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S3: Welcome to the Kick Pod, a.

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S5: Hello, hello.

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S2: Today team is a very, very good episode. You are

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S2: ready to buckle in for this episode. Today we have

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S2: got on the wonderful Janie Martino. Now, you might have

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S2: navigating difficult conversations, not making assumptions and not taking things personally.

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S2: So outside of being a very regular podcast guest, Janie

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S2: actually does a lot of things she does. This is

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S2: So for anyone that has listened to episodes with Janie

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S2: These books are a really, really good way to do that.

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S2: The first one is called The Little Book of Keshiki.

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S2: I think that's how you say it, which is rituals.

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S3: And they're so good. And I saw that you and

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S6: Hi, Janie. Hi. How are you? Very good. It's so

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S2: And today we have you on to speak all things career.

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S3: Oh yeah. For sure. I think that's a very good point.

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S6: lot of them, um, clump together, they group together. And

442
00:23:14,109 --> 00:23:18,150
S6: so you start to get a thematic, um, and between

443
00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:23,230
S6: some of those memories of, you know, feeling really good

444
00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:29,190
S6: in yourself, um, and feeling really proud and digging into why, uh,

445
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:31,990
S6: also identifying, you know, words that really jump off a

446
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:36,430
S6: page to you as key drivers. Um, and your why,

447
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:39,000
S6: that's sort of I describe values as that's your why?

448
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,160
S6: That's your reason. You know of what lights you up.

449
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,560
S6: So yeah. And then it's narrowing them down to I

450
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,040
S6: like to try and get to between, well four and five,

451
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,080
S6: four and five sort of key values because otherwise I

452
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,520
S6: think and they just then can act as such an anchor. Um,

453
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,640
S6: you know, if one of my key values, for instance,

454
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,240
S6: is family, um, then do I want to say yes

455
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,360
S6: to that job which is going to cause me to

456
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,280
S6: travel and be away from the family two out of

457
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,680
S6: four weeks a month? You know, it really does help

458
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,960
S6: with decision making. Uh, and it does help sometimes, certainly

459
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,919
S6: for me to also realise why I'm not feeling great

460
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,879
S6: in a certain work environment.

461
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280
S3: Yeah. I'm not. I'm nodding really strong because I think

462
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,080
S3: going through the values exercise with you earlier in the

463
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,080
S3: year certainly made me so much more aware of that

464
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,010
S3: sort of stuff, and it and it has made making

465
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:42,210
S3: decisions easier in a sense, because it's like I'm just

466
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,530
S3: trying to lean more into to me and like what

467
00:24:44,530 --> 00:24:46,290
S3: I think is true to me. And when working through

468
00:24:46,290 --> 00:24:48,649
S3: my values is one way of doing that. Um, but

469
00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:52,010
S3: I think, like even with someone when we're thinking of,

470
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:54,210
S3: I think what you said before about your work doesn't

471
00:24:54,210 --> 00:24:57,250
S3: necessarily have to be the thing that brings you all

472
00:24:57,250 --> 00:24:59,450
S3: the joy in every parts of your job, just like

473
00:24:59,450 --> 00:25:03,410
S3: it doesn't have to meet every value that you have. Um,

474
00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:05,530
S3: what would you say? Like is the red flag, though,

475
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:07,850
S3: if none of your values are aligned with the work

476
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:08,450
S3: that you do?

477
00:25:08,890 --> 00:25:09,570
S6: I think so.

478
00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:10,210
S3: Yeah.

479
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:14,090
S6: I, I think, yeah, I mean, my, one of my

480
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:18,930
S6: values is courage, for instance. And so I spent some

481
00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:23,010
S6: time at a big four bank when I sold a

482
00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:27,370
S6: company there, and I wasn't able to exert as much

483
00:25:27,369 --> 00:25:31,970
S6: courage and bring things into the world quick and fast.

484
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:35,129
S6: And and I totally respect that. And that was a

485
00:25:35,130 --> 00:25:39,690
S6: brilliant environment to create other things, but for me, that's

486
00:25:40,090 --> 00:25:43,730
S6: probably one of my most important values. And so it's

487
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:48,810
S6: also why it's important to have a small list and

488
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:52,730
S6: and know the ones that are really deal breakers. I guess, again,

489
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:56,050
S6: like a relationship. Like, what are your deal breakers? Uh,

490
00:25:56,050 --> 00:25:59,050
S6: and I think that's really good to identify because then

491
00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:03,090
S6: you'll also, uh, have more courage, I guess, to make

492
00:26:03,530 --> 00:26:05,930
S6: hard decisions because sometimes it is really hard if it's

493
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:09,330
S6: a great job and it pays really well, but it

494
00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:13,810
S6: actually doesn't tick any thing on your values list, even

495
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:16,650
S6: it might tick all your strengths or some of your strengths,

496
00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:20,050
S6: but none of your values. Then it might be why

497
00:26:20,050 --> 00:26:22,650
S6: you're not enjoying it as much as you potentially could

498
00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:27,250
S6: if you went to another workplace that was really values aligned.

