1 00:00:01,050 --> 00:00:04,560 S1: He acknowledges the traditional owners and custodians of the land 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,940 S1: in which we're recording this podcast. They were wondering why 3 00:00:08,130 --> 00:00:11,760 S1: you weren't and buninyong peoples of the school and nations. 4 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:15,840 S1: We pay our respects to their elders past, present and emerging, 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,169 S1: and extend our respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 6 00:00:19,170 --> 00:00:23,430 S1: peoples today. Welcome to the kick. But your weekly damn 7 00:00:23,430 --> 00:00:25,739 S1: on the stuff that matters once more. 8 00:00:35,170 --> 00:00:37,300 S2: Hello. Hello. How are. 9 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:38,920 S1: You? I'm good. How are you? 10 00:00:38,979 --> 00:00:42,060 S3: I'm good. We're back recording in your spare room, though, 11 00:00:42,070 --> 00:00:42,550 S3: you know. 12 00:00:42,850 --> 00:00:44,890 S1: Podcast machine. Look at us. Go. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:46,850 S3: I think is in fact. 14 00:00:47,620 --> 00:00:49,169 S1: Sitting on the floor of this beverage. 15 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:51,940 S3: It's lovely bringing me back. Well, it's not memories of 16 00:00:51,940 --> 00:00:53,920 S3: COVID because you couldn't record together, but. 17 00:00:54,130 --> 00:00:57,640 S1: But we were sitting both in our spare rooms virtually 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,980 S1: during COVID for so long. 19 00:00:59,980 --> 00:01:01,810 S2: And now you're just on the other side. 20 00:01:01,810 --> 00:01:02,650 S1: Of the bedside table. 21 00:01:04,569 --> 00:01:06,100 S3: Anyway. How. How are you? 22 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:09,399 S1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm. I'm good. Because in about 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,000 S1: an hour, we will be out for dinner together with 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,209 S1: one of our best mates, Mina. And we are well 25 00:01:16,209 --> 00:01:19,180 S1: overdue for, like, a girls night and a bit of 26 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:21,790 S1: a bit of a drink. It'll be nice to catch up, 27 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:23,740 S1: so I'm very, very good. How are you? 28 00:01:24,020 --> 00:01:25,720 S3: I'm this. I imagine I was. I guess I'm going 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,850 S3: to the same dinner and I'm dreading it then I'm 30 00:01:27,850 --> 00:01:31,630 S3: very excited. And do you have a special share for us? 31 00:01:31,930 --> 00:01:33,790 S3: I do. So I'm watching. Or anything else. You want 32 00:01:33,790 --> 00:01:35,060 S3: to talk about me? 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,319 S2: No, not really. 34 00:01:39,850 --> 00:01:42,670 S1: I'm going to Sydney on the weekend. Yes, she'll be. 35 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:46,270 S1: Which will be fun. Them hosting an event by Squarespace 36 00:01:46,270 --> 00:01:47,770 S1: called the Make It Awards, which I'm a little bit 37 00:01:47,770 --> 00:01:49,060 S1: nervous about, but also excited. 38 00:01:49,060 --> 00:01:50,980 S3: I mean, nervous. I don't know why you're nervous. You're 39 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:52,840 S3: literally a killer host. No. 40 00:01:53,110 --> 00:01:56,470 S1: Okay. I was about to kill a host of, like, 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,710 S1: hour tours. Maybe, but I'm not a killer host. I'm 42 00:01:59,710 --> 00:02:00,610 S1: just not. But I'm. 43 00:02:00,610 --> 00:02:02,230 S3: Excited. Positive self-talk. 44 00:02:02,230 --> 00:02:05,260 S1: You are times pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. 45 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:08,080 S1: You know, magic happens. So I'm just excited. It'll be. 46 00:02:08,620 --> 00:02:11,320 S1: That'll be good. And just a little trip from by myself. 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,970 S1: I might do a little bit of what you did 48 00:02:12,970 --> 00:02:15,460 S1: last week in Sydney and take myself out for dinner 49 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:16,989 S1: by myself. 50 00:02:17,770 --> 00:02:19,090 S3: When is it the awards? At night. 51 00:02:19,330 --> 00:02:21,400 S1: Yeah, but like, I have to eat at some point. 52 00:02:22,060 --> 00:02:25,150 S3: Oh, so it's not dinner at the awards you eat after? Yeah. Yeah, 53 00:02:25,150 --> 00:02:28,480 S3: I highly recommend this week. I went on a date 54 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,510 S3: night just as myself and it was just divine. I 55 00:02:31,510 --> 00:02:31,720 S3: used to. 56 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:32,830 S1: Do that all the time when I lived in New 57 00:02:32,830 --> 00:02:33,880 S1: York and I loved it. 58 00:02:34,090 --> 00:02:35,890 S3: So nice. And I think I used to not want 59 00:02:35,889 --> 00:02:37,270 S3: to do it because I was like, Oh, people think 60 00:02:37,270 --> 00:02:39,130 S3: I have no friends. Like, I want to see your chance. 61 00:02:39,130 --> 00:02:41,850 S3: It's so nice. Yeah, yeah. So I say recommend. 62 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,990 S1: I was saying, guys, because Laura put up some stories 63 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:46,510 S1: saying that she went and did that and she loves 64 00:02:46,510 --> 00:02:48,790 S1: sparkling water, this one. And there was one of those 65 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:51,520 S1: green bottles of sparkling water, but it was kind of 66 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,590 S1: in the background of her shot. And so it looked 67 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:56,900 S1: small and I thought it was a beer. And it 68 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:58,720 S1: was so funny because the story was like it took 69 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,520 S1: myself out for dinner, but I had like a glass 70 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,470 S1: of wine in front of her. And on this day 71 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:05,970 S1: I'm like, Oh, so say you mean like, you know. 72 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:10,030 S2: It's like I don't see it going out. 73 00:03:11,310 --> 00:03:13,210 S3: But it was San Pellegrino. 74 00:03:13,210 --> 00:03:18,440 S2: Yes. So it's just me. Oh, check the cameras. It 75 00:03:18,860 --> 00:03:19,840 S2: was just me. 76 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,990 S1: But now I do have a special shower as well. 77 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:27,970 S1: I've been watching the show, codes, everything I know about love. 78 00:03:27,970 --> 00:03:30,670 S1: And it's based on a really, really popular book, which 79 00:03:30,669 --> 00:03:33,790 S1: I think is based off the writer's real stories from 80 00:03:33,790 --> 00:03:37,180 S1: her life. And it's really good. It's kind of like 81 00:03:37,510 --> 00:03:40,480 S1: it pulls on the, like, nostalgia strings because it's the 82 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,370 S1: most of it set kind of in 2015. And the 83 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:46,330 S1: girls in it are in like the twenties. I think 84 00:03:46,330 --> 00:03:49,090 S1: they might be like 24, 23 and it's 2015. So 85 00:03:49,570 --> 00:03:51,700 S1: obviously like we were a little bit younger at that point, 86 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:55,300 S1: but just in the fashion that they're wearing and like 87 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:57,310 S1: the music that's playing, there's all that sort of stuff. 88 00:03:57,310 --> 00:04:01,150 S1: But also I feel like everything that happens so far anyway, 89 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:03,400 S1: it's just like I feel like there's this little part 90 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:05,620 S1: that everyone can relate to. I think as a young 91 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:09,760 S1: woman growing up and maybe moving out on their own 92 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,150 S1: or their friendships kind of going through waves and meeting 93 00:04:13,150 --> 00:04:15,130 S1: boys and all that sort of stuff, or just getting 94 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:18,250 S1: into the dating dating scheme. And it was just like, Yeah, 95 00:04:18,250 --> 00:04:20,440 S1: it's I'm enjoying it. It's easy. It's easy to watch. 96 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,169 S1: It's nothing like, you know, ground breaking. But I'm enjoying it. 97 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,370 S3: And I've seen it advertised everywhere. Is it unsane? 98 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:29,440 S1: Yes. 99 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,500 S3: That's I think it's Unsane because I, I've driven past 100 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:34,419 S3: a lot of billboards. I think they're doing a lot 101 00:04:34,420 --> 00:04:35,029 S3: of advertising. 102 00:04:35,070 --> 00:04:35,680 S1: I believe it is. 103 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:38,500 S3: I mean, it's not sponsored, though. It's a free ad from. 104 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:38,820 S2: Sick. 105 00:04:39,370 --> 00:04:41,610 S3: People. But no, I really, really, really want to watch it. 106 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:43,630 S1: Yeah, no, I think you'd like it. Yeah. 107 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,320 S3: Do you have a special. Yeah. Yes. And I, I 108 00:04:46,330 --> 00:04:48,010 S3: don't know if I don't think you would have had 109 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:49,869 S3: time to watch it because I watched it on the 110 00:04:49,870 --> 00:04:53,289 S3: plane and I got I loved it. I got on 111 00:04:53,290 --> 00:04:56,080 S3: the plane on Wednesday night and I was like, I'm 112 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,390 S3: going to download something. And I saw J.Lo and I 113 00:04:58,390 --> 00:05:00,160 S3: was like, I usually like movies with J-Lo. It must 114 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,039 S3: be a new movie download, but it was actually Atari. 115 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,060 S3: Me No, it was it was a her documentary. Oh, 116 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:11,200 S3: it's called Halftime and it is really, really good. Oh, cool. 117 00:05:11,230 --> 00:05:13,870 S3: I haven't thought a lot about J-Lo in my life. 118 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:14,320 S3: That's true. 119 00:05:14,330 --> 00:05:15,790 S1: I don't really know much about her. 120 00:05:15,820 --> 00:05:19,870 S3: No, but it's you watch it and you just get these, 121 00:05:19,870 --> 00:05:22,450 S3: like the level of respect I have for her. I 122 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:24,940 S3: love it when you watch it. Oh, my God. I 123 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:25,839 S3: didn't have it before. 124 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,670 S1: I just know. But really think about it. Yeah, yeah. 125 00:05:27,670 --> 00:05:29,920 S3: Yeah, yeah. So it was really interesting. It speaks a 126 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,040 S3: lot as well about she was in the Super Bowl halftime. 127 00:05:33,130 --> 00:05:35,570 S3: I'm guessing it's. It's called halftime performance. And maybe also 128 00:05:35,570 --> 00:05:37,430 S3: because you turned 50 and I don't know, I just 129 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:40,400 S3: made that up. I'm not sure. But the Super Bowl 130 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,370 S3: performance in 2020, she was in the middle and she headlined, 131 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,010 S3: which is like a huge obviously amazing. I think it's 132 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:47,539 S3: they kind of said it in the show. It's the 133 00:05:47,779 --> 00:05:50,150 S3: best thing that you can kind of do. But they 134 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:52,909 S3: had it obviously is a Latino woman. She was so 135 00:05:52,910 --> 00:05:55,039 S3: proud to do it. But they put her with Shakira, 136 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,200 S3: which there's no beef between the two of them. But 137 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,170 S3: it was really interesting seeing that play out and that 138 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:02,540 S3: they kind of said, well, why couldn't you just have 139 00:06:02,540 --> 00:06:04,010 S3: one of us? It's like we're not enough when you 140 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:06,950 S3: usually have one artist, but they had to share it, 141 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:10,640 S3: which was interesting, but just the way that she she 142 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,740 S3: also said it was interesting. She she spoke about if 143 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:14,540 S3: she had have done these things that she was doing 144 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:18,230 S3: and also her new movie or her new ish movie, hustlers. Hustlers. 145 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:20,750 S3: She got nominated for a few things, but she also me. 146 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:23,060 S3: It was really good acting by her. It's a. 147 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:24,589 S1: Good movie, you know, saying it is a. 148 00:06:24,589 --> 00:06:27,280 S3: Happy, happy. And she missed a lot of it. There 149 00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:28,850 S3: was a few awards that she missed out on and 150 00:06:28,850 --> 00:06:31,280 S3: just like seeing the disappointment in her when she didn't 151 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,080 S3: get it and when she put so much into that movie, 152 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:36,650 S3: she was also producing it. And it was so interesting 153 00:06:36,650 --> 00:06:38,450 S3: to hear her speak about it because when she was 154 00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:41,300 S3: really down, she then reflected that like, I don't do this. 155 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:43,790 S3: No one is going to have impact from me because 156 00:06:44,270 --> 00:06:46,970 S3: I love you, because you won three Grammys. It's going 157 00:06:46,970 --> 00:06:48,799 S3: to be like, I love you because you sang the 158 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,900 S3: song and it got me through blah. Or you inspired 159 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:53,330 S3: me to turn out to be able to do whatever 160 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:53,630 S3: it might, but. 161 00:06:53,630 --> 00:06:55,070 S1: It's still nice to get like it. 162 00:06:55,070 --> 00:06:57,380 S3: Is. It is, but it was nice to see her. 163 00:06:57,410 --> 00:06:59,059 S3: It was just it was so true. It's such a 164 00:06:59,060 --> 00:07:00,950 S3: reminder that I think sometimes we think that we need 165 00:07:00,950 --> 00:07:03,950 S3: all of these other forms of validation when it's like 166 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:06,380 S3: if you're making an impact, that's the most important thing. 167 00:07:06,380 --> 00:07:09,500 S1: But it's also kind of cool to be reminded that like, 168 00:07:09,530 --> 00:07:12,470 S1: you know, celebrities on whatever level are always just normal 169 00:07:12,470 --> 00:07:16,550 S1: people who hold themselves to like a certain level. And still, 170 00:07:16,580 --> 00:07:18,710 S1: you know, no matter how famous they might be or 171 00:07:18,710 --> 00:07:20,540 S1: no matter how much money they make, it's like when 172 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:23,450 S1: things like this happen and then nominated for someone for something, 173 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:26,530 S1: they're still kind of bummed if they don't win. You know, 174 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:27,860 S1: I feel like there's like a lot of. 175 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:28,910 S3: Real because you think they're. 176 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:30,460 S1: You're just like that. 177 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,920 S3: They don't exactly need it to feel like they've done enough. 