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S3: Hey, babe. Hey. How are you? So good. How was
S3: your weekend? Busy? Yeah. So busy. Just with kids. I
S3: had training, basketball games, finals, dance concerts. How was your weekend? Uh, crazy.
S3: Absolutely crazy. So maybe three cricket games, athletics, three parties.
S3: Then we went up to Arthur's Seat, which is little.
S3: Little country property. And, you know, I've got the biggest
S3: fear of spiders, right? Like, I actually got myself kicked
S3: off The Amazing Race TV show last year because I
S3: wouldn't eat a spider. I wouldn't even stand in the restaurant. Yes,
S3: I know. So we were spending our first night on
S3: the On the weekend after a five month build in
S3: this new property, and I'd got the pest guy out
S3: the week before and I said, spray outside, spray inside.
S3: I'm not going in there until it's done. So we
S3: sprayed it so it's all good. We're sitting there, we're
S3: watching the cricket, having a nice hot chocolate. I looked
S3: up at the ceiling. What do you think I see?
S4: Oh, God. I could just only imagine. Yeah, a huntsman
S4: or even just the tiniest spider. You would freak.
S3: It was a huntsman. I died, I said, Chris, sell
S3: the house. If no one wants it, burn it down.
S3: I am never coming back here.
S4: Oh, my God.
S3: I just can't. If it was a snake, I'd be fine.
S3: I would have got the broom and I would have
S3: pushed it out. I'm fine with bugs. I'm fine with snakes.
S3: But a spider? Nah.
S4: But other than that, was it a good weekend?
S3: I just think four kids is a lot. You've got three, right? Yeah.
S3: Anything over two I think is like too many.
S4: Yeah. You know what? You do have a lot of kids.
S4: It's a lot of chaos. And just to spread yourself. Yeah.
S4: Between the four of them.
S3: And the house and the.
S4: Work. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you do it.
S4: I struggle with three.
S3: Yeah, Three's a lot. I think with two, you can
S3: divide and conquer. And then anything after that is is
S3: absolute chaos. Uh, so even my kids, like, will be
S3: in the car and I'll be screaming at one of them.
S3: I'm threatening one to walk out, like to get kicked
S3: out of the car and walk home. One's always injured
S3: or has some medical issue or the school's calling about something.
S3: There's always stuff popping off and the kids in the
S3: car when I'm screaming at them, just say, mom, when
S3: we grow up, we don't think we're going to have
S3: four kids. There's too many. I'm like, yes, God. Not
S3: that I would swap any of them.
S4: Yeah, yeah.
S3: Yeah, I would not trade any of my kids in,
S3: but man, I would not recommend four.
S4: It is a different level. I have to agree. I
S4: have seen it firsthand with your children, especially with Tom
S4: and Darcy licking the window, the window of the car
S4: as the window goes down. Yeah, I just I don't
S4: know how you do it, but you know what? What?
S4: You've had four come out of you. Yeah. I'm going
S4: to talk about what went at me this week.
S3: I love.
S4: It. It was definitely not a child.
S3: What was.
S4: It? So this week I got my fanny steamed.
S3: Also known as the yoni. The yoni, yoni steam.
S4: So yeah. Had that done this week. Very interesting.
S3: That's the thing. On this podcast, we're going to bring
S3: you all the wellness and beauty treatments. You are the
S3: wanted to try or you didn't know you needed to try.
S3: And we thought Yoni, assuming we'd always kind of like,
S3: talked about it and wondered about it and you.
S4: Like I committed.
S3: You committed. You took one for the team.
S4: I did, I took one.
S3: We had a yoni steam party.
S4: We did.
S3: So picture this, guys, there's a throne. You sit on
S3: the throne, it's got a hole cut out. And that's
S3: where you steam the tea leaves that go up into
S3: your vulva area. We steam the tea, and then you
S3: sat on the throne, and then you thought it's not
S3: really doing enough. So we steamed it and then popped
S3: it under. And I think the risk is like, when
S3: you do this for the first time, you think it's
S3: going to burn you and you don't want to fire Fanny, right?
S4: Yep. So you go by.
S3: You haven't had a fire Fanny before?
