1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,890 S1: Listener kick pod acknowledges the traditional owners and custodians of 2 00:00:06,890 --> 00:00:10,070 S1: the land in which we're recording this podcast. The Yulico 3 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:12,590 S1: Woollen clan of the Bunurong, who are part of the 4 00:00:12,590 --> 00:00:16,040 S1: Kulin nation. We pay our respects to our elders, past 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,280 S1: and present, and extend our respect to Aboriginal and Torres 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,960 S1: Strait Islander peoples today. 7 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:23,900 S2: Welcome to the Kick Pod. 8 00:00:23,930 --> 00:00:26,510 S1: A dam with your besties on the stuff that matters. 9 00:00:26,540 --> 00:00:27,380 S3: One. Two. Three. 10 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:35,930 UU: Four. One. Two. Three. Four. 11 00:00:36,890 --> 00:00:41,030 S2: Hello, everyone. Hello. Hello. Wonderful cloud links. Hope you're having 12 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:44,630 S2: a wonderful day or night wherever, whenever you are listening 13 00:00:44,659 --> 00:00:48,020 S2: to this episode. Now, this one is I mean, I 14 00:00:48,020 --> 00:00:50,570 S2: know we love all of our guests and we say 15 00:00:50,570 --> 00:00:54,350 S2: this a lot, but this one is very, very special. 16 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:57,770 S2: If you have listened to the pod in the past 17 00:00:57,770 --> 00:01:00,570 S2: couple of months where you've mentioned Harry Garside a few 18 00:01:00,570 --> 00:01:04,050 S2: times on a number of occasions, obviously, especially around the Olympics, 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:10,380 S2: especially around his mindset. So he won gold at the 2000. 20 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:12,090 S2: Harry Garside I don't know if I even said his 21 00:01:12,090 --> 00:01:15,450 S2: full name yet, so. Harry Garside Yeah, true. That is 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,580 S2: that big of a deal. You can just say Harry. 23 00:01:17,610 --> 00:01:20,670 S2: He's a boxer and he won gold at the 2018 24 00:01:20,670 --> 00:01:25,590 S2: Commonwealth Games. He won bronze at the Tokyo Olympics in boxing, 25 00:01:25,620 --> 00:01:27,839 S2: which was the first time in more than 30 years 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,000 S2: that Australia had won a medal in the Olympics. In boxing, 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 S2: he's also just written a book, The Good Fight Boxing, 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,750 S2: Ballet and Breaking Stereotypes. Now we have had Harry on 29 00:01:39,750 --> 00:01:43,770 S2: before where and we'll put that episode in the show notes. 30 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:46,500 S2: It's such a good episode, but we wanted to get 31 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:51,029 S2: him on after the Olympics and we spoke about everything. 32 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:56,580 S2: So Harry went to Paris and he had been saying 33 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:58,050 S2: he's going to be a gold medalist. Like that was 34 00:01:58,050 --> 00:02:00,300 S2: his goal. He'd been working on that, Like literally, he 35 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,670 S2: says in the episode, his whole life to become a 36 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:06,210 S2: gold medalist at the Olympics, and he got knocked out 37 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:09,750 S2: in the first round. He then did a video the 38 00:02:09,750 --> 00:02:12,660 S2: day after, around how he was kind of able to 39 00:02:12,690 --> 00:02:18,209 S2: reframe the failure and how he navigated it, and we 40 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:20,580 S2: wanted to ask, like we asked Harry, some pretty hard 41 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:23,549 S2: questions in this when I was working with Tracy Grimshaw 42 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:29,940 S2: on him, but I Harry was very generous in answering 43 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:31,500 S2: them for us. I think what. 44 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:34,410 S1: It is, though, is that when you say reframe his failure, 45 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:36,690 S1: I think he's very clear that he did fail. Right. 46 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:39,180 S1: And I think that's what people are so have been 47 00:02:39,180 --> 00:02:42,780 S1: so cautious around. I've watched them in interviews with him, 48 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:44,460 S1: is like, they don't want to make him feel like 49 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:47,220 S1: he's failed, but he's like, I have like in my 50 00:02:47,220 --> 00:02:50,430 S1: mind for what I set out to do, I have failed. 51 00:02:50,430 --> 00:02:52,110 S1: And he speaks to that in this podcast. And I 52 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:55,470 S1: found that really good and really refreshing because we do naturally, 53 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:57,510 S1: like we all have this like fear of failure. We 54 00:02:57,540 --> 00:02:59,930 S1: like want to avoid it And then therefore, if someone 55 00:02:59,930 --> 00:03:01,550 S1: we know or someone close to us has failed, you 56 00:03:01,550 --> 00:03:03,260 S1: don't want to make them feel like they failed. Because. 57 00:03:03,290 --> 00:03:05,450 S1: Because we all hate that feeling. So we try and 58 00:03:05,450 --> 00:03:07,310 S1: fix the issue and like make them feel like they 59 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:09,830 S1: haven't actually failed. When he's like, no, I just need 60 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:12,140 S1: to sit in this and it's okay that I've failed 61 00:03:12,139 --> 00:03:13,640 S1: and I love that. And I think he's just such 62 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,970 S1: an incredible role model for so many people out there. 63 00:03:17,090 --> 00:03:20,810 S1: And so I yeah, this this conversation was, was so good. Um, 64 00:03:20,810 --> 00:03:23,030 S1: but we do want to put a trigger warning in 65 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:27,260 S1: before we get started. We briefly mentioned suicide and suicidal ideation. 66 00:03:27,260 --> 00:03:30,859 S1: So if you or someone you know is struggling, lifeline 67 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:35,180 S1: is available 24 hours a day on 13, 11, 14. 68 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:38,810 S2: Harry. Welcome back. 69 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,330 S1: Harry. It sounded like you were going to Harry Potter then. 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,270 S2: Yeah, I don't I really did, and I don't know 71 00:03:44,270 --> 00:03:50,060 S2: why I was giving my best. Hermione how did you feel? 72 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:52,520 S4: I loved it, I love Harry Potter, so I loved it. 73 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:56,930 S2: No, you are the one and only Harry Garside, who I, 74 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 S2: I mean with all due respect to Harry Potter, he's 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,250 S2: not actually real anyway, so it doesn't matter. But I 76 00:04:01,250 --> 00:04:08,000 S2: like you better anyway. It's not about comparisons. No it's. 77 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,450 S4: Not. 78 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:12,590 S2: Let's get into it. We're so excited to have you. 79 00:04:12,590 --> 00:04:15,740 S2: And also to be recording in person in Sydney. It's 80 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:16,670 S2: very exciting. 81 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:19,190 S4: Yeah. Grateful to be here. So nice to see you both. 82 00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:23,630 S2: And first of all, congratulations on your book. So exciting. 83 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:26,510 S4: So wild. I never thought when I left school that 84 00:04:26,510 --> 00:04:28,640 S4: I would be an author, which is pretty crazy. And 85 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,010 S4: I was quite scared. There was a lot of resistance 86 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:32,960 S4: before I wrote it. And then I was like, oh, 87 00:04:32,990 --> 00:04:34,700 S4: this process is going to be wild. I've always not 88 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:36,890 S4: really got around journaling. It's just not how I fully 89 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:40,070 S4: process things. And when I started the process, I just 90 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:42,380 S4: had this resistance. And then the whole process I actually 91 00:04:42,380 --> 00:04:44,270 S4: really enjoyed. And as soon as I finished, I was like, 92 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:47,570 S4: to the publicist, this will not be my last. Um, 93 00:04:47,570 --> 00:04:50,060 S4: so I love the process. I thought it was very therapeutic. 94 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:53,510 S2: Amazing. And your book is called The Good Fight Boxing, ballet, 95 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:57,380 S2: and Breaking Stereotypes. Writing a book is a very, very, 96 00:04:57,380 --> 00:05:01,460 S2: very large project and incredible. So thank you guys. Amazing. 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,799 S2: Now we want to start if it's okay with the Olympics. 98 00:05:07,310 --> 00:05:08,750 S2: How do you actually I was gonna say are you 99 00:05:08,779 --> 00:05:09,890 S2: sick of talking about it? Yeah. 100 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:13,370 S4: Uh, I don't know. It's so weird. Like, you know 101 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,650 S4: what the human experience is, like, some days you wake 102 00:05:15,650 --> 00:05:17,870 S4: up and you're no dramas, and some days you wake 103 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:19,730 S4: up and you're not. And today feels like one of 104 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:23,300 S4: those days where I'm not, but like, I. And I was, like, walking. 105 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:24,799 S4: I was like, what is actually going on? I always, 106 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:26,839 S4: I probably asked myself like ten times a day, like, 107 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:29,540 S4: how are you actually feeling right now? And that will 108 00:05:29,540 --> 00:05:32,690 S4: fleet and change throughout the day as well. But it's yeah, today. 