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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: I am not Tony Katz, as you can tell. I'm

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Speaker 3: Andrew Langer in for Tony today. I'll be in for

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Speaker 3: Tony on Friday as well. Lots going on. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I've got a great guest. I don't even tell Landing

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Speaker 3: about this. I got a great guest I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: work on for Friday. You're gonna want to tune in.

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Speaker 3: There's a new documentary out on Netflix on Friday about

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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty US Olympic Hockey team. Now, obviously the

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Speaker 3: seminal documentary was the HBO documentary Do You Believe In Miracles?

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering what this one is going to add to it,

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Speaker 3: And obviously there was the movie Miracles starting starring Kurt

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Speaker 3: Russell as Herb Brooks. But anyway, I'm gonna try to

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Speaker 3: get somebody from the nineteen eighty US Olympic Hockey team

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Speaker 3: for Friday's show to talk about this. I'm very excited.

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Speaker 3: He and I traded messages. I can say he's a he.

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Speaker 3: He and I traded messages. It's they're they're doing a

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Speaker 3: lot of press he and his teammates. So we shall see.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, that's Friday. In the meantime, we got

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Speaker 3: a great show today. I'm going to be joined in

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Speaker 3: a little bit by Horace Cooper. Horace Cooper who is

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Speaker 3: a conservative activist. He is a with a Project twenty one,

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Speaker 3: which is a project of the National Center for Public

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Speaker 3: Policy Research.

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Speaker 4: Horace has got a great a great.

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Speaker 3: Eye for things that are happening in the world, so

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to him. We've got Brandon Arnold

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Speaker 3: from the National Taxpayers Union joining us as well. You know,

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Speaker 3: I saw a meme o meme, could you call it

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Speaker 3: a meme? I saw a headline clickbait came through my

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Speaker 3: email about consumer confidence being the lowest that it's in

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Speaker 3: a decade, and I'm thinking, no, that's not right. I

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Speaker 3: know consumers are uneasy right now, and there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of reasons for it. But we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Brandon Arnold about that. And then in the last

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Speaker 3: hour of the show, we've got Daniel Rundy.

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Speaker 4: Who's a.

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Speaker 3: Public policy foreign policy scholar, is written a book about

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Speaker 4: Thereof we're going to talk to him about what's going

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Speaker 4: on in the world, especially in.

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Speaker 3: Light of where we're going to start today, which is

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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio was testifying up before the Senate. He went

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Speaker 3: up there about Venezuela. Because so I haven't talked about.

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Speaker 4: This in a while. Let me set this up this way.

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Speaker 3: The first Trump term, you know, twenty seventeen to twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's almost like, do you guys remember.

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Speaker 3: That when in the nineteen eighties, maybe it was even

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Speaker 3: in the late seventies, there were a couple of compilation

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Speaker 3: albums that came out. There was the Red Album, which

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Speaker 3: was Beatles' Music sixty two to sixty six, and then

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Speaker 3: the Red Album sixty seven to seventy. No, I got

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Speaker 3: that backwards. Red album is sixty two to sixty six.

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Speaker 3: Blue album is a sixty seven to seventy is essentially

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Speaker 3: the way we look at it with the Trump terms.

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Speaker 3: The first first, the first term was the red term,

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Speaker 3: the second is the blue term, and the red term

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Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. The first term could be most categorized

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Speaker 3: by being reactive. In reactionary, I mean they tried to

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Speaker 3: they had They were dealing with what I called the

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Speaker 3: wheel of Trump. The Democrats, the never trumpers, would spin

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Speaker 3: the wheel of Trump and whatever came up on top.

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Speaker 3: That was the theme of the week. Trump is a racist,

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Speaker 3: Trump is a fascist, Trump is incompetent. We need to

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Speaker 3: invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. And yet there is some

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Speaker 4: That's what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: They are spinning the wheel. So obviously this week we're

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about that today.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, it was the snatching of

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Speaker 5: Me just say this, what is our goal going in?

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Speaker 6: We had in our hemisphere regime operated by an indicted

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Speaker 6: In the case of China, China was receiving oil at

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Speaker 6: And this is the oil of the people of Venezuela,

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Speaker 6: and it was being given to the Chinese as barter

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Speaker 5: Per baro in some cases.

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Speaker 6: And so you had basically three of our primary opponents

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Speaker 5: From that spot.

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Speaker 6: It was also a place where he had a narco

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Speaker 5: It was an enormous.

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Speaker 6: Strategic risk for the United States, not halfway around the world,

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Speaker 6: not in another continent, but in the hemisphere in which

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Speaker 6: but also on Columbia and on the Caribbean basin.

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Speaker 4: All Right, you get the picture here.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, he's describing a post opaca what is

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Speaker 3: essentially a post apocalyptic healscape. Not that it was a

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Speaker 3: post apocalyptic healscape, but you know, all kinds of bad

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Speaker 3: we're gonna We're gonna wind our way through today talking

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Speaker 3: Hegelian dialectic, right, and and how problems get created and

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Speaker 3: exacerbated in order for folks to consolidate power. You know,

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Speaker 3: you think about the last administration. Now you all know

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Speaker 3: that my day job, I spend time dealing with the

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Speaker 3: issue of regulations in the regulatory state and the executive branch.

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Speaker 4: Also do health care policy.

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Speaker 3: But I do have a background in international relations. That's

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Speaker 3: what my undergraduate degree is in. But the point is,

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Speaker 3: They said, Kamala Harris, we're putting you in charge of

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Speaker 3: the policy here. Now that's a fact, right, depending on

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Speaker 3: one of the things that the Biden administration, as voiced

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Speaker 3: by Kamala Harris, one of their strategies for dealing with

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Speaker 3: illegal migration of the United States was that they were

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Speaker 3: going to focus on the root cause. Now I have

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Speaker 3: no problem with dealing with root causes. I think, in

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Speaker 3: public policy problems because if you don't deal with the

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Speaker 3: In point of Obamacare and health care in America, the

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Speaker 3: root cause, the root driver of our health care problems

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Speaker 3: it comes down to supply, whether it's the supply of

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Speaker 4: All of those things.

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Speaker 3: And the more you obfuscate in between the patient and

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Speaker 4: Solve the problem.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, you listen to what Mark or Rubio was saying.

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Speaker 3: I think a number of Venezuelans who migrated to the

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Speaker 3: and one of the problems was that, despite their protestations

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Speaker 3: root causes, and they let the situation in Venezuela fester.

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Speaker 4: Just in the same way that they let the.

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Speaker 3: General issue of illegal migration to the United States fester.

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Speaker 2: And in a moment, after.

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Speaker 3: We hear our spots, we're going to talk about what's

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Speaker 3: happening right now, what's happening in Minnesota and the reactions

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Speaker 3: I still haven't set up the Andrew Langer radio thing,

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Speaker 4: I am Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: Everybody. I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back on Friday. I know Landon is very

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Speaker 4: About, and it's going to be the main theme.

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Speaker 3: That being said, we we are seeing some some some

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Speaker 5: First, all in the meeting of Tom Ohoman, how did

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Speaker 3: Because you know something, governor, the truth will out and

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Speaker 4: Now you guys lit this fuse and you can't walk away.

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Speaker 3: And and right, especially when it was your wife governor

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Speaker 4: No, you guys lit the fuse. These guys are just

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Speaker 4: Landa.

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Speaker 9: Well, you're only seeing and you're only hearing about out

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Speaker 9: It's like net positive if you look at it that way.

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Speaker 10: This is a small bunch of wanna be Nazis, that's

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Speaker 3: And you know it is it isn't a one off

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Speaker 4: I will take your driver's license.

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Speaker 3: be joined by Horace Cooper, law professor Horace Cooper, conservative

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Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer, and this is Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz Today. Very excited to land and let me

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Speaker 4: Horace.

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Speaker 3: I was I was channeling you yesterday. I was doing

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Speaker 8: Our system is a federalist system that allows for states

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Speaker 8: Well, it is. But this is reminiscent of what we

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Speaker 3: let you get away and not pull you over, which

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Speaker 3: is again an insane way of doing things.

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Speaker 4: We're talking with Horace Cooper.

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Speaker 3: He is a Senior Fellow with the National Center for

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Speaker 3: Public Policy Research and chairman of the Project twenty one

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Speaker 3: National Advisory Board and a legal commentator.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about how this is.