S4: No, no. So I just kind of thought, like we
S4: went with the instructions. It said boil for 15 minutes
S4: on in a pot and then leave it for five
S4: to rest and cool down and then put it under
S4: your throne. So we did that. But then I didn't
S4: feel the heat. So we went back to the stove
S4: and we prepared it again, and at full boil we
S4: put it under the the throne at full boil. But
S4: I still had to really think about the steam going
S4: up there. But then also I felt like my legs
S4: weren't spread enough.
S3: Mate, your legs were spread so much by the end
S3: it was like you were doing the splits. Yeah. And
S3: I actually said to Jesse, like, I can't feel it,
S3: it's not going up. I'm like, oh, that's oh, she's
S3: so cute as a button down there. I said, babe,
S3: get the fingers in, spread the flies. I literally had.
S4: To I had to like, spread my flaps to like,
S4: get the tea up there. And it just I still
S4: kind of didn't feel much.
S3: But you know what? I think that the whole point
S3: of it is, upon reflection, it is supposed to be
S3: a slow Low steam. It's not meant to be hot.
S3: It's not meant to set you on fire. Yeah, that's
S3: why they say you're meant to sit on it for
S3: 45 minutes.
S4: Which we did. And then about 20 minutes in, I
S4: did feel something. I had to think about it, but
S4: then I it felt like spicy, as if, like I
S4: just wiped myself subtly with toothpaste. Like it felt minty fresh.
S3: Minty. In a good way.
S4: In a good way. Yeah. So yeah.
S3: In three words, describe the experience of your yoni steam.
S4: So I would describe it as spicy. Ooh, yeah. Yeah. Spicy. Interesting.
S4: And also like underwhelming. A little bit.
S3: Underwhelming. Like, what were you expecting to happen?
S4: I think I was expecting to sit on this magical
S4: throne and this, like, heat of steam of all these
S4: amazing smells. We're just going to go up my hoo ha.
S4: And it was just going to be like, orgasmic. Yeah.
S4: Like I was going to have an orgasm on the
S4: on my throne. Like, I.
S3: Didn't.
S4: Know, and I didn't.
S3: Know you were going to getting an orgasm right in
S3: front of me.
S4: Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't.
S3: Have cared. And your dogs. And my dog. Your little
S3: puppies were sitting there watching you the whole time, just going,
S3: what the hell is she doing? And then they were
S3: trying to eat me. Eat the tea.
S4: Quite a lot of things went down after it.
S3: The next week. Drama.
S4: Drama. It's not even drama. It was trauma. So I'm
S4: really excited to have a professional on today. Who we
S4: got on.
S3: We've got Doctor Christy Costello's coming on. She is a
S3: doctor who specialises in faces and fannies. She's excellent. She's
S3: perfect to answer all of your questions.
S2: The name is doctor Christy.
S3: Costello's doctor. Christy, how are you?
S5: I am really well. Thank you so much for having me.
S3: Oh, thank you so much for coming on. Little backstory.
S3: So you and I met very recently at a conference,
S3: and you were there with your, your faces hat on
S3: because it because it was like a cosmetics conference. And
S3: then you started talking about women's health. I was like,
S3: this is perfect because we need someone who knows about cosmetics,
S3: but also can help with women's health. And you said, yeah,
S3: pretty much. I'm known as the faces and fannies expert.
S3: I'm like, you are our girl faces and fannies. Love it.
S4: All the orifices.
S5: All the lips.
S4: So welcome, Doctor Christie. I would love to know your
S4: qualifications around faces and fannies.
S5: I've got a Bachelor of medical science. I also have
S5: a and I majored in immunology in that. And then
S5: I've got a Bachelor of Medicine and a Bachelor of
S5: Surgery with an honours component to that. I have a
S5: master's in women's reproductive medicine. I have a diploma of
S5: child Health. I also have a master's in forensic medicine,
S5: and I'm also a fellow of the Royal Australasian College
S5: of General Practice. So I'm a fellow GP.
S3: A round of applause. Are you still studying? You know what, babe?
S3: You're never going to pay that debt off.
S4: Ever.
S3: So, Doctor Christie, tell us, what is Yoni steaming?
S5: So Yoni steaming is it's actually a traditional practice that's
S5: been around for millennia, I think. Um, but it is
S5: effectively vaginal steaming. So it's a practice where a human
S5: being sits over a bowl of steaming, herbally infused water
S5: and allows the steam to sort of, like, come up
S5: and reach the vaginal and perineal system. And it's it's
S5: believed to have some therapeutic and cleansing benefits.
