1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: In this episode, The Court Watchers Aaron Patterson's police interview. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: When asked why she hosted her ex partner's family for lunch, 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: the accused killer replies, I love them, and that she 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: thinks Simon hated the relationship they all share. Asked if 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: she owns a food dehydrator, she replies no. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: Victoria's mushroom Mystery, the mushroom lunch that claimed three lives. 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: An Australian family's meal is now the center of a 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: homicide investigation. The bizarre tragedy now grabbing global headlines. Aaron 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: Patterson's alleged victims died after eating a family lunch she'd 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: serve them at her home. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: I cannot think of another investigation that has generated this 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: level of media and public interest. 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Four of the guests of that lunch were much loved 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: members of this church. 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 4: Only one will ever return. 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: People are feeling very heavy with having lost such wonderful people. 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Today, Aaron Pattison remained here inside her home continue to 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: plead her innocence in a court room in Country Victoria, 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson is on trial accused of using death cap 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: mushrooms to kill. 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: She's pleaded not guilty to murdering three of her former in. 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Laws and attempting to kill a fourth, the town's church pastor. 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: It's up to the jurors to decide what happened when 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: Patterson's loved ones sat down to eat. So the jury 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: has been told that the last witness has taken the stand, 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: and this is a homicide detective. We'll get to his 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: evidence a little later in the episode because this is 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: where the jury has been shown for the first time 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: a recording of a police interview with Aaron Patterson. 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. There was an almost twenty one minute 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: long section of her police interview that was played to 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 3: the jury today. They were told that it appeared to 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: skip at times, some of it was taken out, but 34 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: not to turn their minds to that and instead focus 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: on the twenty one or minutes of interview that was played. 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: But we had an number of witnesses that started off 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: the evidence today before we got to this detective, Detective 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: Steven epping Stall. 39 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Sally Anne Atkinson, who people might remember from 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: our last episode, she was still continuing her evidence on 41 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: the day that we're talking about, and that meant that 42 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: she was undergoing cross examination with the defense now she 43 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: is an official with the Victorian Health Department. She works 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: in the public health side of things, and she's told 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: the jury that her role was sort of trying to 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: investigate where particularly the mushrooms from the lunch may have 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: come from in case there needed to be some sort 48 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: of public health response to that. Now today, when she 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: was questioned by a Colin Mandy sc Aaron Patterson's barrister, 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: at times, it was quite firey. 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 4: In the courtroom. 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: She and mister Mandy were told by Justice Biale at 53 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: one point stop speaking over each other, yeah, and for 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: her just to answer the question. She was being asked 55 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: that the prosecution would re clarify anything in re examination 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: if they needed to, and also for mister Mandy to 57 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: stop speaking over the top of her. So it was 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: quite back and forth, and she was really staunched, wasn't 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: she on particular elements of her evidence When she. 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: Was Mandy challenged her quite a number of times on 61 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: her memory and recollection and her notes in particular that 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 3: she took following conversations that she had with Aaron Patterson 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: in that early August time period, and she was asked repeatedly, 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: you know, could you have heard this instead of this, 65 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: or that instead of that, and she was like, no, no, no, 66 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: this is the evidence I've given. This is my memory. Yes, 67 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: I have my notes here and they may not have 68 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 3: been as extensive as what I'm sitting here telling you 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: today and telling the jury today, but she was really 70 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: adamant that her memory was her memory, and she didn't budge, 71 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: she didn't accept any of Colin Colin Mandy's suggestions really 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 3: of maybe something else could have happened, or maybe Aaron 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: Patterson said a different suburb at a different time, or 74 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: explained you know, did she actually say to you on 75 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: the phone to the witness that she got the mushrooms 76 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: on a Friday and the witnesses seat of explaining all, well, noh, 77 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: my memory, she said she got you know, majority of 78 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: the three mines, so that they were really looking at 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: these finer details of her statement and comparing that to 80 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: what she was saying on the witness stand and. 81 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: As you said, to her notes and part of what 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: was mentioned. There was this doctor Connor McDermott who'd initially 83 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: made contact with her. She was really questioned on whether 84 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: at any point he had said the suburb glen Waverley 85 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: and she said no, definitely not Glen Waverley. She remembered 86 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: it as Mount Waverley. And then also on the fact 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: that she said initially in her evidence that what he'd 88 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: relayed to her was that maybe the dried mushrooms were frozen, 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: she said yes that. When Colin Mandy challenged