S1: A listener production.
S2: That cleaning spills and split and bills. It's Matt and
S2: Alex all day breakfast.
S3: All right. Do you think there was a horror quake
S3: in California? Did you see that? Well, I assumed when
S3: they said that horror quake in Hollywood that it was
S3: a new movie alongside Sharknado. And like the Meg.
S4: You know, you know, Shaq would be in that movie
S4: Horror Quake like a basketball that accidentally sets off some
S4: epic storm after he dunks so hard on someone.
S3: It would be something like that.
S4: But no, apparently it was an earthquake. First they were
S4: hit with a hurricane. Okay. Because there's a tropical storm.
S4: Hillary has been sweeping through California and then they got
S4: the earthquake.
S3: Who was it? The bureau. Surely they know what they're
S3: doing because as they get named, as I go through,
S3: I think it's each letter of the alphabet, isn't it? Yeah.
S3: And it got up to H. Why did they choose?
S3: I'm sure it's someone who's going for Donald Trump's three.
S4: Yeah. You're on that election campaign.
S3: They go, What are we going to call this one?
S3: It's a hatch coming up. We got Helen.
S4: Yeah, yeah. If anything's good. A bloody ruin in America.
S5: All right.
S3: All right. I just say, look into the bureau. I
S3: don't know who was on that shift, but just see
S3: whether they've got a little red baseball cap on. That's
S3: all I'm saying to you.
S4: Well, look, hoping everyone is okay in America. They've been
S4: here and they spelt.
S3: It with one L instead of two or vice versa.
S3: But I reckon they knew what they were doing.
S4: Well, I mean, you know, there's only one l left
S4: after she took the other l i in the last election.
S3: Oh, it's interesting. Like this week, Donald Trump having to
S3: go and get, I guess, quote unquote arrested in Georgia
S3: because he got indicted on another charge.
S4: I heard that he's planning on doing it tomorrow to
S4: take away from the because the Republican debate is happening today. Yeah.
S4: And so as soon as like all the conversation around
S4: that is just going to get sucked out of the
S4: room by getting arrested. I mean, the guy is just
S4: out there. Yeah.
S3: Look, anyway, we've got other things to talk, more important things,
S3: but things closer to home and nothing's closer to home.
S3: Do you know.
S4: What? Why was I doing all this press for mother
S4: and son when I could have just gotten impeached? I
S4: don't know what I was thinking.
S3: Yeah. There seems to be no such thing as bad publicity.
S3: He leads the next closest Republican frontrunner, Ron DeSantis, by
S3: about 40 points.
S4: Even though he's been arrested, as in running the country
S4: from jail, people would still be like, Hey, go.
S3: I read a Guardian article saying it's his best chance
S3: to avoid jail is become president.
S4: All right.
S3: So anyway, we're talking about things closer to home, but
S3: nothing's closer to home. In fact, about 1.2m away from
S3: me right now sits Meadow Kine. He is here. I
S3: got to catch up last night. We're going to talk
S3: all about it and why in a moment. This is
S3: Matt and Alex all day. Breakfast.
S6: This is just the start. Everyone ready?
S7: Let's get this show on the road.
S8: Let's go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.
S8: Matt and Alex all day. Breakfast.
S3: Well, it was an absolute pleasure last night to wander
S3: along to Federation Square and check out the first two
S3: episodes of the brand new ABC series Mother and Son,
S3: starring and co-written by Mr. Matt O'Connor, who sits in
S3: the same room as me right now, mate.
S4: Can you believe we're all in the same? We could
S4: all touch, reach out to each other and touch hands.
S4: Let's do it. Come on, Bron. Reach out. Reach out.
S4: Can't reach anyways. Now, look, it's really great that it's
S4: finally out there, you know, tonight, because it's been nerve
S4: wracking and there's been elements to it, obviously, that have
S4: been quite, you know, complicated when you're looking at putting
S4: together a show. It's quite a complex kind of beast
S4: to be making, especially with the amount of criticism that's been,
S4: you know, thrown around regarding even the idea of remaking it.
S4: And then, of course, the situation with Denise Scott, who
S4: has just shown to be an absolute hero.
