Speaker 1: On two GV at network stations. This is Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: Well it is, and thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3: It is ten past twelve on this Friday afternoon, June twenty,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Hope you're well. One three one eight
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Speaker 3: As you can probably tell by the voice, I'm not
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, but we're here. A big thank you
Speaker 3: to Bill for filling in over the last couple of days,
Speaker 3: and it was it was quite a difficult couple of
Speaker 3: days for our family.
Speaker 2: We lost a dear uncle.
Speaker 3: And I was thereby his side at the moment that
Speaker 3: he passed, which was I suppose. I'm very grateful for
Speaker 3: having that opportunity to be there, but it did happen
Speaker 3: a little more suddenly than we expected, and so as
Speaker 3: the family, we've had to obviously, as you do in
Speaker 3: these circumstances, rarely around and organize some of the arrangements
Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. Hence my absence the
Speaker 3: last couple of days, but nice to be back with
Speaker 3: you today and let's get the show on the road
Speaker 3: between now and three o'clock.
Speaker 2: It will be busy. It will be busy. A lot is.
Speaker 3: Happening, not just at home, but of course around the world.
Speaker 3: And Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, was speaking earlier in Adelaide.
Speaker 3: I think about the situation with Iran. The Australian embassy
Speaker 3: in Tehran has closed. Australians who are there, I think
Speaker 3: being told if you can get to Azerbaijan. I think
Speaker 3: that's the information, if I'm not mistaken. Similarly, Australians in
Speaker 3: Israel are about twelve hundred of which have registered that
Speaker 3: they want to leave. Things are in place to try
Speaker 3: to make that happen, but it's very, very difficult because
Speaker 3: airspace is closed, missiles continue to rain down at both ends,
Speaker 3: and it's going to be tough getting everybody out, there's
Speaker 3: no doubt about that. But leaving that issue aside, there's
Speaker 3: a lot to get through. I will later this hour
Speaker 3: go back to this issue that got a lot of
Speaker 3: conversation last year midyear, and that is Australia's push for
Speaker 3: age verification technology for the under sixteens. When it comes
Speaker 3: to social media. Effectively, we want a ban under sixteen
Speaker 3: year olds getting access to social media. Now, I mean
Speaker 3: I have some sympathy with that because I don't see
Speaker 3: a lot of this as social media, as you know,
Speaker 3: I see it as anti social media. And when you're young,
Speaker 3: you don't have the tools at your disposal to be
Speaker 3: able to decipher the good from the bad, to work
Speaker 3: your way through the bullying and everything else which is
Speaker 3: just so rife in these particular formats. And there's no
Speaker 3: doubt that the proprietors of these bits of technology are
Speaker 3: not doing enough. But maybe that's not in their business
Speaker 3: interest to do enough. That's cynical, but I suspect that's true.
Speaker 3: But now that the band will come in, and I
Speaker 3: think December is when this kicks in, there are significant
Speaker 3: questions about whether it will work. I believe some trials
Speaker 3: are showing some positive results, but I'll speak later to
Speaker 3: Dr Daniel Einstein.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Daniel is a clinical psychologist and adjunct fellow at mcquarr University,
Speaker 3: and she's making the point that we need to do
Speaker 3: more than just have the ban. The ban in and
Speaker 3: of itself won't solve the problem, and there are problems.
Speaker 3: We need a more holistic approach and so that is
Speaker 3: something that we're going to have to look at and
Speaker 3: I'll do that with doctor Daniel Einstein Rodney Fox after
Speaker 3: one o'clock. Now, this is an extraordinary Australian Rodney Fox.
Speaker 3: He's a filmmaker, conservationist, he's a shark expert. And the
Speaker 3: reason we i' speaking it to Rodney is today marks
Speaker 3: fifty years since the release of the movie Jaws. Now,
Speaker 3: I would challenge anybody to come up with a movie
Speaker 3: title that has had more impact on people's lived experience
Speaker 3: than Jaws. I mean, when you think about it, a
Speaker 3: lot of people knew about sharks prior to Jaws and
Speaker 3: were cautious. We had shark nets, people weren't crazy. But
Speaker 3: this almost pathological fear of sharks which seems to pervade
Speaker 3: a lot of society today. I think you can probably
Speaker 3: trace it to Jaws. You know, the iconic music, the scenes,
Speaker 3: will play some of them later on. But I mean,
Speaker 3: in your lifetime, has there been a movie that's had
Speaker 3: a bigger impact on the way you live than Jaws?
Speaker 3: I mean, Gladiated clearly didn't. So I mean, what could
Speaker 3: it have been? One three, one, eight seven three. Maybe
Speaker 3: there's a horror movie, so I don't know. But as
Speaker 3: far as the sort of fictional story, and it's fiction,
Speaker 3: let's be honest. But as far as these fictional stories
Speaker 3: are concerned, Jaws just seeped into the published public consciousness
Speaker 3: and scared them crikey out of a couple of generations
Speaker 3: of people. And I think it was the first movie
Speaker 3: to go of one hundred million US of the box office.
Speaker 2: It broke all of these records. It really was.
Speaker 3: It was being laughed at at one point, and Spielberg
Speaker 3: was very young at the time, so no, I reckon.
Speaker 3: This is a goer stuck with it, and of course
Speaker 3: it basically made his career. But Rodney Fox was instrumental
Speaker 3: in the movie, and I'll speak to him about fifty
Speaker 3: years of Jaws and the impact particularly that's had on
Speaker 3: our relationship with the shark. Later in the program, Alice
Speaker 3: will be here from Demand with the real estate segment
Speaker 3: for Friday Food. I'll be speaking to a legend of
Speaker 3: the local industry. He's about to retire. As we announced
Speaker 3: last week, Rudy Deats, the owner of Stuyversant's house.
Speaker 2: It's going on the market.
Speaker 3: Next week and so I'll be speaking to Rudy after
Speaker 3: two o'clock. He's a lot of fun Rudy. If you've
Speaker 3: ever been to Stuyvesant House, he's a fun guy. So
Speaker 3: we'll be speaking to him and anything else that comes up.
Speaker 3: Of course, we've got the wind wheel. We want to
Speaker 3: give away another twenty five hundred dollars. I think was
Speaker 3: it huge Hole that's spun it for Bill?
Speaker 2: Or was Bill Bah? It was?
Speaker 3: You knows Bill, magic fingers Bill. We might need to
Speaker 3: get Bill back to get some more money away today.
Speaker 3: Twenty five hundred went off on Wednesday, I think. So
Speaker 3: we'll see how we go between now and three. Stay
Speaker 3: with us one three one eight seven three. I just
Speaker 3: see that Superintendent Adam Drew breeses phone through with a
Speaker 3: potential gas leak at Fairfield.
Speaker 2: Adam, what's the latest.
Speaker 4: There, good old Michael.
Speaker 5: It's at Fairfield High Now. The school's implemented it's a
Speaker 5: self evacuation plan. We have a strong smell of gas.
Speaker 5: All their students are safe. They have I related themselves
Speaker 5: in an open area the school. We've got a gas leak.
Speaker 5: We've turned off the gas supply, we've turned off all
Speaker 5: the electricity, so there can be no ignition if there
Speaker 5: is an actual gas in and around that odor, which
Speaker 5: we think there is, but fire risking your South Wales
Speaker 5: is onseene and we'll render that site safe for a
Speaker 5: good call from the school to get us out there early,
Speaker 5: just to make sure that we don't have a major
Speaker 5: incident out there.
Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful, Thank you for the update, Adam.
Speaker 3: Of course, if you're seeing some fire trucks and whatever
Speaker 3: around Fairfield High that's why there's a potential gas leak
Speaker 3: there and the authorities are all over it. We'll keep
Speaker 3: you up to date with that one three one eight
Speaker 3: seven three where it is seventeen minutes past twelve. Well, look,
Speaker 3: while the world is focused on the unfolding events in
Speaker 3: the Middle East, the United Kingdom is focused on a
Speaker 3: very different story, and it's one that's going to force
Speaker 3: those isles to ask and answer some very tough questions.
Speaker 2: For years.
Speaker 3: In fact, for the better part of the early twenty
Speaker 3: and twenty tens, suspicions swirled around many Northern English towns
Speaker 3: that young girls were being abused in very large numbers
Speaker 3: by what the British called men of Asian background, now
Speaker 3: to be Pacific, the finger was often pointed to men
Speaker 3: of Pakistani heritage, but at almost every turn it seemed
Speaker 3: as though the institutions that ought to investigate such suspicions
Speaker 3: failed in their duty, especially some local councils. And as
Speaker 3: a report just released by Baroness Casey has found, the
Speaker 3: reason why so many failed in their duty was out
Speaker 3: of a fear of igniting community tensions. Now, as the
Speaker 3: report says and I quote, despite reviews, reports and inquiries
Speaker 3: raising questions about men of asion or Pakistani backgrounds grooming
Speaker 3: and sexually exploiting young white girls, the system has consistently
Speaker 3: failed to fully acknowledge this or collect accurate data so
Speaker 3: it can be examined effectively. And here's the key sentence quote. Instead,
Speaker 3: flawed data is used repeatedly to dismiss claims about Asian
Speaker 3: grooming gangs as sensationalized, biased, or untrue. In other words,
Speaker 3: the establishment went out of its way to protect a
Speaker 3: mirage of social cohesion rather than to protect vulnerable girls.
Speaker 3: And this despite, as Guy Dampier at the UK Telegraph says,
Speaker 3: the racially driven rape of hundreds, perhaps thousands of mainly
Speaker 3: white girls being the worst hate crime in modern Britain. Now,
Speaker 3: as he went on to write the other day, the
Speaker 3: inquiry or in inquiry after inquiry, it was revealed that
Speaker 3: the authorities had failed to prevent the crimes, often over
Speaker 3: fears of racism. But rfial investigators and investigations have not
Speaker 3: probed the.
Speaker 2: Core of the issue.
Speaker 3: Now there lies the ultimate question, and an announced national
Speaker 3: inquiry must answer this, and that is why did so
Speaker 3: many in a position of authority choose not to pursue
Speaker 3: justice in these cases? Why did the seemingly why did
Speaker 3: they rather seemingly turn a blind eye or downplay the
Speaker 3: alleged racial element to the offending. Of course, many are
Speaker 3: right to question whether such a lack of curiosity would
Speaker 3: have prevailed if there were suspicions of gangs of white
Speaker 3: men deliberately targeting girls of a different ancestry. Now, Britain's
Speaker 3: Prime Minister said Kiss Starmer has been forced to backtrack
Speaker 3: in and call a national inquiry into all of this.
Speaker 3: But as many have said, the terms of the inquiry
Speaker 3: are going to be the key. Again, as Guy Dampier says,
Speaker 3: it needs to look at the role of anti white
Speaker 3: racism among some ethnic minority groups and the role played
Speaker 3: by anti racist ideology in the failings of the authorities,
Speaker 3: because you know, it's hard to escape the conclusion that
Speaker 3: decades of this anti colonial critical race theory in doctrination
Speaker 3: at the highest levels has played a bit of a
Speaker 3: role in all of this. There's obsession with social cohesion
Speaker 3: at all costs, certain questions now being off limits, certain
Speaker 3: thoughts actively discouraged, all of this culminating in an institutional
Speaker 3: default position that's petrified of probing the truth if it
Speaker 3: might be uncomfortable. In other words, the deepest and hardest
Speaker 3: line of inquiry. It's not going to be about the
Speaker 3: racial origins of the alleged perpetrators, although that must be
Speaker 3: the foundation of the inquiry, but it's going to be
Speaker 3: about the failings of the authorities, because it's as if
Speaker 3: they didn't want to know. As Baroness Casey's report made clear,
Speaker 3: flawed data had been repeatedly used to dismiss claims about
Speaker 3: Asian grooming gangs. Indeed, as the report said, and I quote,
Speaker 3: the ethnicity of perpetrators is shied away from and is
Speaker 3: still all not recorded for two thirds of perpetrators. So
Speaker 3: we're unable to provide any accurate assessment from nationally collected data,
Speaker 3: despite there having been enough convictions across the country of
Speaker 3: groups of men of Asian ethnic backgrounds to have warranted
Speaker 3: closer examination. Now, as I said earlier, this story is
Speaker 3: a massive scandal to date, I think I'm right in
Speaker 3: saying that no police officer, no council staffer, and no
Speaker 3: politicians certainly have gone to jail for their lack of
Speaker 3: interest in the true nature of what was going on
Speaker 3: across the UK.
Speaker 2: But they should.
Speaker 3: They should go to jail, as Baroness Casey said, instead
Speaker 3: of examination, the British instead witnessed obfuscation, and whilst that
Speaker 3: happened year after year, hundreds of girls' lives were shaken
Speaker 3: to the core, many of them sadly preyed upon from
Speaker 3: within institutional care. Now I know all of this concerns
Speaker 3: matters in Britain, and Britain's a very long way from Australia.
Speaker 3: But Australia too must learn from this outagege and pledged
Speaker 3: to never allow such politically motivated, deliberate and institutional ignorance
Speaker 3: to permeate our body politic because if the boffins think
Speaker 3: precious social cohesion will be damaged, if certain racial data
Speaker 3: is released, even when it's integral to the situation at hand.
Speaker 3: They better be prepared for the absolute collapse of social
Speaker 3: cohesion if they try to cover it up, but then
Speaker 3: the truth gets out. Twenty almost twenty six minutes past twelve.
Speaker 3: Got to be back with you. Thank you for your company.
Speaker 3: Nice day again outside. It's been cold, but it's been
Speaker 3: very sort of blue skies and very pleasant, hasn't it?
Speaker 3: One three one eight seventy three? On Jaws, this person
Speaker 3: here says, sensational movie. Perhaps why we've got the drum
Speaker 3: lines and the shark nets. Anyway, the Exorcist scared the
Speaker 3: Jesus out of my generation and created a fear of
Speaker 3: seances and trying to talk to the other side with
Speaker 3: the spirit board. I wonder how many people partake in seancess.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know John Stanley has one somewhere here,
Speaker 3: but other than John, I don't know anyone who's been
Speaker 3: in a seans lately. Michael says Jaws famous tune. It's
Speaker 3: my ring tone and it sounds funny on my houseboat.
Speaker 3: I better that good point, Thank you, Michael. Now, the
Speaker 3: situation in Spain, remember when Spain and Portugal had that
Speaker 3: complete blackout across the Iberian peninsula. It was a massive
Speaker 3: story and ever since we've been waiting for the official
Speaker 3: reason as to what happened.
Speaker 2: Well we've got it. I don't know if anyone.
Speaker 3: Believes it, but as the BBC reports, the Spanish government
Speaker 3: have said that the national grid operator and private power
Speaker 3: generation companies were the ones to blame for that energy blackout,
Speaker 3: the one that caused widespread chaos in Spain and Portugal
Speaker 3: on April twenty eighth. In the immediate aftermath, the government
Speaker 3: didn't provide an explanation. Instead, they called for patients as
Speaker 3: they investigated. Now, they seemed to continually call for patients
Speaker 3: because people said, well, surely you know what's happened. One
Speaker 3: minute the lights are on, the next minute the lights
Speaker 3: are off. I mean, with all the technology built into
Speaker 3: a national and internationally connected grid, and they are connected
Speaker 3: to France and elsewhere, you would have sensory readings pretty
Speaker 3: quickly as to what went wrong and where, and you'd
Speaker 3: rectify it and it won't happen again. Well, no, I mean,
Speaker 3: what is it two months or so we waited for
Speaker 3: the official explanation. Now that gives everyone's suspicion that they
Speaker 3: were simply doctoring up some excuse anyway.