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Speaker 3: All playing out politically. Horse, You know, you spend a

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Speaker 3: lot of time up on the hill, you spend a

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Speaker 3: lot of time in conservative politics. How is how is

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Speaker 3: this really playing for everyday Americans? You know, I know

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Speaker 3: the goal is to chip away at the support for

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Speaker 3: President Trump. What are you seeing?

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Speaker 8: Well, a couple of things. I want to use the

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Speaker 8: figregation analogy again. Any on the left say that America

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Speaker 8: had to be forced, kicking and screaming to adopt the

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Speaker 8: equality principle, Well, the facts are just the opposite. The

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Speaker 8: overwhelming majority of Americans accepted this, and there were some

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Speaker 8: who thought, for their political advantage, they would violate this

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Speaker 8: constitutional principle. Over time, what we see is that the

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Speaker 8: Supreme Court's determination ended up being an enduring and popular

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Speaker 8: view among the American people that has maintained for most

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Speaker 8: of the next fifty plus years. Now, there is a

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Speaker 8: sustained effort we won't talk about today, but there's been

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Speaker 8: a sustained effort to try to undermine this principle by

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Speaker 8: the left. But when you ask the American people, they

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Speaker 8: will tell you they agree and accept the equality principle.

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Speaker 8: Initial polling on this ice, enforcement continues to show more

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Speaker 8: than sixty percent of Americans believe that enforcement of the

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Speaker 8: federal immigration policies should continue and are things that are needed.

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Speaker 8: We are at this point where members of the media

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Speaker 8: did something today are in twenty twenty six that they

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Speaker 8: did not do in nineteen fifty six. They didn't promote

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Speaker 8: those who were undermining the equality principle. Then they are

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Speaker 8: actively attempting to do so now. I believe that the

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Speaker 8: American people, as the administration continues to explain the purpose,

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Speaker 8: and even local news which is covering not just Minnesota,

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Speaker 8: but it's covering these incidents that people who are in

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Speaker 8: the country unlawful are doing, are only bolstering that case.

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Speaker 3: There we go, Horace. How do folks find out more

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Speaker 3: about the good work that you are doing.

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Speaker 8: Check us out at www dot Nationalcenter dot org or

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Speaker 8: you can follow me on x at the Horace Cooper.

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Speaker 3: That the Horce Cooper. Can't wait for the next book,

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Speaker 3: Doctor hors Cooper, thank you so.

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Speaker 4: Very much for joining us today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: more to get to on the show.

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Speaker 3: We're going to continue to talk about these immigration issues.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk economics in the next hour. We

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Speaker 3: got Brandon Arnold joining us, and then back to foreign

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Speaker 3: policy with Daniel Rundy. In the last hour of the show,

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Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: We are back everybody. I am Andrew Langer in for

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Speaker 4: Tony Katz today, So glad I can join you and

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Speaker 4: you can join me on this Tuesday. No, it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday days are flowing together, you know, and it gets

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Speaker 3: worse when we have these storms. I know Tony's thing

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Speaker 3: got to get postponed till the end of February, and

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Speaker 3: I would again try to come out, but unfortunately that

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Speaker 3: last weekend in February, I am otherwise booked.

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Speaker 4: By the way, later.

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Speaker 3: On in the show, I also meant to mention this.

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Speaker 3: I'll bring this up at the top of the next hour.

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Speaker 3: At the top of the following hour as well, there's

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Speaker 3: a rather melancholy anniversary today as well. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk a little bit about about that, So stay tuned

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Speaker 3: to the last hour of the show. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: I want to and off of what Horace was talking about,

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Speaker 3: and what the Democrats are doing and the goals here

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Speaker 3: that are in mind, and what's happening on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, he was on the news

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Speaker 3: this morning. We got somewhere Ron Johnson as well, but

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Speaker 3: here he is talking about the escalation plan in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: Let's play out number two.

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Speaker 11: ICE and custom and Border Patrol. They are conducting operations

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Speaker 11: throughout the country to really fulfill the mandate of the

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Speaker 11: duly elected president. I mean, America voted because for President Trump,

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Speaker 11: because we didn't want open borders. We wanted criminals in

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Speaker 11: particular deported. And where you have states and cities cooperating

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Speaker 11: with ICE, you don't have this violence. You don't have

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Speaker 11: these tragic deaths of protesters who have been incited toward

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Speaker 11: now we obstructural justins also violence toward ICE. So where

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Speaker 11: you have local states that are cooperating, you don't have

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Speaker 11: this violence. You have this problem where you have sanctuary

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Speaker 11: c who have welcomed illegal immigrants and criminals into their

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Speaker 11: cities and then they shield them, they protect them.

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Speaker 4: It is crazy.

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Speaker 11: I mean, what President Trump laid out in terms of

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Speaker 11: you know, his requirements for de escalation, I think the

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Speaker 11: vast majority of Americans agree with. So it's just, you know,

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Speaker 11: this is ginned up by the radical left. They've now

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Speaker 11: got a couple of martyrs. I think this is the

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Speaker 11: predictable results of incentive of inciting people towards violence and

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Speaker 11: instruction of justice. It's just tragic. But this is again,

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Speaker 11: this is all because of the Democrats open border policy

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Speaker 11: allowing millions of flood in this country.

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Speaker 3: Cletingly commiliates we can end it there, and you know

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Speaker 3: the left and the leftists are going.

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Speaker 4: But but Senator Johnson, how dare you?

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Speaker 3: We need to stand up, We need to resist when

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Speaker 3: the federal government does these things, when they do bad things.

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Speaker 3: The only reason why there's no violence in these other

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Speaker 3: cities is because the mayors and the governors and the

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Speaker 3: elected officials there, they're just laying down. They're just laying down.

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Speaker 3: And we can't do that in the face of tyranny.

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Speaker 3: We have to stand up, right, and this is what

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Speaker 3: you get at the end of the day. Now, Listen,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if if the male nurse who was shot,

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Speaker 3: whether that was a good a good shooting or not,

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Speaker 3: you know, and I want to I want to find

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Speaker 3: that out.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do know that at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: if you take a gun to a protest and tensions

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Speaker 3: are high, and you have other officials talking about targeting

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Speaker 3: agents and wanting to target agents, you know, talking about

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Speaker 3: hunting down ICE agents. Yeah, things are going to be

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Speaker 3: a little tense. It's a phrase I've used on these

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Speaker 3: air rays before. If you didn't want to go to Chicago,

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Speaker 3: you shouldn't have gotten on that train. We are in

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Speaker 3: the era of f around and find out, And I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying that justifies every instance of pushback. You know,

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Speaker 3: you block an ICE convoy and your spouse is out

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Speaker 3: of the car, antagonizing ICE officials and then jumps in

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Speaker 3: the car when it looks like she's going to get

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Speaker 3: arrested and tells you to gun it at an agent.

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Speaker 3: Gun it hit the gas, and your car is pointed

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Speaker 3: at an agent and that agent has less than a

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Speaker 3: split second to react.

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Speaker 4: Someone is going to get hurt.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, but it's the person who is carrying

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Speaker 3: out the lawful engagement of their duties who is in

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Speaker 3: the right, by and large, again, not trying to equivocate here.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, you know, with this

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Speaker 3: second shooting, I do know that if this person had

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Speaker 3: been protesting in a legitimate fashion right and hadn't shown up.

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Speaker 3: Right when I heard about this shooting, I thought it

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Speaker 3: was going to be the Doe boy with the the

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Speaker 3: AR fifteen, right that. Yeah, thank you. No no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no to the Sorry Landa, I'm not talking about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about Yle Rittenhouse. I'm talking about the

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Speaker 3: guy who was in Minneapolis on his on his lawn

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Speaker 3: with the AR fifteen, saying that he was there to

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Speaker 3: defend his neighborhood. You know you Yes, When I was

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Speaker 3: talking to John Justice last week here, I think we

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Speaker 3: were trying to figure out the name for the airborne

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Speaker 3: unit that was coming in, and I said that, you know, certainly,

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Speaker 3: with guys like this, he should be called they should

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Speaker 3: be called the dough boys, the so called resistors. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's going to happen. You know that, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is the nature of this. It's like this idea of

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Speaker 3: folks showing up to protest and who are blocking law

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Speaker 3: enforcement in the legitimate carrying out of their duties there

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Speaker 3: and folks who are decrying them getting arrested. That's the

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Speaker 3: risk you take.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you.

