle East, because that's what happens with a lot 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:16.040 of the airlines these days. So everyone will be checking 1:30:16.800 --> 1:30:20.800 their respective airlines and tickets. But I see here this 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:24.240 has just come through that two American airliners have stopped 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:26.559 regular flight routes to the Middle East. Amid all of 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:30.360 these escalating tensions. American airlines are going to suspend their 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:34.439 flights to Doha and Kata, and United Airlines have made 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:37.799 the same decision about flights to Dubai and the UAE. 1:30:39.600 --> 1:30:43.360 Now it's important to stress that Qatar, the UAE and 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:47.160 Dubai are not being hit by missiles. These are missiles 1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:52.360 going between Israel and Iran, often over Saudi airspace or 1:30:52.439 --> 1:30:56.960 Jordanian airspace or something like that. But these American airlines 1:30:57.000 --> 1:31:00.400 have decided it's too risky. Both airlines said they're monitoring 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:03.920 the situation and they're working to rebook customers. And as 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:06.880 the article with AP says, the move from the US 1:31:06.960 --> 1:31:10.920 airlines follows similar cancelations by dozens of other carriers which 1:31:10.920 --> 1:31:14.080 had already canceled a large number of services to cities 1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:17.559 between Israel and Iran and Jordan. Now I can understand 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:19.800 those flights being canceled, but when you look at a 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:24.560 map Dubai, for example, and also the UAE, which is 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:28.960 Emirates Edti Hads home base, they are at that northern 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:31.920 tip of the Arabian Peninsula, not far from the Strait 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:35.160 of Homwitz, and there is a lot of concern that 1:31:35.960 --> 1:31:39.680 if the next step will be taken by Israel or 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:44.960 Iran to try to leverage a stronger position here, that 1:31:44.960 --> 1:31:49.960 that very narrow body of water between the Arabian Peninsula 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:52.960 and what we used to call Persia will be blocked 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:56.679 or bombed, and that would be getting very very close 1:31:56.920 --> 1:31:59.559 for comfort for a lot of those airlines that service 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:01.599 the Australia into Europe market, for example. 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:04.920 So keep an eye on this. It is forever unfolding. 1:32:05.520 --> 1:32:08.639 It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:10.679 what's coming up on Sydney now. 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:15.040 For the Serrato successor the turbo charged Kak four kias 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:18.920 on new small sedan GT line very unavailable. Now find 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:21.160 out more about Kia's latest small car. 1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:24.840 Well there he is, Clinton Maynard, Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Michael. 1:32:24.880 --> 1:32:27.160 Will certainly keep our listeners aggressive for the developments in 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:29.679 the Middle East, and there is more news about airlines, 1:32:29.680 --> 1:32:33.639 particularly given it's such a such a hubbyist route now 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:37.040 for Australian based passengers, whether they're flying the Middle East 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:39.120 in the airways or the others, will be across all that. 1:32:39.439 --> 1:32:41.320 I'll try to keep up to date with what's happening 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:43.680 in mcquarie Street at the moment. So the Usher of 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:46.960 the Black Rod has his j has keys rattling around 1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:49.320 in his back pocket in the moment, just figuring out 1:32:49.360 --> 1:32:50.800 what the process is from here on. 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:51.280 Joking. 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:54.519 Look, what's going on at the moment is unprecedented with 1:32:54.640 --> 1:33:00.439 the demand to arrest five staff. But that's actually what's 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:03.960 the outcome of this parliamentary inquiry today because the five staff, 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:06.240 as I was explaining to Mark leeby this morning, didn't 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:08.640 arrive and that they did submit a letter asking to 1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:11.439 be excused, but that was rejected by the committee's chairman. 1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:16.960 Because that has occurred, the committee now puts the issue 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:19.879 over to the President of the Upper House, Ben Franklin. 