1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Join me now on the Java House Peel and Poor 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Guest line. You hear him on this show, I would 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: say nearly weekly because there are always new injuries to 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: talk about. He is the foremost expert when it comes 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: to athletic training. Ralph Reef dot com r e i 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: f f dot com. You should go to the website 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: just to look at the different places in which Ralph 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: has worked as an athletic trainer and the different places 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: in which he's had an impact on that profession, because 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: that alone is impressive. But he joins us now in 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: the program, and Ralph, I want to begin with this. 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time before we get into the Daniel 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Jones injury. Riley Leonard, who is a player that trained 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: going into the draft with Philip Rivers, amongst other quarterbacks 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: who have done so. But Riley Leonard after his game 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville with the Colts, now we know has a 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Grade one PCL sprain. I have no idea what that means. 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: So that means roughly what and how severe is something 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: like that? 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good afternoon, Jake and Riley Leonards. So PCL 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: is the posterior cruciate ligament of the knee. There are 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: four substantial ligaments in the knee. The anterior cruciate ligament 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: a CL, we know. So the brother of that is 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: the PCL, and it does very little work compared to 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: what the ACLAN. 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: So that's the knee ligament. The Jake knee ligament is 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: the PCL ligament. 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So Jake, you're you're pretty much not needed 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: a lot of the time, okay, And until such time 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: that basically the knee might get hyper extended, and so 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: the big leg or the big bone on the bottom 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: of the leg, the tibia slides backwards a little bit 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: and in the knee joint and its sprains or stretches 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: that PCL. And that lines up with his what I read. 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: You know, he finished the game, he got on the plane, 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: he went home, walked into the complex Monday morning and said, hey, 37 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: my knee hurts. And so, quite honestly, that's really good 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: news that he's got a Grade one sprain of the 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: post your cruisiit ligament that can be managed. There's a 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: lot of good ways to manage that in a short 41 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: period of. 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: Time, okay. 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: And the so let me ask you this, Ralph, when 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: the average weekend warrior and maybe there's no definitive answer 45 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: on this. I realize every situation is different. But for 46 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: the average person that just goes out and plays some 47 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: pickup ball with some buddies or you know, does some pickleball, 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and they get they simply get 49 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: home and like, man, my knee was just last night, 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: I got to be honest with my knee was kind of sore. 51 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: Is that typically would the PCL be the most likely 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: of the injuries that the average person and would. 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: See, No, no, it's not, Jake. The PCL is it's 54 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: not high on the list of ligament injuries in the knee. 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: The MCL, the medial collateral ligament, is the most commonly 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: injured ligament of the knee. That's where your knee sort 57 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: of buckles in to the inside. So there's a lot 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: of things that support the back side of the knee. 59 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: The hamstring tendons come down and cross across the back 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: of the joint, and the calf muscles come up and 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: attach above the knee joints, so there's a lot of 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: bracing back there naturally, so the PCL has a lot 63 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: of protection. So I assume he got you know, it's 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: the NFL. Right, So any hit is a big hit. 65 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: And so something occurred that jammed him either in the 66 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: lower leg or up in the quad the thigh area 67 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: that that forced that knee into its pretty sessive hyper extension. 68 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: By the way, for the mcl I loved their bag Telapia, 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Their big telapia is fabulous. The cinnamon rolls at the 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: end of the day at mcl are also fantastic. 71 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: Ralph. 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: For what say they had some fish? What was it? Almadine? 73 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: The fish Almandine I think was really good. 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: Fantastic, right, I mean no question. Ralph Reef is my 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: guest Java House, Peel and Port guest line. Okay, Ralph. 