her, saying, 90 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: maybe he never said that, would you accept that, she 91 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: said no, he did say they're initially frozen. But the 92 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: more information came, and those other finer points that you've 93 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: mentioned there included when she was being asked about whether 94 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson had potentially used the mushrooms previously in a 95 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: past edition, she went back and forth a number of times, 96 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: which people will have heard in the last episode that 97 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: she felt that it was unclear the first time she 98 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: spoke to Aaron Patterson if they'd been used or not. 99 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: And she really was questioned by Colin Mandy on the 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: fact in her notes she'd said that they'd been these 101 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: mushrooms have been put away in a tupperware container. That 102 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: surely that meant they hadn't been used, and she said no, 103 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: My understanding was that I still wasn't quite sure. That's 104 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: why I wanted to clarify that. 105 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the witness said Penny. Ultimately their investigation, which 106 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: went from about the first of the fourth of August 107 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three ended the formally ended as they tended 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: a report about the eleventh of August twenty twenty three, 109 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: and she explained on page six of this report that 110 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: ultimately they found although the initial information suggested that there 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: could be this mushroom poisoning and that may have been 112 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: purchased from some Asian grocery store, their investigation established it 113 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: was highly unlikely commercial mushroom supply chains had been contaminated. 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: And she also said because of that there. 115 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: Was a very low risk, deemed a very low risk 116 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: to public safety, and that it was confined to this 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: lunch group. 118 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: And she was asked as well about the when she 119 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: was told by Aaron Patterson in her evidence that there 120 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: may have been at glen Waverley as one of the suburbs, 121 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: whether she passed it on to one of the council 122 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: officers who was investigating, and her evidence was yes that 123 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: she had passed that on, she potentially hadn't then re 124 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: followed it up, which is what Colin Mandy was asking her, 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: But she was adamant she'd pass that on and again 126 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: that those were the findings of that report. That this 127 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: investigation then from the eleventh of August was all finished 128 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: with nothing else added. So the next witness to enter 129 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: the courtroom was from the homicide squad. His name is 130 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: Detective Sergeant Luke Farrell. Now he was wearing a navy 131 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: blue suit a blue tie, and he entered the courtroom 132 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: and began his evidence by standing answering most of his 133 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: questions rather than sitting down. He had his hands clasped 134 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: in front of him. And what he was taken through 135 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: was a search warrant that was conducted on the fifth 136 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: of August at Aaron Patterson's home. And confirming the fact 137 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: that he was a part of executing this search warrant. 138 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he said that he performed his investigative duties at 139 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: that time in early August alongside a team of others, 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: including the detective epping Stoo, who we know is the 141 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: police informant who essentially is in charge of making sure 142 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: the investigation is completed or followed through with. On August five, 143 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, Detective Sergeant Luke Farrell explained that he 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: attended Aaron Patterson's home in ly and Gatha to execute 145 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: a search warrant that police had obtained, and in that 146 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: search warrant was items of interest for police to look 147 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: for food waste, including mushrooms, food packaging, mobile phones, and 148 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: electronic devices. 149 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: And he noted in his evidence that Aaron Patterson's two 150 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: children were home at the time that this warrant was executed, 151 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: and that he was sort of asked as part of 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: the questioning whether that was a sensitivity that police were 153 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: aware was of, and he said it certainly was, so 154 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: there was a certain way they were going about this, 155 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: and he was taken through that when they arrived at 156 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: the home. 157 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: About eleven forty am Penny that. 158 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: There had been a conversation and he had to check 159 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: his notes and sort of a transcript on this, but 160 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: he confirms that, yes, there was a conversation where he 161 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: spoke to Aaron Patterson and confirmed to her that two 162 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: of the lunch guests had actually passed away, those being 163 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: Heather Wilkinson and Gail Patterson. And his words on the 164 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: stand that her reaction to that was that she seemed 165 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: surprised and that she said who died and that's when 166 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: sort of more of this information was given on who 167 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: these two people were and exactly what time this had happened, 168 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: and what police knew at that point, because we know 169 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: three lunch guests had died, but at this particular point 170 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: they say they. 171 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: Were only aware of two. 172 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: So now, as his evidence continued, there was a number 173 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: of still images shown up on the big screens in 174 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: the courtroom, and it was explained that these were taken 175 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: from a video that was taken by an investigator who 176 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: was filming as they conducted this search Wererant and that 177 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: showed a number of items at Aaron Patterson's home, including 178 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: the kitchen cupboards and things that were in the dishwasher 179 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: and those kitchen cupboards. 