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Speaker 3: Block a highway, if you glue yourself to a highway,

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Speaker 3: you're going to get arrested.

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Speaker 4: For it.

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Speaker 3: It's not the government's fault. It's not law enforcement's fault

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Speaker 3: for arresting you. We shouldn't be bemoaning people who are

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Speaker 3: getting arrested for this, the folks who invaded the church

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Speaker 3: a week ago Sunday.

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Speaker 4: So listen, we're gonna shift gears a little bit.

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Speaker 3: There's big announcements in Washington today on the economics front.

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Speaker 3: We've got the Trump the Trump accounts are being announced today.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be joined by Brandon Arnold from the

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Speaker 3: National tax Payers and you're going to talk about a

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Speaker 3: bunch of things that are economics related. I want to

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Speaker 3: talk to him about credit card, the land and remind

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Speaker 3: me of that. Andrewer, this is Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 1: Live from the Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey everybody, Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz Today

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Speaker 3: on Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 4: So glad I can join you and you can join

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Speaker 3: Use you said, if you follow me on Twitter, you'll

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Speaker 3: find out everything that I am up to. So one

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Speaker 3: of the things I didn't play, and I'm probably not

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Speaker 3: going to play it is Ron Johnson sort of response to.

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Speaker 4: What's going on.

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Speaker 3: You know that this so called attack on elan Omar

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Speaker 3: last night it was rocketing around some guy.

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Speaker 4: Log I don't know if you.

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Speaker 3: Spit on her, through water on her or what have

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Speaker 3: you took a big swig of water and then and

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Speaker 3: then some kind of liquid was on her. It's very

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Speaker 3: clear that the guy who was who did this is

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Speaker 3: a is a as a as an elin Omar fan,

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Speaker 3: or at least a squad fan. There's plenty of plenty

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Speaker 3: of pictures that are out there, uh.

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Speaker 4: Saying this.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so so you know, we all see how these things,

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Speaker 3: how these things happen. Folks want to get themselves in

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Speaker 3: the media. This is all part of the chaos strategy

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Speaker 3: that's out there. But I'd be remiss if I didn't

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Speaker 3: talk a little bit more about this Cloward Piven strategy issue.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's go here. I referenced this earlier and a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago I talked about Hegelian dialector. Hegel,

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Speaker 3: who was a German philosopher precursor to Marx and Engels,

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Speaker 3: talked about sort of exacerbating crises. Then Cloward and Piven,

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Speaker 3: for the modern era. Here is Charlie Kirk talking about

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Speaker 3: the Cloward strategy.

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Speaker 4: Let's play cut number ten.

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Speaker 12: We're being pummeled right now by this regime every single day.

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Speaker 12: They are trying to destabilize the country. There is a

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Speaker 12: theory called the Cloward Piven political strategy or political theory

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Speaker 12: that was introduced by political theorists back in the nineteen

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Speaker 12: we are going to get Marxist politics, it's by three things.

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Speaker 12: Building a permanent deep state bureaucracy in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 12: Barring so much money that will never be able to

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Speaker 12: pay back and bankrupting the country, and having mass migration

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Speaker 12: of people from all of the world and flooding.

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Speaker 4: The system immigration.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what those three things would ever.

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Speaker 12: Look like if they came into practice. You can look

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Speaker 12: it up Cloward Piven strategy. What you are living through

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Speaker 12: right now is not a mistake. It's not that Joe

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Speaker 12: Biden and the current White House they're stupid. They know

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Speaker 12: what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing. It's

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Speaker 12: a strategy, it's a plan. They're trying to overload the

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Speaker 12: build whatever comes next, and if we have anything to

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Speaker 12: say about it, we're going to say no and keep

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Speaker 12: on building something that's bold and beautiful and hopefully rooted

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Speaker 12: and traditional, unconservative American values and principles.

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Speaker 3: And rooted in some kind of objective truth. That's the

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Speaker 3: thing that gets me right, is this idea of you know,

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Speaker 3: we no longer have this objective truth. I pre recorded

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Speaker 3: an interview with somebody for another show and talked about

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Speaker 3: one of these situations that we have in Maryland. I

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Speaker 3: don't live in Maryland anymore. I did for a long time,

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Speaker 3: but you know, as the Democrats are trying to consolidate.

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Speaker 4: Power, they are and yes I get this.

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Speaker 3: There are other states that are engaging in jerrymandering, but

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Speaker 3: they're engaging in jerrymandering. Conservatives, I mean, are engaging in

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Speaker 3: jerrymandering because the states' maps don't actually reflect the political population.

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Speaker 3: But in states like Maryland and Virginia, right where you

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Speaker 3: have in Virginia it's nearly fifty to fifty in terms

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Speaker 3: of sort of political leanings. The Democrats who are now

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Speaker 3: in power in Virginia don't like that. In Maryland, it's

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Speaker 3: a little different. Right in Maryland. It is essentially sixty

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Speaker 3: forty maybe sixty thirty, yeah, two to one, sixty thirty

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Speaker 3: registrations Democrats versus or conservatives versus liberals, so sixty percent.

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Speaker 4: Would be the liberals.

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Speaker 3: And yet what they're trying to do right now, of

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Speaker 3: the what is it eight congressional districts in Maryland, seven

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Speaker 3: of them are seven of them are Democrats, and obviously

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Speaker 3: the two senators are Democrats. The governor's a Democrat, and

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Speaker 3: so they have been trying to get at the Maryland's

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Speaker 3: first congressional district for years. So what did they do.

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Speaker 3: They proposed a new map this week that would essentially

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Speaker 3: wipe out this conservative bastion in Maryland's eastern Shore and

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Speaker 3: other parts of rural Maryland and break it up and

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Speaker 3: make it so that they would be absorbed into these

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Speaker 3: other left leaning congressional districts. And what do they do,

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Speaker 3: by way of talking about the issue of objective truth?

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Speaker 4: What do they do?

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Speaker 3: Was they eliminated on their map the Chesapeake Bay, which

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Speaker 3: is this huge honkin body of water not in the

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Speaker 3: middle of Maryland, but separating the western shore where Annapolis

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Speaker 3: and Baltimore are from the eastern shore. Right I mean,

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Speaker 3: it is insane, you know, but that's what they're doing

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Speaker 3: sort of on this departure from objective truth. And I

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Speaker 3: teed this up earlier, departing from objective truth, cloward Pivet strategy.

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Speaker 3: Here is Joe Biden in twenty twenty four June of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, right before he was forced to step

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Speaker 3: out of the presidential race, claiming that they had solved

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Speaker 3: the border crisis.

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Speaker 4: Let's clay cut number nine.

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Speaker 13: Today, I'm announcing access to bar migrants who cross our

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Speaker 13: southern border unlawfully from receiving asylum. Migrants will be restricted

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Speaker 13: from receiving asylum at our southern border unless they seek

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Speaker 13: it after entering through an established lawful process. Those who

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Speaker 13: seek comes to the United States legally, for example, by

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Speaker 13: making an appointment and coming to a port of entry,

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Speaker 13: asylum will still be available to them, still available. But

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Speaker 13: if an individual chooses not to use our legal pathways,

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Speaker 13: they choose to come without permission and against the law,

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Speaker 13: they'll be restricted from receiving an asylum and staying in

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Speaker 13: the United States. This actual help us gain control of

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Speaker 13: our border, restore order into the process. As far as

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Speaker 13: I'm concerned, if You're not willing to spend the money

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Speaker 13: to hire more border patrol agents, more asylum officers, more judges,

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Speaker 13: more high tech machinery. You're just not serious about protecting

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Speaker 13: our border. So as simple as that.

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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Speaker 3: You know something, I just I hear that I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be I mean, obviously, I'm always serious on the show,

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Speaker 3: except for one I'm joking. But you know, I hear that,

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Speaker 3: and it just makes me sad, you know, again, setting

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Speaker 3: aside the anger that I feel for how they prop

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Speaker 3: this guy up and how they denied his decline over

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Speaker 3: years declient or they denied that it was happening. You

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Speaker 3: listen to that just weeks before he stepped away, and

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Speaker 3: there was there was clearly something that was just not right.