Speaker 2: The finding was this.
Speaker 3: That the partly state owned grid operator read Electrica, had
Speaker 3: miscalculated the power capacity needs for that particular day, April
Speaker 3: the twenty eighth, and the female minister said that the
Speaker 3: system did not have enough dynamic voltage capacity. She said
Speaker 3: that the regulator should have switched on another thermal plant,
Speaker 3: but they made the calculation and decided it wasn't necessary.
Speaker 3: She also blamed private generators for failing to regulate the
Speaker 3: grid's vaulty shortly before the blackout happened. Now it's interesting
Speaker 3: that the minister that's been put forward to explain all
Speaker 3: of these very technical and engineering physics based issues isn't
Speaker 3: the energy minister. It isn't the science minister. It's the
Speaker 3: Minister for Ecological Transition, right Hello, So they're not going
Speaker 3: to blame anything to do with the renewable rollout of
Speaker 3: the grid which has been rushed in Spain. They're rolling
Speaker 3: this stuff out, pulling nuclear out prematurely, without having the
Speaker 3: engineering capacity to ensure that the grid remains viable. Now
Speaker 3: I share all of that because I don't necessarily believe
Speaker 3: the fighting that's official fighting and okay, because a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago I s sheard with you part of a
Speaker 3: story by Ambrose Evans Pritchett. Now he's a UK journalist,
Speaker 3: he's pretty well switched in and as he said, even
Speaker 3: back then, the stench of a cover up hangs over
Speaker 3: Spain's giant blackout, the worst electricity failure in there. He
Speaker 3: developed country in modern times. Now, I just before I
Speaker 3: go on, I make this point, Ambrose Evans Pritchard is
Speaker 3: a big renewables advocate.
Speaker 2: He's not old King.
Speaker 3: Cole, and he's in favor of the renewable rollout. So
Speaker 3: he's not here to say, oh, look this is what
Speaker 3: you get when you put turbines in the grid.
Speaker 2: That's not his position.
Speaker 3: But as he says, the socialist governor Pedro Sanchez is
Speaker 3: trying to buy time with explanations that either make no
Speaker 3: technical sense or veer into absurdity. Red Electrica, which runs
Speaker 3: the grid, the mob that the government blamed is accused
Speaker 3: of stonewalling. You said everybody, and this is the kicker,
Speaker 3: he says. Sources in Brussels have told the Telegraph that
Speaker 3: the authorities, the Spanish authorities, were conducting an experiment before
Speaker 3: the system crashed. What was that experiment? Well, it was
Speaker 3: probing how far they could push reliance on renewables in
Speaker 3: preparation for Spain's rushed phase out of nuclear reactors by
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. As he said, one's reminded of the
Speaker 3: Chernobyl melt down in eighty six. I mean that all
Speaker 3: came about because they were running an experiment. And it
Speaker 3: might well be that they were running this capacity experiment
Speaker 3: and they got the result. And if the result were
Speaker 3: public that the grid is just not ready for no
Speaker 3: nuclear and only renewables or whatever they want by twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven, that the government that has advocated this for
Speaker 3: years would collapse because the public would say, well, you're
Speaker 3: going to destroy our economy in our wave of life.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have the first world economy without power. You
Speaker 3: guys got to go. So I don't know what the
Speaker 3: truth is in Spain, but I suspect it's not the
Speaker 3: official line from the government. Not that I'm a betting man,
Speaker 3: but I reckon the odds on that actually being factor
Speaker 3: will be pretty long one three, one eight seven, three.
Speaker 2: Good Mal.
Speaker 6: There you go with them, Michael, you're talking about jaws. Yes,
Speaker 6: back in seventy nine, we did a tour of Universal studios,
Speaker 6: and you have on your little train, your half a
Speaker 6: dozen carriages been turned around by a little tractor thing,
Speaker 6: and go for a tour around the block. And at
Speaker 6: one stage a game, you come up this larger body
Speaker 6: of water with suddenly parts like most are doing the
Speaker 6: red sleet. And when you're halfway through the study, the
Speaker 6: trains hard lurks to the left, and then the hand
Speaker 6: side just picked up just as the shark came out
Speaker 6: of the water. And needless to say, there are quite
Speaker 6: a few people had very relaxed internal muscles after that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I follow you.
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm trying to be discrete. You're here now.
Speaker 2: You've been very discreet. I think you've been very medical.
Speaker 2: I mean it's extraordinary, isn't it the impact that this
Speaker 2: movie has had, isn't it? Now?
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, there's a good movie. As the noises. As
Speaker 6: that previous caller said, it's a great ring tone.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 3: I haven't put it on my phone yet, but maybe
Speaker 3: after today's chat. I will good on your mouth. Thank
Speaker 3: you, you drive safely. It's twenty seven minutes to one. It's
Speaker 3: twenty four minutes to one. Good to have you there
Speaker 3: with us one three one eight seven three the open
Speaker 3: line number if you want to lob something in keep
Speaker 3: the text coming as well. Plenty of those zero four six,
Speaker 3: zero eight seven three eight seven three. I said earlier,
Speaker 3: I want to go back to this issue of the
Speaker 3: under sixteens being banned from social media. Now it's been
Speaker 3: announced that Australia has been given the green light to
Speaker 3: use age verification technology. That's part of this new social
Speaker 3: media ban for the children under sixteen. It's all part
Speaker 3: of the crackdown on social media companies that the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister announced last November, and it includes that world first
Speaker 3: initiative to ban those under the age of sixteen from
Speaker 3: using social media platforms the Facebook's Instagram, snapchats, tiktoks of
Speaker 3: this world. So a trial of the age verification technology
Speaker 3: has reportedly deemed it ready for use, and the trial
Speaker 3: has determined that it will be private, robust and effective.
Speaker 3: Now I'm not so sure, but I'm a cynic by nature,
Speaker 3: But you know, I think you've got to remember the kids,
Speaker 3: the sixteen year old's, fifteen year olds or whatever. They've
Speaker 3: been raised on technology in the way that you or
Speaker 3: I might have been raised on books. They're technology natives,
Speaker 3: digital natives, and they're going to find a loopole, I
Speaker 3: would imagine. Now that's not me saying we shouldn't try
Speaker 3: to protect them from social media, but I don't think
Speaker 3: it's going to be easy to do. But whether the
Speaker 3: band at the age of sixteen is going to work
Speaker 3: or not, whether the age at sixteen's appropriate or too
Speaker 3: high or too low, I mean, all these debates can
Speaker 3: be had. But as Dr Daniel Einstein, who's a clinical
Speaker 3: psychologist n adjunct fellow at mcae University, points out, the
Speaker 3: band will almost count for nothing unless we.
Speaker 2: Have urgent digital reforms that complement it.
Speaker 3: And that's something that I think to date has almost
Speaker 3: been lacking in the discussion. There's been a lot of
Speaker 3: focus on the ban world first and all this sort
Speaker 3: of stuff, or how's it going to work? Or could
Speaker 3: it work? Should it work? Is it a trojan horse?
Speaker 3: But what about the broader story here? Well that's what
Speaker 3: I want to speak to her about, and she's with
Speaker 3: me on the line, Doctor Daniel Einstein.
Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Hi Michael.
Speaker 3: We have done a lot of focus on the ban
Speaker 3: it's the headline grab or I get that but as
Speaker 3: you say, the ecosystem that it's meant to support or
Speaker 3: that it fits into, we don't discuss.
Speaker 2: That as much.
Speaker 9: That's right, that's right. We need education out there funded
Speaker 9: by the government that changes our understanding of our addictive
Speaker 9: use of social media and that will help the students
Speaker 9: and the parents themselves.
Speaker 3: Okay, how do we address addiction in this sense? I
Speaker 3: mean when it comes to cigarettes, apparently we just tax
Speaker 3: it to oblivion. We're seeing how that's working now. But
Speaker 3: with digital technology you can't do that. So how do
Speaker 3: we approach that?
Speaker 9: Well, we just need to understand it, because if we
Speaker 9: understand how we're pulled in, we'll make a few changes
Speaker 9: and those changes will help all of us.
Speaker 3: Okay, understand it, though in what sense the algorithms that
Speaker 3: are applied behind the scenes or what.
Speaker 10: No, it's really about understanding what happens with.
Speaker 9: That addictive pool. So if you walk in the front
Speaker 9: door of your home and you automatically you kind of
Speaker 9: might be very used to pulling out your phone in
Speaker 9: that moment and having a look, does someone want me?
Speaker 9: Does someone need me? Is there a great message waiting
Speaker 9: for me? On that post I posted this morning? And
Speaker 9: someone posting about a topic that I really care about.
Speaker 9: If every time you walk in the door you look
Speaker 9: at that, you just get used to doing that, and
Speaker 9: in fact what happens is we get a bit of dopamine.
Speaker 9: It comes out because you go, oh, I wonder if
Speaker 9: there's something there. I just wonder, maybe there's something good.
Speaker 9: And what's going on beneath.
Speaker 10: The surface is that we're all slightly.
Speaker 9: Addicted and wanting that little hit, and it's become associated
Speaker 9: with where we are and what we're doing, and it
Speaker 9: gets brought on by the location we're in because we've
Speaker 9: just let it happen, or looking at our phone or
Speaker 9: our computer or our iPad. So it's that that's the
Speaker 9: bit of education I want out for the whole community,
Speaker 9: for parents, the educators, for doctors, and for the students themselves,
Speaker 9: because once the students recognize it, they'll put limits in
Speaker 9: themselves as well that.
Speaker 2: You think they will, they'll limit themselves.
Speaker 9: Yeah. No one wants to be have their attention all
Speaker 9: the time taken up by an online community and unable
Speaker 9: in fact to appreciate the world around them, the relationships
Speaker 9: in their own family, their own real life friendships. People
Speaker 9: want to care for people around them, I think genuinely.
Speaker 3: Okay, you made the point that it was speaking here
Speaker 3: of addiction in this sense that it's twin brother is anxiety.
Speaker 3: So I think from that you're inferring that if one
Speaker 3: is unable to access digital services willy nilly, they will
Speaker 3: be anxious that I don't know they're missing out or
Speaker 3: they're not in loop, or that something's and so it's
Speaker 3: trying to address both of those simultaneously.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the big picture. What you've just said is
Speaker 9: that is the big picture version of anxiety, Like am
Speaker 9: I fine without my phone?
Speaker 10: But the small.
Speaker 9: Picture is actually the way we worry. The fact that
Speaker 9: just because I see my phone on my computer, I
Speaker 9: think about something that's important to me and I want
Speaker 9: to grab it and see if there's a problem there
Speaker 9: or if I've nailed it with something I've done this morning.
Speaker 9: So I might want to get off this phone and
Speaker 9: go did I do well with this interview? Has anyone
Speaker 9: sent me a text to say, Danielle, that was a
Speaker 9: great interview, and because it's important to me, I'm going
Speaker 9: to reach for my phone and urgently want to nail
Speaker 9: it right. Or if there's a problem with my child
Speaker 9: I urgently want to see that my child is okay.
Speaker 9: But that's how it feeds into anxiety. It's actually just
Speaker 9: the worry that's brought on that I can quickly stamp out.
Speaker 9: I can stamp out uncertainty, okay, And uncertainty is it
Speaker 9: drives us like uncertainty both in positive and negative situations,
Speaker 9: makes us more emotional.
Speaker 3: That's the official psychological point of view that you're presenting.
Speaker 3: Understand that I'm just the radio guy, but I'm thinking
Speaker 3: if the technology is there, and yet that is the
Speaker 3: human inbuilt psychological predisposition. How are people going to self regulate?
Speaker 9: Well, that's where conditioning comes in. Sorry to get technical again,
Speaker 9: but that's where if you understand the addictive pool, you
Speaker 9: just put better practices in for yourself. So when you
Speaker 9: walk in the door, you put your computer down in
Speaker 9: a set location in the house, or your phone down
Speaker 9: in a set spot where it's not in view all
Speaker 9: the time, and that way you've got you get better
Speaker 9: digital habits. Some people have good digital habits already. Those
Speaker 9: people don't need to make changes, but many, many in
Speaker 9: the community do not have good digital habits because we
Speaker 9: just haven't caught out this addictive pool.
Speaker 2: I'd say more than many. I said the vast majority.
Speaker 3: I mean, if I take public transport, I'm often the
Speaker 3: only one that isn't staring at a phone. If you
Speaker 3: go to a food court at say your local Westfields,
Speaker 3: most people would be completely oblivious of what was happening
Speaker 3: behind them because they're scrolling on some ridiculous social media thing,
Speaker 3: looking at garbage while they eat. People are just hooked
Speaker 3: on this. So I mean, and that's the adults, let
Speaker 3: alone the kids.
Speaker 10: That's fat, Michael.
Speaker 9: But that's where you can make a deliberate.
Speaker 10: Decision to change if you recognize.
Speaker 9: That it's addictive to start with. But if we pretend
Speaker 9: that it's not addictive and we don't just call it out,
Speaker 9: which is what I'd like the government to do. I
Speaker 9: want the government to educate both clinicians like doctors, pediatricians, psychologists,
Speaker 9: researchers so that people are feel comfortable talking about it.
Speaker 9: If a client or a patient comes in with anxiety,
Speaker 9: we need to ask them, oh, let's have a look
Speaker 9: at what's going on. How many hours did you spend
Speaker 9: on your phone yesterday or on your computer. Let's just
Speaker 9: have a look like a little digital health chair, not
Speaker 9: to be in basics, It's not to be intrusive of
Speaker 9: what they're doing. It's just to acknowledge that this stops
Speaker 9: them getting better if they have anxiety.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's smart. Yeah, that's smart.
Speaker 3: Okay, education, I know one of the things you really
Speaker 3: want to do is launch a national digital health campaign
Speaker 3: and look at this through a health prism, and I
Speaker 3: concur with that. But let me just ask you with
Speaker 3: your psychological expertise, because you know, I mean, you helped
Speaker 3: inform government with this sixteen band and the rest of
Speaker 3: you are part of all of that. So what is
Speaker 3: it about us psychologically that makes us gravitate to this?
Speaker 3: Because you know, my parents' generation, my grandparents general, they
Speaker 3: didn't have this. They didn't have phones and smartphones on
Speaker 3: the internet, so they had to occupy their time some
Speaker 3: other way, and heaven forbid, occasionally maybe they were bored,
Speaker 3: which I don't think is such a bad thing. But
Speaker 3: these days, we've always got to be fiddling and doing
Speaker 3: something and being constantly reinforced that we're liked and popular,
Speaker 3: And does that say something about us as a society today.