1:33:20.200 --> 1:33:22.120 So it's now to Ben Franklin. 1:33:22.160 --> 1:33:23.880 But there's a lot of hurdles to go through. 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:26.439 Before the Usher of the Black World was actually arresting people, 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:29.799 or it's the sergeant at arms or the other police 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:33.160 sewer based at Parliament House, Ben Franklin has to convince 1:33:33.200 --> 1:33:36.280 a Supreme Court justice that there are grounds to make 1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:40.519 an arrest five arrests here And. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:41.800 It all sounds very guy forksis, doesn't it. 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:44.120 All of this There's also the issue, as I've been 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:46.360 discussing on my show yesterday but also today, that that 1:33:46.439 --> 1:33:50.120 Ben Franklin has issues here about his own position. 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:51.680 He was an ex NAT, wasn't he. 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:56.160 He was the ex nat who was recruited by Chris Mins, 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:58.920 and he's reasonably close to mister Min's out of politics, 1:33:59.080 --> 1:34:02.840 and if he was to refuse the request to make 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:05.920 the application of the Supreme Court, there could be no 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:10.240 confidence in him on Tuesday, which puts it risk his 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:12.439 three hundred thousand dollars a year job, and he's fancy 1:34:12.439 --> 1:34:14.519 office and so forth, so he will also be torn. 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:17.200 He's not in Sydney at the moment's my understanding. So look, 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:18.519 there's a lot of water to the flow under the 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:20.680 bridge here. I don't think the five staff members are 1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:22.200 going to be spending the weekend in the lock up, 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:24.040 and they wouldn't actually be going off to jail. And 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:26.479 I have confirmed there is no dungeon underneath stars. 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:28.760 I was going to say, theoretically, where does one lock 1:34:28.840 --> 1:34:31.519 them up well in the dining room or what. 1:34:31.640 --> 1:34:34.679 There was a thought that there were certain dungeons under 1:34:35.439 --> 1:34:38.960 It's very old building, right, and both political parties have 1:34:39.040 --> 1:34:43.479 dirt units that dig up information on people within their 1:34:43.520 --> 1:34:45.800 own parties. So there was a suggestion maybe this dirt 1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:48.760 you know, underneath Parliament House in Macquarie Street, and they 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:53.320 could use that premises as a temporary jail for these parliamentary. 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:55.000 Operatives, rogues, the stooges. 1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:58.080 What it actually happened is so if this if a 1:34:58.120 --> 1:35:01.719 Supreme Court justice ordered their arrest, they would most likely 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:06.439 have the officers at the Parliament would most lockily knock 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:08.840 on the door, although they're based in a different building 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:12.120 in the city. They probably confined them to their parliamentary 1:35:12.160 --> 1:35:16.760 office until they're physically taken into the mcquarie room, which 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:19.400 is where this inquiry has been conducted, and sit there 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.120 and take questions. They won't be behind bars. 1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:26.559 So it's all very cosplay in all ways. All right, Okay, 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:30.200 so we await all of that wonderful theatrics in the meantime, 1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:31.040 what else are you covering? 1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:34.800 I'm really excited to be speaking to either Davies after 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:37.000 If you think about the hits that Ice House pro 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:40.679 Juice back in particularly in the nineteen eighties, Man of Colors, 1:35:40.720 --> 1:35:44.439 which was the first album I owned on cassette, so 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:47.880 it would have been around eighty six eighty seven, five 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:51.480 singles married to the Australian top ten from Man of Colors. 1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:54.000 So looking forward to talking to I legendies about that 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:55.840 wonderful Okay, look forward to listening to that. Thank you 1:35:55.880 --> 1:35:59.120 Clinton Clinton Maynard was sitting now straight after three o'clock. 1:36:03.560 --> 1:36:05.639 Now let's get the latest news eron Margaret after. 