1 00:00:02,590 --> 00:00:04,269 S1: A listener production. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,810 S2: That cleaning spills and split and bills. It's Matt and 3 00:00:07,810 --> 00:00:09,550 S2: Alex all day breakfast. 4 00:00:10,060 --> 00:00:11,440 S3: All right. Do you think there was a horror quake 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,120 S3: in California? Did you see that? Well, I assumed when 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,610 S3: they said that horror quake in Hollywood that it was 7 00:00:18,610 --> 00:00:23,529 S3: a new movie alongside Sharknado. And like the Meg. 8 00:00:24,250 --> 00:00:27,430 S4: You know, you know, Shaq would be in that movie 9 00:00:27,430 --> 00:00:31,270 S4: Horror Quake like a basketball that accidentally sets off some 10 00:00:31,270 --> 00:00:34,150 S4: epic storm after he dunks so hard on someone. 11 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:35,110 S3: It would be something like that. 12 00:00:35,380 --> 00:00:39,220 S4: But no, apparently it was an earthquake. First they were 13 00:00:39,220 --> 00:00:42,730 S4: hit with a hurricane. Okay. Because there's a tropical storm. 14 00:00:42,729 --> 00:00:46,990 S4: Hillary has been sweeping through California and then they got 15 00:00:46,990 --> 00:00:48,310 S4: the earthquake. 16 00:00:48,310 --> 00:00:50,680 S3: Who was it? The bureau. Surely they know what they're 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,110 S3: doing because as they get named, as I go through, 18 00:00:53,110 --> 00:00:55,330 S3: I think it's each letter of the alphabet, isn't it? Yeah. 19 00:00:55,330 --> 00:00:58,090 S3: And it got up to H. Why did they choose? 20 00:00:58,270 --> 00:01:01,410 S3: I'm sure it's someone who's going for Donald Trump's three. 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,030 S4: Yeah. You're on that election campaign. 22 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:05,740 S3: They go, What are we going to call this one? 23 00:01:05,740 --> 00:01:07,450 S3: It's a hatch coming up. We got Helen. 24 00:01:07,450 --> 00:01:09,970 S4: Yeah, yeah. If anything's good. A bloody ruin in America. 25 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:10,720 S5: All right. 26 00:01:11,650 --> 00:01:14,380 S3: All right. I just say, look into the bureau. I 27 00:01:14,380 --> 00:01:16,690 S3: don't know who was on that shift, but just see 28 00:01:16,690 --> 00:01:20,590 S3: whether they've got a little red baseball cap on. That's 29 00:01:20,590 --> 00:01:21,569 S3: all I'm saying to you. 30 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,550 S4: Well, look, hoping everyone is okay in America. They've been 31 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:25,300 S4: here and they spelt. 32 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:27,790 S3: It with one L instead of two or vice versa. 33 00:01:27,790 --> 00:01:29,800 S3: But I reckon they knew what they were doing. 34 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,290 S4: Well, I mean, you know, there's only one l left 35 00:01:32,290 --> 00:01:36,160 S4: after she took the other l i in the last election. 36 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,460 S3: Oh, it's interesting. Like this week, Donald Trump having to 37 00:01:39,459 --> 00:01:42,580 S3: go and get, I guess, quote unquote arrested in Georgia 38 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:45,070 S3: because he got indicted on another charge. 39 00:01:45,069 --> 00:01:48,520 S4: I heard that he's planning on doing it tomorrow to 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,180 S4: take away from the because the Republican debate is happening today. Yeah. 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,809 S4: And so as soon as like all the conversation around 42 00:01:55,810 --> 00:01:58,570 S4: that is just going to get sucked out of the 43 00:01:58,570 --> 00:02:04,300 S4: room by getting arrested. I mean, the guy is just 44 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:05,140 S4: out there. Yeah. 45 00:02:05,140 --> 00:02:07,300 S3: Look, anyway, we've got other things to talk, more important things, 46 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:10,000 S3: but things closer to home and nothing's closer to home. 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:10,270 S3: Do you know. 48 00:02:10,270 --> 00:02:13,000 S4: What? Why was I doing all this press for mother 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,650 S4: and son when I could have just gotten impeached? I 50 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:19,720 S4: don't know what I was thinking. 51 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,330 S3: Yeah. There seems to be no such thing as bad publicity. 52 00:02:22,330 --> 00:02:27,580 S3: He leads the next closest Republican frontrunner, Ron DeSantis, by 53 00:02:27,580 --> 00:02:28,869 S3: about 40 points. 54 00:02:28,870 --> 00:02:31,930 S4: Even though he's been arrested, as in running the country 55 00:02:31,930 --> 00:02:34,030 S4: from jail, people would still be like, Hey, go. 56 00:02:34,330 --> 00:02:36,670 S3: I read a Guardian article saying it's his best chance 57 00:02:36,669 --> 00:02:38,859 S3: to avoid jail is become president. 58 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,560 S4: All right. 59 00:02:42,010 --> 00:02:43,960 S3: So anyway, we're talking about things closer to home, but 60 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,720 S3: nothing's closer to home. In fact, about 1.2m away from 61 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,140 S3: me right now sits Meadow Kine. He is here. I 62 00:02:50,139 --> 00:02:51,880 S3: got to catch up last night. We're going to talk 63 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,650 S3: all about it and why in a moment. This is 64 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:55,239 S3: Matt and Alex all day. Breakfast. 65 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,399 S6: This is just the start. Everyone ready? 66 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,779 S7: Let's get this show on the road. 67 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:00,670 S8: Let's go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. 68 00:03:00,669 --> 00:03:02,650 S8: Matt and Alex all day. Breakfast. 