WEBVTT - Harry Garside failed in front of the world. And he’d do it again 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:06.890 Listener kick pod acknowledges the traditional owners and custodians of 0:00:06.890 --> 0:00:10.070 the land in which we're recording this podcast. The Yulico 0:00:10.100 --> 0:00:12.590 Woollen clan of the Bunurong, who are part of the 0:00:12.590 --> 0:00:16.040 Kulin nation. We pay our respects to our elders, past 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.280 and present, and extend our respect to Aboriginal and Torres 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:20.960 Strait Islander peoples today. 0:00:22.310 --> 0:00:23.900 Welcome to the Kick Pod. 0:00:23.930 --> 0:00:26.510 A dam with your besties on the stuff that matters. 0:00:26.540 --> 0:00:27.380 One. Two. Three. 0:00:27.380 --> 0:00:35.930 Four. One. Two. Three. Four. 0:00:36.890 --> 0:00:41.030 Hello, everyone. Hello. Hello. Wonderful cloud links. Hope you're having 0:00:41.030 --> 0:00:44.630 a wonderful day or night wherever, whenever you are listening 0:00:44.659 --> 0:00:48.020 to this episode. Now, this one is I mean, I 0:00:48.020 --> 0:00:50.570 know we love all of our guests and we say 0:00:50.570 --> 0:00:54.350 this a lot, but this one is very, very special. 0:00:54.380 --> 0:00:57.770 If you have listened to the pod in the past 0:00:57.770 --> 0:01:00.570 couple of months where you've mentioned Harry Garside a few 0:01:00.570 --> 0:01:04.050 times on a number of occasions, obviously, especially around the Olympics, 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:10.380 especially around his mindset. So he won gold at the 2000. 0:01:10.410 --> 0:01:12.090 Harry Garside I don't know if I even said his 0:01:12.090 --> 0:01:15.450 full name yet, so. Harry Garside Yeah, true. That is 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.580 that big of a deal. You can just say Harry. 0:01:17.610 --> 0:01:20.670 He's a boxer and he won gold at the 2018 0:01:20.670 --> 0:01:25.590 Commonwealth Games. He won bronze at the Tokyo Olympics in boxing, 0:01:25.620 --> 0:01:27.839 which was the first time in more than 30 years 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:33.000 that Australia had won a medal in the Olympics. In boxing, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.640 he's also just written a book, The Good Fight Boxing, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.750 Ballet and Breaking Stereotypes. Now we have had Harry on 0:01:39.750 --> 0:01:43.770 before where and we'll put that episode in the show notes. 0:01:43.770 --> 0:01:46.500 It's such a good episode, but we wanted to get 0:01:46.500 --> 0:01:51.029 him on after the Olympics and we spoke about everything. 0:01:51.030 --> 0:01:56.580 So Harry went to Paris and he had been saying 0:01:56.580 --> 0:01:58.050 he's going to be a gold medalist. Like that was 0:01:58.050 --> 0:02:00.300 his goal. He'd been working on that, Like literally, he 0:02:00.300 --> 0:02:02.670 says in the episode, his whole life to become a 0:02:02.700 --> 0:02:06.210 gold medalist at the Olympics, and he got knocked out 0:02:06.210 --> 0:02:09.750 in the first round. He then did a video the 0:02:09.750 --> 0:02:12.660 day after, around how he was kind of able to 0:02:12.690 --> 0:02:18.209 reframe the failure and how he navigated it, and we 0:02:18.210 --> 0:02:20.580 wanted to ask, like we asked Harry, some pretty hard 0:02:20.580 --> 0:02:23.549 questions in this when I was working with Tracy Grimshaw 0:02:23.550 --> 0:02:29.940 on him, but I Harry was very generous in answering 0:02:29.940 --> 0:02:31.500 them for us. I think what. 0:02:31.500 --> 0:02:34.410 It is, though, is that when you say reframe his failure, 0:02:34.410 --> 0:02:36.690 I think he's very clear that he did fail. Right. 0:02:36.690 --> 0:02:39.180 And I think that's what people are so have been 0:02:39.180 --> 0:02:42.780 so cautious around. I've watched them in interviews with him, 0:02:42.780 --> 0:02:44.460 is like, they don't want to make him feel like 0:02:44.460 --> 0:02:47.220 he's failed, but he's like, I have like in my 0:02:47.220 --> 0:02:50.430 mind for what I set out to do, I have failed. 0:02:50.430 --> 0:02:52.110 And he speaks to that in this podcast. And I 0:02:52.110 --> 0:02:55.470 found that really good and really refreshing because we do naturally, 0:02:55.500 --> 0:02:57.510 like we all have this like fear of failure. We 0:02:57.540 --> 0:02:59.930 like want to avoid it And then therefore, if someone 0:02:59.930 --> 0:03:01.550 we know or someone close to us has failed, you 0:03:01.550 --> 0:03:03.260 don't want to make them feel like they failed. Because. 0:03:03.290 --> 0:03:05.450 Because we all hate that feeling. So we try and 0:03:05.450 --> 0:03:07.310 fix the issue and like make them feel like they 0:03:07.310 --> 0:03:09.830 haven't actually failed. When he's like, no, I just need 0:03:09.830 --> 0:03:12.140 to sit in this and it's okay that I've failed 0:03:12.139 --> 0:03:13.640 and I love that. And I think he's just such 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.970 an incredible role model for so many people out there. 0:03:17.090 --> 0:03:20.810 And so I yeah, this this conversation was, was so good. Um, 0:03:20.810 --> 0:03:23.030 but we do want to put a trigger warning in 0:03:23.030 --> 0:03:27.260 before we get started. We briefly mentioned suicide and suicidal ideation. 0:03:27.260 --> 0:03:30.859 So if you or someone you know is struggling, lifeline 0:03:30.860 --> 0:03:35.180 is available 24 hours a day on 13, 11, 14. 0:03:36.740 --> 0:03:38.810 Harry. Welcome back. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.330 Harry. It sounded like you were going to Harry Potter then. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.270 Yeah, I don't I really did, and I don't know 0:03:44.270 --> 0:03:50.060 why I was giving my best. Hermione how did you feel? 0:03:50.300 --> 0:03:52.520 I loved it, I love Harry Potter, so I loved it. 0:03:54.050 --> 0:03:56.930 No, you are the one and only Harry Garside, who I, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.360 I mean with all due respect to Harry Potter, he's 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.250 not actually real anyway, so it doesn't matter. But I 0:04:01.250 --> 0:04:08.000 like you better anyway. It's not about comparisons. No it's. 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:08.450 Not. 0:04:09.770 --> 0:04:12.590 Let's get into it. We're so excited to have you. 0:04:12.590 --> 0:04:15.740 And also to be recording in person in Sydney. It's 0:04:15.740 --> 0:04:16.670 very exciting. 0:04:16.700 --> 0:04:19.190 Yeah. Grateful to be here. So nice to see you both. 0:04:19.339 --> 0:04:23.630 And first of all, congratulations on your book. So exciting. 0:04:23.630 --> 0:04:26.510 So wild. I never thought when I left school that 0:04:26.510 --> 0:04:28.640 I would be an author, which is pretty crazy. And 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.010 I was quite scared. There was a lot of resistance 0:04:31.010 --> 0:04:32.960 before I wrote it. And then I was like, oh, 0:04:32.990 --> 0:04:34.700 this process is going to be wild. I've always not 0:04:34.700 --> 0:04:36.890 really got around journaling. It's just not how I fully 0:04:36.890 --> 0:04:40.070 process things. And when I started the process, I just 0:04:40.070 --> 0:04:42.380 had this resistance. And then the whole process I actually 0:04:42.380 --> 0:04:44.270 really enjoyed. And as soon as I finished, I was like, 0:04:44.300 --> 0:04:47.570 to the publicist, this will not be my last. Um, 0:04:47.570 --> 0:04:50.060 so I love the process. I thought it was very therapeutic. 0:04:50.300 --> 0:04:53.510 Amazing. And your book is called The Good Fight Boxing, ballet, 0:04:53.510 --> 0:04:57.380 and Breaking Stereotypes. Writing a book is a very, very, 0:04:57.380 --> 0:05:01.460 very large project and incredible. So thank you guys. Amazing. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.799 Now we want to start if it's okay with the Olympics. 0:05:07.310 --> 0:05:08.750 How do you actually I was gonna say are you 0:05:08.779 --> 0:05:09.890 sick of talking about it? Yeah. 0:05:10.460 --> 0:05:13.370 Uh, I don't know. It's so weird. Like, you know 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.650 what the human experience is, like, some days you wake 0:05:15.650 --> 0:05:17.870 up and you're no dramas, and some days you wake 0:05:17.870 --> 0:05:19.730 up and you're not. And today feels like one of 0:05:19.730 --> 0:05:23.300 those days where I'm not, but like, I. And I was, like, walking. 0:05:23.300 --> 0:05:24.799 I was like, what is actually going on? I always, 0:05:24.950 --> 0:05:26.839 I probably asked myself like ten times a day, like, 0:05:26.870 --> 0:05:29.540 how are you actually feeling right now? And that will 0:05:29.540 --> 0:05:32.690 fleet and change throughout the day as well. But it's yeah, today. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.520 Today's a really interesting one, so I'm not sure. I 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.080 also know that I've been doing a book tour for 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.820 the last like two weeks. Has it been home? So 0:05:37.820 --> 0:05:41.210 it's just been like a lot of talking. Um, yeah, 0:05:41.210 --> 0:05:42.650 it's been like a lot of fun. I've met so 0:05:42.650 --> 0:05:44.359 many amazing people and I've had a lot of support 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.789 as well, which has been cool. But yeah, just, um, 0:05:46.790 --> 0:05:49.729 I'm pretty excited. I feel like in that the book 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.450 tour haven't really been honoring how I've been feeling. So 0:05:53.450 --> 0:05:55.310 I think in that it's just like my body's going, hey, 0:05:55.339 --> 0:05:57.820 take care of yourself, mate. So I'm like, once this 0:05:57.820 --> 0:05:59.710 is done, I'm probably gonna have a week in Sydney, 0:05:59.740 --> 0:06:01.990 which would be really nice with my homies now and 0:06:01.990 --> 0:06:03.910 then I'm just going to go to like up the coast, 0:06:03.940 --> 0:06:06.880 Lake Jindabyne or somewhere just by myself and just put 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.310 the phone away and let's see what comes up. I 0:06:09.310 --> 0:06:12.219 don't know, goodness, badness, whatever comes up, comes up. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.030 Do you feel like in coming back and having so 0:06:16.029 --> 0:06:19.300 much media after with your book tour, but generally after 0:06:19.300 --> 0:06:23.950 the Olympics as well? Have you been able to process 0:06:23.950 --> 0:06:26.979 how you feel or do you and is talk because 0:06:26.980 --> 0:06:29.349 obviously you've done it's really interesting with interviewing because you've 0:06:29.380 --> 0:06:33.250 you go deeper often in interviews than you do, like 0:06:33.250 --> 0:06:35.440 in a general conversation because, you know, you have an 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.289 hour and it's depending on it obviously depends on the interview, 0:06:38.290 --> 0:06:40.450 but a lot of them are quite deep. And you 0:06:40.450 --> 0:06:43.600 as a person, you give so much. Have you found 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.630 it easier to process things by just because you've had 0:06:46.630 --> 0:06:48.880 to talk, as you said, like one week since you've 0:06:48.910 --> 0:06:51.190 or two weeks since you've been back? Or do you 0:06:51.190 --> 0:06:54.549 feel like there's there's more in there that you need 0:06:54.550 --> 0:06:55.570 to find yourself? 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.029 Yeah, I feel like it's like, just like any situation 0:06:58.029 --> 0:07:00.130 there is good and bad. So I love to talk 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.890 and I love to sort of like, navigate how I'm 0:07:02.890 --> 0:07:05.650 feeling as it's happening, like as I'm sort of spitting 0:07:05.650 --> 0:07:07.690 out my words. I'm like sort of figuring out myself, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.610 like what actually is going on. That's sort of just 0:07:09.610 --> 0:07:12.490 how I've always operated. And I feel like the last 0:07:12.490 --> 0:07:14.470 two weeks has been like that, but then also as well, 0:07:14.470 --> 0:07:16.870 it's like when you're in the public or when you're 0:07:16.870 --> 0:07:18.760 doing something like this, even like, I'm not going to like, 0:07:18.790 --> 0:07:21.760 fully like break down or like, I don't know, like 0:07:21.790 --> 0:07:24.460 that's private, that's sacred for me. That's my space. Right? 0:07:24.490 --> 0:07:28.270 So it's like you aren't really honoring yourself completely, but 0:07:28.270 --> 0:07:31.150 then it's also like, I know it has been quite 0:07:31.150 --> 0:07:33.670 cathartic and therapeutic. It's been it's been nice. And I 0:07:33.670 --> 0:07:35.800 have felt a lot of love from a lot of people, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.290 which has been super nice, but also as well as 0:07:38.290 --> 0:07:41.110 I said, you can't really fully show like bare your 0:07:41.110 --> 0:07:43.090 chest to the world when you're doing stuff like that. 0:07:43.090 --> 0:07:44.770 So it's like, I'm quite happy for it to be done. 0:07:44.770 --> 0:07:46.990 And then I'm like by myself or around people that 0:07:46.990 --> 0:07:49.450 I really love, and I can really sort of bare 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.780 my chest a bit more. Um, so I'm excited for that. Yeah. 0:07:52.780 --> 0:07:55.720 So can I ask how how you are today, then? 0:07:55.990 --> 0:07:59.650 Yeah, I don't know. Like, I couldn't really articulate. It's only. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.380 What's the time? It's like ten, ten, 20. So it's 0:08:02.410 --> 0:08:04.630 it's still early in the day. I got up this 0:08:04.630 --> 0:08:07.840 morning and I trained, which I always feel better after training. Um, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.270 and then I was just rushing. I hate rushing, I 0:08:10.270 --> 0:08:13.210 pride myself on being on time. And I always catering like, 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.310 extra time. Like, I woke up 15 minutes early to 0:08:15.340 --> 0:08:18.790 a doctor's appointment. Like, it's so frustrating. Um. And I. Yeah, 0:08:18.820 --> 0:08:20.980 I just feel. Yeah, I just feel a bit, a 0:08:20.980 --> 0:08:23.560 little bit off today, which is. Which is fine too. Like, I, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.780 I've learned to just accept myself and fall and not 0:08:25.780 --> 0:08:28.000 try and, like, live up to what I feel like 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.210 I need to. But yeah, just aware that I'm. And 0:08:31.210 --> 0:08:33.160 I'm like, I could probably give myself answers, but I'm like, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:34.810 maybe I don't even need to give myself answers on 0:08:34.809 --> 0:08:36.850 how I'm feeling, but I'm just like not feeling on today, 0:08:36.850 --> 0:08:38.590 which is fine too. Yeah. Yeah. 0:08:38.590 --> 0:08:40.660 I think that's so important to acknowledge. I think so 0:08:40.660 --> 0:08:43.210 often as well. Like we feel like when we show up, 0:08:43.300 --> 0:08:45.760 we have to show up at 100% every single day. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.430 And it's not. And especially I think it's even not 0:08:48.429 --> 0:08:51.100 more difficult. It's all relative. But when you are showing 0:08:51.100 --> 0:08:54.979 up on a microphone, when there's like thousands of people 0:08:55.010 --> 0:08:57.679 or tens of thousands of people listening, and you're not 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:02.540 feeling 100%. It's always that extra difficulty. Hey, it's sort. 0:09:02.540 --> 0:09:05.209 Of and as well, I feel like it. I have 0:09:05.210 --> 0:09:07.460 felt this when I first got into a little bit 0:09:07.460 --> 0:09:11.450 of public like recognition. I felt that sometimes like I 0:09:11.450 --> 0:09:13.790 would feel like that and then say, someone comes up 0:09:13.790 --> 0:09:16.460 to you on the street, it's like I give them everything, hey, 0:09:16.490 --> 0:09:18.949 how you going? Like I'm like. And then in that, 0:09:18.950 --> 0:09:21.020 you sort of not honoring exactly how you're feeling. So 0:09:21.020 --> 0:09:24.439 then you're like, you're beating yourself up internally, like. Like 0:09:24.470 --> 0:09:26.060 you were just so happy to that person. Then you 0:09:26.090 --> 0:09:27.860 sort of subtracting from how you really feeling, and then 0:09:27.860 --> 0:09:29.630 you're just getting lower and lower and lower, and then 0:09:29.630 --> 0:09:31.730 you're still putting on that like massive smile. It's like 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.209 a really interesting thing to navigate. Um, but as well, 0:09:35.210 --> 0:09:37.579 I feel like over the last 18 months I have 0:09:37.580 --> 0:09:40.370 got better at like actually going like, hey, I can, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.880 I could go on say the project or a TV 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.309 show now and actually go like, I'm not on today. 