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:09.080 The good afternoon. Michael of Parliamentary Inquiries considering further action 1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:12.120 after senior government staffers didn't turn up to give evidence 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:15.559 over the Dural caravan incident. The federal government's being urged 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:18.120 to engage more broadly on the issue of digital health 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:21.720 as it gets closer to introducing social media age restrictions. 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:24.640 New South Wales Health has issued and alert after a 1:36:24.720 --> 1:36:27.680 traveler infected with measles fluid as Sydney from Vietnam on 1:36:27.800 --> 1:36:31.080 Monday morning, and firefighters have launched a b Fire Safe 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:35.400 Winter campaign identifying older Australians and those with disabilities as 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:38.400 the most at risk in the winter months. In Sport, 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:41.879 dozens of people required medical assistance because of heat related 1:36:41.960 --> 1:36:44.920 illnesses on the second day of racing at Royal Ascot, 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:48.639 just outside London. The event attracted over forty one thousand 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:53.640 spectators with temperatures peaking at twenty nine degrees. There'll be 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:56.400 more news at three o'clock on afternoons. 1:36:56.560 --> 1:37:01.439 A finance update for Pretzel, Wealth and Finance, Trusted Financial Planning, 1:37:01.680 --> 1:37:02.200 just Google. 1:37:02.400 --> 1:37:03.680 Blake went to Pretzel. 1:37:04.200 --> 1:37:06.040 It's hard to believe, isn't if they had an empire 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.960 and they all start falling over twenty nine Celsius. Let's 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:11.400 get the latest from the stock market. Of course, that's 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:13.200 one to watch at the moment with everything going on. 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:15.320 Scott Phillips from the Motley fool Full dot com. 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:17.920 Dot la Scott Michael Good afternoon, Good grief. 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:19.920 They sent the tough ones down here, didn't they? Pearly 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:23.559 over twenty nine at Ascott Good unbelievable. Is the chill 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:27.639 Champagne enough? One of the big four accounting firms PwC Australia, 1:37:27.680 --> 1:37:29.240 they might have a few at Ascott Family Enough. 1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:31.680 The profits slumped seventeen percent. 1:37:32.040 --> 1:37:35.080 Yeah, big fall a third lower in total since the 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:38.000 accounting got the cut government contract scandal of a couple. 1:37:37.880 --> 1:37:38.479 Of years ago. 1:37:39.000 --> 1:37:40.320 They are doing well. I was going to say they're 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:43.200 doing it tough. I wouldn't say that necessarily. Revenues down 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:47.360 six percent, profits down seventeen percent. The average partner six 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:49.160 hundred and twenty eight of them still managed to walk 1:37:49.200 --> 1:37:51.840 away with seven hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars, so 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:53.840 they're going to be okay, mate, speaking of it, Speaking 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:55.160 of it, For the Chill Champaign to be able tofford 1:37:55.160 --> 1:37:57.760 a little bit of that, it's a yeah. Look, it's 1:37:57.800 --> 1:38:00.479 been a fall from gra from PwC reputation wise more 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:02.920 than anything, particularly a lot of those government contracts, and 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:05.120 that's what's behind a lot of this revenue loss. Got 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:07.599 to say, though only six percent fall, you'd be pretty 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:10.599 happy that given what happened, given the reputational damage they took. 1:38:10.680 --> 1:38:13.639 So yes, down should be deserved to be, frankly, I think. 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:16.920 But hopefully for them, they'll turn this thing around. Hopefully 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:18.920 for the rest of us, they can put that wall 1:38:18.960 --> 1:38:21.160 between government work and other private client work and make 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:22.920 sure that we're being looked after. I'm sure they made 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:25.400 those changes already, by the way, so that should be 1:38:25.640 --> 1:38:26.280 the story. 1:38:26.000 --> 1:38:26.599 Of the future. 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.759 But PwC, Yes, revenue down, profits down, but still doing okay. 1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:30.360 Okay. 