109 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,520 S4: Today's a really interesting one, so I'm not sure. I 110 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,080 S4: also know that I've been doing a book tour for 111 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,820 S4: the last like two weeks. Has it been home? So 112 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:41,210 S4: it's just been like a lot of talking. Um, yeah, 113 00:05:41,210 --> 00:05:42,650 S4: it's been like a lot of fun. I've met so 114 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:44,359 S4: many amazing people and I've had a lot of support 115 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,789 S4: as well, which has been cool. But yeah, just, um, 116 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:49,729 S4: I'm pretty excited. I feel like in that the book 117 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,450 S4: tour haven't really been honoring how I've been feeling. So 118 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:55,310 S4: I think in that it's just like my body's going, hey, 119 00:05:55,339 --> 00:05:57,820 S4: take care of yourself, mate. So I'm like, once this 120 00:05:57,820 --> 00:05:59,710 S4: is done, I'm probably gonna have a week in Sydney, 121 00:05:59,740 --> 00:06:01,990 S4: which would be really nice with my homies now and 122 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:03,910 S4: then I'm just going to go to like up the coast, 123 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:06,880 S4: Lake Jindabyne or somewhere just by myself and just put 124 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,310 S4: the phone away and let's see what comes up. I 125 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:12,219 S4: don't know, goodness, badness, whatever comes up, comes up. 126 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,030 S2: Do you feel like in coming back and having so 127 00:06:16,029 --> 00:06:19,300 S2: much media after with your book tour, but generally after 128 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:23,950 S2: the Olympics as well? Have you been able to process 129 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:26,979 S2: how you feel or do you and is talk because 130 00:06:26,980 --> 00:06:29,349 S2: obviously you've done it's really interesting with interviewing because you've 131 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:33,250 S2: you go deeper often in interviews than you do, like 132 00:06:33,250 --> 00:06:35,440 S2: in a general conversation because, you know, you have an 133 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,289 S2: hour and it's depending on it obviously depends on the interview, 134 00:06:38,290 --> 00:06:40,450 S2: but a lot of them are quite deep. And you 135 00:06:40,450 --> 00:06:43,600 S2: as a person, you give so much. Have you found 136 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,630 S2: it easier to process things by just because you've had 137 00:06:46,630 --> 00:06:48,880 S2: to talk, as you said, like one week since you've 138 00:06:48,910 --> 00:06:51,190 S2: or two weeks since you've been back? Or do you 139 00:06:51,190 --> 00:06:54,549 S2: feel like there's there's more in there that you need 140 00:06:54,550 --> 00:06:55,570 S2: to find yourself? 141 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,029 S4: Yeah, I feel like it's like, just like any situation 142 00:06:58,029 --> 00:07:00,130 S4: there is good and bad. So I love to talk 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,890 S4: and I love to sort of like, navigate how I'm 144 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:05,650 S4: feeling as it's happening, like as I'm sort of spitting 145 00:07:05,650 --> 00:07:07,690 S4: out my words. I'm like sort of figuring out myself, 146 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,610 S4: like what actually is going on. That's sort of just 147 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:12,490 S4: how I've always operated. And I feel like the last 148 00:07:12,490 --> 00:07:14,470 S4: two weeks has been like that, but then also as well, 149 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:16,870 S4: it's like when you're in the public or when you're 150 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:18,760 S4: doing something like this, even like, I'm not going to like, 151 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:21,760 S4: fully like break down or like, I don't know, like 152 00:07:21,790 --> 00:07:24,460 S4: that's private, that's sacred for me. That's my space. Right? 153 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:28,270 S4: So it's like you aren't really honoring yourself completely, but 154 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:31,150 S4: then it's also like, I know it has been quite 155 00:07:31,150 --> 00:07:33,670 S4: cathartic and therapeutic. It's been it's been nice. And I 156 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:35,800 S4: have felt a lot of love from a lot of people, 157 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,290 S4: which has been super nice, but also as well as 158 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:41,110 S4: I said, you can't really fully show like bare your 159 00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:43,090 S4: chest to the world when you're doing stuff like that. 160 00:07:43,090 --> 00:07:44,770 S4: So it's like, I'm quite happy for it to be done. 161 00:07:44,770 --> 00:07:46,990 S4: And then I'm like by myself or around people that 162 00:07:46,990 --> 00:07:49,450 S4: I really love, and I can really sort of bare 163 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,780 S4: my chest a bit more. Um, so I'm excited for that. Yeah. 164 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:55,720 S2: So can I ask how how you are today, then? 165 00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:59,650 S4: Yeah, I don't know. Like, I couldn't really articulate. It's only. 166 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,380 S4: What's the time? It's like ten, ten, 20. So it's 167 00:08:02,410 --> 00:08:04,630 S4: it's still early in the day. I got up this 168 00:08:04,630 --> 00:08:07,840 S4: morning and I trained, which I always feel better after training. Um, 169 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,270 S4: and then I was just rushing. I hate rushing, I 170 00:08:10,270 --> 00:08:13,210 S4: pride myself on being on time. And I always catering like, 171 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,310 S4: extra time. Like, I woke up 15 minutes early to 172 00:08:15,340 --> 00:08:18,790 S4: a doctor's appointment. Like, it's so frustrating. Um. And I. Yeah, 173 00:08:18,820 --> 00:08:20,980 S4: I just feel. Yeah, I just feel a bit, a 174 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:23,560 S4: little bit off today, which is. Which is fine too. Like, I, 175 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,780 S4: I've learned to just accept myself and fall and not 176 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:28,000 S4: try and, like, live up to what I feel like 177 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,210 S4: I need to. But yeah, just aware that I'm. And 178 00:08:31,210 --> 00:08:33,160 S4: I'm like, I could probably give myself answers, but I'm like, 179 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,810 S4: maybe I don't even need to give myself answers on 180 00:08:34,809 --> 00:08:36,850 S4: how I'm feeling, but I'm just like not feeling on today, 181 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:38,590 S4: which is fine too. Yeah. Yeah. 182 00:08:38,590 --> 00:08:40,660 S2: I think that's so important to acknowledge. I think so 183 00:08:40,660 --> 00:08:43,210 S2: often as well. Like we feel like when we show up, 184 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:45,760 S2: we have to show up at 100% every single day. 185 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,430 S2: And it's not. And especially I think it's even not 186 00:08:48,429 --> 00:08:51,100 S2: more difficult. It's all relative. But when you are showing 187 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:54,979 S2: up on a microphone, when there's like thousands of people 188 00:08:55,010 --> 00:08:57,679 S2: or tens of thousands of people listening, and you're not 189 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,540 S2: feeling 100%. It's always that extra difficulty. Hey, it's sort. 190 00:09:02,540 --> 00:09:05,209 S4: Of and as well, I feel like it. I have 191 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:07,460 S4: felt this when I first got into a little bit 192 00:09:07,460 --> 00:09:11,450 S4: of public like recognition. I felt that sometimes like I 193 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:13,790 S4: would feel like that and then say, someone comes up 194 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:16,460 S4: to you on the street, it's like I give them everything, hey, 195 00:09:16,490 --> 00:09:18,949 S4: how you going? Like I'm like. And then in that, 196 00:09:18,950 --> 00:09:21,020 S4: you sort of not honoring exactly how you're feeling. So 197 00:09:21,020 --> 00:09:24,439 S4: then you're like, you're beating yourself up internally, like. Like 198 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:26,060 S4: you were just so happy to that person. Then you 199 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:27,860 S4: sort of subtracting from how you really feeling, and then 200 00:09:27,860 --> 00:09:29,630 S4: you're just getting lower and lower and lower, and then 201 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:31,730 S4: you're still putting on that like massive smile. It's like 202 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,209 S4: a really interesting thing to navigate. Um, but as well, 203 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:37,579 S4: I feel like over the last 18 months I have 204 00:09:37,580 --> 00:09:40,370 S4: got better at like actually going like, hey, I can, 205 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,880 S4: I could go on say the project or a TV 206 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,309 S4: show now and actually go like, I'm not on today. 