76 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: So the the Riley Leonard, I know that one thing 77 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: that I've learned in the discussions that we've had is 78 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: that when there are ligament injuries or stress to a ligament, 79 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: you always, as a trainer, like to see twenty one 80 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: days from day of impact. For lack of a better phrase, 81 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: would that be the case with Riley Leonard with a 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: Grade one PCL strain? Is it still under that? Look, 83 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: he's going to need three weeks before we bring it 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: back in and revisit it mode Or is that a 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: shorter term injury. 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: Well, they graded this as a Grade one, which is 87 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: as mild as you can get on the grading scale. 88 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: So they did that via imaging, MRI et cetera. And 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: so so you shorten the clock. So because it's a minor, 90 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: you're going to have need less time for that to 91 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: feel better. And really, from this standpoint, Jake, you're right, 92 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: and I appreciate you being a good student of the 93 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: biology of these things, but we're going to shorten that 94 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: timeframe for the PCL. Again, the hamstring, all that musculature 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: on the backside of the knee helps protect it and 96 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: it can sit there and sort of bathe in its 97 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: own inflammation and it'll heal pretty well with that. But again, 98 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: tight clock, and that PCL is going to heal up 99 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: quicker than the twenty one day clock that I usually 100 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: put on them. 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the injury to Daniel Jones. And again, 102 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: Ralph Rief is my guest, and I want to be clear, 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: you know, out of respect to Ralph, these are not 104 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: situations where you are the trainer on record for them, 105 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: So we're speaking in generalities here as opposed to this, 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: you know, a specific nature on say, Daniel Jones. But 107 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: when we know that Daniel Jones had the torn achilles 108 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: and it was in a leg opposite of where we 109 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: had previously talked about the fibula fracture, is it possible 110 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,119 Speaker 1: or even probable that that tear came from a compensation 111 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: of the way he was moving because of the pain 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: from the other side. 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: Your intelligence starts today, So yes, that is very much 114 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: a compensation issue. The first thought I had I happened 115 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: to be up in Green Bay and folks up there 116 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: came out and said, Hey, Daniel Jones, I think he 117 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: just tore his achilles. And I was like, which leg 118 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: is it? And and they said it was his right leg, 119 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: And I said, he's been limping. He's been putting all 120 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: his weight on that right leg ever since the injury 121 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: to the fibula, and so predictable. No, but ben once 122 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: should happen to say man, A high percentage of the 123 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: rationale of why has to go to the fact that 124 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: he was basically doing one leg at hops for this 125 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: entire injury period. You know, we mentioned last week talking 126 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: about how painful that intererossious membrane is between the fibula 127 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: and the tibia. And I watched him on television with 128 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: some of his warm up stuff and that they had 129 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: on and I could just see, you know, hips lifted 130 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: a little higher on that left side. He was really 131 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: putting a lot of pressure on the right leg and 132 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: didn't anticipate it. But I'm not shocked that that compensation 133 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: caused that incident to occur. 134 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: That's sort of an injury, okay, And we're going to 135 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: speak again in generalities here, but a high level athlete 136 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: that is twenty eight years old and has the phibi 137 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: the issue on the left side and now the achilles 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: on the right. The achilles is going to be the 139 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: longer term injury. If we are in December right now, 140 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the a realistic time frame as to when Daniel Jones 141 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: will have complete range of movement and basically unimpeded movement 142 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: getting back onto the field would be what month. 143 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, don't compare it to Tyrese because of the difference 144 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: in sports, right and so I would anticipate that between 145 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: now and camps in May. You know, that's six months 146 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: from now. He could very much be flat footed, no boot, 147 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: no restriction of flat footed movie sort of getting up 148 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: on his toes and throwing the football, and so I 149 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: would anticipate seeing that as well that you know, come May, 150 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: I think people will be very excited and say, boy, 151 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: he looks great. He looks great, but there will be 152 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: an additional probably four months of time. So now we're 153 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: into ten months, which puts us into what October to 154 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: where it's sitting here in the cold of December and 155 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: trying to forecast this, I would say, ten months from 156 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: now you would have a very normal looking quarterback with 157 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: both legs available. 