0:09:46.340 --> 0:09:47.870 I remember the first time I went on the project, 0:09:47.900 --> 0:09:50.240 like had one of the worst days I've had in 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.450 a long, long time, and I was sitting in my 0:09:53.460 --> 0:09:55.860 car before just going like, I don't want to do this. 0:09:55.890 --> 0:09:57.960 Like and then I was like, I went on and 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.600 I was just like, yeah, like, I'm so happy. Life's good. 0:10:01.770 --> 0:10:03.840 And I was just, like, beating myself up after it 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.150 as well. But I'm like, I have got the confidence 0:10:06.150 --> 0:10:08.280 now that I don't need to do that. Like, I 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.650 don't care if this all blows up in my face 0:10:10.650 --> 0:10:12.510 and I'm happy with myself and I'm happy with my 0:10:12.510 --> 0:10:16.170 life and I don't need it anymore. Yeah, I don't 0:10:16.170 --> 0:10:19.020 need people to know my name, I don't care. Like, 0:10:19.050 --> 0:10:21.360 I'm happy with where I'm at and I'm happy with 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.429 the position I'm in now. And I want to try 0:10:23.429 --> 0:10:24.750 and leave the world in a better place. And my 0:10:24.750 --> 0:10:26.520 heart's in the right place. But like, I couldn't care 0:10:26.550 --> 0:10:28.440 less if I didn't get another opportunity like that. 0:10:28.620 --> 0:10:29.010 Mhm. 0:10:29.250 --> 0:10:31.619 When you say that and then also even as you 0:10:31.650 --> 0:10:34.110 were saying earlier that you like checked in with yourself 0:10:34.110 --> 0:10:36.510 like every like ten times a day, you might ask 0:10:36.510 --> 0:10:39.900 yourself how you're feeling, all that stuff. You are incredibly self-aware, 0:10:39.929 --> 0:10:42.270 something that a lot of people aim to kind of 0:10:42.300 --> 0:10:44.880 get to that place where they can truly know what 0:10:45.270 --> 0:10:47.910 makes them tick and what necessarily doesn't, and how they're feeling, 0:10:47.910 --> 0:10:50.370 and all of that stuff. Have you always been like that, 0:10:50.370 --> 0:10:53.130 or has there been something that you've gone through that's 0:10:53.130 --> 0:10:56.280 made you really more self-aware and tune into yourself. I 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.980 know you said you don't journal, but you do poems 0:10:58.980 --> 0:11:01.290 and stuff like that. How long have you had things 0:11:01.290 --> 0:11:03.569 like that in your life that's made you just really 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:04.890 tune in with who you are? 0:11:05.250 --> 0:11:06.780 I feel like it's like a bit of a, um, 0:11:06.780 --> 0:11:09.480 like a snowball. Like it starts quite small. But then 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.640 the more it rolls, the bigger it gets. So, like, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.930 I have always been extremely curious and like, always like, um, 0:11:15.929 --> 0:11:18.210 compared to, I guess, the people in my life. And 0:11:18.210 --> 0:11:19.920 I had two brothers, so it was quite a masculine 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.130 environment or male environment, but like I felt a lot 0:11:23.130 --> 0:11:25.410 more curious to them. I felt like I would like 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.210 I know they would always pick on me for crying 0:11:27.210 --> 0:11:29.250 more often, or just being a bit more like softer. 0:11:29.250 --> 0:11:31.860 And if you believe in star signs, I am cancer. 0:11:31.860 --> 0:11:33.480 I don't know if I believe in them, but it's 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.030 like they I think they're a bit more emotional. Um, 0:11:36.030 --> 0:11:38.820 and yeah, so I've always been like that. And then 0:11:38.820 --> 0:11:40.800 I just think the older I've got and the more 0:11:40.830 --> 0:11:43.260 that I've just allowed my true self to like fully 0:11:43.260 --> 0:11:44.969 come out, it's like it's been a bit of a snowball, 0:11:44.970 --> 0:11:47.040 which just got bigger and bigger. And then it's like 0:11:47.100 --> 0:11:50.040 in my head I've probably overcomplicated it too much, like 0:11:50.070 --> 0:11:53.470 it's just like it was easier when life was, like, quiet. 0:11:53.500 --> 0:11:56.439 I was quite ignorant and not aware. Like it is 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.329 easier because you're not asking yourself the questions. You're just 0:11:58.330 --> 0:12:01.510 like you think something's going on. You're like, I feel 0:12:01.540 --> 0:12:03.550 like you don't even realize how you're feeling. Then you're 0:12:03.580 --> 0:12:05.650 sort of navigating through the world, just like on a, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.040 like a moderate, you know, where it's like, I'm super 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.179 aware to the point where it's over complicated. Yeah. At times. 0:12:13.870 --> 0:12:16.060 And do you mind if I ask you one question 0:12:16.059 --> 0:12:16.900 about the Olympics? 0:12:17.170 --> 0:12:18.880 Of course. I'm an open book. 0:12:18.910 --> 0:12:21.640 Thank you. And at any point, if you're just like, nah, 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.430 I'm done with this, you just tell us. Exactly. But 0:12:24.429 --> 0:12:28.630 we we actually, after watching your fight and then the 0:12:28.630 --> 0:12:31.210 interview that you did after the fight and then the 0:12:31.210 --> 0:12:33.430 video that you did the next day, we spoke at 0:12:33.429 --> 0:12:37.780 length about that on the podcast, because I think watching 0:12:37.780 --> 0:12:40.840 you obviously work, and I think one of the things 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.300 I think is the most incredible thing about you, I mean, 0:12:43.330 --> 0:12:45.610 there's a lot of them, but the affirmations that you 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.830 were doing leading up to the Olympics, is that what 0:12:47.830 --> 0:12:49.840 you classified? Is that the right language? 0:12:49.870 --> 0:12:51.800 I think so, yeah I've got an idea of what 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.390 I call it, but yeah, I know what you're talking about. Okay. 0:12:54.050 --> 0:12:56.090 So are you saying, like, I am an Olympian, I 0:12:56.090 --> 0:12:59.240 am a gold medal Olympian, etc.? And you were saying 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.420 that you weren't only doing that publicly, but sorry, privately 0:13:02.420 --> 0:13:04.580 you were. You were posting it on, on social media. 0:13:04.580 --> 0:13:07.699 And I think I thought that was incredible because the 0:13:07.700 --> 0:13:10.910 thing with and this is where I've and manifestation is 0:13:10.910 --> 0:13:13.580 something that I'm like just kind of leaning into now 0:13:13.580 --> 0:13:16.550 and understanding a little bit more, but it does for me. Still, 0:13:16.550 --> 0:13:19.580 it feels pretty uncomfortable because you have to say the 0:13:19.580 --> 0:13:22.640 thing that you're working towards, you have to like make 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.010 your your subconscious believe it. You've got to say that 0:13:25.010 --> 0:13:27.500 you've done it right. It's not like I am. I 0:13:27.500 --> 0:13:29.449 hope I do a good job at the Olympics. It's 0:13:29.450 --> 0:13:32.150 like I will do a good job, I do, I have, 0:13:32.179 --> 0:13:34.460 I have, yeah, I have done a good job at 0:13:34.460 --> 0:13:38.270 the Olympics. And I think to do that publicly with 0:13:38.300 --> 0:13:41.120 the knowing that you actually don't know what the outcome 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:46.339 is going to be, is so fucking courageous because you 0:13:46.340 --> 0:13:49.610 are telling the world what you want, which I think 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.700 it is very rare for anyone to do that like 0:13:52.730 --> 0:13:54.740 the things that I want. I honestly like I hardly 0:13:54.740 --> 0:13:56.270 ever say them out loud to my husband, like, let 0:13:56.270 --> 0:14:00.380 alone on in in a public forum, because then if 0:14:00.380 --> 0:14:02.960 I don't get them, no one will know and only 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.100 I will know that I have failed you. Then the 0:14:07.100 --> 0:14:09.530 fight didn't go your way. It's like, you know, sometimes 0:14:09.530 --> 0:14:13.580 in life that happens and it fucking sucks. You had 0:14:13.580 --> 0:14:16.700 your interview and you then came back the next day, 0:14:16.700 --> 0:14:18.859 and the video that you did, I thought was one 0:14:18.860 --> 0:14:20.930 of the most powerful pieces of content I've ever seen 0:14:20.930 --> 0:14:24.140 in my entire life, because you were able to completely 0:14:24.140 --> 0:14:28.970 reframe it, own how you felt, own how you were 0:14:28.970 --> 0:14:32.720 able to. It's it's a kind of re um, oh, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.240 how am I going to say this change your mindset around. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.140 It's not about the outcome, it's the journey and what 0:14:39.140 --> 0:14:41.930 you've got out of the journey. And the journey hasn't changed, 0:14:41.930 --> 0:14:45.020 even though the outcome wasn't what you desired. And I 0:14:45.020 --> 0:14:48.620 thought that was just so powerful. How the fuck did 0:14:48.620 --> 0:14:52.570 you do that overnight. Like just incredible. How did it 0:14:52.570 --> 0:14:54.820 feel knowing that you told everyone you were going to 0:14:54.820 --> 0:14:57.910 win the gold medal, and then it didn't go your way? 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.220 Yeah, I think when it comes to that question, it's like, 0:15:00.250 --> 0:15:04.540 that's why the post-match interview was so raw, because it 0:15:04.540 --> 0:15:07.000 was just like I told the world, it's like, I 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.190 know before the last Olympics, like I wasn't expected. I 0:15:09.190 --> 0:15:11.380 was probably like there was five boxers on the team. 0:15:11.410 --> 0:15:14.170 I was probably fourth or fifth expected to win a medal, right. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.450 So it was right down the bottom. And then I 0:15:16.450 --> 0:15:19.240 won a medal. Right. So then the three years post 0:15:19.270 --> 0:15:22.780 Tokyo into into Paris, it's like like I went on 0:15:22.780 --> 0:15:24.940 this massive journey of like. And then people started, like, 0:15:24.970 --> 0:15:27.310 actually believing in me, right? It's like, I feel like 0:15:27.340 --> 0:15:28.810 a lot of my life has just been like I've 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.140 believed in myself. And then people have kind of like, questioned, 0:15:32.170 --> 0:15:34.360 including my parents and people like that, like out of love. 0:15:34.390 --> 0:15:38.080 But they have questioned like my directions and things like that. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.360 And it's like I got people to go on the 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.760 journey with me because they're like, oh, he's past performances 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.400 have shown this like he's a sure thing, right? Almost 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.110 a sure thing. And that is embarrassing. Like that was 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.220 like baring your chest to the world and like believing 0:15:51.220 --> 0:15:54.580 it and then falling on your face like, um, but 0:15:54.580 --> 0:15:57.340 I will always do that. Um, probably until I have kids. 0:15:57.340 --> 0:16:02.170 But I'll always do that, like set big audacious goals. 0:16:02.170 --> 0:16:04.990 I don't know if I will tell them as publicly 0:16:04.990 --> 0:16:07.450 as much, but I'll always set big, audacious goals and 0:16:07.450 --> 0:16:10.300 tell people that I like, love and admire and, um, 0:16:10.300 --> 0:16:12.220 because they will hold you accountable, which I think is 0:16:12.220 --> 0:16:14.800 really important. But it's just like, like baring your chest 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.390 to the world. And that man in the arena, Theodore 0:16:16.390 --> 0:16:19.630 Roosevelt quote, like, man, I love that. Like, you always 0:16:19.630 --> 0:16:21.760 get bigger. And like when I set the goal at 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.650 the age of seven, when I when I saw Grant 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.920 Hackett win in 2004, it's like, I didn't think it's 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.450 like there was something in me that kind of believed 0:16:28.450 --> 0:16:30.070 I was capable. But it's like I also knew that 0:16:30.070 --> 0:16:31.540 I'm like, oh, I don't know. I'm just a boy 0:16:31.540 --> 0:16:33.850 from Lilydale. Like, am I actually capable? And just like 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.940 through the 20 year journey, I finally believed that I could, 0:16:36.970 --> 0:16:39.250 like I actually believed that I deserved to be there 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.600 where it's like, I didn't feel like that a lot 0:16:40.630 --> 0:16:43.360 in my life. So it's like setting big, audacious goals. 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.700 Regardless if they happen. It's like you always shed your 0:16:45.700 --> 0:16:48.250 skin and grow into a bigger version of yourself always. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.970 So I'm like, I'll always do that. But publicly some. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.500 I will and some I won't, I think. Yeah. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.400 And you have you've shared so much so publicly which. Again, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.450 so courageous, but also so great for people especially. I 0:17:01.450 --> 0:17:04.510 know a big thing for you is like helping young people, 0:17:04.540 --> 0:17:06.729 especially if they're wanting to get into boxing and everything 0:17:06.730 --> 0:17:09.670 like that. Know that that's a part of the journey. 0:17:09.670 --> 0:17:12.820 So it's amazing that you're showing up like that when 0:17:12.850 --> 0:17:15.070 because we caught up the other day and I saw 0:17:15.070 --> 0:17:17.709 your story when you got home and you had all 0:17:17.710 --> 0:17:19.419 the posters, kind of as we were talking about with 0:17:19.420 --> 0:17:22.780 the visualization of winning gold, you had all these posters 0:17:22.780 --> 0:17:25.030 in your room and you were talking on your stories 0:17:25.030 --> 0:17:27.879 about how it felt to like, be pulling that down 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.670 and like just seeing your room again since coming home. 0:17:30.670 --> 0:17:32.200 And you said to me the other day that your 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.930 housemate asked if you wanted him to take them down 0:17:34.930 --> 0:17:37.810 for you before you got home, but you felt like 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.200 you needed to do that. How did that feel going 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.090 back into your room and having to do that? And 0:17:43.090 --> 0:17:45.010 why did you choose to do it yourself instead of 0:17:45.010 --> 0:17:46.120 him doing it for you? 0:17:46.390 --> 0:17:49.220 I think you need to. Yeah, you really need to 0:17:49.220 --> 0:17:52.070 feel the emotion of failure. Like, I love that. Like, 0:17:52.070 --> 0:17:55.550 really feel it. Um, of course we can try and 0:17:55.580 --> 0:17:59.000 sort of disguise ourselves like, I'm. I'm an addict. It 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.010 runs in my family, and I've had it my whole life. 0:18:01.010 --> 0:18:03.320 And I guess addiction just stems from like, a place of, like, 0:18:03.350 --> 0:18:06.410 trying to distract yourself from uneasy feelings. Right? And I'm like, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:07.669 I don't want to do that anymore. I want to 0:18:07.670 --> 0:18:09.230 try and break. I want to be the circuit breaker, 0:18:09.230 --> 0:18:11.870 I want to. So it's like any opportunity I can to, like, 0:18:11.900 --> 0:18:15.679 feel the misery or feel the suffering in that moment. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.900 It's like, I want to feel it. And I wanted 0:18:17.900 --> 0:18:19.730 to walk into my room and just go like, hey, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.629 you didn't like you didn't succeed. Like you failed like 0:18:23.660 --> 0:18:26.210 and feel that. And people always go, oh, you didn't fail. 0:18:26.210 --> 0:18:27.590 I was like, no, no, no, I did. I'm a 0:18:27.590 --> 0:18:30.500 high performing athlete. Like like I did fail and I'm 0:18:30.500 --> 0:18:32.870 okay with that. My definition of a failure for, for 0:18:32.869 --> 0:18:34.639 for me is probably different to other people. And like 0:18:34.670 --> 0:18:36.139 I'm okay with that. I can look at myself in 0:18:36.140 --> 0:18:38.780 the mirror and be like, hey, you failed. Like, and 0:18:38.780 --> 0:18:41.450 that's fine. Like, it's so fine. Like to, like, get 0:18:41.450 --> 0:18:43.550 back up when you choose to. I need to sit 0:18:43.550 --> 0:18:45.680 in the mud for a bit, get back up and 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.689 set another goal and try your hardest to achieve that one. Yeah, 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:50.770 that's mine. And I just. 0:18:50.770 --> 0:18:53.590 Think for so many people and I'm sure you know this, 0:18:53.590 --> 0:18:56.230 but for so many people that were able to see 0:18:56.230 --> 0:18:59.890 you be so open with your goal and then fail, 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:04.120 not achieve the goal that you were hoping for. The 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.850 I think, theme and even in myself, like the amount 0:19:06.850 --> 0:19:10.810 of fear that got rid of in me because I 0:19:10.810 --> 0:19:13.000 was like, hang on, here's someone at like the peak 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.659 of their career going to one of the biggest like platforms, 0:19:16.750 --> 0:19:20.770 the Olympics stages in the whole world, right? And not 0:19:20.770 --> 0:19:25.030 getting the outcome. Maybe if I try something and fail it, 0:19:25.180 --> 0:19:27.790 it's not actually because I think so often we think like, 0:19:27.820 --> 0:19:30.490 what's the worst that can happen? And that like for you, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.190 I would say that's probably the thing that you didn't 0:19:33.190 --> 0:19:36.970 want to happen the most, right? And it happened. And 0:19:36.970 --> 0:19:39.520 you're obviously I know like when I say you're okay, 0:19:39.550 --> 0:19:42.220 like there's I don't say that lightly. I know there's 0:19:42.220 --> 0:19:46.060 so much that you will be working through, but you've 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.500 shown so many people that it is okay, that if 0:19:49.500 --> 0:19:51.690 you give it a go and you give it everything 0:19:51.690 --> 0:19:53.970 and everyone knows about it and it doesn't go your way, 0:19:53.970 --> 0:19:56.369 it is okay and you'll still get back up. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.710 I always think that's huge. It's massive. And I always 0:19:58.710 --> 0:20:02.010 think like like, yeah, like the society we live in 0:20:02.010 --> 0:20:04.350 like celebrates winners, which I think isn't a bad thing either. 0:20:04.350 --> 0:20:06.780 Like we all want to strive to be better, right. 0:20:06.780 --> 0:20:08.580 And it's like if we all just got okay with losing, 0:20:08.580 --> 0:20:11.280 then it's like, would it really be competition? Would we 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.100 really be taking risks if like, we didn't feel embarrassment 0:20:14.100 --> 0:20:16.619 or feel the suffering of failure? Like, I think it 0:20:16.619 --> 0:20:19.740 is important to feel that. But it's just like for me, 0:20:19.740 --> 0:20:21.630 the position that I've got to now, it's like I'll 0:20:21.630 --> 0:20:25.800 always set massive, big, audacious goals and it's like, it's like, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.690 even if I don't achieve them, though, it's like I'm 0:20:27.690 --> 0:20:30.060 going to try my hardest. And that's really important because 0:20:30.060 --> 0:20:33.600 I'm super competitive. But it's just like I will inevitably 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.260 get into a better version of myself by setting that goal, right. 0:20:37.290 --> 0:20:39.630 And that's way more important. It's like by getting and 0:20:39.630 --> 0:20:41.760 shedding my skin and growing bigger and bigger. And just like, 0:20:41.790 --> 0:20:44.340 eventually you're as big as the Jack and the Beanstalk. 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.719 Was that giant and that like, you mean I want 0:20:46.750 --> 0:20:49.540 to be like that? That's where I want to get to. And. Like, 0:20:49.570 --> 0:20:51.520 I think big goals make that. It's like if you 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.620 don't set a goal, it's just like you'll just stay 0:20:53.619 --> 0:20:56.379 where you are and that's fine. But like, that's your choice, right? 0:20:56.410 --> 0:20:58.359 And set a big goal and try and achieve it. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.850 And if you don't, that's fine. But you got bigger, 0:21:00.850 --> 0:21:03.640 you got better. And then maybe next time you will. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.700 And do you think then if you went back, would 0:21:06.700 --> 0:21:08.470 you still go to the Paris Olympics? 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.220 Oh, that's a good question. Uh, yeah. Yeah I would yeah, 0:21:12.220 --> 0:21:15.250 I would, I um yeah, I think I got something 0:21:15.250 --> 0:21:17.740 out of the 20 year journey that I don't know if. 0:21:17.770 --> 0:21:20.619 If I didn't go to Paris, I don't know if 0:21:20.619 --> 0:21:21.970 I would have got to that position where it's like 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.859 I sat down the day after and was like, hey, 0:21:23.890 --> 0:21:26.770 I'm actually, like, kind to myself now, you know, it was, 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:28.390 you know, it's weird. And I don't think I've said 0:21:28.390 --> 0:21:30.370 this publicly, but I've definitely told a few people close 0:21:30.369 --> 0:21:33.429 to me. It's like I made deals with myself. This 0:21:33.430 --> 0:21:35.919 is how intense I was. I made deals with myself 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.200 before the Commonwealth Games and before the last Olympics that 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:42.940 if I didn't get success, I'd kill myself. It's like, 0:21:42.970 --> 0:21:44.690 and I don't know if I actually would, but it's 0:21:44.690 --> 0:21:47.420 like that is the ultimatum that I that I made 0:21:47.420 --> 0:21:50.090 with myself. That's how much it meant to me. And 0:21:50.090 --> 0:21:52.640 it's like before this preparation, I was like, there's no 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.520 chance I'm setting that again. There is no chance I'm 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.010 way better than that. My life is way more important 0:21:58.010 --> 0:22:00.830 than that. And I like built this. A lot of 0:22:00.830 --> 0:22:03.649 people in sports psychology say like, be more positive to yourself. 0:22:03.650 --> 0:22:06.410 And it's like, I was more positive to myself and 0:22:06.410 --> 0:22:09.710 I wasn't as strict on myself, and it didn't mean 0:22:09.710 --> 0:22:13.070 as much to me as my life. Right? But then 0:22:13.070 --> 0:22:16.400 I didn't get success. But I in that it's like 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.709 I would I'm happy with the position I'm in, but 0:22:18.710 --> 0:22:20.390 it's like, I don't think I would have got there 0:22:20.390 --> 0:22:22.940 anyway if I didn't have all this, like, intensity of 0:22:22.970 --> 0:22:26.750 like a Olympic bronze medal and Commonwealth Games gold. So 0:22:26.750 --> 0:22:28.040 I feel like I had to go on that journey 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.140 to get to the position I'm in now. Mhm. 0:22:30.170 --> 0:22:33.260 Oh it's just incredible that and I'm so sorry that 0:22:33.260 --> 0:22:35.750 you had those thoughts in your head first of all. 0:22:35.750 --> 0:22:38.060 But I think in you building like being able to 0:22:38.090 --> 0:22:40.850 move away from that and rebuild that relationship with yourself, 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.310 like it's obviously the most important relationship that we have 0:22:43.310 --> 0:22:46.220 in our lives. And I think for everyone listening right now, 0:22:46.220 --> 0:22:48.109 if you want to try something and you're scared of 0:22:48.109 --> 0:22:52.190 failure like we have, like Harry in your story, you 0:22:52.220 --> 0:22:56.659 failed very, very, very publicly. And that I think we 0:22:56.690 --> 0:22:59.450 so often think, I can't try this because this the 0:22:59.450 --> 0:23:02.840 worst case scenario could happen. Now, maybe it wasn't the 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.240 worst case scenario would happen for you, but I'm sure 0:23:05.420 --> 0:23:07.700 that it was. Yeah, for sure it was the worst 0:23:07.700 --> 0:23:08.330 case scenario, right? 0:23:08.390 --> 0:23:10.580 That actually fight to someone who I was supposed like 0:23:10.609 --> 0:23:12.169 supposed to be quite comfortably. Yeah. 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.600 So that happened and you would do it again. And 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.660 I just think for everyone like let that absorb into 0:23:17.660 --> 0:23:21.680 you because you it's not it's obviously success is like 0:23:21.950 --> 0:23:23.780 it's important. Right. It's I'm not saying that it's not 0:23:23.780 --> 0:23:26.390 for you. Winning wasn't important. But what you got out 0:23:26.390 --> 0:23:29.330 of that journey and so many people do not try 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:31.879 things because they are like, I, I'm going to fail. 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:33.740 The worst case scenario could happen. I just think there's 0:23:33.740 --> 0:23:35.870 so much power in you sitting here saying the worst 0:23:35.869 --> 0:23:38.750 case scenario happened and you do it in a public 0:23:38.750 --> 0:23:41.810 forum and you would do it again, that's pretty incredible. 