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:32.800 Now, the markets and the dollar, I mean a lot 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:35.920 of focus on oil and energy stockside. Imagine CBA, though 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:37.800 that still seems to be rollicking along. We might have 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:40.000 a look at that next week. But broadly, how are 1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:40.400 we going? 1:38:40.880 --> 1:38:43.000 Yeah, another record for CBA this week, by the way, 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:46.120 doing remarkably well. The market's underwater, but we've actually halved 1:38:46.120 --> 1:38:48.400 our losses. About midday was the low point of the day, 1:38:48.560 --> 1:38:50.840 so still down, but by two tenths of one percent. 1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:53.080 It was down about double ad as I said, seven 1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:56.240 hundred and twenty six points for the all ordinaries. Meanwhile, 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:58.120 in the currency markets, the dollar is down against the 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:00.519 era on the pound, but only up. Actually, buy a 1:39:00.520 --> 1:39:02.320 tup now against the US dollar a tenth of a 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:05.479 percent of the good sixty four point nine one US aps. 1:39:05.520 --> 1:39:08.200 Actually, just by one more minute of your time, Scot, 1:39:08.280 --> 1:39:10.600 just quickly on CBA, because you know most people have 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:12.880 shares in it through their superfund, I'd imagine, but just 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:14.080 quickly on the movement all of. 1:39:14.040 --> 1:39:15.559 These record stock highs. 1:39:15.680 --> 1:39:18.599 How much of that is reflecting genuine value in the 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:22.479 brand or how much is simply money leaving, let's say, 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.479 other socks that are deemed more risky and moving to 1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:31.240 a perceived safe haven. Because I'm no stock picker or economists. 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:33.479 But you look at the valuation of CBA and how 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:35.160 much it's gone up the last twelve months, do you 1:39:35.160 --> 1:39:37.840 think is is that based off the actual value of 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:39.679 the bank or is there something else going on here. 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:41.479 I don't think it can be, Michael. I think you 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:43.479 absolutely nailed it. Is a bit of the grew six 1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:46.120 percent last year, which is not bad. The other banks 1:39:46.120 --> 1:39:48.920 were pretty flat, so it's done pretty well. Pe Rashow 1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:52.040 price to Earning's Racehof twenty nine times now the average 1:39:52.040 --> 1:39:55.000 from the market closer to sixteen or seventeen times, so 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:59.280 not far off double the price you're paying CBA, by 1:39:59.320 --> 1:40:01.800 the way across the morning, So I reckon it's a sell. 1:40:02.360 --> 1:40:05.679 The consensus estimates I've seen there's two holes, five moderate cells, 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:08.559 and nine strong cells. Everybody is selling you these things 1:40:08.600 --> 1:40:10.040 over the value. But it keeps going out because people 1:40:10.080 --> 1:40:12.720 keep buying the shares. I think it is Mate. There's 1:40:12.760 --> 1:40:15.440 a acrium in the trade, Tina. There is no alternative. 1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:17.400 I think right now people are looking at that saying, well, 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:19.080 I could be somewhere else, or I could be with CBA. 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:20.920 I know that I trust them. They have done well 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:23.160 for forty years. I guess I'll stick my money there. 1:40:23.280 --> 1:40:25.240 The risk for investors, of course, is even when that 1:40:25.320 --> 1:40:27.600 trade unwinds and people start selling and going back to 1:40:27.640 --> 1:40:30.120 other things, there may be downside for the share price. 1:40:30.120 --> 1:40:31.280 So you got to be careful what you wish for. 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:33.800 Good for now, hopefully shareholders on the stage where it is, 1:40:33.800 --> 1:40:36.000 by the way, but a risk given the valuation and 1:40:36.000 --> 1:40:38.479 by the way, that price earnings ratio more than double 1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:40.679 the average of the other three of the big four banks. 1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:42.840 So I teld you how much investors love CBA, but 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:45.320 also how stretched that valuation probably is. 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:46.360 Yeah, I'm glad I asked. 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:48.640 Okay, have a good Friday. Thank you, Scott, appreciate all 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:50.960 of that. Thanks Michael Scott Phillips. 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:53.559 Chief investment officer from the Motley full dot com dot you. 1:40:55.360 --> 1:40:57.320 GV Winter Wheel. 