499
00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:31,010
S4: One. Two three.

500
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:35,210
S2: What about patience? I think that's also something that kind

501
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:37,540
S2: of can can come into this because a lot of

502
00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:39,900
S2: people I know, maybe it is because when you have

503
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,220
S2: a goal for a role that you want to work towards,

504
00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:44,619
S2: or maybe as an example, you used to work in PR,

505
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:47,260
S2: that was your first business that you had. And when

506
00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:49,939
S2: you come into a PR agency, it's very unlikely you

507
00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:53,340
S2: will be emailing, you know, the Herald Sun, the age

508
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:55,540
S2: that the press contacts the day you walk in, because

509
00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:58,220
S2: that's something I would say. You probably learn. You learn

510
00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:00,700
S2: over time, right? There's other jobs that you do first.

511
00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:05,219
S2: How important is patience? Because I think it can be.

512
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,500
S2: And I totally understand why. Why for a lot of people,

513
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:09,740
S2: especially if they're really driven, they want to just keep

514
00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:11,659
S2: going and going and going and building because they've got

515
00:27:11,660 --> 00:27:13,700
S2: this goal of where they want to get to. And

516
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:17,740
S2: sometimes it does take like if PR is your passion,

517
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,540
S2: it does take for you to get to that more

518
00:27:19,540 --> 00:27:21,940
S2: senior role, to be able to have a role that's 100%

519
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:25,100
S2: PR or whatever that might be. So that could could

520
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,380
S2: be quite jarring for people if they're kind of thinking about, well,

521
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:29,580
S2: I'm doing all this other work that doesn't feel good,

522
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:32,139
S2: even though I'm on the path to, you know, what

523
00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:36,990
S2: I want to do. How important is patience and how

524
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:39,870
S2: how do you kind of recommend people? And maybe it's

525
00:27:39,869 --> 00:27:42,470
S2: maybe more common for entry level jobs, but also it's

526
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:44,830
S2: for people that might change career paths or whatever it

527
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:48,830
S2: might be. How important is patience and how how should

528
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:51,310
S2: we be thinking about it? Because we live in a

529
00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:53,590
S2: world like we think of Uber Eats. Like we can

530
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:58,950
S2: get everything straight away this instant, like Instagram, instant validation.

531
00:27:58,950 --> 00:28:02,990
S2: And at work. That's not always, um, or really very

532
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:03,870
S2: rarely the case.

533
00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:08,470
S6: Yeah, I think so. My mum, when I was going

534
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:13,149
S6: through school, my mum worked at a university library, and

535
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:17,870
S6: the one observation she made throughout her career there, which

536
00:28:17,869 --> 00:28:24,310
S6: was quite lengthy, was the change in the students willingness

537
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:30,150
S6: to wait for a book. Interesting. And she literally saw

538
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:33,869
S6: that happen before her own eyes, going from cohorts of

539
00:28:33,869 --> 00:28:38,030
S6: students that were happy to wait days, weeks for a

540
00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:42,830
S6: textbook and a book to ones that absolutely. Why isn't

541
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:47,270
S6: it available now? And if not now, tomorrow. And yeah,

542
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:52,070
S6: so it's I think it's so real, the fact that

543
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:55,070
S6: we are we just technology and we're so used to

544
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:58,990
S6: getting every single thing we want now that we're almost

545
00:28:58,990 --> 00:29:03,430
S6: once we get things, we're not even as excited. And

546
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:07,510
S6: I think that's one thing that is so important is,

547
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:12,270
S6: is the process and the journey and working out actually

548
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:16,270
S6: how we can not only value it and and learn patience,

549
00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:19,550
S6: which I do think is I love ambition like I,

550
00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:23,790
S6: and I really relate to impatient people. I think it's great.

551
00:29:23,790 --> 00:29:28,630
S6: It's that hunger, it's that hustle. But similarly, if we

552
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:32,360
S6: don't enjoy the process and also respect some of Some

553
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,920
S6: of the learnings and things that patients will grant us.

554
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,040
S6: We won't be as good at what we do anyway. Um,

555
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,760
S6: and that's not to say, you know, because there's also that,

556
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,720
S6: you know, you have to work your way up. Not necessarily. Like,

557
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,560
S6: I think there's absolutely opportunity for people to jump the

558
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,800
S6: queue if they have talent and they work really hard.

