WEBVTT - My Surprising Postpartum Choice: I Ate My Placenta 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.200 A listener production. 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:10.799 Only do what we wanna know rules. Yeah. We're gonna 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:16.439 gonna stay ish. Where do you wanna go? Where do 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:17.400 you wanna go? 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.040 Hi. Welcome to Beineix. Yes, the podcast where we don't 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.440 wake up like this. No, but you are looking really, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.840 really good today, am I? Yeah. You need to trademark 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:34.080 this hairstyle. Yeah. My, um, non-surgical brow lift. Pull back. Yeah. Every. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.479 Every day since I said to you that this is 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.279 your best hairstyle yet. You've had this hairdo. I know, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.960 and I think people think I don't shower because I'm, like, 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.919 keep wearing this hairstyle. So I think everyone's getting really confused. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:46.559 I think I need to sort of change it up 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.559 a little bit. It's a good hack though, right? Dirty hair, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.920 snatched face and you look hot. It hides your extensions. Yes. Oh, actually, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.080 I'm struggling today. Oh, yeah. There's a little bit poking. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.760 Had 20 minutes to get into the studio. You're looking good, babe. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.980 You're looking good. Yes, sir. But we absolutely did not 0:01:02.020 --> 0:01:03.620 wake up like this, did we? No, we did not. 0:01:03.620 --> 0:01:06.460 We did not. But I want to talk about our 0:01:06.459 --> 0:01:09.140 birth stories. Yeah, because we've got a great guest on today. 0:01:09.180 --> 0:01:11.580 We have. And I actually don't know your birth stories. 0:01:11.620 --> 0:01:13.700 Do you not know? How do you not know my 0:01:13.700 --> 0:01:15.580 birth story? I don't know, I think because when we were. 0:01:15.620 --> 0:01:17.140 I know, I think we're just trauma. I've had too 0:01:17.140 --> 0:01:19.260 many babies. Too many. Yeah. I think every time I 0:01:19.260 --> 0:01:22.220 saw you, like I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant. I'm having a baby. 0:01:22.380 --> 0:01:24.979 And then again and then again and then again. Yes. Well, 0:01:24.980 --> 0:01:28.619 it's funny, I think, uh, with Oscar my first, who's 0:01:28.620 --> 0:01:35.419 now 13, I actually had that Hollywood movie experience where 0:01:35.660 --> 0:01:38.380 in the middle of the night, you stand up and 0:01:38.380 --> 0:01:40.980 your waters break and they gush all over the floor. 0:01:40.980 --> 0:01:43.660 It was that you had that I had that. Oh 0:01:43.700 --> 0:01:46.380 my God. Does anyone have that? No. No one. I 0:01:46.380 --> 0:01:48.900 feel like everyone's going in and getting their waters broken. Yeah, 0:01:48.900 --> 0:01:53.540 or they're overdue. So I was 39 weeks pregnant to 0:01:53.580 --> 0:01:58.180 the day. Wow. And Oscar was unplanned. He was, um. 0:01:58.700 --> 0:02:02.210 He was an okay stay, day baby had a had a, uh, 0:02:02.410 --> 0:02:05.890 at the Melbourne Cup carnival. There's a day called Oaks Day. 0:02:05.890 --> 0:02:07.690 So you go to the races. I had one too 0:02:07.690 --> 0:02:11.650 many champagnes. Got a little bit carried away. Surprise. I 0:02:11.690 --> 0:02:14.690 found out I was pregnant with Oscar the day before 0:02:14.690 --> 0:02:18.930 my hen's party. Oh. That's torture. How do you hide that? Oh, well, 0:02:18.930 --> 0:02:21.210 I had a stunt glass of champagne throughout my wedding. 0:02:21.210 --> 0:02:23.690 But how's this? So I told my besties the day 0:02:23.690 --> 0:02:27.649 before and we were planning this awesome hens. And yeah, 0:02:27.650 --> 0:02:30.410 they were so disappointed. Instead of being like, oh my God, 0:02:30.650 --> 0:02:32.690 because it's the first baby in the group. So Oscar 0:02:32.690 --> 0:02:37.210 is the first grandchild on both sides and the first baby. 0:02:37.210 --> 0:02:39.050 Out of all of my friendship groups, I think I 0:02:39.050 --> 0:02:42.610 was 27 at the time and they were all just 0:02:42.610 --> 0:02:46.090 so disappointed. No one was happy for me. They were appalled. 0:02:46.090 --> 0:02:48.650 Their jaws were on the floor like, what have you done? 0:02:48.690 --> 0:02:52.530 It's your hens party tomorrow. It's your wedding. You're an idiot. Yeah, 0:02:52.570 --> 0:02:54.330 I would have been devastated if you told me you 0:02:54.330 --> 0:02:56.690 were pregnant before you had. I'd be like, really? It 0:02:56.690 --> 0:02:58.610 was the most boring hen's party I've ever been to 0:02:58.650 --> 0:03:01.310 in my life. So, yeah. fast forward to 39 weeks. 0:03:01.910 --> 0:03:04.150 The waters broke and I got up and I'm looking. 0:03:04.150 --> 0:03:06.750 I'm like, what is this? I was having little cramps 0:03:06.750 --> 0:03:08.590 and I thought I needed to go number twos. So 0:03:08.590 --> 0:03:11.070 I stood up to walk to the toilet. In hindsight, 0:03:11.110 --> 0:03:13.350 who needs to do a poo at 2 a.m. in 0:03:13.389 --> 0:03:15.990 the morning? Yeah. No, no. No one. No. It was 0:03:15.990 --> 0:03:17.950 a cramp. It was like labor pains. And then. Yeah, 0:03:17.950 --> 0:03:20.070 the gush all over the carpet. Does it feel like 0:03:20.070 --> 0:03:22.990 you're weeing or just feels like you're leaking? Okay. Like, 0:03:23.030 --> 0:03:25.429 you know, like when you ovulate like that. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:25.430 --> 0:03:27.790 that a lot, but a lot. And it keeps and 0:03:27.950 --> 0:03:30.549 this is the other thing. So I put on some 0:03:30.590 --> 0:03:34.470 trackies and called the Labour ward and I said, yep, 0:03:34.470 --> 0:03:37.150 come in. You're on here. So I put on I 0:03:37.190 --> 0:03:40.230 vividly remember there were these country road tracksuit pants. I 0:03:40.230 --> 0:03:42.590 popped them on and I was saving them for that day. 0:03:43.150 --> 0:03:45.750 For that day. Pop them on. Got in the car. 0:03:45.790 --> 0:03:48.670 What happens when your waters break? They do not stop breaking. 