69 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,140 S3: Well, it was an absolute pleasure last night to wander 70 00:03:08,139 --> 00:03:12,430 S3: along to Federation Square and check out the first two 71 00:03:12,430 --> 00:03:15,610 S3: episodes of the brand new ABC series Mother and Son, 72 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:19,360 S3: starring and co-written by Mr. Matt O'Connor, who sits in 73 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,340 S3: the same room as me right now, mate. 74 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:22,630 S4: Can you believe we're all in the same? We could 75 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:25,210 S4: all touch, reach out to each other and touch hands. 76 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:27,670 S4: Let's do it. Come on, Bron. Reach out. Reach out. 77 00:03:28,389 --> 00:03:32,050 S4: Can't reach anyways. Now, look, it's really great that it's 78 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:35,650 S4: finally out there, you know, tonight, because it's been nerve 79 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:38,020 S4: wracking and there's been elements to it, obviously, that have 80 00:03:38,020 --> 00:03:43,240 S4: been quite, you know, complicated when you're looking at putting 81 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,150 S4: together a show. It's quite a complex kind of beast 82 00:03:46,150 --> 00:03:49,540 S4: to be making, especially with the amount of criticism that's been, 83 00:03:49,540 --> 00:03:53,980 S4: you know, thrown around regarding even the idea of remaking it. 84 00:03:54,430 --> 00:03:59,140 S4: And then, of course, the situation with Denise Scott, who 85 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:01,180 S4: has just shown to be an absolute hero. 86 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:02,950 S3: But that's what I wanted to chat to you about, 87 00:04:02,950 --> 00:04:05,080 S3: because the show is great. You should definitely go and 88 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,770 S3: watch it tonight on ABC. But the fact that Australia 89 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:11,770 S3: was one of the best and most well-loved comedians, Denise 90 00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:17,440 S3: Scott managed to film the whole series whilst doing chemotherapy. 91 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:17,790 S9: Yeah. 92 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,860 S3: For cancer. How are you able to explain just what 93 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:28,600 S3: had to happen in order for this miraculous achievement to 94 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,270 S3: take place? 95 00:04:29,290 --> 00:04:33,880 S4: It was so amazing. I will say, like genuinely amazing. 96 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,580 S4: I think everyone on set was in awe of her 97 00:04:37,089 --> 00:04:42,250 S4: because chemo is I mean, it's poison. Like they're literally 98 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:45,940 S4: poisoning you. So imagine you're getting poisoned and then you've 99 00:04:45,940 --> 00:04:48,160 S4: got to do a 12 hour day where you're just 100 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,050 S4: doing the dumbest shit. Like, it's so silly. Yeah. Like 101 00:04:53,050 --> 00:04:53,650 S4: every there's. 102 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:55,870 S3: A lot of there's a lot of waiting around on 103 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:56,920 S3: film sets. 104 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,020 S4: Yeah, well, not in this set because she's in every 105 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:02,950 S4: single scene so she's in it's mother and son. She 106 00:05:02,950 --> 00:05:07,240 S4: is the number one actor. She is in literally every 107 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,859 S4: single scene. So like that she was 12 hours a day. 108 00:05:11,860 --> 00:05:14,169 S4: And it's not little scenes. Like there'd be times where 109 00:05:14,170 --> 00:05:17,200 S4: she's going like, Matt, could you just written a scene 110 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,230 S4: where I was sitting in a chair, for God's sake, 111 00:05:20,350 --> 00:05:23,919 S4: why am I dancing through the living room, jumping on 112 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,250 S4: the couch, running around with an urn, smoking? You had 113 00:05:27,250 --> 00:05:31,150 S4: to do this smoking scene? No. Matt, Why would you 114 00:05:31,150 --> 00:05:34,810 S4: do that to our national treasure? Denise? And what are 115 00:05:34,810 --> 00:05:37,029 S4: you doing that were in the script? 116 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:39,010 S3: Are they. Are they like fake cigarettes? 117 00:05:39,010 --> 00:05:41,529 S4: And you're using fake cigarettes? And even some of them 118 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:43,600 S4: we had to like. I mean, I don't want to 119 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,609 S4: give too much of the movie magic away, but you 120 00:05:45,610 --> 00:05:49,570 S4: actually have to like add smoke like VFX, some smoke. 121 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,530 S3: CGI smoke. 122 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,420 S4: Is so good, which I tell you what, when you're like, Oh, 123 00:05:55,420 --> 00:05:57,789 S4: when you've been making a show for five months and 124 00:05:57,790 --> 00:06:01,540 S4: you're like sitting there going like, okay, currently the smoke 125 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:04,880 S4: looks a little bit like she's a dragon. Can we just, um, 126 00:06:05,589 --> 00:06:08,470 S4: can we just make the jets of cigarette smoke just 127 00:06:09,010 --> 00:06:13,659 S4: plume a little less long? Lengthy emails describing the way 128 00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:15,760 S4: smoke should come out of people's mouths. It's like, what 129 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:16,300 S4: am I doing. 130 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,910 S3: To make it less look like Denise Scott is destroying 131 00:06:18,910 --> 00:06:21,670 S3: King's Landing from Game of. 132 00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:24,370 S4: Thrones? But yeah, look, I can't say I can't talk 133 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:27,489 S4: too much about Denise's experience because I'm not Denise. But 134 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:29,200 S4: what I can say from my perspective is that she 135 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,590 S4: was just someone who who lifted the spirit of the, um, 136 00:06:34,779 --> 00:06:37,270 S4: the whole show so much and just, you know, I 137 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:39,000 S4: think everyone in that set put in a little bit 138 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,620 S4: of extra because they were like, Well, if she can 139 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:44,680 S4: do it, we can do it. And it really made 140 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,650 S4: everyone kind of feel like, Hey, we're doing this for 141 00:06:47,650 --> 00:06:48,790 S4: a good reason. 