559
00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:00,440
S6: And but part of that is also by doing the work,

560
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,840
S6: you're not going to get there without that. Um, and,

561
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,120
S6: and doing the work is learning. And learning is what

562
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,960
S6: makes us really, really good at what we do. Um,

563
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360
S6: and you've seen it. Everyone's seen that play out. The

564
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,480
S6: difference when you're sitting around a table or interacting with

565
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,280
S6: people at work, people that really know their stuff and

566
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,080
S6: that have been patient and have really taken in every

567
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,130
S6: opportunity and throughout their process of progression Depression and those

568
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:35,930
S6: that you know that haven't. And it's you know, there's

569
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:38,890
S6: a far more think about the long game is what

570
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:41,930
S6: I would say, um, is sort of, you know, to

571
00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:44,410
S6: relate it, I guess, to a marathon, you know, the

572
00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:50,330
S6: people that put in the boring, probably more grueling parts

573
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:53,090
S6: of the training, which is just, you know, rather you

574
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:56,450
S6: just of course, everyone wants to get to the day. Yeah,

575
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:59,130
S6: but what are you like? And do you even cross

576
00:30:59,130 --> 00:31:04,090
S6: the finish line if that's how you tackle a marathon

577
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:07,570
S6: and it's, you know, it's the same philosophy.

578
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:12,010
S2: It's. Yeah, that's such good advice. Now people might be

579
00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:14,410
S2: sitting and thinking about how they feel in their jobs

580
00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:16,930
S2: and maybe they're like, oh, I don't feel so good.

581
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:20,050
S2: But I think with the current kind of cost of

582
00:31:20,050 --> 00:31:22,450
S2: living crisis we're in and the job market, and then

583
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:26,330
S2: also like for people that have, you know, kids, mortgage, etc.,

584
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:30,490
S2: it can be quite scary to think about changing Careers

585
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:34,530
S2: or not careers or even just roles. How do you

586
00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:37,010
S2: recommend people kind of navigate that?

587
00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:41,330
S6: Um, so there's a couple of things. One is I

588
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:46,410
S6: would love people to think about the philosophy of ikigai,

589
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:50,250
S6: which is I love my Japanese philosophies, as we know,

590
00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:56,650
S6: but ikigai is all about purpose. And it's a way

591
00:31:56,650 --> 00:32:01,330
S6: to actually map your purpose. Um, and to do that,

592
00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:05,489
S6: you do a list of what you're good at. You

593
00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:07,570
S6: do a list of what you can get paid for.

594
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:10,890
S6: You do a list of what you love to do,

595
00:32:11,490 --> 00:32:13,209
S6: and then you do a list of what the world

596
00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:17,170
S6: needs because it's all around purpose. Now there should be

597
00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:20,410
S6: a few dot points, at least in each. And I

598
00:32:20,410 --> 00:32:23,209
S6: think what people expect is that all of those things,

599
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:25,209
S6: you know, you should put them in a Venn diagram

600
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:27,810
S6: and then all of those things just cross over and

601
00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:31,940
S6: you have your dream job. Amazing job. Life doesn't work

602
00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:35,100
S6: like that. Just like we said around partners, you know? Now,

603
00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,460
S6: if I use my career as an example, I have

604
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:44,620
S6: had smiling mind. Perfect example. I'm passionate about it. I

605
00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:47,940
S6: love the work that we do. I can use things

606
00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:53,460
S6: I'm good at. Never paid me a cent. Now, that

607
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:57,180
S6: doesn't mean that every everything I've done in my career

608
00:32:57,180 --> 00:33:01,060
S6: isn't really valid, including that. It just means that I

609
00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:05,260
S6: can't necessarily get everything out of the one thing. So

610
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:06,780
S6: if you're in a job and you're not in a

611
00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:12,380
S6: position to move, there are other parts of your ikigai

612
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:19,060
S6: that you can embrace. Take charge of and enjoy. You know,

613
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,459
S6: while you work out either what else you want to

614
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:25,380
S6: do or while you work through what's going on for

615
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,750
S6: you in your personal life and in your financial life.

616
00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:33,110
S6: So that's that's one thing. The other thing I would say,

617
00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:37,150
S6: and this is more of a prod, which I love

618
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:40,470
S6: giving people, um, just to put a little question mark

619
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:46,870
S6: in their mind is what part of I can't because um, or. Yes,

620
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:51,870
S6: but is to do with construct and constructs that you

621
00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:56,590
S6: have created for yourself and potentially your family. But I

622
00:33:56,590 --> 00:34:00,350
S6: think then be real with yourself. So that's the one

623
00:34:00,350 --> 00:34:03,310
S6: thing I would say. We there's a lot of stories

624
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:06,070
S6: that we tell ourselves, and there's a lot of ways

625
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:10,910
S6: that we justify not necessarily being as happy or engaged

626
00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:13,750
S6: as we could be. And a lot of it is

627
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:18,230
S6: built on a construct that we've actually created for ourselves. Um,

628
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:20,790
S6: so it's just really that's the little prod New Year's

629
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:24,790
S6: prod that I give. Um, so ikigai gives us an

630
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:31,109
S6: opportunity to have breadth And engagement in other areas. If

631
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,670
S6: we want to, and really discover how to bring that

632
00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:35,950
S6: into our lives, if it's not already, particularly what the

633
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:38,629
S6: world needs. There's so much to do out there that

634
00:34:38,630 --> 00:34:41,790
S6: you don't get paid for, that you can use your strengths,

635
00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:44,950
S6: you know, um, if you want to. That can really

636
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:49,990
S6: light you up. So it's not all about, um, money

637
00:34:49,989 --> 00:34:54,029
S6: and climbing the ladder. Um, and also the last thing

638
00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:57,750
S6: I would say is I think it's also potentially not

639
00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:01,790
S6: focusing too much on what things look good.