158 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: So would he be able to go the full rigor 159 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: of workout, say in August, in September you're saying, Ralph, 160 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: and then October is when he looks good or October 161 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: is when he can then finally begin to ramp that up. 162 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, in generalities, and now Jake, in generalities, I would 163 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: see that as he would be a be able to jog, 164 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: be able to be in controlled settings, so you know, 165 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: he might mirror a coach or an athletic trainer that 166 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: sort of mirrors his tells him to move left, move right, 167 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: move backwards, forwards, backpedal, so forth, in controlled environment where 168 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: you can ask questions after each movement, how do you feel, 169 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: what's that look like? What's your heart rate at and 170 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: so yeah, he'll have a lot of good controlled activity 171 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: throughout the summer months. 172 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Ralph, Before I let you go, I wanted to ask 173 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: you this. You know, I had somebody that told me 174 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: once they were in the in the Air Force, and 175 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: their job in the Air Force is they were a 176 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: mechanic on the Air Force, you know, in the Air Force, 177 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: and they worked on some of the carriers out in 178 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: the you know, at sea. And he said, man, I'll 179 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: tell you what. 180 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: He goes. 181 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: There was there was always such a cool thing when 182 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: the pilots would take off after we had done a 183 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: routine maintenance on the plane. They would kind of dip 184 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: the wings as they took off, kind of as a 185 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: salute and a tip of the cap to the guys 186 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: that had worked on the planes. 187 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: And he goes. 188 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: It was always such a gratifying feeling and it was 189 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: so cool and it made my work worth it. Do you, 190 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: as a trainer feel that when you see an athlete? 191 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: And I know that as a trainer, you know, you 192 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: get to know individuals, but at the same time, you 193 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: still have a job to do, right, which is just 194 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: to treat to determine what's going on and then to 195 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: advise on how to get a player healthy again. Do 196 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: you get that feeling of a gratifying feeling when you 197 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: see an athlete going out and running back out on 198 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: the field for the first time. 199 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: You captured it very well, Jake, And I'm almost emotional 200 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: as you talk about that, because i can recall so 201 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: many times where you assist an athlete as an athletic 202 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: trainer and you've got them at their most vulnerable time 203 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: when they're you know, initially injured, and you work with 204 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: them through the time going back and they're the ones 205 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: who can fight in you. They cry on your shoulder, 206 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: they cuss at you, there's all of that process. But yeah, 207 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: when they when they get back to their craft at 208 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: full go, there's there's an unbelievable amount of of of 209 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: pride and and so forth. I'll give you a true 210 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: story from this weekend. I was in Green Bay with 211 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: the Packers Chris Carr doctor Chris Carr sports psychologists. He's 212 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: worked with multiple organizations around the world. He's been with 213 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: the Packers the last six years full time, and their 214 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: quarterback Jordan Love, made a comment in the media this 215 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: week that he says, you know, the game goes well 216 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: when I get in the flow, and that comes exactly 217 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: from doctor Chris Carr sitting with him and teaching him 218 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: about mental toolkits and and how to manage the game. 219 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: And so I was with Chris and he shared that 220 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: comment with me and replayed the tape and Chris's eyes 221 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: watered up. I mean, yeah, we get pretty tied up 222 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: in these athletes and what they do. If it's a 223 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: driver getting behind a car, if it's a pit crew member, 224 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: if it's somebody coming back from any kind of injury 225 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: or mental health situation. It's very very gratifying that that's 226 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: what fires the engine each day. 227 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Ralph Ralph excuse me, reef dot com r e i 228 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: F F Ralph reef dot com Executive Performance Solutions, and 229 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: you can read all about his incredible journey as a 230 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: trainer in the different work that he has done and 231 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: continues to do, which includes the biggest task of all, 232 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: and that is occasionally saying that I'm intelligent on this 233 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: radio program, which is very much appreciated, even if only 234 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: for a fleeting moment, and even if it's only over 235 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: the agreement of the fabulous food at MCL. Ralph appreciate 236 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: the time as always and certainly look forward to talking 237 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: to you again. 