142 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:50,980 S3: Absolutely. And the amazing thing is you had to sort 143 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:55,270 S3: of start filming a little bit of it like Austin Powers, where, 144 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:59,529 S3: you know, Mike Myers plays both Austin Powers and Dr. Evil. 145 00:06:59,529 --> 00:07:02,500 S3: And so when Austin Powers is talking to Dr. Evil, 146 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:04,330 S3: it's some other person in a ball. 147 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:05,010 S4: Tracy. 148 00:07:06,490 --> 00:07:10,720 S3: Tracy So and so when Denise was off getting chemotherapy 149 00:07:10,990 --> 00:07:15,670 S3: to try and help deal with her cancer was Tracy 150 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:17,710 S3: you said was standing in for Denise. 151 00:07:17,710 --> 00:07:20,920 S4: Had never acted in her life by the end was 152 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,130 S4: basically directing the show just like it just just got 153 00:07:24,130 --> 00:07:27,610 S4: a full blown crash course She had honestly never directed. 154 00:07:27,610 --> 00:07:31,900 S4: She just she her son and daughter are actors. And 155 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:34,690 S4: so she would often look at their like agents, castings 156 00:07:34,690 --> 00:07:37,150 S4: and stuff. And one day they were like, Hey, we 157 00:07:37,150 --> 00:07:40,180 S4: need someone who looks exactly like this. Who is this height? 158 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:43,300 S4: Who has this color hair that's this long? And Tracy 159 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:48,730 S4: was like, That's me, I think. And then suddenly is 160 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:51,700 S4: on set every single day of the week of the 161 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:55,090 S4: whole shoot. Two months standing there every single day ready, 162 00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:58,480 S4: pretending to dig holes, pretending to lie on chicken coops 163 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,630 S4: and run through the streets, you know, like it was. Yeah, 164 00:08:01,630 --> 00:08:03,400 S4: there was. There was so much that we had to, 165 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,860 S4: you know, that she had to do and learn in 166 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:06,370 S4: the moment. 167 00:08:06,370 --> 00:08:07,900 S3: And how's that for you? Just sort of pivoting a 168 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:11,620 S3: little bit like personally as an actor acting. I mean, 169 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:15,340 S3: you've obviously acting alongside Denise. You get to know her. 170 00:08:15,340 --> 00:08:17,440 S3: But when Tracy is standing in and you've got to 171 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,630 S3: do the same sort of roles but to a different face, 172 00:08:19,630 --> 00:08:22,150 S3: how does that sort of play into your acting experience? 173 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,650 S4: I mean, it's fine. It's absolutely fine. It's a little 174 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,690 S4: bit weird when you're trying to, like be super dramatic 175 00:08:28,690 --> 00:08:31,030 S4: and the person opposite you is holding like a script 176 00:08:31,030 --> 00:08:34,329 S4: in their hands and like reading everything. 177 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:35,500 S3: It's knocked out a shot. 178 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:37,929 S4: Yeah, but. But no, it's fine. The main thing was 179 00:08:37,929 --> 00:08:42,600 S4: worrying about. Denise, because, I mean, you know, my mum 180 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,810 S4: died when I was 12 of cancer, of breast cancer 181 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,949 S4: as well. So when we found out what was going on, 182 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:55,770 S4: there was never a moment where I didn't think it 183 00:08:55,770 --> 00:08:59,820 S4: could turn bad really quickly. And in those situations, you know, 184 00:08:59,970 --> 00:09:04,780 S4: it's there's so much more. Like there's so much more 185 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:08,260 S4: at stake than a show. And I never really like 186 00:09:08,260 --> 00:09:11,050 S4: I was always worried about that capacity because Geordie is 187 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,730 S4: her son in real life, Geordie and Bonnie is a daughter, 188 00:09:15,730 --> 00:09:17,829 S4: and Geordie actually worked on the show. He made music, 189 00:09:17,830 --> 00:09:20,740 S4: he made, he did the soundtrack. Geordie Laine I think, 190 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:21,459 S4: you know, you would have. 191 00:09:21,820 --> 00:09:23,560 S3: Already Line Yeah, incredible music. 192 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,310 S4: So the whole time I kept just going like, I mean, 193 00:09:27,309 --> 00:09:31,830 S4: a show is a show. But a mom is is, 194 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:35,100 S4: you know, irreplaceable. So it was like it just didn't. 195 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:39,540 S4: None of it really mattered. I'm really glad. I'm really 196 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:41,400 S4: glad that what we've got we've got and I'm really 197 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,680 S4: proud of the show. But ultimately it's like more important 198 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,510 S4: that that Denise Scott is still around and healthy. Well, it. 199 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:52,350 S3: Just adds an extra element to the incredible achievement of 200 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:54,750 S3: bringing this show to life. Mother and Son, It is 201 00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:56,760 S3: premiering tonight, so you get to see the real thing. 