178 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,490 S3: But for J.Lo listening, it was like she felt what change? 179 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:38,330 S3: It's like she felt like she had to do these things, 180 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:41,270 S3: like validate her career. And it was interesting, too, when 181 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:45,380 S3: she got the Super Bowl halftime performance, she she had said, 182 00:07:45,380 --> 00:07:48,020 S3: I wouldn't have been able to do this because she's 183 00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:50,900 S3: wanted it forever. But five years ago, ten years ago, 184 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:52,340 S3: 58 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to do 185 00:07:52,340 --> 00:07:54,140 S3: it because I wasn't ready to give it what I 186 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:55,790 S3: was able to give it. And I didn't know enough. 187 00:07:55,790 --> 00:07:57,950 S3: And it was so interesting because she's you know, she's 188 00:07:57,950 --> 00:08:00,290 S3: 50 years old. She's been in the industry for such 189 00:08:00,290 --> 00:08:02,420 S3: a long time. And it was kind of I don't 190 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:04,670 S3: know what the word is like. Not humbling, but just 191 00:08:04,670 --> 00:08:06,740 S3: like I felt more at pace. And it's kind of 192 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:09,290 S3: like if someone like J.Lo wasn't ready to do this 193 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:11,780 S3: huge like to perform at the Super Bowl when she 194 00:08:12,020 --> 00:08:14,930 S3: had such a successful career from very early on, just 195 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:16,760 S3: kind of I was like, oh, maybe we need to 196 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,430 S3: put less pressure on ourselves. You do? Because even J.Lo 197 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:20,989 S3: is like, you know, wasn't ready for the Super Bowl 198 00:08:20,990 --> 00:08:24,380 S3: introduced fifties. And it was I really enjoyed it. I 199 00:08:24,380 --> 00:08:26,690 S3: really love it. I highly recommend on Netflix. Yeah. 200 00:08:26,690 --> 00:08:27,500 S1: Cool. Thanks. 201 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:29,780 S3: It's about an hour and a half. Love it. Right. Which. 202 00:08:29,870 --> 00:08:32,360 S1: Oh, my gosh. I love that. Well, thank you. I'm 203 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,860 S1: going to do that one. You're welcome. 204 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:34,750 S2: And then. Okay. 205 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:38,240 S3: And now for another great watch. 206 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,630 S2: A life workout of Laura. I'm not sure you. 207 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:47,000 S3: Can be compared to Jay J-Lo's documentary. 208 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:47,950 S2: But. 209 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:51,650 S3: No, it's also filmed on an iPhone. I feel like 210 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:53,150 S3: they had better production. 211 00:08:53,150 --> 00:08:54,410 S2: In the documentary. 212 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:55,880 S3: Not a knee joke. I don't get jokes. 213 00:08:56,210 --> 00:08:59,110 S1: What Laura is speaking about is part of workout. In winter. 214 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,020 S1: We are running lives within the app every fortnight. You 215 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:05,270 S1: might have joined in on the one that I did 216 00:09:05,270 --> 00:09:09,470 S1: with Larry the other week. So this one is coming 217 00:09:09,470 --> 00:09:12,859 S1: up on Monday at 7 a.m., first thing in the 218 00:09:12,860 --> 00:09:16,460 S1: morning with Leah and Lucy. And you'll be getting taken 219 00:09:16,460 --> 00:09:18,990 S1: through a 30 minute full body strength in a powerful 220 00:09:18,990 --> 00:09:21,770 S1: ladies flow, and it is that workout for the day. 221 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:23,780 S1: So it's kind of like if you're in the workout 222 00:09:23,780 --> 00:09:25,400 S1: and Winter Challenge and you're going to be logging on 223 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,020 S1: and doing it anyway, you might as well do it 224 00:09:27,020 --> 00:09:31,069 S1: live with hundreds of others. And Lucy it's very exciting. 225 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:32,240 S3: I'm very, very excited. 226 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,460 S1: Yeah. So all you have to do is be in 227 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:38,040 S1: the app to access the live and you will, you 228 00:09:38,059 --> 00:09:40,550 S1: will send out some reminders, but you'll also see a 229 00:09:40,550 --> 00:09:44,060 S1: reminder in the first banner on our home page, and 230 00:09:44,059 --> 00:09:45,950 S1: that is actually where you click in to find the 231 00:09:45,950 --> 00:09:46,280 S1: live as. 232 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,679 S3: Well, which is in the app. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, I'm 233 00:09:48,950 --> 00:09:51,620 S3: looking forward to it. Looking forward to it. End yeah. 234 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:52,850 S3: You into recipes. 235 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,189 S1: Oh, they're so good. They're so yummy. 236 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:55,849 S3: What's your favorite? 237 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:59,780 S1: My favorite has been the baked mushroom and chicken risotto. 238 00:09:59,809 --> 00:10:00,500 S1: I am a. 239 00:10:00,620 --> 00:10:01,880 S3: Sucker. You love risotto. 240 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,069 S1: I do. I really do. And it's just for me, 241 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:08,510 S1: it's like it's just warm and yummy and so filling. 242 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:13,189 S1: And that recipe serves six and like sometimes like Josh 243 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:16,070 S1: and I, because we just love our food, just like 244 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:20,390 S1: sometimes we, you know, well more than the nutritional recipe servings, 245 00:10:20,390 --> 00:10:24,320 S1: but this one is like so deliciously filling and rich 246 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,560 S1: and everything that like it definitely goes like the six 247 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,300 S1: person serving, if you know what I mean. And it 248 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:31,400 S1: was so good because I had leftovers all week and 249 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:31,940 S1: it was snow. 250 00:10:31,940 --> 00:10:34,140 S3: And I bet if Dalton and I. No. 251 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,199 S2: No. If you're giving it to. 252 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,790 S1: Me, you know who. 253 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:42,020 S3: It is in our household for one night and one 254 00:10:42,020 --> 00:10:44,750 S3: night only. So it's a good it's a good meal. 255 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,900 S3: What if what you're saying goes and it's a good, 256 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:50,839 S3: like meal prep batch? Really. 257 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:54,170 S1: Really great meal prep. I thoroughly enjoyed having it for 258 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:54,920 S1: the rest of the week. 259 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,410 S3: I love it. I love the bacon gnocchi. Oh, yeah. 260 00:10:57,530 --> 00:10:59,750 S3: Definitely will serve not only to be able, but in 261 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:02,689 S3: our house one not only. 262 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:04,640 S2: But one not. 263 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,480 S3: Only is the name of something. I don't know anyway to. 264 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,450 S2: Move on from you. 265 00:11:09,890 --> 00:11:12,830 S1: But yeah, I highly recommend trying out new winter recipes. 266 00:11:12,830 --> 00:11:14,150 S1: They are so scrumptious. 267 00:11:14,330 --> 00:11:16,280 S3: Yeah they're really good in the cake out. Or you 268 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,540 S3: can look at the website too if you want. You 269 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:18,109 S3: can look at what. 270 00:11:18,130 --> 00:11:18,589 S2: A vendor. 271 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:21,470 S3: And we still have our. If you want a drink, 272 00:11:21,710 --> 00:11:24,920 S3: you can also join for $25 for three months. You 273 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,450 S3: can sign up by the app or the website. 274 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,050 S1: Yes, that is a limited time offer. But as always, 275 00:11:30,050 --> 00:11:32,689 S1: we also separate to that have a seven day free trial. 276 00:11:32,929 --> 00:11:37,520 S3: So today we have got the incredible live Rodgers on 277 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,610 S3: the podcast for the third time, which is very exciting. 278 00:11:40,610 --> 00:11:42,920 S3: We love chatting to Live. Live was actually one of 279 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,030 S3: our panelists on the kick tour and we obviously we 280 00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:48,980 S3: didn't recall the hit show and this is definitely a 281 00:11:48,980 --> 00:11:50,840 S3: different chat, but we were like, We will not do 282 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,449 S3: live again because we've it just has so much amazing 283 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:57,520 S3: advice and I just love listening to her tell the story. 284 00:11:57,530 --> 00:12:00,469 S1: Say she's so open and roll on social media. She 285 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:04,520 S1: speaks quite openly about her experience with her skin journey 286 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:08,810 S1: and that she's, you know, she's gone sober, she's in sobriety, 287 00:12:08,809 --> 00:12:11,150 S1: and she speaks really openly about that, which is great 288 00:12:11,150 --> 00:12:14,390 S1: because it's kind of helping remove the stigma around, you know, 289 00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:17,540 S1: drinking and stopping drinking and doing that for yourself. She's 290 00:12:17,540 --> 00:12:20,150 S1: also just a brush of fresh air. I think the 291 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:23,540 S1: way that she speaks so honestly about things and she 292 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:26,179 S1: is like so sure of who she is and the 293 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:28,040 S1: direction she wants to go in, but she hasn't always 294 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,079 S1: been that way. So she's just got a really good 295 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,300 S1: way of kind of telling her story and how she 296 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:34,370 S1: kind of works that out. So I hope you guys 297 00:12:34,370 --> 00:12:37,600 S1: enjoy this podcast live. 298 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:39,800 S3: Welcome to the Geek Pod. Thanks. 299 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,690 S4: It's so nice to do this with you in person 300 00:12:41,690 --> 00:12:42,319 S4: this time. 301 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:45,290 S3: We're so excited to have you. And also just everyone listening. 302 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:46,819 S3: I don't think it's going to make any difference, but 303 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:48,589 S3: Steph and I are sharing a microphone. 304 00:12:48,650 --> 00:12:51,110 S1: It's literally going to be neither insecticide. 305 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:52,780 S3: It's going to make no difference. This is a bit 306 00:12:52,790 --> 00:12:55,010 S3: finally going to like pop our heads in. But anyway, 307 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:58,490 S3: we have one very good man. But anyway, leave your 308 00:12:58,490 --> 00:13:04,280 S3: microphone is working well and that's okay. I'm so that 309 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,950 S3: is what it's about. Thank you. Obviously Steph is finding 310 00:13:06,950 --> 00:13:10,459 S3: me quite writing this morning. Anyway, leave. Okay, so we 311 00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:13,850 S3: have had you on the podcast before and you also 312 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:16,700 S3: that was about maybe like 18 and maybe more two 313 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:18,319 S3: years ago the first time. 314 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,870 S4: Yeah, but we've, we've done one in between. We had 315 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:22,130 S4: to virtual. 316 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:23,930 S3: Have we done three now. 317 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:24,860 S4: This is not a three. 318 00:13:24,950 --> 00:13:27,660 S3: I'm going to reply. No I'm so glad. 319 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,030 S2: We're so grateful to have. 320 00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:30,589 S3: You. And you also came on the kick tour. 321 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:33,260 S4: Yeah, I did. I know I can't get enough of 322 00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:34,449 S4: kick off. 323 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:37,489 S3: Maybe we can't get enough of you anyway. So just 324 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:39,440 S3: start off with We would love for you. And this 325 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,939 S3: is actually a new question, so I don't think you 326 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:43,130 S3: would have entered this last time. Okay. We would love 327 00:13:43,130 --> 00:13:45,710 S3: for you to introduce yourself because obviously there's a lot 328 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:48,080 S3: of buyer's about you online. And, you know, there's all 329 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,939 S3: these things that that you do that are incredible. But 330 00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:52,760 S3: if you could write your own intro and your own buy, 331 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,380 S3: what would you say? Who are you? 332 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:57,650 S4: I always find this question tricky because, like you said, 333 00:13:57,650 --> 00:14:00,770 S4: there are a few different tabs, a few different ways 334 00:14:00,770 --> 00:14:04,280 S4: that I'm described. And, you know, I know we're going 335 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,120 S4: to be talking about confidence and self-belief, but I also 336 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:11,570 S4: sometimes cringe at myself when I introduce myself. I don't 337 00:14:11,570 --> 00:14:12,590 S4: know if you guys get that. 338 00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:14,929 S3: But I own it. 339 00:14:15,380 --> 00:14:17,689 S4: I know you do. You do. And I tell people that. 340 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:20,420 S4: But then I started to take my own advice. I 341 00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:22,640 S4: think for me, the first thing that sort of comes 342 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,060 S4: to mind is like that. I'm a nerdy speech pathologist 343 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:29,450 S4: from Adelaide who just happened to, you know, have a 344 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:32,270 S4: big change in careers. And now I'm just trying to 345 00:14:32,660 --> 00:14:35,210 S4: help people in, in any which way I can. 346 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:37,940 S1: I suppose we did want to touch on, you know, 347 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:39,950 S1: the last time we chatted or maybe it was the 348 00:14:39,950 --> 00:14:42,350 S1: time before that because we've forgotten how many times we 349 00:14:42,350 --> 00:14:44,660 S1: tried to do, which is awesome. You did talk to 350 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:48,530 S1: that experience of going from space physiology and leaving that 351 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:50,690 S1: and going off and doing your own thing. And you've 352 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:53,330 S1: done many amazing things since then. I mean, you're an 353 00:14:53,330 --> 00:14:57,470 S1: author of a beautiful book and you've done some incredible collaborations, 354 00:14:57,470 --> 00:15:00,710 S1: that one that we both really love with Bianco, it 355 00:15:00,710 --> 00:15:03,650 S1: was such a beautiful launch and the jury is beautiful, 356 00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:06,110 S1: so well done. You must feel very proud of all 357 00:15:06,110 --> 00:15:08,780 S1: of that. But how how do you feel since we 358 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:11,060 S1: last spoke and everything that's been going on, how do 359 00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:14,000 S1: you feel in yourself? Are you proud? I am proud. 