0:03:48.670 --> 0:03:51.230 It's not like you have a gush and it's done. Yeah. 0:03:51.230 --> 0:03:55.870 You keep oozing until the baby comes. Oh, yeah. So 0:03:55.870 --> 0:03:58.910 by the time I get to the hospital, my pants 0:03:58.910 --> 0:04:02.300 are soaked down to the ankles. Straight in the bin. Oh, no. 0:04:02.340 --> 0:04:03.780 So what did you walk in? Did you have, like, 0:04:03.780 --> 0:04:06.500 a backup plan to, like, walk in? Not nerdy Rudy 0:04:06.500 --> 0:04:08.339 down the bottom. No, I just walked in, like, with 0:04:08.340 --> 0:04:11.860 saturated pants. Oh, yeah. Like, it was clearly my first 0:04:11.860 --> 0:04:14.300 time doing it. No experience. So I should have put 0:04:14.300 --> 0:04:17.340 a pad in. Yeah. Yeah. Had backup pants or a 0:04:17.339 --> 0:04:19.940 towel or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was pretty 0:04:19.940 --> 0:04:23.140 run of the mill. I had an epidural. He came out. Um, 0:04:23.140 --> 0:04:24.700 I needed a little bit of assistance. I think it 0:04:24.700 --> 0:04:28.099 was a vacuum extraction, but not too. Not too bad. Yeah. 0:04:28.140 --> 0:04:32.099 Didn't really feel much, but. God. Afterwards. The pain when 0:04:32.100 --> 0:04:35.740 the epidural wears off like full fire. Fanny. Hang on. 0:04:35.740 --> 0:04:37.660 But this is after you have the baby. Yeah. So 0:04:37.660 --> 0:04:40.580 I didn't feel anything when he was coming out. Love. Epidural. 0:04:40.620 --> 0:04:43.299 Loved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seamless. But I'm all. I'm 0:04:43.300 --> 0:04:45.860 pro intervention. I'm like, yep. Give me that needle. Give 0:04:45.860 --> 0:04:47.659 me that treatment. Give me this. If it's going to 0:04:47.660 --> 0:04:49.779 help I'm like more is more. Just do it all. Yeah. 0:04:49.900 --> 0:04:52.620 But after it wore off, I could not sit down 0:04:52.620 --> 0:04:54.580 like I'm sitting now. I could not sit on my 0:04:54.580 --> 0:04:57.420 bottom for two weeks. I had to lie on my 0:04:57.420 --> 0:04:59.839 side and prop myself up on my elbow. So much 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.920 so that my elbows were bruised. Yeah, yeah, it was like, 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.080 imagine your bits on fire. It was like that for 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.200 two weeks. Nah. Then by the time Billy came, my second, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:15.080 second one, it just flew out. It flew out? No fire, Fanny, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.279 no Panadol. Just like you know what I think? I 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.320 think it's like that memory. You've thought of the worst 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.440 and you've been in the worst pain, and you kind 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.440 of expect it for the second time. So then when 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.440 you do have the next baby, it's that pain's not 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.080 there because you've expected the worst, so it's never as bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.039 And it was fine. All your pregnancies though, like during 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.520 your pregnancies were fine. Like you didn't have I was 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.360 so lucky with the first two. And then. And then 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:44.200 bom bom bom bom and then the twins. How long 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.240 have we got on this episode today? I feel like 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.880 this is. She's got so many a whole series. So 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.800 then the twins came along. So when I went to 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.239 my first check with the twins, you know, so with 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.070 whenever I'm pregnant, I don't know if you're the same, Ehm, 0:05:58.310 --> 0:06:02.070 but the husband comes or the partner comes to the 0:06:02.070 --> 0:06:04.150 first scan and then you see the heartbeat, and then 0:06:04.150 --> 0:06:06.310 after that I just always go to the scans by myself. 0:06:06.510 --> 0:06:08.630 So we go into the first scan and I just 0:06:08.630 --> 0:06:11.230 felt a bit off and I had no morning sickness. 0:06:11.230 --> 0:06:13.070 I was so lucky with the older two. I had 0:06:13.070 --> 0:06:15.789 really bad morning sickness and I just, I don't know 0:06:15.790 --> 0:06:17.469 if I'm psychic or I just had this weird energy. 0:06:17.470 --> 0:06:21.350 I'm like, something is so off with this pregnancy. And 0:06:21.350 --> 0:06:23.510 I went in and I said to my obstetrician, I'm like, oh, 0:06:23.550 --> 0:06:25.030 can you just check there's not two in there? This 0:06:25.029 --> 0:06:27.310 is really weird. So I'm in there with Chris and 0:06:27.310 --> 0:06:29.710 he scans me and he has a good old look around. 0:06:29.710 --> 0:06:32.710 He goes, nah, it's only one baby. Like, phew, okay. 0:06:32.750 --> 0:06:35.670 Because this one feels different. All right, so we leave. Okay. 0:06:35.670 --> 0:06:37.790 So we're having our third baby. All good. I went 0:06:37.790 --> 0:06:40.429 back for a routine scan by myself without my husband. 0:06:40.430 --> 0:06:42.910 Four weeks later, and I'm looking at the screen as 0:06:42.910 --> 0:06:45.470 he's doing a scan, and there's, like, this blob up 0:06:45.470 --> 0:06:48.950 in the corner. And I said, what's that blob up there, Lynn? 0:06:49.390 --> 0:06:51.630 And he zoomed in on the blob, and as he 0:06:51.630 --> 0:06:56.310 zoomed in, the blob miraculously turned into a baby and 0:06:56.310 --> 0:06:59.050 it moved. And it was like a wave. Like it's 0:06:59.050 --> 0:07:02.890 like I'm gonna make your life a living hell. And 0:07:02.890 --> 0:07:05.050 it's been a living hell ever since. No. Just kidding. 0:07:05.050 --> 0:07:08.650 I'm kidding. No, just. The pregnancy was tough. It was hard. Yeah. 0:07:08.930 --> 0:07:11.890 The whole last eight years has been tough. Just kidding. 0:07:11.890 --> 0:07:14.090 I remember watching you pregnant with the twins. Oh, my God. 0:07:14.090 --> 0:07:17.730 And you were just. I remember you rocking up to school, 0:07:17.730 --> 0:07:19.810 and your tummy would be out to here on my 0:07:19.810 --> 0:07:22.650 stick legs, on your stick leg and you just struggling 0:07:22.690 --> 0:07:24.610 to move. And I remember looking at going that poor 0:07:24.650 --> 0:07:28.530 bitch like. And then you also think, are these babies 0:07:28.570 --> 0:07:32.450 like the same gestation because there's a thing called superfetation twins. Yes. 0:07:32.490 --> 0:07:35.130 Where which is what I only had with Jagger, which 0:07:35.130 --> 0:07:40.450 is I was pregnant and then got pregnant while being pregnant. What? 0:07:40.490 --> 0:07:44.650 How much sex are you having, girl? So. And then. 0:07:44.650 --> 0:07:46.810 So when I was having my 12 week scan with 0:07:46.810 --> 0:07:49.610 my third, they were like, oh my God. And this 0:07:49.610 --> 0:07:51.730 is the sonographer. I was like, what? She goes, oh, 0:07:51.770 --> 0:07:54.810 did you have really high levels of HCG? And I go, yeah, huge. 0:07:54.810 --> 0:07:58.320 I've been so sick. And they go, you've ovulated while 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.640 being pregnant and then you've had sex again. Yeah, so 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.040 they said we can't. So then my actual due date 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.240 changed because I found out I was pregnant and then 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.040 I had the scan. They couldn't do an internal because, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.920 you know, how they don't do internals in the first 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.520 six weeks of your pregnancy. They like to leave it 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.480 to the 12th. Yeah. So then when I went back 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.520 for that scan, they went. That's when they did the 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.280 internal because I was so sick. I was so sick 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.320 and I wasn't with the other two. Yeah. And then 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.840 she goes, oh my God, you've ovulated while being pregnant 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.320 and you've got pregnant again. So they were trying to 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.920 work out if Jagger was the first or the second, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.480 the second. But that changed the day by eight days. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.920 So then so was he the first or the second? 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.520 He would have been the second. Oh, wow. So anyway. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.640 And they said only 14 babies in the world at 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.320 this is at this time back in 2017 that have 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:52.280 been born as superfetation twins where they've been, they've they're 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.160 gestations are different. You've got pregnant twice. You've got pregnant 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.380 while being pregnant with the twins. I ended up having 0:08:58.380 --> 0:09:00.300 to have an emergency caesarean with them, so I had 0:09:00.300 --> 0:09:02.740 two natural births. So I've gone through the experience of 0:09:02.740 --> 0:09:06.300 having a caesarean as well. Yeah, and gosh, that I 0:09:06.700 --> 0:09:10.099 take my hat off to you girls. That was bloody hard. 0:09:10.140 --> 0:09:12.580 So I have to say, the first you've had the three. 0:09:12.900 --> 0:09:16.260 I've had three gorgeous kids. Yeah, I've had three caesareans. 0:09:16.260 --> 0:09:19.740 And because when I was 21, I was pregnant with 0:09:19.740 --> 0:09:22.819 River and they said I had child bride, child brides, child, bride. 0:09:22.820 --> 0:09:24.580 And they said I had placenta previa. And with that 0:09:24.580 --> 0:09:27.540 you can't have a natural birth. So that's when the 0:09:27.540 --> 0:09:29.860 placenta grows over the cervix. Is that right? Yeah. It's 0:09:29.860 --> 0:09:31.459 in the way of the birth canal. So you're actually 0:09:31.460 --> 0:09:34.020 giving birth to the placenta before the baby. So back 0:09:34.020 --> 0:09:36.780 in the olden days when, you know, mothers would die. Yeah. 0:09:36.820 --> 0:09:40.620 Giving birth, it's usually because of placenta previa. So I 0:09:40.620 --> 0:09:44.020 was just so upset because I was, you know, 21. 0:09:44.020 --> 0:09:48.059 And I thought my body couldn't do what it's naturally 0:09:48.059 --> 0:09:50.460 meant to be doing. Like. And I really wanted to have, like, 0:09:50.460 --> 0:09:53.940 this natural birth and, you know, and I thought Kumbaya. Yeah. 0:09:53.940 --> 0:09:56.730 That Kumbaya. And I thought I failed. No. God, I know, 0:09:56.929 --> 0:09:58.610 and I know that now. But I remember at the 0:09:58.610 --> 0:10:00.890 time I was just like, this is the one thing 0:10:00.890 --> 0:10:04.090 that I could say I can do, and my husband can't, 0:10:04.090 --> 0:10:06.170 and I still can't. But you know what? Your husband 0:10:06.170 --> 0:10:08.170 can't have a caesarean either. No you can't. That's true, 0:10:08.210 --> 0:10:10.569 that's true. So then feed a baby and. Yeah. And 0:10:10.570 --> 0:10:13.530 grow a baby. No. That's so true. Yeah. Five minutes. 0:10:13.530 --> 0:10:15.490 That's all we need from them. And we do the rest. 0:10:15.530 --> 0:10:19.210 Five minutes. But yeah. So I ended up having a 0:10:19.210 --> 0:10:22.290 caesarean with River. So. So she's your oldest. She's 13. 0:10:22.330 --> 0:10:25.570 She's 13. Yeah. And and that's how we met. Yes. 0:10:25.610 --> 0:10:28.250 Because River and Oscar started at school together when they 0:10:28.250 --> 0:10:32.250 were three years old, and now they're teenagers. Um, and so, yes, 0:10:32.250 --> 0:10:34.449 I went in and had my caesarean. I was put 0:10:34.450 --> 0:10:39.650 on strict bedrest from 16 weeks pregnant, could not move 0:10:39.690 --> 0:10:42.890 for the entire pregnancy. I bled the whole time. Oh, wow. Yeah. 0:10:42.890 --> 0:10:46.050 It was. I fainted all the time. It was just. Yeah. 0:10:46.250 --> 0:10:48.450 And then when did you have an elective caesarean? So 0:10:48.450 --> 0:10:50.690 I had an elective caesarean. How many weeks? I was 0:10:50.690 --> 0:10:53.570 37 weeks. They had me quite early because of the 0:10:53.570 --> 0:10:56.750 bleeding and the constant fainting. 37 weeks is a good 0:10:56.750 --> 0:11:00.750 gestation to get to. That's like really 37 weeks in 0:11:00.750 --> 0:11:02.990 four days or five days. Really good for someone who's 0:11:02.990 --> 0:11:04.910 been on bed rest for that long. Yeah. And I 0:11:04.910 --> 0:11:07.670 was so over it. So then had River. Even that 0:11:07.670 --> 0:11:09.429 was a bit traumatic, I think, cause I was so young, 0:11:09.429 --> 0:11:11.590 I didn't know what to expect. It was fine. Yeah. 0:11:11.630 --> 0:11:15.390 And then Scarlet was. I just kept fainting with her. 0:11:15.510 --> 0:11:19.309 The pregnancy just fainted. And Scarlet. No, ten. Now ten. 0:11:19.350 --> 0:11:24.230 She's ten. And so hers was actually quite textbook caesarean. 0:11:24.230 --> 0:11:26.390 Had a caesarean with her because I had borderline at 0:11:26.390 --> 0:11:30.710 this point pre-eclampsia okay. And then I was like super 0:11:30.710 --> 0:11:34.470 unwell the whole pregnancy. I was like on Zofran I 0:11:34.470 --> 0:11:37.630 had bloody those patches. Oh you did I remember you 0:11:37.630 --> 0:11:39.550 had I was like, what are these, those weird things, 0:11:39.590 --> 0:11:42.270 those weird things that you have for boat sickness and 0:11:42.270 --> 0:11:47.070 all that. Did you ever, ever eat your placenta? What? No. 0:11:47.110 --> 0:11:49.829 Like a full. It's a trend. Everyone does it. No 0:11:49.830 --> 0:11:54.790 it's not. You never, like tried? No. Never thought about it? No. Well, 0:11:54.790 --> 0:11:57.410 the Kardashians did it. Did they? Yeah, they all did it. 0:11:57.450 --> 0:12:00.010 Did you do it? I did it. What? I did it. Yep, 0:12:00.010 --> 0:12:03.570 I did it. Yeah, well, so, River, I was really young, 0:12:03.570 --> 0:12:05.650 and we actually took the placenta home and buried it 0:12:05.650 --> 0:12:07.730 under the lemon tree. No way. I didn't understand the 0:12:07.730 --> 0:12:10.330 whole encapsulation thing. Okay, so you just got the placenta planted, 0:12:10.330 --> 0:12:12.570 and we just planted it. And did the lemon tree 0:12:12.570 --> 0:12:14.690 just go bloom and grow and flourished? Look at it. 0:12:14.690 --> 0:12:16.650 It's still growing. 