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.470 Yeah, and I always think, like, I woke up the 0:23:43.470 --> 0:23:45.660 next day, I was like, the world keeps spinning. Yeah, 0:23:45.690 --> 0:23:47.399 it's like the world stops for no one. It's like 0:23:47.430 --> 0:23:48.959 you can sit here and feel sorry for yourself and 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.959 be sad. Um, which is like, important, right? It is 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.420 important to, like. I don't feel sad. It's like, important to, like, 0:23:54.450 --> 0:23:57.359 actually go far out. That didn't go how I wanted, right? 0:23:57.390 --> 0:23:59.280 It's just like part of it. But I just had 0:23:59.310 --> 0:24:01.200 like that reflection. I think I say it in the video, 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.930 but I was like, uh, I was like eating a cookie. 0:24:03.930 --> 0:24:05.490 And I just, like, had all these, like, weird things, 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.350 like boxing me make weight. So I hadn't had any, like, 0:24:07.380 --> 0:24:08.730 bad food for a long time. I was just like 0:24:08.730 --> 0:24:10.920 eating this cookie. And I was just like, man, there's 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.470 people in the world that are starving. Like there's war 0:24:13.500 --> 0:24:15.990 going on. There's like genuine suffering. Right? And here I 0:24:15.990 --> 0:24:18.540 am complaining that I lost the match. Oh poor me. 0:24:18.690 --> 0:24:20.609 It's like, man, get over it. Yeah. And it was 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.400 like a nice little internal battle. Yes. Maybe I'm being 0:24:23.430 --> 0:24:25.410 too hard on myself, but it's also like I'm here 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.260 eating a cookie in the Olympic Village. Like I wanted 0:24:28.260 --> 0:24:30.150 a 20 year journey trying to search for this. I 0:24:30.150 --> 0:24:35.129 was a little kid who was, like, small, weak, incapable. 0:24:35.130 --> 0:24:38.100 And then I grew into a strong, capable, better version 0:24:38.100 --> 0:24:39.600 of myself throughout 20 years. 0:24:39.660 --> 0:24:44.980 It's amazing One, two, three. 0:24:45.730 --> 0:24:48.220 When we caught up the other day, something that you'd 0:24:48.220 --> 0:24:51.609 said was that when you think that you went through 0:24:51.609 --> 0:24:55.479 this like 6 or 7 years ago, you would have 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:59.139 dealt with it very differently. And I'd mentioned that we 0:24:59.140 --> 0:25:02.020 just on the pod, actually, we've had a conversation with Alexis, 0:25:02.020 --> 0:25:05.080 which is coming out soon, and it was all about purpose. 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.619 And one of the examples that she used in not 0:25:08.619 --> 0:25:11.800 attaching a goal that you have, like a big, gigantic 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:15.820 goal to your your purpose and your self-worth. Um, she 0:25:15.820 --> 0:25:18.670 used athletes as an example because, you know, you have 0:25:18.670 --> 0:25:20.709 this your eyes set on something and whether or not 0:25:20.710 --> 0:25:22.360 you succeed in it, like even if you did get 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.210 the gold medal, it's kind of like this. Like what 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.940 next and where to go from next? If it is 0:25:27.940 --> 0:25:31.390 your all and everything, you have so much going for 0:25:31.390 --> 0:25:34.180 you and so much that if anyone that follows you 0:25:34.180 --> 0:25:37.690 online would know that means a lot to you outside 0:25:37.690 --> 0:25:39.969 of boxing. And we were talking about this the other day, 0:25:39.970 --> 0:25:41.920 but I'd love to hear it from you. What do 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:43.899 you think? That that's part of the reason why maybe 0:25:43.900 --> 0:25:47.020 you're dealing with this failure better than you might have 0:25:47.020 --> 0:25:49.899 in the past. Because it's boxing means the world to you. 0:25:49.900 --> 0:25:52.150 But there is also still so much that you bring 0:25:52.180 --> 0:25:53.050 to the table. 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.170 Yeah, that's yeah, it's a really good point because I think, um, 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.510 for like most of my life, my whole identity was 0:25:58.510 --> 0:26:01.180 consumed with that of only being a boxer. So it's 0:26:01.180 --> 0:26:03.939 like when I won, I won. Yeah, that's me. Right. 0:26:03.940 --> 0:26:06.670 And then when I lost, I lost, um, and I 0:26:06.670 --> 0:26:10.090 can think of like, a memory. So 2020, just before 0:26:10.090 --> 0:26:12.699 Covid hit, I was in Melbourne. That's where I was based. 0:26:12.700 --> 0:26:16.450 And I failed to make the Tokyo Olympics twice overseas 0:26:16.450 --> 0:26:19.180 in Jordan. And I come back and it was like 0:26:19.180 --> 0:26:22.630 March 2020. So right into Covid, like right into lockdown 0:26:22.630 --> 0:26:26.320 and like that next six months were like the worst 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.990 six months of my life. I was like making decisions 0:26:28.990 --> 0:26:32.500 to like, really ram myself and hurt myself and was 0:26:32.500 --> 0:26:34.750 just in a terrible place. And to think about the 0:26:34.750 --> 0:26:38.080 decisions I'm making now compared to them. I think it 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.480 is because I have separated myself like I I'm happy 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.909 with myself and I. Of course, there's some days you 0:26:43.910 --> 0:26:44.840 wake up and you're like, you look in the mirror, 0:26:44.869 --> 0:26:46.760 you're like, oh, man, I don't like, like you. You 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.590 don't like who's looking back? But that's very rare. It's like, 0:26:48.590 --> 0:26:50.720 more often than not, I have a good relationship with myself, 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.900 and I like that. Um, but it's like to think 0:26:53.900 --> 0:26:57.470 about 2020, and now it's like, that's growth. And it's like, 0:26:57.500 --> 0:26:59.810 that's evidence right there that you're actually doing the work, 0:26:59.810 --> 0:27:01.040 which is nice. Yeah. 0:27:01.070 --> 0:27:03.139 Have you worked through what your purpose is? 0:27:03.859 --> 0:27:06.650 Oh yeah. Like you can have like a generic answer 0:27:06.650 --> 0:27:08.450 for this. I don't fully know. I think I'm quite 0:27:08.450 --> 0:27:12.889 obsessed with like self-growth and experience and, um, I think 0:27:12.890 --> 0:27:14.359 leaving the world in a better place than what I 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.310 found it, but I'm like, I don't fully know. Yeah, 0:27:16.340 --> 0:27:17.570 I'm not sure. Yeah. 0:27:18.170 --> 0:27:20.240 And that's okay as well. Like, that was something. I mean, 0:27:20.270 --> 0:27:22.280 even when we had Alexis on, I feel like in 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.490 real time I was working it out for myself. Um, 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.220 but I just think that there's so much in that, 0:27:28.220 --> 0:27:31.880 that that realization that you are a boxer, but it's 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.909 not your whole and that there is so much else 0:27:34.910 --> 0:27:37.369 that you do. You do genuinely. You're changing the world 0:27:37.369 --> 0:27:40.710 in what you share. Outside of boxing, as well. Um, 0:27:40.710 --> 0:27:43.230 and to really kind of own that and embrace that, 0:27:43.260 --> 0:27:44.520 I think is amazing. 0:27:44.550 --> 0:27:46.860 It's a really interesting thing because I find myself and 0:27:46.859 --> 0:27:48.899 I hate that I do it. It's very frustrating, but 0:27:48.900 --> 0:27:51.090 it's like you meet someone for the first time or 0:27:51.090 --> 0:27:53.430 you're like, what do you do for work? And I'm like, 0:27:53.430 --> 0:27:56.280 I don't like that. I very much attach their identity 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.919 to what they do. Like I and I'm trying to 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:00.209 get better at it, but it's just such a, like 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:01.290 a social thing, right? 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.600 You're conditioned to ask that question. Like after we ask 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:04.109 someone's name. 0:28:04.140 --> 0:28:05.910 Yeah. Yeah. It's a really interesting thing. And I'm trying 0:28:05.910 --> 0:28:07.920 to get better at like, but like what's a I, 0:28:07.950 --> 0:28:09.990 we can brainstorm it right now but like what's a question. 0:28:10.020 --> 0:28:12.990 Like what. Who are you. Yeah. Like what lights you up. 0:28:13.020 --> 0:28:14.880 I don't know, like what actually gives you, like, what 0:28:14.910 --> 0:28:16.740 gives you passion. It's like a bit weird if you 0:28:16.740 --> 0:28:18.450 ask someone that in the elevator, right? I don't know. 