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Speaker 3: And so I say this, and you know, again getting

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Speaker 3: into what Charlie Kirk had to say about this was

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Speaker 3: by design. It was Joe Biden comes in office. Let's

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Speaker 3: assume for a moment that Joe Biden had was in

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Speaker 3: full control of his mental faculties when he assumed office

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Speaker 3: in January of twenty twenty one. The very first thing

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Speaker 3: that he did, or among the very first things that

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Speaker 3: he did when he assumed office was to get rid

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Speaker 3: of nine plus executive orders that the first Trump administration

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Speaker 3: had put in place to deal with the illegal immigration right,

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Speaker 3: they created the condition and once they had overwhelmed everything,

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Speaker 3: once the disaster had unfolded, then he steps in as

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Speaker 3: he's in the midst of literally the campaign for his

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Speaker 3: political life, and he makes this announcement.

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Speaker 4: Listen, when we come back.

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Speaker 3: I got to tee this up because we got Brandon

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Speaker 3: Arnold from NTU joining us in just a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the announcements today about the

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Speaker 3: Trump accounts. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: So lots going on now.

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Speaker 3: The President was in Iowa, gave a speech in Iowa

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Speaker 3: and they were talking about the economy. They brought up

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Speaker 3: a waitress to talk about no taxes on tips. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot going on this year, Lots of changes to

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Speaker 3: the code and lots of good changes. And one of

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Speaker 3: the good things that we were dealing with was the

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Speaker 3: you know, the extension of the standard deduction, which was

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Speaker 3: hugely historic under President Trump's first term.

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Speaker 4: And I want to I want to start here.

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Speaker 3: We're going to jump down a little bit because we're

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Speaker 3: talking about the Trump accounts in a second, but I

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Speaker 3: want to see this up. Scott Bessent was on the

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Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary. It was on CNBC this morning, and here

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Speaker 3: he is talking about because he's also he's not just

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Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary, as he says, he's also now the IRS

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Speaker 3: Commissioner talking about the taxes and twenty twenty six, let's

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Speaker 3: play cut sixteen.

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Speaker 14: I'm also the IRS Commissioner. So I can see that

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Speaker 14: we're probably going to have between another one hundred hundred

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Speaker 14: and fifty billion of refunds, a lot of that going

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Speaker 14: to working families based on the President's signature policies, no

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Speaker 14: tax and tips, no tax and overtime, no text and

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Speaker 14: solid security, deductibility of auto loans for American made cars.

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Speaker 14: So it's going to be a big refund season. Work

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Speaker 14: Americans will reset their withholding and I tell everyone, do

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Speaker 14: have a look at your withholding, so that will give

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Speaker 14: you a weekly fill up or monthly fill.

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Speaker 5: Up in wages.

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Speaker 14: So I think we are containing costs, but more importantly,

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Speaker 14: we're going to see real wage games for working Americans.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because we've talked about the idea of doing

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Speaker 3: a some kind of a receipt from the government or

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Speaker 3: a thank you note from government around tax time. I

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Speaker 3: could see the Trump administration doing this. I could also

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Speaker 3: see it the Democrats getting very angry. Never Trump is

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Speaker 3: getting very angry. The idea is, you should remind people

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Speaker 3: close to election time as to what their tax liability is.

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Speaker 3: Remind them just how much they're paying. It's funny. Obviously

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Speaker 3: the East Coast got hit with the snow and ice

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Speaker 3: that you guys got hit with as well. In well,

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Speaker 3: lots of folks actually, because it's not just Indianapolis that

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Speaker 3: I'm broadcasting to right now, and a good friend end

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Speaker 3: of mine was talking about the issue of.

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Speaker 4: Being in and around DC and the.

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Speaker 3: Lack of services they get for what they pay in taxes.

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Speaker 3: So the idea is that maybe, just maybe folks ought

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Speaker 3: to be reminded of that close to election time. There

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Speaker 3: are lots of different ways to skin that cat. But

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Speaker 3: so today they're doing a big summit about the economy,

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Speaker 3: they're talking about these Trump accounts.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from Scott Bessant again. Let's play cut number

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Speaker 3: fourteen Landon.

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Speaker 14: We've got business leaders, we've got philanthropists, we've got companies

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Speaker 14: that are going to talk about contributing to the Trump accounts.

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Speaker 14: And today we want to raise the profile. We want

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Speaker 14: all Americans to start signing up. So just this week,

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Speaker 14: since the start a filing season with the IRS, we

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Speaker 14: have had six hundred thousand families out of an estimated

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Speaker 14: twenty five million already fill out form forty five forty seven.

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Speaker 2: So it's so people are signing up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so people are signing up.

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Speaker 3: These are these interest bearing tax deferred accounts that are

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Speaker 3: out there, and the ideas you can, you know, take

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Speaker 3: the one time deal and interest rule accrue over time,

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Speaker 3: or you can add to it over time, and if

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Speaker 3: you contribute the maximum every month, when your child turns

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Speaker 3: twenty eight, they will have over a million dollars in

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Speaker 3: that account. You know, it's funny because I was explaining

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Speaker 3: this to my older child when they were starting their

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Speaker 3: first job out of college and talking about investments and

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Speaker 3: talking about withholdings and talking about you know, interest beare

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Speaker 3: you know, interest in mutual funds and what that meant

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Speaker 3: over time if you put X number of dollars aside

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Speaker 3: every month. What that would mean in you know, fifteen

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Speaker 3: twenty forty years. This is this is important stuff. Caroline

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Speaker 3: Levitt is at this summit as well. He or she

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Speaker 3: is talking about talking about the Trump account. Let's play

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Speaker 3: at number.

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Speaker 15: Thirteen two stats. I want to point out, if I could,

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Speaker 15: I like to bring the receipts when I know the

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Speaker 15: press will be in the room. Eight percent of Americans

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Speaker 15: don't own stock. But with these Trump accounts, now every

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Speaker 15: single newborn child within the years of eligibility will be

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Speaker 15: invested in the stock market. And I think that's a

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Speaker 15: really beautiful thing. And I know Secretary of McMahon at

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Speaker 15: the Department of Education is working really hard to sort

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Speaker 15: of upgrade our curriculum across the country, allowing states to

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Speaker 15: lead first, so that children can learn about the stock market,

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Speaker 15: can learn about our economy, can learn about these basic

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Speaker 15: life skills that they should be taught in our classrooms.

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Speaker 15: This is something our children are going to be learning

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Speaker 15: about for generations to come and benefiting from themselves. And

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Speaker 15: then secondly, this statistic gloo me away so much. I

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Speaker 15: had the factchecker's fact check it again.

877
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Speaker 2: But it's true.

878
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 15: As parents, if we make maximum contributions to our child's

879
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 15: Trump account projected value will be nearly one point one

880
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 15: million dollars by the time they are twenty eight years old.

881
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: That is incredible.

882
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 15: By the time your child is twenty eight years old,

883
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 15: the Trump account could earn them up to one point

884
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 15: one million dollars. I'm twenty eight years old right now.

885
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 15: I wish I had a Trump account back in nineteen

886
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 15: ninety seven.

887
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: So this is amazing.

888
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the beauty of compound interest.

889
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: Then that may be the most important piece of financial

890
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: literacy out there, is the idea of investment. And this

891
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: is just so it's it's so basic, so axiomatic, but

892
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: yet it's one that is missed by everybody. It's so

893
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: funny because we are spending all of this time right

894
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: now now listen, I don't want to I could. I

895
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: could never do math on the air. I'm not going

896
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 3: to go on the air right now and do math

897
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: to sort of project what the value of a dollar

898
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 3: would be, you know, twenty eight years from now versus today.

899
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: But certainly you know, again, even in the most conservative

900
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: sort of interest bearing investment account, it's going to outpace inflation.

901
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: But you know, it's as we sit here and we

902
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: talk about credit card interest rates. This is this is

903
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: the flip side to all of this, and we're going

904
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: to talk about that with Brandon Arnold. What I appreciate

905
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: about these Trump accounts is that essentially it is a

906
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: way of circumventing the dialogue over over Social Security and

907
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: the privatization of Social Security. I mean, essentially what has

908
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: happened here is UH, Team Trump and the Republicans have

909
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: have sidestepped this because the idea being that if you

910
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: simply kept this, UH kept these funds, if you invest

911
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 3: on a monthly basis, you you you hedge on whether

912
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: or not there's going to be social Security down the road.