13 years later. And look at all 0:12:16.650 --> 0:12:19.650 the lemons. Um, bring some lemons back with the other kids, 0:12:19.690 --> 0:12:22.090 and you do it again. So with River, I had 0:12:22.090 --> 0:12:27.210 really severe post-natal depression. Like, really bad. And so when 0:12:27.210 --> 0:12:30.650 I had my second Scarlet, I was like, I'm going 0:12:30.690 --> 0:12:34.370 to do everything opposite to how I had River. So 0:12:34.610 --> 0:12:37.290 I thought I heard that, you know, eating your placenta 0:12:37.450 --> 0:12:41.930 could help with really severe post-natal depression. So I gave 0:12:41.929 --> 0:12:44.890 it a go and I didn't lose as much hair. 0:12:44.929 --> 0:12:47.290 My iron was, you know, normal and you didn't get 0:12:47.290 --> 0:12:49.570 post-natal depression. Didn't get post-natal depression. But I don't know 0:12:49.570 --> 0:12:52.809 if it's like mind over matter thinking taking something like 0:12:52.809 --> 0:12:54.610 a placebo. It was going to make it work. It 0:12:54.610 --> 0:12:57.880 was that kind of. Yeah. Interesting. The brain is just 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.280 so strong. Oh, you know, you absolutely trick yourself. Yeah. Constantly. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.640 Like on how you can feel and all that. So 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.760 I think that was that journey I took. So let's 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.959 bring in Anna Papadakis from opening to life because she 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.720 encapsulates placentas. So we can ask her all the questions 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.880 about how it's done and what the benefits are. So welcome. Anna. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.359 Bain. Ish. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.880 Welcome, Anna to varnish. Tell us about your profession and 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.040 your qualifications. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.239 I've been in the birth world since my twin boys 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.040 were born, so they were not one yet when I 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.120 started doula training. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:40.760 Yeah. Wow. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.160 So I became very. I always kind of have a 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.040 corporate background and but also a spiritual sort of seeker 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.520 kind of side bent. My friend was having a doula. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.320 I'm like, oh, you have a doula, you've got your 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.000 personal hairdresser and your this and your that. But we 0:13:55.100 --> 0:13:58.819 had a little gathering, like a blessing way, and I 0:13:58.820 --> 0:14:02.420 was like, I can't imagine anything I'd rather do than talk, 0:14:02.460 --> 0:14:05.300 be at births and talk about birth. So I started 0:14:05.300 --> 0:14:08.460 doing the training when my boys twin boys were not 0:14:08.460 --> 0:14:09.100 even one. 0:14:09.140 --> 0:14:10.579 What is doula training? 0:14:10.700 --> 0:14:13.580 Well, a doula is someone who's present at birth. So 0:14:13.620 --> 0:14:19.620 it's emotional physical support at birth. Non-medical support. Or I mean, 0:14:19.660 --> 0:14:21.700 it may be thought of as a lay midwife, like 0:14:21.780 --> 0:14:25.660 women have been supporting women forever. And it's that someone 0:14:25.660 --> 0:14:28.420 that knows what you really want and you can trust, 0:14:28.420 --> 0:14:32.380 and is rubbing your back and encouraging you and supporting 0:14:32.380 --> 0:14:35.980 you with your agenda at heart. Yeah, they don't have 0:14:35.980 --> 0:14:38.860 any other agenda but being present to you. And I 0:14:38.860 --> 0:14:42.020 just love that I became very, very passionate about trusting 0:14:42.140 --> 0:14:45.180 birth and trusting life that goes along with it, you know, 0:14:45.180 --> 0:14:47.100 and the attitude of being present no matter what. 0:14:47.140 --> 0:14:50.220 I'd love to actually be and see someone else give birth, 0:14:50.260 --> 0:14:52.660 because it's different when it's yourself, because, you know, you 0:14:52.700 --> 0:14:54.700 kind of like you're waiting for them to make a 0:14:54.770 --> 0:14:57.650 sound or are they okay? And am I okay? Are 0:14:57.690 --> 0:15:01.410 they okay? Exactly. You're kind of you're more stressed in 0:15:01.450 --> 0:15:04.970 that sense, but like watching somebody else just bring you know, 0:15:05.010 --> 0:15:07.450 I'm jealous of my husband being able to watch. 0:15:07.490 --> 0:15:10.130 Well, your husband probably didn't know what was going on. 0:15:10.130 --> 0:15:11.770 And often men are really frightened. 0:15:11.850 --> 0:15:12.210 Mhm. 0:15:12.410 --> 0:15:15.370 And so they're they're kind of lost in their concern 0:15:15.370 --> 0:15:18.450 and wanting you to be okay. And, and we often 0:15:18.450 --> 0:15:20.610 have strangers at our birth. So to have someone who 0:15:20.610 --> 0:15:23.610 really gets to know you. Well we used to you know, 0:15:23.650 --> 0:15:25.170 it used to be a communal thing where we'd be 0:15:25.170 --> 0:15:27.490 with our sisters and we'd birth, would be at home, 0:15:27.490 --> 0:15:30.730 and we would know that very well. So having people 0:15:30.730 --> 0:15:32.570 you've never met before at your birth who don't know 0:15:32.570 --> 0:15:35.810 really anything about you. Yeah. Um, is a different thing 0:15:36.050 --> 0:15:38.690 than having someone who knows you deeply, knows what you 0:15:38.690 --> 0:15:42.170 long for, that you who you trust. And. Yeah, it's 0:15:42.170 --> 0:15:43.850 a very intimate thing. 0:15:44.090 --> 0:15:47.010 Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Oh. That's cool. So now you're into 0:15:47.050 --> 0:15:51.450 encapsulating placenta. So a lot of people do it these days. 0:15:51.450 --> 0:15:54.050 The Kardashians do it. A lot of celebrities do it. 0:15:54.110 --> 0:15:57.510 I did it. And it's funny, I did it. My 0:15:57.510 --> 0:16:01.670 husband organized it all. And, like, I didn't really research 0:16:01.710 --> 0:16:04.470 on what it did for me. I just was told 0:16:04.470 --> 0:16:07.270 it was really good and to do it. And I 0:16:07.270 --> 0:16:10.270 definitely noticed a difference. Um, so what made you go 0:16:10.270 --> 0:16:12.310 into that? You know, that direction? 0:16:12.310 --> 0:16:14.270 I became a trainer of doula, so I was teaching 0:16:14.270 --> 0:16:17.550 doula training, and I was doing birth education, and I 0:16:17.550 --> 0:16:20.270 was approached by a woman who was doing trainings in 0:16:20.270 --> 0:16:23.630 the States, and I attended that training and started encapsulating 0:16:23.630 --> 0:16:27.230 placentas straight away. I'd considered eating my placenta for my 0:16:27.230 --> 0:16:30.910 daughter in 2004, and I happened to speak to someone 0:16:30.910 --> 0:16:32.910 when I was pregnant who said that she froze her 0:16:32.910 --> 0:16:36.390 placenta and cut it up in little bits and popped 0:16:36.390 --> 0:16:38.310 it like a pill, because I didn't like the idea 0:16:38.310 --> 0:16:40.190 of cooking it and eating the whole thing. 