640
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:05,670
S3: Um, like, externally, what other people might think on LinkedIn.

641
00:35:05,710 --> 00:35:08,910
S6: Yeah. I'd be great for my profile. I've done it.

642
00:35:09,070 --> 00:35:11,509
S6: I've done it. And they're always the things I've disliked

643
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:14,750
S6: the most. Yeah. By far. So a lot of people

644
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:17,470
S6: look at my LinkedIn and they're like, whoa, this is

645
00:35:17,469 --> 00:35:19,509
S6: I just I just own it. I'm like, it's the

646
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:23,270
S6: yellow brick road. Bless. Bless you. Thank you. Double bless.

647
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:25,350
S6: Thank you. So dainty.

648
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,200
S3: I know it was a tiny little squeak.

649
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,160
S6: I, um, and. Yeah, but I just own it. And

650
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,160
S6: I said, yeah, now I call it my yellow brick

651
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,759
S6: road of a career. Because I have followed my curiosity,

652
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,319
S6: I have followed my passion, and I've worried less about

653
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,520
S6: the fact that I might not have been at a

654
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,640
S6: place for as long or, yeah, that I haven't stayed

655
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,560
S6: in a particular industry or I've. Yeah, I've not let

656
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,440
S6: that rule. Yeah. And when people look at my LinkedIn

657
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,799
S6: they'll know what I mean. But I think you also.

658
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000
S2: Have the conviction in in why. Right. Because I think

659
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,920
S2: if I'm thinking if I'm interviewing someone and they've changed

660
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,040
S2: jobs like ten times in two years and I say why?

661
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,120
S2: And they're like, they don't have a like there's no

662
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,080
S2: conviction in it. That's when I'd be like, okay, well,

663
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680
S2: I don't know if you'll be the right person, but

664
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,520
S2: I think that's I think there's an assumption that if

665
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,720
S2: you have, you know, changed career paths like you have,

666
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,120
S2: that it's always bad when it's not at all like

667
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,239
S2: there's so much more context that that matters around it.

668
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:32,410
S6: I also think, uh, people underestimate how much the truth works. Yes. So,

669
00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:38,810
S6: like like I if someone said in an interview because

670
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:40,770
S6: a lot of people also say to me, I can't leave.

671
00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:43,370
S6: I haven't even been there a year. Yeah, right. Yes.

672
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:47,210
S6: And again, like, well, you can you're choosing to stay

673
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:50,130
S6: because you want to stay longer than a year. Completely fine.

674
00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:53,330
S6: But again that's a construct that says yeah, that looks

675
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:56,930
S6: better if I have, rather than sitting in front of

676
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:59,810
S6: a potential new employer and saying, do you know what

677
00:36:59,810 --> 00:37:02,330
S6: I actually, rather than being somewhere that I just knew

678
00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:04,930
S6: wasn't a values fit for me, I decided to get

679
00:37:04,930 --> 00:37:08,210
S6: really proactive and make the change straight away, because I

680
00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:11,890
S6: want to be in a workplace where I'm really contributing

681
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:17,089
S6: and really engaged. That's powerful. Potential manager is going to

682
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:18,410
S6: be unimpressed by that.

683
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:21,530
S2: One note there with the truth, because I felt this

684
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:23,370
S2: this has happened quite a few times when we've interviewed

685
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:26,009
S2: people is The truth is not good if you're going

686
00:37:26,050 --> 00:37:29,090
S2: to trash an ex-employee. I feel like if you're going to.

687
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:31,650
S2: But it's talking about what you just said. But I've

688
00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:33,250
S2: had I feel like just just a note. I feel

689
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:36,170
S2: like when that happens, I sit there like, I'll be next,

690
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,610
S2: you know, like you just I feel like it's not about.

691
00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:40,850
S2: And then, you know, that's that's making it personal. But

692
00:37:40,850 --> 00:37:42,850
S2: it's not personal. It's about what you just did, like

693
00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:46,010
S2: it was about you and how you felt in that organization.

694
00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:48,170
S2: That's right. You want values, land, work. And so I

695
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:49,450
S2: just want to call that out because I feel like

696
00:37:49,450 --> 00:37:51,570
S2: when people do that, sometimes they want to email them afterwards.

697
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:54,130
S2: I have before actually and said, like, hey, this is

698
00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:56,250
S2: maybe not the best thing to do in an interview.

699
00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:58,850
S6: Definitely. Well, maybe they need to read The Four Agreements

700
00:37:58,850 --> 00:38:00,810
S6: because then they'd be impeccable with their word.

701
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:01,730
S2: Exactly.