202 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,329 S3: If you tune in to ABC at 830 or as 203 00:10:00,330 --> 00:10:01,979 S3: they always do, there's the eye view. So just watch 204 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:03,329 S3: it whenever you like. It'll be great. 205 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:10,689 S10: That was my throat. 206 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:12,949 S4: You don't have to. 207 00:10:12,970 --> 00:10:13,680 S3: I think. 208 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:14,540 S4: Fine yourself. 209 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,990 S3: I think I recorded that. I think if we go 210 00:10:16,990 --> 00:10:19,660 S3: back to the tape, we can. Yep. No, there it is. 211 00:10:20,260 --> 00:10:20,950 S3: There it is. 212 00:10:20,980 --> 00:10:24,550 S4: All right, well, look, we're starting off today's episode with that. 213 00:10:25,340 --> 00:10:27,680 S4: Growl or whatever it is. It was just. 214 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,750 S3: A background gurgle, I call it. 215 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:34,040 S4: And we're looking at chess. Have you seen this news 216 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,350 S4: coming out of the International Chess Federation? Feed a Fidesz feed. 217 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:41,990 S3: Instead of FIFA feed day? 218 00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:43,880 S4: Oh, okay. I was thinking more of p-day. You know, 219 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:44,900 S4: Pieds petits. 220 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:48,079 S3: Bidets are delicious. Yeah. Yeah. I almost bought a p-day 221 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,820 S3: the other day, but they're very excited on the stuffed cabbage. Oh. 222 00:10:53,510 --> 00:10:56,600 S4: That's. Yeah. Bronze faces. Wrong. All right. 223 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,400 S3: I think I've been eating too many carbs, and I'm like, 224 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,140 S3: This might get me away from. I need to munch 225 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:00,950 S3: bread as well. 226 00:11:00,950 --> 00:11:02,900 S4: It's pretty like I was as I was eating my 227 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:05,719 S4: fish and chips yesterday, I thought too much. 228 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,100 S3: Well, I think the world needs to decarbonize and we 229 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:11,890 S3: need to decarbonize in the same manner. 230 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:14,480 S4: I'd be shivering in my boots if I was Carbonaro 231 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,020 S4: Because that in itself, the name gives it away. Like 232 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:20,330 S4: you can't hide under a bush when you called it. 233 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:20,780 S3: Yeah. 234 00:11:21,410 --> 00:11:28,250 S4: So International Chess Federation says it's temporarily banning transgender women 235 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:30,050 S4: from competing in its women's event. 236 00:11:30,050 --> 00:11:33,770 S3: So wait. Previously they were allowed to compete in the 237 00:11:33,770 --> 00:11:34,459 S3: women's event. 238 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,400 S4: Previously there was no women's event, I believe, as in 239 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,780 S4: like a while ago, there was no women's event at all. 240 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:44,250 S4: Then they were like, Oh, let's give. 241 00:11:44,250 --> 00:11:47,010 S3: What the International Chess Federation didn't have a women's event. 242 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:47,819 S4: I don't think so. You know. 243 00:11:47,820 --> 00:11:50,460 S3: Shooting. Why would you why isn't everyone just in the 244 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:53,880 S3: same event from the. It's been going for thousands of years. 245 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,350 S4: What, shooting trap? Shooting? I think it is. In the 70s, 246 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:00,270 S4: there was just it was just shooting. There was no 247 00:12:00,270 --> 00:12:03,150 S4: like men's and women's. Then there was like quite a 248 00:12:03,150 --> 00:12:06,270 S4: successful women's shooter who won a silver medal. And the 249 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:11,160 S4: lads are like. Let's give him their own. Let's. Let's 250 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,560 S4: give them their own. It's good to promote women in 251 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,370 S4: the sport. So bloody weapons. Stop stealing our. 252 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:21,630 S3: Medals. So prior to that, there was no segregation? No. 253 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:24,420 S3: And they brought it in because a silver went to 254 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:25,570 S3: a female competitor. 255 00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:28,980 S4: Now, here's the thing. The argument is that women having 256 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:33,810 S4: their own events in chess promote women in chess. Okay. Right. 257 00:12:33,809 --> 00:12:38,760 S4: So you're trying to you are what you see. And 258 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,939 S4: so to have women own the events, then it makes 259 00:12:41,940 --> 00:12:46,500 S4: girls go, oh, maybe I can be like that chess star. 260 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:51,330 S3: Sir. But why can't they be like that chess star 261 00:12:51,330 --> 00:12:53,640 S3: who plays in open tournaments? 262 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,350 S4: You're acting like I'm the person who made the decision. 263 00:12:58,590 --> 00:12:59,340 S4: I've never follow. 264 00:12:59,340 --> 00:13:02,700 S3: This person on TikTok. I'm watching chess. This girl, amazing 265 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:05,760 S3: at chess, goes and plays people in the park. It's 266 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,350 S3: very entertaining. Right? 