0:16:40.230 --> 0:16:42.350 I cooked it and ate it. Did you hang on, 0:16:42.510 --> 0:16:45.590 hang on. Tell the truth, I didn't actually cook Anita. 0:16:45.590 --> 0:16:49.950 It was actually my sister in law's. And even though 0:16:49.950 --> 0:16:53.390 I've had the dried, you know, the capsules. Your own. Yeah. 0:16:53.430 --> 0:16:57.100 My own. My sister in law gave birth to my 0:16:57.100 --> 0:17:00.180 little nephew. She wanted to cook it and have it 0:17:00.180 --> 0:17:03.980 in a different kind of form anyway, so they chopped 0:17:03.980 --> 0:17:05.780 it up. They put it in the wok. They put 0:17:05.820 --> 0:17:08.139 herbs and spices in it. What herbs and spices are 0:17:08.140 --> 0:17:12.060 we talking? I don't even know pepper. I get garlic, everything. 0:17:12.100 --> 0:17:14.500 I think to kind of disguise the taste. And I 0:17:14.500 --> 0:17:17.260 was just not involved or wanting to do it. I 0:17:17.260 --> 0:17:18.580 was just like, this is not my journey. I kind 0:17:18.619 --> 0:17:21.300 of left the room and then when everyone was like 0:17:21.340 --> 0:17:23.820 sitting down to eat it, well, her and her husband, 0:17:24.180 --> 0:17:25.580 they're like, well, do you want to have a little try? 0:17:25.580 --> 0:17:27.740 And then I'm kind of like, I'm always very much, 0:17:27.940 --> 0:17:30.660 you know, got to do everything once, give everything a go. 0:17:31.180 --> 0:17:33.300 So I thought, you know what, what's the harm? Like 0:17:33.300 --> 0:17:35.100 it's been cooked, but then I yeah, it popped in 0:17:35.100 --> 0:17:36.660 my mouth and ate it. And I was like, oh, 0:17:36.859 --> 0:17:39.500 it's like garlic, salt and pepper. And now you can 0:17:39.500 --> 0:17:42.340 say you ate your sister in law's fried placenta. I 0:17:42.340 --> 0:17:46.260 can literally say that. So what is the process of 0:17:46.500 --> 0:17:49.379 taking the placenta. Yeah. Until you dry it out. 0:17:49.420 --> 0:17:52.419 Yeah. Well, yes, you can just eat it yourself. 0:17:52.460 --> 0:17:53.300 How long does it keep? 0:17:53.300 --> 0:17:57.400 Well, that's why we dehydrate it. It's actually to preserve. Yeah, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.199 it's a preserving process so that you don't have to 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.120 eat it all in one sitting. Yeah. So, you know, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.119 we're kind of making beef jerky, like, we're dehydrating. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.520 Jerky situation. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.600 Yeah, well, a little bit more than that. And also dehydrating. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.160 We're trying to preserve as much of the nutrient factor. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.600 So cooking, you do lose some of that nutrient factor 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.040 and you lose volume. So dehydrating it is a way 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.840 to preserve it. And then you can grind it up 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.840 and put it into capsules so that you can store it, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.560 dose it and keep it, you know, and let it 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.600 last a little bit longer and be able to have 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.600 a little bit at a time and take a little 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.400 bit of that confronting factor out of it. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.080 Yeah. So you offer this service? 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:37.560 I offer this. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.679 Service. Yeah. Okay. So what are the benefits? Sell it 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:40.080 to me. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.000 When we're pregnant. And towards the end of the pregnancy, 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.080 we've got more blood volume and we've got higher hormone 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.200 levels than at any other time. And all of that 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:55.390 is in the placenta. So after we give birth, we 0:18:55.390 --> 0:19:00.030 have a massive drop in hormones and in blood volume. Basically, 0:19:00.030 --> 0:19:04.510 what we're doing is like recycling it back into the system. 0:19:04.590 --> 0:19:05.790 So what's actually in it? 0:19:05.790 --> 0:19:08.310 So what's in it is if you were to design 0:19:08.590 --> 0:19:13.909 the most amazing antidepressant health boost, those are all the 0:19:13.910 --> 0:19:16.710 elements in it. So there's a lot of iron. So 0:19:16.750 --> 0:19:21.950 iron is good for energy and recovery and well-being and mood. 0:19:22.310 --> 0:19:26.070 There's vitamin B6. There's stem cells. 0:19:26.109 --> 0:19:29.149 Yes. Which is we we love the stem cells, the 0:19:29.150 --> 0:19:31.590 stem cells, the stem cells. 0:19:31.630 --> 0:19:36.590 There's there's hormones. So there's, um, estrogen, progesterone and oxytocin. 0:19:36.590 --> 0:19:37.430 So these. 0:19:37.430 --> 0:19:38.590 Are the happy one right. 0:19:38.630 --> 0:19:40.109 There. That's the love hormone. 0:19:40.190 --> 0:19:40.550 Yeah. 0:19:40.590 --> 0:19:42.149 It's the feel good hormones. 0:19:42.190 --> 0:19:43.350 I need some more of that before I go home 0:19:43.350 --> 0:19:44.470 to the kids. Yeah, yeah. 0:19:44.510 --> 0:19:45.190 That's right. 0:19:45.230 --> 0:19:48.389 I need oxytocin jab. Yeah yeah, yeah. Do you have 0:19:48.390 --> 0:19:52.350 any placenta capsules on you right now? Do they have 0:19:52.450 --> 0:19:54.609 human growth hormone in them? Yes. Yeah. 0:19:55.170 --> 0:19:59.370 And there's cortisol and there's human lactogen hormones. So that's 0:19:59.369 --> 0:20:01.850 why it increases breast milk supply. 0:20:02.010 --> 0:20:03.530 Okay. So what are the benefits. 0:20:03.650 --> 0:20:09.090 So all of those things are energizing. So basically if 0:20:09.090 --> 0:20:11.090 we go back a little bit of like you lose 0:20:11.090 --> 0:20:14.690 all of that. So when you lose all of that, you. 0:20:15.210 --> 0:20:17.730 That's why we have what we call the three day blues. 0:20:17.730 --> 0:20:20.490 Because your your hormone levels dive. 0:20:20.490 --> 0:20:24.290 Yeah. Oh, man. I did not stop crying, crocodile. Like the. 0:20:24.490 --> 0:20:27.810 That would be sploshing in my pumpkin risotto. I'd be there. 0:20:28.130 --> 0:20:30.930 I'm so happy. I've just had a baby. 0:20:30.970 --> 0:20:32.290 I'm happy. I love him. But. 0:20:32.330 --> 0:20:35.930 And then you could. They were so big. It was 0:20:35.930 --> 0:20:38.729 like a bowl full of tears, and they just would 0:20:38.730 --> 0:20:42.970 not stop. I actually felt like I was losing my mind. 0:20:42.970 --> 0:20:45.969 And no one prepared me for those three day baby 0:20:45.970 --> 0:20:47.970 blues or the. Yeah, I mean. 0:20:47.970 --> 0:20:50.090 There's no content. You don't know why you're crying. 