Speaker 9: It's just easy for us to get hooked on it
Speaker 9: that actually speaks to the technology companies themselves. Right, they
Speaker 9: have analyzed you in psychology and they use it to
Speaker 9: pull us in and hold us. And unfortunately, in under
Speaker 9: sixteens it's very bad for their emotional development. They're socializing
Speaker 9: in real life, their social skills. If they've got any vulnerabilities,
Speaker 9: they're going to get a lot worse. But in real terms,
Speaker 9: for you, Michael, and for the audience, it's just the
Speaker 9: fact that of course we want connection. Of course we
Speaker 9: want to be liked. Of Course it makes us feel
Speaker 9: good if someone says something nice to us, or if
Speaker 9: we're needed.
Speaker 10: And so of course we're going to want that.
Speaker 9: If they're easy hits, it's easier than putting effort into
Speaker 9: working hard at something and then say a child at
Speaker 9: school work has to work hard at their English and
Speaker 9: then they get.
Speaker 10: A good result. It's much more effortful.
Speaker 9: But if we want to build children's competence in putting
Speaker 9: effort in and learning that there are no quick, easy
Speaker 9: fixes and that their parents can't get the results for them,
Speaker 9: that they've.
Speaker 10: Got to put the work in themselves.
Speaker 9: We've got to take away and or not take away,
Speaker 9: but just only gradually introduce these cheap hits that make
Speaker 9: us feel good in the moment, the sugar hits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Just finally, as we're speaking, is you're saying
Speaker 2: that if.
Speaker 3: We don't do all of this, the background work, which
Speaker 3: is the cause of really the tip of the iceberg,
Speaker 3: which is the under sixteens band, if we don't do that,
Speaker 3: the under sixteens band will fail.
Speaker 2: That's what you're saying. Essentially, isn't it way to achieve
Speaker 2: its purpose?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 9: I think part of the purpose is just to get
Speaker 9: the tech companies to set up, to step up for
Speaker 9: them to have skin in the game. So as long
Speaker 9: as as long as we stick with that legislation, they
Speaker 9: have to have skin in the game. But I would
Speaker 9: like the public to support it and to know that
Speaker 9: parents feel solid, and that students themselves who have said
Speaker 9: that they want this, they've actually you know, a lot
Speaker 9: of seventeen eighteen year olds look back and say, I
Speaker 9: don't want my younger brother or sister on social media. So,
Speaker 9: you know, young people themselves feel that this is a
Speaker 9: healthy step forward, and I just would like the whole
Speaker 9: community to understand that we can safely do this and
Speaker 9: to support support a change in norms. We've already started that.
Speaker 9: We already started the changing norms by introducing the legislation.
Speaker 9: Now we need more, We need more education, and we
Speaker 9: need the health everyone in health to get on board.
Speaker 9: And I just don't want to hear negative messages coming
Speaker 9: from those who might be invested. Maybe Michael in not
Speaker 9: having a successful change in our community.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, heaven forbid, there could be those people involved. Yes,
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me. Thank you for your time, Daniel, appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: All the best, doctor Daniel Einstein, clinical psychologists there. It's
Speaker 3: an interesting conversation. I look, perhaps Daniel's a little more
Speaker 3: glass half full than me. I just suspect, well, look,
Speaker 3: I was about to tell I suspect the addictions baked in.
Speaker 2: But there again. I mean, people said that about.
Speaker 3: Alcohol use in the nineteen eighties and nineties, and look
Speaker 3: at the young people today. They're not drinking as much
Speaker 3: as they used to. They're putting other things in their bodies,
Speaker 3: but the alcohol consumption of a lot of young people
Speaker 3: is down. There's a trend from alcohol. So maybe in
Speaker 3: time there will be a trend away from this insane
Speaker 3: incessant scrolling on social media. I mean my anecdotally, I
Speaker 3: find the lonely people tend to do it more than
Speaker 3: those that have a lot of friends and are occupied
Speaker 3: and have a good job and are you otherwise busy.
Speaker 3: There seems to be Again it's just anecdotal, but there
Speaker 3: seems to be a bit of searching for a community
Speaker 3: among some and if they can't get it in the
Speaker 3: sort of terrestrial sense, they go online to try and
Speaker 3: find it there. That's sad, but that's what I've observed.
Speaker 3: But there's always exceptions in this case, I think many
Speaker 3: to the rule. But when you've got the young kids
Speaker 3: and they can't really decide, I mean, their friends are
Speaker 3: doing this. This is sort of as soon as the
Speaker 3: school bell goes and they're at home, that sort of
Speaker 3: or just carries on in the online realm and without
Speaker 3: the adult supervision, bad things happen and we know that.
Speaker 3: But I just don't know how you're going to break
Speaker 3: that relationship between the young people. Particularly in the technology
Speaker 3: smart phones, the problem is to people using them are
Speaker 3: smart phone might be smart the user is That's that's
Speaker 3: the issue. One three, one, eight seven three. Thank you
Speaker 3: for all the feedback. Elizabeth says, it's just about maturity
Speaker 3: and the brain isn't mature until you're in your mid thirties,
Speaker 3: which I think is very true. Another note here from
Speaker 3: Dayton who says you can't stop TikTok and once users
Speaker 3: get dumb to that, they then move on to Reddit
Speaker 3: or Telegram and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: Rod, good afternoon, Yeah, good afternoon.
Speaker 11: Look, I've got it, not a different point. I've got
Speaker 11: two points now. Because I listened to your conversation. I
Speaker 11: think you're more on the money than she is. It
Speaker 11: is about community, and she was suggesting that you don't
Speaker 11: like to be without community. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 11: it's become a substitute community. There's less rules and personal
Speaker 11: demands on you to be part of it. You've got
Speaker 11: it in the back of your head. You're safe in it.
Speaker 11: You've got it in the back of your head. You
Speaker 11: can ignore it if you need to ignore it. And
Speaker 11: that's how it's sucks. If you're in control, you're not
Speaker 11: the other side of it is all this education that
Speaker 11: I've got good, I've got good habits. They're people who
Speaker 11: aren't addicted. If you've got good habits, you're not addicted.
Speaker 11: And everything that we do light the war on drugs,
Speaker 11: which at educating and holding hands, and then we end
Speaker 11: up going, okay, we'll get rid of the laws on
Speaker 11: drugs and that way the problem goes away. Now, my
Speaker 11: other point is that this is insidious. They're not genuinely
Speaker 11: trying to help our kids. It's even if they bring
Speaker 11: it in, it doesn't stop you getting onto porn sites,
Speaker 11: doesn't stop you getting onto other adult sites that have
Speaker 11: their own chat rooms. And how do you get on
Speaker 11: You have to prove that you're over sixteen, don't you mate?
Speaker 11: So so do I? So does every adult?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 12: Yes, So they're collecting all our information, and when they
Speaker 12: say that they're going to bring in optics and facial recognition,
Speaker 12: they're going to know everything about everybody.
Speaker 3: That's yes, And that's a genuine concern. I share that concern.
Speaker 3: A number of proop thank you Rod for raising it.
Speaker 3: A number of people on the text said, okay, well, look,
Speaker 3: you know, we're sort of saving the house, but will
Speaker 3: burn the village down in the.
Speaker 2: Process, so to speak.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll protect the under sixteens by attempting this
Speaker 3: age verification, but of course that means everyone sixteen up
Speaker 3: still has to prove their bona fides. And so that's
Speaker 3: all in some respects harvested now you know, I mean
Speaker 3: data is harvested all the time.
Speaker 2: It's what you do with it that matters.
Speaker 3: But I don't think too many people trust either government
Speaker 3: or indeed tech companies to hold all of that data
Speaker 3: in our best interests.
Speaker 2: Thank you, rod Sev? Quickly, Hi Sev?
Speaker 13: Can I mate?
Speaker 11: Yeah, very quickly.
Speaker 14: Look that conversation, matage, occasion, all the rest of it. Well,
Speaker 14: how do you change habits when every aspect of your
Speaker 14: life is online and he's digital versus the generations of
Speaker 14: our parents and our grandparents, where, for instance, if you
Speaker 14: wanted to go and speak to the bank manager about.
Speaker 6: A loan, who knows that?
Speaker 14: Now, oh wait, we can't do that because there's barely
Speaker 14: any branches left.
Speaker 15: How does that even work?
Speaker 3: Well, that's another vavle of point good on you see
Speaker 3: that broadly, forget the under sixteens. Broadly everything is being
Speaker 3: forced by government and business online everything because they don't
Speaker 3: want bricks and mortar stores and they don't want to
Speaker 3: pay human wages. And listen, everything's going online and AI
Speaker 3: and digital.
Speaker 2: OK. Five, maybe it's going to be more productive.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that is the thrust, and so
Speaker 3: we're sort of incubating this mindset, this system where the
Speaker 3: world is going to be digitized. Then a bit of
Speaker 3: a stretch to say to the young ones, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: but on all these sites, No, don't go there, pull
Speaker 3: back age verification sort of, it doesn't all fit together.
Speaker 2: Okay, stay with us.
Speaker 3: News is next, and then fifty years since Jaws will look.
Speaker 2: At that straight after this.
Speaker 7: Now on TGB and network stations. Back to afternoon with
Speaker 7: Michael McLaren.
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Speaker 2: But before we do.
Speaker 3: All of that, as I said, I wanted to reflect
Speaker 3: on fifty years of movie history today because it was
Speaker 3: on this day in nineteen seventy five some of you
Speaker 3: may have been.
Speaker 2: There that Jaws was released in US cinemas the iconic soundtrack.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it anywhere you hear that.
Speaker 3: Jaws and Steven Spielberg's blockbuster completely changed the film industry.
Speaker 3: It was the first movie to earn one hundred million
Speaker 3: US at the United States box office, and some would
Speaker 3: argue even revolutionize the way that music was used to
Speaker 3: create tension or emotion for audiences in the movies. But
Speaker 3: the film received Academy Awards I think for sound editing.
Speaker 3: It might have even been for the music. But aside
Speaker 3: from all of those accolades, Jaws, perhaps more than any
Speaker 3: other film before, it was able to change attitudes.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: At the time, a lot of people watched Jaws and
Speaker 3: as you can appreciate.
Speaker 2: Became scared of sharks.
Speaker 3: And I guess you know who could blame them when
Speaker 3: you think about some of the iconic scenes like this
Speaker 3: one tell.
Speaker 2: Them to get out of the water. I remember that well.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we often talk about art imitating life,
Speaker 3: but in some respects, I think it's important when we
Speaker 3: analyze these sort of movies fifty years on to recognize
Speaker 3: the real impact that art can have on life, and
Speaker 3: in this case, how a blockbuster film about a killer
Speaker 3: great white shark, as fictitious as it looked, could inform
Speaker 3: opinions and perspectives on these incredible sea creatures and of
Speaker 3: course the way that we treat them now. I wanted
Speaker 3: to turn for this discussion to an extraordinary Australian. His
Speaker 3: name is Rodney Fox. He's a filmmaker, conservationist and shark expert.
Speaker 3: He was working alongside the team in Hollywood as well
Speaker 3: as off the coast of South Australia back in seventy
Speaker 3: five when the movie was released, and he's with me
Speaker 3: on the line. Rodney, thank you for your time, much appreciated.
Speaker 16: Yes, fine, Michael, it's quite an event to I think
Speaker 16: it's fifty years ago since everybody raced out of the
Speaker 16: water and hayed and wanted to kill Shark.
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose we can almost sum it all up
Speaker 3: in our first question, and that is that despite the
Speaker 3: fear that came as a result of this movie, he
Speaker 3: was incredibly well put together movie.
Speaker 2: Spielberg did his magic.
Speaker 3: But despite that, as you've said, over the years, it
Speaker 3: created a curiosity in these creatures, which in turn has
Speaker 3: ironically led to conservation efforts.
Speaker 16: It's amazing, really running. We're still running our Great White
Speaker 16: Shark expeditions regularly off the South Australian coast and we
Speaker 16: had four times out doing a film recently and they
Speaker 16: said they were all inspired by the charts, by the
Speaker 16: Jaws movie. And you would be unbelievably surprised how many
Speaker 16: people have said told us over the years how it's
Speaker 16: got them interested in charts and one of them to
Speaker 16: learn more. There's been so many articles and magazines, and
Speaker 16: we've actually worked on over eighty different movies documentaries over
Speaker 16: the year from all different countries and they've all been
Speaker 16: so very interested and a lot of all of them
Speaker 16: can nearly quote scenes from the Jaws movies.
Speaker 2: Mind, the damn Jews movie did pay a few of
Speaker 2: your bills.
Speaker 3: So let's go.
Speaker 16: Back a lot over the Yes, I ended up with
Speaker 16: a job as it was acrust the old fault at
Speaker 16: Universal Studios Corridor and had to go around and tell
Speaker 16: stories of and television and stuff. But the interesting thing
Speaker 16: I went on that Jaws ride.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 16: In the unit studios, yeah, Universal Studios, and I really
Speaker 16: was interested in why people would stand for an hour
Speaker 16: and a half and wait to go on the ride.
Speaker 16: And I ended up by coming up with just a
Speaker 16: few words. It's the tingering excitement of fear that people
Speaker 16: get to go on those rides and things that they're
Speaker 16: really interested in. But what really worries me a bit
Speaker 16: is that people say, you know, I have never been
Speaker 16: in the water since I saw the film Jaws. And
Speaker 16: one guy even said to me, I haven't even had
Speaker 16: a bar since I've actually been since I've seen the
Speaker 16: film Jaws. But if people can't work out fiction from fact,
Speaker 16: and imagine all those other horrible movies that are out
Speaker 16: there that they they're learning from and they think that's
Speaker 16: what's normal, that's really quite amazing.
Speaker 2: How yes movie, Well that's a very valid point.
Speaker 3: And of course they'd never get in a taxi, they'd
Speaker 3: never get in a bus, they'd never do anything.
Speaker 2: If they based their life off movies.
Speaker 3: To take me back fifty or so years to when
Speaker 3: you know the Spielberg too, and he was sort of
Speaker 3: starting out. Really he wasn't the big superstar that he
Speaker 3: is now, Steven Spielberg. But I mean you and I
Speaker 3: think Valerie Taylor and Ron and others they sort of
Speaker 3: tapped on the shoulder and said, right, well, we need
Speaker 3: a bit of expertise here.
Speaker 2: Fellas well.
Speaker 16: I was very excited. Ten years before that I'd made
Speaker 16: the first underwater cage. I was badly attacked by great
Speaker 16: white of course, and I wanted to learn more about them,
Speaker 16: to see if it was safe to go back in
Speaker 16: the water. So I invented the shark diving cage, and
Speaker 16: we made the first films right with Ron Taylor as
Speaker 16: the cameraman and he as the expedition organizer and leader.
Speaker 16: And that film went around the world, and it was
Speaker 16: amazing how people would just ring up and ask us
Speaker 16: if we could organize an expedition. And so that's how
Speaker 16: Rodney Fox Shark Expedition started because people just kept contacting us,
Speaker 16: and for twenty years we were the only really place
Speaker 16: in the world where you could film great white sharks.
Speaker 16: And it became quite a and of course the Jaws
Speaker 16: movies was an inspiration to anybody who was a bit
Speaker 16: interested and they wanted to go and see them face
Speaker 16: to face themselves. And it's so our expeditions really have
Speaker 16: been running for sixty years now, all off.
Speaker 2: The Air Peninsula.
Speaker 3: That shark attack, though, was one hell of an attack
Speaker 3: that you suffered, and I mean, I think you would
Speaker 3: say you were lucky to be alive after it.
Speaker 2: It's been recorded as.