267 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:10,020 S4: Here's what they're up against. Women in chess, by the way, 268 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:14,460 S4: as recently as 2015. This is by the guardian.com. It's 269 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:17,160 S4: an opinion piece. But this is a fact as written 270 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:22,170 S4: as recently recently as 2015. Nigel Short, the then vice 271 00:13:22,170 --> 00:13:26,370 S4: president of the World Chess Federation. Fader claimed that men 272 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:30,120 S4: are hardwired to be better chess players than women, adding, 273 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,020 S4: You have to gracefully you have to gracefully accept that. 274 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,380 S4: Now this is what this writer has then written. The 275 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:40,710 S4: English grandmaster went on to explain It was clear men 276 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:43,380 S4: and women's brains are different because he helps his wife 277 00:13:43,380 --> 00:13:45,420 S4: get the car out of the garage and she has 278 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:51,780 S4: more emotional intelligence than him. Could you? I mean, that 279 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:56,970 S4: wasn't in like 15, 15. That was in 2015. 280 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,540 S3: So seven, eight years ago. Yeah. Also. 281 00:14:01,230 --> 00:14:04,920 S4: According to this writer, Nigel Short, that guy got beaten 282 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,540 S4: by a woman. Judit Polgar has a winning record against. 283 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:11,640 S3: Him, so they probably went wrong with his hard wiring 284 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:17,069 S3: there in chess. The queen. 285 00:14:17,309 --> 00:14:23,420 S4: The best piece. Yeah. The king is useless. Exactly right. Absolutely. Yeah. 286 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:23,940 S4: What's going. 287 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:24,690 S3: On here? 288 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:29,040 S4: Oh, I don't know. Um. I mean, and the idea. Okay, 289 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,310 S4: so here's the thing. The most of the arguments about 290 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:36,990 S4: transgender women in sport would revolve around the physicality. 291 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:37,980 S3: Yes. 292 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:41,310 S4: Um, I'm not a scientist, so I don't know, but 293 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:44,370 S4: I'm just going to say words like testosterone and estrogen 294 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:45,090 S4: and stuff. 295 00:14:45,090 --> 00:14:49,020 S3: Well, don't be a Nigel and start saying things that 296 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:51,810 S3: you're not qualified to say. 297 00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:53,970 S4: I certainly won't. All right. 298 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,180 S3: I read that both figuratively and literally in the case 299 00:14:57,180 --> 00:14:57,660 S3: of this, the. 300 00:14:57,660 --> 00:15:00,960 S4: Thing that I want to bring up. Okay. Because the 301 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,270 S4: argument would be for some reason that Nigel thinks that, 302 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:06,270 S4: you know, women aren't hardwired to play chess. Right? A 303 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:09,570 S4: game of the mind, a battle of the mind. Right. 304 00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:12,630 S4: Because he backs his partner's car. So it's not like 305 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:14,250 S4: it's not like, Why do. 306 00:15:14,250 --> 00:15:15,390 S3: You say that? Because I. 307 00:15:15,630 --> 00:15:16,920 S4: So it's not my wife's car. 308 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,310 S3: It's not like. 309 00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:19,470 S4: Women can't play chess because they put the piece in 310 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:22,950 S4: the wrong square. Like, that's the argument that he's using 311 00:15:22,950 --> 00:15:26,820 S4: because their spatial awareness is slightly different. They might be 312 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:31,050 S4: making mistakes on on what? Where they put the piece. 313 00:15:31,050 --> 00:15:34,050 S4: But the other thing is this conversation came up on 314 00:15:34,050 --> 00:15:36,430 S4: the weekend because we were at dinner with some friends 315 00:15:36,430 --> 00:15:39,840 S4: and my partner was asking about guys wrestling, you know, 316 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,410 S4: like not like this sport wrestling, but like. Do you 317 00:15:43,410 --> 00:15:45,810 S4: like it? Do you have friends that wrestle? 318 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:49,830 S3: Oh. Growing up in bloody high school, you'd have a 319 00:15:49,870 --> 00:15:53,380 S3: some person who tried, like, put you in a headlock 320 00:15:53,380 --> 00:15:57,160 S3: for no reason. Right, Right. Why are we doing this? 321 00:15:57,310 --> 00:15:59,260 S4: I was, like, saying, like, I don't know. There might 322 00:15:59,260 --> 00:16:01,030 S4: be some. I mean, I'm sure that there's plenty of 323 00:16:01,030 --> 00:16:03,100 S4: women out there who do understand, but there might be 324 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:06,340 S4: some who don't quite understand that, like sleepovers for guys 325 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:12,730 S4: in high school, there would always be like someone who wrestled, 326 00:16:12,730 --> 00:16:15,970 S4: like you'd be wrestling and like, you'd be, like, falling 327 00:16:15,970 --> 00:16:18,670 S4: off the bed, like wrestling, like, ah. 328 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:20,920 S3: Let me go, like, too serious too. 329 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,500 S4: Quickly. And that's what you did. And I was talking 330 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,350 S4: about it with my partner and our other friend, and 331 00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:28,150 S4: I was like, So what was the what was the 332 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:32,380 S4: wrestling equivalent for girls in high school? And they both 333 00:16:32,380 --> 00:16:36,770 S4: unanimously agreed. And Brian, maybe you can just help. Help 334 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:40,950 S4: me out of here. If it was just girls being 335 00:16:40,950 --> 00:16:45,060 S4: super mean to each other, it seemed like. 336 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:45,720 S11: What do you mean? 337 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,740 S4: Like being, like pretending to whisper about one another and then, like, giggling. 