S3: Is there any evidence to say that yoni steaming has
S3: any health benefits?
S5: Not really. Not that I could find or no. What
S5: have we done to you?
S3: Steaming.
S5: You know, like dedicated people, but I looked, I really looked.
S4: What is it used for?
S5: So it's a traditional practice. I think it started in
S5: Korea a very, very long time ago. So it does
S5: come from those really long standing roots. But you basically
S5: sit over a bowl. Um, and there's normally some steam
S5: that's infused with all kinds of things, like herbal, mostly.
S5: And you allow the steam to give you a facial
S5: in your other face?
S4: Well, I had the very crazy experience doing it. It
S4: was very underwhelming when I actually did it, but.
S3: She couldn't get the steam in. And she she's sitting
S3: on the throne. Doctor Christie, which we built was from Amazon.
S3: And it had a little it's like a little wooden
S3: toilet seat that's not connected to any plumbing. And then
S3: you steam the tea. The tea had camomile, lavender.
S4: Dandelion.
S3: Wood. Woodworm, woodworm.
S4: Yeah. Something woodworm which is known for. It's good for parasites.
S4: It's good for detoxing, all that sort of stuff. So
S4: that's what I was looking at. A lot of the
S4: teas and a lot of teas had that particular, um,
S4: herb in it anyway.
S3: You weren't really getting it up there, right? So I
S3: said split them. Spread them.
S4: Yeah.
S3: Do it all. And you sat for about 45 minutes,
S3: and then at the end you stood up and you went, oh,
S3: there's a little bit of air bubble. And we're feeling
S3: a little bit spicy.
S4: Yeah. Minty spicy kind of feeling. I actually was due
S4: for my period and that day. That day.
S3: And she's never late, doctor Christie. Jess is never, ever,
S3: ever late.
S4: Never late.
S3: Never late. Only when you're pregnant.
S4: Only when I'm pregnant. And I was nine days late. Nine.
S5: Oh, God. I'm pregnant.
S4: I had five pregnancy tests I was sitting there doing.
S4: I've been all week sitting on tests every morning, doing
S4: a test, doing a test, doing. And it's all negative.
S3: And I've been stressed that she's going to be pregnant
S3: and wreck summer.
S4: Yeah, yeah. Yes.
S3: We go to Dom Dolla this weekend. Don't you wreck
S3: our raise the baby. Yes, yes.
S4: And it does say do not steam if you are pregnant.
S4: So I was sitting there going, oh God, I've done
S4: all this damage already.
S3: You were nine days late. And then that night.
S4: Yeah. So that night I actually went to bed and
S4: I woke up in a pool of sweat. I was
S4: full night sweats. Full night sweats. I had to change
S4: the sheets because I was so sweaty.
S3: Do you think this is related to the yoni steam?
S5: Do you know? Do you know what I've noticed? In fact,
S5: they've got like, a Latin saying for it because a
S5: lot of medicine has like a Latin background. If you're
S5: like British trained, Australian trained. I've noticed this a lot
S5: in medicine. And there's a Latin saying for it, and
S5: I'm probably going to butcher it, but it's like post
S5: hoc ergo propter hoc, right? And really what it means
S5: is A happened and then B happened. So we think
S5: that B happened because A happened. And so more of
S5: what I'm trying to say is I get patients all
S5: the time where they're like, oh, I got this treatment.
S5: And two days later I got a headache. They must
S5: be related. But really, they're two totally unrelated things. But
S5: we've just tied them together because they occurred around about
S5: the same time.
S3: So coincidental.
S5: Maybe it could be I would. I mean, it's a
S5: little bit interesting that you're so regular with your period
S5: and then really randomly, you aren't.
S3: Are you thinking.
S5: What I'm thinking? The answer she wants.
S4: I'm 34. Okay.
S3: Say it. Say the p word.
S5: Can come really early for some women.
S4: Oh.
S3: How old are you? 34.
S4: 34.
S3: That's what I was when you said night sweats. Period's late.
S3: And then when it's come and you've hemorrhaged so much.
S4: It was, like.
S3: Irregular. Babe, I think you're in, Perry. And tell Doctor
S3: Christie about grandma.
S4: My grandmother was 32 when she went through menopause.
S5: That is not fun for you.
S4: No, that's why I had babies at 21. So, Perry.
S3: Maybe. Maybe it's just a coincidence. Who knows?