1:40:58.160 --> 1:40:59.439 Oh okay, well there it is. 1:40:59.600 --> 1:41:01.880 Okay, call a ten please, we need call a number 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:04.800 ten on the prize line right now. One three hundred 1:41:04.880 --> 1:41:07.639 seven double two eight seven three One three hundred seven 1:41:07.680 --> 1:41:09.479 double two eight seven three will take a break. 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:10.960 In a moment, Joel will warm up his. 1:41:11.000 --> 1:41:14.960 Magic hands, or so he tells me, and we will 1:41:15.000 --> 1:41:18.200 spend that wee all hopefully we can give away a 1:41:18.240 --> 1:41:20.120 lot of money, but you're not going to lose no 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:21.639 matter what comes up, You're going to be in front. 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:24.599 So call a ten now, prize line one three hundred 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:27.559 seven double two eight seven three up to forty thousand 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:29.599 dollars worth of cash and prizes to be. 1:41:29.600 --> 1:41:30.720 Won after this. 1:41:30.880 --> 1:41:32.360 Now we've got track of the day coming up, so 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:34.799 there is another chance to win something for listening. 1:41:35.200 --> 1:41:36.880 But let's do the winter Wheel. 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:41.960 We have Damiens sitting there waiting to take something home. Damian, 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:43.880 you're not going to go empty handed. But I suppose 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:45.680 twenty five hundred in cash would be kind of nice, 1:41:45.680 --> 1:41:46.120 wouldn't it. 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:49.000 Oh, that'd be a fantastic right away in the work, 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:50.160 I think, Michael, what do you reckon? 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:50.840 I think? So? 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:53.320 All right, yes, well I'm not in the running, but 1:41:53.360 --> 1:41:55.160 I'd love to give it to you. All Right, here 1:41:55.160 --> 1:41:57.880 we go, Joel, it's not it's look, let me just 1:41:57.920 --> 1:42:00.000 put it this way as a caveat, as a legal statement. 1:42:00.600 --> 1:42:02.880 Whatever happens has nothing to do with me. I'm not 1:42:02.920 --> 1:42:05.120 spinning the wheel. Joel is all right. 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:09.640 So if you're lucky, yeah, sorry. 1:42:09.479 --> 1:42:11.200 I was gonna say if you're lucky, it's thanks to Joel. 1:42:11.200 --> 1:42:13.759 If you're unlucky. I'll give you his home address. Okay, 1:42:13.800 --> 1:42:14.400 so here we. 1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:15.240 Go, Here you go. 1:42:15.360 --> 1:42:16.799 I'll do my best way you hear, Damien. 1:42:16.840 --> 1:42:21.000 Here we go, round you go, Joel, beautiful spin go 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:22.000 Look at that action. 1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:25.439 All in the rest he's been practicing. Okay, where are we? 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:26.040 Where are we? 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:26.200 All? 1:42:26.240 --> 1:42:28.599 Keep going, keep going, keep going? Fifteen hundred. 1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:34.280 That's pretty good, beauty, one thousand and five hundred, thanks 1:42:34.280 --> 1:42:37.000 to Joel. Now that'll take six months to get to 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:39.040 you because that's half a year's salary for him. 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:41.840 But there you go. Damien, you fleeced him and it's 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:43.160 all going to you. Well done. What are you going 1:42:43.200 --> 1:42:44.800 to do with fifteen hundred dollars? 1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:45.519 Oh? 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:45.840 Mate? 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:48.280 You know how it is, tobby K one or two bills. Yeah, 1:42:48.439 --> 1:42:49.360 go after dinner and that. 1:42:49.320 --> 1:42:50.160 Sort of thing, you know. 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:53.720 Enjoy some of it, yeah, exactly. 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:55.640 Enjoy some good on your Damien, well done, thanks for 1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:56.719 being loyal to two GB. 1:42:56.880 --> 1:42:58.120 There you go. It's pretty straightforward. 1:42:58.160 --> 1:43:01.559 Damien was calling number ten, Joel spun the wheel, and 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.960 Damien walks away with fifteen hundred dollars minus Joel's cut 1:43:05.000 --> 1:43:08.760 whatever the percentages, I'm not yet sure. Well, well dam 1:43:08.840 --> 1:43:12.000 in fifteen hundred dollars. We love supporting our loyal listeners. 1:43:12.080 --> 1:43:14.320 We'll be spending the wheel in breakfast mornings afternoons in 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:17.000 Sydney now with Clinton. So of course Clinton coming up 1:43:17.040 --> 1:43:19.759 after three stayed listening for your chance to win big 1:43:20.200 --> 1:43:24.000 on Sydney's two GB one three one eight seven three 1:43:24.000 --> 1:43:25.240 of the open line number. 1:43:25.280 --> 1:43:28.759 Now, chocolate. I was going to ask you about chocolate, 1:43:28.840 --> 1:43:29.439 wasn't it. Yes? 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:32.920 Okay, So there's this story in the UK Telegraph and 1:43:32.960 --> 1:43:35.599 it's debating one of these it's not age old because 1:43:35.600 --> 1:43:38.120 we haven't had refrigeration forever, have we, But nor have 1:43:38.200 --> 1:43:39.000 we had chocolate forever. 