360 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,570 S4: I feel like that's a tricky one in Australia because 361 00:15:17,570 --> 00:15:19,790 S4: I think it's something we've spoken about before. Maybe it 362 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:22,550 S4: was on the kick to how we have sort of 363 00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:24,680 S4: been taught, like you've got to believe in yourself and 364 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,830 S4: be confident, but don't be too confident because then you're arrogant. 365 00:15:28,190 --> 00:15:29,720 S4: So it is kind of hard to be like, Yeah, 366 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,790 S4: I'm really proud of myself, but. But I am. And 367 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,120 S4: I think in this. Industry. It's tricky because there are 368 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,880 S4: such high highs. Like, you know, publishing a book is 369 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,260 S4: so exciting and amazing and being part of a jury 370 00:15:41,330 --> 00:15:44,480 S4: collaboration is so exciting and amazing. And there are lots 371 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,739 S4: of other things I've got in the works that are 372 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:48,740 S4: quite big and exciting. Then I think the day to 373 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:52,130 S4: day stuff can feel so different. It's such a contrast, 374 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:55,010 S4: so it's hard to sort of keep backing yourself when 375 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:57,440 S4: there are those periods of time where it's not as 376 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,860 S4: busy or it's not as maybe in your face. Because 377 00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:02,390 S4: I feel like people like, Oh, what are you working 378 00:16:02,390 --> 00:16:04,130 S4: on now? Like people are waiting for you to tell 379 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:07,280 S4: them the next big thing. So there's this pressure too, 380 00:16:07,490 --> 00:16:09,140 S4: to live up to that, I think, and that can 381 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:11,360 S4: be tricky. So I think I do have to sort 382 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,240 S4: of keep backing myself and remembering, you know, where I 383 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,580 S4: came from and what I have done and reflecting on 384 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:17,930 S4: that definitely helps. 385 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:20,930 S1: Oh, yeah. Amazing. And with the book for for one 386 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:23,570 S1: of those things that you have done was that something 387 00:16:23,570 --> 00:16:25,940 S1: like because obviously when you're writing something like that, you 388 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:28,130 S1: revisit a lot of things. Did that make you feel 389 00:16:28,130 --> 00:16:30,020 S1: immensely proud of how far you've come and what was 390 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:33,590 S1: your favorite part about? Like when you were writing or 391 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:34,460 S1: actually writing? 392 00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:37,280 S4: It was so hard. Yeah, I found it is so, 393 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,330 S4: so hard. I think I thought that I would find 394 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:44,060 S4: it therapeutic the whole way through because I was writing 395 00:16:44,060 --> 00:16:48,020 S4: a lot about really difficult times in my life, because 396 00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:50,600 S4: the intention of the book is to help people going 397 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,570 S4: through similar experiences. So I was really digging deep and 398 00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:58,880 S4: and visiting some tricky, tricky stuff and it was hard. Like, 399 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,610 S4: I found it hard revisiting it. And then you read, 400 00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:03,320 S4: you guys would know with your book, like you read 401 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,969 S4: over it so many times, you have to edit it 402 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:07,340 S4: so many times and then it gets sent off and 403 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:09,139 S4: gets edited, comes back. You've got to read through the 404 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:11,570 S4: whole thing. And by the end of it all, I 405 00:17:11,570 --> 00:17:14,870 S4: was so over it and I was like, This is, 406 00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:18,200 S4: this is so shit. I don't like this book anymore. Like, 407 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,659 S4: is anybody going to like this? I think it's like anything. 408 00:17:20,660 --> 00:17:23,180 S4: When you look at it too many times, it's hard 409 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:26,179 S4: to see it from a different lens. So it was 410 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:28,429 S4: really hard. But now that it's done and once it 411 00:17:28,430 --> 00:17:30,590 S4: was sent off to be printed and everything, and I 412 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:34,280 S4: couldn't nitpick and touch it anymore, then I was like, okay, 413 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,280 S4: this is good. And having the feedback from people, you know, 414 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,840 S4: all I wanted was to reach other people and hopefully help, 415 00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:44,570 S4: you know, one person was my it was my goal. 416 00:17:44,570 --> 00:17:48,050 S4: I was trying to not focus on book sales and 417 00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:50,330 S4: all of that stuff because I think you can get 418 00:17:50,330 --> 00:17:53,119 S4: bogged down in all of that. So I just hope 419 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,700 S4: that it would reach people and help people. And, you know, 420 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,940 S4: the messages that I get from from girls or from 421 00:17:58,940 --> 00:18:03,290 S4: mothers or sisters or even brothers saying that the book 422 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:05,990 S4: has helped a family member or helped them in some way. 423 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:09,020 S4: Like that's the most amazing thing to me. And it 424 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:11,630 S4: was all worth it. All of that pain and all 425 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:12,200 S4: the tears. 426 00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:16,070 S3: So leave you you touched before on the high highs 427 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:19,850 S3: and the lows. Lows. And I think while obviously what 428 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,030 S3: what we do is unique in some ways and there's 429 00:18:23,030 --> 00:18:24,530 S3: a lot of people listening that that might have a 430 00:18:24,530 --> 00:18:25,639 S3: 9 to 5 job and so it might be a 431 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,060 S3: little bit different. But I think that is definitely something 432 00:18:29,060 --> 00:18:31,160 S3: that a lot of people can relate to in that, 433 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,480 S3: you know, you might be at work working on a 434 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,520 S3: really exciting project and that that, you know, there's the 435 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,489 S3: in-between things or the parts of your job and our 436 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:40,070 S3: jobs that we don't actually enjoy. But, you know, they 437 00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:42,230 S3: come with it. And I think there's kind of at 438 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:44,840 S3: the moment there's a lot of people kind of and 439 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,400 S3: from COVID, a lot of people went through a lot 440 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,040 S3: of change and thinking about him, I'm in the right career, 441 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,290 S3: am I in the right company and all of those things. 442 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,199 S3: But I think it's also important. Obviously, that's such a 443 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,810 S3: good thing to think about and reflect on. But then 444 00:18:56,810 --> 00:18:58,820 S3: at the same time, I think it's also really important 445 00:18:58,820 --> 00:19:02,209 S3: to acknowledge that not every job is you're not going 446 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:05,300 S3: to love every second of I don't think I've ever 447 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:08,000 S3: met anyone in my whole life that has loved every 448 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,880 S3: second of everything that they do, because there's always things that, 449 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,460 S3: you know, are really hard. So I wanted to ask 450 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,800 S3: for you in particular when you kind of have to 451 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,869 S3: navigate those really high highs and then into a lot 452 00:19:18,890 --> 00:19:20,660 S3: like a low. And when you say low, low, it's 453 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:22,850 S3: not that it's a sad time, it's just that, you know, 454 00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:24,830 S3: you might not have this huge thing. It's like, you know, 455 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:26,389 S3: you got all your publicity and your press and your 456 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:28,670 S3: book and you're doing all these interviews and you're probably 457 00:19:28,670 --> 00:19:31,760 S3: back to back, you know, for like three weeks and 458 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,340 S3: then you have a week of nothing. And I find 459 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:35,800 S3: that and when I say nothing, it's just like not 460 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:38,220 S3: not as busy. It's not, you know, 8 a.m. to 461 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:41,810 S3: 8 p.m. interviews. And it is really hard to sit 462 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:44,120 S3: in that space and not be like, Oh, I should 463 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,609 S3: be doing things, I should be doing things and you 464 00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:48,260 S3: more because you just think of comparison and kind of 465 00:19:48,260 --> 00:19:49,970 S3: you go into that trap and then you kind of 466 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:52,490 S3: get in a spiral. So how do you the longest 467 00:19:52,490 --> 00:19:54,980 S3: winded question ever, but how do you navigate that and 468 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:55,760 S3: all those feelings? 469 00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:59,899 S4: I think it's just coming back to your purpose and 470 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:03,890 S4: why you're doing what you're doing. And I'm so glad 471 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:06,980 S4: that I went back to speech pathology and did that 472 00:20:06,980 --> 00:20:09,379 S4: for a while and tried to navigate everything all at 473 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:12,800 S4: once and then stepped away from it. Because I think 474 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,050 S4: when I have those moments, I'm like, Oh, well, I 475 00:20:15,050 --> 00:20:18,140 S4: should be doing more. I should probably go back to speech. 476 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,340 S4: But because I had that experience and it almost broke 477 00:20:22,340 --> 00:20:25,909 S4: me because I was so stressed, I'm I'm glad I 478 00:20:25,910 --> 00:20:28,189 S4: don't fall into that anymore. Like, I feel like it's 479 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:31,790 S4: a bit of a trap where you have those, those lulls, 480 00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:34,359 S4: I suppose, in what you're doing and. Then you're thinking, Oh, 481 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:35,920 S4: am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing more? 482 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,649 S4: So you just have to come back to why you're 483 00:20:38,650 --> 00:20:40,540 S4: doing what you're doing, what your purpose is, what your 484 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:44,440 S4: goals are, and just keep reflecting on that. I think 485 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:46,320 S4: you have it in front of you on your desk. 486 00:20:46,330 --> 00:20:49,660 S4: I've got a little notebook that has, you know, my 487 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:51,850 S4: to do list as well as my goals. And I 488 00:20:51,850 --> 00:20:54,460 S4: just yeah, I just try to reflect on that and 489 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,640 S4: not put too much pressure on myself and try not 490 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,560 S4: to compare myself to other people because we're all on 491 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,260 S4: different paths. And you know, even though I am doing 492 00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:05,290 S4: similar things to some people, no two people are exactly 493 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:07,570 S4: the same and none of us are doing the exact 494 00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:10,270 S4: same thing. You know, even you and Steph, like you 495 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:12,820 S4: guys work together and you have this business together, but 496 00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:15,640 S4: you're still so different and you're still on different paths. 497 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,490 S4: So and I think that's really cool. So I think 498 00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:20,460 S4: it's so important to not get caught up in in 499 00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:23,350 S4: comparison and just really reflect on why you're doing what 500 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:25,930 S4: you're doing. And if it is not the right thing 501 00:21:25,930 --> 00:21:28,149 S4: for you, then you figure that out by reflecting on it. 502 00:21:28,570 --> 00:21:30,850 S1: Yeah. And I think I think I mean, I can 503 00:21:30,850 --> 00:21:33,729 S1: speak from personal obviously from for myself. I feel like 504 00:21:33,730 --> 00:21:36,130 S1: the older I'm getting, the more sure of I set myself. 