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:19.020 I don't know. But. 0:28:19.050 --> 0:28:20.909 And then I think for some people, like, some people's 0:28:20.910 --> 0:28:23.850 careers are tied closer to their identity than others. And like, 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.160 I think that's also. That's okay. 0:28:26.190 --> 0:28:26.880 Yeah. 0:28:27.060 --> 0:28:29.700 Because I think I sometimes put pressure on myself to like, 0:28:29.730 --> 0:28:31.890 never ask that question and then like, never say what 0:28:31.890 --> 0:28:33.990 I do. But I'm like, actually, no, my career, like, 0:28:34.020 --> 0:28:36.869 is so important to me. So if I'm going to 0:28:36.900 --> 0:28:38.640 put that as a part of my identity and part 0:28:38.670 --> 0:28:41.430 of not all of. Yeah. Like that's also okay. 0:28:41.790 --> 0:28:42.360 Totally. 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:43.080 Yeah. 0:28:43.530 --> 0:28:46.260 What are you. So have you worked through. Obviously. I 0:28:46.260 --> 0:28:49.440 know you're so fresh off the Olympics, and you're going 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:50.790 to have some time now, and you've just come back 0:28:50.790 --> 0:28:55.200 into this book with this press tour. Have you already 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.110 set your next goal, or are you giving yourself space 0:28:58.110 --> 0:29:00.510 and time to kind of work through that? 0:29:00.810 --> 0:29:03.780 Uh, yeah, definitely space and time. I yeah, I'm not 0:29:03.780 --> 0:29:06.600 too sure what it is. And I'm. Yeah, I'm just 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.730 aware that I'm like, I'm not tied to anyone. I 0:29:08.730 --> 0:29:12.030 think after my first Olympics Tokyo, like, I feel like 0:29:12.030 --> 0:29:14.460 my identity was still boxer. So it's like I walked 0:29:14.460 --> 0:29:17.040 into professional boxing. I was like, well, I'm going to like, 0:29:17.220 --> 0:29:19.830 this is me. But it's like, now it's like, I 0:29:19.830 --> 0:29:22.320 love to fight and I love boxing. It's the best. 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.170 But I'm like, I don't. I will never be a 0:29:25.170 --> 0:29:27.840 pawn in someone else's game. I'm always the master of 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.880 my fate and the king of my reality. So it's like, 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.280 I'm like, I don't need boxing. I do it because 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.340 I love it and I've never needed it. Yeah, yeah. 0:29:35.460 --> 0:29:37.950 I love that. And we wanted to ask you as 0:29:37.950 --> 0:29:40.780 well about We spoke about this last time, but you're 0:29:40.780 --> 0:29:44.650 still doing it, which is just incredible. The uncomfortable challenges 0:29:45.010 --> 0:29:48.580 and the one that you're doing at the moment is 0:29:48.580 --> 0:29:53.620 living below the line. Can you talk about that? And 0:29:53.620 --> 0:29:55.720 then maybe for people that we're going to put the 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.820 first episode we did with you in the show notes, 0:29:57.820 --> 0:29:59.770 but can you just give a little bit of info 0:29:59.770 --> 0:30:02.650 on why you started doing this? And also the fact 0:30:02.650 --> 0:30:04.780 that how long? How long have you been doing it 0:30:04.780 --> 0:30:05.260 for now? 0:30:05.290 --> 0:30:07.900 Yeah, this is the 68th month in a row. Wow. Yeah. 0:30:07.930 --> 0:30:08.980 Five and a half years. Yeah. 0:30:09.010 --> 0:30:09.940 So impressive. 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.850 Yeah. So it's been, um. So I originally started for 0:30:12.850 --> 0:30:15.520 an Olympic gold medal, um, just after the Commonwealth Games 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.670 in 2018. And, like, I just think, like, if you 0:30:18.670 --> 0:30:20.380 want to grow as an athlete, that's why I started. 0:30:20.410 --> 0:30:22.300 It's like, go to the places you feel most uncomfortable. 0:30:22.300 --> 0:30:25.030 So I started small, like the first few ones were 0:30:25.060 --> 0:30:27.820 like having a hard conversation with your family or like, 0:30:27.850 --> 0:30:30.670 telling someone something you've never told before, which is quite hard, right? 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.070 They're not small, but it's like, I guess the big 0:30:33.070 --> 0:30:34.840 shit because I've been doing for so long. It's like 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.570 that has got bigger, right? Yeah. Um, and some have 0:30:37.570 --> 0:30:39.620 been even still like deep in like my 50s. Some 0:30:39.620 --> 0:30:42.470 of them were quite easy, but like I have watched, 0:30:42.470 --> 0:30:44.990 I'm like a different person from which is inevitable. It's 0:30:44.990 --> 0:30:47.840 five years ago and I'm in my like formative years. Um, 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.180 but it's like crazy to think how much I have 0:30:50.180 --> 0:30:53.000 taken from this. And I remember waking up, it was 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.820 like I got back in Australia, and I'm thinking, I 0:30:55.820 --> 0:30:58.880 haven't decided on an uncomfortable challenge for this month. And 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.680 I'm thinking I started it for an Olympic gold medal. 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.660 I didn't get one. I'm like, oh, screw this. Like 0:31:02.690 --> 0:31:04.610 I was like, obviously quite negative. I was like, screw this. 0:31:04.610 --> 0:31:06.980 And I was like, no, this has been like the 0:31:06.980 --> 0:31:10.040 best thing. I've like really enjoyed it. It's been a 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.860 lot of fun. It's been very hard. But it's like 0:31:12.890 --> 0:31:14.510 each month I've got to think of an idea. It 0:31:14.510 --> 0:31:16.310 brings enjoyment to my life. I've got to like, be 0:31:16.310 --> 0:31:19.580 creative sometimes, like I've done like an improv class or 0:31:19.580 --> 0:31:21.739 I'm like, like, that's fun. Or I started ballet or like, 0:31:21.770 --> 0:31:24.320 had some hard conversations or run 100 KS on Bondi 0:31:24.350 --> 0:31:26.930 Beach on the sand, like some are hard, some are physical. 0:31:26.930 --> 0:31:29.690 But like each one I've learnt something from and this 0:31:29.690 --> 0:31:33.080 month is is a bloody hard one. Like cost of 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.170 living crisis is wild and to live under the poverty 0:31:36.170 --> 0:31:39.350 line on the website that I found, it's like $489 0:31:39.350 --> 0:31:41.840 a week for a single person. And then you go 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:45.080 to minus, like your rent bills. You mean it'll be 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.570 roughly like 200 bucks? You'd imagine, depending on where you're living, right? 0:31:47.570 --> 0:31:50.570 I'm sure for many people it's a lot more than $200. But. 0:31:50.570 --> 0:31:52.610 And then you've got to like, I was living off 0:31:52.610 --> 0:31:55.190 250 bucks a week, $35 a day, and I'm like 0:31:55.190 --> 0:31:57.440 five days in. And it has just been like each day. 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.830 It's so hard to be so conscious of that. Like 0:32:00.860 --> 0:32:04.370 $35 a week is wild, like $35 a day. So 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.260 it's wild. It's so wild. If you want to like, 0:32:06.290 --> 0:32:11.270 transport fuel, move around like buy food. Oh, it's just 0:32:11.300 --> 0:32:13.790 it's been it's wild, but a big eye opener that 0:32:13.790 --> 0:32:17.300 I take a lot of little things for granted. Mhm. 0:32:17.660 --> 0:32:19.820 Oh I think it's, I think it's amazing and I 0:32:19.820 --> 0:32:21.890 think it's incredible that you're doing it. And as you 0:32:21.890 --> 0:32:24.620 said an eye opener I'm sure for a lot of people, 0:32:24.620 --> 0:32:27.680 a lot of people and I think it's so, so important. Um, 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.750 but I think what you're doing with the challenge, as 0:32:29.750 --> 0:32:32.210 you said, I think this goes back to you appreciating 0:32:32.210 --> 0:32:34.460 the journey to get to the gold, like being able 0:32:34.460 --> 0:32:36.960 to come back and realize that there's been so much 0:32:36.990 --> 0:32:39.420 you've been getting out of the journey, regardless of the outcome, 0:32:39.420 --> 0:32:41.100 and that's why you're going to continue on with stuff 0:32:41.100 --> 0:32:45.570 like this is amazing in itself. Um, so we want 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.930 to we could talk to you for hours, but I 0:32:48.930 --> 0:32:51.600 think what we've touched on already, something that you do 0:32:51.630 --> 0:32:54.540 do and you do also share, which is also really beautiful, 0:32:54.540 --> 0:32:57.600 is write poems. And I think it's so sweet that 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.190 you share it because it is, I'm sure, something that 0:32:59.190 --> 0:33:02.190 you do for yourself. Um, but I'm sure when you 0:33:02.190 --> 0:33:03.750 do share it, there's plenty of people who slide in 0:33:03.750 --> 0:33:05.910 and be like, wow, this really spoke to me. So 0:33:05.910 --> 0:33:08.250 it's so beautiful. But we wanted to share one that 0:33:08.250 --> 0:33:11.040 you wrote called Inner Shine, if you don't mind, which 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:15.030 is in the chapter The Power of Positivity. Do you mind? 0:33:15.060 --> 0:33:15.900 Do you want to read it out? 0:33:15.900 --> 0:33:18.720 Actually? Yeah. You go me your reading is better than 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:19.020 my mind. 0:33:19.050 --> 0:33:23.010 No. Okay. But this is you. Okay. But okay, I'll 0:33:23.010 --> 0:33:27.570 do it. Okay. I won't stop until you were mine. Failure. 