180 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so while Luke Farrell was assigned, he said as 181 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: the team leader of the search, he had other officers 182 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: with him, one who's in charge of photographing the items 183 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: and filming the items, and another one who was in 184 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: charge of female officer seeing a Constable Crawford who was 185 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: recording them all in an exhibition log. And then he 186 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: took the jury through the time of that search and 187 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: the end. He said that search went for over about 188 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: four hours, but started with and the pictures that were 189 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: shown started with some kitchen drawers. There were white kitchen 190 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: drawers and they had black handles, penny, and inside it, 191 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: he said, on the bottom left hand draw there was 192 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: a Sunbeam manual there. He said, it was on top 193 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: of two piles of documents that the rear of the files, 194 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: and that was one of the first photographs will be shown. 195 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: And then as it sort of moved through these kitchen 196 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: draws and this dishwasher that we mentioned as well, we 197 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: could see a number of plates in the court and 198 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: he was asked about these different plates. 199 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 4: In one of the drawers there was what appeared to 200 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 4: be a stack. 201 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: Of darker colored plates at the back, and then a 202 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: brighter white with bright colored plainbow stripes, yeah, at the front. 203 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: And then in the dishwasher there also appeared to be 204 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: more of these darker colored plates as well as a 205 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: white plate, and then on the opposite side to that 206 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: a white or light colored plate with some sort of 207 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: drawing or pattern on that. And he was asked a 208 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: number of questions about sort of can you see this 209 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: and what color is it? And he did note in 210 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: his evidence sometimes that because of the way things were stacked, well, 211 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: I can't confirm exactly what color that is or what 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: the other side of that color is. But he went 213 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: through all of these different sort of plate objects, but 214 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: then also moving on to these electronic objects. 215 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 4: The jury was shown a number of. 216 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: Photos of a computer which they were told was a 217 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: cool Master computer. 218 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: A black, quite large box. 219 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: People may not always remember if you think of a computer, 220 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: you might think of a laptop, but an actual box 221 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: that was shown to the jury, as well as a 222 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: couple of other electronic devices. 223 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 3: So they were in the Sun's bedroom inside a wardrobe 224 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: and the doors had been opened, and the photographs showed 225 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: one of them being in that wardrobe and a couple 226 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: of them where they were taken out in photographs separately. 227 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: And it wasn't the only room that was searched as 228 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: part of the investigation, Penny. There was also a search 229 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: further of the kitchen. We know that they went into 230 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: the butler's pantry. There was some kitchen scales in there 231 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: that were photographed, and then on the kitchen bench, the 232 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: detective was explaining that he found a cookbook and he 233 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: said it was in this particular position when he found it. 234 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: Now that position was between a microwave and the stove. 235 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: The pages. The book was closed, and he said he 236 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: found it. There was a piece of tissue almost used 237 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 3: as a bookmark, but it was otherwise in that closed position. 238 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: And it was then picture number nine the jury was 239 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: shown where he located what he explained to the jury 240 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: was a recipe of relevance. 241 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 242 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: Now he said that wasn't a bookmark page as such, 243 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: but there was this page of beef Wellington recipe, and 244 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 3: he said that page was spatted in cooking. 245 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, in this particular book. 246 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: It was shown to the jury a number of photos 247 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: the front sort of and then throughout the. 248 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: Recipe sort of process. 249 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: The book itself is a recipe tin eats book by 250 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: Nagi Mahashi, and it is called Dinner. So they were 251 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: shown this dark covered cookbook that was sitting on that 252 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: kitchen bench. And then as it went through these number 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: of other images, was the recipe for beef Wellington, and 254 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: you could see a large photo of what appeared to 255 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: be a cooks beef Wellington sort of cut in half 256 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: so that you could see that quite a. 257 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: Medium rare meat. 258 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: There as well as then some photographic steps and some 259 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: writing on different pages, and a photo as well of 260 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: the top of this recipe of the beef Wellington sitting 261 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: in a tin baked pastry almost plattered on top. So 262 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: there were quite a few steps that were shown to 263 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: the jury, and we will explain a little bit more 264 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: in some of the later evidence, some of what the 265 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: other detective mentioned when it came to that particular book. 266 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: But there was quite a bit of conversation as well, Penny. 