207 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:47,870 S4: I remember the first time I went on the project, 208 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:50,240 S4: like had one of the worst days I've had in 209 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,450 S4: a long, long time, and I was sitting in my 210 00:09:53,460 --> 00:09:55,860 S4: car before just going like, I don't want to do this. 211 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:57,960 S4: Like and then I was like, I went on and 212 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,600 S4: I was just like, yeah, like, I'm so happy. Life's good. 213 00:10:01,770 --> 00:10:03,840 S4: And I was just, like, beating myself up after it 214 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,150 S4: as well. But I'm like, I have got the confidence 215 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:08,280 S4: now that I don't need to do that. Like, I 216 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,650 S4: don't care if this all blows up in my face 217 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:12,510 S4: and I'm happy with myself and I'm happy with my 218 00:10:12,510 --> 00:10:16,170 S4: life and I don't need it anymore. Yeah, I don't 219 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:19,020 S4: need people to know my name, I don't care. Like, 220 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:21,360 S4: I'm happy with where I'm at and I'm happy with 221 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,429 S4: the position I'm in now. And I want to try 222 00:10:23,429 --> 00:10:24,750 S4: and leave the world in a better place. And my 223 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:26,520 S4: heart's in the right place. But like, I couldn't care 224 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:28,440 S4: less if I didn't get another opportunity like that. 225 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:29,010 S2: Mhm. 226 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:31,619 S1: When you say that and then also even as you 227 00:10:31,650 --> 00:10:34,110 S1: were saying earlier that you like checked in with yourself 228 00:10:34,110 --> 00:10:36,510 S1: like every like ten times a day, you might ask 229 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:39,900 S1: yourself how you're feeling, all that stuff. You are incredibly self-aware, 230 00:10:39,929 --> 00:10:42,270 S1: something that a lot of people aim to kind of 231 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:44,880 S1: get to that place where they can truly know what 232 00:10:45,270 --> 00:10:47,910 S1: makes them tick and what necessarily doesn't, and how they're feeling, 233 00:10:47,910 --> 00:10:50,370 S1: and all of that stuff. Have you always been like that, 234 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:53,130 S1: or has there been something that you've gone through that's 235 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:56,280 S1: made you really more self-aware and tune into yourself. I 236 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,980 S1: know you said you don't journal, but you do poems 237 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:01,290 S1: and stuff like that. How long have you had things 238 00:11:01,290 --> 00:11:03,569 S1: like that in your life that's made you just really 239 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:04,890 S1: tune in with who you are? 240 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:06,780 S4: I feel like it's like a bit of a, um, 241 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:09,480 S4: like a snowball. Like it starts quite small. But then 242 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,640 S4: the more it rolls, the bigger it gets. So, like, 243 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,930 S4: I have always been extremely curious and like, always like, um, 244 00:11:15,929 --> 00:11:18,210 S4: compared to, I guess, the people in my life. And 245 00:11:18,210 --> 00:11:19,920 S4: I had two brothers, so it was quite a masculine 246 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,130 S4: environment or male environment, but like I felt a lot 247 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:25,410 S4: more curious to them. I felt like I would like 248 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,210 S4: I know they would always pick on me for crying 249 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:29,250 S4: more often, or just being a bit more like softer. 250 00:11:29,250 --> 00:11:31,860 S4: And if you believe in star signs, I am cancer. 251 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:33,480 S4: I don't know if I believe in them, but it's 252 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,030 S4: like they I think they're a bit more emotional. Um, 253 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:38,820 S4: and yeah, so I've always been like that. And then 254 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:40,800 S4: I just think the older I've got and the more 255 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:43,260 S4: that I've just allowed my true self to like fully 256 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:44,969 S4: come out, it's like it's been a bit of a snowball, 257 00:11:44,970 --> 00:11:47,040 S4: which just got bigger and bigger. And then it's like 258 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:50,040 S4: in my head I've probably overcomplicated it too much, like 259 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:53,470 S4: it's just like it was easier when life was, like, quiet. 260 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:56,439 S4: I was quite ignorant and not aware. Like it is 261 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,329 S4: easier because you're not asking yourself the questions. You're just 262 00:11:58,330 --> 00:12:01,510 S4: like you think something's going on. You're like, I feel 263 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:03,550 S4: like you don't even realize how you're feeling. Then you're 264 00:12:03,580 --> 00:12:05,650 S4: sort of navigating through the world, just like on a, 265 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,040 S4: like a moderate, you know, where it's like, I'm super 266 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,179 S4: aware to the point where it's over complicated. Yeah. At times. 267 00:12:13,870 --> 00:12:16,060 S2: And do you mind if I ask you one question 268 00:12:16,059 --> 00:12:16,900 S2: about the Olympics? 269 00:12:17,170 --> 00:12:18,880 S4: Of course. I'm an open book. 270 00:12:18,910 --> 00:12:21,640 S2: Thank you. And at any point, if you're just like, nah, 271 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,430 S2: I'm done with this, you just tell us. Exactly. But 272 00:12:24,429 --> 00:12:28,630 S2: we we actually, after watching your fight and then the 273 00:12:28,630 --> 00:12:31,210 S2: interview that you did after the fight and then the 274 00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:33,430 S2: video that you did the next day, we spoke at 275 00:12:33,429 --> 00:12:37,780 S2: length about that on the podcast, because I think watching 276 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:40,840 S2: you obviously work, and I think one of the things 277 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,300 S2: I think is the most incredible thing about you, I mean, 278 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:45,610 S2: there's a lot of them, but the affirmations that you 279 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,830 S2: were doing leading up to the Olympics, is that what 280 00:12:47,830 --> 00:12:49,840 S2: you classified? Is that the right language? 281 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,800 S4: I think so, yeah I've got an idea of what 282 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,390 S4: I call it, but yeah, I know what you're talking about. Okay. 283 00:12:54,050 --> 00:12:56,090 S2: So are you saying, like, I am an Olympian, I 284 00:12:56,090 --> 00:12:59,240 S2: am a gold medal Olympian, etc.? And you were saying 285 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,420 S2: that you weren't only doing that publicly, but sorry, privately 286 00:13:02,420 --> 00:13:04,580 S2: you were. You were posting it on, on social media. 287 00:13:04,580 --> 00:13:07,699 S2: And I think I thought that was incredible because the 288 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:10,910 S2: thing with and this is where I've and manifestation is 289 00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:13,580 S2: something that I'm like just kind of leaning into now 290 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:16,550 S2: and understanding a little bit more, but it does for me. Still, 291 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:19,580 S2: it feels pretty uncomfortable because you have to say the 292 00:13:19,580 --> 00:13:22,640 S2: thing that you're working towards, you have to like make 293 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,010 S2: your your subconscious believe it. You've got to say that 294 00:13:25,010 --> 00:13:27,500 S2: you've done it right. It's not like I am. I 295 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:29,449 S2: hope I do a good job at the Olympics. It's 296 00:13:29,450 --> 00:13:32,150 S2: like I will do a good job, I do, I have, 297 00:13:32,179 --> 00:13:34,460 S2: I have, yeah, I have done a good job at 298 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:38,270 S2: the Olympics. And I think to do that publicly with 299 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:41,120 S2: the knowing that you actually don't know what the outcome 300 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,339 S2: is going to be, is so fucking courageous because you 301 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:49,610 S2: are telling the world what you want, which I think 302 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,700 S2: it is very rare for anyone to do that like 303 00:13:52,730 --> 00:13:54,740 S2: the things that I want. I honestly like I hardly 304 00:13:54,740 --> 00:13:56,270 S2: ever say them out loud to my husband, like, let 305 00:13:56,270 --> 00:14:00,380 S2: alone on in in a public forum, because then if 306 00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:02,960 S2: I don't get them, no one will know and only 307 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,100 S2: I will know that I have failed you. Then the 308 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:09,530 S2: fight didn't go your way. It's like, you know, sometimes 309 00:14:09,530 --> 00:14:13,580 S2: in life that happens and it fucking sucks. You had 310 00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:16,700 S2: your interview and you then came back the next day, 311 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:18,859 S2: and the video that you did, I thought was one 312 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:20,930 S2: of the most powerful pieces of content I've ever seen 313 00:14:20,930 --> 00:14:24,140 S2: in my entire life, because you were able to completely 314 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:28,970 S2: reframe it, own how you felt, own how you were 315 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:32,720 S2: able to. It's it's a kind of re um, oh, 316 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,240 S2: how am I going to say this change your mindset around. 317 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,140 S2: It's not about the outcome, it's the journey and what 318 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:41,930 S2: you've got out of the journey. And the journey hasn't changed, 319 00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:45,020 S2: even though the outcome wasn't what you desired. And I 320 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:48,620 S2: thought that was just so powerful. How the fuck did 321 00:14:48,620 --> 00:14:52,570 S2: you do that overnight. Like just incredible. How did it 322 00:14:52,570 --> 00:14:54,820 S2: feel knowing that you told everyone you were going to 323 00:14:54,820 --> 00:14:57,910 S2: win the gold medal, and then it didn't go your way? 324 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,220 S4: Yeah, I think when it comes to that question, it's like, 325 00:15:00,250 --> 00:15:04,540 S4: that's why the post-match interview was so raw, because it 326 00:15:04,540 --> 00:15:07,000 S4: was just like I told the world, it's like, I 327 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,190 S4: know before the last Olympics, like I wasn't expected. I 328 00:15:09,190 --> 00:15:11,380 S4: was probably like there was five boxers on the team. 329 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:14,170 S4: I was probably fourth or fifth expected to win a medal, right. 