WEBVTT - The police interview 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.760 In this episode, The Court Watchers Aaron Patterson's police interview. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.000 When asked why she hosted her ex partner's family for lunch, 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.000 the accused killer replies, I love them, and that she 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.680 thinks Simon hated the relationship they all share. Asked if 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.119 she owns a food dehydrator, she replies no. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.680 Victoria's mushroom Mystery, the mushroom lunch that claimed three lives. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.480 An Australian family's meal is now the center of a 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.960 homicide investigation. The bizarre tragedy now grabbing global headlines. Aaron 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.720 Patterson's alleged victims died after eating a family lunch she'd 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.040 serve them at her home. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.839 I cannot think of another investigation that has generated this 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.720 level of media and public interest. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.240 Four of the guests of that lunch were much loved 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:48.520 members of this church. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.560 Only one will ever return. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:55.920 People are feeling very heavy with having lost such wonderful people. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:00.760 Today, Aaron Pattison remained here inside her home continue to 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:05.880 plead her innocence in a court room in Country Victoria, 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.480 Aaron Patterson is on trial accused of using death cap 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:10.600 mushrooms to kill. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.800 She's pleaded not guilty to murdering three of her former in. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.240 Laws and attempting to kill a fourth, the town's church pastor. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.399 It's up to the jurors to decide what happened when 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.520 Patterson's loved ones sat down to eat. So the jury 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.679 has been told that the last witness has taken the stand, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.080 and this is a homicide detective. We'll get to his 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.319 evidence a little later in the episode because this is 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.959 where the jury has been shown for the first time 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.280 a recording of a police interview with Aaron Patterson. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.839 Yeah, that's right. There was an almost twenty one minute 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.440 long section of her police interview that was played to 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.320 the jury today. They were told that it appeared to 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.440 skip at times, some of it was taken out, but 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.160 not to turn their minds to that and instead focus 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.600 on the twenty one or minutes of interview that was played. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.360 But we had an number of witnesses that started off 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.400 the evidence today before we got to this detective, Detective 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:00.360 Steven epping Stall. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.920 Yeah, so Sally Anne Atkinson, who people might remember from 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.360 our last episode, she was still continuing her evidence on 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.160 the day that we're talking about, and that meant that 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.639 she was undergoing cross examination with the defense now she 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.760 is an official with the Victorian Health Department. She works 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.320 in the public health side of things, and she's told 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.480 the jury that her role was sort of trying to 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.960 investigate where particularly the mushrooms from the lunch may have 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.359 come from in case there needed to be some sort 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.120 of public health response to that. Now today, when she 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.440 was questioned by a Colin Mandy sc Aaron Patterson's barrister, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.400 at times, it was quite firey. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:37.720 In the courtroom. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.640 She and mister Mandy were told by Justice Biale at 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.720 one point stop speaking over each other, yeah, and for 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.800 her just to answer the question. She was being asked 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.959 that the prosecution would re clarify anything in re examination 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.919 if they needed to, and also for mister Mandy to 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.120 stop speaking over the top of her. So it was 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.960 quite back and forth, and she was really staunched, wasn't 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.720 she on particular elements of her evidence When she. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.160 Was Mandy challenged her quite a number of times on 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.360 her memory and recollection and her notes in particular that 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.920 she took following conversations that she had with Aaron Patterson 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:15.000 in that early August time period, and she was asked repeatedly, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.320 you know, could you have heard this instead of this, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.520 or that instead of that, and she was like, no, no, no, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.280 this is the evidence I've given. This is my memory. Yes, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.240 I have my notes here and they may not have 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.839 been as extensive as what I'm sitting here telling you 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.840 today and telling the jury today, but she was really 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:35.560 adamant that her memory was her memory, and she didn't budge, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.560 she didn't accept any of Colin Colin Mandy's suggestions really 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.839 of maybe something else could have happened, or maybe Aaron 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.600 Patterson said a different suburb at a different time, or 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.000 explained you know, did she actually say to you on 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.920 the phone to the witness that she got the mushrooms 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.880 on a Friday and the witnesses seat of explaining all, well, noh, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:57.960 my memory, she said she got you know, majority of 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.520 the three mines, so that they were really looking at 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.640 these finer details of her statement and comparing that to 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.600 what she was saying on the witness stand and. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.680 As you said, to her notes and part of what 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.680 was mentioned. There was this doctor Connor McDermott who'd initially 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.480 made contact with her. She was really questioned on whether 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.800 at any point he had said the suburb glen Waverley 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.440 and she said no, definitely not Glen Waverley. She remembered 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.800 it as Mount Waverley. And then also on the fact 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.159 that she said initially in her evidence that what he'd 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.599 relayed to her was that maybe the dried mushrooms were frozen, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.279 she said yes that. When Colin Mandy challenged her, saying, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.919 maybe he never said that, would you accept that, she 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.440 said no, he did say they're initially frozen. But the 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.440 more information came, and those other finer points that you've 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.560 mentioned there included when she was being asked about whether 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.520 Aaron Patterson had potentially used the mushrooms previously in a 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.200 past edition, she went back and forth a number of times, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.279 which people will have heard in the last episode that 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.839 she felt that it was unclear the first time she 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.960 spoke to Aaron Patterson if they'd been used or not. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.479 And she really was questioned by Colin Mandy on the 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.719 fact in her notes she'd said that they'd been these 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.919 mushrooms have been put away in a tupperware container. That 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.560 surely that meant they hadn't been used, and she said no, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.440 My understanding was that I still wasn't quite sure. That's 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:09.840 why I wanted to clarify that. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.360 Yeah, and the witness said Penny. Ultimately their investigation, which 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.440 went from about the first of the fourth of August 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:20.599 twenty twenty three ended the formally ended as they tended 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.800 a report about the eleventh of August twenty twenty three, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.919 and she explained on page six of this report that 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.800 ultimately they found although the initial information suggested that there 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.760 could be this mushroom poisoning and that may have been 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.800 purchased from some Asian grocery store, their investigation established it 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.560 was highly unlikely commercial mushroom supply chains had been contaminated. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.640 And she also said because of that there. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.479 Was a very low risk, deemed a very low risk 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.600 to public safety, and that it was confined to this 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:50.640 lunch group. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.880 And she was asked as well about the when she 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.560 was told by Aaron Patterson in her evidence that there 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.880 may have been at glen Waverley as one of the suburbs, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.800 whether she passed it on to one of the council 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.159 officers who was investigating, and her evidence was yes that 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.360 she had passed that on, she potentially hadn't then re 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.400 followed it up, which is what Colin Mandy was asking her, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.480 But she was adamant she'd pass that on and again 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.120 that those were the findings of that report. That this 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.520 investigation then from the eleventh of August was all finished 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.240 with nothing else added. So the next witness to enter 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.359 the courtroom was from the homicide squad. His name is 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.160 Detective Sergeant Luke Farrell. Now he was wearing a navy 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.320 blue suit a blue tie, and he entered the courtroom 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.839 and began his evidence by standing answering most of his 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.279 questions rather than sitting down. He had his hands clasped 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.480 in front of him. And what he was taken through 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.040 was a search warrant that was conducted on the fifth 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.039 of August at Aaron Patterson's home. And confirming the fact 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.120 that he was a part of executing this search warrant. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.240 Yeah, he said that he performed his investigative duties at 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.719 that time in early August alongside a team of others, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.159 including the detective epping Stoo, who we know is the 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.520 police informant who essentially is in charge of making sure 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.840 the investigation is completed or followed through with. On August five, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.840 twenty twenty three, Detective Sergeant Luke Farrell explained that he 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.440 attended Aaron Patterson's home in ly and Gatha to execute 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.240 a search warrant that police had obtained, and in that 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.280 search warrant was items of interest for police to look 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:19.040 for food waste, including mushrooms, food packaging, mobile phones, and 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.240 electronic devices. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.520 And he noted in his evidence that Aaron Patterson's two 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:27.560 children were home at the time that this warrant was executed, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.640 and that he was sort of asked as part of 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.880 the questioning whether that was a sensitivity that police were 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.680 aware was of, and he said it certainly was, so 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.880 there was a certain way they were going about this, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.080 and he was taken through that when they arrived at 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:39.880 the home. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.720 About eleven forty am Penny that. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.720 There had been a conversation and he had to check 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.680 his notes and sort of a transcript on this, but 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.440 he confirms that, yes, there was a conversation where he 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.280 spoke to Aaron Patterson and confirmed to her that two 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.040 of the lunch guests had actually passed away, those being 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.960 Heather Wilkinson and Gail Patterson. And his words on the 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.640 stand that her reaction to that was that she seemed 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.400 surprised and that she said who died and that's when 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.880 sort of more of this information was given on who 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.480 these two people were and exactly what time this had happened, 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.320 and what police knew at that point, because we know 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.040 three lunch guests had died, but at this particular point 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:17.640 they say they. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.120 Were only aware of two. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.480 So now, as his evidence continued, there was a number 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.200 of still images shown up on the big screens in 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.200 the courtroom, and it was explained that these were taken 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.560 from a video that was taken by an investigator who 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.080 was filming as they conducted this search Wererant and that 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.960 showed a number of items at Aaron Patterson's home, including 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.080 the kitchen cupboards and things that were in the dishwasher 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.120 and those kitchen cupboards. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.960 Yeah, so while Luke Farrell was assigned, he said as 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.079 the team leader of the search, he had other officers 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.160 with him, one who's in charge of photographing the items 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.720 and filming the items, and another one who was in 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.520 charge of female officer seeing a Constable Crawford who was 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.520 recording them all in an exhibition log. And then he 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.559 took the jury through the time of that search and 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.200 the end. He said that search went for over about 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.560 four hours, but started with and the pictures that were 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.880 shown started with some kitchen drawers. There were white kitchen 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.880 drawers and they had black handles, penny, and inside it, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.800 he said, on the bottom left hand draw there was 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.360 a Sunbeam manual there. He said, it was on top 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.320 of two piles of documents that the rear of the files, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.680 and that was one of the first photographs will be shown. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.080 And then as it sort of moved through these kitchen 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.800 draws and this dishwasher that we mentioned as well, we 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.120 could see a number of plates in the court and 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.320 he was asked about these different plates. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.040 In one of the drawers there was what appeared to 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:35.760 be a stack. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.600 Of darker colored plates at the back, and then a 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.440 brighter white with bright colored plainbow stripes, yeah, at the front. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.160 And then in the dishwasher there also appeared to be 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.000 more of these darker colored plates as well as a 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.320 white plate, and then on the opposite side to that 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.800 a white or light colored plate with some sort of 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.319 drawing or pattern on that. And he was asked a 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.840 number of questions about sort of can you see this 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.720 and what color is it? And he did note in 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.360 his evidence sometimes that because of the way things were stacked, well, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.440 I can't confirm exactly what color that is or what 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.160 the other side of that color is. But he went 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.800 through all of these different sort of plate objects, but 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.200 then also moving on to these electronic objects. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.040 The jury was shown a number of. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.280 Photos of a computer which they were told was a 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:16.839 cool Master computer. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.280 A black, quite large box. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.920 People may not always remember if you think of a computer, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.839 you might think of a laptop, but an actual box 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.559 that was shown to the jury, as well as a 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.040 couple of other electronic devices. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.559 So they were in the Sun's bedroom inside a wardrobe 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.160 and the doors had been opened, and the photographs showed 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.640 one of them being in that wardrobe and a couple 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.320 of them where they were taken out in photographs separately. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.480 And it wasn't the only room that was searched as 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.360 part of the investigation, Penny. There was also a search 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.920 further of the kitchen. We know that they went into 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.920 the butler's pantry. There was some kitchen scales in there 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.199 that were photographed, and then on the kitchen bench, the 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.120 detective was explaining that he found a cookbook and he 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.800 said it was in this particular position when he found it. 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.360 Now that position was between a microwave and the stove. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.600 The pages. The book was closed, and he said he 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.160 found it. There was a piece of tissue almost used 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.560 as a bookmark, but it was otherwise in that closed position. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.280 And it was then picture number nine the jury was 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:19.040 shown where he located what he explained to the jury 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.800 was a recipe of relevance. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:21.280 Yeah. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.480 Now he said that wasn't a bookmark page as such, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.520 but there was this page of beef Wellington recipe, and 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.439 he said that page was spatted in cooking. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.240 Yeah, in this particular book. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.560 It was shown to the jury a number of photos 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.719 the front sort of and then throughout the. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.800 Recipe sort of process. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.959 The book itself is a recipe tin eats book by 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.760 Nagi Mahashi, and it is called Dinner. So they were 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.600 shown this dark covered cookbook that was sitting on that 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.760 kitchen bench. And then as it went through these number 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.400 of other images, was the recipe for beef Wellington, and 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.280 you could see a large photo of what appeared to 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.800 be a cooks beef Wellington sort of cut in half 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.000 so that you could see that quite a. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.400 Medium rare meat. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.240 There as well as then some photographic steps and some 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.120 writing on different pages, and a photo as well of 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.240 the top of this recipe of the beef Wellington sitting 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.200 in a tin baked pastry almost plattered on top. So 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:12.880 there were quite a few steps that were shown to 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.840 the jury, and we will explain a little bit more 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.520 in some of the later evidence, some of what the 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.600 other detective mentioned when it came to that particular book. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.760 But there was quite a bit of conversation as well, Penny. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 I know you mentioned before about the plates, but that 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.640 was something that there was a bit of back and 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.880 forth conversation about looking at these plates from both the 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.760 prosecution and the defense when they were asking Luke Fowl 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.920 about these photographs, and you mentioned earlier there was some 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.520 darker colored plates on the bottom, and he later confirmed 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.679 in his evidence that it was like a reddish color. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.679 The top was a reddish color and the bottom of 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.840 the plate was darker, and they were stacked vertically, some 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.520 larger and some smaller. Inside that bottom shelf of the dishwasher, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.680 on the outside of those reddish colored plates was a 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.040 couple of white plates, and then above the dishwasher on 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.320 the kitchen bench was another couple of piles of plates 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.600 as well that appeared to still have food on them 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:04.720 and hadn't been washed. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:05.280 Just yet. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.319 And then also the witness was explaining that they found 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.840 this fruit platter inside the fridge and also there was 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.280 a jug of gravy. These were some of the exhibits 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.840 that they were logging and taking photographs of as they 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:17.800 walked through the house. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.240 Yeah, and there was also a bit of questioning around 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.319 the handing over of a mobile phone. So we've heard 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.440 about all of these different items that were cataloged. There 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.520 was another mobile phone taken from a room and a 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.079 few other things, a tablet, and it was mentioned whether 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.920 these different things were found in the children's rooms, and 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.560 then also in a bedroom that was called bedroom too, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.839 that they believed to be Aaron Patterson's bedroom. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.440 But this phone was a different one. Penny Yes, was 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.240 right at the end of the search. Warrant Luke Farrell 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.559 explained it was about three point thirty pm. We were 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.920 shown actual footage of this conversation. It was video recorded 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.920 and we have Aaron Patterson sitting on the left hand 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.880 side of a kitchen table in the dining room area 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.480 and on the right hand side was the detective and 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.959 somebody was filming in the in front of them. We 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.280 could see the kitchen towards the back of Aaron Patterson. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.839 But there was a conversation that began that was asking 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.560 that Luke Farrell was asking Aaron Patterson, did you have 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.680 a mobile phone? Could she handed over? And we saw 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.720 that in front of her on the kitchen table, Penny, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.920 it was a mobile phone in an orange case. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:24.320 Yeah. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.480 And as this video was being played to the court, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.840 and it was said through some of Luke Farrell's evidence 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.480 as well, that he asked Aaron Patterson, can you hand 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.600 the phone over? And she sort of appeared to say yes, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.640 and she physically handed that to him, and then he said, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.560 you know, does it have a pin code? And he 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.360 said in his evidence that she gave a four digit 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.840 and a six digit pin But what we could hear 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.880 when we were listening to that video was two different 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.840 pins that had slightly different numbers in them. And as 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.520 she handed it over, he sort of then went to 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.840 access it and they were both kind of touching it 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.680 and looking at it scrolling in a way at the 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.560 same time as she's leaning over the table, and then 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.640 she said, oh oh, and it was sort of this 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.360 like bumbling moment where he then clarified through his evidence 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.960 as well that he didn't actually need a pin code 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:09.800 to get into. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:10.880 This device locked. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.560 Yeah, despite being given those two different numbers that they 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.640 weren't needed at all. So that was the first time 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.960 that the jury's actually seen vision where you can hear 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.440 some audio of Aaron Patterson. So they were shown that 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.160 video today. But as we've mentioned previously, they are later 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.800 shown this police interview as well, so there'll be more 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.640 that they hear of Aaron Patterson's voice. But after he 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.320 was spoken to by the prosecution, this particular homicide detective 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.920 was cross examined by the defense, particularly on some of 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.000 those plates in the dishwasher. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:41.200 Yeah. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.520 During his cross examination by Colin Mandy sc the witness 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.360 was asked about did anybody film directly those plates, and 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.120 he said no, they did not. He was asked whether 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.720 or not they were an item of interest and he 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.320 said yes, he was aware. He was asked again, why 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.920 did police not take any photos of each of these plates, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.640 and he said no, no, we did not. He was 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.480 also asked whether or not any of the plates were seized, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.960 and he said the only plate he could recall being 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.920 seized was that one from the fridge, the one that 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.480 had the fruit on it. And then the questioning then 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.720 went into the color of the plates again, but that 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.200 was really the end of his evidence. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.280 And then the jury was told that they were hearing 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.400 from the last prosecution witness, being the informant, Detective epping Stall, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.440 and we'll be back after a short break with his evidence, 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.680 including what the jury was played from this police interview. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.520 So Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall took his place 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.120 on the witness stand. Now he's also wearing a susan. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.840 The jury has seen him sitting in the courtroom throughout 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.600 parts of this trial, often in the front row with 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.720 other police. But he took to the witness stand and 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.000 again he also stood like his colleague as he delivered 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:51.560 his evidence. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.720 And he was. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.720 Initially sort of asked a little bit just about who 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.080 he is and his involvement in the investigation. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.480 And what is an informant, Yeah, and that he is. 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.320 Attached to the homicide squad. And he answered his questions 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.320 in a very particular way. So to set the scene, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.040 we'll start by giving you a little bit of the 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.480 evidence as the court heard it. Now this is voiced 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.000 by actors, but this is Detective Eppingstall and Jane Warren 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:13.760 from the prosecution. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.480 Now, the informant is a lead investigator, a signed to 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.320 a particular investigation, Is that right? 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:20.480 That is correct? 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:26.080 Yes, responsible for directing the investigation, yes, ma'am, and responsible 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.120 for compiling all evidence and producing the brief of evidence 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:30.200 in relation to that matter. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:31.119 Yes, ma'am. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:31.600 Okay. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.280 Now I want to ask you firstly about the commencement 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.680 of your involvement in this matter. On one August twenty 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.040 twenty three, were you rostered to work in your role 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.080 at the homicide squad? 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:44.280 Yes, I was, ma'am. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:45.600 Yes, okay. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.439 And on that day did the homicide squad receive notification 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.760 of a reported mass food poisoning event that had occurred 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.600 at Gibson Street, land Gatha. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:56.120 Yes, ma'am. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.520 Now, at this point the judge intervened Justice Spiel, as 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.840 we have heard him throughout the trial. He piped up 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.159 with with something and he basically said to this particular witness, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.600 you don't have to say mam every time. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.560 Yeah, he did, and there was a lot of laughter 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.399 in the court room at that time. The informant smiled. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:15.399 We know, we've got a packed courtroom with members of 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.000 the public. Everyone was smiling. Even the jury were having 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.040