S5: I mean, the science would tell you it'd be a
S5: little bit weird, cause obviously I'm a science based human,
S5: so I'm always going to try and bring it back to.
S5: How can these things logically or pragmatically be explained by
S5: the science? And I my brain can't get around how
S5: esteem which maybe didn't go all the way up, because
S5: that that seems like that would be quite hard to
S5: get up all the way up there. How would that
S5: then get through your cervix, which is that little thing
S5: at the end that's basically like a gate control mechanism. Yeah.
S5: You know, it's the thing that stretches out to where
S5: the baby out. But the rest of the time nothing
S5: is that is very shot. And then all your uterus
S5: lining and everything, it's all further up than that. So
S5: how I don't think there would be any way that
S5: the steam could get all the way up your canal,
S5: jump through your cervix, and then affect the lining of
S5: your uterus, which is what your period is. So I'm
S5: going to go with the coincidence.
S4: Okay.
S3: I'm going with Perry.
S5: Oh, yeah.
S4: She just she just so wants me to be Perry.
S3: Come and join the Perry Club, babe. It's fine. We'll
S3: get you some gel.
S4: Yes.
S3: Some oestrogen.
S4: Gets rid of wrinkles.
S3: So I guess this is something yoni steaming you probably
S3: wouldn't recommend as a medical professional.
S5: No, I mean, I think I think there's some risks, right?
S5: I'd be really interested, actually. Did you feel like it's steam? Right.
S5: Which is really hot and you know, you can burn
S5: that skin down there. I would be worried that maybe
S5: you're at risk of getting a perineal burn.
S4: I barely felt.
S3: It, and we really boiled it. Yeah, yeah, because.
S4: I wanted to feel something.
S3: You've had all your children cesarean sections, so it's not
S3: like you've got any thing down there that would stop feeling.
S3: Stop you from feeling.
S4: No, no. Yeah, but I also haven't had a baby.
S4: Kind of a hoo ha. So it's like.
S3: Everything. Now that's a real fire, Fanny.
S4: Yeah.
S3: I mean, some of the claims on that you see
S3: online or that that come with the tea, say, you know,
S3: it helps with.
S4: Fertility.
S3: Fertility or menstrual cramps or, you know, post-natal cleansing. I mean,
S3: there's a lot of claims. And like Doctor Christie said,
S3: there's there's no medical evidence for it.
S4: The other reason I really wanted to try it was
S4: because I don't sleep well. And then there was like,
S4: there was a lot of women that were saying that
S4: they sleep better when they had a yoni steam. Parasites
S4: and hemorrhoids, which most women have after childbirth. So I thought, okay,
S4: I'm going to give this a go. And I'm so YOLO. Like.
S3: Yeah, you will try anything?
S4: I'll try anything once to say I've done it and
S4: tick the box and.
S3: Then it's a good story to tell.
S4: Yeah, yeah, I'm full of stories.
S3: That's that's Jess's superpower is telling a story. Adding a
S3: little bit of mayo and entertaining the room. Yeah, yeah.
S3: Now you can tell everyone you steamed your fanny. Yes.
S3: And then it got spicy. Then you had night sweats
S3: and you thought you were pregnant.
S4: And had to do my pregnancy.
S3: Test story.
S4: I know.
S3: Have you heard any horror, Yoni? Steaming horror stories, Doctor Christie,
S3: in your research?
S5: Actually, I have, um, but I think anything that you
S5: look into enough you can find, like the good and
S5: the bad. Mhm. Um, so the stories I read about, uh,
S5: were burns so literally burning their perineum or their vulva
S5: with the hot steam, so maybe too close to it or,
S5: you know, not the right things. Maybe in it. I
S5: mean that would be that's not an area we want
S5: to get a burn in. Um, and I have also
S5: heard a couple of cases where I'm like, you know,
S5: the data has to be relooked at with a fine
S5: tooth comb because we don't get a lot of the
S5: data when there are these kinds of stories. Right? Because
S5: people just put up with whatever happened to them and
S5: they just stay at home. They're not necessarily writing about
S5: it for us.
S3: To find out. Hey, make me a participant in your
S3: really robust scientific study and let's find some more participants. Oh, really?
S5: Yeah, for some of the other things that I read
S5: about were like the vagina. It's meant to be self cleansing.
S5: Like it does have all of these bacteria in it.