330 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,450 S4: So it was right down the bottom. And then I 331 00:15:16,450 --> 00:15:19,240 S4: won a medal. Right. So then the three years post 332 00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:22,780 S4: Tokyo into into Paris, it's like like I went on 333 00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:24,940 S4: this massive journey of like. And then people started, like, 334 00:15:24,970 --> 00:15:27,310 S4: actually believing in me, right? It's like, I feel like 335 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:28,810 S4: a lot of my life has just been like I've 336 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,140 S4: believed in myself. And then people have kind of like, questioned, 337 00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:34,360 S4: including my parents and people like that, like out of love. 338 00:15:34,390 --> 00:15:38,080 S4: But they have questioned like my directions and things like that. 339 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,360 S4: And it's like I got people to go on the 340 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,760 S4: journey with me because they're like, oh, he's past performances 341 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,400 S4: have shown this like he's a sure thing, right? Almost 342 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,110 S4: a sure thing. And that is embarrassing. Like that was 343 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,220 S4: like baring your chest to the world and like believing 344 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:54,580 S4: it and then falling on your face like, um, but 345 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:57,340 S4: I will always do that. Um, probably until I have kids. 346 00:15:57,340 --> 00:16:02,170 S4: But I'll always do that, like set big audacious goals. 347 00:16:02,170 --> 00:16:04,990 S4: I don't know if I will tell them as publicly 348 00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:07,450 S4: as much, but I'll always set big, audacious goals and 349 00:16:07,450 --> 00:16:10,300 S4: tell people that I like, love and admire and, um, 350 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:12,220 S4: because they will hold you accountable, which I think is 351 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:14,800 S4: really important. But it's just like, like baring your chest 352 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,390 S4: to the world. And that man in the arena, Theodore 353 00:16:16,390 --> 00:16:19,630 S4: Roosevelt quote, like, man, I love that. Like, you always 354 00:16:19,630 --> 00:16:21,760 S4: get bigger. And like when I set the goal at 355 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,650 S4: the age of seven, when I when I saw Grant 356 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,920 S4: Hackett win in 2004, it's like, I didn't think it's 357 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,450 S4: like there was something in me that kind of believed 358 00:16:28,450 --> 00:16:30,070 S4: I was capable. But it's like I also knew that 359 00:16:30,070 --> 00:16:31,540 S4: I'm like, oh, I don't know. I'm just a boy 360 00:16:31,540 --> 00:16:33,850 S4: from Lilydale. Like, am I actually capable? And just like 361 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,940 S4: through the 20 year journey, I finally believed that I could, 362 00:16:36,970 --> 00:16:39,250 S4: like I actually believed that I deserved to be there 363 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,600 S4: where it's like, I didn't feel like that a lot 364 00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:43,360 S4: in my life. So it's like setting big, audacious goals. 365 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,700 S4: Regardless if they happen. It's like you always shed your 366 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:48,250 S4: skin and grow into a bigger version of yourself always. 367 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,970 S4: So I'm like, I'll always do that. But publicly some. 368 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,500 S4: I will and some I won't, I think. Yeah. 369 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,400 S1: And you have you've shared so much so publicly which. Again, 370 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,450 S1: so courageous, but also so great for people especially. I 371 00:17:01,450 --> 00:17:04,510 S1: know a big thing for you is like helping young people, 372 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:06,729 S1: especially if they're wanting to get into boxing and everything 373 00:17:06,730 --> 00:17:09,670 S1: like that. Know that that's a part of the journey. 374 00:17:09,670 --> 00:17:12,820 S1: So it's amazing that you're showing up like that when 375 00:17:12,850 --> 00:17:15,070 S1: because we caught up the other day and I saw 376 00:17:15,070 --> 00:17:17,709 S1: your story when you got home and you had all 377 00:17:17,710 --> 00:17:19,419 S1: the posters, kind of as we were talking about with 378 00:17:19,420 --> 00:17:22,780 S1: the visualization of winning gold, you had all these posters 379 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:25,030 S1: in your room and you were talking on your stories 380 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:27,879 S1: about how it felt to like, be pulling that down 381 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,670 S1: and like just seeing your room again since coming home. 382 00:17:30,670 --> 00:17:32,200 S1: And you said to me the other day that your 383 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,930 S1: housemate asked if you wanted him to take them down 384 00:17:34,930 --> 00:17:37,810 S1: for you before you got home, but you felt like 385 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,200 S1: you needed to do that. How did that feel going 386 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,090 S1: back into your room and having to do that? And 387 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:45,010 S1: why did you choose to do it yourself instead of 388 00:17:45,010 --> 00:17:46,120 S1: him doing it for you? 389 00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:49,220 S4: I think you need to. Yeah, you really need to 390 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:52,070 S4: feel the emotion of failure. Like, I love that. Like, 391 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:55,550 S4: really feel it. Um, of course we can try and 392 00:17:55,580 --> 00:17:59,000 S4: sort of disguise ourselves like, I'm. I'm an addict. It 393 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,010 S4: runs in my family, and I've had it my whole life. 394 00:18:01,010 --> 00:18:03,320 S4: And I guess addiction just stems from like, a place of, like, 395 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:06,410 S4: trying to distract yourself from uneasy feelings. Right? And I'm like, 396 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,669 S4: I don't want to do that anymore. I want to 397 00:18:07,670 --> 00:18:09,230 S4: try and break. I want to be the circuit breaker, 398 00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:11,870 S4: I want to. So it's like any opportunity I can to, like, 399 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:15,679 S4: feel the misery or feel the suffering in that moment. 400 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,900 S4: It's like, I want to feel it. And I wanted 401 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:19,730 S4: to walk into my room and just go like, hey, 402 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,629 S4: you didn't like you didn't succeed. Like you failed like 403 00:18:23,660 --> 00:18:26,210 S4: and feel that. And people always go, oh, you didn't fail. 404 00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:27,590 S4: I was like, no, no, no, I did. I'm a 405 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:30,500 S4: high performing athlete. Like like I did fail and I'm 406 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:32,870 S4: okay with that. My definition of a failure for, for 407 00:18:32,869 --> 00:18:34,639 S4: for me is probably different to other people. And like 408 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:36,139 S4: I'm okay with that. I can look at myself in 409 00:18:36,140 --> 00:18:38,780 S4: the mirror and be like, hey, you failed. Like, and 410 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:41,450 S4: that's fine. Like, it's so fine. Like to, like, get 411 00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:43,550 S4: back up when you choose to. I need to sit 412 00:18:43,550 --> 00:18:45,680 S4: in the mud for a bit, get back up and 413 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,689 S4: set another goal and try your hardest to achieve that one. Yeah, 414 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,770 S4: that's mine. And I just. 415 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:53,590 S2: Think for so many people and I'm sure you know this, 416 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:56,230 S2: but for so many people that were able to see 417 00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:59,890 S2: you be so open with your goal and then fail, 418 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:04,120 S2: not achieve the goal that you were hoping for. The 419 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,850 S2: I think, theme and even in myself, like the amount 420 00:19:06,850 --> 00:19:10,810 S2: of fear that got rid of in me because I 421 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:13,000 S2: was like, hang on, here's someone at like the peak 422 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,659 S2: of their career going to one of the biggest like platforms, 423 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:20,770 S2: the Olympics stages in the whole world, right? And not 424 00:19:20,770 --> 00:19:25,030 S2: getting the outcome. Maybe if I try something and fail it, 425 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:27,790 S2: it's not actually because I think so often we think like, 426 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:30,490 S2: what's the worst that can happen? And that like for you, 427 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,190 S2: I would say that's probably the thing that you didn't 428 00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:36,970 S2: want to happen the most, right? And it happened. And 429 00:19:36,970 --> 00:19:39,520 S2: you're obviously I know like when I say you're okay, 430 00:19:39,550 --> 00:19:42,220 S2: like there's I don't say that lightly. I know there's 431 00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:46,060 S2: so much that you will be working through, but you've 432 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,500 S2: shown so many people that it is okay, that if 433 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:51,690 S2: you give it a go and you give it everything 434 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:53,970 S2: and everyone knows about it and it doesn't go your way, 435 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:56,369 S2: it is okay and you'll still get back up. 436 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,710 S4: I always think that's huge. It's massive. And I always 437 00:19:58,710 --> 00:20:02,010 S4: think like like, yeah, like the society we live in 438 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:04,350 S4: like celebrates winners, which I think isn't a bad thing either. 