913
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 4: Right, You don't take it out at.

914
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: Age twenty eight, but you continue down this road the

915
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: ideas maybe these are funds that can be that can

916
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: be retired upon, right. I mean, one of the problems

917
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 3: that we've had over time. And it's funny, I'm watching

918
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the first time around. It's the same

919
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 3: thing with the West Wing. I didn't watch the West

920
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 3: Wing the first time around. And and finally last summer

921
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 3: I decided, you know something, I'm going to invest I'm

922
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 3: going to watch West Wing. I actually also did the

923
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: same thing with with mad Men. I never watched mad

924
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 3: Men the first time around.

925
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: So I'm doing this with House of Cards.

926
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: What I appreciated about the West Wing was it was

927
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: quaint and I mean, obviously it was the Democrats view

928
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: of what they wanted the perfect Democrat president to be.

929
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 3: Obviously that was Martin Sheen's character, someone that would be palatable, obviously,

930
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: no basis in reality.

931
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the producers of.

932
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: A House of Cards essentially create the flip side to that,

933
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: even though Frank Underwood is a is a Democrat. But

934
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 3: it's fascinating because both shows have dealt with issues that

935
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: have remained issues today. You know, House of Cards is

936
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: what ten twelve years old, and obviously West Wing much

937
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: much older than that, but the problems that they were

938
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: talking about still and not solve.

939
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm in the.

940
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: Second season of House of Cards and they're talking about

941
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: social security and social security retirement ages and all of

942
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: those things. Well, the point is, at the end of

943
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: the day, you know, dealing with social security head on

944
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: is the third rail of politics for whatever reason. But

945
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: to me, this circumvents that this side steps it because

946
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: it gets the solution in place before you tackle the problem.

947
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 4: And I think that's a brilliant bit of politics.

948
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Speaker 3: By the way, breaking news Apparently the federal agents involved

949
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: in the killing of Alex Preddi, the male nurse in Minneapolis,

950
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: they have been placed on leave.

951
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 4: That's breaking news. Here listen. In a moment, we're going

952
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: to be joined by Brandon Arnold.

953
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Speaker 3: He is the executive vice president of the National Taxpayers Union.

954
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: We're going to talk to him about Trump accounts. I

955
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: got to talk to him about this plan to try

956
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: to cap credit card debt for our credit card interest

957
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: rates for a year at ten percent. Yeah, I'm not

958
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Speaker 3: a fan. In fact, I've got an obed that I've

959
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: written and getting placed right now on that issue. Want

960
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: to hear from you, Facebook dot com, slash Andrew Lang

961
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Speaker 3: at Andrew underscore Linger on X.

962
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Speaker 4: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today. Welcome back, everybody.

963
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today. Yes,

964
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Speaker 3: I did just say this before we went to the news.

965
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 3: Apparently the federal agents involved in the shooting of the

966
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Speaker 3: male nurse in Minneapolis have been placed on leave pending

967
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: the investigation that's fun. I don't have a problem with it.

968
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: They should be there should be an investigation of this

969
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: to make sure everything is done according to Hoyle. But

970
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: as we've been talking about, there's lots of economics news

971
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: out there. I got questions and hopefully I can get

972
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 3: answers from my friend colleague Brandon Arnold. He's the executive

973
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: vice president of the National Taxpayers Union.

974
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Speaker 4: How you doing, Brandon, what's going on with you?

975
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Speaker 16: Doing great? Andrew? Always a pleasure to talk to you.

976
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Speaker 2: Good listen.

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Speaker 3: So Scott Bessont was on there doing this summit about

978
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 3: the Trump accounts, but he was talking about the tax news.

979
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: There's lots of good tax news this season, isn't there?

980
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 16: Yeah? Absolutely, And tax season has started already. I think

981
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 16: people haven't been paying maybe as much attention as they

982
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 16: would if it weren't for some of the other news

983
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 16: that is taking place, as well as the bad weather

984
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 16: and everything. But tax season started on the twenty sixth,

985
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 16: just a couple.

986
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 8: Of days ago.

987
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 16: People can file their taxes now, and I think when

988
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 16: they do so, a lot of people are going to

989
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 16: be pleasantly surprised because a lot of those tax per

990
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 16: visions that were in the one Big Beautiful bill or

991
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 16: the Working Family tax cut package that passed on July fourth.

992
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 16: A lot of those tax provisions were retroactive to the

993
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 16: beginning of twenty twenty five. So when people file their taxes,

994
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 16: they may not know it, but that child tax credit,

995
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 16: that bigger child task Credit, that bigger standard deduction, that

996
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 16: was all working on their behalf throughout the course of

997
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 16: last year. And they're going to get a bump of

998
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 16: in some cases thousand dollars or even more in those

999
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 16: refund shots, more than they were expecting. And that's great

1000
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 16: news because consumers taxpayers can certainly use that extra cash

1001
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 16: right now.

1002
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 8: You know.

1003
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting because you know, actually, let me let

1004
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: me actually lead into this, because I saw a headline

1005
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: on something that was clickbait talking about consumer confidence being

1006
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: at the lowest level in a decade. And I'm thinking, no,

1007
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: that's that's not accurate. It's not accurate, is it, Brandon?

1008
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, we're given taxes and given regulation

1009
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 3: and giving prices have not gone down down? What does

1010
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: the rampant inflation has certainly been curbed. Consummers are feeling

1011
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: better about things, aren't they?

1012
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 8: Yes?

1013
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 16: And no, I mean, I think there is some validity

1014
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 16: to that data that we've seen there, And you know,

1015
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 16: I think we look at prices and inflation is about

1016
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 16: where it was actually the beginning of Trump's presidency. It's

1017
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 16: fluctuated up, it's fluctuated down, but it's pretty much level.

1018
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 16: We have to think about it, though, not just in

1019
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 16: terms of that price level, but also all the inflation

1020
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 16: that took place, of course during the Biden years, when

1021
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 16: we had approaching double digit inflation. That's all baked into

1022
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 16: the cake. And on top of that, the other part

1023
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 16: of the equation is certainly wages. And what really got

1024
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 16: Biden into hot water was when inflation was increasing at

1025
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 16: a pace greater than what wages were increasing, so people

1026
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 16: were effectively getting poor. We're certainly not to that point now,

1027
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 16: but we've seen a de escalation in wage growth. So

1028
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 16: that weak labor market that people are talking about, I

1029
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 16: think that's rearing its ugly had here and people aren't

1030
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 16: getting wage increases the way that we would like to

1031
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 16: the way that they certainly did during the first Trump administration.

1032
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 16: So until we get wages stabilized along with the price

1033
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 16: stabilization that we've already seen and hopefully continue in a

1034
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 16: positive direction. That's when that economic uncertainty enters into the

1035
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 16: equation as well.

1036
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Speaker 4: Got it, Yeah, No, I get that. Yeah.

1037
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Speaker 3: Our guest is Brandon Arnold. He is the executive vice

1038
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Speaker 3: president for the National Taxpayers Union. So I meant to

1039
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Speaker 3: ask this. We had Horace Cooper on earlier. I didn't

1040
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: get a chance to talk to him about this much,

1041
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: but this has been weighing heavily in the back of

1042
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: my head, and I want to get your thoughts on this.

1043
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, literally two weeks ago today,

1044
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: the President started talking about a temporary cap on credit

1045
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: card interest rates at ten percent. This is deeply, deeply

1046
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: concerning to me, as it would be because it is

1047
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: you know, if Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or AOC

1048
00:59:59,040 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: talked about it.

1049
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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts here?

1050
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 16: Yeah, I do not like this idea at all. You know,

1051
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 16: I think so many of Trump's best achievements have been

1052
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 16: on the deregulatory front. I mean, that's one of the

1053
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 16: reasons why we look at gas prices. Those have come

1054
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 16: down markedly because we've reduced some of the regulations around

1055
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 16: oil extraction and exploration. We're bringing more oil to market

1056
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 16: that's lowering prices. This moves in the opposite direction. This

1057
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 16: is regulating credit cards to a point where you know,

1058
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 16: you're talking about ten percent cap on interest rates right now.