702
00:38:01,969 --> 00:38:04,489
S3: Hopefully they have, because it was in our special shares episode.

703
00:38:04,489 --> 00:38:06,530
S6: So exactly for the holidays. If not.

704
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:10,930
S2: Get it. Exactly. And I think the other thing, just

705
00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:13,089
S2: to be really clear and I'd love to circle back

706
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:15,090
S2: on and you touched on it before is just around

707
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:17,529
S2: not putting. And I mean, it's very much in the

708
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:20,850
S2: what I think what you were talking about before, not

709
00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:23,090
S2: putting it. I think Covid did this a little bit

710
00:38:23,090 --> 00:38:25,739
S2: when we started working from home, and there wasn't as

711
00:38:25,739 --> 00:38:28,860
S2: much of a divide between work and life. And yeah,

712
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:32,259
S2: the work started then, like during Covid, covering expenses for

713
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:34,620
S2: like at home stuff, because like, if you're working, like

714
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:38,219
S2: your desk or whatever. Yep. I think what that also

715
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:41,100
S2: meant was there became a bit more of a blurred

716
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:44,700
S2: line on the expectation on the workplace. And I think

717
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,100
S2: people expect more than ever from their work to and

718
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,299
S2: for their job to, like, solve everything in their life.

719
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,219
S2: You know, if they have bad mental health, it's like, oh,

720
00:38:52,219 --> 00:38:54,140
S2: it's because they don't. It's because of my job or

721
00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:56,140
S2: whatever it means. I think it's happening a little bit

722
00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:58,460
S2: more than than before. And obviously, what the danger is,

723
00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:01,140
S2: and it's like anything, if you put every expectation on

724
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,939
S2: any area in your life, if one thing goes wrong

725
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:06,299
S2: in that, like you will just be crushed. Like if

726
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,219
S2: your whole life is your relationship, like, that's super, super,

727
00:39:09,219 --> 00:39:11,620
S2: super dangerous if your whole life is your career, etc..

728
00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:13,180
S2: Do you mind talking to that a little bit more?

729
00:39:13,180 --> 00:39:15,859
S2: Because I just think it's really important because sometimes people think, oh,

730
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,580
S2: I'll change your job and my whole everything will be solved,

731
00:39:18,580 --> 00:39:20,460
S2: but it's not always the case, right?

732
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,950
S6: Yeah. Well, exactly. And that's why I think I said

733
00:39:23,989 --> 00:39:28,270
S6: at the top of the episode is the most, I think,

734
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:31,750
S6: important question to ask, if not the first one, is,

735
00:39:32,830 --> 00:39:37,989
S6: is this about work or is this about me? Yeah.

736
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:42,030
S6: And I actually love that question just outside of work. I,

737
00:39:42,070 --> 00:39:45,150
S6: I've really learned and I often challenge and talk to

738
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:50,109
S6: people about resistance. So resistance is a gift if you

739
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:52,910
S6: choose to use it that way. So things you're like, oh,

740
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:57,150
S6: I can't stand that person or oh, I didn't like that.

741
00:39:57,150 --> 00:40:00,350
S6: There will be something in there that is part of

742
00:40:00,350 --> 00:40:04,750
S6: you that you don't like. Yeah. Or if it's a

743
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:06,830
S6: book that someone says, oh, you really should read this

744
00:40:06,830 --> 00:40:08,830
S6: and you start reading, it's like, oh, this is crap.

745
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:14,110
S6: It will usually be because it's hit some kind of nerve.

746
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:16,870
S6: And that's exactly the same if if you're in a

747
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:20,910
S6: workplace and certain things are coming up for you there

748
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:24,830
S6: to be explored and not just explored. To blame the

749
00:40:24,830 --> 00:40:28,589
S6: external circumstances, although that that may be valid and that

750
00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:33,550
S6: that's okay, but also an opportunity to turn inward and say,

751
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:38,190
S6: how am I showing up? Yeah. How am I contributing

752
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:43,669
S6: to this feeling? And I think in life, not just

753
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:46,910
S6: in work, if you can do that and own your part,

754
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:54,110
S6: then life will be better. And then when everything isn't perfect,

755
00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:59,910
S6: which it never is, and when you're only enjoying, you know,

756
00:40:59,910 --> 00:41:03,950
S6: a smaller proportion of your work and you do need

757
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:07,509
S6: to continue there, then it is easier if you are

758
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:11,190
S6: still showing up and doing the work on yourself to

759
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:17,390
S6: make that optimal. I honestly believe that also you're just

760
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:20,589
S6: way more fun to be around. It's a pleasure to

761
00:41:20,590 --> 00:41:23,839
S6: be around people who own their part and you know

762
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,240
S6: that take responsibility for themselves and the role that they're playing. Um,

763
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,000
S6: it's it's very refreshing. And it, it shows other people

764
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000
S6: how to be as well. So yeah, I think it's

765
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,920
S6: that's a really great challenge to sort of take into

766
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,040
S6: a workplace. The other really good tip that I actually

767
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,759
S6: I'm going to credit her, but Debbie Lee, um, who

768
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,480
S6: is the careers counsellor where Henry goes to school, made

769
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,200
S6: a really good point talking about the 8020 rule. It

770
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,040
S6: was really around decision making and obviously, you know, year

771
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,839
S6: 12 making a decision. But I loved it more generally,

772
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,200
S6: which was you're never really going to be 100% on

773
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,640
S6: any decision you make or anything that you do like

774
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:17,280
S6: that is just unrealistic. But if you're 80%, it's bloody good. Yeah.