439 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,780 S4: Like we all want to strive to be better, right. 440 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:08,580 S4: And it's like if we all just got okay with losing, 441 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:11,280 S4: then it's like, would it really be competition? Would we 442 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,100 S4: really be taking risks if like, we didn't feel embarrassment 443 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:16,619 S4: or feel the suffering of failure? Like, I think it 444 00:20:16,619 --> 00:20:19,740 S4: is important to feel that. But it's just like for me, 445 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:21,630 S4: the position that I've got to now, it's like I'll 446 00:20:21,630 --> 00:20:25,800 S4: always set massive, big, audacious goals and it's like, it's like, 447 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,690 S4: even if I don't achieve them, though, it's like I'm 448 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:30,060 S4: going to try my hardest. And that's really important because 449 00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:33,600 S4: I'm super competitive. But it's just like I will inevitably 450 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,260 S4: get into a better version of myself by setting that goal, right. 451 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:39,630 S4: And that's way more important. It's like by getting and 452 00:20:39,630 --> 00:20:41,760 S4: shedding my skin and growing bigger and bigger. And just like, 453 00:20:41,790 --> 00:20:44,340 S4: eventually you're as big as the Jack and the Beanstalk. 454 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,719 S4: Was that giant and that like, you mean I want 455 00:20:46,750 --> 00:20:49,540 S4: to be like that? That's where I want to get to. And. Like, 456 00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:51,520 S4: I think big goals make that. It's like if you 457 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,620 S4: don't set a goal, it's just like you'll just stay 458 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:56,379 S4: where you are and that's fine. But like, that's your choice, right? 459 00:20:56,410 --> 00:20:58,359 S4: And set a big goal and try and achieve it. 460 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,850 S4: And if you don't, that's fine. But you got bigger, 461 00:21:00,850 --> 00:21:03,640 S4: you got better. And then maybe next time you will. 462 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,700 S2: And do you think then if you went back, would 463 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:08,470 S2: you still go to the Paris Olympics? 464 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,220 S4: Oh, that's a good question. Uh, yeah. Yeah I would yeah, 465 00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:15,250 S4: I would, I um yeah, I think I got something 466 00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:17,740 S4: out of the 20 year journey that I don't know if. 467 00:21:17,770 --> 00:21:20,619 S4: If I didn't go to Paris, I don't know if 468 00:21:20,619 --> 00:21:21,970 S4: I would have got to that position where it's like 469 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,859 S4: I sat down the day after and was like, hey, 470 00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:26,770 S4: I'm actually, like, kind to myself now, you know, it was, 471 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,390 S4: you know, it's weird. And I don't think I've said 472 00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:30,370 S4: this publicly, but I've definitely told a few people close 473 00:21:30,369 --> 00:21:33,429 S4: to me. It's like I made deals with myself. This 474 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:35,919 S4: is how intense I was. I made deals with myself 475 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,200 S4: before the Commonwealth Games and before the last Olympics that 476 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,940 S4: if I didn't get success, I'd kill myself. It's like, 477 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:44,690 S4: and I don't know if I actually would, but it's 478 00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:47,420 S4: like that is the ultimatum that I that I made 479 00:21:47,420 --> 00:21:50,090 S4: with myself. That's how much it meant to me. And 480 00:21:50,090 --> 00:21:52,640 S4: it's like before this preparation, I was like, there's no 481 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,520 S4: chance I'm setting that again. There is no chance I'm 482 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,010 S4: way better than that. My life is way more important 483 00:21:58,010 --> 00:22:00,830 S4: than that. And I like built this. A lot of 484 00:22:00,830 --> 00:22:03,649 S4: people in sports psychology say like, be more positive to yourself. 485 00:22:03,650 --> 00:22:06,410 S4: And it's like, I was more positive to myself and 486 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:09,710 S4: I wasn't as strict on myself, and it didn't mean 487 00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:13,070 S4: as much to me as my life. Right? But then 488 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:16,400 S4: I didn't get success. But I in that it's like 489 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,709 S4: I would I'm happy with the position I'm in, but 490 00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:20,390 S4: it's like, I don't think I would have got there 491 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:22,940 S4: anyway if I didn't have all this, like, intensity of 492 00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:26,750 S4: like a Olympic bronze medal and Commonwealth Games gold. So 493 00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:28,040 S4: I feel like I had to go on that journey 494 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,140 S4: to get to the position I'm in now. Mhm. 495 00:22:30,170 --> 00:22:33,260 S2: Oh it's just incredible that and I'm so sorry that 496 00:22:33,260 --> 00:22:35,750 S2: you had those thoughts in your head first of all. 497 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:38,060 S2: But I think in you building like being able to 498 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:40,850 S2: move away from that and rebuild that relationship with yourself, 499 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,310 S2: like it's obviously the most important relationship that we have 500 00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:46,220 S2: in our lives. And I think for everyone listening right now, 501 00:22:46,220 --> 00:22:48,109 S2: if you want to try something and you're scared of 502 00:22:48,109 --> 00:22:52,190 S2: failure like we have, like Harry in your story, you 503 00:22:52,220 --> 00:22:56,659 S2: failed very, very, very publicly. And that I think we 504 00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:59,450 S2: so often think, I can't try this because this the 505 00:22:59,450 --> 00:23:02,840 S2: worst case scenario could happen. Now, maybe it wasn't the 506 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,240 S2: worst case scenario would happen for you, but I'm sure 507 00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:07,700 S2: that it was. Yeah, for sure it was the worst 508 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:08,330 S2: case scenario, right? 509 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:10,580 S4: That actually fight to someone who I was supposed like 510 00:23:10,609 --> 00:23:12,169 S4: supposed to be quite comfortably. Yeah. 511 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,600 S2: So that happened and you would do it again. And 512 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,660 S2: I just think for everyone like let that absorb into 513 00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:21,680 S2: you because you it's not it's obviously success is like 514 00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:23,780 S2: it's important. Right. It's I'm not saying that it's not 515 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:26,390 S2: for you. Winning wasn't important. But what you got out 516 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:29,330 S2: of that journey and so many people do not try 517 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,879 S2: things because they are like, I, I'm going to fail. 518 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,740 S2: The worst case scenario could happen. I just think there's 519 00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:35,870 S2: so much power in you sitting here saying the worst 520 00:23:35,869 --> 00:23:38,750 S2: case scenario happened and you do it in a public 521 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:41,810 S2: forum and you would do it again, that's pretty incredible. 522 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,470 S4: Yeah, and I always think, like, I woke up the 523 00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:45,660 S4: next day, I was like, the world keeps spinning. Yeah, 524 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:47,399 S4: it's like the world stops for no one. It's like 525 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:48,959 S4: you can sit here and feel sorry for yourself and 526 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,959 S4: be sad. Um, which is like, important, right? It is 527 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,420 S4: important to, like. I don't feel sad. It's like, important to, like, 528 00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:57,359 S4: actually go far out. That didn't go how I wanted, right? 529 00:23:57,390 --> 00:23:59,280 S4: It's just like part of it. But I just had 530 00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:01,200 S4: like that reflection. I think I say it in the video, 531 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,930 S4: but I was like, uh, I was like eating a cookie. 532 00:24:03,930 --> 00:24:05,490 S4: And I just, like, had all these, like, weird things, 533 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,350 S4: like boxing me make weight. So I hadn't had any, like, 534 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:08,730 S4: bad food for a long time. I was just like 535 00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:10,920 S4: eating this cookie. And I was just like, man, there's 536 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,470 S4: people in the world that are starving. Like there's war 537 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,990 S4: going on. There's like genuine suffering. Right? And here I 538 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:18,540 S4: am complaining that I lost the match. Oh poor me. 539 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:20,609 S4: It's like, man, get over it. Yeah. And it was 540 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,400 S4: like a nice little internal battle. Yes. Maybe I'm being 541 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:25,410 S4: too hard on myself, but it's also like I'm here 542 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,260 S4: eating a cookie in the Olympic Village. Like I wanted 543 00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:30,150 S4: a 20 year journey trying to search for this. I 544 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:35,129 S4: was a little kid who was, like, small, weak, incapable. 