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:40.960 But what to do with chocolate? 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:43.439 Is it best stored in the fridge or is it 1:43:43.479 --> 1:43:45.599 best left in the cupboard. Now, I'm a cupbed kind 1:43:45.600 --> 1:43:48.040 of guy. My wife likes to put the chocolate in 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:50.160 the fridge. I will eat it out of the fridge. 1:43:50.160 --> 1:43:53.160 I'm not that fussy. But I think, you know, certain 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:56.360 maybe it's maybe I should say certain chocolates don't belong 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:57.000 in the fridge. 1:43:57.320 --> 1:43:59.320 I'm just going to say that as a statement. If 1:43:59.320 --> 1:44:01.040 you've got or something they. 1:44:01.000 --> 1:44:03.519 Don't belong, they should be soft in the center, have 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:06.519 them in the have them in the capboard. But this 1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:08.400 I think is coming out of the UK now because 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:09.920 you know, as you heard in the news, they're having 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:12.439 these sweltering conditions, you know, it's twenty nine degrees. 1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:14.120 Don't have the in its virtue. 1:44:14.720 --> 1:44:16.960 So the debates on should the chocolate go into the 1:44:16.960 --> 1:44:18.639 fridge or otherwise we really end up with some sort 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:22.280 of big, brown, messy puddle of sweetness. Well, according to 1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:25.439 recent research, fifty three percent of the palms regularly keep 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:28.559 their chocolate in the fridge, insisting it makes for a 1:44:28.600 --> 1:44:34.520 more refreshing way to get their summer fix. But traditionalists 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:38.479 are appalled. They point out that the cold dulls the 1:44:38.520 --> 1:44:42.320 flavor of the chocolate, and it does. Cold dulls the 1:44:42.360 --> 1:44:45.280 flavor of everything. If you want a really good tasting tomato, 1:44:45.360 --> 1:44:47.200 you don't leave it in the fridge because it'll kill 1:44:47.200 --> 1:44:49.120 a lot of the flavors. Same for fruit and what 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:52.160 so chocolate's no different anyway. So they've done the hard 1:44:52.160 --> 1:44:53.720 work for us here. I mean, this must have been 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:58.120 extremely strenuous, high level research. But they've gone through and 1:44:58.160 --> 1:45:00.240 listed a few things that we would certainly recogniz I've 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:01.720 got a couple of things over there we don't get. 1:45:01.760 --> 1:45:03.920 But Cadbury dairy milk we know about that. 1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:06.640 The verdict is chill it. That should go on the 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:09.600 chill put it in the fridge. Tob larone. That's a 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:12.400 bit controversial. They say the toblaron should go in the fridge. 1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:16.280 I mean, I know it's sort of reminiscent of a 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:20.720 Swiss Alpine peak, but I think toblerone's better unchilled. 1:45:20.800 --> 1:45:21.479 But that's just me. 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:25.160 Now, they've got to think over there called Tony's Chocoalony 1:45:25.240 --> 1:45:26.000 milk chocolate. 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:28.800 I think we have that. We do, Joel says we do. 1:45:28.880 --> 1:45:29.559 I've never bought it. 1:45:29.600 --> 1:45:33.959 But if you like Tony's Chocoalony something rather, you don't chill. 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.160 That apparently, I don't know why you don't, but you 1:45:36.240 --> 1:45:39.479 do dairy milk. I don't know. Then there's the Green 1:45:39.720 --> 1:45:40.800 and Blacks. 1:45:42.280 --> 1:45:46.639 White chocolate, and they say that's okay either way. 1:45:46.960 --> 1:45:47.479 So there you go. 1:45:47.520 --> 1:45:53.519 That's one for the undecided lint. You don't chill lint. No, 1:45:53.640 --> 1:45:55.879 well you shouldn't because it's got that really soft creamy 1:45:55.920 --> 1:45:58.360 like you know, like why would you do that. Ferrero 1:45:58.560 --> 1:46:03.200 Rocher milk chocolate, a hazelnut bar. They say that goes 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:07.759 in the fridge. Okay, Cadbury dairy milk with the caramel 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:13.760 inside always chill. Really, I would have thought you wanted 1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:17.759 the caramel center to be really ooey and gooey and whatever. 1:46:17.800 --> 1:46:20.639 The other seven dwarves were right, Why would you want 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:23.240 that chilled? And then Mars bars? I see, this is 1:46:23.240 --> 1:46:25.840 the one they say to chill it. I understand, but no, 1:46:26.200 --> 1:46:28.519 I mean again, you want the caramel and the newgard 1:46:28.520 --> 1:46:32.640 to be soft, maybe just temporarily five minutes, just to 1:46:33.280 --> 1:46:35.559 knock the edge on the chocolate. But the rest of it, no, 1:46:35.960 --> 1:46:38.479 you don't want that hard. The last thing when you're 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:40.680 going to have a treat is to then take your 1:46:40.680 --> 1:46:43.040 filling out right, So why would you do it anyway? 