Speaker 3: One of the worst ever shark attacks where someone's pulled through.
Speaker 16: I can't believe how I always thought in the back
Speaker 16: of my mind that I've been left here to do
Speaker 16: something on this earth, because nobody would, you know, could
Speaker 16: vibe all that those down wounds. And of course they
Speaker 16: took them on the operating table, and they went around
Speaker 16: the world many times. And I'm still been sending off
Speaker 16: photographs of the scars, you know, and whereas I don't
Speaker 16: show them anymore because I'm they're a bit fat and ugly.
Speaker 16: It was amazing and I often thought I'd been lefty
Speaker 16: to do something. And I look back over my whole
Speaker 16: life and we've really all just worked with sharks and
Speaker 16: sharks and got people to try and understand them and
Speaker 16: those sharks. With over four hundred varieties of sharks in
Speaker 16: the oceans, we've really, you know, with the great white
Speaker 16: of course is the pinnacle one, but there were so
Speaker 16: many other problems in oceans with the overfishing and plastics
Speaker 16: and pollution. Now that been a bit instrumental in helping
Speaker 16: all those because so many people now are researching and
Speaker 16: looking at sharks. We had these four signists out on
Speaker 16: our boat during a film the other day and we
Speaker 16: died with them with great white sharks from South Africa
Speaker 16: and America, and they were really quite interested. And they
Speaker 16: also knew half the words of the Jaws movie.
Speaker 2: It seems to be the basis of the lexicon, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety nine was an important year in this whole
Speaker 3: story for Australia though, because that's when the federal government
Speaker 3: declared the Great white vulnerable to extinction. And when that happens,
Speaker 3: you know, things happen, Things change from a legislative point
Speaker 3: of view. When you think about the movie came out
Speaker 3: on this day in nineteen seventy five, and then it
Speaker 3: took the better part of twenty four years before the
Speaker 3: federal government here is that Actually, you know, if we
Speaker 3: actually scientifically look at the numbers, these things are under pressure.
Speaker 3: Just just give us a sense if you could ron
Speaker 3: if the great whites were hunted to extinction because everyone
Speaker 3: feared them, would what would the ocean ecosystem look like?
Speaker 16: Well, it's basically that they apply pressure to any schools
Speaker 16: of fish that get too large that we eat all
Speaker 16: the food that they eat, or the dolphins or the seals.
Speaker 16: They actually are very good at locating the sick and
Speaker 16: the slow ones because they're easy to catch, the dolphins,
Speaker 16: the seals, the whales, and so they keep our oceans clean.
Speaker 16: And so they're called a major predator in our sea
Speaker 16: for sea life farm and we really need them in
Speaker 16: our oceans. And just to wipe out something from fear
Speaker 16: is not just the thing to do. We've got to
Speaker 16: learn to live with them and not just kill them
Speaker 16: from fear.
Speaker 3: Well, what about those that go into the water, their
Speaker 3: surfers or their ocean swimmers or whatever. What can they
Speaker 3: do to as best as possible not be attractive to
Speaker 3: shark shark's.
Speaker 2: Drawn to us? Or I mean, what's the story with
Speaker 2: the relationship.
Speaker 16: I made my living as an abaloney diver in the
Speaker 16: same order as we're filming all these great white sharks
Speaker 16: for sixteen years. And I used to use the analogy
Speaker 16: that sharks only eight to ten sort of kill eight
Speaker 16: to ten people in the whole world for a year.
Speaker 16: They don't like abalony, and generally speaking, there's a reason.
Speaker 16: And a lot of the surfers that get bidden, of course,
Speaker 16: are in the same area where the sharks are like
Speaker 16: to live, on the reefs where the seas break, and
Speaker 16: that's where the fish live. And so at surfer on
Speaker 16: the surface with his legs over the side looks like
Speaker 16: a dolphin or a seal that could be damage or cook.
Speaker 16: You know, a surfing is not really a good place
Speaker 16: to go. And a lot of our southern headlandes and
Speaker 16: coastlines because that's where the great white sharks hang out.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I guess where where's sort of swimming
Speaker 2: in their supermarket as it were.
Speaker 16: Well, that's right, it's their world out there, and we've
Speaker 16: got to learn to live with them and not just
Speaker 16: kill them from fear. And over the years, the Finders
Speaker 16: University of a lot of people and we on our
Speaker 16: boats have been trying to make available to anybody who's
Speaker 16: got a great shark repellent, And there's been fifteen or
Speaker 16: twenty different times, And there's an electronic shark repellent now
Speaker 16: that you wear that sends out an electrical field that
Speaker 16: keeps sharks they reckon. It's very, very good and the
Speaker 16: results have been by the Frienders University has shown that
Speaker 16: they actually are keep sharks away.
Speaker 3: Just finally, Rodney, because I've soaked up a lot of
Speaker 3: your precious time, but it is fascinating speaking with you.
Speaker 3: Just had a text come in from someone who was
Speaker 3: listening as we speak, and it's from Jeffy saysm mate
Speaker 3: and I were on a surfing trip up Foster Away
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five and we saw the movie Jaws
Speaker 3: for the first time at the local cinema. We didn't
Speaker 3: surf for the rest of the holiday. Now, I mean
Speaker 3: that stockstandard. But having overcome that extraordinary attack, and I've
Speaker 3: seen the photos of what the shark did to you,
Speaker 3: I mean you were a miss. How did you overcome
Speaker 3: what I think would be completely acceptable as a natural
Speaker 3: fear of these creatures to not just go back in
Speaker 3: the water, but to dedicate your life to their preservation.
Speaker 16: And the study of them when I was in hospital.
Speaker 16: They and after about a week I was allowed to
Speaker 16: visit this but they allowed forty visitors to come instead
Speaker 16: of two the normal two, because the doctors thought that
Speaker 16: if they showed that I was really loved and I
Speaker 16: had something to live for, i'd fight hard and to
Speaker 16: fight off any problems that I had. And so I
Speaker 16: noticed at that time that the word shark was really
Speaker 16: a feared and horrible thing, like death and hell and
Speaker 16: the devil up there, you know, the sort of you
Speaker 16: know they're there and they might affect you in time,
Speaker 16: and the fear of not seeing them in the water
Speaker 16: by standing on the beach was really quite a difficult
Speaker 16: thing because you didn't know there was a shark within
Speaker 16: it a few meters or miles away from you. And
Speaker 16: as an adalony as a diet snorkeler in the early
Speaker 16: days when I was attacked, I knew that when you
Speaker 16: had the mask on and you go into nice clear water,
Speaker 16: you can see there were those sharks there, and I
Speaker 16: badly wanted to get that diving again. It was a
Speaker 16: fabulous sport where you not only saw all these incredible
Speaker 16: beautiful scenes, but you got healthy and well at the
Speaker 16: same time, and I certainly wanted to dispel the myths
Speaker 16: that people had that you just had to kill them
Speaker 16: for the safe of fear.
Speaker 3: Well you've done that. It's been an extraordinary right of yours.
Speaker 3: Wonderful to speak with you, Rodney. I've really enjoyed the opportunity.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.
Speaker 16: Yes, thank you for calling all the best.
Speaker 3: Bye bye, Rodney Fox, as I said, instrumental in the
Speaker 3: Sharks scenes in Jewels and Jewels came out on this
Speaker 3: day in nineteen seventy five. You might have seen it
Speaker 3: in the early days. You can tell me your recollections,
Speaker 3: as Jeff did there on the text us up on
Speaker 3: a surfing trip up Foster Way and didn't surf for
Speaker 3: most of the troop after he saw the movie at
Speaker 3: the local cinema one three, one eight seven three. Things
Speaker 3: happening closer to home, of course as well. On the roads, Richard,
Speaker 3: what are you seeing?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 17: Here you going? I was driving along the Horsbury Valley
Speaker 17: Way and there was a thick black smoke coming from
Speaker 17: the bus center are from. I'm pretty sure it's the
Speaker 17: government bus. Say yeah, one of the buses up in flames.
Speaker 17: The fiber gave just ropped up, and yeah, it's just
Speaker 17: really bad with the smoke there at the moment.
Speaker 2: Is this in Malgrave Road? Is that the bus enter there?
Speaker 17: Yes, Yes, I'm pretty sure that's that's the road.
Speaker 3: Yes, And you're it looks as though one of the
Speaker 3: buses inside the center's on fire.
Speaker 17: Yep, it's definitely on fire. And there's a thick black
Speaker 17: smoke coment heading over the Hausby Valley Way right.
Speaker 3: Well, Richard, that's the first we've heard of it. Thank
Speaker 3: you for being our eyes on the road. We'll put
Speaker 3: some calls in and we'll see what's happening there. Just
Speaker 3: to repeat Richard saying at the bus center, I think
Speaker 3: it's a government bus stepot.
Speaker 2: Isn't it.
Speaker 3: At Moulgrove Road There at Maulgrave it does look as
Speaker 3: though a bus is on fire inside the bus depot.
Speaker 3: So we'll try to find out what's happening there in
Speaker 3: the cause of that particular blaze. Pat, Good afternoon.
Speaker 18: Good afternoon. It was interesting your previous interview just what
Speaker 18: knowledge people have and that can lend into films. You
Speaker 18: were talking about Steven Spielberg in the production and the
Speaker 18: directing of that movie Jaws. There is just a segue
Speaker 18: out of that Stielberg's direction. He directed a movie called
Speaker 18: Duel with Dennis Weaver was the actor, and it was
Speaker 18: about two trucks that were driving through I think it
Speaker 18: was California in the desert, and the antagonist was running
Speaker 18: down road rage wise of Dennis Weavers truck. Two large trucks.
Speaker 18: But you never got to see the antagonist. You never
Speaker 18: got to see who was driving the truck that was
Speaker 18: being road rade, you know, doing the road raging, right,
Speaker 18: But you can see Dennis Weaver doing all the acting
Speaker 18: out of the truck. And it is the most nail
Speaker 18: biting I think I've seen. And you know, because you
Speaker 18: look at directors and you look at musicians and you
Speaker 18: kind of track them down. And after Jaws came out,
Speaker 18: you know, Duell kind of hit the screens again for
Speaker 18: a second, you know, reenteration.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 18: Yeah, But if you get to see Duell, it is
Speaker 18: it is the most amazing directing because you never get
Speaker 18: to see the antagonist. The faces always obscured you to
Speaker 18: see his truck driving behind Dennis Weavers truck. And it
Speaker 18: is a classic movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the greats. It's certainly one of
Speaker 3: the classics with that long. I mean here we are
Speaker 3: talking about it fifty years on. A lot of movies
Speaker 3: are made you don't talk about in five minutes after
Speaker 3: they've hit the screen. Let Lane, they go to the
Speaker 3: midday movie. Let alone the fifty years. But here we
Speaker 3: are speaking. Hey, Pat, great call. Thank you for that.
Speaker 3: George on the Texas, I've seen Jaws in three D.
Speaker 3: Absolutely terrifying because you think the shark's about to circle.
Speaker 3: You bet it is, Mitch said, a lot of these
Speaker 3: stories coming in. Mitch says, a maid and I used
Speaker 3: to swim laps of Couldgi Beach. On one swim, I
Speaker 3: saw a hammerhead shark was about five meters below me.
Speaker 3: I made a sharp right turn and swam to shore
Speaker 3: very quickly, and that was the last time I did that.
Speaker 3: Tony says, I was twelve years old. I saw Jaws
Speaker 3: in tweed heads. We're in deck chairs. I was in
Speaker 3: the front row, very scared. Oh this, Karen, Thank you, Karen.
Speaker 3: Steve says I watched Jaws as a fourteen year old.
Speaker 3: It scared me that much that I checked for sharks
Speaker 3: when I have a bath.
Speaker 2: Steve, you need help.
Speaker 3: And this from Dick, He says, with jaws. I noticed
Speaker 3: it from time to time. Some prints have censored that
Speaker 3: wonderful scene where Robert Shaw at the stern of the
Speaker 3: sinking boat is sliding feet first into the Great White's mouth.
Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg wouldn't like to hear that one, after all,
Speaker 3: wasn't the objective to scare the Jesus out of all
Speaker 3: of us? That's from Dick. I haven't noticed the censoring,
Speaker 3: but okay, that's interest one. Others have picked that up.
Speaker 3: Very observant. Good on your Dick, will take a break more.
Speaker 2: In a moment, text after text after text, Rob says.
Speaker 3: Oh that this is regarding that that movie duel was
Speaker 3: a truck and a car, not two trucks. A few
Speaker 3: people have made that point. Thank you, Rob and others.
Speaker 3: Harry says, Mick mack good on you. Harry, Ben said
Speaker 3: had again this morning. He said, I just googled Rodney
Speaker 3: Fox and the shark injuries. They are not for the
Speaker 3: fade hearted. His recovery is a miracle. It is, it is,
Speaker 3: and that's why I said to him, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: you'd be completely forgiven Rodney for hating sharks, being afraid
Speaker 3: of them. Be the natural reaction, and yet he's dedicated
Speaker 3: his life to their preservation. If you said not for
Speaker 3: the fainthe hard, but if you google it, you see
Speaker 3: the injuries, the bite marks, horrendous, horrendous, how he survived.
Speaker 3: I had no idea, Pete says, after Jaws, I'd even
Speaker 3: sit and study a saltwater pool for signs of a fin.
Speaker 3: That's Pete and Kaz, I think speaking on behalf of
Speaker 3: many says ever since I saw I'm never the person furthest.
Speaker 2: Out in the water. Let's get all the latest news
Speaker 2: eron mah Good afternoon.
Speaker 19: Good afternoon, Michael. About thirty eight Australians have been evacuated
Speaker 19: from Israel driven on a bus into Jordan. Azerbaijan is
Speaker 19: looking to be the most likely exit for Australians stuck
Speaker 19: in Iran. Police don't know why thirty four year old
Speaker 19: James Packis was stabbed to death at Belmore in March,
Speaker 19: but they are hoping to find out why, as they
Speaker 19: released security camera footage of a getaway vehicle. A police
Speaker 19: officer has been charged over an alleged domestic violence incident
Speaker 19: in Sydney Southwest. The thirty five year old facing a
Speaker 19: common assault of pens, and an independent evaluation has found
Speaker 19: the federal government's social media age restrictions can be introduced
Speaker 19: in a private, robust and effective way. In sport, the
Speaker 19: NBA Finals are going to a decider after the Indiana
Speaker 19: Pacers beat Oklahoma City Thunder one hundred and eight to
Speaker 19: ninety one to square the series at three all Ozzie
Speaker 19: Johnny Firfey played six minutes for the Pacers. And there'll
Speaker 19: be more news at two o'clock on afternoons.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a nice one for us today, Sonny in seventeen
Speaker 3: for Sydney. Pretty much the same everywhere up to eighteen
Speaker 3: at Richmond, Terry Hills will get to sixteen eighteen at
Speaker 3: Campbelltown as at seventeen everywhere else like Paramounta, Bondai, Pendrith
Speaker 3: and Liverpool Tomorrow, sunny in eighteen in town and mostly
Speaker 3: sunny in nineteen four Sunday. Maybe you drop it to
Speaker 3: a rain Tuesday, but otherwise it looks pretty good. Camberra
Speaker 3: today today in the Capitol sunnay in thirteen for you Tugrinong,
Speaker 3: just that one degree warmer at fourteen minus foured the
Speaker 3: low tomorrow morning it will warm up there at a
Speaker 3: positive fourteen morning frost that'll be burnt away by a
Speaker 3: nice sunny day for Saturday, and then a very similar
Speaker 3: story on Sunday as for Lithgo fifteen the top morning
Speaker 3: frost that's gone now obviously a sunny day there Orange
Speaker 3: thirteen and sunny Mudgie seventeen, Baptist fourteen, katomb but just twelve,
Speaker 3: but the sun is out Spring sixteen and sunny which
Speaker 3: is beautiful at springwood minus two to positive fifteen tomorrow,
Speaker 3: depending on where the sun dials at morning frost and
Speaker 3: sunny for Lithgo. Very similar story on Saturday our Sunday rather,
Speaker 3: but a top of sixteen. Let's get back to all
Speaker 3: of these calls and text Michael, what's your story?