505 00:21:36,130 --> 00:21:38,379 S1: I am and I know who I am and where 506 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:40,660 S1: I'm going and I can always kind of come back 507 00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:42,490 S1: to that. Are you feeling that too? Like as you 508 00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:44,080 S1: get older, you are becoming more and more sure of 509 00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:46,900 S1: the direction you want to go. And so if something 510 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:49,450 S1: isn't necessarily serving you or is it making you feel 511 00:21:49,450 --> 00:21:52,090 S1: as excited, you know that there's some other way you 512 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:55,350 S1: can pivot to make it work for you and like, 513 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,590 S1: you know who you are. You know what you want 514 00:21:56,590 --> 00:21:58,900 S1: to do. What would you say to someone who might 515 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:02,140 S1: be a little bit younger? And like, obviously, you know, 516 00:22:02,260 --> 00:22:04,420 S1: it's one of those things that I think the older 517 00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:06,280 S1: you get, the more experience you have. It's something you 518 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,439 S1: do learn. But what are some words of wisdom? I 519 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,770 S1: think for people who continue to have self-doubt in what 520 00:22:11,770 --> 00:22:14,110 S1: they're doing or in themselves and who maybe haven't really 521 00:22:14,109 --> 00:22:16,419 S1: found out who they are, I mean, I feel like 522 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:17,800 S1: we never really get to a point where it's like 523 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,570 S1: we're done and this is who I am and, you know, 524 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:22,690 S1: my mold is finished. But yeah, what would you say 525 00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:25,060 S1: to someone who who's still trying to figure out how 526 00:22:25,060 --> 00:22:27,129 S1: to know that they're going in the right direction? 527 00:22:27,609 --> 00:22:29,800 S4: I think you need to experiment like you've got to 528 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,770 S4: give things go, because if you just stick to one 529 00:22:32,770 --> 00:22:35,980 S4: path because you think you're supposed to like, for example, 530 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:40,390 S4: with speech pathology. I remember when I was about to, 531 00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:42,280 S4: you know, go out into the big wide world and 532 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,500 S4: try and get a job. Once I'd finish my degree, 533 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,250 S4: we had this session and it was all about your 534 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,869 S4: like social footprint, social media footprint and what you were 535 00:22:52,869 --> 00:22:54,910 S4: putting out there to the world and how that was 536 00:22:54,910 --> 00:23:00,730 S4: going to impact your potential work. And we had this 537 00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:02,560 S4: lecture and I said to her, like, I don't know 538 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,810 S4: what to do because she was saying, you know, you've 539 00:23:04,810 --> 00:23:07,600 S4: got to have a Twitter, you've got to have, you know, 540 00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:11,020 S4: make your Instagram private and be really careful about what's 541 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:15,010 S4: on Facebook. And all of your social media stuff should 542 00:23:15,010 --> 00:23:18,400 S4: go hand in hand with your work. And I said, Well, 543 00:23:18,609 --> 00:23:20,649 S4: you know, I do want to be a speech pathologist, 544 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:23,139 S4: but I also have my art. And and at the time, 545 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:25,720 S4: I think I had maybe 10,000 followers on Instagram just 546 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,870 S4: from like posting random modeling stuff and that kind of thing. 547 00:23:28,869 --> 00:23:31,150 S4: So I said, you know, I've got all these different 548 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:33,340 S4: tabs and I don't want to close them off. Like 549 00:23:33,340 --> 00:23:36,010 S4: I don't think that I should have to. So how 550 00:23:36,010 --> 00:23:38,110 S4: should I navigate that? And she said, Now you've kind 551 00:23:38,109 --> 00:23:40,540 S4: of got to pick one thing. And that was such 552 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:43,780 S4: bad advice because I was saying to her, like, I 553 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:46,150 S4: don't want to do that. But she was like, Now, look, 554 00:23:46,150 --> 00:23:48,670 S4: if you if you want to be a speech pathologist, 555 00:23:48,670 --> 00:23:52,000 S4: then you've got to focus on that and, you know, 556 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,000 S4: give it your all and not focus on the other things. 557 00:23:55,869 --> 00:23:58,540 S4: And in hindsight, I'm so glad I didn't listen to her. 558 00:23:58,540 --> 00:24:00,790 S4: Like what I did was make sure that my social 559 00:24:00,790 --> 00:24:05,400 S4: media was. I guess appropriate in in all different settings 560 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,490 S4: and that I could have a potential boss look at 561 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:11,730 S4: my page and think, yeah, I would hire her even 562 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:14,550 S4: though she does all these other things. But I think, 563 00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:16,560 S4: you know, it can be if you do listen to 564 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,240 S4: people like that who are telling you you've got to 565 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,480 S4: do one thing, then you cut off all your other 566 00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:25,590 S4: potential opportunities by narrowing yourself down and focusing in on 567 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,170 S4: maybe the wrong thing. So I think it's staying open 568 00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:30,840 S4: minded and that can be daunting because then you're like, Well, 569 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,550 S4: what is it? What is the thing? But you'll get 570 00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:35,189 S4: there eventually. I think, you know, it's trial and error 571 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:37,200 S4: and you've got to give things going to figure out 572 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,790 S4: whether they are for you or not. 573 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,879 S3: That is such good advice lately, I think, to thinking 574 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,240 S3: about that university lecturer. I feel like that type of 575 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,449 S3: thinking is just we need to move away from that 576 00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:51,750 S3: because it's kind of inferring that to be a speech 577 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:54,060 S3: pathologist or whatever the career might be, you need to 578 00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:56,970 S3: look and be a certain way and like you have 579 00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:58,919 S3: to be this fit into this exact mode or you 580 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,140 S3: can't do it. And I think what and it's amazing 581 00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:03,240 S3: all of the kind of the young generation coming up now. 582 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,250 S3: I feel like they're doing such a good job of 583 00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:08,970 S3: challenging those things and challenging the norms. And so, yeah, 584 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:11,909 S3: it's so important. It's hard though. I feel like for 585 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,850 S3: young people, if you are kind of your university lecturer 586 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:16,470 S3: is probably someone that you look up to, like we 587 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:19,139 S3: are told in this system that this person is someone 588 00:25:19,140 --> 00:25:20,730 S3: who we're meant to listen to and you're doing a 589 00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:24,210 S3: class on social how to put yourself up on social media. 590 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:27,330 S3: And so to go against that is sometimes really, really hard. 591 00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:30,600 S3: But obviously that's why it's so important to back yourself. 592 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,260 S2: Well. 593 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:42,120 S3: I wanted to ask you touched on the fact that, 594 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,520 S3: you know, like you really clear on what you want 595 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,859 S3: to do and you've got that in front of you, 596 00:25:46,859 --> 00:25:48,600 S3: like on your desk and, you know, every single day. 597 00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:50,940 S3: And that's kind of helps you get to where you are, 598 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:55,020 S3: which is incredible. How much of confidence and kind of 599 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:58,260 S3: self-belief in yourself do you think has also contributed to that? 600 00:25:58,290 --> 00:26:00,540 S3: Because I think it's that's probably one of the hardest, 601 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:04,710 S3: hardest things in the whole world to back yourself and 602 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:07,440 S3: to push through like what you university lecturer said and 603 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,350 S3: you know, all those things. What yeah. How much of your, 604 00:26:10,350 --> 00:26:13,110 S3: I suppose your success since you have left speech pathology 605 00:26:13,109 --> 00:26:15,780 S3: to you attest to self-belief and believing in what you 606 00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:16,170 S3: can do. 607 00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:19,619 S4: Oh, so much. I think if it wasn't for me 608 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:22,500 S4: backing myself, then I never would have quit. And I 609 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,920 S4: probably would just be doing speech pathology full time because. 610 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,699 S4: There's so much judgment that comes with doing something different. 611 00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:32,109 S4: And I do think, you know, like you said, the 612 00:26:32,109 --> 00:26:36,639 S4: younger generation, it's changing and they're challenging different modes and 613 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,370 S4: that kind of thing, which is great. But there still 614 00:26:39,369 --> 00:26:41,709 S4: is a lot of judgment that comes with doing anything 615 00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:44,320 S4: creative or anything that sort of goes against the norm 616 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,970 S4: or anything that doesn't have a really specific job title. 617 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:52,570 S4: And I think I still feel a lot of judgment 618 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:56,830 S4: from the older generation when I do describe try to 619 00:26:56,830 --> 00:27:01,449 S4: describe what I do. Because if I just say, oh, 620 00:27:01,450 --> 00:27:04,150 S4: I'm a speech pathologist, I can see the respect, like 621 00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:07,930 S4: I can feel it. But if I say I'm an influencer, 622 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,950 S4: people roll their eyes or like they try not to, 623 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,730 S4: but I can see that on their face as well. 624 00:27:13,390 --> 00:27:16,479 S4: So I, yeah, I definitely had to back myself. And 625 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,240 S4: it's hard because I think when you're saying to someone, 626 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,560 S4: and I think you've spoken about this before, staff like 627 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:26,540 S4: with modeling. You feel like you've got to add additional 628 00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:29,030 S4: explanations to it. Like if you just say, Oh, I'm 629 00:27:29,030 --> 00:27:31,190 S4: a model, then you feel the judgment from people. So 630 00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:33,109 S4: you want to say, Oh, but I'm also doing this. 631 00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:35,330 S4: Like when I was modeling and studying at uni, I 632 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:38,000 S4: would always start with I'm studying to be a speech 633 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,679 S4: pathologist because it felt more impressive or it gave me 634 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,350 S4: more substance, which is just so ridiculous. Like, I hate 635 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:49,190 S4: that it's that way. So yeah, I think you've got 636 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:52,190 S4: to back yourself because yeah, like I said, I wouldn't 637 00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:54,380 S4: have quit because the judgement that came with it like 638 00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:56,689 S4: I have literally had people messaging me saying, Oh, I 639 00:27:56,690 --> 00:28:00,380 S4: respected you so much for doing speech and everything else 640 00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:05,420 S4: and that feels different now. Like or people would say, 641 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:06,739 S4: you know, what are you going to do with all 642 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:09,050 S4: your time? And at the time I was writing a book, 643 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:11,869 S4: but I couldn't talk about that and it was really 644 00:28:11,869 --> 00:28:14,120 S4: hard to not buy back and say, Well, I'm bloody 645 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,340 S4: writing a book, but you know, you guys don't know 646 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:20,120 S4: about it. But sitting in that and, and feeling, I 647 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,869 S4: guess getting comfortable, feeling uncomfortable and feeling like I didn't 648 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:26,270 S4: have to prove myself because I knew what I was 649 00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:29,000 S4: doing and I was backing myself like, you've just got 650 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,060 S4: to be your biggest cheerleader sometimes because, you know, the 651 00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:34,490 S4: world can be very noisy and very judgmental. 