S5: That's really novel. That's it's that's a healthy state for
S5: the vagina to exist in. And we get it into
S5: unhealthy states. If we get overgrowth of some bacteria, even
S5: if they're meant to be there, they're meant to be
S5: there in just the right amount. So people can develop
S5: conditions like yeast or bacterial vaginosis. If some things grow
S5: more than they should, and some of the stories or
S5: some of the things I looked up at as a
S5: bit of a warning for the yoni steaming is that
S5: Are we potentially knocking off some of the good bacteria
S5: and allowing a space then for the bad bacteria, or
S5: the bacteria that should only be there in a certain
S5: amount to overgrow, and then we're actually giving ourselves infections
S5: with it, or just imbalances of our natural flora. That's
S5: like those natural bugs.
S3: Totally.
S5: So those are the main things, like.
S3: Cause then some people say, oh, no, you read on
S3: a forum, it cured my bacterial vaginosis. But then, yes, it. Yeah.
S3: I guess when there's no there's no research, there's probably
S3: like if you're going to say a yay or an A,
S3: it's probably a nay. But but gee, we had fun
S3: doing it.
S5: No, I was just going to say sometimes in medicine, like,
S5: we know we're very Western trained and I think that
S5: there's a lot of good stuff that comes out of
S5: that traditional eastern medicine. I think we're a little bit
S5: inclined to, you know, in Western medicine, sometimes just throw
S5: the baby out with the bathwater. So I'm very mindful
S5: for my patients, especially in general practice, that if they
S5: come to me with something that's a little bit out
S5: of the box or a little bit, you know, not
S5: Western based. I really look at that and go, is
S5: my patient at risk of harm to themselves from this treatment?
S5: If there's no harm to my patient. But there's a
S5: potential benefit, whether that's psychological or physical or symptomatic, I'm
S5: absolutely not going to get in the way of that,
S5: because why would I take a potential benefit away from
S5: my patient? The only time that I'll step in the
S5: way and say, I really don't think it's a good
S5: idea is if I can prove that the effort to
S5: benefit ratio doesn't exist for them, that they're actually at
S5: risk of harm rather than potential benefit. And maybe with
S5: the yoni steaming, if there's no risk to the patient
S5: and you think that you're getting a benefit, it makes
S5: you feel better. I mean, who are we to take
S5: away something that's going to make somebody feel empowered or better?
S4: Like it's like a placebo.
S3: Yeah. And that's the other thing they do say it
S3: is empowering. You have more of a connection to down there.
S3: And I guess if it's if it makes you feel
S3: more zen and more relaxed and it's like therapy for
S3: you then And and you're not harming yourself, then if
S3: you want to give it a go, maybe give it
S3: a go.
S4: Do you know what I'm going to give it again? Yeah,
S4: I'm going to do it again just to see. I'll
S4: have me if you are perimenopausal. Yeah, I reckon I'll
S4: let my I'll see what happens next month. And if that's,
S4: if it comes at the right time, I'm like cool.
S4: And then the month after it, I'll do it again
S4: and see if there's a change in my cycle. Because again,
S4: it could be, you know, mind over matter because I
S4: knew I was doing it. It's like it's that whole
S4: saying when you are actively trying for a baby, you
S4: sometimes struggle, but the second you stop trying, you fall pregnant.
S4: It could be the same thing, that whole placebo in
S4: my head. I'm like, I'm doing a yoni steam and
S4: I didn't want to get my period.
S3: Because this is the thing. We had the yoni steam
S3: booked in and she's like, I'm due for my period
S3: that day. And I'm like, I just hold it in.
S3: Hold it in. We can't do the yoni steam. If
S3: you're bleeding. Hold it in, hold it in. You have
S3: oh my God, you're actually magic. You've managed to delay
S3: my mind over matter. I literally was.
S4: Wishing my period away. I'm like, I just need 24
S4: hours to do this on steam. I can't get my
S4: period because I can't then do the yoni steam. And
S4: I literally said to Becca, I'm like, I'm closing. She's like,
S4: how are you feeling? I'm like, I'm closing my legs in.
S4: Like I'm literally holding my uterus tight so I don't
S4: bleed just to do this yoni steam. And I literally,
S4: I think, wished away my period for nine days and then.
S4: So be.
S3: Careful what you wish for.
S4: Babe. Exactly. So I think.