Speaker 20: Mate?
Speaker 15: Yes, mate, it's you, sorry mate. Thirty odd year ago.
Speaker 15: Man and mate fishing in a little four meter ting
Speaker 15: dinghy in Brooklyn, little ten horsepower on the back of it.
Speaker 15: They were looking in the water. Great white shark cruises
Speaker 15: past the boat. He's a true story, guys. He's done
Speaker 15: a ywey. He came back, rolled on his side, looked
Speaker 15: at me. And piped in his boat and his eye
Speaker 15: was as big as a soccer ball, was bigger than
Speaker 15: the boat. This shark and within seconds that motor was
Speaker 15: going and we were on the shore. Brother, we were
Speaker 15: born to this day. I will not get back in
Speaker 15: salt water.
Speaker 4: But this is a Brooklyn, Brooklyn, just up here near Boston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, out in the ocean. You're up, You're up
Speaker 2: the estuary.
Speaker 15: So speak, we're up in Brooklyn. We weren't that far
Speaker 15: off the boat right there, and yet she was. She
Speaker 15: rolled on the side, and I'll never forget that. I'm
Speaker 15: looking at us. Was as big as a soccer ball,
Speaker 15: was huge, and that ended our fish and trip we
Speaker 15: were on that.
Speaker 2: We're on the bank, mate, I would have been there
Speaker 2: faster than you.
Speaker 5: Did.
Speaker 2: You blow a kiss. At least you were polite. I hope.
Speaker 15: I thought I nearly walked on water. It was scary.
Speaker 16: I was telling up, Well.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't if that was all legit, Michael, I would
Speaker 2: be as scared as you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, mate. Here's another one. This is from Stavros.
Speaker 3: He's listening in Adelaide. Gooda Stavross. He says, me and
Speaker 3: a mate we were out fishing off the York Peninsula,
Speaker 3: the big shark territory out there, and he said, a
Speaker 3: great white cruise by us. He was bigger than our
Speaker 3: seventeen foot boat.
Speaker 2: It was huge, had.
Speaker 3: A heap of massive scars along its body, a real
Speaker 3: fighting brute of an eating machine. I'm glad I was
Speaker 3: in a boat that's from Stavross. Okay, Steve Even says,
Speaker 3: did you know the mechanical shark in Jaws was nicknamed
Speaker 3: Bruce by the film crew after Steven Spielberg's lawyer, Bruce Raymer. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I guess that'd makes sense if that's true. Nice bit
Speaker 3: of trivia. Thank you, Stephen. Keep them coming. One three,
Speaker 3: one eight seven three or zero four six, zero eight
Speaker 3: seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 2: I remember my dad said, I went probably back in
Speaker 2: the seventies or so.
Speaker 3: He was up probably of Byron Bail up that way
Speaker 3: before it was trendy, and they were out I don't
Speaker 3: know if they were spear fishing or they were out
Speaker 3: just swimming in pretty deep water. He had a couple
Speaker 3: of mates and the shark he was swimming. The shark
Speaker 3: went under him a fair way under big sharks sort
Speaker 3: of thing, and he noticed it, you know, as soon
Speaker 3: as you see it. I guess a lot of people
Speaker 3: the natural instinct. This was Dad's let's get back to
Speaker 3: the beach fellers, you know, the quick coopie calling out,
Speaker 3: we go, And I said, I've been in the ocean
Speaker 3: plenty of times, never deep sea fishing or anything. I'm
Speaker 3: not that adventurous. But swimming at the beach in the
Speaker 3: harbor of this sort of thing over the years, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'd swim in the harbor anymore.
Speaker 2: Just jumping off a boat into the harbor.
Speaker 3: We used to do it, but I don't think I
Speaker 3: do it now because it's so clean that there is
Speaker 3: a lot of life in the harbor, including sharks. But
Speaker 3: I think jaws. I'm not thinking about jaws and just
Speaker 3: think general self preservation. I don't think i'd do it,
Speaker 3: but you know, normal beaches, yeah, why not. But a
Speaker 3: lot of people it's had this impact fifty years and
Speaker 3: still going. They just won't go near it because of
Speaker 3: the Jaws effect. It's twenty four to two, all right,
Speaker 3: let's get back into it. Twenty minutes to two. Just
Speaker 3: a couple of updates for you. Hear a bit more
Speaker 3: information coming to Handrey that bus fire that our listener
Speaker 3: tipped us off about. Fire and rescue have been in touch.
Speaker 3: The fire is in a bus yard on Curtis Road
Speaker 3: in Moulgrave in the Windsor area. Two fire trucks are
Speaker 3: on the scene fighting the fire. It's the result of
Speaker 3: one bus being alight. Other buses nearby have been moved.
Speaker 3: That's thanks to staff at the bus yards, so they've
Speaker 3: done very well. No injuries thus far reported. The fire
Speaker 3: is expected to be under control shortly now at Fairfield
Speaker 3: House High School and that suspected gas leak we heard
Speaker 3: about early from Adam Dewbry, specialist Hazardous materials Response technicians
Speaker 3: responded to that scene. They haven't been able to locate
Speaker 3: any actual gas in or around the school, so the
Speaker 3: school evacuated early. That was a precaution, but everyone's now
Speaker 3: being returned. I think investigations are ongoing, but the odor
Speaker 3: may be due to some bitumen.
Speaker 2: Being laid on a nearby road.
Speaker 3: I'll have to remember that one next time I get
Speaker 3: stuck in the lift.
Speaker 2: There's no flammability in the air.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying what you were thinking, Joel, and the
Speaker 3: school is returning to normal operations with no injuries.
Speaker 2: Reporter, which is good.
Speaker 3: So that's the latest from Fairfield and the latest from Mulgrave.
Speaker 3: The Mulgrave situation is still ongoing, but it is expected.
Speaker 3: We hear that the fire will be under control shortly.
Speaker 3: Well done to all involved.
Speaker 7: And now the real estate show.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk real estate, of course we do that.
Speaker 3: The wonderful people at Domain and our stults have is
Speaker 3: the champion there and she's with us.
Speaker 7: Hello, Alice, Good afternoon, Michael.
Speaker 3: Great to be with you and with you as well,
Speaker 3: and just a reminder of people have a property they'd
Speaker 3: like valued.
Speaker 2: Alice's the guru and she's got the supercomputers.
Speaker 3: You know, they invested huge money and many nuclear reactors
Speaker 3: and everything to have those data center and is operating
Speaker 3: twenty four seven. So take advantage of it. One three
Speaker 3: one eight seven three, give us some details. We'll pass
Speaker 3: it on to Domain. They'll do the work. We'll get
Speaker 3: you on air and Bob's your uncle, as they say.
Speaker 3: Let's look first at the Sydney market. The auction results,
Speaker 3: another big number coming through over one thousand auctions last week,
Speaker 3: so we're back over the thousand again.
Speaker 21: We are, indeed, and you know that clearance rate last weekend,
Speaker 21: Michael came in at sixty nine percent, So pretty solid
Speaker 21: result given just how much stock there was. And yet
Speaker 21: again we're hearing of these auctions where kind of bidding
Speaker 21: can get a bit scrappy and people are kind of
Speaker 21: just going up in tiny little increments us to try
Speaker 21: to get their nose in front of the line as
Speaker 21: that gavel goes down. But still pretty tough competitions out there. Tomorrow,
Speaker 21: we're seeing six hundred and sixty nine options take place
Speaker 21: around Sydney, okay.
Speaker 2: And the clearance rate was strong, wasn't it almost seventy percent?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 21: Yeah, sorry, that was what I was alluding to. Then,
Speaker 21: you know, nearly seventy percent on that much stock is
Speaker 21: a really good indication. And I think it's also a
Speaker 21: sign that we are going to see those prices rise,
Speaker 21: because that really is that we're sort of getting that
Speaker 21: sweet spot where the demand is actually clearing despite how
Speaker 21: much choice there is for buyers in the market.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'm naive in these sort of things,
Speaker 3: but I sort of stretched my head outs and think
Speaker 3: price is rising again, no doubt above inflation. Where do
Speaker 3: people get all this money from? Like I would have
Speaker 3: thought most people's borrowing capacity was exhausted in the middle
Speaker 3: of COVID when we went on a real gallop, despite
Speaker 3: the men in the bank saying we'd have a collapse.
Speaker 3: But now the price is going again, that seems I mean,
Speaker 3: people's wages haven't been rocketing, so so where is this
Speaker 3: money coming from?
Speaker 21: Well, the short answer is it's probably coming from property investment.
Speaker 21: We know that when people have invested in property historically,
Speaker 21: they are often the ones who are really reaping the
Speaker 21: rewards of that. And I think that's why the whole
Speaker 21: topic of property is so sort of contrariant, and that
Speaker 21: if you're an owner, you're kind of probably quite happy
Speaker 21: about the price gains that you're making on your property. However,
Speaker 21: if you're not, you're a first time buyer, you're worried about, Hey,
Speaker 21: kids are going to get into the market. You have
Speaker 21: this conundrum of thinking, don't let these prices keep racing
Speaker 21: away like they have been. But the reality is that
Speaker 21: people are making that wealth through property. But to get
Speaker 21: into that market in that first instance remains a very
Speaker 21: big challenge for many people who are just quite simple
Speaker 21: at the moment, locked out of it.
Speaker 3: Okay, just on that, I mean the whole domain team.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're always churning through data. And this is
Speaker 3: why it's good we speak to you, because you're the
Speaker 3: head of the curve. Now you're looking at household affordability
Speaker 3: and you're making a forecast for the next financial year
Speaker 3: out of this data. So what are some of the
Speaker 3: predictions here that's coming forward through all of these numbers.
Speaker 21: Well, the forecast data came out this week and what
Speaker 21: it's looking at is what prices may well do in
Speaker 21: the year ahead. Now this is based on three to
Speaker 21: four further interest rate cuts. Now, the alarming and stark
Speaker 21: figure is that Sydney prices are expected to rise around
Speaker 21: seven percent over the next twelve months, which will pip
Speaker 21: that medium to around one point eight two million dollars. Michael,
Speaker 21: and I just I don't know how you sit with that, Michael,
Speaker 21: but I just think, how can that be the average
Speaker 21: price of what you pay for a house in Sydney.
Speaker 21: But yet here we are, having said that, the average
Speaker 21: prices of today's around one point seven million, So we're
Speaker 21: already at that point where many of us are just
Speaker 21: thinking how do we get here and how do I
Speaker 21: guess do we course correct? So that current owners are
Speaker 21: able to maintain their investment and their asset, but also
Speaker 21: open up more opportunity for younger people and future generations.
Speaker 2: Okay, a number like that. I remember being on air.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem like.
Speaker 3: That long ago when we were speaking to the people
Speaker 3: I think from Domain when Sydney's average tipped over.
Speaker 2: The million, and was holy Nellie.
Speaker 3: And we've almost you know, if this is all going
Speaker 3: to be a fruit, by the end of next year,
Speaker 3: will almost be double it, and I don't know a decade.
Speaker 21: Will almost crack. Yeah, and you and I will sit
Speaker 21: here and sort of think, gosh, when will it crack
Speaker 21: two million dollars?
Speaker 17: Now?
Speaker 21: How nuts is that? And as you just said at
Speaker 21: the top there, the issue is that wages are not
Speaker 21: keeping pace with that price growth. So look, what will
Speaker 21: help sort of alleviate a bit of that pressure on
Speaker 21: it is once we get more supply into the market.
Speaker 21: We probably don't have enough hours in the day to
Speaker 21: talk through about when and how, And you know, is
Speaker 21: that coming soon enough to resolve that, Michael? But we
Speaker 21: know that Finally it feels like governments are kind of
Speaker 21: joining forces a bit more, but it is going to
Speaker 21: take time. You can't just click your fingers and sort
Speaker 21: of you know, have that supply arise instantly.
Speaker 3: But you see, like as you said, there's a contrarian
Speaker 3: aspect of the market from a private point of view,
Speaker 3: there's also a contrarian aspect from a governmental point of view,
Speaker 3: as you know, because the higher the prices go, the
Speaker 3: bigger the stamp duty clip because it's based off a
Speaker 3: percentage of the sale price or the land value technically.
Speaker 3: So they are short of money, particularly the Victorian money
Speaker 3: a government, they're broke, and so anything where they can
Speaker 3: bring more money in than they expect it is good
Speaker 3: for them, and so one wonders how invested they really
Speaker 3: are in moderating price growth in the housing market.
Speaker 21: Indeed, that is completely an accurate description that you've just
Speaker 21: given there, And I think that's why for me, I
Speaker 21: would like to eventually see brave policy like looking at
Speaker 21: abolishing stamp duty in favor of that land tax, which
Speaker 21: we've talked about before. But I do think that until
Speaker 21: we're actually going to sort of see government put their
Speaker 21: money where their mouth is and willing to take a
Speaker 21: hit on that instant cash hit they get from stamp duty,
Speaker 21: we're going to be locking out a lot of younger
Speaker 21: people when it comes to home ownership.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Okay, that's a debate. We'll go into those
Speaker 3: numbers again in more detail later. We'll take a break.
Speaker 3: We'll come back with the special guest, Rich Harvey. He's
Speaker 3: a buyer agent, CEO and founder of Property Buyer. I
Speaker 3: want to get his thoughts on a couple of things
Speaker 3: straight after this.
Speaker 2: It's ten to two.
Speaker 3: I want to bring Rich Harvey in here as we
Speaker 3: talk real estate now, because you see, whether you're looking
Speaker 3: at an open home or you're going to an auction
Speaker 3: or whatever, it's important to know what you're getting into
Speaker 3: before making an investment as big as property. Just talking
Speaker 3: about the values there, I mean, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of money on the line, and these days the
Speaker 3: property market across the country's a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker 3: Some areas cooler homes on the market for longer, and
Speaker 3: other areas and locations is pretty hot, so things are
Speaker 3: flipping quickly.
Speaker 2: Now. Some sellers may have staged their home for the sale,
Speaker 2: so they hire furniture. They do is to make it
Speaker 2: look really impressive.
Speaker 3: But as a perspective buy you've got to know what
Speaker 3: you're buying, You've got to be able to see behind
Speaker 3: the veneer as it were. And I think this is
Speaker 3: where people like Rich Harvey come in. As I said,
Speaker 3: Rich as a buyer agent, a CEO and founder a
Speaker 3: property buyer. And he's on the line. Good to speak
Speaker 3: with you. Rich, Thank you for your.