1059
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 16: If you go out to buy a used car, the

1060
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 16: average interest rate is twelve percent, and that's for a

1061
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 16: secured loan, meaning that if you default on your credit

1062
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 16: on your payments, then the bank can take that car back.

1063
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 16: With credit cards, it's unsecured debt, which is why we

1064
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 16: face higher interest rates because the bank can't take back

1065
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 16: your trip from the Disney World last year. I think

1066
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 16: that's gone, So that's why we have higher interest rates there.

1067
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 16: If you start to cap credit card interest rates, all

1068
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 16: that's going to happen is that working class Americans are

1069
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 16: going to take it on the chin. They're going to

1070
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 16: see their credit cards completely disappear. They're not going to

1071
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 16: have access to credit, or they're going to see higher

1072
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 16: annual fees, stricter lending limitations, points and milds disappear. It's

1073
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 16: going to be really really hard, especially time when you

1074
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 16: know a lot of people are struggling. They need to

1075
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 16: have that extra access to credit sometimes to float those

1076
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 16: unexpected events when their h vacunit breaks, or they have

1077
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 16: an unexpected car repair or whatever, they need access to

1078
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 16: that credit more than ever. So I think this would

1079
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 16: be a really really harmful idea.

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Speaker 4: I get see this. This is what it comes down

1081
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 4: to for me, Brandon, is.

1082
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: This issue of again there's the ideological or intellectual or

1083
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 3: philosophical consistency that's that's at work here. You know, it's

1084
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: one of those things where we decried what the what

1085
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: the Biden administration of the Obama administration did on the

1086
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 3: student loans side of things, right, and recognizing that student

1087
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: loans are similar to credit card, you know, credit because

1088
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Speaker 3: they're unsecured loans, as you point out, and so you know,

1089
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Speaker 3: to me, if we're being consistent, we have to be

1090
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Speaker 3: concerned about this.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing with the folks.

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Speaker 3: Who are proposing that we do a tariff rebate for Americans. A.

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Speaker 3: It assumes that the tariffs have driven up prices. But

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Speaker 3: this is a one off to me on the idea

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Speaker 3: of you know, the Democrats when they want to raise

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Speaker 3: the cost of electricity for people by engaging in all

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Speaker 3: kinds of risky schemes, saying, well, well, for poor Americans,

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Speaker 3: we'll give them a rebate on it, We'll give them

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Speaker 3: something on the back end. It's only rich people who

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Speaker 3: are going.

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Speaker 4: To have to do this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, am I right or wrong in this this

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Speaker 3: kind of tinkering. We have to be consistent, don't we.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, I think we're better off just keeping

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Speaker 16: the government out of these kinds of decisions, because you know,

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Speaker 16: once they start to decide, oh this this group gets

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Speaker 16: this amount of money, this group's gets that amount of money,

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Speaker 16: Inevitably they're going to make poor decisions. We see that

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Speaker 16: time and time again. So providing rebates, whether those are

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Speaker 16: ter freebates or in the green energy space where they

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Speaker 16: pick and choose winners. Oh, we want to see solar

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Speaker 16: and win succeed, but we no longer like more stable

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Speaker 16: and reliable forms of energy like natural gas for instance,

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Speaker 16: at nuclear you know, that just ends up hurting consumers

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Speaker 16: at the end of the day, hurting working class Americans

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Speaker 16: more than anyone who can least afford those types of

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Speaker 16: shocks and to often, more often than not be left

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Speaker 16: out in the cold. Because guess what, working class Americans

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Speaker 16: don't really have lobbyists in Washington.

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Speaker 8: The way that right still interest groups do.

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Speaker 16: So when you're not at the table. You're on the menu,

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Speaker 16: and working glass Americans are usually on the menu in

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Speaker 16: these decision making processes.

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Speaker 3: And I know you're not a lobbying organization, but certainly

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Speaker 3: that's what the National Taxpayers Union is all about, isn't

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Speaker 3: a Brandon?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, that is exactly why we're around to provide that voice.

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Speaker 16: But as hard as we work and as great a

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Speaker 16: team as I have, there are a lot of people

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Speaker 16: driving very expensive cars, living in very houses.

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Speaker 14: That are doing quite well by their.

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Speaker 16: Their special interest groups in Washington, and we're doing everything

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Speaker 16: we kind of compete with them, but it's it's always

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Speaker 16: an uphill battle.

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Speaker 8: Of course.

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Speaker 3: Hey, before I let you go, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you're sure. Are you tracking in all this neo temperance

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Speaker 3: movement and the I the idea that the government was

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Speaker 3: going to change the what the safe serving of alcohol

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Speaker 3: was going to be folks. Brandon is very interested in

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Speaker 3: the craft beer issue and regular and regulations that sort

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Speaker 3: of stand in the way of folks who are engaged

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Speaker 3: in the artisanal side or the entrepreneurial side of I'm

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Speaker 3: going to say at the booze industry, And I don't

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Speaker 3: mean that in a bad way, you know, But were

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Speaker 3: you were you tracking this at all? This the possibility

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Speaker 3: that the that the USDA and the HHS were going

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Speaker 3: to come out and say that there was no safe

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Speaker 3: serving of alcohol.

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Speaker 2: I did hear that.

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Speaker 16: I haven't been tracking us closely as I'd like, but

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Speaker 16: you know, I'm always skeptical of the USDA telling us

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Speaker 16: what to eat and drink. I think as adults, we

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Speaker 16: should be able to make adult decision. Obviously, moderation is very,

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Speaker 16: very important when you're talking about a substance like alcohol.

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Speaker 16: But I think most of us, the vast majority of Americans,

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Speaker 16: are responsible enough to make responsible decisions to not drink

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Speaker 16: and drive, not abuse alcohol, and so forth, and the

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Speaker 16: government should mostly stay out of our business and let

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Speaker 16: us be grown.

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Speaker 3: Ups here here. And he knows to Tony who I'm

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Speaker 3: filling in for. He does his Eat, Drink, Smoke podcast

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Speaker 3: and radio show, so I know he agrees with me

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Speaker 3: as well. Brandon, it's been too long since we chatta,

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Speaker 3: we got to do this again soon. How do folks

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Speaker 3: find out more about the work that you're doing and

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Speaker 3: the work.

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Speaker 4: Of end to you?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, National Taxpayers Union NTOU dot org. We're certainly all

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Speaker 16: over social media find us on x, Facebook, you name it,

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Speaker 16: and we would love to hear from your listeners. Love

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Speaker 16: to hear your feedback and everything on the work that

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Speaker 16: we're doing, and it is always a great pleasure. Andrew,

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Speaker 16: I do appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: Take care, Brandon. Listen.

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Speaker 3: That was Brandon Arnold into you. Dot Org is the website.

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Speaker 3: Go and check that out.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we start talking about foreign policy

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Speaker 3: again and something that's Scott best and said today, you know,

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Speaker 3: which gets to the heart of how messed up though

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Speaker 3: I almost used a curse word, they're landed, how messed

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Speaker 3: up the global stages. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony

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Speaker 3: Kats today. Welcome back everybody. I am Andrew Langer in

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Speaker 3: for Tony Katz today, so glad I can.

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Speaker 4: Join you and you can join me. We got to

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Speaker 4: be consistent, guys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's it's it's just it's just that simple.

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Speaker 3: And I know there are some folks who are out

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Speaker 3: there who are saying, well, you know, some of the

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Speaker 3: Democrats have no problems having double standards of being hypocritical

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Speaker 3: and if they are going to go beyond themselves to

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Speaker 3: deal with this stuff, we ought to do it.

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Speaker 4: As well we do it first time. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't go in for that.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, all we can be

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Speaker 3: is true to our principles, and if what we believe

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Speaker 3: principally is right and it's borne out by reality, most importantly,

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Speaker 3: all the more reasons.

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Speaker 4: Stick to it. So I got a real hard time. Listen,

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Speaker 4: I can.

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Speaker 3: I can make the case, and I have made the

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Speaker 3: case as to why a tariffs are sometimes useful and

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Speaker 3: why they may not be the end all be all,

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Speaker 3: why it was not going to cause the economic apocalypse.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I can make that case, and I could do so

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Speaker 3: in a way that's not intellectually or ideologically inconsistent to

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Speaker 3: what we believe. On the other hand, when we are

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Speaker 3: talking about fundamentally tinkering with marketplaces.