267 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: I know you mentioned before about the plates, but that 268 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: was something that there was a bit of back and 269 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: forth conversation about looking at these plates from both the 270 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: prosecution and the defense when they were asking Luke Fowl 271 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: about these photographs, and you mentioned earlier there was some 272 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: darker colored plates on the bottom, and he later confirmed 273 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: in his evidence that it was like a reddish color. 274 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 3: The top was a reddish color and the bottom of 275 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: the plate was darker, and they were stacked vertically, some 276 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: larger and some smaller. Inside that bottom shelf of the dishwasher, 277 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: on the outside of those reddish colored plates was a 278 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: couple of white plates, and then above the dishwasher on 279 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: the kitchen bench was another couple of piles of plates 280 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: as well that appeared to still have food on them 281 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: and hadn't been washed. 282 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 4: Just yet. 283 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: And then also the witness was explaining that they found 284 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: this fruit platter inside the fridge and also there was 285 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: a jug of gravy. These were some of the exhibits 286 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: that they were logging and taking photographs of as they 287 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: walked through the house. 288 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was also a bit of questioning around 289 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: the handing over of a mobile phone. So we've heard 290 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: about all of these different items that were cataloged. There 291 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: was another mobile phone taken from a room and a 292 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: few other things, a tablet, and it was mentioned whether 293 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: these different things were found in the children's rooms, and 294 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: then also in a bedroom that was called bedroom too, 295 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: that they believed to be Aaron Patterson's bedroom. 296 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: But this phone was a different one. Penny Yes, was 297 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: right at the end of the search. Warrant Luke Farrell 298 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 3: explained it was about three point thirty pm. We were 299 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: shown actual footage of this conversation. It was video recorded 300 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: and we have Aaron Patterson sitting on the left hand 301 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: side of a kitchen table in the dining room area 302 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: and on the right hand side was the detective and 303 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 3: somebody was filming in the in front of them. We 304 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: could see the kitchen towards the back of Aaron Patterson. 305 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 3: But there was a conversation that began that was asking 306 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: that Luke Farrell was asking Aaron Patterson, did you have 307 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: a mobile phone? Could she handed over? And we saw 308 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: that in front of her on the kitchen table, Penny, 309 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: it was a mobile phone in an orange case. 310 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 311 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: And as this video was being played to the court, 312 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: and it was said through some of Luke Farrell's evidence 313 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: as well, that he asked Aaron Patterson, can you hand 314 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: the phone over? And she sort of appeared to say yes, 315 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: and she physically handed that to him, and then he said, 316 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, does it have a pin code? And he 317 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: said in his evidence that she gave a four digit 318 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: and a six digit pin But what we could hear 319 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: when we were listening to that video was two different 320 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: pins that had slightly different numbers in them. And as 321 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: she handed it over, he sort of then went to 322 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: access it and they were both kind of touching it 323 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: and looking at it scrolling in a way at the 324 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: same time as she's leaning over the table, and then 325 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: she said, oh oh, and it was sort of this 326 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: like bumbling moment where he then clarified through his evidence 327 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: as well that he didn't actually need a pin code 328 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: to get into. 329 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: This device locked. 330 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, despite being given those two different numbers that they 331 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: weren't needed at all. So that was the first time 332 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: that the jury's actually seen vision where you can hear 333 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: some audio of Aaron Patterson. So they were shown that 334 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: video today. But as we've mentioned previously, they are later 335 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: shown this police interview as well, so there'll be more 336 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: that they hear of Aaron Patterson's voice. But after he 337 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: was spoken to by the prosecution, this particular homicide detective 338 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: was cross examined by the defense, particularly on some of 339 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: those plates in the dishwasher. 340 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 341 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: During his cross examination by Colin Mandy sc the witness 342 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: was asked about did anybody film directly those plates, and 343 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: he said no, they did not. He was asked whether 344 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: or not they were an item of interest and he 345 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: said yes, he was aware. He was asked again, why 346 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: did police not take any photos of each of these plates, 347 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: and he said no, no, we did not. He was 348 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: also asked whether or not any of the plates were seized, 349 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: and he said the only plate he could recall being 350 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: seized was that one from the fridge, the one that 351 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: had the fruit on it. And then the questioning then 352 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: went into the color of the plates again, but that 353 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: was really the end of his evidence. 354 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: And then the jury was told that they were hearing 355 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: from the last prosecution witness, being the informant, Detective epping Stall, 356 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: and we'll be back after a short break with his evidence, 357 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: including what the jury was played from this police interview. 