Speaker 4: Time and pleasure. Mica, We're great to chat with you.
Speaker 3: You had a lot of sperience obviously selling homes over
Speaker 3: the years. Do a lot of people stage the property
Speaker 3: to make it look better and hide some sins.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And by the way, I don't sell properly. I
Speaker 4: just buy properly. I've been doing it for twenty five
Speaker 4: years as a buyer's agent. But yes, a lot of
Speaker 4: people do spend the money, and the reason they spend
Speaker 4: the money staging or styling a home is simply to
Speaker 4: create that emotional connection with the buyer. Like you know yourself,
Speaker 4: if you've walked into an open home and it's just
Speaker 4: empty rooms and corridors and it feels soulless compared to
Speaker 4: something that's got beautiful decor. It's been done in a theme,
Speaker 4: like a beach theme or a Hampton style, and you
Speaker 4: look at all the knickknacks, and someone spend anywhere from
Speaker 4: five grand to up to twenty grand plus to really
Speaker 4: create that emotional connection and entice the buyer to fall
Speaker 4: in love with the property and therefore pay a high price.
Speaker 4: So you've got to look beyond those things, to the
Speaker 4: bones of the property before you make your decision.
Speaker 2: I must met.
Speaker 3: When my wife and I bought our property, there wasn't
Speaker 3: too much styling going on, as made too much sins either.
Speaker 3: Let's bring it, of course, Alice, no doubt. A couple
Speaker 3: of questions, Alice, what do you want to ask?
Speaker 10: Rich?
Speaker 21: Yeah, hi, Rich, I think tell me what you think
Speaker 21: about when people go sort of the themed approach in
Speaker 21: their styling. Rich, you know, you might have a modernist
Speaker 21: home and people kind of really lean into styling it
Speaker 21: with moderns furniture or a certain theme. Do you think
Speaker 21: that can really enhance a property for a potential buyer.
Speaker 4: Yes, I do very much so, Alis, And it also
Speaker 4: depends on the suburb and the profile of homes and
Speaker 4: the demographic of the buyers in that area. So there's
Speaker 4: certain suburbs where you definitely spend a lot of money
Speaker 4: to style home in a certain theme. The risk that
Speaker 4: some sellers have indors have is that if they style
Speaker 4: it in the wrong theme or go too crazy with
Speaker 4: pastoral colors, for example, it could actually put some buyers
Speaker 4: off and go, oh, I don't like that, even though
Speaker 4: the bones the property might be good. So I think
Speaker 4: the message here is to just be careful and look
Speaker 4: beyond the styling, to see the functionality of the floor plan,
Speaker 4: see how big the rooms are, because I've seen somehowses
Speaker 4: very cleverly disguised small rooms with three quarter beds or
Speaker 4: minute furniture to make the room look big.
Speaker 2: That's clever.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the bones, you know a lot of first
Speaker 3: home buyers, you know, these are traps for young players,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: So they say this looks good.
Speaker 3: Oh that tap tap wall, pretend you know what you're
Speaker 3: doing as you walk around. That sounds solid. But how
Speaker 3: do people know that what they're buying is actually solid
Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of hidden disasters and waiting
Speaker 3: to be revealed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, first and fundamental thing Michael, You've got to do
Speaker 4: is get an independent pest and building inspection done. You know, me,
Speaker 4: as a buyer's agent, I'm not a qualified builder. So
Speaker 4: what's inside the wall? They could be termite damage. There
Speaker 4: could be water penetration, that could be structural damage. They
Speaker 4: could be rising damp. Those things are not visible to
Speaker 4: the naked eye. And unless you get an experienced building
Speaker 4: inspector and pest inspector, pay your five hundred and six
Speaker 4: hundred dollars. It's money very well spent. In some states
Speaker 4: it's mandatory that properties are sold with a pest and
Speaker 4: building inspection. But if it was my money, I'd get
Speaker 4: my own done. I trust my own building inspector, and
Speaker 4: that way you've got some insurance there to know exactly
Speaker 4: what you're buying.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I completely agree, Rich. I think that due diligence
Speaker 21: can go a long way and saving people money in
Speaker 21: the long run. The other suggestion I've got is also
Speaker 21: when houses look incredibly styled, don't be afraid if you're
Speaker 21: looking at it for an inspection to lift up those
Speaker 21: rugs a little bit. I'm not suggesting go and get
Speaker 21: your husband to move the slow through or something, but
Speaker 21: it is okay to kind of peek around things and
Speaker 21: roll things back a little bit within reason if you
Speaker 21: feel like something could be concealed or hidden by the
Speaker 21: use of styling, and many people do this. You'll often
Speaker 21: see those big oversized rugs in a room and they're
Speaker 21: often covering up a few little cracks in the floor
Speaker 21: or holes in the carpet. So you know, you have
Speaker 21: it in your rights to kind of go and fossic
Speaker 21: about the property a little bit.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Look, when I go through properties and my team
Speaker 4: go through properties, we look at anywhere from thirty eighty
Speaker 4: properties a week, So I'm always opening and closing cupboards,
Speaker 4: checking everything out. I'm opening and sliding the doors to
Speaker 4: check if the roll is a bustard, the windows open,
Speaker 4: the water taps work. You know, I'm obviously not as
Speaker 4: staro as what a pest and building inspector in, but
Speaker 4: I want to do a first path to know it's
Speaker 4: going to meet the grade of what my once and
Speaker 4: then I can say, hey, let's look out, I've saw
Speaker 4: that crack in the wall outside. Let's tell the buildings
Speaker 4: to take special note of that. Or there's a bit
Speaker 4: of paint peeling in this room. Why is that happening?
Speaker 2: Is there?
Speaker 4: And what a penetration getting in?
Speaker 3: You tell, don't be shy, that's got a lot of
Speaker 3: money on the lne Haye Rich, We've got to run
Speaker 3: there's some valuable points there.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. I appreciate it, my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thanks Michael, all the best.
Speaker 3: Rich Harvey there said Buyer Agent, CEO and founder of
Speaker 3: Property Buyer.
Speaker 2: That means we've got to run as well.
Speaker 3: Alice will catch up same time next week.
Speaker 21: Look forward to it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Michael, my pleasure.
Speaker 3: Alice Stoltz there from Domain Susan says. Back in the day,
Speaker 3: it was a batch of biscuits or scones cooking in
Speaker 3: the oven for the open house. These days it's a
Speaker 3: little more complicated and here it seems to be.
Speaker 2: But that's change for you.
Speaker 7: News is next now onto gb and network stations. Back
Speaker 7: to afternoons with Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us as we get into
Speaker 2: the third hour. Do for Clinton.
Speaker 3: Maynard es Squire will be up straight after three o'clock
Speaker 3: with Sydney.
Speaker 2: Now there'll be a lot going on.
Speaker 3: He'll be across all the details as stay Parliament workout
Speaker 3: who should go to jail or not, depend on who
Speaker 3: he's giving evidence. I mean, my goodness, this sort of
Speaker 3: stuff anyway. Word coming through from the federal government too,
Speaker 3: that two eightyf aircraft have been deployed to the Middle East.
Speaker 3: This is not for combat purposes. This is for getting
Speaker 3: Australian citizens out of the Middle East. Two aircraft eightyf
Speaker 3: aircraft ready to evacuate Australians.
Speaker 2: That's the word coming out obviously.
Speaker 3: I think the numbers was something like twelve hundred Australians
Speaker 3: in Israel and fourteen or so one hundred in Iran
Speaker 3: have sought government help to get out.
Speaker 2: Not everybody wants to leave, obviously.
Speaker 3: But I can imagine those that do, so the government's
Speaker 3: going to do their best there one three, one eight
Speaker 3: seven three.
Speaker 2: Now I tell you stay listening this hour because you've
Speaker 2: got to listen for this.
Speaker 7: These Winter Wheel.
Speaker 2: The Winter Wheel.
Speaker 3: Now that's not the Queuter cor but that will be
Speaker 3: the cuter course when you hear that later this hour.
Speaker 3: You've got to get on that prize loan really really fast.
Speaker 3: One three hundred and seven do two eight seven three
Speaker 3: not now, not now, or Olivia and the team will
Speaker 3: go absolutely ballistic at you. They can be like that,
Speaker 3: so just you know, don't test their patience. It's been
Speaker 3: a long week for them out there. Brianna and Olivia.
Speaker 3: I'm getting death stairs, so I'll just in there. But
Speaker 3: when you hear that later, that's when you call as
Speaker 3: quick as you can, and I'll give you the designated caller.
Speaker 3: And of course then we'll spin the wheel. We might
Speaker 3: get old Lucky Fingers over there Joel to do it
Speaker 3: and see if we can give away twenty five hundred
Speaker 3: dollars in cash or something just as good. There's stacks
Speaker 3: of money and great prizes on that wheel to warm
Speaker 3: up a winter day like this for you, So stay
Speaker 3: listening for that later. Also, later this hour, I'm going
Speaker 3: to ask you about chocolate, because I like chocolate. But
Speaker 3: there was a story bouncing around one of the papers overseas,
Speaker 3: and it's one of those questions that I don't know
Speaker 3: if humanity is yet resolved. It depends on the type
Speaker 3: of chocolate we're speaking of here. But do you keep
Speaker 3: it in the fridge or not? Now, my wife is
Speaker 3: insistent the chocolate goes in the fridge, and I'm not
Speaker 3: a big fan on that. But in some cases, yeah,
Speaker 3: certain chocolate bars, but Mars bars I don't think belong
Speaker 3: in the fridge because then when you chew into the
Speaker 3: newgar caramel, it almost rips your fillings out. You want
Speaker 3: them soft, in the inside and so it's horses for cause. Anyway,
Speaker 3: the UK Telegraph's done a bit of a show, we say,
Speaker 3: scientific study on some different types of chocolate bars and
Speaker 3: whether they're better to chill or not to chill.
Speaker 2: I'll throw that your way and.
Speaker 3: Get your expert take family of chocolate loving listeners between
Speaker 3: now and three.
Speaker 7: O'clock now one afternoons Friday. Food Well.
Speaker 3: I mentioned this last week, but looks some sad news
Speaker 3: for the hospitality scene in Sydney because a great culturals
Speaker 3: about to change hands. Rudy Deats he owns one of
Speaker 3: Sidney's oldest restaurants, Stuyvesant's House. No many of you have
Speaker 3: been there over the years. It's known for its German hospitality,
Speaker 3: extraordinary food, located in Crowsness, but the property is about
Speaker 3: to go under the hammer. I think the auctions next
Speaker 3: week in fact, and Rudy himself is looking to retire,
Speaker 3: but who could blame him after decades at the top.
Speaker 3: It'll be sorely missed though by people all over Sydney.
Speaker 3: And when I mentioned this last week many of you
Speaker 3: made that point. Memories came flooding back. For decades many
Speaker 3: have enjoyed the authentic German and European offerings on the menu,
Speaker 3: and they're not easy to get in Sydney these days.
Speaker 3: The pork knuckle, of course famous, the Stetzel, the extensive
Speaker 3: and expansive wine list. Probably they're almost better known for
Speaker 3: that than the food. It's all at Stuyvesant House and
Speaker 3: it's been in Rudy's trusted hands with his brother Max
Speaker 3: for decades. But as they say, all good things have
Speaker 3: to come to an end. But before it ends, I
Speaker 3: wanted to speak to Rudy and share my thanks for
Speaker 3: the wonderful meals I've had there a no doubt on
Speaker 3: behalf of many of you, and he's on the line
Speaker 3: with us, the owner of Stuyvesant's House in Crosn's really date,
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, and thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Rudy.
Speaker 20: You will come anytime.
Speaker 2: It's been an incredible ride.
Speaker 3: The hospitality trade in Sydney's tough, as you've told me
Speaker 3: before when we've been dining there.
Speaker 2: How did you survive all of these years?
Speaker 20: Well, if you're on a good thing, stick to it
Speaker 20: and always do it right. What do you think is right?
Speaker 20: I think that's the main thing, and hospitality is a
Speaker 20: great word. And one third of all the world's people
Speaker 20: working there are in hospitality. And you know, looking after people.
Speaker 20: You're not cleaning windows, you're not changing tires. There's nothing
Speaker 20: wrong with their job eitherle but you're looking after people.
Speaker 20: You're looking after their health, they're looking after their food
Speaker 20: and a nice class of wine. Like we say, a
Speaker 20: day without vine is like a day without sunshine. And
Speaker 20: it makes it all good. Nice table around, everybody is around,
Speaker 20: and they're all friends, and they're all talking to each other,
Speaker 20: business discussions, whatever. It's fantastic, it's great. It's a good job.
Speaker 20: I wouldn't do anything else in my life. I would
Speaker 20: do it again.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the start.
Speaker 3: I remember speaking to you on a number of occasions
Speaker 3: there as you were delivering that hospitality to me at
Speaker 3: my table, and you made the point that you know
Speaker 3: you were I suppose we'd say, classically trained in this,
Speaker 3: in this profession, and you treated it as a profession.
Speaker 3: And there was something I think you said was you
Speaker 3: lamented to a degree that there's not enough people or
Speaker 3: institutions in Australia that treat hospitality as a profession. It's
Speaker 3: almost just a way to make money for some people
Speaker 3: as they go through university or something. So do we
Speaker 3: in Australia generally lack that professional aspect of hospitality.
Speaker 20: Well, if you go to Europe, it is a profession.
Speaker 20: And when I say people saying to me, how long
Speaker 20: you've been in the game, I really rechecked this. I
Speaker 20: said to him, I'm not in a game. I'm in
Speaker 20: a business. I did four year apprenticeship in the Black Forest,
Speaker 20: one year in Austria and four years in Switzerland just
Speaker 20: to get to know things. In Germany views to cook
Speaker 20: with oil and margarine. In Switzerland we cooked with cream
Speaker 20: and battle. So I learned the halfway. And you learn
Speaker 20: from scratch. You learn from the bottom up. And it's
Speaker 20: in building you.
Speaker 10: You.
Speaker 20: It's it's your status. You it just made it. It's
Speaker 20: And I came to Australia in nineteen seventy on the
Speaker 20: third of October, and I've been opening up a few
Speaker 20: restaurants for other people and they're all being successful and
Speaker 20: my place after people say sometimes because I'm a bit
Speaker 20: naughty or a bit straightforward, I said to him, hey,
Speaker 20: look i'm there fifty three years. I wouldn't be there
Speaker 20: fifty fifty three years if I did everything wrong. I
Speaker 20: might have stood on some people's clothes, or I said
Speaker 20: something wrong, or I at best on the wrong way
Speaker 20: because I didn't know any better. I'm sorry, but that's
Speaker 20: how it is.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: October three, nineteen seventy is a date you obviously remember.
Speaker 3: Why Why did you come to Australia, Because, as you said,
Speaker 3: the hospitality scene in Europe is the best in the world.
Speaker 3: The training's there at the fine restaurants, so there, Why
Speaker 3: make the journey out here?