652 00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:37,850 S1: Oh, my God. Absolutely. And I mean, a bit of 653 00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:41,210 S1: a gear change here. But speaking of confidence in the world, 654 00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:43,880 S1: being judgemental or something that you've been so open and 655 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,450 S1: vulnerable about having a social media following is your experience 656 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:51,290 S1: with your skin. And that is something that can unfortunately, 657 00:28:51,290 --> 00:28:54,650 S1: our appearance can affect our confidence and how we feel 658 00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:59,330 S1: in ourselves. And you speak so openly about your experience 659 00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:01,760 S1: with it, which is so good for so many others 660 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,040 S1: who feel like they might be the only one. Or 661 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,140 S1: maybe they've got some friends who don't feel like they 662 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:07,850 S1: have the same struggle. And you are that friend for 663 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:10,610 S1: them to to kind of speak to or to just 664 00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:12,320 S1: hear of your experience. And it's just one of those 665 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,720 S1: things that can be so hard to be so open 666 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,750 S1: and vulnerable about, because we are all scared of judgement, 667 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:20,270 S1: we're all scared of judge, even if it's from a stranger. 668 00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:23,630 S1: And I would love to know, you know, a little 669 00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:25,490 S1: bit about your journey with that, if you could share 670 00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:28,610 S1: it for those who haven't already heard about it and 671 00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:31,340 S1: why you feel like it's been important for you to 672 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:33,950 S1: use your platform to talk so openly about your skin. 673 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:38,690 S4: Yeah, well, thank you. Yes, I kind I, I think 674 00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:41,600 S4: when you have struggled with skin, which I have since 675 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,490 S4: I was 13, I'm now 30. So 17 long years 676 00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:49,550 S4: of breakouts. And I, you know, you get told that 677 00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:53,270 S4: it's a hormonal teenage thing. So it becomes, I think, 678 00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:56,150 S4: more frustrating as you get older, because when you're a teen, 679 00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:58,040 S4: at least you're like, okay, this is just a phase 680 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,770 S4: and I'll grow out of it. But, you know, going 681 00:30:00,770 --> 00:30:04,430 S4: into my late twenties with acne, I felt so embarrassed 682 00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:06,980 S4: because I was like, Well, this is not supposed to 683 00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:09,770 S4: happen now. I think the thing is, it's so much 684 00:30:09,770 --> 00:30:12,740 S4: more common than than what we think. And adult acne 685 00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:15,890 S4: is probably just as common as teen acne. I don't 686 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:18,920 S4: actually know the stats, but I'm going to hazard a 687 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:23,980 S4: guess that it's pretty similar. I find it so reassuring 688 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:28,780 S4: to see real skin online that's not edited, that doesn't 689 00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:33,250 S4: have a filter, that doesn't have makeup. So, you know, 690 00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:35,650 S4: it helped me when I was having really bad skin 691 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:39,490 S4: days to see someone else going through the same thing. 692 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:43,180 S4: And at that point in time, I wasn't really sharing 693 00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:46,150 S4: it because I didn't feel comfortable and I didn't want judgment. 694 00:30:46,150 --> 00:30:49,060 S4: And I couldn't you know, I wanted to sort of 695 00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:52,180 S4: hide it because it does affect your confidence. And I 696 00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:55,930 S4: felt like putting it out there would make me less confident, 697 00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:59,770 S4: but it's actually had the opposite effect. So the first 698 00:30:59,770 --> 00:31:04,180 S4: time I shared breakouts online, I had such an amazing response. 699 00:31:04,270 --> 00:31:06,910 S4: The tricky thing is, whenever I share it, I get 700 00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:11,320 S4: a lot of unsolicited advice on how I should fix it. 701 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,540 S4: And that's not why I'm sharing it. Like I'm sharing 702 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:17,320 S4: it to to help other people to feel sane. But 703 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,910 S4: that's just something that comes with it. And I get 704 00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:21,130 S4: more used to that every time I put it out. But. 705 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,170 S4: It's yeah, it's had the opposite effect because I feel 706 00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:28,560 S4: more confident knowing that people see me online exactly as 707 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,690 S4: I am. So I know if people meet me in person, 708 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,790 S4: they're not going to be like, Oh God, her skin 709 00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:35,010 S4: so bad. I didn't realize how bad ice cream was. 710 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:41,070 S4: They say they see me looking, you know, every every 711 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:44,970 S4: way that I can look, I suppose. And in a way, 712 00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:47,970 S4: it helps me to feel more confident. Yeah. When I 713 00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:50,940 S4: meet people in. In real life. But the purpose is 714 00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:53,820 S4: to help other people to feel sane. And I think 715 00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:57,180 S4: there's something so powerful in that. And that's why I 716 00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,350 S4: love social media. It can be so scary social media, 717 00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:03,420 S4: but I think it can be just so positive and 718 00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:05,489 S4: so powerful when it's used in the right way. And 719 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:08,100 S4: I think that's one of those things that I'm loving, 720 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:12,000 S4: seeing more and more people share vulnerabilities online. And a 721 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,470 S4: big one is is skin. 722 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:16,290 S1: Yeah. And I think there's so much in that live 723 00:32:16,290 --> 00:32:18,900 S1: because it's it's like the proof is kind of in 724 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,950 S1: the pudding with insecurities. It's something that we we hide 725 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:24,780 S1: or that we're ashamed of and we don't talk about 726 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,030 S1: because we're worried everyone else is looking at it and 727 00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:29,490 S1: they're just not saying anything to us. But more often 728 00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:31,590 S1: than not, when you you don't have to love it. 729 00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:33,780 S1: You don't have to, you know, love that your skin 730 00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:36,090 S1: breaks out. You don't have to love an insecure you 731 00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:38,969 S1: you might have done like your thighs or whatever. If 732 00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:41,970 S1: you have cellulite, things that society have made us hate 733 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:44,940 S1: in ourselves, you don't have to love those things. But 734 00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:47,790 S1: once you kind of accept that it's something that you 735 00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:50,850 S1: have and you are open about it, it's like, who's 736 00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:52,890 S1: going to say something about it? Do you know what 737 00:32:52,890 --> 00:32:54,450 S1: I mean? It's like you've put your skin out there. 738 00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:58,640 S1: It's not for someone to find and like, say, Dude, 739 00:32:58,650 --> 00:33:00,810 S1: did you know that you have a breakout? It's like, 740 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:02,370 S1: you know, I know I that's why I posted about it. 741 00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:03,840 S1: And I feel like that's kind of it's like you 742 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,660 S1: take away of that insecurity on you. And I think 743 00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:09,450 S1: that's such a good thing to share with others because 744 00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:11,310 S1: it's one of those things. It's like we all have 745 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:14,969 S1: insecurities no matter what they are. And as soon as 746 00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:18,180 S1: you start kind of just living your life and making 747 00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:20,910 S1: sure that you're you're, you know, you've got bigger fish 748 00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:24,420 S1: to fry than than the insecurities, particularly within our appearance. 749 00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:26,670 S1: And once you kind of accept that and move through 750 00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:28,220 S1: it and just be open with it, I think there's 751 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,510 S1: there's so much in that as part of the journey 752 00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:31,530 S1: of moving past it. 753 00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:34,320 S4: Yeah. And I think with skin like it is, you know, 754 00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:39,630 S4: whether it's psoriasis or eczema or acne, there are so 755 00:33:39,630 --> 00:33:43,200 S4: many different skin conditions and I think people struggle with 756 00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:48,600 S4: the same feelings around that. It is that self-consciousness and 757 00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:51,150 S4: lack of confidence and wanting to hide and not leave 758 00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:54,660 S4: the house. Like literally when you have a bad skin day, 759 00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:57,180 S4: you it's hard to look at yourself in the mirror 760 00:33:57,630 --> 00:34:00,600 S4: and it's something that you can't escape because you look 761 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,550 S4: at yourself every single day. And yet when you see 762 00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:08,340 S4: you on social media or these perfect faces, it's really 763 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:12,330 S4: hard to then, you know, push yourself to to get 764 00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:14,460 S4: out the door and to go out and be confident. 765 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,280 S4: So I think it's all about following the right people 766 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,980 S4: and making sure that you cure at your feet in 767 00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:22,739 S4: a way that helps you. And if there are people 768 00:34:22,739 --> 00:34:24,390 S4: on there that are making you feel a bit icky, 769 00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:26,280 S4: then you've got to unfollow them, get rid of them. 770 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:30,630 S4: I've found so many amazing skin positive pages and they 771 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:33,690 S4: help me and so I know they'll help other people too. 772 00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:35,670 S4: Whether or not you have bad skin, I think pages 773 00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:37,710 S4: like that are really, really helpful with Steffy. 774 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:40,470 S3: What you just said about the and leave when you're 775 00:34:40,469 --> 00:34:43,080 S3: speaking about you know once you put yourself out there 776 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:46,860 S3: it's like you're giving this because I mean think about 777 00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:48,690 S3: fire and things that, you know, hold us back. It 778 00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:51,000 S3: might be going out with our friend so that we 779 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,850 S3: can because we've had a breakout in asking. And I 780 00:34:53,850 --> 00:34:55,710 S3: don't know if that's, you know, because then you, you know, 781 00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:57,120 S3: you want people to say it because you're worried about 782 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,739 S3: what they going to think or whatever it might be 783 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,940 S3: once you face the fear when it's something like that 784 00:35:02,969 --> 00:35:06,510 S3: skin and I hope plays after I say this, it's like, 785 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,049 S3: can you actually because I am very lucky in that 786 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:12,779 S3: I haven't had I haven't had acne before. So I'm 787 00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:15,660 S3: speaking from how I feel about their experiences. But please 788 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:18,630 S3: make sure you validate or not validate this afterwards. I 789 00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:20,910 S3: don't want to put any words in anyone's mouth, but 790 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,700 S3: I feel like once you with anything in life, you 791 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:25,920 S3: have this fear. It might be at work with something 792 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,420 S3: like doing a presentation or press or public speaking or 793 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,760 S3: whatever it might be. Once you do it or you 794 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,680 S3: put yourself out there and you say it, it's like 795 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,350 S3: you say the worst thing that can happen. And then 796 00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:39,720 S3: you're taking the power and says what you are saying. 797 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:41,819 S3: I'm really not. I've really brought to this what I'm 798 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:45,180 S3: trying to say. But you've taken the power out of 799 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:49,290 S3: the fear because the fear is only powerful against us 800 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:52,739 S3: when we let it linger. And, you know, it's about skin. 801 00:35:52,739 --> 00:35:54,930 S3: It's like, oh, I don't want anyone to see. But 802 00:35:54,930 --> 00:35:56,250 S3: as soon as you put it out there, it's like, well, 803 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:58,440 S3: everyone has seen and what's the worst thing that's going 804 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,440 S3: to happen? Like if anyone judges you for having a 805 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,950 S3: breakout on your skin, like that's on them. But it's 806 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:08,190 S3: crazy how we let that fear, like, loiter there and 807 00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:09,910 S3: we just need to take the power back. So is 808 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:11,040 S3: that kind of what it feels like? 809 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,740 S4: Yeah, definitely. I feel like we always need to analyse 810 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:17,219 S4: our fears and analyse why we're feeling a certain way 811 00:36:17,219 --> 00:36:20,549 S4: about something. So, you know this I think skin and 812 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:24,190 S4: also body image. They're very similar in the things that 813 00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:27,700 S4: you're scared of. So, you know, if it is, I've got, 814 00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:30,340 S4: you know, severe acne today. I don't want to say 815 00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:32,230 S4: my friends because I don't want them to see it, 816 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,529 S4: but why? Like, are they going to not be friends 817 00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:38,290 S4: with me? Because I have a break out. No. Same with, 818 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,450 S4: you know, if you're feeling like you've gained some weight. 