358 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: So Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall took his place 359 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: on the witness stand. Now he's also wearing a susan. 360 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: The jury has seen him sitting in the courtroom throughout 361 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: parts of this trial, often in the front row with 362 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: other police. But he took to the witness stand and 363 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: again he also stood like his colleague as he delivered 364 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: his evidence. 365 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: And he was. 366 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Initially sort of asked a little bit just about who 367 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: he is and his involvement in the investigation. 368 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: And what is an informant, Yeah, and that he is. 369 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: Attached to the homicide squad. And he answered his questions 370 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: in a very particular way. So to set the scene, 371 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: we'll start by giving you a little bit of the 372 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: evidence as the court heard it. Now this is voiced 373 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: by actors, but this is Detective Eppingstall and Jane Warren 374 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: from the prosecution. 375 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 5: Now, the informant is a lead investigator, a signed to 376 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 5: a particular investigation, Is that right? 377 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 4: That is correct? 378 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 5: Yes, responsible for directing the investigation, yes, ma'am, and responsible 379 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 5: for compiling all evidence and producing the brief of evidence 380 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 5: in relation to that matter. 381 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. 382 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 6: Okay. 383 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 5: Now I want to ask you firstly about the commencement 384 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 5: of your involvement in this matter. On one August twenty 385 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: twenty three, were you rostered to work in your role 386 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 5: at the homicide squad? 387 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I was, ma'am. 388 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: Yes, okay. 389 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 5: And on that day did the homicide squad receive notification 390 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 5: of a reported mass food poisoning event that had occurred 391 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: at Gibson Street, land Gatha. 392 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. 393 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: Now, at this point the judge intervened Justice Spiel, as 394 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: we have heard him throughout the trial. He piped up 395 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: with with something and he basically said to this particular witness, 396 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to say mam every time. 397 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, and there was a lot of laughter 398 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 3: in the court room at that time. The informant smiled. 399 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: We know, we've got a packed courtroom with members of 400 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: the public. Everyone was smiling. Even the jury were having 401 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: a bit of a giggle at this time, and he. 402 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: Sort of then said, oh, yes, And when he was 403 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: asked the next question and the next sort of series 404 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: of questions, he very clearly said yes. But as you're 405 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: hear throughout this evidence, it is something that occasionally seems 406 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: seems to slip back in in his style of answering questions. 407 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Now he was taken through the fact that he was 408 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: also at this search warrant on the fifth of August 409 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: that was conducted at Aaron Patterson's house with Luke Farrell. 410 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: And when he was asked again about as Luke Farrell 411 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: was about Aaron Patterson being notified that two of the 412 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: lunch guests had died, he said, after that detective told 413 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: her that that he then actually sort of took her 414 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: aside and had a little bit more of a chat 415 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: with her about the fact that these two people had 416 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: passed away. 417 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 3: You're at that point, he explained, so taking us back 418 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: in the timeline a little bit of the first of 419 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 3: August twenty twenty three, homicide got a notification of this 420 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: mass food poisoning. It was the third of August, a 421 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: couple of days later that the homicide squad really took 422 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: charge of the investigation, and then Epingstear was explaining that 423 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: he had then by the fourth of August, received notification 424 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: that Heather Wilkinson had passed away, and he got his colleagues, 425 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: seeing a Constable Crawford, to start looking through bank records 426 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: and phone records and alike, and he said it was 427 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 3: at this point that a transaction of interest was identified, 428 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 3: and this was a bank transaction. He explained to the 429 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: jury ultimately where he says the accused went to the 430 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: Kunwara transfer station and they found a black dehydrator that 431 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: had been deposited there, and that they also found the 432 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 3: CCTV and a like. And then it was at six 433 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: forty seven pm on the fourth of August twenty twenty three, 434 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: he said he then received a notification that Gail Patterson 435 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: had died. And he explained to the jury that the 436 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: homicide squad don't always investigate debts or suspicious deaths. Often 437 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: they will come and help with complex cases to assist 438 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: the coroner these coronial investigations, So at this point it 439 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: sort of not unusual for them to get involved. But 440 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: it really was that fifth of August twenty twenty three 441 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: when he visited the home with this warrant and the 442 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: other officer's penny, as you just mentioned that their jobs 443 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: really began. Yeah. 444 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: So, as he explained through his evidence, initially they were 445 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: coronial investigators is the word he used. That local sea eyes, 446 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: which is local criminal investigation branches, can't always deal with 447 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: some cases that the coroner might want to look at, 448 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: so they were doing that. But we know that by 449 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: the time of this search warrant and a little bit 450 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: before that, the homicide squad had carriage of this investigation. 