S5: Power of the mind.
S4: Yeah, yeah, mind over matter. So I think I will
S4: wait for my next cycle and then.
S3: Maybe try it.
S4: Again and then try again.
S3: We've got lots of country left.
S4: We do, we've.
S3: Got, we've got oh, we've got an egg too. Have
S3: you seen those. How do you say tourmaline. Tourmaline. The tourmaline.
S3: Little eggs.
S4: It looks like an anal bead. Yes.
S5: I have actually seen those.
S3: Because they said you need to pop that up beforehand
S3: for an hour to feel the connection and then take
S3: it out and do the steam. Yes. Have you ever
S3: heard of any medical benefits of the tourmaline egg stone.
S3: It's got a little rope, like a tampon string. So you, like,
S3: pop it up and then you pull it out.
S5: Not that specific thing I've heard of, but I think
S5: we're putting a weight in. And I think for women's
S5: health in particular, we turn off our pelvic floors, particularly
S5: after we have children, we change the way that we stand,
S5: even the way that we use our hips. And there's
S5: a lot of subconscious turning off of a lot of
S5: the support of a pelvic floor for women. And unless
S5: you're doing a specific program under a really good physio
S5: or OT to bring that back online, those muscle fibers,
S5: they're just not getting any messages anymore. And we end
S5: up later on with a cascading effect from that. I
S5: wonder if the point of the egg and putting it
S5: up there is, it would force you to hold on
S5: to it as well. And I wonder if they're just
S5: trying to reconnect that neural pathway. Yes, but because you'd
S5: be thinking about it, wouldn't you be activating your pelvic
S5: floor to keep.
S3: The egg and keep it in.
S4: Because you'd be so scared you're going to lose it
S4: up there?
S3: So it's just gonna play?
S4: Yeah.
S3: For kids in. I'm taking the egg. I'm gonna disinfect it.
S3: I've got the icicle. I walk around with that.
S4: Yes.
S3: I love the smell of icicle. Do you use that
S3: in your practice, Doctor Christie, as your disinfectant?
S5: I'm using more of an ethanol based disinfectant. But icicle
S5: is very strong.
S3: I love it. All right. The eggs are coming home
S3: with me.
S4: Oh. The eggs. I reckon everyone needs an egg. Yes,
S4: that's a new pelvic floor.
S5: Turn that pelvic floor on.
S3: Yeah, maybe they like pelvic floor weights. And your women's
S3: health physio can prescribe pelvic floor weights, can't they?
S5: They can. So I can see how they've connected the
S5: two together.
S4: The other thing with black tourmaline tourmaline, tourmaline, it's actually
S4: a stone that a lot of kumbaya people use. And
S4: actually my husband wears it a lot to work. He
S4: wears it around his neck.
S3: It's oh my God, my son sleeps with a stone
S3: under his bed.
S4: Yes. And it'll be it'll be a tourmaline. So what
S4: it is, it actually is a energy blocker. So any
S4: negative energy, what it does, it blocks it out. So
S4: I reckon that's why they've chose that particular stone to
S4: go up to. So any bad energy.
S3: Yeah. Negative thoughts and bad spirits.
S4: Or big energy? Bad big dick. It keeps them away.
S4: If you're a single woman, put that good dick.
S3: Only.
S4: Only good dick only. So, I mean, who doesn't.
S5: Need something that's keeping your bad juju away?
S4: No. Exactly. If we ever do a product line through Vonage,
S4: we know what we're doing first. Yeah.
S3: We'll call it BD.
S4: Yeah, BD. Yeah, literally.
S2: Na na na na.
S6: Na.
S4: This is another quick question talking about vaginas. What can
S4: we do that's beneficial and healthy to maintain that area.
S4: Is there anything that you can particularly.
S3: Leave it alone.
S4: Yeah.
S5: Yeah. Like, to be fair, it's mostly leave it alone.
S5: I do see all of these really expensive, sort of
S5: like specific feminine hygiene washes and things that really kind
S5: of don't want any chemicals down there.
S3: Because it's self-cleaning. Right?
S5: It's self-cleaning. And you can get some very sensitive, you know,
S5: vaginas where the exposure to even soap will kick off,
S5: you know, an.
S4: Infection.
S5: Or.