Speaker 20: Okay, it's a bit of a story. Our father was
Speaker 20: in stalin guard and he said, young ones, I'd done
Speaker 20: enough for you. So I went to neutral country. Austria
Speaker 20: is nutros Vittal and is neutral. I didn't want to
Speaker 20: go to the army, so I thought, I come two
Speaker 20: years to Australia, and I got stuck. I got married,
Speaker 20: got two children, I got stuck again for another two children,
Speaker 20: and I'm here. I've got four kids. And I called
Speaker 20: my father and I believe them.
Speaker 2: I love you. So you got stack.
Speaker 3: There's worse places to get stack, obviously you mentioned over
Speaker 3: the all these decades of hospitality, though not not everyone
Speaker 3: that comes in as just a client. Some become friends
Speaker 3: over that time, don't.
Speaker 20: They absolutely, And with tears in my eyes, I would
Speaker 20: I have to walk out here because people were here
Speaker 20: in the last few days. They've been coming here for
Speaker 20: forty years, and they have their children next to them,
Speaker 20: and I just have to turn around because I get teary.
Speaker 20: I just it's just amazing journey. And you know, kids
Speaker 20: come in and I call you Uncle Rudy or Uncle Max.
Speaker 20: It is just absolutely fantastic. It is, it is. It
Speaker 20: is a great job, and it's great to have people
Speaker 20: like this that don't go out without saying goodbye. They
Speaker 20: come from table number sixteen, which is by the window.
Speaker 20: They come all the way to the kitchen to thank
Speaker 20: you and to embase you and say see you later.
Speaker 20: All the best, and you know, Christmas and New Year's
Speaker 20: we talk to each other either over the telephone or
Speaker 20: saying hello to each other. It's a family. It's a big, big, big,
Speaker 20: big family. It's a big family. Stuyvesant's House is a
Speaker 20: big family. And if I ever upset somebody, I'm sorry,
Speaker 20: but it's just my stupid German mouth. I can't help.
Speaker 20: But it's just straight forward. Some people like it, some
Speaker 20: people don't.
Speaker 3: I'm married to a German lady, So I understand what
Speaker 3: you're talking about. The food, of course, is the celebration
Speaker 3: of the restaurant. That's been the corner stone of the
Speaker 3: success all of these decades. And we've got to talk
Speaker 3: about Max, your brother, don't we, because I mean he's
Speaker 3: slaving away in the kitchen as you're working hard out
Speaker 3: on the floor.
Speaker 2: You made it.
Speaker 20: Well, Max, Max has the tired and he does his
Speaker 20: own thing. Now I'm in the kitchen back where I
Speaker 20: started when I first opened the restaurant in nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 20: to go from Bernard DeJong, a fantastic chef, a Dutch gentleman,
Speaker 20: absolute gentleman, and you know, been going ever since. And
Speaker 20: then Max came back, or he came in five years
Speaker 20: later than me and helped me at the restaurant, and
Speaker 20: he opened up his own restaurant and didn't come back.
Speaker 20: And it was a good journey. It was a good journey.
Speaker 20: It was a good It's something you cannot repeat. When
Speaker 20: I went to the fish market to bought something and
Speaker 20: I said to Max, can you get me something like this,
Speaker 20: this and this and this, and he already had it
Speaker 20: in his hand. It was like mental celebrity. It was
Speaker 20: a transformation without words. It's it's it can't be a
Speaker 20: But unfortunately that has come to an end too. I'm
Speaker 20: very sad about it. But have a look. Each one
Speaker 20: goes our own way with it.
Speaker 3: This way, that's light, that's life, and you're going your
Speaker 3: own way out of Stuyvesant House. I assume the name
Speaker 3: will live on. Hopefully someone buys it next week at
Speaker 3: auction and it carries on.
Speaker 20: Right, Well, we see how it go. It's it's not
Speaker 20: with an easy half, okay, because there's a lot of
Speaker 20: half blood in this restaurant every day, day and night
Speaker 20: to come in, open the door, go to the fish
Speaker 20: market at five o'clock in the morning, or the Virtue Market,
Speaker 20: taking your trolley getting the vegetables and whistling along and
Speaker 20: saying hello to everybody, all the Italian friends which I
Speaker 20: have at the Virtue Market. And it's amazing. It's it's
Speaker 20: it's it's a culture. It's a culture, and the culture
Speaker 20: is embedded in Europe and it's certainly has taken on
Speaker 20: in Australia. When I first came here, they used to
Speaker 20: drink wine out of bound paper bag because they weren't
Speaker 20: allowed to drink alcohol. Open on the road and have
Speaker 20: a look at Bob because now fifty years, I'm so
Speaker 20: happy to be fifty years involved in the Australian wine industry.
Speaker 20: The wine has grown so much, so fantastic, beautiful wines
Speaker 20: and if you store them, probably have evidence of the wine.
Speaker 20: And you give them to people and they're enjoying it
Speaker 20: and they say wow, because it's just delightful to have
Speaker 20: a thirty or forty old wine and it just falls
Speaker 20: over your tongue and has an elegance to it and
Speaker 20: a body to it. It's fabulous. It's magic. It's just
Speaker 20: in this type of goal. It's just fabulous. And then,
Speaker 20: like you said, the folk knuckles. But last night I
Speaker 20: made some wheel filets and they're melded in the mouth
Speaker 20: that pats a part of it, and take them all
Speaker 20: down in the cellar because there's not enough.
Speaker 3: Woom speaking of a cellar, because that was everyone's fear
Speaker 3: when the big fire happened, that the cellar would go,
Speaker 3: but it survived. What what happens to the contents of
Speaker 3: the cellar when you sell?
Speaker 20: Well, I've got a warehouse in length Off and I'm
Speaker 20: gonna do a little wine shop and sell the wine
Speaker 20: when I feel. When I'm in Australia, I like to
Speaker 20: travel a little bit. I like to go overseas. I
Speaker 20: like maybe do a nice little bruise or just spend
Speaker 20: some time in Southeast Asia. I'd like to go to
Speaker 20: China anything. I mean, the world is open, the Western
Speaker 20: world is still open, and you can travel. It'd be great,
Speaker 20: But we don't know how long. Maybe I'm lucky and
Speaker 20: I find a nice partner.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 20: Excuse me, Have you got a sister?
Speaker 5: I got.
Speaker 3: No, I don't, but I'll think for you and I'll
Speaker 3: see if i can come up with some solutions.
Speaker 20: Call anytime.
Speaker 3: I'm ready, all right, wonderful to speak to you. Congratulations
Speaker 3: on all of those decades of success.
Speaker 20: Yes, thank you very much. All the very best to
Speaker 20: your two and thank you for calling my pleasure.
Speaker 3: Rudy Deats he's a legend in the hospitality scene, one
Speaker 3: of the best, and the owner of Starves at.
Speaker 2: House Willie on the Texas.
Speaker 3: If you like German and Austrian food, you've got to
Speaker 3: get to jaeger Stuba at Schofield.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a beer hall type thing and great
Speaker 3: drinks as well, and Oscar is going to make you welcome.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll drop that one down because I'm always
Speaker 3: looking for good food of that part of Europe. I
Speaker 3: like that sort of food, but you can't find it everywhere,
Speaker 3: So all right, Jaeger Stuba, that'schofield. Thanks for the tip, William,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Just before we get to Clinton, the situation
Speaker 3: in the Middle East continues to unfold, obviously, and I
Speaker 3: guess it's only a matter of time until certain airlines
Speaker 3: say it's too risky, which I'm certainly keeping an eye on,
Speaker 3: because as you know, next week I'm taking a bunch
Speaker 3: of well a week after next for a lot of
Speaker 3: our listeners, so we're heading over to Europe for a
Speaker 3: cruise with our sponsors Travel right, and so I've got
Speaker 3: a commercial arrangement with them. But that's all going to
Speaker 3: be taking place in the coming weeks, and many people
Speaker 3: will be, no doubt flying en route to Europe via
Speaker 3: the Middle East, because that's what happens with a lot
Speaker 3: of the airlines these days. So everyone will be checking
Speaker 3: their respective airlines and tickets. But I see here this
Speaker 3: has just come through that two American airliners have stopped
Speaker 3: regular flight routes to the Middle East. Amid all of
Speaker 3: these escalating tensions. American airlines are going to suspend their
Speaker 3: flights to Doha and Kata, and United Airlines have made
Speaker 3: the same decision about flights to Dubai and the UAE.
Speaker 3: Now it's important to stress that Qatar, the UAE and
Speaker 3: Dubai are not being hit by missiles. These are missiles
Speaker 3: going between Israel and Iran, often over Saudi airspace or
Speaker 3: Jordanian airspace or something like that. But these American airlines
Speaker 3: have decided it's too risky. Both airlines said they're monitoring
Speaker 3: the situation and they're working to rebook customers. And as
Speaker 3: the article with AP says, the move from the US
Speaker 3: airlines follows similar cancelations by dozens of other carriers which
Speaker 3: had already canceled a large number of services to cities
Speaker 3: between Israel and Iran and Jordan. Now I can understand
Speaker 3: those flights being canceled, but when you look at a
Speaker 3: map Dubai, for example, and also the UAE, which is
Speaker 3: Emirates Edti Hads home base, they are at that northern
Speaker 3: tip of the Arabian Peninsula, not far from the Strait
Speaker 3: of Homwitz, and there is a lot of concern that
Speaker 3: if the next step will be taken by Israel or
Speaker 3: Iran to try to leverage a stronger position here, that
Speaker 3: that very narrow body of water between the Arabian Peninsula
Speaker 3: and what we used to call Persia will be blocked
Speaker 3: or bombed, and that would be getting very very close
Speaker 3: for comfort for a lot of those airlines that service
Speaker 3: the Australia into Europe market, for example.
Speaker 2: So keep an eye on this. It is forever unfolding.
Speaker 7: It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out
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Speaker 2: Well there he is, Clinton Maynard, Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Michael.
Speaker 22: Will certainly keep our listeners aggressive for the developments in
Speaker 22: the Middle East, and there is more news about airlines,
Speaker 22: particularly given it's such a such a hubbyist route now
Speaker 22: for Australian based passengers, whether they're flying the Middle East
Speaker 22: in the airways or the others, will be across all that.
Speaker 22: I'll try to keep up to date with what's happening
Speaker 22: in mcquarie Street at the moment. So the Usher of
Speaker 22: the Black Rod has his j has keys rattling around
Speaker 22: in his back pocket in the moment, just figuring out
Speaker 22: what the process is from here on.
Speaker 7: Joking.
Speaker 22: Look, what's going on at the moment is unprecedented with
Speaker 22: the demand to arrest five staff. But that's actually what's
Speaker 22: the outcome of this parliamentary inquiry today because the five staff,
Speaker 22: as I was explaining to Mark leeby this morning, didn't
Speaker 22: arrive and that they did submit a letter asking to
Speaker 22: be excused, but that was rejected by the committee's chairman.
Speaker 22: Because that has occurred, the committee now puts the issue
Speaker 22: over to the President of the Upper House, Ben Franklin.
Speaker 22: So it's now to Ben Franklin.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of hurdles to go through.
Speaker 22: Before the Usher of the Black World was actually arresting people,
Speaker 22: or it's the sergeant at arms or the other police
Speaker 22: sewer based at Parliament House, Ben Franklin has to convince
Speaker 22: a Supreme Court justice that there are grounds to make
Speaker 22: an arrest five arrests here And.
Speaker 2: It all sounds very guy forksis, doesn't it.
Speaker 22: All of this There's also the issue, as I've been
Speaker 22: discussing on my show yesterday but also today, that that
Speaker 22: Ben Franklin has issues here about his own position.
Speaker 2: He was an ex NAT, wasn't he.
Speaker 22: He was the ex nat who was recruited by Chris Mins,
Speaker 22: and he's reasonably close to mister Min's out of politics,
Speaker 22: and if he was to refuse the request to make
Speaker 22: the application of the Supreme Court, there could be no
Speaker 22: confidence in him on Tuesday, which puts it risk his
Speaker 22: three hundred thousand dollars a year job, and he's fancy
Speaker 22: office and so forth, so he will also be torn.
Speaker 22: He's not in Sydney at the moment's my understanding. So look,
Speaker 22: there's a lot of water to the flow under the
Speaker 22: bridge here. I don't think the five staff members are
Speaker 22: going to be spending the weekend in the lock up,
Speaker 22: and they wouldn't actually be going off to jail. And
Speaker 22: I have confirmed there is no dungeon underneath stars.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, theoretically, where does one lock
Speaker 3: them up well in the dining room or what.
Speaker 22: There was a thought that there were certain dungeons under
Speaker 22: It's very old building, right, and both political parties have
Speaker 22: dirt units that dig up information on people within their
Speaker 22: own parties. So there was a suggestion maybe this dirt
Speaker 22: you know, underneath Parliament House in Macquarie Street, and they
Speaker 22: could use that premises as a temporary jail for these parliamentary.
Speaker 2: Operatives, rogues, the stooges.
Speaker 22: What it actually happened is so if this if a
Speaker 22: Supreme Court justice ordered their arrest, they would most likely
Speaker 22: have the officers at the Parliament would most lockily knock
Speaker 22: on the door, although they're based in a different building
Speaker 22: in the city. They probably confined them to their parliamentary
Speaker 22: office until they're physically taken into the mcquarie room, which
Speaker 22: is where this inquiry has been conducted, and sit there
Speaker 22: and take questions. They won't be behind bars.
Speaker 3: So it's all very cosplay in all ways. All right, Okay,
Speaker 3: so we await all of that wonderful theatrics in the meantime,
Speaker 3: what else are you covering?
Speaker 22: I'm really excited to be speaking to either Davies after
Speaker 22: If you think about the hits that Ice House pro
Speaker 22: Juice back in particularly in the nineteen eighties, Man of Colors,
Speaker 22: which was the first album I owned on cassette, so
Speaker 22: it would have been around eighty six eighty seven, five
Speaker 22: singles married to the Australian top ten from Man of Colors.
Speaker 3: So looking forward to talking to I legendies about that
Speaker 3: wonderful Okay, look forward to listening to that. Thank you
Speaker 3: Clinton Clinton Maynard was sitting now straight after three o'clock.
Speaker 3: Now let's get the latest news eron Margaret after.
Speaker 19: The good afternoon. Michael of Parliamentary Inquiries considering further action
Speaker 19: after senior government staffers didn't turn up to give evidence
Speaker 19: over the Dural caravan incident. The federal government's being urged
Speaker 19: to engage more broadly on the issue of digital health
Speaker 19: as it gets closer to introducing social media age restrictions.
Speaker 19: New South Wales Health has issued and alert after a
Speaker 19: traveler infected with measles fluid as Sydney from Vietnam on
Speaker 19: Monday morning, and firefighters have launched a b Fire Safe
Speaker 19: Winter campaign identifying older Australians and those with disabilities as
Speaker 19: the most at risk in the winter months. In Sport,
Speaker 19: dozens of people required medical assistance because of heat related
Speaker 19: illnesses on the second day of racing at Royal Ascot,
Speaker 19: just outside London. The event attracted over forty one thousand
Speaker 19: spectators with temperatures peaking at twenty nine degrees. There'll be
Speaker 19: more news at three o'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 1: A finance update for Pretzel, Wealth and Finance, Trusted Financial Planning,
Speaker 1: just Google.
Speaker 7: Blake went to Pretzel.