238 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: Okay, have a great day, Jake. 239 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 240 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Ralph rape joining me on the program on the Java House, 241 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Guest line. Last night at the Fieldhouse, 242 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, you better hope you Colts fans, you better 243 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: hope that Russell Westbrook leaves behind whatever it was that 244 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: he put in his water for Philip Rivers, because last 245 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: night it was vintage Russell Westbrook. 246 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: You had a triple double. But the Pacers did get 247 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: the win. 248 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: And they're starting to get contribution from guys that you 249 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: didn't even know who they were three months ago. Joining 250 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: us now on the Java House, Peel and Poor Guest 251 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: Line from field House Files Scott Agnes to talk about 252 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: the Pacers. Scott, I don't know if you heard, and 253 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: maybe I've already introduced it to you once or thrice, 254 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: but have you heard the new quaryism that I came 255 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: up with empty calories? 256 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: Guys? Have you heard this one yet? 257 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: I don't think I have yet. 258 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So as you know, and these I did not trademark, 259 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: because I've got enough trademark battles going on right now 260 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: with my legal te I love it, good for you, 261 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: But twenty twenty five guy, you know that we gone 262 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: over that a lot. That is a guy that is 263 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: destined to score twenty a game on a twenty five 264 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: win team for the majority of his career. 265 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: Okay. Another term that I have come up with is 266 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: now an empty. 267 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: Calories guy, and that is a guy that if you 268 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: think about the post brawl Pacers, some of the players 269 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: that they acquired through different means that came in and 270 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: you thought to yourself like, oh, you know, this is 271 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: somebody they might be able to get some good minutes 272 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: out of, or some future with ikedagu comes to mind. Okay, 273 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: then you realize that they're just empty calories. It's like 274 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: when you're hungry and you go and you grab a 275 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: bag of chips. You're not getting anything nutritional out of 276 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: that that's going to help you long run. You just 277 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: needed something in the short spurt to fill you up. 278 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: The Pacers right now have some guys on their roster 279 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: that could be empty calorie guys. You think to yourself like, 280 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: oh wow, but then we are going to retroactively look 281 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: back and realize they were just guys that were there 282 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: because they needed someone to log minutes and play out 283 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: the roster. Does this team right now have any of 284 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: those true guys or is Rick Carlisle starting to turn 285 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: them into form a little bit into a team that 286 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: suddenly is somewhat competitive and has a pulse. 287 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 288 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 4: I think mainly, Jake. 289 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 5: What they have done is make do with role players, 290 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 5: and they're asking role players to take on much larger 291 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 5: roles like I don't think Ethan Thompson, for example, is 292 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 5: one of your empty calorie guys. He's a guy that 293 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 5: hadn't got that opportunity but now has and in a 294 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 5: week has gone from two way contract to has never 295 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: played before to not just in the starting lineup last night, 296 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 5: but finish the game, which is obviously way more important 297 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 5: and was impactful in those minutes. Same thing with Garrison Matthews. 298 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 5: He knows his role. It's to knock down shots and 299 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 5: provide depth at that guard position. And I thought last 300 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 5: night was the epitome of what this team needs in 301 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 5: the short term until they get more guys back, And 302 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 5: that's from Siaka, Matherin and Nimhard to play big minutes 303 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 5: and then everybody else fills the spot and helps along 304 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: the way. Last night was a game against a good 305 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 5: team that that big run in the third quarter would 306 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 5: have cost you, but they were able to make it 307 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 5: up against a bad team in that fourth quarter and 308 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 5: finished strong. 