S3: Is that when Christie is that when the balance is
S3: just completely off? Is that what happens and how what
S3: would you like? What do you recommend to get that
S3: balance right? If it's not a yoni steam, it's not
S3: a tourmaline bead. Yeah. Is there is it like probiotics or.
S5: I do think that probiotics are actually really good. I
S5: think it's so individual. Right. Because I think I think
S5: we like to make out like we're all just the
S5: same with the same processes. But I feel like women's
S5: health is so much more complicated than that. Yeah. And
S5: what works for one person might not work for the
S5: next person. Like I've definitely had patients where which this
S5: makes no scientific sense. I'm just I'm mindful of that.
S5: We pulled them off all yeast based products and their
S5: vaginal flora went back to normal. And other patients where
S5: they've had to avoid gluten and their vaginal flora has
S5: become more functional. I had one this is not an
S5: easy solution for some people. I had one patient and
S5: she kept coming in with recurrent UTIs. Recurrent bacterial vaginosis.
S5: That's me and I. Okay. You're not gonna like where
S5: the story is going.
S4: I just. Oh.
S3: UTIs and thrush.
S4: Yeah, I don't get. Yeah, I don't get thrush much,
S4: but I. UTIs are like my. Always, always get them.
S5: And this is not a solution. I'm saying for you
S5: in case your husband listens to this later. But this
S5: particular patient. I want to tell you, I went through
S5: this really exhaustive process with her to try and find
S5: out what was triggering this imbalance. And I tried all
S5: the things we did antibiotics, which I normally hate. We
S5: did lots of things. Anyway, one day she comes back
S5: probably about six months later, and that's the longest time
S5: frame I had gone without seeing her. And she comes
S5: in and it was like a review appointment and I
S5: was like, wow, this is like the longest in-between time
S5: frames in between infections. Did we finally sort of like
S5: sort it out? And she was like, oh no, I
S5: just got a new boyfriend.
S4: Yes.
S5: And it was the old boyfriend. There was something about
S5: his particular Flora and her particular flora floor that did
S5: not work, wasn't working. Oh, and the minute.
S3: She.
S5: Ditched.
S3: We can't tell.
S5: Val. No, this is why I was like, with this
S5: particular patient, the change of partner fixed everything.
S4: After a while, what I actually did in the end
S4: was I worked out my trigger through Covid lockdown. I
S4: always have a glass of wine before. You know, when
S4: I was cooking dinner, I stopped doing that for six
S4: weeks and I didn't get a UTI. So I know
S4: my trigger is wine, so if I have a wine
S4: and then I go, ooh, hey! Then I usually wake
S4: up with a UTI the next day.
S3: So it's so bizarre.
S4: Mine's wine. Depressing I know, I know.
S3: Especially in Covid, that's like the only thing that was
S3: getting us through, let's.
S4: Be honest. Yeah, exactly. So it was like mine was wine.
S3: So maybe just.
S5: Be taking the all prim like it's a trimethoprim is
S5: the first line of antibiotic for you guys. I've just
S5: been taking the time with them and the wine together.
S4: And the wine at the same time.
S5: I'm like.
S7: It is what it is.
S4: Yeah.
S3: Is that like, maybe you could try a condom?
S4: Um, yeah. Oh, no. I'm. I'm allergic to them. I'd
S4: get thrashed from that. Yeah. Just. Yeah. Anyway, so anyway.
S3: Anyway, Doctor Christie, last question. Why do you think Yoni
S3: Steaming has had a resurgence in popularity in recent years?
S3: Is it TikTok? Is it social media? Is it. People
S3: are just looking at natural therapies.
S4: Is it Gwyneth Paltrow?
S3: Yes, I think it is.
S5: Yeah.
S4: The Kardashians.
S5: Did it. I think it's all of the above. What
S5: I probably I think it's just a sign in general
S5: because I see I've seen this a lot just in
S5: the last kind of like two decades, um, of my
S5: medicine is that I think women are really looking for
S5: how they can take charge of their female health, because
S5: I think that particularly in Western medicine, I think it's
S5: been really catered for and really poorly understood for a
S5: very long time. And I think we're seeing a real
S5: resurgence in the last sort of even ten years of
S5: like an understanding of how women's health works, how we
S5: can be doing things better for women. I think it's
S5: probably just also part of that women just going, hey,
S5: we want to like, we don't want to be ignored.