0:20:50.130 --> 0:20:53.760 No, but. And I kind of felt happy, but bawling 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.000 my eyes out at the same time. It was like 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.640 such a headfuck. It was. Yeah, I did that every 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.199 time I left the hospital because I didn't want to 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.000 leave the hospital cos I was like, the hospital food 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.680 is so nice and I've got all these people caring 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.000 for me. Yeah. And you know what else? This is 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.000 so weird. But every time I've had a baby, and 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:10.760 by the second and the third time, I knew it 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.680 was coming. But I'd always say to my husband when 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.320 we left, I think I want to go and work 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.320 for my obstetrician in his office. Yes, yes. Because I 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.520 didn't want that connection to end. Yes. Because I had 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.880 such a and and to his gorgeous midwives, I had 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.639 such a deep connection, which was obviously there anyway. But 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.080 I think the hormones are obviously driving that, and I 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.560 didn't want to lose that. I thought, I'll just train up. 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.080 I'll be, I'll be, I'll, I'll go and be a 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:41.560 midwife and doula. And yes, it's crazy the, the the 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.320 way the hormones change your thought patterns. And I thought, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.440 there's no big life decisions to be made immediately after birth. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.620 You've got to wait for everything to settle. because what 0:21:52.619 --> 0:21:55.580 it does to your personality is wild. So what you 0:21:55.580 --> 0:21:59.380 lose after giving birth, the capsules that you take, it's 0:21:59.580 --> 0:22:02.500 it's putting it back in. That's right. And kind of stabilizing, 0:22:02.540 --> 0:22:06.619 you know, your energy, your iron, your mood, all of 0:22:06.660 --> 0:22:07.220 that which. 0:22:07.220 --> 0:22:13.060 Is helping physical recovery and helping you not to be depleted. Yeah. 0:22:13.100 --> 0:22:15.860 So you're depleting. You kind of get depleted by the 0:22:15.859 --> 0:22:20.060 birth process and kind of like the survival process is 0:22:20.619 --> 0:22:22.860 designed to look after the baby. So when the baby's 0:22:22.859 --> 0:22:25.699 in you, you're glowing. You've got it all. You know, 0:22:25.740 --> 0:22:28.100 people say they glow and they feel great and your 0:22:28.100 --> 0:22:31.180 hair thickens and all of that because all the nourishment 0:22:31.340 --> 0:22:34.460 is on the system so that it can go through 0:22:34.460 --> 0:22:39.660 to the baby. But after birth, we lose hair. We lose. 0:22:39.859 --> 0:22:40.699 You know, just lost, like. 0:22:41.020 --> 0:22:41.740 Because you kind. 0:22:41.740 --> 0:22:41.940 Of. 0:22:42.380 --> 0:22:44.100 It all goes to the baby. 0:22:44.300 --> 0:22:44.700 Yeah. 0:22:44.740 --> 0:22:47.980 So we want to replenish the mother in on all 0:22:47.980 --> 0:22:51.380 levels so that we're not just losing all of our 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.920 kind of nourishment to support the the baby. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.040 Yeah. I had friends whose teeth fell out when they 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.640 were pregnant because they weren't getting enough calcium. So the 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.560 baby takes will take the calcium. And what bones are 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.120 the highest density of calcium is your teeth. Your teeth, 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.320 your teeth fall out. Isn't that crazy? That's why in 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:08.720 my mind, I'm like. That's why I was craving milk 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.360 the whole time I was pregnant, right? Yeah. I didn't 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.760 think of that. Are there any other, apart from humans? 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.000 Like to animals eat their placentas. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.320 Every mammal eats their placenta. Even vegans. I've seen some 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.280 footage of, like, monkeys. Chimpanzees like fighting to try and 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.440 get the other monkeys placenta. 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.679 No way is there a black market for people's placentas. Like, 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.040 do people eat other people's placentas? Oh I did, yeah, 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.760 but I mean, would people, would people buy someone else's placenta? 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.280 I've heard that you can sell your placenta in China. 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:40.560 So they've been using bloody. 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:41.959 Should have got the twins one that would have gone 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.119 for big money. That was such big money. 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.240 That's the oldest culture that have been using placenta as 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:51.710 not just for post-natal medicine, but for as a medicine 0:23:51.710 --> 0:23:52.310 for a long time. 0:23:52.310 --> 0:23:54.310 What else can you use it for if not postnatal? 0:23:54.310 --> 0:23:57.510 It's a blood tonic. It's a strengthening tonic. So for 0:23:57.510 --> 0:23:59.350 for strengthening right. 0:24:00.390 --> 0:24:01.510 Na na na na na. 0:24:04.109 --> 0:24:10.790 Name is your company when you are drying somebody's placenta. 0:24:10.790 --> 0:24:14.150 If you're not actually there at their birth, how's the process? 0:24:14.190 --> 0:24:16.550 Like is someone giving birth at the hospital? Do you 0:24:16.550 --> 0:24:19.070 then come in and collect it? Do you have to 0:24:19.070 --> 0:24:21.550 collect it in a certain amount of hours or days? 0:24:21.590 --> 0:24:24.590 Like what is the actual process if someone's looking at 0:24:24.590 --> 0:24:25.510 doing this? 0:24:25.550 --> 0:24:28.310 We want the turnaround to be quick. So we're like 0:24:28.350 --> 0:24:31.150 there are long term benefits, but if we we want 0:24:31.190 --> 0:24:33.310 to be quick because we want it like straight away 0:24:33.310 --> 0:24:36.750 within 24 hours, pick it up. Yeah. Um, and then. 0:24:36.790 --> 0:24:38.350 So you put it in a bag or like a. 0:24:38.390 --> 0:24:39.510 Well most hospitals. 