338 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:52,150 S4: You're like, Oh. 339 00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:55,950 S11: It's like if I was over at a friend's. 340 00:16:55,950 --> 00:16:59,490 S4: Place and two guys started whispering to each other and 341 00:16:59,490 --> 00:17:02,280 S4: then laughing and pointing at me, I'd be like, Guys, what? 342 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,490 S4: What are you doing? Like, why are you being mean 343 00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:05,979 S4: to me? 344 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,600 S3: Would you take the wrestling or the fake whispering? 345 00:17:08,609 --> 00:17:11,130 S4: I'd be like, Come on, just find me guys. There's 346 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,250 S4: no need for this psychological warfare. 347 00:17:14,940 --> 00:17:16,940 S11: Well, I don't remember that, to be honest. 348 00:17:16,950 --> 00:17:20,340 S3: Where does farting on the other person's pillow come into this? 349 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:21,180 S3: Because that's. 350 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,250 S4: I mean, that's just childish, okay? And that's. There's no 351 00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:27,000 S4: that wouldn't. 352 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,200 S3: Happen to girls sleepovers. 353 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,040 S11: Bron You know what? 354 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,110 S10: I really remember being a things like trying to do 355 00:17:31,109 --> 00:17:33,000 S10: an all nighter was like a big deal. 356 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,320 S11: Yeah, but what about against each other? 357 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,800 S4: How did you flex your muscles against each other? Because 358 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,830 S4: this seems to be like a psychological warfare, that the 359 00:17:40,830 --> 00:17:43,740 S4: girls were able to go against each other. And in 360 00:17:43,740 --> 00:17:46,290 S4: this case, when it comes to game of chess, there 361 00:17:46,290 --> 00:17:52,140 S4: is nothing more like headstrong and psychologically intimidating than gossiping 362 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:55,510 S4: and pretending to, like whisper about people and telling them 363 00:17:55,530 --> 00:17:59,010 S4: they smell and stuff. Just outright bullying. Like, that's. 364 00:17:59,010 --> 00:17:59,790 S11: Brutal. 365 00:17:59,790 --> 00:18:00,690 S10: I don't have memories. 366 00:18:02,609 --> 00:18:05,850 S4: All right. Well, maybe it was maybe it was just the. 367 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:09,360 S4: The circles that I hang out with. Yeah. So, look, 368 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,970 S4: as far as I'm concerned. Women are just as hard 369 00:18:12,970 --> 00:18:17,080 S4: wired to be playing a game of a battle of 370 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,400 S4: the mind. That's for damn sure. But look, who knows 371 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,530 S4: what's going to happen with this. Trans women in chess 372 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:26,139 S4: stuff it's going to take apparently could take a couple 373 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:30,520 S4: of years for them to wait for the, um, what 374 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,820 S4: is it for them to figure out whether it will 375 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:37,210 S4: affect the game or not? And this a weird thing. 376 00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:40,710 S4: Fadi wrote in an email responding to criticism. Of course, 377 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:43,770 S4: men and women are equally intellectually capable, however, in chess 378 00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:47,700 S4: as a sport. Other factors like physical endurance may play 379 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:50,580 S4: a role. What? 380 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,500 S10: That was a recent quote. 381 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:57,149 S4: What am I. Am I. Are we talking about the 382 00:18:57,150 --> 00:19:00,180 S4: same game? So doubting that it's tiring. 383 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:04,680 S3: But hang on. A trans women are going to be weird. 384 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:07,440 S3: Which category do they compete? Are they banned from everything? 385 00:19:07,859 --> 00:19:08,820 S4: I honestly don't. 386 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,990 S3: Know. There was the Miss Italy competition recently. No. In solidarity. 387 00:19:13,170 --> 00:19:17,189 S3: A whole bunch of biologically, you know, biologically born women 388 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:20,400 S3: who have transitioned to to male all entered the the 389 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,810 S3: Miss Italy. 390 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,640 S4: Know so I believe that. 391 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,330 S3: To show how silly that particular ban was. 392 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,940 S4: No I believe that they're still allowed to play in 393 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:32,820 S4: the open categories. It's just they're not allowed to play 394 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:35,700 S4: against just the women anyways. 395 00:19:35,869 --> 00:19:36,330 S3: Oh, man. 396 00:19:36,690 --> 00:19:39,030 S4: The porn is in your court Friday. 397 00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:41,129 S3: Porn is on your board. 