S3: But that's what I wanted to chat to you about,
S3: because the show is great. You should definitely go and
S3: watch it tonight on ABC. But the fact that Australia
S3: was one of the best and most well-loved comedians, Denise
S3: Scott managed to film the whole series whilst doing chemotherapy.
S9: Yeah.
S3: For cancer. How are you able to explain just what
S3: had to happen in order for this miraculous achievement to
S3: take place?
S4: It was so amazing. I will say, like genuinely amazing.
S4: I think everyone on set was in awe of her
S4: because chemo is I mean, it's poison. Like they're literally
S4: poisoning you. So imagine you're getting poisoned and then you've
S4: got to do a 12 hour day where you're just
S4: doing the dumbest shit. Like, it's so silly. Yeah. Like
S4: every there's.
S3: A lot of there's a lot of waiting around on
S3: film sets.
S4: Yeah, well, not in this set because she's in every
S4: single scene so she's in it's mother and son. She
S4: is the number one actor. She is in literally every
S4: single scene. So like that she was 12 hours a day.
S4: And it's not little scenes. Like there'd be times where
S4: she's going like, Matt, could you just written a scene
S4: where I was sitting in a chair, for God's sake,
S4: why am I dancing through the living room, jumping on
S4: the couch, running around with an urn, smoking? You had
S4: to do this smoking scene? No. Matt, Why would you
S4: do that to our national treasure? Denise? And what are
S4: you doing that were in the script?
S3: Are they. Are they like fake cigarettes?
S4: And you're using fake cigarettes? And even some of them
S4: we had to like. I mean, I don't want to
S4: give too much of the movie magic away, but you
S4: actually have to like add smoke like VFX, some smoke.
S3: CGI smoke.
S4: Is so good, which I tell you what, when you're like, Oh,
S4: when you've been making a show for five months and
S4: you're like sitting there going like, okay, currently the smoke
S4: looks a little bit like she's a dragon. Can we just, um,
S4: can we just make the jets of cigarette smoke just
S4: plume a little less long? Lengthy emails describing the way
S4: smoke should come out of people's mouths. It's like, what
S4: am I doing.
S3: To make it less look like Denise Scott is destroying
S3: King's Landing from Game of.
S4: Thrones? But yeah, look, I can't say I can't talk
S4: too much about Denise's experience because I'm not Denise. But
S4: what I can say from my perspective is that she
S4: was just someone who who lifted the spirit of the, um,
S4: the whole show so much and just, you know, I
S4: think everyone in that set put in a little bit
S4: of extra because they were like, Well, if she can
S4: do it, we can do it. And it really made
S4: everyone kind of feel like, Hey, we're doing this for
S4: a good reason.
S3: Absolutely. And the amazing thing is you had to sort
S3: of start filming a little bit of it like Austin Powers, where,
S3: you know, Mike Myers plays both Austin Powers and Dr. Evil.
S3: And so when Austin Powers is talking to Dr. Evil,
S3: it's some other person in a ball.
S4: Tracy.
S3: Tracy So and so when Denise was off getting chemotherapy
S3: to try and help deal with her cancer was Tracy
S3: you said was standing in for Denise.
S4: Had never acted in her life by the end was
S4: basically directing the show just like it just just got
S4: a full blown crash course She had honestly never directed.
S4: She just she her son and daughter are actors. And
S4: so she would often look at their like agents, castings
S4: and stuff. And one day they were like, Hey, we
S4: need someone who looks exactly like this. Who is this height?
S4: Who has this color hair that's this long? And Tracy
S4: was like, That's me, I think. And then suddenly is
S4: on set every single day of the week of the
S4: whole shoot. Two months standing there every single day ready,
S4: pretending to dig holes, pretending to lie on chicken coops
S4: and run through the streets, you know, like it was. Yeah,
S4: there was. There was so much that we had to,
S4: you know, that she had to do and learn in
S4: the moment.
S3: And how's that for you? Just sort of pivoting a
S3: little bit like personally as an actor acting. I mean,
S3: you've obviously acting alongside Denise. You get to know her.
S3: But when Tracy is standing in and you've got to
S3: do the same sort of roles but to a different face,
S3: how does that sort of play into your acting experience?