775
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,370
S6: And then see how the how the percentage changes over time.

776
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:25,450
S6: And I really I just love that. Yeah. The wisdom

777
00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:26,450
S6: of Debbie Lee.

778
00:42:26,489 --> 00:42:27,969
S2: I love that a lot of a lot of my

779
00:42:27,969 --> 00:42:31,170
S2: girlfriends use that for relationships as well. And I think

780
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:33,730
S2: you never like, when has anyone been 100% sure to

781
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:35,530
S2: break up with someone? I mean, unless they did something

782
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:39,689
S2: like very, very, very bad, of course. But if there's no, like,

783
00:42:39,690 --> 00:42:43,529
S2: wrongdoing and it's just not feeling right. That's right. The

784
00:42:43,530 --> 00:42:45,450
S2: amount of doubt you have in yourself, like, oh, what

785
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:47,290
S2: if I you know, what if it's the only person

786
00:42:47,290 --> 00:42:50,450
S2: I'm going to get? And that's a scarcity mindset of

787
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:52,049
S2: what if it's just a stage and a phase and

788
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:54,250
S2: blah blah, blah, etc. but I feel like that actually

789
00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:56,609
S2: applies so well to like a lot of decisions we

790
00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:58,930
S2: make in our lives outside of career too.

791
00:42:58,969 --> 00:43:03,090
S3: Yeah, I think even when something drastic does happen, like terrible, terrible,

792
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,290
S3: something that really happened, you could still be 99% because

793
00:43:05,290 --> 00:43:07,049
S3: that 1% is holding on to all the positive times

794
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:08,969
S3: you had with this person, and that maybe they'll learn

795
00:43:08,969 --> 00:43:11,290
S3: from their mistake and you can flip it. And I

796
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:13,050
S3: think it's even the same in like making a big,

797
00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:15,810
S3: big decision like having a kid or whatever. When I've

798
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:20,050
S3: said before, I 100% knew I was ready. I was

799
00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:22,330
S3: definitely in the 90s. Like, I knew it was something

800
00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:25,490
S3: that I like, definitely wanted, felt right at the time, etc.

801
00:43:25,489 --> 00:43:27,489
S3: but there wasn't. Of course, there was other considerations that

802
00:43:27,489 --> 00:43:30,370
S3: were going on in my mind, but it's so good

803
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:33,050
S3: and it's what you've spoken to a lot laws this year,

804
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:35,890
S3: and leaning into is like the decision you make is

805
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:39,050
S3: going to be the right one. And like not trying

806
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:42,810
S3: to pre-empt what that hindsight will be because hindsight only

807
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:46,290
S3: happens after the fact. Um, and just really leaning into

808
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:48,890
S3: that decision and being okay with the learnings that come

809
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:51,650
S3: from it, whether it's like you look back in hindsight

810
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:54,370
S3: and think, yeah, I'm so glad I did that, or okay,

811
00:43:54,370 --> 00:43:56,210
S3: I'm glad I did that, but now I'm in another pickle.

812
00:43:57,090 --> 00:44:01,410
S6: Yes. And just trusting that there's purpose in it as well.

813
00:44:01,489 --> 00:44:07,010
S6: There's purpose in every decision and even the so-called wrong ones.

814
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:10,330
S6: There's sort of there isn't any such thing because that

815
00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:14,290
S6: will place you somewhere else, which will lead to something else,

816
00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:17,529
S6: like your yellow brick road. And that's exactly, exactly. And

817
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:21,779
S6: I think it makes it a much more refreshing way

818
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:26,100
S6: to live as well. Like, there are no wrong decisions.

819
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,020
S6: There are decisions that you may think, oh, that wasn't ideal.

820
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:33,299
S6: What is the next best decision? So I can take

821
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,620
S6: a different direction? Um, and it's really, you know, I

822
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,700
S6: think it's. Yeah, it's a great way to live.

823
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:41,060
S2: And trusting yourself. Right. Instead of and this is something

824
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:42,899
S2: we've worked on with me in that if I'm like,

825
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:44,739
S2: if I make I used, I used to think if

826
00:44:44,739 --> 00:44:46,660
S2: I made a wrong decision that it would be like

827
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:49,380
S2: the end of the world, like literally that would Stuart

828
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,940
S2: Little no, not Stuart Little I got it wrong. Yeah

829
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,540
S2: Stuart little chicken little chicken little not Stuart Little he's the.