398 00:19:41,130 --> 00:19:43,680 S4: I don't know. I told you I don't watch it much, 399 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:48,330 S4: and it's just given me another reason not to watch it. 400 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,220 S3: Matt, yesterday you told a story here on all day 401 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:16,420 S3: breakfast of rocking up to an extremely fancy lunch. Was 402 00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:18,520 S3: it a bottle of moonshine? What did you come with again? It. 403 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,750 S3: Was that what you rocked up with? 404 00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:28,300 S4: Yeah. Look, Hayden Quinn, Master chef, Star, you know, very 405 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:32,920 S4: famous television chef cook. Um, great guy. Genuinely such a 406 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,800 S4: nice guy. Brought a very nice bottle of wine to 407 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:38,109 S4: everyone that he'd kept under his bed for 18 years. 408 00:20:38,109 --> 00:20:40,690 S4: It was a present from his 18th for his from 409 00:20:40,690 --> 00:20:41,590 S4: his dad. 410 00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:45,760 S3: Matt said to the drive through bottle. Oh, no, let's 411 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,570 S3: just have something slightly fancier. Came in with a $35 412 00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:52,570 S3: bottle of plonk. And I tell you what. Oh man, 413 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:55,180 S3: that's what I did. It absolutely plonked the mood at 414 00:20:55,869 --> 00:20:59,170 S3: this particular dinner party. But that is all yesterday. So 415 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:00,490 S3: go back and listen if you like. But it did 416 00:21:00,490 --> 00:21:02,500 S3: remind me of like because I was picturing you in 417 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:06,550 S3: this situation, knowing that in your backpack you had this 418 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:11,040 S3: this underdressed wine ready to bring out. I was thinking like, 419 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,610 S3: would you go and hide it? What do you do? 420 00:21:12,609 --> 00:21:15,429 S3: It reminded me of something that happened while ago now, 421 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:17,679 S3: when my friend was getting married. Okay. I went out 422 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:24,140 S3: to get a. A present to give them for their wedding. Okay. 423 00:21:24,290 --> 00:21:25,940 S3: Because I wasn't going to be able to make it. 424 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:28,490 S3: I was there a week beforehand and I went round 425 00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:30,020 S3: to their house and what I do, I was in 426 00:21:30,020 --> 00:21:33,140 S3: a local art shop and there was this nice looking print. 427 00:21:33,260 --> 00:21:38,060 S3: This was like this hand-drawn owl picture local artist. I thought, Awesome, 428 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:40,490 S3: this will be great. That'll look amazing on the wall. 429 00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:43,850 S3: Wrap it up, get the gift, Go out there. It's 430 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:45,050 S3: sitting in the car. We're having a bit of a 431 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:46,489 S3: chat and I think before I go, I'll go out 432 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:48,410 S3: and grab it and bring it in and wish them 433 00:21:48,410 --> 00:21:53,250 S3: a very happy nuptials. Sitting in the house and my 434 00:21:53,250 --> 00:21:56,130 S3: girlfriend at the time, like literally it's like that elbow 435 00:21:56,130 --> 00:22:00,030 S3: nudge from a movie, like look up, look up on 436 00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:02,760 S3: the wall. I look up on the wall, there is 437 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:10,080 S3: the exact same al hand-drawn prints on the wall. And 438 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,330 S3: I think I brought in the present maybe and put 439 00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:14,820 S3: it behind the couch. And so I had to go 440 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:17,609 S3: and sort of like pick it up and take it 441 00:22:17,609 --> 00:22:22,590 S3: back out of the house to the car because I. 442 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:23,369 S11: Couldn't give him my. 443 00:22:23,369 --> 00:22:25,889 S4: God, Could you imagine if you'd gotten busted walking out 444 00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:27,090 S4: with the present like. 445 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:27,840 S11: He's. 446 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,240 S4: Stealing my present, You're taking my present back. 447 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,810 S3: But I couldn't believe it. The same gift. 448 00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:37,080 S4: The positive is that, you know, they taste like that. 449 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:37,620 S4: That got. 450 00:22:37,619 --> 00:22:39,419 S3: Immaculate taste. And I went back and there was a 451 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:41,369 S3: few other prints of different animals. I ended up back 452 00:22:41,369 --> 00:22:43,410 S3: and going getting a rabbit print. And so they had 453 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:45,959 S3: like now matching matching prints. 454 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,750 S4: So you ducked out. You actually left the party and 455 00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:49,950 S4: went and got a new one. 456 00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:52,919 S3: Smoke bombs went back. I didn't do it that day. 457 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,419 S3: Like I took about returned it the next day and 458 00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:56,939 S3: like drove back out and gave it to them and 459 00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:59,609 S3: explained the situation because it was quite hilarious. But yeah, 460 00:22:59,609 --> 00:23:02,340 S3: it just reminded me of like when you, you sense 461 00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:06,869 S3: in the moment I've got to quickly swap something out here. 462 00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:10,560 S3: So we asked you, when have you done the old switcheroo? 