S4: I mean, it's fine. It's absolutely fine. It's a little
S4: bit weird when you're trying to, like be super dramatic
S4: and the person opposite you is holding like a script
S4: in their hands and like reading everything.
S3: It's knocked out a shot.
S4: Yeah, but. But no, it's fine. The main thing was
S4: worrying about. Denise, because, I mean, you know, my mum
S4: died when I was 12 of cancer, of breast cancer
S4: as well. So when we found out what was going on,
S4: there was never a moment where I didn't think it
S4: could turn bad really quickly. And in those situations, you know,
S4: it's there's so much more. Like there's so much more
S4: at stake than a show. And I never really like
S4: I was always worried about that capacity because Geordie is
S4: her son in real life, Geordie and Bonnie is a daughter,
S4: and Geordie actually worked on the show. He made music,
S4: he made, he did the soundtrack. Geordie Laine I think,
S4: you know, you would have.
S3: Already Line Yeah, incredible music.
S4: So the whole time I kept just going like, I mean,
S4: a show is a show. But a mom is is,
S4: you know, irreplaceable. So it was like it just didn't.
S4: None of it really mattered. I'm really glad. I'm really
S4: glad that what we've got we've got and I'm really
S4: proud of the show. But ultimately it's like more important
S4: that that Denise Scott is still around and healthy. Well, it.
S3: Just adds an extra element to the incredible achievement of
S3: bringing this show to life. Mother and Son, It is
S3: premiering tonight, so you get to see the real thing.
S3: If you tune in to ABC at 830 or as
S3: they always do, there's the eye view. So just watch
S3: it whenever you like. It'll be great.
S10: That was my throat.
S4: You don't have to.
S3: I think.
S4: Fine yourself.
S3: I think I recorded that. I think if we go
S3: back to the tape, we can. Yep. No, there it is.
S3: There it is.
S4: All right, well, look, we're starting off today's episode with that.
S4: Growl or whatever it is. It was just.
S3: A background gurgle, I call it.
S4: And we're looking at chess. Have you seen this news
S4: coming out of the International Chess Federation? Feed a Fidesz feed.
S3: Instead of FIFA feed day?
S4: Oh, okay. I was thinking more of p-day. You know,
S4: Pieds petits.
S3: Bidets are delicious. Yeah. Yeah. I almost bought a p-day
S3: the other day, but they're very excited on the stuffed cabbage. Oh.
S4: That's. Yeah. Bronze faces. Wrong. All right.
S3: I think I've been eating too many carbs, and I'm like,
S3: This might get me away from. I need to munch
S3: bread as well.
S4: It's pretty like I was as I was eating my
S4: fish and chips yesterday, I thought too much.
S3: Well, I think the world needs to decarbonize and we
S3: need to decarbonize in the same manner.
S4: I'd be shivering in my boots if I was Carbonaro
S4: Because that in itself, the name gives it away. Like
S4: you can't hide under a bush when you called it.
S3: Yeah.
S4: So International Chess Federation says it's temporarily banning transgender women
S4: from competing in its women's event.
S3: So wait. Previously they were allowed to compete in the
S3: women's event.
S4: Previously there was no women's event, I believe, as in
S4: like a while ago, there was no women's event at all.
S4: Then they were like, Oh, let's give.
S3: What the International Chess Federation didn't have a women's event.
S4: I don't think so. You know.
S3: Shooting. Why would you why isn't everyone just in the
S3: same event from the. It's been going for thousands of years.
S4: What, shooting trap? Shooting? I think it is. In the 70s,
S4: there was just it was just shooting. There was no
S4: like men's and women's. Then there was like quite a
S4: successful women's shooter who won a silver medal. And the
S4: lads are like. Let's give him their own. Let's. Let's
S4: give them their own. It's good to promote women in
S4: the sport. So bloody weapons. Stop stealing our.
S3: Medals. So prior to that, there was no segregation? No.
S3: And they brought it in because a silver went to
S3: a female competitor.
S4: Now, here's the thing. The argument is that women having
S4: their own events in chess promote women in chess. Okay. Right.