819 00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:44,649 S4: And you don't want to see anyone. Why are they 820 00:36:44,650 --> 00:36:46,540 S4: going to not be friends with you? Because you gain 821 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:49,239 S4: some weight like no. If you're friends with the right people, 822 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,799 S4: then they're not going to make you feel bad about 823 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,069 S4: anything like that. So yeah, I really think you've got 824 00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:57,969 S4: to just push yourself to feel a bit uncomfortable and 825 00:36:57,969 --> 00:37:01,180 S4: put yourself out there no matter what the insecurity is. 826 00:37:01,690 --> 00:37:04,330 S4: And the more you do it, it's like anything. You know, 827 00:37:04,330 --> 00:37:07,510 S4: practice makes you better and makes you more confident. So 828 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:09,220 S4: you just have to keep putting yourself out there. And 829 00:37:09,219 --> 00:37:11,560 S4: every time it's like, Oh, okay, that wasn't as bad 830 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,320 S4: as I thought it would be. And if it is, 831 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,500 S4: if you, you know, if you feel embarrassed because someone 832 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:20,230 S4: says something, then don't hang out with that person or 833 00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:22,810 S4: tell them that they make you feel uncomfortable if they 834 00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:26,440 S4: point out a breakout or whatever it is. But again, 835 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,480 S4: you've just you've got to back yourself and be confident. 836 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,790 S4: And that's what is going to make you feel better 837 00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:33,100 S4: about these things. I think hiding away only makes it 838 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:33,730 S4: feel worse. 839 00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:37,540 S3: Hundred percent. And I think the other thing I wanted 840 00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:40,330 S3: to touch on was when you and you speak so 841 00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:45,250 S3: incredibly about it online, and that's unsolicited advice and it's 842 00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:48,250 S3: something that we've spoken quite a bit about Steph recently 843 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:51,100 S3: on the podcast, and it's something that I've had to 844 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,780 S3: really look deep into myself about and before I speak, 845 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:57,969 S3: think about it because I am someone and I think 846 00:37:57,969 --> 00:38:00,100 S3: a lot of us are, that if someone is telling 847 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:03,880 S3: you a problem, I'm like, Here's my solution. Here, go this. 848 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:08,230 S3: But 99 times out of 100, they don't want you 849 00:38:08,469 --> 00:38:12,040 S3: to shout a solution to them. Well, I don't shout, but, 850 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,830 S3: you know, just be really passionate about like, oh, don't worry. Like, 851 00:38:14,830 --> 00:38:17,050 S3: I tried this and it worked for me. They just 852 00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:20,020 S3: want you to that you just want them to listen 853 00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:24,430 S3: and be like, that's. Thank you for sharing or whatever 854 00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:27,100 S3: it might be. But you're not really always wanting someone 855 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,620 S3: to come back and tell you that. Ro Accutane, I 856 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:31,960 S3: feel like I've read one of your people just worked 857 00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:34,900 S3: for them and it cured what you know, it got 858 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:36,040 S3: rid of all of their acne for the rest of 859 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,460 S3: their life. And you know that you've tried that. Oh, 860 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:39,819 S3: you might be you, but you know it's not going 861 00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:42,010 S3: to work for you. So that advice isn't helpful. Yeah, 862 00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:44,500 S3: but I think yeah, just as humans, it's something that 863 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,109 S3: I don't know and like I'm definitely someone that does 864 00:38:47,110 --> 00:38:49,900 S3: it and it's something that now I'm very conscious of 865 00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,050 S3: it and I try really hard not to always to 866 00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:55,899 S3: go to advice. I just listen. Listen is listening, you know, really, 867 00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:58,719 S3: really powerful. Can you speak to that? So when you 868 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,760 S3: get that type of because I think the hardest thing 869 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,060 S3: is when we think of giving advice, we think of 870 00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:05,620 S3: helping people. Like when I think of it, I'm like, 871 00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:07,420 S3: I'm being helpful. Like this helped me, so I want 872 00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:09,819 S3: to help others, but it's not always the case. Can 873 00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:12,279 S3: you speak to why that isn't for you? It doesn't 874 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,180 S3: always feel helpful. 875 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:16,720 S4: Yeah, I think that that is a big one for skin. 876 00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:21,549 S4: People who struggle with skin, whatever the issue is, you've 877 00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:26,500 S4: tried it all already. Like I am putting myself out 878 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:29,140 S4: there to help people, but not in the way that's like, 879 00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:31,359 S4: try this thing, it'll work for you. At the moment 880 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,210 S4: I'm working with a dermatologist and it's been going really 881 00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:36,790 S4: well and that is helping me. And I'm sharing that 882 00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:41,190 S4: journey because it might help other people. But it feels 883 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:44,540 S4: very different when I put something up. And, you know, 884 00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:48,540 S4: it might be just a bad breakout day. And I'm 885 00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:51,390 S4: sharing my skin to, you know, help other people to 886 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:53,640 S4: feel more confident. And and, you know, I get messages 887 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,080 S4: of people saying, oh, I wasn't going to go to 888 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,880 S4: work today because I'm so embarrassed in my skin. But 889 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,740 S4: you've given me the confidence to do that. That is 890 00:39:58,739 --> 00:40:02,430 S4: the point. But then I get hundreds, literally hundreds of 891 00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:05,280 S4: messages saying you should try this topical cream, or have 892 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,169 S4: you tried this herb or have you tried cutting this 893 00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:09,450 S4: out of your diet or have you tried drinking celery 894 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:13,049 S4: juice every morning or have you literally hundreds of different things? 895 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:15,840 S4: And I know that they all have the best intentions. 896 00:40:16,530 --> 00:40:19,680 S4: So it's hard because I'm getting frustrated with people for 897 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,770 S4: being kind and I know they're being kind, but when 898 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:25,259 S4: you're getting so many of them, if I was to 899 00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:28,620 S4: then sit down and trial every single recommendation to see 900 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:31,590 S4: what works like, I would have no spare time. And 901 00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:34,350 S4: it's overwhelming when you've already put so much time and 902 00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:38,910 S4: money and effort into making your skin better. Just to 903 00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:42,150 S4: have people tell you to try either really random things 904 00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:44,370 S4: that have no scientific backing. 905 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,799 S3: What about like do they tell you to try like 906 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,339 S3: those pyramid scheme oils? And I've heard that they're not 907 00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:52,500 S3: around known about scheme, but the people that try this, 908 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:53,580 S3: I also have a code and like. 909 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:55,169 S2: This is not you. 910 00:40:55,410 --> 00:41:00,330 S4: Know, there's yeah there's they always they usually have good intentions, 911 00:41:00,330 --> 00:41:04,229 S4: but some of them have other intentions. But no, there's 912 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:09,030 S4: just all sorts of things. And it's I think it's 913 00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:14,070 S4: it's frustrating and it's overwhelming. And you feel a bit defeated. 914 00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:16,770 S4: I think, like it's frustrating when that's not my point. 915 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,279 S4: But then you get hundreds of messages that have like 916 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,410 S4: missed the point. And even if I say at the 917 00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:25,710 S4: top of the post, I'm not asking for recommendations, people 918 00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:29,820 S4: will literally still comment with recommendations. I think it's something 919 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,670 S4: that like I have to just deal with because it's 920 00:41:32,670 --> 00:41:35,820 S4: always going to happen. But I am trying to help 921 00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:38,790 S4: people who haven't struggled that much with acne to understand 922 00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:42,690 S4: that you can't just hand out recommendations willy nilly like. 923 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,220 S4: You know, when they say, oh, you know, my niece 924 00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:49,010 S4: stopped eating dairy and that fixed her skin, I'm like, 925 00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:51,050 S4: That's great. I'm very happy for her that that works. 926 00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:53,839 S2: But I am very happy for your niece. 927 00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:56,719 S4: But I've done that and it hasn't worked for me. 928 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,489 S4: Or when people say, All right, time was the best 929 00:41:58,489 --> 00:42:00,839 S4: thing for me, I literally have done two courses of 930 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,259 S4: her acting once when I was 15, once when I 931 00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:06,950 S4: was 22, and both times my skin, my breakouts came 932 00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:10,130 S4: back with a vengeance. It didn't fix it for me. 933 00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:13,220 S4: So yeah, I think sometimes I feel like I'm banging 934 00:42:13,219 --> 00:42:15,850 S4: my head against a brick wall because I'm like, no, like, 935 00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:19,189 S4: this isn't the point, you know? It's like if someone 936 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:23,090 S4: puts up a body positive post, it's like people then saying, Oh, babe, 937 00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:25,580 S4: have you tried this diet? Like, you wouldn't do that. 938 00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:28,640 S4: People do do that, but you shouldn't do that. That's 939 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,500 S4: kind of how I say it with skin. It's like 940 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:33,440 S4: if someone's putting their skin out there, unless they're saying, 941 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,430 S4: Can you please tell me what helped you? Just don't 942 00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:39,820 S4: give advice as much as you want to help, just die. 943 00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:42,920 S1: I think that's. That's it. It's just. Unless it's a question, 944 00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:46,430 S1: maybe we should all. And laws don't feel bad because. Oh, 945 00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:49,370 S1: I know. Do it unless it's a question. You really 946 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:52,640 S1: do have to just sit and pause and think. I 947 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,430 S1: think this person actually asking for advice or maybe not. 948 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,090 S1: I think. 