309 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to touch on two guys, and for 310 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: those that are not familiar with or have not watched 311 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: the Pacers a lot lately, Ethan Thompson's a young guy. 312 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: I think. I think Oregon State, am I right in that? Yes, 313 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: I thought last night he got to start and late 314 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: in the game. 315 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: There were three plays Scott in the fourth quarter of 316 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: that game inside of five minutes, left three almost three 317 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: consecutive trips where he either worked his way in for 318 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: a defensive rebound or kept loose balls alive, just strictly 319 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: with hustle plays. And I mean it jumped out a 320 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: little bit, and it kept them on a couple of possessions. 321 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: It kept Indiana Sacramento looked like they were gonna be 322 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: able to get a put back, and then boom. Ethan 323 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: Thompson comes in kind of out of nowhere and is 324 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: able to stay kind of a king's moment, if you will. Now, 325 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: is that simply a young guy that is doing what 326 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: he can to stay on the floor, or is that 327 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: part of his game that is exactly the reason that 328 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: he's there. 329 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 4: I would say it's a little bit of both. 330 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 5: The main reason they brought him in is because he's 331 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 5: a guard who can shoot it. But I think he's 332 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 5: a perfect example. And this is what you got to 333 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 5: stress to so many of these college kids and guys 334 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 5: that were always the star right middle school, high school, 335 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 5: maybe once they get into college. In the pros, it's 336 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: the one percent, and so be TJ. 337 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: McConnell. Star in whatever you can. 338 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 5: And so while we know Ethan Thompson and Garrison Matthews 339 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 5: can knock down threes, that's why they were brought in. 340 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 5: In large part, Thompson's been on quite a scoring run 341 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: in the G League and was with them in Summer 342 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 5: League a couple of years ago. See he's been on 343 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 5: the Pacers radar for quite a while. But more than that, 344 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 5: I just applaud Thompson Jake for all right, this is 345 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 5: a time offensively where you're looking for the big with 346 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 5: math and Siakam and Nemhart, So go go find a 347 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 5: way to be useful. And this team had one offensive 348 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 5: rebound in the first half. They had seven in the 349 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 5: fourth quarter and he had three of them, and I 350 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 5: think that's the way you continue to earn this two 351 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 5: way contract. 352 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: You know, Matthews is a guy that when I watch. 353 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: And I'm simply going off tea leaves here, right, I'm 354 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: watching just kind of reading what is being said or 355 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: listening when Carlisle. 356 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: Is on with you know, our guys on the fan. 357 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: Morning show, listening to what is said and then watching rotation. 358 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: It seems to me, even though he did not shoot 359 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: the ball well initially when coming to Indiana, that Rick 360 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: Carlile really likes Garrison Matthews and likes having him in rotation. 361 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Yeah, that's what it seems as well. 362 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 5: That's been the impression I've gotten as well, because after 363 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 5: that first stint it was not impressive. I think he 364 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 5: was like three for seventeen with nine points, and then 365 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 5: they signed I didn't think they'd probably signed him to 366 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 5: a second ten day contract. 367 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 4: They did, and he's rewarded them. 368 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 5: I think he had like ten first half points in 369 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 5: his first game on that second ten day contract. And 370 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 5: by the way, I should clarify here for the audience, 371 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: so we'll have a decision to make on him because 372 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 5: players can only sign up to two ten day contracts 373 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 5: per team per season, and so he's obviously on the 374 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 5: second one. There they are getting some positive injury updates 375 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 5: in the short term and long term, but right now, yeah, 376 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 5: I've gotten that impressed. And I think the other thing 377 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 5: is we got to take into account is Garrison was 378 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 5: just thrown into this right no training camp, like maybe 379 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 5: one practice, and for how much this Pacers team wants 380 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 5: to play, and so much of them can rely on 381 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 5: the familiarity and continuity, but not the couple of players 382 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 5: that they continue to bring in. And so I think 383 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 5: he really took about those ten days to settle in 384 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 5: and now has a much better understanding of what is 385 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 5: to be being demanded of him. 386 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 3: Is Jahubb settling in? 387 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 5: I think so. I think we've seen that over the 388 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 5: last couple of weeks. I still believe he's a quit backup. 