S4: So you're trying to you are what you see. And
S4: so to have women own the events, then it makes
S4: girls go, oh, maybe I can be like that chess star.
S3: Sir. But why can't they be like that chess star
S3: who plays in open tournaments?
S4: You're acting like I'm the person who made the decision.
S4: I've never follow.
S3: This person on TikTok. I'm watching chess. This girl, amazing
S3: at chess, goes and plays people in the park. It's
S3: very entertaining. Right?
S4: Here's what they're up against. Women in chess, by the way,
S4: as recently as 2015. This is by the guardian.com. It's
S4: an opinion piece. But this is a fact as written
S4: as recently recently as 2015. Nigel Short, the then vice
S4: president of the World Chess Federation. Fader claimed that men
S4: are hardwired to be better chess players than women, adding,
S4: You have to gracefully you have to gracefully accept that.
S4: Now this is what this writer has then written. The
S4: English grandmaster went on to explain It was clear men
S4: and women's brains are different because he helps his wife
S4: get the car out of the garage and she has
S4: more emotional intelligence than him. Could you? I mean, that
S4: wasn't in like 15, 15. That was in 2015.
S3: So seven, eight years ago. Yeah. Also.
S4: According to this writer, Nigel Short, that guy got beaten
S4: by a woman. Judit Polgar has a winning record against.
S3: Him, so they probably went wrong with his hard wiring
S3: there in chess. The queen.
S4: The best piece. Yeah. The king is useless. Exactly right. Absolutely. Yeah.
S4: What's going.
S3: On here?
S4: Oh, I don't know. Um. I mean, and the idea. Okay,
S4: so here's the thing. The most of the arguments about
S4: transgender women in sport would revolve around the physicality.
S3: Yes.
S4: Um, I'm not a scientist, so I don't know, but
S4: I'm just going to say words like testosterone and estrogen
S4: and stuff.
S3: Well, don't be a Nigel and start saying things that
S3: you're not qualified to say.
S4: I certainly won't. All right.
S3: I read that both figuratively and literally in the case
S3: of this, the.
S4: Thing that I want to bring up. Okay. Because the
S4: argument would be for some reason that Nigel thinks that,
S4: you know, women aren't hardwired to play chess. Right? A
S4: game of the mind, a battle of the mind. Right.
S4: Because he backs his partner's car. So it's not like
S4: it's not like, Why do.
S3: You say that? Because I.
S4: So it's not my wife's car.
S3: It's not like.
S4: Women can't play chess because they put the piece in
S4: the wrong square. Like, that's the argument that he's using
S4: because their spatial awareness is slightly different. They might be
S4: making mistakes on on what? Where they put the piece.
S4: But the other thing is this conversation came up on
S4: the weekend because we were at dinner with some friends
S4: and my partner was asking about guys wrestling, you know,
S4: like not like this sport wrestling, but like. Do you
S4: like it? Do you have friends that wrestle?
S3: Oh. Growing up in bloody high school, you'd have a
S3: some person who tried, like, put you in a headlock
S3: for no reason. Right, Right. Why are we doing this?
S4: I was, like, saying, like, I don't know. There might
S4: be some. I mean, I'm sure that there's plenty of
S4: women out there who do understand, but there might be
S4: some who don't quite understand that, like sleepovers for guys
S4: in high school, there would always be like someone who wrestled,
S4: like you'd be wrestling and like, you'd be, like, falling
S4: off the bed, like wrestling, like, ah.
S3: Let me go, like, too serious too.
S4: Quickly. And that's what you did. And I was talking
S4: about it with my partner and our other friend, and
S4: I was like, So what was the what was the
S4: wrestling equivalent for girls in high school? And they both
S4: unanimously agreed. And Brian, maybe you can just help. Help
S4: me out of here. If it was just girls being
S4: super mean to each other, it seemed like.
S11: What do you mean?
S4: Like being, like pretending to whisper about one another and then, like, giggling.
S4: You're like, Oh.
S11: It's like if I was over at a friend's.
S4: Place and two guys started whispering to each other and
S4: then laughing and pointing at me, I'd be like, Guys, what?
S4: What are you doing? Like, why are you being mean
S4: to me?