451 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 4: It was their case. 452 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: And then when this search warrant began to unfold, after 453 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: he had an initial conversation with Aaron Patterson, he was 454 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: taken through sort of different elements of the search and 455 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: he noted that this recipe tin EAT's book had been 456 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 1: found on the benches the jury had previously heard from 457 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: Luke Farrell's evidence, and he was asked about sort of 458 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: being directed to that page, and he said he and 459 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson were in a different room at that time, 460 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: to the kitchen, but that she had indicated that would 461 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: be a page around two hundred and fifty. Yeah, and 462 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: that sure enough when they looked, they found that this 463 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: was actually two hundred and fifty two was the page 464 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: the recipe was on. 465 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: He was also asked quite. 466 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: A bit about how the mobile phone situation worked and 467 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: how also Aaron Patterson was being sort of either supervised 468 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: or not during this search warrant, and he said that 469 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: pretty much all of the time during the search warrant 470 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: there was always someone escorting her, but that there was 471 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: a period for around twenty to thirty minutes where she 472 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: was in a room of the home and they were 473 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: letting her use her mobile phone, the same mobile phone 474 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: he says, that was later handed over in the video 475 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: that the Juri had just seen with Luke Farrell. 476 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he recalled that Aaron Patterson said that she needed 477 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 3: to talk and make arrangements for her daughter to attend ballet, 478 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: and right from the start he agreed that she had 479 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: this phone with her for about four hours of the 480 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: police search. That was the only time he really remembered 481 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 3: that she was left alone, but there was times when 482 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: another female colleague was taking her back and forth to 483 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 3: the bathroom. 484 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that when she was left alone for that 485 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: time in that room, that there was actually still a 486 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: police officer, he said, outside the door while she was 487 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: being allowed to sort of make those communications now. 488 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: Yes, so Jane Warren was reminding the jury and the witness, 489 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: of course, that Ian Wilkinson had said that their meals, 490 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: the four lunch guests were served on uniform large gray 491 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: dinner plates and then the accused had a smaller orange 492 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: e tan plate. 493 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: So let's hear a little bit more of the evidence. 494 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: This is the words of Detective Eppingstall Jane Warren, and 495 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: you'll also hear Colin Mandy at the end. 496 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: Now, I also want to ask you about we heard 497 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 5: evidence during the trials some time ago from Ian Wilkinson 498 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 5: that when they had the lunch on July, their meals, 499 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 5: that is his Heathers, dinond Gales were all served on 500 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 5: uniform large gray dinner plates. Yes, and he said that 501 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 5: the accused meal was served on a smaller orange e 502 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 5: tan colored plate. 503 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: Yes. 504 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 5: I've heard evidence this morning that there was a video 505 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 5: of the search warrant taken prior to the search being 506 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 5: conducted on five August. 507 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, you viewed that video, yes, I have yet. 508 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 5: And that video includes observations made throughout the accused kitchen, 509 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 5: is that right, yes, yeah, and that includes observations made 510 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 5: of each cupboard and each draw in the accused kitchen, 511 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: it does, yes, And inside the dishwasher, yes, ma'am. And 512 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 5: we've seen some images extracted from that video which include 513 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 5: inside the dishwasher and inside some draws. Is that right? 514 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: Yes? 515 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 4: Correct? 516 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 5: In the remainder of that video or videos, were there 517 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 5: any gray plates captured which matched the description of the 518 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 5: four gray plates that Ian Wilkinson described in his evidence. 519 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 2: No, not that I observed. 520 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 5: No, did police ever recover four gray plates from the 521 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 5: accused address? 522 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 6: I object to that question, your honor. 523 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: Now, after Colin Mandy made this objection, he sort of 524 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: started to speak, and Justice Bill cut him off in 525 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: a way and said, mister Mandy, maybe should the jury 526 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: leave the room for this. 527 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: So the jury did leave. 528 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: The room, and then they later returned and the evidence continued. 529 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 530 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: They then were speaking a little bit more about the 531 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: phone and what happened to the phone after Aaron Patterson 532 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: handed it over, and the detective explained that his memory 533 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: of it was he took it back to the homicide 534 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 3: squad office and secured it in in a lock up 535 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 3: area there that he was the only one that had 536 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: control over. And after he was explaining that piece of evidence, 537 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: the questioning then shifted to Aaron Patterson's police interview. 