830
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:54,620
S6: He's the mouse.

831
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:58,660
S2: They're both cute. Chicken little that it's like it would

832
00:44:58,660 --> 00:45:00,740
S2: be a disaster and everything will be over. But that's

833
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:03,100
S2: like there's not many decisions we can make in our

834
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:05,899
S2: lives like especially within career where we can never go

835
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:08,420
S2: back or it's going to be the end of the world.

836
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:10,940
S2: And there was an episode, actually on The diary of

837
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:13,540
S2: a CEO, and I remember we spoke about it and

838
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:15,740
S2: Steven Bartlett. Actually, no, it was on Mel Robbins podcast,

839
00:45:15,739 --> 00:45:17,630
S2: and Steven was talking and he was he was talking

840
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:20,310
S2: about he used an example of someone in banking, and

841
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:22,230
S2: they've been in banking for like their whole career, 20

842
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:25,750
S2: or 30 years. And they weren't happy, but they wanted to.

843
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:28,230
S2: They were thinking about, oh, if I leave, like, well,

844
00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:30,190
S2: what if I can't get another job in a totally

845
00:45:30,190 --> 00:45:32,310
S2: different career? What if I do? Like, I don't make

846
00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:34,910
S2: money from that. What if it's a disaster? And his

847
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:37,670
S2: kind of response back to that is like, well, that

848
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:40,830
S2: risk seems so small compared to spending another ten years

849
00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:43,950
S2: in something that brings you no joy. And we so

850
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:47,149
S2: often don't think about that, but we just have to trust.

851
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:49,310
S2: And I think that's like what the biggest learning that

852
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:51,870
S2: I've had in, you know, having the pleasure of working

853
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:56,189
S2: with you this year is just trusting that things will

854
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:59,069
S2: be okay. And especially if you have a mindset like

855
00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:00,669
S2: I did where I was like, no, things won't be okay.

856
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:03,710
S2: I have to control everything. Otherwise it'll be a disaster. Like,

857
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:08,230
S2: I know we have some cloud things that also think like, yes, yes,

858
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:11,230
S2: there's many. It's just letting go and and trusting that

859
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:14,150
S2: like it's, you know, there is a, you know, a

860
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:15,870
S2: zero point. It's like with anxiety there's always that always

861
00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:19,310
S2: that 0.001% chance the worst thing will happen, but there's

862
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:21,870
S2: also 99.9% chance that it won't.

863
00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:25,790
S6: Exactly. And also sometimes things that happen to you. So

864
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:30,270
S6: it's also not, um, like career wise. It's not always

865
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:33,469
S6: your decision either. And I think that's important to touch on,

866
00:46:33,469 --> 00:46:38,989
S6: particularly when the economy, you know, is as it is. Uh, and,

867
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:42,430
S6: or you go for I remember the first job, um,

868
00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:45,230
S6: or one of the second job I went for, it

869
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:48,069
S6: was junior fashion editor at the age. Shout out to

870
00:46:48,110 --> 00:46:50,149
S6: Rachel Wells. We got down to the last two and

871
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:52,989
S6: she won. Um, I don't think I've ever been more

872
00:46:52,989 --> 00:46:57,270
S6: devastated about missing out on a job. Ever. I could

873
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:59,230
S6: not stop crying. I mean, I was a lot younger,

874
00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:04,270
S6: but also, I felt like everything I saw for myself

875
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:07,830
S6: was over. Now I look back on that now and

876
00:47:07,830 --> 00:47:10,069
S6: think that would have taken me in a direction that

877
00:47:10,070 --> 00:47:15,229
S6: I know would not have played to my all my strengths,

878
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,080
S6: particularly the the really big ones. Uh, and it wouldn't

879
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
S6: have been right for me at all. But at that

880
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,520
S6: moment I was devastated. Now that decision was made for me,

881
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,840
S6: and it took me a while to get over. But

882
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,120
S6: I can look back also in retrospect and see that

883
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,839
S6: was actually me being looked after and being taken in

884
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,759
S6: the direction I needed to go. So that might not

885
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,720
S6: happen in the moment, but I can guarantee as being

886
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,000
S6: a lot older than certainly both of you, and I'd

887
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,120
S6: say nearly all of the listeners that that will happen,

888
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,360
S6: that will happen all through your life, where a decision

889
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,480
S6: may have been made for you. And at the time, um,

890
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,480
S6: certainly in your career it felt devastating. But it will actually,

891
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,400
S6: in retrospect, have led to something else that I am

892
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,440
S6: sure will be bigger and better and more aligned.

893
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,000
S3: Yeah, that is so good. And I, I have to say,

894
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,080
S3: my mum listens to the podcast and she's definitely older

895
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,799
S3: than you, so I can already hear her in my

896
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,930
S3: text messages, being asked quickly if.

897
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:18,730
S2: By telling someone my mum's older than you, but she

898
00:48:18,730 --> 00:48:19,569
S2: said she said.