0:24:39.510 --> 0:24:39.790 You. 0:24:40.070 --> 0:24:41.270 I will arrange a collection. 0:24:41.310 --> 0:24:41.629 Okay. 0:24:41.630 --> 0:24:44.790 Yep. Um, I'll use couriers or myself or whatever to 0:24:44.990 --> 0:24:48.910 pick it up in a timely manner. Um, most hospitals have, 0:24:49.070 --> 0:24:53.490 like a it's considered biohazard because it's medical waste. So 0:24:53.650 --> 0:24:56.930 because of that, they want to contain it which which 0:24:56.930 --> 0:24:59.130 is good for your safety as well as theirs. And 0:24:59.130 --> 0:25:01.450 same with my my safety and your safety are the same. 0:25:01.450 --> 0:25:03.090 So I'm going to take care of it because I 0:25:03.090 --> 0:25:06.050 want to take care of me and I'm going to. Yeah. 0:25:06.050 --> 0:25:08.370 So they have a little they have the most hospitals 0:25:08.369 --> 0:25:11.010 have buckets with sealed lids. And they've got your little label, 0:25:11.050 --> 0:25:12.690 you know, you get your sticker with all your dates 0:25:12.690 --> 0:25:15.250 on it and that gets stuck on it. And that's easy, 0:25:15.450 --> 0:25:19.530 easy for managing. And so I collect it, I process 0:25:19.530 --> 0:25:23.010 it and then get the capsules packaged. There's a few 0:25:23.010 --> 0:25:25.570 things in the package when you send them back. 0:25:25.810 --> 0:25:27.409 Yeah. And how long does it take? 0:25:28.050 --> 0:25:29.530 Usually within three days. 0:25:29.570 --> 0:25:30.889 Okay. And the cost? 0:25:30.890 --> 0:25:34.130 Between 4 and $500 approximately. Okay. Yeah. 0:25:34.170 --> 0:25:38.930 So we touched on those three day baby blues hormones 0:25:39.570 --> 0:25:44.890 having babies especially I think having your first baby. Absolutely. 0:25:45.090 --> 0:25:49.250 It rocked my world. And nobody told me how much 0:25:49.250 --> 0:25:52.400 of maybe it was like an identity crisis. It's like, 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.800 who am I? I'm a mom. Am I still my 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:59.520 old self? Apart from something like placenta encapsulation, what can 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.679 we do to help new moms? 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.840 Education is really limited. You know, doula training was wonderful 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.080 because we'd be sitting together with women. It's like, I 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.879 don't know if you've read the book the Red tent. 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:11.800 Have you read that book? 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.080 No, but I was telling you, that's what we say 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.560 when we both when we get our period. I mean, the. 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:17.240 Tents, right? 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:21.000 I'm in the tent. Are you? When she's like, yesterday, 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.120 I'm like, me too. What time of the day? Yeah. 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.040 Who is my Alpha? And got it first. We are 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.119 in sync. Yeah. But yeah. So we're. Yeah, we definitely 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.000 know about the Red tent. 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:31.960 Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of the focus these days 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:36.679 is on snapping back, you know, and people are really, like, admired. 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.920 She's got a pre-baby body back and she's back at work. 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.320 And you know, it's great if she looks unaffected by 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.200 the birth of a baby. And we've really not connecting 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:51.100 to the profound spiritual awakening and the changes and the 0:26:51.140 --> 0:26:54.620 you're becoming, you are becoming a whole new person. And 0:26:54.619 --> 0:26:58.660 that can evoke a lot of things. It can awaken things. 0:26:58.660 --> 0:27:02.500 It can activate trauma, gaslight. So if we we need 0:27:02.500 --> 0:27:06.739 to be sharing these stories, ideally, you know, if I 0:27:06.740 --> 0:27:09.740 could wish for something for women to be doing sort of. 0:27:09.780 --> 0:27:13.020 There are things around there like new mother circles and 0:27:13.020 --> 0:27:16.180 pregnancy circles where people are sharing their stories, how they're 0:27:16.180 --> 0:27:20.540 feeling and connecting to the bigger picture, rather than the 0:27:20.580 --> 0:27:22.060 nuts and bolts of what's going on. 0:27:22.100 --> 0:27:23.899 Yeah, because at the end of the day, social media, 0:27:23.940 --> 0:27:26.659 like people can smash a baby out and look great, 0:27:26.660 --> 0:27:30.220 but it's not. It's not the way. No. With me. 0:27:30.220 --> 0:27:32.340 So I wrote a book called The Baby Bible, and 0:27:32.340 --> 0:27:36.500 I shared my experience because being the first person in 0:27:36.500 --> 0:27:39.460 my family on both sides and in my friendship group 0:27:39.460 --> 0:27:41.860 to have a baby, no one told me how shit 0:27:41.900 --> 0:27:44.459 it could be. So I went in there and you 0:27:44.460 --> 0:27:46.379 kind of see these these Hollywood movies. I had the 0:27:46.380 --> 0:27:49.930 Hollywood experience. I was telling Jess earlier of the, you know, 0:27:49.970 --> 0:27:53.250 the waters breaking and the amniotic fluid gushing out. And 0:27:53.250 --> 0:27:55.609 it was like, okay, this is this is how I 0:27:55.890 --> 0:27:59.250 this playing out. As per, I thought it would, but 0:27:59.250 --> 0:28:01.970 no one actually told me that, you know, when they 0:28:01.970 --> 0:28:03.690 give you when they hand you your baby and then 0:28:03.690 --> 0:28:06.610 you take your baby home, that sometimes then they might 0:28:06.609 --> 0:28:08.570 not be a connection there, and you might not be 0:28:08.570 --> 0:28:11.690 enjoying yourself, and you might be completely bewildered and overwhelmed 0:28:11.690 --> 0:28:14.169 by the experience, because what you see in movies is, oh, 0:28:14.170 --> 0:28:15.810 they place the baby in my arms. It was love 0:28:15.810 --> 0:28:18.409 at first sight. This whole love at first sight. Yes, 0:28:18.410 --> 0:28:21.050 sometimes it happens. It happened for me with baby three 0:28:21.050 --> 0:28:23.930 and four, but with my first child it was shock. 0:28:23.970 --> 0:28:27.770 I remember my obstetrician said I delivered Oscar and he goes, 0:28:27.810 --> 0:28:31.090 take your baby. And I went, what? He goes, take 0:28:31.090 --> 0:28:34.010 your baby. And I was like, oh, I've got a 0:28:34.010 --> 0:28:35.850 baby now. And I had to. I grabbed him and 0:28:35.850 --> 0:28:37.330 I remember putting him on me and I was looking 0:28:37.330 --> 0:28:40.570 at him like, oh yeah, what is this? I'm like, 0:28:40.610 --> 0:28:41.770 it wasn't that ooh. 0:28:42.210 --> 0:28:45.290 Love, oh my God. I'm overwhelmed with this incredible emotion. 