389 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: I have not seen starter potential, a guy that you 390 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 5: want to play thirty five minutes per game. 391 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 4: But I think, like we talked about last week, if. 392 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 5: He can be that eighteen minutes per game guy, give 393 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 5: you eight points, five rebounds, three blocks, I think that's 394 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 5: exactly why they went out and got him, but that 395 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 5: the center position as a whole remains unsettled to this point. 396 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 5: But that's been the least of their worries given their 397 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 5: injuries elsewhere. 398 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: You know Scott when I look Scott Agnesty is my guest. 399 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: He's on the Java House Peel and poor guest line 400 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: Field House files. 401 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: Of course his work. 402 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: This week is such a weird week because they're you know, 403 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: you're void of NBA games to a large extent over 404 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: the course of the week because of the fact that 405 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: it is now into that point of and you remember 406 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: how kind of surreal it was, and it was really 407 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: the introduction for the Pacers on the national stage in 408 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: getting to the finals of the nd Season Tournament. And 409 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: it felt like at that time, and this is my 410 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: question for you, in that first year of the nd 411 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: Season Tournament, I thought, to my this worked. People are 412 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: talking about this. This feels like a big deal. 413 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: It's cool. 414 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: It's super fun to have these games be relevant. But 415 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: the Pacers were an integral part of it because they 416 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 1: got to the championship of it. Is it now, I 417 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: hate to say it this way? Has it run its course? 418 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: Was there more hype about it in year one? Across 419 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: the board, or did we just feel that way because 420 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: Indiana was involved in it? 421 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: Has it lost any steam? 422 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 5: I think it's been a missed opportunity, Jake. I think 423 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 5: the courts are so bad that it turns people off totally. 424 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 4: And I am one hundred percent in that boat. 425 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 5: If there's a game going on and it's a bright 426 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 5: purple court, honestly, I have no interest in watching. 427 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: It's too distracting. 428 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 5: I think they get rid of the gimmicks, they push 429 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 5: it back back later in the season, then it has 430 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 5: a lot more validity. But right now, when you're playing 431 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 5: about a month ago, like two weeks into the season, 432 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 5: and you're already playing these Cup games with these huge implications, 433 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 5: and more so these players wanting to get that additional 434 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 5: bonus money, I think that's. 435 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 4: Far too soon to do that. 436 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: And also you got to keep in mind you're going 437 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 5: against the prime NFL season when that is I make 438 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 5: this more popular, putting it off when more people are 439 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 5: able to watch it. 440 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 4: But I do agree. I think we were way. 441 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 5: More in tune and locked in on it because of 442 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 5: the Pacers success in year one, plus the first couple 443 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 5: of years there's great intrigue about what is this and 444 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 5: why are they doing this and what is this about? 445 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: Do players care? It turned out they did care about 446 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 5: the bonus money. It's great if your team can reach it. 447 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: If not, I think all the teams are grateful because 448 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 5: now they play about two games in the next ten 449 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 5: days and can utilize this as a mini week to 450 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 5: get back to practice, because already it's sad. Teams have 451 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 5: gotten to the point where they're just not practicing very often, 452 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 5: and I think they all could use some of that time. 453 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 3: Man, I'll tell you what. The courts are terrible, right, awful? 454 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Scott, there are and I don't know 455 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: if that's I think initially that was designed so that 456 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: if like you were walking through a sports bar and 457 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: you looked up, you knew that, like, oh this is different, 458 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like this must be an 459 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: in season target game, And now I watch it, you 460 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: can't even there was one of them, and I can't 461 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: recall which game it was this year. The Pacers weren't 462 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: one of them, and I couldn't even see the rim. 463 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: It was like the way that on television it looked 464 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: like I was watching Atari. 