S3: Would you take the wrestling or the fake whispering?
S4: I'd be like, Come on, just find me guys. There's
S4: no need for this psychological warfare.
S11: Well, I don't remember that, to be honest.
S3: Where does farting on the other person's pillow come into this?
S3: Because that's.
S4: I mean, that's just childish, okay? And that's. There's no
S4: that wouldn't.
S3: Happen to girls sleepovers.
S11: Bron You know what?
S10: I really remember being a things like trying to do
S10: an all nighter was like a big deal.
S11: Yeah, but what about against each other?
S4: How did you flex your muscles against each other? Because
S4: this seems to be like a psychological warfare, that the
S4: girls were able to go against each other. And in
S4: this case, when it comes to game of chess, there
S4: is nothing more like headstrong and psychologically intimidating than gossiping
S4: and pretending to, like whisper about people and telling them
S4: they smell and stuff. Just outright bullying. Like, that's.
S11: Brutal.
S10: I don't have memories.
S4: All right. Well, maybe it was maybe it was just the.
S4: The circles that I hang out with. Yeah. So, look,
S4: as far as I'm concerned. Women are just as hard
S4: wired to be playing a game of a battle of
S4: the mind. That's for damn sure. But look, who knows
S4: what's going to happen with this. Trans women in chess
S4: stuff it's going to take apparently could take a couple
S4: of years for them to wait for the, um, what
S4: is it for them to figure out whether it will
S4: affect the game or not? And this a weird thing.
S4: Fadi wrote in an email responding to criticism. Of course,
S4: men and women are equally intellectually capable, however, in chess
S4: as a sport. Other factors like physical endurance may play
S4: a role. What?
S10: That was a recent quote.
S4: What am I. Am I. Are we talking about the
S4: same game? So doubting that it's tiring.
S3: But hang on. A trans women are going to be weird.
S3: Which category do they compete? Are they banned from everything?
S4: I honestly don't.
S3: Know. There was the Miss Italy competition recently. No. In solidarity.
S3: A whole bunch of biologically, you know, biologically born women
S3: who have transitioned to to male all entered the the
S3: Miss Italy.
S4: Know so I believe that.
S3: To show how silly that particular ban was.
S4: No I believe that they're still allowed to play in
S4: the open categories. It's just they're not allowed to play
S4: against just the women anyways.
S3: Oh, man.
S4: The porn is in your court Friday.
S3: Porn is on your board.
S4: I don't know. I told you I don't watch it much,
S4: and it's just given me another reason not to watch it.
S3: Matt, yesterday you told a story here on all day
S3: breakfast of rocking up to an extremely fancy lunch. Was
S3: it a bottle of moonshine? What did you come with again? It.
S3: Was that what you rocked up with?
S4: Yeah. Look, Hayden Quinn, Master chef, Star, you know, very
S4: famous television chef cook. Um, great guy. Genuinely such a
S4: nice guy. Brought a very nice bottle of wine to
S4: everyone that he'd kept under his bed for 18 years.
S4: It was a present from his 18th for his from
S4: his dad.
S3: Matt said to the drive through bottle. Oh, no, let's
S3: just have something slightly fancier. Came in with a $35
S3: bottle of plonk. And I tell you what. Oh man,
S3: that's what I did. It absolutely plonked the mood at
S3: this particular dinner party. But that is all yesterday. So
S3: go back and listen if you like. But it did
S3: remind me of like because I was picturing you in
S3: this situation, knowing that in your backpack you had this
S3: this underdressed wine ready to bring out. I was thinking like,
S3: would you go and hide it? What do you do?
S3: It reminded me of something that happened while ago now,
S3: when my friend was getting married. Okay. I went out
S3: to get a. A present to give them for their wedding. Okay.
S3: Because I wasn't going to be able to make it.
S3: I was there a week beforehand and I went round
S3: to their house and what I do, I was in
S3: a local art shop and there was this nice looking print.
S3: This was like this hand-drawn owl picture local artist. I thought, Awesome,
S3: this will be great. That'll look amazing on the wall.