545 00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:38,100 S4: And then I grew into a strong, capable, better version 546 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:39,600 S4: of myself throughout 20 years. 547 00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:44,980 S3: It's amazing One, two, three. 548 00:24:45,730 --> 00:24:48,220 S1: When we caught up the other day, something that you'd 549 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:51,609 S1: said was that when you think that you went through 550 00:24:51,609 --> 00:24:55,479 S1: this like 6 or 7 years ago, you would have 551 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,139 S1: dealt with it very differently. And I'd mentioned that we 552 00:24:59,140 --> 00:25:02,020 S1: just on the pod, actually, we've had a conversation with Alexis, 553 00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:05,080 S1: which is coming out soon, and it was all about purpose. 554 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,619 S1: And one of the examples that she used in not 555 00:25:08,619 --> 00:25:11,800 S1: attaching a goal that you have, like a big, gigantic 556 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,820 S1: goal to your your purpose and your self-worth. Um, she 557 00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:18,670 S1: used athletes as an example because, you know, you have 558 00:25:18,670 --> 00:25:20,709 S1: this your eyes set on something and whether or not 559 00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:22,360 S1: you succeed in it, like even if you did get 560 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,210 S1: the gold medal, it's kind of like this. Like what 561 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,940 S1: next and where to go from next? If it is 562 00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:31,390 S1: your all and everything, you have so much going for 563 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:34,180 S1: you and so much that if anyone that follows you 564 00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:37,690 S1: online would know that means a lot to you outside 565 00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:39,969 S1: of boxing. And we were talking about this the other day, 566 00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:41,920 S1: but I'd love to hear it from you. What do 567 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,899 S1: you think? That that's part of the reason why maybe 568 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,020 S1: you're dealing with this failure better than you might have 569 00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:49,899 S1: in the past. Because it's boxing means the world to you. 570 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,150 S1: But there is also still so much that you bring 571 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:53,050 S1: to the table. 572 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,170 S4: Yeah, that's yeah, it's a really good point because I think, um, 573 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,510 S4: for like most of my life, my whole identity was 574 00:25:58,510 --> 00:26:01,180 S4: consumed with that of only being a boxer. So it's 575 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:03,939 S4: like when I won, I won. Yeah, that's me. Right. 576 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:06,670 S4: And then when I lost, I lost, um, and I 577 00:26:06,670 --> 00:26:10,090 S4: can think of like, a memory. So 2020, just before 578 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:12,699 S4: Covid hit, I was in Melbourne. That's where I was based. 579 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:16,450 S4: And I failed to make the Tokyo Olympics twice overseas 580 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:19,180 S4: in Jordan. And I come back and it was like 581 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:22,630 S4: March 2020. So right into Covid, like right into lockdown 582 00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:26,320 S4: and like that next six months were like the worst 583 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,990 S4: six months of my life. I was like making decisions 584 00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:32,500 S4: to like, really ram myself and hurt myself and was 585 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,750 S4: just in a terrible place. And to think about the 586 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:38,080 S4: decisions I'm making now compared to them. I think it 587 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,480 S4: is because I have separated myself like I I'm happy 588 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,909 S4: with myself and I. Of course, there's some days you 589 00:26:43,910 --> 00:26:44,840 S4: wake up and you're like, you look in the mirror, 590 00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:46,760 S4: you're like, oh, man, I don't like, like you. You 591 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,590 S4: don't like who's looking back? But that's very rare. It's like, 592 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:50,720 S4: more often than not, I have a good relationship with myself, 593 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,900 S4: and I like that. Um, but it's like to think 594 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:57,470 S4: about 2020, and now it's like, that's growth. And it's like, 595 00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,810 S4: that's evidence right there that you're actually doing the work, 596 00:26:59,810 --> 00:27:01,040 S4: which is nice. Yeah. 597 00:27:01,070 --> 00:27:03,139 S2: Have you worked through what your purpose is? 598 00:27:03,859 --> 00:27:06,650 S4: Oh yeah. Like you can have like a generic answer 599 00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:08,450 S4: for this. I don't fully know. I think I'm quite 600 00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:12,889 S4: obsessed with like self-growth and experience and, um, I think 601 00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:14,359 S4: leaving the world in a better place than what I 602 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,310 S4: found it, but I'm like, I don't fully know. Yeah, 603 00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:17,570 S4: I'm not sure. Yeah. 604 00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:20,240 S1: And that's okay as well. Like, that was something. I mean, 605 00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:22,280 S1: even when we had Alexis on, I feel like in 606 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,490 S1: real time I was working it out for myself. Um, 607 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,220 S1: but I just think that there's so much in that, 608 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:31,880 S1: that that realization that you are a boxer, but it's 609 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,909 S1: not your whole and that there is so much else 610 00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:37,369 S1: that you do. You do genuinely. You're changing the world 611 00:27:37,369 --> 00:27:40,710 S1: in what you share. Outside of boxing, as well. Um, 612 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:43,230 S1: and to really kind of own that and embrace that, 613 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:44,520 S1: I think is amazing. 614 00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:46,860 S4: It's a really interesting thing because I find myself and 615 00:27:46,859 --> 00:27:48,899 S4: I hate that I do it. It's very frustrating, but 616 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,090 S4: it's like you meet someone for the first time or 617 00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:53,430 S4: you're like, what do you do for work? And I'm like, 618 00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:56,280 S4: I don't like that. I very much attach their identity 619 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,919 S4: to what they do. Like I and I'm trying to 620 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,209 S4: get better at it, but it's just such a, like 621 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,290 S4: a social thing, right? 622 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600 S2: You're conditioned to ask that question. Like after we ask 623 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,109 S2: someone's name. 624 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:05,910 S4: Yeah. Yeah. It's a really interesting thing. And I'm trying 625 00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:07,920 S4: to get better at like, but like what's a I, 626 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:09,990 S4: we can brainstorm it right now but like what's a question. 627 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:12,990 S4: Like what. Who are you. Yeah. Like what lights you up. 628 00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:14,880 S4: I don't know, like what actually gives you, like, what 629 00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,740 S4: gives you passion. It's like a bit weird if you 630 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:18,450 S4: ask someone that in the elevator, right? I don't know. 631 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,020 S4: I don't know. But. 632 00:28:19,050 --> 00:28:20,909 S2: And then I think for some people, like, some people's 633 00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:23,850 S2: careers are tied closer to their identity than others. And like, 634 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,160 S2: I think that's also. That's okay. 635 00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:26,880 S4: Yeah. 636 00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:29,700 S2: Because I think I sometimes put pressure on myself to like, 637 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:31,890 S2: never ask that question and then like, never say what 638 00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:33,990 S2: I do. But I'm like, actually, no, my career, like, 639 00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:36,869 S2: is so important to me. So if I'm going to 640 00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:38,640 S2: put that as a part of my identity and part 641 00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:41,430 S2: of not all of. Yeah. Like that's also okay. 642 00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:42,360 S1: Totally. 