949 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,469 S4: As a mom, you probably get. 950 00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:59,930 S1: That a lot. Oh, yeah. I mean, the worst period 951 00:42:59,930 --> 00:43:02,450 S1: for me was the week that it was true because 952 00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:05,450 S1: I just was inundated with ways in how I can 953 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:09,440 S1: home induce or like how I shouldn't get induced by 954 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,319 S1: the hospital. And so many different opinions that are absolutely 955 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,470 S1: didn't ask for so can relate to unsolicited advice, that's 956 00:43:15,469 --> 00:43:17,930 S1: for sure. And I think it is really hard, particularly 957 00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:19,330 S1: when you are feeling a little bit lost and a 958 00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:21,919 S1: little bit vulnerable, like I'm sure there's been times where 959 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,770 S1: you have felt low in, you know, in a bad 960 00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:28,730 S1: skin week or skin month. And it's like I actually 961 00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:30,830 S1: feel like I've tried everything I need to kind of 962 00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:33,230 S1: dive into some of those damns and you do actually 963 00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:35,480 S1: think about possibly trying them, but then that would just 964 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,300 S1: head into its own spiral of like, oh, but you know, 965 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:39,620 S1: then I have to go and spend all this and 966 00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:42,229 S1: spend this time. And so absolutely it can be really hard, 967 00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:44,690 S1: particularly when you feel really vulnerable. Yeah, but I think 968 00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:48,050 S1: for everyone else it's just that reminder that unless it's 969 00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:51,020 S1: a question, maybe try and keep it to yourself. 970 00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:53,210 S4: Yeah, I think because it can make it feel like 971 00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:56,000 S4: it's your fault. Like exactly. It makes you feel like 972 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,060 S4: you're doing something wrong because you know, when people say, oh, baby, 973 00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:02,270 S4: you just got to wash your sheets more often, I'm like, 974 00:44:03,110 --> 00:44:05,000 S4: I wash them very regularly now. 975 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,440 S3: Like I don't have dirty sheets. 976 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,060 S2: Like, it's over and and. 977 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,550 S4: There is this thing about acne that, like, you feel 978 00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:13,609 S4: dirty and, and it's not how it is, but it's 979 00:44:13,610 --> 00:44:16,250 S4: just it can make you feel that way. And when 980 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:19,550 S4: people say, oh, just, you know, like change your pillowcase 981 00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:22,669 S4: every day or wash your makeup brushes, all those things 982 00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:27,830 S4: do help, just generally speaking, with hygiene. But when people 983 00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:29,720 S4: are giving you those kind of recommendations, I would drink 984 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,230 S4: more water or like really simple things that I already do. 985 00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:36,500 S4: I'm like, Oh, come on, let me be. 986 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,830 S1: Yeah, yeah. And but even still, even though you do 987 00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:42,890 S1: get that, it is still so incredible that you push 988 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:44,810 S1: past that and you keep posting it because you know 989 00:44:44,810 --> 00:44:46,609 S1: that it is helping people. 990 00:44:46,610 --> 00:44:48,259 S4: So thank you. Yeah, I think. 991 00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:48,710 S2: Good on you. 992 00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:50,010 S3: Thank you. 993 00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:53,630 S4: Yeah, I think it comes back to what we were 994 00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:56,420 S4: saying before about figuring out if you're on the right path, 995 00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:58,700 S4: like coming back to your why. And that's what I 996 00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:03,170 S4: have to do with social media, because it can be frustrating, 997 00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:07,040 S4: it can be overwhelming and it can be, you know, 998 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,960 S4: some days when I get a lot of negative messages 999 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,770 S4: about something, I'm like, Oh, why am I bothering? But 1000 00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:14,930 S4: I've got to focus on the positive messages and the 1001 00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:17,930 S4: people that do say that it helps them and remember 1002 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,109 S4: that that's the person that I'm doing it for and 1003 00:45:21,110 --> 00:45:22,850 S4: sort of just try and drown out the rest. 1004 00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:26,090 S1: And speaking of helping people through your platform, another thing 1005 00:45:26,090 --> 00:45:30,710 S1: you're very open about is quitting drinking, quitting alcohol, which 1006 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:33,710 S1: I think which again, you speak very openly about in 1007 00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:37,460 S1: the Aussie culture particularly. It's actually a big deal like 1008 00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:41,060 S1: unfortunately it's a big deal, particularly if it's not attached 1009 00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:44,540 S1: to something like addiction or anything like that. It's something 1010 00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:47,810 S1: that you have decided to do for yourself and it 1011 00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:50,660 S1: shouldn't be a big deal. It should just be whatever. 1012 00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:52,790 S1: Like it's like if you decide to wear blue or pink. 1013 00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:57,590 S1: So what made you initially quit drinking and what made 1014 00:45:57,590 --> 00:46:00,110 S1: you kind of be so open about it with everyone? 1015 00:46:01,070 --> 00:46:05,810 S4: So initially I, I'd had a lot of big nights 1016 00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:08,330 S4: and I think it's so common that people wake up 1017 00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:11,180 S4: and like, Oh, I'm never drinking again. But then, you know, 1018 00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:15,650 S4: next minute you're having a wine. I'd had that feeling 1019 00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:18,980 S4: many times, but never actually thought, What are the steps 1020 00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:21,200 S4: that I need to take to actually have some type 1021 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,590 S4: of alcohol? And I hadn't even done like a fed 1022 00:46:24,590 --> 00:46:28,610 S4: fast or dry July or October. You know, there are 1023 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:31,069 S4: so many months where people take time off alcohol. And 1024 00:46:31,070 --> 00:46:33,440 S4: I'd never done that because, you know, say it was 1025 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,330 S4: someone's birthday. I'd be like, oh, well, I've got a 1026 00:46:35,330 --> 00:46:38,420 S4: drink at that, or someone's wedding or engagement party or 1027 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:41,780 S4: whatever it was. I would find a reason to be like, Oh, well, 1028 00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:43,250 S4: I can't do the whole month. Maybe I'll do a. 1029 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,820 S4: Couple of weeks I got done, you know, little periods 1030 00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:50,049 S4: of time, but not not a whole month. And I 1031 00:46:50,050 --> 00:46:52,089 S4: hated the way alcohol was making me feel. It made 1032 00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:56,529 S4: me so anxious. And I had anxiety, you know, hangover anxiety. 1033 00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:59,919 S4: Every time I drank, even if I only had had 1034 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,350 S4: a couple of drinks, I still felt anxious the next day. 1035 00:47:02,350 --> 00:47:05,650 S4: And I have anxiety as it is, and I just 1036 00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:10,120 S4: felt like I was exacerbating that. And I was choosing 1037 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,430 S4: to do it like nobody was forcing the drink down 1038 00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:15,880 S4: my throat. But I think when you are in certain 1039 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,880 S4: social situations, you feel like there is no alternative and 1040 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,810 S4: you everyone's having a drink, so. Okay, I'll have a drink. And, 1041 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,150 S4: you know, you maybe go with the intention of having one, 1042 00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:27,340 S4: but then someone buys another bottle of wine and you're like, Oh, well, 1043 00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:29,410 S4: it'd be rude to say no. So you have a 1044 00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:33,010 S4: couple more. And that just kept happening. And I just 1045 00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:36,400 S4: kept having this anxiety that would also linger. Like it 1046 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,270 S4: wasn't necessarily just the day after. Like, say, we drank 1047 00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:42,040 S4: on to my partner and I, if we went out 1048 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,000 S4: on the Saturday night and I'd feel crap on the 1049 00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:49,870 S4: Sunday and then that would linger. Monday, Tuesday, sometimes Wednesday. 1050 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,480 S4: And then I'd start to feel like my normal self 1051 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,720 S4: again Thursday, Friday, and then do the same thing on 1052 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,200 S4: the Saturday. Drink too many wines or whatever it was, 1053 00:47:59,650 --> 00:48:02,440 S4: and have this cycle just happening over and over again. 1054 00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:06,640 S4: And so I woke up this it was a Saturday morning. 1055 00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:11,170 S4: Justin and I had been out and had, you know, 1056 00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:12,580 S4: it was meant to be a couple of drinks turned 1057 00:48:12,580 --> 00:48:15,219 S4: into a couple of bottles of wine with a friend 1058 00:48:15,219 --> 00:48:19,959 S4: of ours. And, yeah, I was feeling awful the next day. 1059 00:48:19,989 --> 00:48:24,580 S4: Justin and I also used to have just stupid disagreements 1060 00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:28,030 S4: when there was alcohol involved because, you know, I would 1061 00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:32,140 S4: read into something the wrong way or I would react 1062 00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:36,100 S4: to something, you know, more dramatically than I would otherwise. 1063 00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,100 S4: I think alcohol brought out all my insecurities, and that 1064 00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:43,330 S4: just wasn't fun. And then Justin sort of shuts down. 1065 00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:46,569 S4: And so we'd like out our conflict style when there 1066 00:48:46,570 --> 00:48:49,270 S4: was alcohol involved was just like it just didn't work. 1067 00:48:49,870 --> 00:48:52,900 S4: So that on top of it, I was like, Okay, 1068 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,969 S4: something's got to give here. Like, something needs to change 1069 00:48:54,969 --> 00:49:00,609 S4: because it was just this really predictable cycle. Like, I 1070 00:49:00,610 --> 00:49:02,589 S4: could tell you almost what was going to happen on 1071 00:49:02,590 --> 00:49:04,839 S4: a night out, and I'd get anxiety before going out 1072 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,370 S4: because I'm like, Okay, this could either be a really 1073 00:49:06,370 --> 00:49:09,520 S4: fun night or it could end in tears because I'll, 1074 00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:12,040 S4: you know, get annoyed at Justin about something really stupid. 1075 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,540 S4: And often the next day, I can't even tell you 1076 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,160 S4: how our disagreement started. That's how silly it was. So 1077 00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:21,690 S4: I on this Saturday morning, it was a 1st of 1078 00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:24,430 S4: May and I was like, okay, I'm just going to 1079 00:49:24,430 --> 00:49:27,810 S4: do 30 days off. But I actually started looking into it. 1080 00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:30,460 S4: So I started researching, you know, I think I just 1081 00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:34,150 S4: typed in 30 days off alcohol. And one of the 1082 00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:38,440 S4: first things that came up was this alcohol free program. 1083 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,430 S4: It's a 30 day challenge, I suppose, by any grace 1084 00:49:42,430 --> 00:49:45,370 S4: who's American. And I was like, Oh, this sounds good, 1085 00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:48,520 S4: the alcohol experiment, and it's a forum. And you can, 1086 00:49:48,910 --> 00:49:51,040 S4: you know, you put your name down and so it's 1087 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,750 S4: all free. And you see all these other people and 1088 00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:55,150 S4: why they want to take some time off alcohol. And, 1089 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,070 S4: and I was like, oh, wow. Like so many of 1090 00:49:57,070 --> 00:50:00,640 S4: these people's reasons are exactly the same as mine. So 1091 00:50:00,730 --> 00:50:03,069 S4: it started with the intention of just doing the 30 days. 1092 00:50:03,070 --> 00:50:06,580 S4: And I give you, give you general prompts for, you know, 1093 00:50:06,580 --> 00:50:10,180 S4: every day of the the 30 day challenge. So I 1094 00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:13,480 S4: started journaling and I was really reflecting on my relationship 1095 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,509 S4: with alcohol and what it was doing to my life. 1096 00:50:16,989 --> 00:50:20,230 S4: And about two weeks and I was like, I don't 1097 00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:22,299 S4: think I ever want to drink again because I just 1098 00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,240 S4: felt so much better. And I had been, yeah, really 1099 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,649 S4: sitting with these uncomfortable feelings and, you know, having flashbacks 1100 00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:32,680 S4: to bad nights out and thinking like, why did I 1101 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,340 S4: keep doing this to myself over so many years when 1102 00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:39,520 S4: it's never really made me feel that good? Like if 1103 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,770 S4: I have a positive memory of a night out with alcohol, 1104 00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:44,529 S4: often there was a moment that things weren't right or 1105 00:50:44,530 --> 00:50:48,280 S4: it didn't end well. Not every single time, but maybe 1106 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,370 S4: seven times out of ten. They're not good odds. So now, like, 1107 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,270 S4: you know, it's been 13 months and a 400 and 1108 00:50:57,270 --> 00:51:01,470 S4: something days and I never have a bad night out. Like, 1109 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:03,540 S4: you know, you might go to something that isn't the 1110 00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:05,460 S4: most fun thing in the world, but it never ends 1111 00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:07,859 S4: in drama. It never ends in tears. I always feel 1112 00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:10,620 S4: in control of what I'm doing. I don't have regrets. 