S3: Wrap it up, get the gift, Go out there. It's
S3: sitting in the car. We're having a bit of a
S3: chat and I think before I go, I'll go out
S3: and grab it and bring it in and wish them
S3: a very happy nuptials. Sitting in the house and my
S3: girlfriend at the time, like literally it's like that elbow
S3: nudge from a movie, like look up, look up on
S3: the wall. I look up on the wall, there is
S3: the exact same al hand-drawn prints on the wall. And
S3: I think I brought in the present maybe and put
S3: it behind the couch. And so I had to go
S3: and sort of like pick it up and take it
S3: back out of the house to the car because I.
S11: Couldn't give him my.
S4: God, Could you imagine if you'd gotten busted walking out
S4: with the present like.
S11: He's.
S4: Stealing my present, You're taking my present back.
S3: But I couldn't believe it. The same gift.
S4: The positive is that, you know, they taste like that.
S4: That got.
S3: Immaculate taste. And I went back and there was a
S3: few other prints of different animals. I ended up back
S3: and going getting a rabbit print. And so they had
S3: like now matching matching prints.
S4: So you ducked out. You actually left the party and
S4: went and got a new one.
S3: Smoke bombs went back. I didn't do it that day.
S3: Like I took about returned it the next day and
S3: like drove back out and gave it to them and
S3: explained the situation because it was quite hilarious. But yeah,
S3: it just reminded me of like when you, you sense
S3: in the moment I've got to quickly swap something out here.
S3: So we asked you, when have you done the old switcheroo?
S3: Lincoln said, I used to carefully peel off the plastic
S3: seal on my brother's box of favorites, chocolates and swap
S3: over all my crappy bounty and morrow for his good ones.
S3: And then just put them back. Very. So you've got two.
S3: You eat half of what you want, that you take
S3: the good half from the other one. You take them out,
S3: load it with the rubbish.
S4: What. No, I don't agree with you with bounty being
S4: declared a crappy bar.
S3: But bounty.
S4: Stinks. Nah, but morrow. I mean, come.
S3: On, give me morrow every day of the.
S11: Week. Are you kidding me? It's the New.
S3: Zealand Mars bar.
S4: No, it's. It is. It does not shine a candle
S4: to the Mars.
S11: All right? It might not.
S3: Be a mars level, but it is leaps and bounds
S3: ahead of the.
S4: Bounty. Also, the bounty is isn't the bounty mars. Bounty
S4: is Mars. I'm pretty.
S3: Sure I've seen the.
S4: Favorite. So something else? Something else.
S3: Who knows what's going on? We've also got Jake calling
S3: us right now today. Jake.
S12: Hey, there you go.
S4: Good. Thanks, Jake. Now, you had a little switcheroo with
S4: your housemate.
S12: Yeah. Yeah. So I used to do the old sneaky
S12: and just start switches on these out. He's old hole
S12: filled bloody undies and just take my ones because we
S12: bought the same brand.
S4: And so why. So he just went through his a
S4: bit quicker did he.
S12: Yeah I suppose so. I don't know what he was
S12: up to. Yeah.
S3: Wait, so he's he used to swap yours in and.
S12: Yeah. I used to take my good ones. Give me
S12: the whole one.
S4: Oh there's nothing, there's nothing more annoying than that because
S4: I'm sure you'll like me, Jake. You got a couple
S4: of nice ones that when it's date night you're working
S4: on the you're working on the good ones, and suddenly
S4: you find everything's hanging out.
S12: Yeah. I didn't think I was going to notice.
S11: Well.
S3: Sort of holes. Just see seem to appear on Andy's.
S3: How do you know that? You weren't just making the
S3: holes yourself.
S12: Well, look, I don't know what universe he lived in, man.
S4: This guy's walking around wearing a block. A Swiss cheese,
S4: it sounds like. All right, well, look, we hope you're
S4: Andy's a hole free now. Jake, thanks very much for
S4: getting in touch.
S12: Have a good one. You, too.
S3: And as always, if you've got a last minute switcheroo,
S3: don't worry, send them through.
S4: And thank you for listening to another Matt and Alex
S4: all day. Breakfast. We sincerely hope we get to see
S4: you same time, same place tomorrow.
S3: That's the way we will catch you next time. Until then,
S3: bye bye.
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