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Speaker 4: I got a real problem with that. Yeah, here's a

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Speaker 4: funny thing.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we'll talk about talk about credit cards

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Speaker 3: again in a second, But we know that the pharmaceutical

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Speaker 3: industry is very near and dear to a lot of

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Speaker 3: folks within the direct home station of the Tony Katz.

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Speaker 4: Network right in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's Lily or Novartis or whatever. Lots of folks

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Speaker 3: who are engaged in research and development of pharmaceuticals. And

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Speaker 3: we know what happens if federal policies start to interfere

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Speaker 3: with the intellectual property that underpins the research that is

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Speaker 3: being done to make these scientific medical advancements. We know

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Speaker 3: what happens there. Therefore, we should be guarding against it.

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Speaker 3: If you know, we certainly regarding against it when Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden was trying to go down that road, whether it

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Speaker 3: was direct price controls or whether it was monking around

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Speaker 3: with the intellectual property underpinning I'm not sure we've ever

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Speaker 3: had this conversation here, but take a step back for

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Speaker 3: a second and give you give you a little learning

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Speaker 3: on this. Back in the nineteen eighties early nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: America was losing the innovation battle and Evan By Democratic

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Speaker 3: senator from Indiana and Bob.

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Speaker 4: Dol got together.

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Speaker 3: They both realized that one of the problems was that

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Speaker 3: if or research money was used at any point in

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Speaker 3: the research process, usually as seed capital, then somebody could

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Speaker 3: not patent their discovery and reap the benefits of that patenting.

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Speaker 3: So the two of them got together and they passed

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Speaker 3: the Bi Doole Act, which says that if you take

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Speaker 3: a certain degree of federal funding as seed capital for

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Speaker 3: your research, well you can still patent. And there was

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Speaker 3: an explosion in the figurative sense in terms of innovation

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Speaker 3: in America. And so you know when the Biden administration

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Speaker 3: was trying to undo by Dole in the name of

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Speaker 3: trying to bring down prescription drug prices, by essentially threatening

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Speaker 3: to march in and seize the patents of drugs that

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Speaker 3: they thought the prices were too high on, well, as

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Speaker 3: you can imagine, we put back against this. So when

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Speaker 3: you've got the Trump administration doing the same thing, different

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Speaker 3: but essentially threatening the innovation by going in and setting

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Speaker 3: price controls on prescription drug prices, that has an effect

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Speaker 3: on folks desires to innovate. So we push back against

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Speaker 3: it because we have to be consistent. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth

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Speaker 3: Warren and AOC they want to destroy the private credit

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Speaker 3: market in America. They want the government to take it

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Speaker 3: over for a lot of reasons, not the least of

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Speaker 3: what having to do with power.

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Speaker 4: So they're the folks who are behind this.

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Speaker 3: Idea of detaching interest rates from an assessment of risk. Right,

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Speaker 3: credit card interest rates are amongst the most democratically, and

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Speaker 3: I don't mean that, I mean small d democratized. In

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Speaker 3: investigations out there, they look at your financial background and

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Speaker 3: your experiences, and that determines the interest rate that you're

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Speaker 3: going to pay on what is essentially an unsecured.

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Speaker 4: Loan on like a home loan or an auto loan.

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Speaker 3: Right where there's a tangible property behind it. What happens,

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Speaker 3: as Brandon Arnold points out, is that folks will lose

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Speaker 3: their credit cards, They will lose their access to credit lines.

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Speaker 3: If this goes through, folks will It's not unbanked, uncredited, uncreditable.

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Speaker 3: This is an AOC Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren.

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Speaker 4: Way of doing things.

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Speaker 3: It's bad policy and they make for great politics. It's

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Speaker 3: bad policy. We don't want that and any case. Next

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Speaker 3: how we're going to be joined by Dan Runday, we're

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Speaker 3: going to be talking about foreign policy. I'm Andrew langer

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Speaker 3: in for to Many Cats Today. This is Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 1: Line from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. So I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Today.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back on Friday Special show. Hopefully on Friday,

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Speaker 3: as we may get somebody from the nineteen eighty US

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Speaker 3: Olympic Hockey team, the Miracle on Ice team working on

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Speaker 3: that right now in the meantime special hour. This hour

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Speaker 3: going to be joined in a little bit by Daniel Rundy,

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Speaker 3: who is an international affair scholar, also going to be

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Speaker 3: doing a tribute to the anniversary of the Challenger disaster

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Speaker 3: forty years ago today, which I have a hard time

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Speaker 3: wrap in my head around. I mean, I'll talk a

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Speaker 3: little bit more about that. Just feeling my I'm not

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Speaker 3: feel I don't feel old. This is the issue, is

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Speaker 3: that I don't feel old. I certainly don't feel old

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Speaker 3: enough for the Challenger disaster to have happened forty years

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Speaker 3: ago today.

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Speaker 4: That's that's just that's just nuts to me.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you want to join the conversation Facebook

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Speaker 3: dot com, slash Andrew Langer Show is the way you

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Speaker 3: reach me while I'm on the air, also at me

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Speaker 3: on x at Andrew Underscore Langer Here. That's the way

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Speaker 3: to do it. L A N G E R. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can always catch the work that I'm doing.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 3: You know, at Seapack where I do the I run

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Speaker 3: the center for regulatory freedom for them, also do healthcare

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Speaker 3: policy for them. And I've got this background in international affairs. Now,

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Speaker 3: big SEAPAC conference happening in Dallas at the end of March. Hoping, hoping,

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Speaker 3: hoping that Tony is going to be able to join

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Speaker 3: us all there. I love hanging out with him when

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Speaker 3: he's at the SEAPAC conferences. So every other year my

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Speaker 3: high school, I went to a lefty high school up.

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Speaker 4: In New York.

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Speaker 3: I think I may have mentioned this before. Grew up

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Speaker 3: in New York, went to a very progressive high school.

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Speaker 3: You can go and look it up. The Ethical culture

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Speaker 3: Fieldston School or Fieldstone in the news in recent years because,

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Speaker 3: like a lot of progressive organizations, when the various factions

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Speaker 3: try to out victim each other, chaos ensues. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: one victim group pits themselves against another victim group and

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Speaker 3: tries to figure out where they are on the hierarchy

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Speaker 3: of grievances, and you can imagine they all.

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Speaker 4: Get angry at one another.

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Speaker 3: Well, every other year the school teaches a class called

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Speaker 3: the Rise of the Right, very ominous sounding, and they

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Speaker 3: bring the kids down to Sea pack every other year.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're going to do. This is

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Speaker 3: the off year for them. I don't know what they're

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Speaker 3: going to do now that seapack is being held in Dallas,

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Speaker 3: at least for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 4: Who knows.

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Speaker 3: But you know, a couple of years ago when they

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Speaker 3: were down, So they were down in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: So they were down in twenty twenty three. I think

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Speaker 3: it was twenty twenty three. It all blurs together for me,

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Speaker 3: but it was after obviously the war, you know something,

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Speaker 3: It must have been twenty three. It was a year

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Speaker 3: after the war, and the war in Ukraine had begun.

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Speaker 3: And I always like when I talk to these students,

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Speaker 3: I like to sort of challenge their assumptions. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to say that I'm Charlie Kirk, obviously I'm not

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. But you know, what I'm trying to do

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Speaker 3: is just get at least one of these students to

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Speaker 3: think a little bit more empirically about the world around them,

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Speaker 3: you know, to be a little bit more skeptical of

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Speaker 3: what the prevailing power structure.

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Speaker 4: Might be telling them. And for them, the.

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Speaker 3: Prevailing power structure is this progressive institution around them. And

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Speaker 3: so one of the things I talked about was, you know,

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Speaker 3: what they thought were the biggest threats to the world war.

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Speaker 3: And some of them said climate change, and some of

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Speaker 3: them said Russia, and some of them were sort of unsure,

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Speaker 3: And so I asked him, I said, okay, for those

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Speaker 3: of you who think that Russia is the greatest threat

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Speaker 3: on the world stage, would you be willing to relax

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Speaker 3: US drilling and refinery rules so that we could bottom

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Speaker 3: out the Russian economy? And for those who thought that

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Speaker 3: climate change was the greatest existential threat, they.