463 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,750 S3: Lincoln said, I used to carefully peel off the plastic 464 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:16,949 S3: seal on my brother's box of favorites, chocolates and swap 465 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:20,760 S3: over all my crappy bounty and morrow for his good ones. 466 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,970 S3: And then just put them back. Very. So you've got two. 467 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,460 S3: You eat half of what you want, that you take 468 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:28,830 S3: the good half from the other one. You take them out, 469 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:29,909 S3: load it with the rubbish. 470 00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:32,399 S4: What. No, I don't agree with you with bounty being 471 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,510 S4: declared a crappy bar. 472 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:34,290 S3: But bounty. 473 00:23:34,290 --> 00:23:36,750 S4: Stinks. Nah, but morrow. I mean, come. 474 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:38,100 S3: On, give me morrow every day of the. 475 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,540 S11: Week. Are you kidding me? It's the New. 476 00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:40,590 S3: Zealand Mars bar. 477 00:23:40,590 --> 00:23:44,730 S4: No, it's. It is. It does not shine a candle 478 00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:46,199 S4: to the Mars. 479 00:23:46,650 --> 00:23:47,580 S11: All right? It might not. 480 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:50,520 S3: Be a mars level, but it is leaps and bounds 481 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:50,970 S3: ahead of the. 482 00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:57,010 S4: Bounty. Also, the bounty is isn't the bounty mars. Bounty 483 00:23:57,010 --> 00:23:57,970 S4: is Mars. I'm pretty. 484 00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:58,869 S3: Sure I've seen the. 485 00:23:58,869 --> 00:24:01,030 S4: Favorite. So something else? Something else. 486 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,609 S3: Who knows what's going on? We've also got Jake calling 487 00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:04,930 S3: us right now today. Jake. 488 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,890 S12: Hey, there you go. 489 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:09,189 S4: Good. Thanks, Jake. Now, you had a little switcheroo with 490 00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:10,060 S4: your housemate. 491 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:13,000 S12: Yeah. Yeah. So I used to do the old sneaky 492 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,240 S12: and just start switches on these out. He's old hole 493 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,659 S12: filled bloody undies and just take my ones because we 494 00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:20,740 S12: bought the same brand. 495 00:24:21,910 --> 00:24:24,280 S4: And so why. So he just went through his a 496 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,450 S4: bit quicker did he. 497 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:28,570 S12: Yeah I suppose so. I don't know what he was 498 00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:30,280 S12: up to. Yeah. 499 00:24:30,490 --> 00:24:34,149 S3: Wait, so he's he used to swap yours in and. 500 00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:36,760 S12: Yeah. I used to take my good ones. Give me 501 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,510 S12: the whole one. 502 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:40,540 S4: Oh there's nothing, there's nothing more annoying than that because 503 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:42,609 S4: I'm sure you'll like me, Jake. You got a couple 504 00:24:42,609 --> 00:24:45,460 S4: of nice ones that when it's date night you're working 505 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:47,439 S4: on the you're working on the good ones, and suddenly 506 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,840 S4: you find everything's hanging out. 507 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:52,689 S12: Yeah. I didn't think I was going to notice. 508 00:24:52,690 --> 00:24:53,350 S11: Well. 509 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,970 S3: Sort of holes. Just see seem to appear on Andy's. 510 00:24:57,970 --> 00:24:59,560 S3: How do you know that? You weren't just making the 511 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,730 S3: holes yourself. 512 00:25:01,150 --> 00:25:04,150 S12: Well, look, I don't know what universe he lived in, man. 513 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:06,640 S4: This guy's walking around wearing a block. A Swiss cheese, 514 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,570 S4: it sounds like. All right, well, look, we hope you're 515 00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:12,850 S4: Andy's a hole free now. Jake, thanks very much for 516 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:13,720 S4: getting in touch. 517 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,640 S12: Have a good one. You, too. 518 00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:18,760 S3: And as always, if you've got a last minute switcheroo, 519 00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:20,320 S3: don't worry, send them through. 520 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,050 S4: And thank you for listening to another Matt and Alex 521 00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:26,770 S4: all day. Breakfast. We sincerely hope we get to see 522 00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:28,630 S4: you same time, same place tomorrow. 523 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:31,840 S3: That's the way we will catch you next time. Until then, 524 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,379 S3: bye bye. 525 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:35,680 S2: That's it. The all day breakfast kitchen is closed. Got 526 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,530 S2: something to add to the show? Slide into our DMS 527 00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:40,870 S2: at Matt and Dot Alex.