538 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the jury was told by Justice Bill that 539 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: this interview, the time stamps on it changed slightly, but 540 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: that that is not something that they need to take 541 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: into consideration, just to watch it as a piece of evidence. 542 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 4: And they were told this commenced at. 543 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: Four forty one pm on the fifth of August twenty 544 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: twenty three, so that's just in the afternoon following this 545 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: search warrants being conducted. Now, this interview, you began with 546 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: a Detective epping Stall in the room along with another 547 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: police officer who was referred to as a corroborator, taking 548 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: some notes. And in the footage you could see Aaron Patterson. 549 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: She was sort of the closest to the camera on 550 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: the right hand side. It was really quite close up 551 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: of the side of her face. 552 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 3: You could see her from the chest up Penny. 553 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was sitting with her hair down in 554 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: sort of a light colored jumper answering these answering these 555 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: questions and will be taking you through in the rest 556 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: of this episode excerpts of what was plagued to the 557 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: jury and this police interview and the voices that you'll 558 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: be hearing are this detective Detective epping Stall as well 559 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: as Aaron Patterson. So it began with the police officer 560 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: establishing the time that it was being recorded and did 561 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson understand different rights. 562 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 4: That she had. 563 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: She was also asked to state her full name, Penny. 564 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: That was one of the first questions that she was asked. 565 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: The jury was shown and she replied, Aaron Trudy Patterson. 566 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she gave her date of birth, she gave 567 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: her address. When she was asked, you know, have you 568 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to speak to a so listener, she 569 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: confirmed yes that she had, and she was told by 570 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: Detective epping Stall, now, the rights that you have in 571 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: this interview, which include not having to answer questions, they 572 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: remain with you for the entire time. You remain with us, 573 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: so that at any point she could sort of go 574 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: back to this list of rights that she'd been given 575 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: about consulting a solicitor and other things, and that that 576 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: was all part of her right in this particular interview 577 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: room at the time. But after these sort of particulars 578 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: were established, it turned to why the detectives wanted to 579 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: speak to her that day and we might play you 580 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: an excerpt. Now this is the words of Detective epping 581 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Stall and Aaron Patterson. 582 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 4: It's not their voices. 583 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: We want to discuss the deaths of Heather Wilkinson and 584 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: Gail Patterson with you. 585 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: Yep. 586 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: When we were at the house, we discussed you hadn't 587 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: really been kept in the loop and it came as 588 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: news to you that both Gail and Heather had passed away. 589 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: They all became so ill and ended up in the 590 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: intensive care unit at the Dandinong Hospital and then the 591 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: Austin Hospital. Following that, they had period of deterioration in 592 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: their conditions and they have become so ill that their 593 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: livers have failed. Don underwent a liver transplant last night. Oh, 594 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: and Heather and Gail have subsequently passed away. Ian, I 595 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: don't have a current prognosis update on where he's at. 596 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: We're trying to understand what made them so ill. Conversely, 597 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: we're trying to understand why you're not that ill. Do 598 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: you understand why we're interviewing you today? 599 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 6: Hm, I'm sure you understand. I've never been in a 600 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 6: situation like this before, and I've been very very helpful 601 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 6: with the health department during the week because I wanted 602 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 6: to be help that side of things as much as possible, 603 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 6: because I do want to know what happens. So I've 604 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 6: given them as much information as they've asked for and 605 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 6: offered up all the food and all the information about 606 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 6: where the food came from. 607 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: I fully understand that. I must say you were very 608 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: helpful at the house, helped us with the investigation, mainly 609 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: the fruit platter Heather gave you and the gravy you kept, 610 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: you said on advice from the Health Department, so thank you. 611 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: You also pointed out a recipe book on the counter, 612 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: page two hundred and fifty two, the recipe for beef Wellington, 613 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: and indicated that as the recipe. Now. 614 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: From there, the discussion turned to Asian and Indian foods 615 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: and we heard a little bit more from Aaron Patterson 616 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: about those. 617 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Eppingstall was explaining in this interview that Aaron Patterson 618 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 3: had been really helpful at the house pointing out this 619 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: recipe book and I like, but he said, we didn't 620 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 3: really see many items from an Asian or Indian grocers stores. 621 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: And she was also asked about her second house, which 622 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: she has in Mount Waverley, and we heard that police 623 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: had also had a search warrant for that property later 624 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: that same day, and her response was, No, I'd had 625 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: a big clear out of the pantry the last time 626 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: she'd been at that Mount Waverley home, and you wouldn't 627 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: you wouldn't really find much food that was like that there. 