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.260 My friend, I thank you. I have unlocked my inner 0:33:31.260 --> 0:33:35.640 shine inside me. A gold mine. I can feel you 0:33:35.650 --> 0:33:39.610 touching my chest. I won't stop until you are mine. 0:33:40.030 --> 0:33:44.110 For years I thought I wasn't divine. Fuck that. I 0:33:44.110 --> 0:33:49.180 have unlocked my inner shine. 15 years on this uphill climb. 0:33:49.180 --> 0:33:52.930 No looking back now. I won't stop until you are mine. 0:33:53.230 --> 0:33:56.620 I will never be a sheep and stand in line. 0:33:56.770 --> 0:34:00.280 I know and understand too much. I have unlocked my 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:03.850 inner shine to all the role models in my life. 0:34:03.850 --> 0:34:08.590 Positive and negative. Thank you. I won't stop until it's mine. 0:34:08.620 --> 0:34:14.290 I have unlocked my inner shine. Can you tell us 0:34:14.290 --> 0:34:14.469 about it? 0:34:14.500 --> 0:34:16.510 That was a that was really. Yeah. That was uncomfortable 0:34:16.540 --> 0:34:20.890 to listen to that. Um, yeah, that was I that 0:34:20.890 --> 0:34:22.750 was one of my first poems. I was like, in 0:34:22.750 --> 0:34:24.910 the first six months of writing. Yeah. And it's like, 0:34:24.940 --> 0:34:27.370 I think that format I was playing around with formats. 0:34:27.370 --> 0:34:29.950 I don't really know the formats of poetry. And I 0:34:29.950 --> 0:34:32.440 think that's a sonnet maybe. I don't know, it's like 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:33.820 a quite a long one, but I was like, you 0:34:33.820 --> 0:34:36.490 have to follow a certain format. So so like classifies 0:34:36.489 --> 0:34:40.180 as that type of poem. And um, yeah, that one 0:34:40.420 --> 0:34:42.550 is really interesting. It's so interesting that I wrote that 0:34:42.550 --> 0:34:45.490 back in 2021. And to think about where I was, 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.740 it's like, I think there's something inside of you always 0:34:47.739 --> 0:34:50.020 wanting to come out right. It's like maybe when I 0:34:50.020 --> 0:34:51.640 wrote that I was having a really good day and 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.470 I'm like, yeah, this is like, this is part of 0:34:53.500 --> 0:34:55.090 this is me. And it's like, it feels like I'm 0:34:55.090 --> 0:34:57.340 that most of the time now, which is nice, uh, 0:34:57.340 --> 0:34:59.500 where it's like back then I think I would have 0:34:59.500 --> 0:35:01.630 that maybe one day a week where it's like now 0:35:01.630 --> 0:35:04.090 it's like five days a week, which is nice. Really nice, 0:35:04.090 --> 0:35:05.500 if not more. Yeah. 0:35:06.489 --> 0:35:08.470 Was that a written about a gold medal? 0:35:08.530 --> 0:35:10.180 Yeah, yeah. 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.640 Could you do you feel anything when you hear those 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:17.799 words that it's not actually about the medal? 0:35:18.670 --> 0:35:22.300 Um, yeah. I guess I can like the position I'm 0:35:22.300 --> 0:35:23.890 in now. Yeah, I can see that. But when I 0:35:23.890 --> 0:35:26.140 wrote that, it's like a very much like I'm like, 0:35:26.170 --> 0:35:28.629 I felt I needed that. Like, I think there's another 0:35:28.630 --> 0:35:30.910 poem in the book. It's about like, my whole identity 0:35:30.910 --> 0:35:33.009 was consumed with that of only being a boxer. Like 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.440 I Every like every win was just me. It was 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.270 my identity. It was me. Like, every time you go 0:35:38.270 --> 0:35:40.310 to somewhere, it's like they're talking about your boxing. It's 0:35:40.310 --> 0:35:42.860 just like, that's you. Um, where it's like, I don't 0:35:42.860 --> 0:35:44.840 feel like that anymore. Which is, I guess, a good 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:46.280 position to be in. Yeah. 0:35:46.580 --> 0:35:50.000 And could could it also be about the relationship with yourself? 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.370 Yeah. That's. I'm actually going to do it. It's so 0:35:52.370 --> 0:35:54.350 funny because I'm actually going to do I plan on it, 0:35:54.350 --> 0:35:56.480 a poetry book where it's like, I don't know, 100 0:35:56.510 --> 0:35:58.880 of my favorite poems. And then I don't know, because 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.340 the best thing about poetry is like, it is so subjective. 0:36:01.340 --> 0:36:03.380 Someone would read. Someone would read that and get a 0:36:03.380 --> 0:36:05.720 different meaning. It's like a what's a horoscope? It's like 0:36:05.750 --> 0:36:07.040 you read it and you get the meaning. You make 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.100 the meaning of it. And I, I actually wanted to 0:36:10.130 --> 0:36:11.510 state that at the side of the book that you 0:36:11.540 --> 0:36:13.310 create the meaning you want from it, but I also 0:36:13.340 --> 0:36:15.680 want to explain what I mean by it. Like this 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.450 is my meaning of it, but it's like I understand 0:36:17.450 --> 0:36:20.390 that people's meaning is different. Um, so yeah, that's my 0:36:20.390 --> 0:36:23.209 plan with my second book. Oh. That's amazing. 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.130 Yeah, I love that. 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.880 Yeah. And I just feel like, I mean, I saw you, like, 0:36:28.910 --> 0:36:32.029 in this conversation. Your body language has been the same throughout. Like, 0:36:32.060 --> 0:36:34.440 you've really like, leaned in on the table and you're 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.739 sitting comfortably. And as soon as Steph started reading, you 0:36:37.770 --> 0:36:39.990 looked over to the side and like, swung your chair around, 0:36:39.989 --> 0:36:42.660 which you haven't. So I could feel that you felt 0:36:42.660 --> 0:36:45.930 uncomfortable there, but it's just as I was listening to that, 0:36:45.930 --> 0:36:48.780 I was like, it's just so because I had assumed 0:36:48.780 --> 0:36:53.430 it was written about the medal. But you've actually done that, 0:36:53.430 --> 0:36:56.010 all of that, but with the relationship with yourself, you 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.410 made me cry. But it's just it's yeah, it's pretty. 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.000 It's it's so special. 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.670 You reckon it's like the longest relationship we ever have. 0:37:02.700 --> 0:37:04.200 And I think it's so hard in the world we 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:08.610 live in. Like, um, the world is seemingly. It seems 0:37:08.610 --> 0:37:11.400 like it's against us, but it's like it's up to us, 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.220 especially in Australia. Like a lot of us are so lucky, like, 0:37:14.250 --> 0:37:16.200 compared comparatively to the rest of the world. And it's 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.230 like if we want a better relationship for our kids 0:37:19.230 --> 0:37:21.419 in the future or our grandkids or the, you know, 0:37:21.450 --> 0:37:23.460 it's like it's up to us now to realise that 0:37:23.460 --> 0:37:25.020 in the society we live in, it's up to us 0:37:25.020 --> 0:37:27.750 and pull back and like, actually take back a little 0:37:27.780 --> 0:37:29.070 bit of control of our life. 0:37:29.100 --> 0:37:33.120 Mm, I love that. Thank you. Harry as always, it 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.339 has been a pleasure to have you on the podcast. 0:37:35.340 --> 0:37:36.780 Thank you for taking the time. 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