643 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,080 S4: Yeah. 644 00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:46,260 S2: What are you. So have you worked through. Obviously. I 645 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:49,440 S2: know you're so fresh off the Olympics, and you're going 646 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,790 S2: to have some time now, and you've just come back 647 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:55,200 S2: into this book with this press tour. Have you already 648 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,110 S2: set your next goal, or are you giving yourself space 649 00:28:58,110 --> 00:29:00,510 S2: and time to kind of work through that? 650 00:29:00,810 --> 00:29:03,780 S4: Uh, yeah, definitely space and time. I yeah, I'm not 651 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:06,600 S4: too sure what it is. And I'm. Yeah, I'm just 652 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,730 S4: aware that I'm like, I'm not tied to anyone. I 653 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:12,030 S4: think after my first Olympics Tokyo, like, I feel like 654 00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:14,460 S4: my identity was still boxer. So it's like I walked 655 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:17,040 S4: into professional boxing. I was like, well, I'm going to like, 656 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,830 S4: this is me. But it's like, now it's like, I 657 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:22,320 S4: love to fight and I love boxing. It's the best. 658 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,170 S4: But I'm like, I don't. I will never be a 659 00:29:25,170 --> 00:29:27,840 S4: pawn in someone else's game. I'm always the master of 660 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,880 S4: my fate and the king of my reality. So it's like, 661 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280 S4: I'm like, I don't need boxing. I do it because 662 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,340 S4: I love it and I've never needed it. Yeah, yeah. 663 00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:37,950 S2: I love that. And we wanted to ask you as 664 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,780 S2: well about We spoke about this last time, but you're 665 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:44,650 S2: still doing it, which is just incredible. The uncomfortable challenges 666 00:29:45,010 --> 00:29:48,580 S2: and the one that you're doing at the moment is 667 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:53,620 S2: living below the line. Can you talk about that? And 668 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:55,720 S2: then maybe for people that we're going to put the 669 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,820 S2: first episode we did with you in the show notes, 670 00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:59,770 S2: but can you just give a little bit of info 671 00:29:59,770 --> 00:30:02,650 S2: on why you started doing this? And also the fact 672 00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:04,780 S2: that how long? How long have you been doing it 673 00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:05,260 S2: for now? 674 00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:07,900 S4: Yeah, this is the 68th month in a row. Wow. Yeah. 675 00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:08,980 S4: Five and a half years. Yeah. 676 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:09,940 S1: So impressive. 677 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,850 S4: Yeah. So it's been, um. So I originally started for 678 00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:15,520 S4: an Olympic gold medal, um, just after the Commonwealth Games 679 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,670 S4: in 2018. And, like, I just think, like, if you 680 00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:20,380 S4: want to grow as an athlete, that's why I started. 681 00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:22,300 S4: It's like, go to the places you feel most uncomfortable. 682 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,030 S4: So I started small, like the first few ones were 683 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:27,820 S4: like having a hard conversation with your family or like, 684 00:30:27,850 --> 00:30:30,670 S4: telling someone something you've never told before, which is quite hard, right? 685 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,070 S4: They're not small, but it's like, I guess the big 686 00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:34,840 S4: shit because I've been doing for so long. It's like 687 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,570 S4: that has got bigger, right? Yeah. Um, and some have 688 00:30:37,570 --> 00:30:39,620 S4: been even still like deep in like my 50s. Some 689 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:42,470 S4: of them were quite easy, but like I have watched, 690 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:44,990 S4: I'm like a different person from which is inevitable. It's 691 00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:47,840 S4: five years ago and I'm in my like formative years. Um, 692 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,180 S4: but it's like crazy to think how much I have 693 00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:53,000 S4: taken from this. And I remember waking up, it was 694 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,820 S4: like I got back in Australia, and I'm thinking, I 695 00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:58,880 S4: haven't decided on an uncomfortable challenge for this month. And 696 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,680 S4: I'm thinking I started it for an Olympic gold medal. 697 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,660 S4: I didn't get one. I'm like, oh, screw this. Like 698 00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:04,610 S4: I was like, obviously quite negative. I was like, screw this. 699 00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:06,980 S4: And I was like, no, this has been like the 700 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:10,040 S4: best thing. I've like really enjoyed it. It's been a 701 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,860 S4: lot of fun. It's been very hard. But it's like 702 00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:14,510 S4: each month I've got to think of an idea. It 703 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:16,310 S4: brings enjoyment to my life. I've got to like, be 704 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:19,580 S4: creative sometimes, like I've done like an improv class or 705 00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:21,739 S4: I'm like, like, that's fun. Or I started ballet or like, 706 00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:24,320 S4: had some hard conversations or run 100 KS on Bondi 707 00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:26,930 S4: Beach on the sand, like some are hard, some are physical. 708 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:29,690 S4: But like each one I've learnt something from and this 709 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:33,080 S4: month is is a bloody hard one. Like cost of 710 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,170 S4: living crisis is wild and to live under the poverty 711 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:39,350 S4: line on the website that I found, it's like $489 712 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:41,840 S4: a week for a single person. And then you go 713 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,080 S4: to minus, like your rent bills. You mean it'll be 714 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,570 S4: roughly like 200 bucks? You'd imagine, depending on where you're living, right? 715 00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:50,570 S4: I'm sure for many people it's a lot more than $200. But. 716 00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:52,610 S4: And then you've got to like, I was living off 717 00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:55,190 S4: 250 bucks a week, $35 a day, and I'm like 718 00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:57,440 S4: five days in. And it has just been like each day. 719 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,830 S4: It's so hard to be so conscious of that. Like 720 00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:04,370 S4: $35 a week is wild, like $35 a day. So 721 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,260 S4: it's wild. It's so wild. If you want to like, 722 00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:11,270 S4: transport fuel, move around like buy food. Oh, it's just 723 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,790 S4: it's been it's wild, but a big eye opener that 724 00:32:13,790 --> 00:32:17,300 S4: I take a lot of little things for granted. Mhm. 725 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:19,820 S1: Oh I think it's, I think it's amazing and I 726 00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:21,890 S1: think it's incredible that you're doing it. And as you 727 00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:24,620 S1: said an eye opener I'm sure for a lot of people, 728 00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:27,680 S1: a lot of people and I think it's so, so important. Um, 729 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,750 S1: but I think what you're doing with the challenge, as 730 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:32,210 S1: you said, I think this goes back to you appreciating 731 00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:34,460 S1: the journey to get to the gold, like being able 732 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,960 S1: to come back and realize that there's been so much 733 00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:39,420 S1: you've been getting out of the journey, regardless of the outcome, 734 00:32:39,420 --> 00:32:41,100 S1: and that's why you're going to continue on with stuff 735 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:45,570 S1: like this is amazing in itself. Um, so we want 736 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,930 S1: to we could talk to you for hours, but I 737 00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:51,600 S1: think what we've touched on already, something that you do 738 00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:54,540 S1: do and you do also share, which is also really beautiful, 739 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,600 S1: is write poems. And I think it's so sweet that 740 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,190 S1: you share it because it is, I'm sure, something that 741 00:32:59,190 --> 00:33:02,190 S1: you do for yourself. Um, but I'm sure when you 742 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:03,750 S1: do share it, there's plenty of people who slide in 743 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:05,910 S1: and be like, wow, this really spoke to me. So 744 00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:08,250 S1: it's so beautiful. But we wanted to share one that 745 00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:11,040 S1: you wrote called Inner Shine, if you don't mind, which 746 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,030 S1: is in the chapter The Power of Positivity. Do you mind? 747 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:15,900 S1: Do you want to read it out? 748 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:18,720 S4: Actually? Yeah. You go me your reading is better than 749 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,020 S4: my mind. 750 00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:23,010 S1: No. Okay. But this is you. Okay. But okay, I'll 751 00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:27,570 S1: do it. Okay. I won't stop until you were mine. Failure. 