1113 00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:14,730 S4: The next day I remember everything, like the clarity that 1114 00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:18,450 S4: I feel is amazing. And I also feel so much 1115 00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:21,060 S4: more confident because when I go into a night out, 1116 00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:24,569 S4: I know exactly what to expect. I know which Olivia 1117 00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:26,940 S4: is going to be there. Like she's the same. We 1118 00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:29,520 S4: don't get the drunk Olivia anymore and we don't like her. 1119 00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:31,860 S4: It's just so much better. 1120 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,410 S1: And I got to say, Liv, I think this is 1121 00:51:34,410 --> 00:51:37,140 S1: probably going to make you, like, you know, swiveling your seat, 1122 00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:39,839 S1: because I. I never feel comfortable when someone says this 1123 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,580 S1: to me, but honestly, there's that many people who look 1124 00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:43,680 S1: up to you. You are that cool person in their 1125 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,470 S1: mind with you making a decision like this in yourself, 1126 00:51:46,469 --> 00:51:48,960 S1: which as we kind of touched on in the Australian 1127 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,719 S1: culture is a difficult one. Like there's no I have 1128 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,910 S1: no doubt in my mind that over this last year 1129 00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:57,060 S1: you've gone out with some friends and they might have 1130 00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:59,490 S1: said something. Oh, what? Like now I have one. Come on, 1131 00:51:59,489 --> 00:52:03,839 S1: it's fine. Or you're pregnant asking that question. And so 1132 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,569 S1: I think by you being so open about making this 1133 00:52:06,570 --> 00:52:09,469 S1: decision for yourself and sharing it with so many, you 1134 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,500 S1: are sparking the thought in so many young women anyone's 1135 00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,830 S1: lives thinking it's actually something I don't really enjoy either. 1136 00:52:16,830 --> 00:52:18,690 S1: I wonder why I do it. And just asking themselves 1137 00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:21,210 S1: that question, it's like, Well, Liv, someone I really look 1138 00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:23,339 S1: up to, she can do it. I can do it. 1139 00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:25,500 S1: I know that that feels a bit weird, but it is. 1140 00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:27,960 S1: It's so powerful and it you should be very proud. 1141 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,380 S4: Thank, Steph. I do think it's like, you know, if 1142 00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:34,500 S4: you can't be what you can't see. And I hadn't 1143 00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:38,340 S4: really seen anybody who socialised as much as I do 1144 00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:41,790 S4: who didn't drink. And I think that's the thing is 1145 00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:45,330 S4: like my life hasn't actually changed in the way of 1146 00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:48,029 S4: what I do. Like we still socialise as much as 1147 00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:50,790 S4: we did before, but I'll often be the only person 1148 00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:53,850 S4: at the table that's not drinking. But I feel comfortable 1149 00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:56,880 S4: with that now. Whereas before I felt super awkward and 1150 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,830 S4: to begin with it did feel hard. Like I felt 1151 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,130 S4: like everyone was watching me and I felt like everybody 1152 00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,490 S4: noticed that I was sober. But the truth is, that's 1153 00:53:05,489 --> 00:53:08,130 S4: not the case. It definitely feels that way when it's 1154 00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:10,140 S4: something you're not used to. But now I just don't 1155 00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:11,430 S4: think about it. I think as long as you are 1156 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:14,640 S4: surrounding yourself with the right people and supportive friends, I mean, 1157 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,630 S4: it's like anything. You. You don't feel uncomfortable when you 1158 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,470 S4: and it doesn't feel wrong. You know, if I did 1159 00:53:22,469 --> 00:53:24,629 S4: have friends that were challenging it or saying, like, come on, 1160 00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:26,250 S4: like it's been a year now. Like, get back on 1161 00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:28,680 S4: the drink. Like, nobody has said that to me because 1162 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,600 S4: they all see the change in me and they know 1163 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,070 S4: how much better I feel. So they're not going to 1164 00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:35,460 S4: push back against that. And and just in case of drinks, 1165 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,900 S4: he drinks exactly the same as he did before when 1166 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,350 S4: I was drinking. But, you know, he doesn't wake up 1167 00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:46,080 S4: with anxiety and he doesn't feel awful or beat himself 1168 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,110 S4: up or any of that. So I would never expect 1169 00:53:49,110 --> 00:53:52,530 S4: him to stop. And people sort of that baffles people, 1170 00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:56,459 S4: I think, because a lot of people who do quit 1171 00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:59,430 S4: alcohol struggle if their partner still drinks. And I think 1172 00:53:59,430 --> 00:54:03,240 S4: maybe that's more like if someone's battled addiction. Like I 1173 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,899 S4: think if if I struggle to be around alcohol, then 1174 00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:09,090 S4: that would be really hard if Justin was still drinking 1175 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:12,270 S4: and I, you know, had had an addiction problem. But, 1176 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:15,570 S4: you know, I don't feel that way. Like, I don't 1177 00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:18,750 S4: mind anyone drinking around me. You can drink as much 1178 00:54:18,750 --> 00:54:20,399 S4: as you want. And as long as people are having 1179 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,260 S4: a good time and happy and most of my friends 1180 00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:25,920 S4: are like, actually, all of them are like they if 1181 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,440 S4: they drink, I just find them funny and they're having 1182 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,469 S4: a good time. I don't find them annoying. But also 1183 00:54:31,469 --> 00:54:33,480 S4: the best thing about not drinking is like I usually 1184 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,489 S4: drive and I can just pull the pin whenever I want. 1185 00:54:35,489 --> 00:54:38,399 S4: So if people are starting to get annoying or I feel, 1186 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:38,730 S4: you know. 1187 00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:39,300 S3: Tired. 1188 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:41,820 S4: I can just leave and leave them to it. And 1189 00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:43,919 S4: then I wake up feeling great and they don't. And 1190 00:54:44,010 --> 00:54:46,200 S4: usually that message me on a Sunday evening, like people 1191 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,430 S4: I'm jealous of right now, Oma, because, you know, they're 1192 00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:53,610 S4: all feeling pretty dodgy. But but yeah, it's been one 1193 00:54:53,610 --> 00:54:54,930 S4: of the best decisions I've ever made. 1194 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,110 S3: That is such, such, such great advice. And I think 1195 00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:00,089 S3: I think for a lot of people what I love, 1196 00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:02,489 S3: what you said is that you still associate because I agree. 1197 00:55:02,489 --> 00:55:05,880 S3: I think like Australians think like social drinking can't do 1198 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,590 S3: one without the other, but you obviously absolutely can. And 1199 00:55:10,590 --> 00:55:13,710 S3: for people listening, thinking that, you know, it's kind of like, 1200 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:16,739 S3: I suppose, how you thought all of those weekends when 1201 00:55:16,739 --> 00:55:19,320 S3: you were like, I just don't really know where to start, 1202 00:55:19,350 --> 00:55:21,420 S3: you know, because it's like, I'm going to if we've 1203 00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,340 S3: all had that hangover, we're moving and drinking and but 1204 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:25,350 S3: then we don't actually action it. But then you did. 1205 00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:29,760 S3: And obviously it's made such incredible positive impact to your 1206 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,760 S3: life for people thinking about, Oh, I've always thought about 1207 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,799 S3: possibly taking some time off drinking, but I don't know 1208 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,899 S3: where to start. What's your advice to them? 1209 00:55:37,350 --> 00:55:39,870 S4: There are so many resources. Like as soon as you 1210 00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:42,029 S4: sort of open that can of worms, you're like, Oh my. 1211 00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:42,540 S3: God, they're. 1212 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:48,930 S4: Everywhere. There's, you know, people on Instagram, lots of sobriety pages. Hello. 1213 00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:51,810 S4: Sunday morning is a really, really good one. But there 1214 00:55:51,810 --> 00:55:57,710 S4: are literally hundreds. There are podcasts, there are books, there's yeah. 1215 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,319 S4: Online programs. I think if you just Google sobriety or 1216 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,270 S4: you Google, you know, 30 days of alcohol, the amount 1217 00:56:06,270 --> 00:56:08,870 S4: of things that will pop up for you is quite amazing. 1218 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,540 S4: I have a highlight on my page of I think 1219 00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:15,090 S4: I called it alcohol free or something along those lines, 1220 00:56:16,650 --> 00:56:20,040 S4: and I save resources and, you know, non-alcoholic drinks that 1221 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,590 S4: I like and all of those things. So that's all there. 1222 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,919 S4: But also, yeah, podcast. I've done lots of interviews talking 1223 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,090 S4: about this, going into a lot of depth. I actually 1224 00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:33,750 S4: I spoke recently to Tali on her podcast Too Much Tully. 1225 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:36,779 S4: We both got quite emotional talking about it when it 1226 00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:39,670 S4: had just been a year for me not drinking and 1227 00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:42,839 S4: we reflected on my reasons why, and I actually read 1228 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,980 S4: some of my journal from when I quit and that 1229 00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:50,250 S4: was quite eye opening but but amazing like to see 1230 00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:53,190 S4: the change. So yeah, the resources are there if you're 1231 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:56,370 S4: looking for it. And my advice would be just try, 1232 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,839 S4: just start with 30 days because I think saying, oh, 1233 00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:01,140 S4: I'm going to cut it out forever is so overwhelming. Like, 1234 00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:03,570 S4: that's such a big call, especially if you are someone 1235 00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:06,330 S4: that drinks at every social event to suddenly say, I'm 1236 00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:08,160 S4: not going to drink for the rest of my life. 1237 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,550 S4: It's like such a big decision. So start small, even 1238 00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:13,500 S4: start with two weeks and see how you feel and 1239 00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:16,500 S4: go from there. But I do think don't just go 1240 00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:19,020 S4: cold turkey and then stay at home. Like you've got 1241 00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:21,479 S4: to challenge yourself. You've got to go to events and 1242 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,300 S4: see how you feel without alcohol and also reflect on it. 1243 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,800 S4: So lots of journaling and and really look into your 1244 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,200 S4: relationship with alcohol and and if it is serving you 1245 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,240 S4: and if it's not, then making a change. 1246 00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:36,330 S3: I love that. Thank you. Leave that's such good advice 1247 00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:38,160 S3: and thank you so much for joining us on the 1248 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,780 S3: podcast for the third time. 1249 00:57:39,780 --> 00:57:41,670 S2: I know it's good to have you. 1250 00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:44,850 S3: We appreciate it so, so much. It's been such a 1251 00:57:44,850 --> 00:57:46,550 S3: joy to talk to you. So thank you for coming. 1252 00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:46,760 S3: You know. 1253 00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:48,690 S4: I could talk to you guys for hours away, so 1254 00:57:48,690 --> 00:57:49,830 S4: thank you. Thanks for having. 1255 00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:54,000 S1: Me. Thank you, Lynn. Well, we hope you guys enjoyed 1256 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,520 S1: that chat. We believe as much as we did. We 1257 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,340 S1: will be back in your ears and next week you 1258 00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:02,910 S1: can find out more about Keep it clean w ww 1259 00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:06,000 S1: dot dot com or you can find us on Instagram 1260 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,870 S1: at Keep it cleaner and us Laura dot enjoy it 1261 00:58:09,870 --> 00:58:11,250 S1: at Steph go smooth and we're. 1262 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,530 S2: All on TikTok by.