465 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: It was awful. 466 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 5: Here's my other argument why do we make the cup 467 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 5: courts in the cup field way more important than the 468 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: NBA Finals. Jake, you watch the NBA Finals, there's no 469 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 5: marking physically on the court that is the finals. Now, 470 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 5: I think they've come out and since that all right, 471 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 5: you didn't realize. 472 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: I tell you, Kurt Gerald's is stilling in for Eddie. 473 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison today, by the way, is up in Laporte. 474 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: If if you have his number, Scott, wish him good luck. 475 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: I hooked up Eddie with a marketing deal here. He's 476 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: on his way to Laporte as part of the Big 477 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Head Association. He's a finalist to become a head model 478 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: for a hat company that needs to make eight and 479 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: five eighths hats, and Eddie like in the whatever the 480 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: one percent tile of people with heads that big, and 481 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: so he's on his way for the BHA to compete. 482 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: So wish him the best of luck. That's why he's 483 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: out today. But Kurt Gerald's, when Scott just said that, 484 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: you literally just you did like a you jumped up 485 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: and you prayed to the sky in thanks. 486 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 5: Right, Yes, because I missed the NBA Finals courts that 487 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 5: had the big trophy right there in the middle of 488 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: the Scott, aren't they retarding it? 489 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: Yes, that was one of the many things that have changed. 490 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 5: We've also seen some of the national broadcasters lean into 491 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 5: showing the national anthem and team introductions. We see that 492 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 5: in the NFL, we have not seen it in the NBA, 493 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 5: and I think to the point earlier though, by adding 494 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 5: that on the court, it. 495 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 4: Adds some big game feel. 496 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 5: I never liked that they advertised NBA Summer League in 497 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: the WNBA season during the finals, this showcase should be this, 498 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 5: this is their best product, this is what it should 499 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 5: be all about. And so they listened to a lot 500 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 5: of feedback during the finals last year, even showing the 501 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 5: intros and national anthem, and so I just feel like 502 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 5: they've invested more in the Cup than the finals, which 503 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 5: is their quality product. 504 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: Now, Scott, here's the here's the million dollar quest. 505 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you, Scott Agnes, be the judge and 506 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: jury on this personal anecdote. 507 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: Of my life. You're ready, got it. 508 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: I've got to check because and make sure that I'm correct, 509 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: because the season schedule is weird because of the d 510 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: season tournament, like, for example, now the Pacers are next 511 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. 512 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, and that was not. 513 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: If you if you have like a preseason schedule that 514 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: was printed out that doesn't show it fluctuates, see boom, here. 515 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 5: We go, you would only have eighty of eighty two 516 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 5: games that were known in August. 517 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So I'm I was wrong about this. 518 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: I thought the Bucks were at home on Friday night, 519 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: but they might they are not. Now we do our 520 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: Shan and I are doing our annual trip. We spent 521 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: a weekend in Milwaukee every year at Christmas time, just 522 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: to get away, go to dinner's, shop, whatever else. And 523 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: she was asking what sort of new things we can 524 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: do in Milwaukee, And then I was wondering, do you think, 525 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: considering that we are fortunate enough to go to Pacer 526 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: games here and go to all of them, if I 527 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: went out. 528 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 3: Of town, would it be lame? Then if we went 529 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: to a Bucks game. 530 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 5: Only if you love doing it, I don't think it 531 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 5: would be lame. If you like to experience new venues, 532 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 5: new sites, I'm a geek about that type of thing, 533 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 5: but purely for just going there, I think there are 534 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: way other things I'd get involved with before I do that. 535 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 5: But there's an incredible deer district that could lead us 536 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 5: the pregame post game, have a nice dinner there. The 537 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 5: Pfizer Reforms really the center hub. 538 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: For all that, so that they've got a Christmas market, 539 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: one of those deals in the Deer District right out 540 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: front of it. So I think we're doing that. So 541 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: that's as close as we're going to get. But I 542 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: thought they were at home. They're not at home this weekend, 543 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: so it's a moot point. Is the arena nice? The 544 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: Bucks Arena? 