1:46:43.200 --> 1:46:44.920 You might want to throw your two bobs worth in 1:46:44.960 --> 1:46:46.720 on that. There's no prize on offer. You just might 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:49.280 want to share your wisdom over the years of chilling 1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:50.719 or non chilling your chocolates. 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:53.519 One three one eight seven three. No, you don't put 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:54.360 the Mars bar in the fridge. 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:57.600 No, no, just do what The kids never put the 1:46:57.600 --> 1:46:58.360 Mars bar in the fridge. 1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:00.560 Why would the adults do that? Just think about that? 1:47:00.800 --> 1:47:03.160 One three one eight seven three dairy milk. I can 1:47:03.200 --> 1:47:03.599 go with it. 1:47:03.680 --> 1:47:06.080 Well, I'll survive that, but not the Mars bar and 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:08.719 not the caramel, the chewy, not the not the soft 1:47:08.720 --> 1:47:09.799 scented caramel chocolate. 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:12.559 No way. It is thirteen to three. Okay. 1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:14.240 I should have raised this at the start because we've 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:16.240 had a meltdown there. I say it about chocolate, whether 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:18.120 you put in the fridge, the freezer, the cupboard, or 1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:19.439 somewhere else wherever that might be. 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:21.639 Let's get some calls before track of the day. Ash, 1:47:21.680 --> 1:47:22.360 good afternoon. 1:47:23.760 --> 1:47:25.759 Yes, okay, Michael, what's. 1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:28.760 Your chocolate recipe? As it were, Ash, what do you do? 1:47:29.960 --> 1:47:30.200 Yeah? 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:34.640 Well, I was having a new take on or a 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:39.040 different take on chocolate bar in the fridge. I love 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:43.160 the Snickers in the freezer and it really snaps and 1:47:43.240 --> 1:47:45.559 crunches when you first eat it. 1:47:45.680 --> 1:47:49.040 You said snickers, not knickers. I hope they're Ash. 1:47:49.160 --> 1:47:51.400 No, just stickers, stickers. 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:52.640 I wouldn't judge it. 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:57.880 Okay, Snickers in the freezer. Well, you you have your 1:47:57.880 --> 1:48:00.360 lines break up. You have very strong teeth. If you 1:48:00.400 --> 1:48:03.400 have frozen as snickers with the caramel, the nuts and 1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:05.960 the lot, you're like forget Jaws the shark. 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:08.360 Your jaws out of Joe's bond. That's extraordinary. 1:48:08.479 --> 1:48:10.920 Well down to you. Your dentist deserves. I don't know, 1:48:11.040 --> 1:48:13.760 some sort of accolade. That's extraordinary work. Thank you, Ash, Peter. 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:16.960 Good afternoon, young Michael. 1:48:16.960 --> 1:48:21.639 I'm all right yourself. Not too ran a chocolate. 1:48:22.360 --> 1:48:25.360 Have my view on chocolates, and I think they're much 1:48:25.479 --> 1:48:27.040 nicer in the fridge. 1:48:28.160 --> 1:48:29.400 All of them. 1:48:30.320 --> 1:48:32.600 Well, yeah, all of them except the table iron. You 1:48:32.640 --> 1:48:35.439 have to be really careful table because that gets a 1:48:35.439 --> 1:48:37.840 bit too hard. That can that can knock your teeth 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:39.479 at that one. So you've got to let that normalize 1:48:39.520 --> 1:48:39.800 a bit. 1:48:40.080 --> 1:48:42.360 The toblon if you're not, if you're not just snapping 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:45.479 the individual triangles. Often because the gaps between the little 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:47.639 mountain peaks, it's hard to get your thumbs in right, 1:48:47.720 --> 1:48:50.719 so you tend to bite them off. If that's really hard, 1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:53.479 you'd be putting a dent in your gums, wouldn't you. 1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:54.360 You're up a palette. 1:48:55.160 --> 1:48:57.519 Yeah, you've got to be very careful. You got to 1:48:57.560 --> 1:48:59.960 let that normalize a bit. But it does taste very nice. 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:04.880 Chill the tobler owners very nice chocolate. Indeed, thank you, Peter, 1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:10.719 appreciate your appreciate your tip. Daniel likes freckles when they're cold. 1:49:10.800 --> 1:49:12.320 All right, Thank you, Daniel. 1:49:13.000 --> 1:49:15.719 This person says, my husband puts bounty in the freezer. 1:49:15.800 --> 1:49:18.400 Surely that's worse than any fridge chocolate. Probably. 