628 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 629 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: And she also when she was sort of asked about 630 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: those particular types of food, she said, have looked in 631 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: my fridge sort of. When they were talking initially about 632 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: this Lee and Gatha home, the conversation continued around this 633 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: Mount Waverley address again and whether she was actually considering 634 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: selling that property, and Detective epping Stall sort of prompted 635 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: her on that, and then she started to talk about 636 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: the fact that potentially she might have hoped it was 637 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: somewhere that her son could stay when he went to 638 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: university in a few years. 639 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 640 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: She confirmed that she'd studied at Monash University years earlier 641 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: and had hoped that one of her children might have 642 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: studied there. But she explained to the investigators that her 643 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: son wanted to be a pilot and there was a 644 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: possibility that they may sell that house and repurchase in 645 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: a different area. 646 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, she mentioned a sort of wanting to maybe purchase 647 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: at Philip Islands to be a bit closer to where 648 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: their activities were at the moment. And then the next 649 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: part of the interview sort of moved again to trying 650 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: to work out the investigators where the mushrooms might have 651 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: actually come from, as well as asking Aaron Patterson a 652 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: little bit about why she'd had these people over for lunch. Now, 653 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: this is what the jury heard from the police interview. 654 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: It's no one's real voice. 655 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 2: Obviously, we've got concerns of relation to the mushrooms and 656 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: where they've come from. Is that something you've done in 657 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 2: the past, foraging for mushrooms? No, never do you have 658 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: a dehydrate or anything like that. You've described to me 659 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: the relationship with your ex partner, Simon. Can you please 660 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: explain why you'd have his parents and uncle and auntie 661 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: over for lunch. 662 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 6: They've always been very good to me, and I want 663 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 6: to maintain those relationships despite of what's happening with Simon. 664 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 6: I love them a lot. They've always been really good 665 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 6: to me and they've always said to me they would 666 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 6: support me with love and emotional support even though Simon 667 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 6: and I have separated, and I really appreciated that because 668 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 6: my parents are both gone and my grandparents are all gone. 669 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 6: They're the only family that I've got. They're the only 670 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 6: grandparents that my children have, and I want them to 671 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 6: stay in my kids' lives. That's really important to me. 672 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 6: I think Simon hated that I love them. Thing he's 673 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 6: ever done to me will change the fact that they're good, 674 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 6: decent people that have never done anything wrong by me. 675 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: Ever, while we're watching this particular interview from what the 676 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: listeners have just heard, when asked about the second time 677 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: if she'd ever owned a dehydrator, Aaron Patterson, there was 678 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: a silence, so she sort of shook her head but 679 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: didn't verbally respond. And then in the bigger sort of 680 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: answer that everyone has just heard, where she's talking about 681 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: her relationship to the lunch guests and to Simon and 682 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: these were her family, she did seem to be. 683 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 4: Quite wavery in the voice at that point. 684 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: There was a lot of the audio that really couldn't 685 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: we really couldn't understand today. There was a lot of 686 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: inaudible parts where you could see Aaron Patterson nodding her 687 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 3: head or at times she would sip from a cup 688 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: that she had in front of her and she sort 689 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: of leaned forward. There was further nods of their head 690 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: and at some point her eyebrows would raise in response 691 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: to some of the questions. But yeah, there certain parts 692 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: that were quite difficult to hear. Responses we couldn't quite hear, 693 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: but there were there's a lot of yeses and ms 694 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: that we could hear, and that continued in this next 695 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: line of questioning. 696 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: So then Aaron Patterson was asked about going to Lee 697 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: and Gatha Hospital, leaving the conversations that she'd had with 698 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: doctor Chris Webster, and then the police came to say 699 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: to her that they had found a manual for a 700 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: sunbeam dehydrator in one of these draws that she was searching. 701 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: So we'll go back to a little bit more of 702 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: the interview here. 703 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: Do you own a dehydrator? 704 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 6: No, nop. I've got manuals of lots of stuff I've 705 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 6: collected over the years. 706 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: When did you own a dehydrator? 707 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 6: I don't own one. When I first got a Thermo mix, 708 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 6: I got really excited about making everything from scratch. I'd 709 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 6: get lots of everything from scratch ingredients and I did 710 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 6: a lot of that. 711 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: We'll bring you more from inside the court room in 712 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: our next episode. Thank you for listening to this episode 713 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: of Say Grace. 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