899
00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:21,529
S3: I'm sure I'm older than all of my all of

900
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:25,969
S3: the listeners. I know that our mothers will both be listening. Um,

901
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:28,290
S3: but speaking of age, because I think that's an important

902
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:30,210
S3: one to touch on, because it can be the excuse

903
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:32,890
S3: that a lot of people jump to before we finish up.

904
00:48:33,130 --> 00:48:35,210
S3: Is it ever too late to change your career or

905
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:35,730
S3: your job?

906
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:44,330
S6: Definitely not. Definitely not. Um, firstly, our brain literally is plastic. Like,

907
00:48:44,330 --> 00:48:47,290
S6: we we have neural pathways like we can if we

908
00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:53,090
S6: can reshape our brain, we can reshape our careers. Um, so, yeah,

909
00:48:53,130 --> 00:48:58,250
S6: I think it is all possible. It's just also what?

910
00:48:59,090 --> 00:49:01,969
S6: I guess there'll be potential pay offs if it's a

911
00:49:01,969 --> 00:49:06,250
S6: big pivot. Uh, I think, you know, that is a

912
00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:09,009
S6: decision to make, probably as a, as a family or

913
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:11,970
S6: as a, you know, if you're in a relationship, but

914
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:17,610
S6: I Absolutely. I mean, I've changed careers completely, doing the coaching,

915
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:20,729
S6: you know, and have moved into that work and, and

916
00:49:20,770 --> 00:49:23,250
S6: sort of away from more of that sort of straight

917
00:49:23,290 --> 00:49:27,290
S6: sort of business work. And that does feel like a leap.

918
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:31,450
S6: I'm doing a hypnotherapy degree. I just I feel that

919
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:37,210
S6: we put barriers in front of ourselves that don't need

920
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:40,170
S6: to be there. But like I said before, a lot

921
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:43,529
S6: of it is stories that we're telling ourselves about why

922
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:49,130
S6: we can't do something and there's always something that's underneath that.

923
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:53,370
S6: And usually it will be fear. Or it could also

924
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:57,410
S6: be about like, what will people think? Like, does that

925
00:49:57,410 --> 00:50:01,610
S6: seem weird or. Yeah, but what I would say is,

926
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:06,130
S6: and I've been cruel enough to one of my clients

927
00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:11,250
S6: recently to she's a fantastic writer. And so I've made

928
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:16,460
S6: her do her eulogy as part of her homework. And. Wow. Yeah.

929
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:23,740
S6: But the reason is that I think when you consider

930
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:29,980
S6: what you might like yours to say, what would the

931
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:31,060
S6: content be?

932
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:33,220
S2: Mhm. It's not going to be about your job.

933
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:39,859
S6: Exactly. And it might be about someone who's 80 and

934
00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:46,459
S6: went on an adventure when at 40 she realized she

935
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:50,340
S6: was a nurse and she actually wanted to train to

936
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:53,540
S6: be a pilot. Who knows. But how cool. I'd like

937
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:56,660
S6: to sit at that funeral and hear that story, you know?

938
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:01,819
S6: Because that was someone who really thought anything was possible.

939
00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:07,180
S6: So I think it's also really cool to, you know,

940
00:51:07,219 --> 00:51:10,820
S6: and that aligns with your values as well. Uh, and

941
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:14,430
S6: When I think about my career, it's the thing that

942
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:16,750
S6: I've never been paid for that I hope people speak

943
00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:22,589
S6: about at my funeral, um, which is smiling mind and well,

944
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:26,990
S6: obviously also hopefully that I'm a good human, but but,

945
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:30,830
S6: you know, career wise, I'm saying what I would want

946
00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:33,989
S6: to know is it was about that that had had

947
00:51:33,989 --> 00:51:38,589
S6: impact and helped people. And so all of the other

948
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:42,110
S6: things I am proud of and I've had fun doing,

949
00:51:42,590 --> 00:51:45,430
S6: but to me, yeah. So I think that's also a

950
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:47,910
S6: very cool exercise. If you're a bit on the fence

951
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:51,069
S6: or you're thinking, oh, but I can't because, you know,

952
00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:56,069
S6: think about it like just own what you want and

953
00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:59,270
S6: then write that out and be like, okay, now how

954
00:51:59,270 --> 00:52:02,109
S6: do I get there? And make sure it's, you know,

955
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:04,509
S6: make sure your kids put it in, make sure they

956
00:52:04,510 --> 00:52:07,070
S6: say it, make sure it happens.

957
00:52:07,110 --> 00:52:09,950
S2: Um, what a way to finish. Thank you so much

958
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:13,190
S2: for joining us. It's been incredible. I've got so many.

959
00:52:13,350 --> 00:52:14,910
S2: We've spent so much time together, but I've got so

960
00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:17,270
S2: much more out of today as well. So thank you

961
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:17,830
S2: so much.

962
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:20,710
S6: Pleasure. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

963
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:24,030
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