0:28:45.290 --> 0:28:46.050 It was like. 0:28:46.250 --> 0:28:46.650 What the. 0:28:46.690 --> 0:28:48.930 Fuck? Yeah, what do I do? And then he'd cry 0:28:49.030 --> 0:28:50.910 and then I'd need to feed him. And being a 0:28:50.910 --> 0:28:55.270 Type-A personality who micromanages everything, having no idea what I 0:28:55.270 --> 0:29:00.270 was doing and then thinking, who am I? Completely overwhelmed. 0:29:00.470 --> 0:29:01.910 No one told me it would be like that. I 0:29:01.910 --> 0:29:04.390 thought it was all going to be rainbows and beautiful 0:29:04.390 --> 0:29:07.590 music playing, and it just wasn't. So I wrote about 0:29:07.590 --> 0:29:10.310 it in my book, and then I tell everyone now 0:29:10.310 --> 0:29:13.510 who's having their first child, I'm like, it could be really, 0:29:13.510 --> 0:29:16.270 really shit. Prepare for it to be an identity crisis 0:29:16.270 --> 0:29:17.790 and for you to not enjoy it. And if you 0:29:17.790 --> 0:29:20.709 don't enjoy it, it's okay. But you might have the 0:29:20.710 --> 0:29:23.390 other experience where it is all rainbows and butterflies, because 0:29:23.390 --> 0:29:26.910 I've had that as well. But I think it's preparing women. 0:29:26.910 --> 0:29:29.470 I didn't have postnatal depression. I don't think I just was, 0:29:29.470 --> 0:29:31.670 I just didn't I don't know, it would have been 0:29:31.670 --> 0:29:33.990 all your hormones just all over the place and just 0:29:33.990 --> 0:29:37.230 not having that sense of control. And like, I knew 0:29:37.270 --> 0:29:40.030 what I was doing, being someone who always could manage 0:29:40.030 --> 0:29:42.750 everything and was good at everything. And your mum was also, 0:29:42.790 --> 0:29:45.070 I'm really shit at this. And my baby wakes up 0:29:45.070 --> 0:29:46.830 all night and I can't get him to sleep, and 0:29:46.830 --> 0:29:48.940 I just sit on the floor trying to get him 0:29:48.940 --> 0:29:50.900 to shut up because my husband was playing football and 0:29:50.900 --> 0:29:52.940 I didn't want him to wait. Chris and then Chris 0:29:52.940 --> 0:29:54.900 would have a bad game because the baby was awake. 0:29:54.900 --> 0:29:57.140 Chris couldn't care less. He just wanted to be with us. 0:29:57.140 --> 0:29:59.340 So I'd be trying to shush Oscar, just bawling my 0:29:59.340 --> 0:30:00.500 eyes out, going, hi. 0:30:00.780 --> 0:30:02.060 I'm out of control and this is. 0:30:02.060 --> 0:30:02.980 Shit and I hate it. 0:30:03.020 --> 0:30:05.540 Yeah, and also, it's not meant to be like this, 0:30:05.540 --> 0:30:07.780 so I'm feeling like shit, but I'm also feeling like 0:30:07.780 --> 0:30:11.180 a failure because this isn't how it was meant to be. Yeah. 0:30:11.180 --> 0:30:13.420 So if, you know, that's great that you're sort of 0:30:13.460 --> 0:30:16.220 educating people so that they can understand that it can 0:30:16.260 --> 0:30:19.540 be like that. I think there's bigger romantic fantasies about 0:30:19.540 --> 0:30:21.300 how you're going to feel, and the love you're going 0:30:21.340 --> 0:30:24.060 to feel with a new baby than romantic love, the 0:30:24.060 --> 0:30:26.900 romantic fantasy that you're talking about of, like, I'm in 0:30:26.900 --> 0:30:29.620 love and everything's wonderful and I just know what to do. 0:30:30.060 --> 0:30:33.700 And it's it's just easy. That's a fantasy. It's much 0:30:33.700 --> 0:30:35.620 more complicated and challenging, especially. 0:30:35.620 --> 0:30:38.140 With the first baby. I completely agree. Thank you so 0:30:38.140 --> 0:30:41.020 much for coming in. Learn a lot. Pleasure. Awesome. And 0:30:41.020 --> 0:30:46.260 if you want to encapsulate your placenta, we can find 0:30:46.260 --> 0:30:49.200 you at your company. It's called opening to life. 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.480 Opening to life. When I was a doula, that's the 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.760 whole thing. Opening to life and everything it brings. 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.640 And now it's like, and what's your Insta? Is it 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.120 the same at Opening to life? Yes. Amazing. 0:30:59.360 --> 0:30:59.840 Beautiful. 0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:01.440 Thank you so much, Anna, for coming in. 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:02.480 Beautiful to meet you. 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:13.600 She was great. She was amazing. I wish I'd encapsulated 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.960 the placenta from my twins. Now knowing just like that 0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:20.200 placenta was like a super human. Amazing. You would have 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.000 had that. You'd be. You'd be still eating. I'd still 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:25.280 be munching on it. Yeah. And I wouldn't be anemic. 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.200 I'd be glowing. I'd be all the stem cells would 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.600 be doing all the stem cell things. Yeah, you'd be 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.120 looking magical, even though you look magic anyway. But yeah. No, 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.320 it's so interesting. As I said earlier, like, I took 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.680 the placenta capsules, but not really knowing or reading the 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.600 research and what it would do. I kind of just 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.560 put in my brain on almost like a placebo effect. 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.120 I was like, this is going to make me amazing, 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.870 but how amazing that your husband sorted that out for 0:31:49.870 --> 0:31:52.310 you because he saw the need. Like, that's that's a 0:31:52.350 --> 0:31:56.390 great move, pal. Yeah, he just won brownie points. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, 0:31:56.390 --> 0:31:59.070 but I think that if I do have more babies 0:31:59.070 --> 0:32:02.790 in the future, it's definitely because I've done it twice. 0:32:02.830 --> 0:32:05.150 It's something I would continue doing. Yeah. I guess if 0:32:05.190 --> 0:32:07.510 you ever did have any more babies, you'd maybe consider 0:32:07.550 --> 0:32:10.150 doing it. Yeah, but I mean, that's a whole nother 0:32:10.150 --> 0:32:13.070 podcast episode if I can even have babies. Well, I 0:32:13.070 --> 0:32:16.590 can't have babies. But yeah, if you could talk about 0:32:16.590 --> 0:32:19.630 that in another episode because, whoa, that's like a week 0:32:19.630 --> 0:32:23.150 worth of content that is about my future fertility. Yeah, yeah. 0:32:23.590 --> 0:32:28.870 Or lack thereof. Who knows? Thanks for listening to vanish. 0:32:28.870 --> 0:32:31.830 That was an awesome episode. Thanks to Anna for coming in. 0:32:31.830 --> 0:32:33.469 We'll see you next time. See you next time. Bye 0:32:33.470 --> 0:32:33.950 for now. 0:32:35.470 --> 0:32:42.670 Only do what we wanna know. Same ish.