Speaker 3: It's hard to believe, isn't if they had an empire
Speaker 3: and they all start falling over twenty nine Celsius. Let's
Speaker 3: get the latest from the stock market. Of course, that's
Speaker 3: one to watch at the moment with everything going on.
Speaker 3: Scott Phillips from the Motley fool Full dot com.
Speaker 2: Dot la Scott Michael Good afternoon, Good grief.
Speaker 3: They sent the tough ones down here, didn't they? Pearly
Speaker 3: over twenty nine at Ascott Good unbelievable. Is the chill
Speaker 3: Champagne enough? One of the big four accounting firms PwC Australia,
Speaker 3: they might have a few at Ascott Family Enough.
Speaker 2: The profits slumped seventeen percent.
Speaker 8: Yeah, big fall a third lower in total since the
Speaker 8: accounting got the cut government contract scandal of a couple.
Speaker 20: Of years ago.
Speaker 8: They are doing well. I was going to say they're
Speaker 8: doing it tough. I wouldn't say that necessarily. Revenues down
Speaker 8: six percent, profits down seventeen percent. The average partner six
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty eight of them still managed to walk
Speaker 8: away with seven hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars, so
Speaker 8: they're going to be okay, mate, speaking of it, Speaking
Speaker 8: of it, For the Chill Champaign to be able tofford
Speaker 8: a little bit of that, it's a yeah. Look, it's
Speaker 8: been a fall from gra from PwC reputation wise more
Speaker 8: than anything, particularly a lot of those government contracts, and
Speaker 8: that's what's behind a lot of this revenue loss. Got
Speaker 8: to say, though only six percent fall, you'd be pretty
Speaker 8: happy that given what happened, given the reputational damage they took.
Speaker 8: So yes, down should be deserved to be, frankly, I think.
Speaker 8: But hopefully for them, they'll turn this thing around. Hopefully
Speaker 8: for the rest of us, they can put that wall
Speaker 8: between government work and other private client work and make
Speaker 8: sure that we're being looked after. I'm sure they made
Speaker 8: those changes already, by the way, so that should be
Speaker 8: the story.
Speaker 20: Of the future.
Speaker 8: But PwC, Yes, revenue down, profits down, but still doing okay.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now, the markets and the dollar, I mean a lot
Speaker 3: of focus on oil and energy stockside. Imagine CBA, though
Speaker 3: that still seems to be rollicking along. We might have
Speaker 3: a look at that next week. But broadly, how are
Speaker 3: we going?
Speaker 8: Yeah, another record for CBA this week, by the way,
Speaker 8: doing remarkably well. The market's underwater, but we've actually halved
Speaker 8: our losses. About midday was the low point of the day,
Speaker 8: so still down, but by two tenths of one percent.
Speaker 8: It was down about double ad as I said, seven
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty six points for the all ordinaries. Meanwhile,
Speaker 8: in the currency markets, the dollar is down against the
Speaker 8: era on the pound, but only up. Actually, buy a
Speaker 8: tup now against the US dollar a tenth of a
Speaker 8: percent of the good sixty four point nine one US aps.
Speaker 3: Actually, just by one more minute of your time, Scot,
Speaker 3: just quickly on CBA, because you know most people have
Speaker 3: shares in it through their superfund, I'd imagine, but just
Speaker 3: quickly on the movement all of.
Speaker 2: These record stock highs.
Speaker 3: How much of that is reflecting genuine value in the
Speaker 3: brand or how much is simply money leaving, let's say,
Speaker 3: other socks that are deemed more risky and moving to
Speaker 3: a perceived safe haven. Because I'm no stock picker or economists.
Speaker 3: But you look at the valuation of CBA and how
Speaker 3: much it's gone up the last twelve months, do you
Speaker 3: think is is that based off the actual value of
Speaker 3: the bank or is there something else going on here.
Speaker 8: I don't think it can be, Michael. I think you
Speaker 8: absolutely nailed it. Is a bit of the grew six
Speaker 8: percent last year, which is not bad. The other banks
Speaker 8: were pretty flat, so it's done pretty well. Pe Rashow
Speaker 8: price to Earning's Racehof twenty nine times now the average
Speaker 8: from the market closer to sixteen or seventeen times, so
Speaker 8: not far off double the price you're paying CBA, by
Speaker 8: the way across the morning, So I reckon it's a sell.
Speaker 8: The consensus estimates I've seen there's two holes, five moderate cells,
Speaker 8: and nine strong cells. Everybody is selling you these things
Speaker 8: over the value. But it keeps going out because people
Speaker 8: keep buying the shares. I think it is Mate. There's
Speaker 8: a acrium in the trade, Tina. There is no alternative.
Speaker 8: I think right now people are looking at that saying, well,
Speaker 8: I could be somewhere else, or I could be with CBA.
Speaker 8: I know that I trust them. They have done well
Speaker 8: for forty years. I guess I'll stick my money there.
Speaker 8: The risk for investors, of course, is even when that
Speaker 8: trade unwinds and people start selling and going back to
Speaker 8: other things, there may be downside for the share price.
Speaker 8: So you got to be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 8: Good for now, hopefully shareholders on the stage where it is,
Speaker 8: by the way, but a risk given the valuation and
Speaker 8: by the way, that price earnings ratio more than double
Speaker 8: the average of the other three of the big four banks.
Speaker 8: So I teld you how much investors love CBA, but
Speaker 8: also how stretched that valuation probably is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad I asked.
Speaker 3: Okay, have a good Friday. Thank you, Scott, appreciate all
Speaker 3: of that. Thanks Michael Scott Phillips.
Speaker 2: Chief investment officer from the Motley full dot com dot you.
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Speaker 2: In a moment, Joel will warm up his.
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Speaker 2: Won after this.
Speaker 3: Now we've got track of the day coming up, so
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Speaker 2: But let's do the winter Wheel.
Speaker 3: We have Damiens sitting there waiting to take something home. Damian,
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Speaker 8: Oh, that'd be a fantastic right away in the work,
Speaker 8: I think, Michael, what do you reckon?
Speaker 2: I think? So?
Speaker 3: All right, yes, well I'm not in the running, but
Speaker 3: I'd love to give it to you. All Right, here
Speaker 3: we go, Joel, it's not it's look, let me just
Speaker 3: put it this way as a caveat, as a legal statement.
Speaker 3: Whatever happens has nothing to do with me. I'm not
Speaker 3: spinning the wheel. Joel is all right.
Speaker 8: So if you're lucky, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say if you're lucky, it's thanks to Joel.
Speaker 3: If you're unlucky. I'll give you his home address. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Go, Here you go.
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Speaker 3: Here we go, round you go, Joel, beautiful spin go
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Speaker 2: All in the rest he's been practicing. Okay, where are we?
Speaker 2: Where are we?
Speaker 5: All?
Speaker 2: Keep going, keep going, keep going? Fifteen hundred.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good, beauty, one thousand and five hundred, thanks
Speaker 3: to Joel. Now that'll take six months to get to
Speaker 3: you because that's half a year's salary for him.
Speaker 2: But there you go. Damien, you fleeced him and it's
Speaker 2: all going to you. Well done. What are you going
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Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 20: Mate?
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Speaker 8: Enjoy some of it, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: There you go. It's pretty straightforward.
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Speaker 2: Now, chocolate. I was going to ask you about chocolate,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's this story in the UK Telegraph and
Speaker 3: it's debating one of these it's not age old because
Speaker 3: we haven't had refrigeration forever, have we, But nor have
Speaker 3: we had chocolate forever.
Speaker 2: But what to do with chocolate?
Speaker 3: Is it best stored in the fridge or is it
Speaker 3: best left in the cupboard. Now, I'm a cupbed kind
Speaker 3: of guy. My wife likes to put the chocolate in
Speaker 3: the fridge. I will eat it out of the fridge.
Speaker 3: I'm not that fussy. But I think, you know, certain
Speaker 3: maybe it's maybe I should say certain chocolates don't belong
Speaker 3: in the fridge.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say that as a statement. If
Speaker 2: you've got or something they.
Speaker 3: Don't belong, they should be soft in the center, have
Speaker 3: them in the have them in the capboard. But this
Speaker 3: I think is coming out of the UK now because
Speaker 3: you know, as you heard in the news, they're having
Speaker 3: these sweltering conditions, you know, it's twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 2: Don't have the in its virtue.
Speaker 3: So the debates on should the chocolate go into the
Speaker 3: fridge or otherwise we really end up with some sort
Speaker 3: of big, brown, messy puddle of sweetness. Well, according to
Speaker 3: recent research, fifty three percent of the palms regularly keep
Speaker 3: their chocolate in the fridge, insisting it makes for a
Speaker 3: more refreshing way to get their summer fix. But traditionalists
Speaker 3: are appalled. They point out that the cold dulls the
Speaker 3: flavor of the chocolate, and it does. Cold dulls the
Speaker 3: flavor of everything. If you want a really good tasting tomato,
Speaker 3: you don't leave it in the fridge because it'll kill
Speaker 3: a lot of the flavors. Same for fruit and what
Speaker 3: so chocolate's no different anyway. So they've done the hard
Speaker 3: work for us here. I mean, this must have been
Speaker 3: extremely strenuous, high level research. But they've gone through and
Speaker 3: listed a few things that we would certainly recogniz I've
Speaker 3: got a couple of things over there we don't get.
Speaker 2: But Cadbury dairy milk we know about that.
Speaker 3: The verdict is chill it. That should go on the
Speaker 3: chill put it in the fridge. Tob larone. That's a
Speaker 3: bit controversial. They say the toblaron should go in the fridge.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's sort of reminiscent of a
Speaker 3: Swiss Alpine peak, but I think toblerone's better unchilled.
Speaker 2: But that's just me.
Speaker 3: Now, they've got to think over there called Tony's Chocoalony
Speaker 3: milk chocolate.
Speaker 2: I think we have that. We do, Joel says we do.
Speaker 2: I've never bought it.
Speaker 3: But if you like Tony's Chocoalony something rather, you don't chill.
Speaker 2: That apparently, I don't know why you don't, but you
Speaker 2: do dairy milk. I don't know. Then there's the Green
Speaker 2: and Blacks.
Speaker 3: White chocolate, and they say that's okay either way.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 3: That's one for the undecided lint. You don't chill lint. No,
Speaker 3: well you shouldn't because it's got that really soft creamy
Speaker 3: like you know, like why would you do that. Ferrero
Speaker 3: Rocher milk chocolate, a hazelnut bar. They say that goes
Speaker 3: in the fridge. Okay, Cadbury dairy milk with the caramel
Speaker 3: inside always chill. Really, I would have thought you wanted
Speaker 3: the caramel center to be really ooey and gooey and whatever.
Speaker 3: The other seven dwarves were right, Why would you want
Speaker 3: that chilled? And then Mars bars? I see, this is
Speaker 3: the one they say to chill it. I understand, but no,
Speaker 3: I mean again, you want the caramel and the newgard
Speaker 3: to be soft, maybe just temporarily five minutes, just to
Speaker 3: knock the edge on the chocolate. But the rest of it, no,
Speaker 3: you don't want that hard. The last thing when you're
Speaker 3: going to have a treat is to then take your
Speaker 3: filling out right, So why would you do it anyway?
Speaker 3: You might want to throw your two bobs worth in
Speaker 3: on that. There's no prize on offer. You just might
Speaker 3: want to share your wisdom over the years of chilling
Speaker 3: or non chilling your chocolates.
Speaker 2: One three one eight seven three. No, you don't put
Speaker 2: the Mars bar in the fridge.
Speaker 3: No, no, just do what The kids never put the
Speaker 3: Mars bar in the fridge.
Speaker 2: Why would the adults do that? Just think about that?
Speaker 2: One three one eight seven three dairy milk. I can
Speaker 2: go with it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll survive that, but not the Mars bar and
Speaker 3: not the caramel, the chewy, not the not the soft
Speaker 3: scented caramel chocolate.
Speaker 2: No way. It is thirteen to three. Okay.
Speaker 3: I should have raised this at the start because we've
Speaker 3: had a meltdown there. I say it about chocolate, whether
Speaker 3: you put in the fridge, the freezer, the cupboard, or
Speaker 3: somewhere else wherever that might be.
Speaker 2: Let's get some calls before track of the day. Ash,
Speaker 2: good afternoon.
Speaker 13: Yes, okay, Michael, what's.
Speaker 2: Your chocolate recipe? As it were, Ash, what do you do?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Well, I was having a new take on or a
Speaker 13: different take on chocolate bar in the fridge. I love
Speaker 13: the Snickers in the freezer and it really snaps and
Speaker 13: crunches when you first eat it.
Speaker 2: You said snickers, not knickers. I hope they're Ash.
Speaker 16: No, just stickers, stickers.
Speaker 13: I wouldn't judge it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Snickers in the freezer. Well, you you have your
Speaker 3: lines break up. You have very strong teeth. If you
Speaker 3: have frozen as snickers with the caramel, the nuts and
Speaker 3: the lot, you're like forget Jaws the shark.
Speaker 2: Your jaws out of Joe's bond. That's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Well down to you. Your dentist deserves. I don't know,
Speaker 3: some sort of accolade. That's extraordinary work. Thank you, Ash, Peter.
Speaker 23: Good afternoon, young Michael.
Speaker 2: I'm all right yourself. Not too ran a chocolate.
Speaker 23: Have my view on chocolates, and I think they're much
Speaker 23: nicer in the fridge.
Speaker 2: All of them.
Speaker 23: Well, yeah, all of them except the table iron. You
Speaker 23: have to be really careful table because that gets a
Speaker 23: bit too hard. That can that can knock your teeth
Speaker 23: at that one. So you've got to let that normalize
Speaker 23: a bit.
Speaker 3: The toblon if you're not, if you're not just snapping
Speaker 3: the individual triangles. Often because the gaps between the little
Speaker 3: mountain peaks, it's hard to get your thumbs in right,
Speaker 3: so you tend to bite them off. If that's really hard,
Speaker 3: you'd be putting a dent in your gums, wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: You're up a palette.
Speaker 23: Yeah, you've got to be very careful. You got to
Speaker 23: let that normalize a bit. But it does taste very nice.
Speaker 3: Chill the tobler owners very nice chocolate. Indeed, thank you, Peter,
Speaker 3: appreciate your appreciate your tip. Daniel likes freckles when they're cold.
Speaker 3: All right, Thank you, Daniel.
Speaker 2: This person says, my husband puts bounty in the freezer.
Speaker 2: Surely that's worse than any fridge chocolate. Probably.
Speaker 3: Thank you for all the nice messages coming through as well.
Speaker 3: Chris says, regarding chocolate and the fridge. I've got all
Speaker 3: of mine in the fridge. I find I eat more
Speaker 3: if it's chilled. Okay, Each to their own. One three
Speaker 3: eight seven three now one afternoons Crack of the day.
Speaker 3: By the way, Jan says linked dark chocolate's now twelve dollars.
Speaker 3: It will lease forget the fridge. I might need to
Speaker 3: go into the safe with the gold. It's getting expensive,
Speaker 3: isn't it. That's the cocoa prices we're speaking about that.
Speaker 3: During the Easter show, they're going up, up, up and
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Speaker 3: The only plays from Mars bars in the freezer Crispian delicious,
Speaker 3: My goodness, Okay, thank you. Jeff says, do yourself a favor.
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