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:21.840 Thank you for all the nice messages coming through as well. 1:49:22.400 --> 1:49:24.599 Chris says, regarding chocolate and the fridge. I've got all 1:49:24.640 --> 1:49:27.519 of mine in the fridge. I find I eat more 1:49:28.479 --> 1:49:33.360 if it's chilled. Okay, Each to their own. One three 1:49:33.400 --> 1:49:45.519 eight seven three now one afternoons Crack of the day. 1:49:46.360 --> 1:49:48.920 By the way, Jan says linked dark chocolate's now twelve dollars. 1:49:48.960 --> 1:49:50.320 It will lease forget the fridge. I might need to 1:49:50.360 --> 1:49:52.879 go into the safe with the gold. It's getting expensive, 1:49:52.920 --> 1:49:55.880 isn't it. That's the cocoa prices we're speaking about that. 1:49:55.960 --> 1:49:57.560 During the Easter show, they're going up, up, up and 1:49:57.640 --> 1:49:58.000 up again. 1:49:58.439 --> 1:49:59.000 Track of the day. 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:01.080 I've got one hundred and fifty b store voucher on 1:50:01.120 --> 1:50:03.120 the line. If you'd like to get that one hundred 1:50:03.120 --> 1:50:05.640 and fifty dollars worth, why wouldn't you? One three one 1:50:05.760 --> 1:50:08.160 eight seven three here's your question. By the way, I'll 1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:09.880 give you some thinking music in the moment. But it 1:50:10.000 --> 1:50:14.400 was on this day in twenty eighteen, Woolworth's Gay stopped 1:50:14.400 --> 1:50:18.599 giving away something for free on this day twenty eighteen. 1:50:18.800 --> 1:50:20.360 I can't believe it was actually that long ago. It 1:50:20.400 --> 1:50:21.479 seems more recent than that. 1:50:21.800 --> 1:50:25.440 Woolworths stopped giving something away for free? 1:50:26.120 --> 1:50:29.360 What was that something? If you know? One three one 1:50:29.479 --> 1:50:30.240 eight seven three. 1:50:30.280 --> 1:50:33.360 Here's a little thinking music for you, a bet of 1:50:33.439 --> 1:50:36.639 James Brown. All right, So what did wolworth stop giving 1:50:36.680 --> 1:50:38.920 away for free on this day in twenty eighteen? But 1:50:39.000 --> 1:50:41.400 a James Brown with Papa's got a new bag that 1:50:41.479 --> 1:50:44.679 might help? One three one eight seven three. As I said, 1:50:44.680 --> 1:50:47.479 We've got a one hundred and fifty dollars voucher to 1:50:47.560 --> 1:50:50.960 B Store shoes. You'll love comfort, you'll live in. B 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:57.200 Store brings you birken Stock, Bloodstone, Fitflop, MBT, Frankie four 1:50:57.240 --> 1:50:59.519 and more. You can visit them at mcquarie center, Good 1:50:59.600 --> 1:51:03.439 Choppings that or of course Westviille Miranda style starts here. 1:51:04.000 --> 1:51:06.800 Max, you're a stylish guy. But we could all do 1:51:06.840 --> 1:51:07.439 with a bit of help. 1:51:07.479 --> 1:51:10.400 I suppose what did woolworth stop giving away for free 1:51:10.439 --> 1:51:11.400 on this day in twenty eighteen? 1:51:11.479 --> 1:51:11.759 Max? 1:51:12.840 --> 1:51:14.120 It was plastic bag? 1:51:15.240 --> 1:51:16.599 Was Max? Max? 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:19.800 Plastic bags? Hey one hundred and fifty buck voucher to 1:51:19.800 --> 1:51:21.439 Bee still coming your way. That's a good way to 1:51:21.640 --> 1:51:23.759 wrap up a Friday for you, Max, Well done. 1:51:24.000 --> 1:51:27.360 Who knew the free plastic bags were so lucrative for you. 1:51:27.520 --> 1:51:29.640 Hang on there, we'll grab your details, of course, and 1:51:29.880 --> 1:51:30.960 we'll get that voucher to you. 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:34.960 It's five to three stacks feedback, someone says Michael. Michael, Michael. 1:51:35.000 --> 1:51:37.719 The only plays from Mars bars in the freezer Crispian delicious, 1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:40.800 My goodness, Okay, thank you. Jeff says, do yourself a favor. 1:51:40.840 --> 1:51:43.800 Go to the Junee Chocolate factory. I haven't been. 1:51:43.840 --> 1:51:45.479 I must do that. James says. 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:48.400 The real crunch when you eat a crunchy is when 1:51:48.479 --> 1:51:52.840 it's from the freezer. The honeycomber is explosive, so lovely, 1:51:52.920 --> 1:51:55.720 says James. Stephen says, reed Jaws. I saw it in 1:51:55.800 --> 1:51:58.080 nineteen seventy five, was at the State Theater in Sydney. 1:51:58.280 --> 1:52:00.920 I remember the restaurant next door had Twomato soup on 1:52:01.000 --> 1:52:01.400 the menu. 1:52:01.560 --> 1:52:06.280 Is a special joke. That's very good. I think it's 1:52:06.320 --> 1:52:06.880 a hotel. Now. 1:52:06.880 --> 1:52:09.040 There is a QT that's beside the State these days, 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:13.400 And Jr. Says being cheeky re the track of the 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:15.439 day question. The thing that Woolworth gave up for free 1:52:15.439 --> 1:52:16.840 on this day in twenty eighteen, he says, was a 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:20.559 customer service. They're good sponsors of ours Jr. Now you 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:23.759 behave yourself, perish the thought. Thank you for your company, 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:26.759 A big thank you for Bill filling in on Wednesday 1:52:26.800 --> 1:52:28.519 and Thursday at short notice. A big thank you to 1:52:28.560 --> 1:52:31.519 you the listeners for your beautiful messages that came in 1:52:31.560 --> 1:52:35.000 for my family after the announcement earlier today as well. 1:52:35.000 --> 1:52:35.880 I do appreciate that 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:39.040 Clinton is up next, and here will guide you through 1:52:39.080 --> 1:52:40.640 to six o'clock and keep you up to date with 1:52:40.760 --> 1:52:41.960 everything you need to know.