545 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: It is? 546 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those. In the fun fact that 547 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 5: you'll appreciate. The first opponent who ever play there was 548 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 5: the Pacers. They were their opening night for that venue. 549 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 5: You feels like twenty seven. 550 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: You know. 551 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: My big fun fact about that arena that I've shared 552 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: on this show many times, including knocking out Joel Erickson 553 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: with this fun fact. 554 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: Do you know what was on the What's that? 555 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 4: I don't know a ton about it, But isn't it 556 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 4: the Dahmer story? 557 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: So Jeffrey Dahmer, the chocolate factory where he worked was 558 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: located on the site that is now five Serve Arena, 559 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: So they not because of Dahmer, but years later, after 560 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: all of that went down, the chocolate factory where he 561 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: worked was torn down. They eventually built the arena and 562 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: the very first event of the arena was a concert 563 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: and it was the Violent Fems and the Killers true story. 564 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: How about them apples? Yeah, find out about the canals booked. 565 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 4: How was your other last big trip? 566 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 3: Great? We went to Vienna and Munich. 567 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: I went to Vienna, Salisbury and Munich, and let me 568 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: tell you, Scott, I've never been one. 569 00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. 570 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: There were a lot of people that were going to Vienna, 571 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: Austria because they're known for those Christmas markets Christmas March, 572 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: whichever way you want to call it. Carvel, of course, 573 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: is now really known for it. We just went to 574 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: the one at the Rascalar, which was awesome this past 575 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Saturday night. If nobody has been down to the Antoneum 576 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: to go down for that. It is also very cool. 577 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: And those things are kind of funny because like you 578 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: go through them and you realize by the time you 579 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: go to one of the little kiosk things, You're like, yeah, 580 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: these are really like the same four things, but there's 581 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty of them. 582 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: But so I kind of wondered why people that wasn't why. 583 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: We went to Vienna, but Vienna is known for them, 584 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: and we were there for the opening weekend of them, 585 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: and there were a lot of people from around Europe 586 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: that were there for that, and I thought that was 587 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: kind of weird. And then we went through the big 588 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 1: one in like the downtown and they have like a 589 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: like a lazy river, except for that it's now ice 590 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: and so it's like an ice skating path that goes 591 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: through the whole thing. 592 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 3: It was magical. 593 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it was like you could have had 594 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: that in the middle of July and you would have 595 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: felt in the Christmas spirit. 596 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: That part of it was very very cool. It was cool. 597 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was such a good idea. 598 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 5: And I feel like going over to do an Octoberfesty 599 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 5: just up there on the bucket list experience there, and 600 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 5: it's earlier. I've learned, it's earlier than you would imagine 601 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 5: out there too. 602 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: Correct. 603 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Octoberfest is actually late September, which is weird. And I'll 604 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: tell you this, Munich, we were only in two days. 605 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: And again I know that we're very fortunate to be 606 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: able to do that, and I'm extremely grateful for that, 607 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: but Munich blew me away. Scott I don't know what 608 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: I was anticipating. I thought I was expecting it to 609 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: be like this, kind of like stuck in the seventies 610 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: type robotic type city. And it was beautiful. Munich was awesome. 611 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Munich was a great city. So we had a great time. 612 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: It was definitely fun. And then came back and you know, 613 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: been able to watch the Pacers kind of up ticket 614 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: a little bit obviously last night with the win against 615 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Sacramento and now up next Philly is tomorrow night. 616 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: Is that correct? Or is it Friday? 617 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: No Friday? They got three days between games. 618 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: Friday in Philly is up next. 619 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: All of it will be covered at Fieldhouse Files with 620 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Scott Agnes who's on the Joba House Peel and Pour 621 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: guest line. 622 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: Scott appreciate it as always, Man, you better, thank you, Jake,