S5: We don't want that part of our lives being ignored
S5: in medicine or in cultural significance. So how can we
S5: reclaim that space a little bit? And I mean, TikTok's
S5: probably helped, but yeah, I think it's just, you know,
S5: we want to understand what's going on and maybe we
S5: do want to reconnect. Yeah.
S4: Yeah. So, Doctor Christie, will you, um, after this podcast,
S4: go and steam your yoni?
S5: Do you know what? I think we have a lot
S5: in common, because I will literally try everything again as well,
S5: and I this has been my theory in cosmetics as well.
S5: How can I recommend something to a patient if I
S5: haven't tried it myself or understood the process myself? So
S5: I think before I really said yay or nay, I
S5: probably would give it a crack. Yeah, I mean, 30
S5: minutes of sitting somewhere is mindfulness. So if I was
S5: sitting there for 30 minutes, I'd probably feel better just
S5: from that.
S4: Yeah. So true.
S3: Thank you, Doctor Christie.
S4: Yes, thank you so much for coming on. And, you know,
S4: opening up your world, but also giving us a little
S4: insight on actually what Yoni steaming is about. Um, even
S4: though we jumped the gun and we did it before,
S4: we actually really deep diving in and what we were actually.
S3: Doing probably should have asked you first before we did it,
S3: but I've liked the the outcomes and the findings, and
S3: I think we've got to get Doctor Christie back on
S3: to talk us through perimenopause.
S4: Yes.
S3: Because I think that's where we could have potentially landed. Uh, yeah.
S3: So thank you.
S4: Thank you so much.
S5: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate.
S2: It.
S3: She's good.
S4: Doctor Christie. Oh, my God, she's amazing. And wow. Like,
S4: just to know all about the yoni steaming and it's
S4: not really obviously it's not. There's no evidence that it's beneficial.
S3: And we knew that going into it.
S4: We did, we did.
S3: But we knew it would do no harm.
S4: Um, we took all the right steps and precautions to
S4: make sure that my fanny didn't burn. Um, but I
S4: am going to try it again. Yeah, I am going
S4: to do it again just to say I've done it twice. Yeah.
S4: And just to say, if the week that I had,
S4: would it replicate again.
S3: There's been a lot of potential outcomes from this. There's
S3: more questions that need to be answered.
S4: Yeah, exactly.
S3: One just quick question before we sign off. When you're
S3: doing those pregnancy tests, were you a little bit excited
S3: or were you like trauma in your mind?
S4: I think I was trauma, I think I was more trauma.
S4: I thought I actually would have been excited because I'm
S4: always like when I'm having a boring day at home
S4: and I'm not doing much because I'm always need to
S4: be stimulated. I'm like, I'll have a baby that will
S4: free up my time.
S3: So you randomly come to me every so often and just,
S3: I think I'm gonna have a baby. I'm like, oh no,
S3: she just needs a dopamine hit. Go and buy something.
S4: Yes, yes, yes.
S3: Jump online or go down to Scanlon and buy something.
S4: Buy something. And that for me, it's kind of get.
S3: Your fix that way.
S4: Yeah, get my fix. So I think I've always initially
S4: gone I want more babies. And then and you know,
S4: I'm never going to say never because I am 34
S4: and I feel like that's the time people usually try
S4: to have babies and not at 21, but when I
S4: was doing the pregnancy test, I was like, I know,
S4: like I can't have a baby right now. Like I'm
S4: so busy.
S3: So you were scared when you were waiting for the results?
S3: You were a little bit excited.
S4: Yeah. No, like I usually like I was, I was
S4: a bit more scared. And then when you kind of
S4: dropped the whole maybe you're perimenopausal. I'm like, you better
S4: be positive.
S3: You'd rather be pregnant than getting old. Yeah. IC it's
S3: an IC.
S4: It's an.
S3: IC. That's why we're doing this podcast. No we are.
S3: Aging is a.
S4: Privilege. It is.
S3: It is. We just don't want to look old. And that's.
S4: Okay. We just want to look like Cher.
S3: Winding back the.
S4: Clock. Exactly. And that's all we're doing. We want to
S4: live forever.
S3: Yeah, we want to feel good. Yeah, we want to
S3: look good. And I think just take the shame away
S3: from being a little bit vain.
S4: Exactly. At the end of the day, we're just vain ish.
S2: Yeah. Only do what we wanna know. Yeah. We're gonna
S2: go now if you want to go. Nah nah nah nah.