752 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,260 S1: My friend, I thank you. I have unlocked my inner 753 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:35,640 S1: shine inside me. A gold mine. I can feel you 754 00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:39,610 S1: touching my chest. I won't stop until you are mine. 755 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:44,110 S1: For years I thought I wasn't divine. Fuck that. I 756 00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:49,180 S1: have unlocked my inner shine. 15 years on this uphill climb. 757 00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:52,930 S1: No looking back now. I won't stop until you are mine. 758 00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:56,620 S1: I will never be a sheep and stand in line. 759 00:33:56,770 --> 00:34:00,280 S1: I know and understand too much. I have unlocked my 760 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,850 S1: inner shine to all the role models in my life. 761 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:08,590 S1: Positive and negative. Thank you. I won't stop until it's mine. 762 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:14,290 S1: I have unlocked my inner shine. Can you tell us 763 00:34:14,290 --> 00:34:14,469 S1: about it? 764 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:16,510 S4: That was a that was really. Yeah. That was uncomfortable 765 00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:20,890 S4: to listen to that. Um, yeah, that was I that 766 00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:22,750 S4: was one of my first poems. I was like, in 767 00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:24,910 S4: the first six months of writing. Yeah. And it's like, 768 00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:27,370 S4: I think that format I was playing around with formats. 769 00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:29,950 S4: I don't really know the formats of poetry. And I 770 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:32,440 S4: think that's a sonnet maybe. I don't know, it's like 771 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,820 S4: a quite a long one, but I was like, you 772 00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:36,490 S4: have to follow a certain format. So so like classifies 773 00:34:36,489 --> 00:34:40,180 S4: as that type of poem. And um, yeah, that one 774 00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:42,550 S4: is really interesting. It's so interesting that I wrote that 775 00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:45,490 S4: back in 2021. And to think about where I was, 776 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,740 S4: it's like, I think there's something inside of you always 777 00:34:47,739 --> 00:34:50,020 S4: wanting to come out right. It's like maybe when I 778 00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:51,640 S4: wrote that I was having a really good day and 779 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,470 S4: I'm like, yeah, this is like, this is part of 780 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,090 S4: this is me. And it's like, it feels like I'm 781 00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:57,340 S4: that most of the time now, which is nice, uh, 782 00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:59,500 S4: where it's like back then I think I would have 783 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,630 S4: that maybe one day a week where it's like now 784 00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:04,090 S4: it's like five days a week, which is nice. Really nice, 785 00:35:04,090 --> 00:35:05,500 S4: if not more. Yeah. 786 00:35:06,489 --> 00:35:08,470 S2: Was that a written about a gold medal? 787 00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:10,180 S4: Yeah, yeah. 788 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,640 S2: Could you do you feel anything when you hear those 789 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,799 S2: words that it's not actually about the medal? 790 00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:22,300 S4: Um, yeah. I guess I can like the position I'm 791 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,890 S4: in now. Yeah, I can see that. But when I 792 00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:26,140 S4: wrote that, it's like a very much like I'm like, 793 00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:28,629 S4: I felt I needed that. Like, I think there's another 794 00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:30,910 S4: poem in the book. It's about like, my whole identity 795 00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:33,009 S4: was consumed with that of only being a boxer. Like 796 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,440 S4: I Every like every win was just me. It was 797 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,270 S4: my identity. It was me. Like, every time you go 798 00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:40,310 S4: to somewhere, it's like they're talking about your boxing. It's 799 00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:42,860 S4: just like, that's you. Um, where it's like, I don't 800 00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:44,840 S4: feel like that anymore. Which is, I guess, a good 801 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,280 S4: position to be in. Yeah. 802 00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:50,000 S2: And could could it also be about the relationship with yourself? 803 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,370 S4: Yeah. That's. I'm actually going to do it. It's so 804 00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:54,350 S4: funny because I'm actually going to do I plan on it, 805 00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:56,480 S4: a poetry book where it's like, I don't know, 100 806 00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:58,880 S4: of my favorite poems. And then I don't know, because 807 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,340 S4: the best thing about poetry is like, it is so subjective. 808 00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:03,380 S4: Someone would read. Someone would read that and get a 809 00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:05,720 S4: different meaning. It's like a what's a horoscope? It's like 810 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:07,040 S4: you read it and you get the meaning. You make 811 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,100 S4: the meaning of it. And I, I actually wanted to 812 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:11,510 S4: state that at the side of the book that you 813 00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:13,310 S4: create the meaning you want from it, but I also 814 00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:15,680 S4: want to explain what I mean by it. Like this 815 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,450 S4: is my meaning of it, but it's like I understand 816 00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:20,390 S4: that people's meaning is different. Um, so yeah, that's my 817 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:23,209 S4: plan with my second book. Oh. That's amazing. 818 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,130 S1: Yeah, I love that. 819 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,880 S2: Yeah. And I just feel like, I mean, I saw you, like, 820 00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:32,029 S2: in this conversation. Your body language has been the same throughout. Like, 821 00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:34,440 S2: you've really like, leaned in on the table and you're 822 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,739 S2: sitting comfortably. And as soon as Steph started reading, you 823 00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:39,990 S2: looked over to the side and like, swung your chair around, 824 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:42,660 S2: which you haven't. So I could feel that you felt 825 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:45,930 S2: uncomfortable there, but it's just as I was listening to that, 826 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:48,780 S2: I was like, it's just so because I had assumed 827 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:53,430 S2: it was written about the medal. But you've actually done that, 828 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:56,010 S2: all of that, but with the relationship with yourself, you 829 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,410 S2: made me cry. But it's just it's yeah, it's pretty. 830 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,000 S2: It's it's so special. 831 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,670 S4: You reckon it's like the longest relationship we ever have. 832 00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,200 S4: And I think it's so hard in the world we 833 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,610 S4: live in. Like, um, the world is seemingly. It seems 834 00:37:08,610 --> 00:37:11,400 S4: like it's against us, but it's like it's up to us, 835 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,220 S4: especially in Australia. Like a lot of us are so lucky, like, 836 00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:16,200 S4: compared comparatively to the rest of the world. And it's 837 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,230 S4: like if we want a better relationship for our kids 838 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:21,419 S4: in the future or our grandkids or the, you know, 839 00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:23,460 S4: it's like it's up to us now to realise that 840 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:25,020 S4: in the society we live in, it's up to us 841 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,750 S4: and pull back and like, actually take back a little 842 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:29,070 S4: bit of control of our life. 843 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:33,120 S2: Mm, I love that. Thank you. Harry as always, it 844 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,339 S2: has been a pleasure to have you on the podcast. 845 00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:36,780 S2: Thank you for taking the time. We know you just 846 00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:40,169 S2: had so like so much press, so we really appreciate it. 847 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,790 S4: Always good to talk. Thanks guys. 848 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,080 S2: Thank you so much for listening. We hope you enjoyed 849 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,140 S2: the episode. If you ever want to get involved in 850 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:51,450 S2: the Kick Pod, which we would love, there are a 851 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,089 S2: few ways you can do it. You can follow us 852 00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:56,760 S2: and DM us on Instagram. Where at kick pod? That's 853 00:37:56,790 --> 00:38:00,210 S2: kick pod. 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