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Speaker 4: Said, no, we can't. We can't do that because climate change.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, it's just one of those things where you

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Speaker 3: can't sort of talk about Russia and not talk about

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Speaker 3: the oil issue. And Scott Besant, the the the Secretary

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Speaker 3: of the Treasury, he had this to say today, let's

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Speaker 3: play cut number.

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Speaker 14: I find the Europeans very disappointing because the Europeans are

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Speaker 14: on the front line of the Ukraine Russian War. The

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Speaker 14: Europeans India started buying sanctioned Russian oil, and guess who

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Speaker 14: was buying the refined products the Europeans. So the Europeans

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Speaker 14: have been funding the war against themselves. And something that

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Speaker 14: you couldn't have made up the US sanctioned or put

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Speaker 14: a twenty five percent tariff on India for buying the

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Speaker 14: Russian oil. The Europeans were unwilling to join US, and

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Speaker 14: it turns out because they wanted to do this trade deal.

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Speaker 14: So every time you hear a European talk about the

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Speaker 14: importance of the Ukrainian people, remember that they put trade

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Speaker 14: ahead of the Ukrainian people. Trade, European trade more important

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Speaker 14: than ending the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: They need energy, though, I guess as part of.

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Speaker 14: Their issue at a price. They want cheap energy. Wow,

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Speaker 14: we can have cheaper energy too if we were rolling

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Speaker 14: to buy sanctioned Russian oil.

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Speaker 4: What about camp Oh my god, I mean that is that?

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Speaker 4: That is fair?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: That's on CNBC, by the way, which which you know

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Speaker 3: I've been calling the other one that we used to

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Speaker 3: be MSNBC, I called m snow.

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Speaker 4: But they need cheap energy, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure they can make a deal with us, by

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Speaker 3: the way, that will be one way to do it.

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Speaker 3: But but how about again, to use the phrase, if

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Speaker 3: you didn't want to go to Chicago, you shouldn't have

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01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: gotten off this train. If you stop building and you

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Speaker 3: start tearing down coal fired power plants.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 17: Uh.

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Speaker 3: If you if you start getting rid of your nuclear

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Speaker 3: power plants and you don't build more nuclear power plants

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Speaker 3: and you start making all kinds of climate net zero mandates,

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Speaker 3: you know, then yeah, uh, this is the the you're

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Speaker 3: gonna need. You're gonna need energy to make up for

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01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 3: the energy that you're losing down the road. They made

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01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 3: this mess, and you know something a land that we're

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01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 3: gonna jump down again.

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Speaker 4: That's why what.

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Speaker 3: Marco Rubia had to say this morning in testimony before

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Speaker 3: Congress on Venezuela was so vital.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and play cut number twelve again.

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Speaker 5: Please let me just say this, what is our goal

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01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 5: going in?

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Speaker 6: We had in our hemisphere a regime operated by an

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Speaker 6: indicted narco trafficker that became a base of operation for

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Speaker 6: virtually every competitor, adversary, and enemy in the world. It

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Speaker 6: was for Iran their primary spot of operation in the

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Speaker 6: Western Hemisphere was Venezuela. For Russia, their primary base of

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 6: operation in the Western hemisphere, along Cuba Nicaragua was Venezuela.

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Speaker 6: In the case of China, China was receiving oil at

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01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 6: a huge buck twenty dollars a barrel discount, and what

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01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 6: they weren't even paying money for it. It was being

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Speaker 6: used to pay down debt that they were owed. And

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Speaker 6: this is the oil of the people of Venezuela, and

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01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 6: it was being given to the Chinese as barter at

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01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 6: a twenty percent, at a twenty dollars discount for barro

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Speaker 6: in some case.

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Speaker 3: So let's let's let's let's let's let's set the stage here.

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01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 3: So you've got Russia, right, You've got Russia, whose economy

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 3: we've been trying to stemy. They are being propped up

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Speaker 3: by China. Right, So China is getting cheap oil from Venezuela.

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: China is getting cheap oil from Russia. India is getting

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01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: oil from Venezuela and Russia and then turning it over

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Speaker 3: to Russia to refine. All of these things, they all

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01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: work interchangeably. And so you know, I don't like using

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01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 3: the phrase axis of evil because I think.

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Speaker 4: It can be overused, and it can be.

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 3: It can be maybe been made into a caricature of itself.

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01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: But the reality is you've got all of these bad individuals,

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01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 3: a legion of doom, working together in a variety of ways.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, so you know something.

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Speaker 3: It's real funny, real quick, because I went on that

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Speaker 3: German TV show last week, Meisberger.

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Speaker 4: I went on there on Tuesday. I did the show.

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Speaker 3: Here on Monday, and you know, they were all kinds

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01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 3: of apoplectic about about Greenland and what the president was

1442
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: doing with Greenland and why does he want to do Greenland?

1443
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 3: Is he gonna They're all, He's going to put troops

1444
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 3: on the ground in Greenland, And I'm like, no, he's not.

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01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 3: That's not what he's going to do. Well, what is

1446
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 3: he going to do?

1447
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 4: Well? He wants a close relationship.

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: Why because if you look at a globe as opposed

1449
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 3: to the mercader projection of a map, Greenland has huge

1450
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 3: strategic value in checking Russian power. And guess what when

1451
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,600
Speaker 3: when you check Russian power in that way right, and

1452
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: you make Russia have to look to their north and

1453
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 3: to their northwest.

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01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 4: When you when you check.

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01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 3: Russian power on the South American continent, it takes their

1456
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: eye off the ball in Ukraine. It's essentially a containment strategy.

1457
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 3: That's what's going on here. But the left will never

1458
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 3: want that to happen. Listen, in a moment, I don't

1459
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 3: want to talk a little bit about Josha Pier. He

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01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 3: said something fascinating over the weekend that gets into my

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Speaker 3: wheelhouse on public policy. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony

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01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 3: Katz today. Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer. Land and I are

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01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 3: having a conversation about about hockey. Uh it's it's uh.

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: It's uh Star Wars Night next Thursday at the at

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 3: the Washington Capitals game.

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01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 5: So I'm thinking.

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Speaker 3: About going anyway, Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer in for

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 3: Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be joined in a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Minutes by Daniel Rundy, who is an international relations scholar.

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Speaker 3: He's got a great book on American soft power. We're

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01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 3: going to talk about this issue of what the Chinese

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01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 3: are up to. This is what the Chinese do do,

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01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 3: by the way, you know, as Marco Ruby was talking about,

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 3: they they find their ways to sort of insinuate themselves,

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01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,520
Speaker 3: embed themselves.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 3: One of the things we talk about with their Silk

1479
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: and Roads strategy is that they is that they you know,

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01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 3: they build all of this infrastructure for countries and give

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 3: them what look like on paper favorable terms, but they're

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01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 3: really not. And then they essentially will go in and

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01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 3: repossess or find ways to get what they want extractive wise,

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01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: out of these countries.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's diabolical, to say the least. Interesting enough,

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Speaker 4: speaking about.

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Speaker 3: This, I thought today the us DA has an open

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01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:55,879
Speaker 3: comment period.

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Speaker 4: What do I mean by this? I mean that.

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 3: When agencies make regulatory changes, federal agencies under something called

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01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 3: the Administrative PROCEDURECT, they have to put basically all of

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01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 3: it out for public comment. And this is a lot

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 3: of what I do for SEAPEC. And so today, supposedly

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01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 3: the comments were going to be due on their guidelines

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01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 3: for restricting foreign ownership of agricultural lands.

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Speaker 4: And I go into the portal.

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 3: Today Regulations dot govern I find out that they've delayed

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Speaker 3: the comment period by two weeks, which is great because

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01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get grassroots comments in on this. You

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01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 3: know something, I'll put it up on x at Andrew

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01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 3: Underscore Langer if you want to send comments into this docket.

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01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 3: They are only like six comments in there right now,

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01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: which is kind of crazy.

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01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, so this's a lot of what I do.

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01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, we started to talk about the fact

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01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty eight, the twenty twenty eight presidential election

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 3: is almost upon us. I know it's twenty twenty six,

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01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 3: but yes, Democrats especially are starting to jockey for this.

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01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: We know Gavin Newsom is running, Pete Boudajet is probably running.

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 3: The governor of Maryland, Wes Moore probably running. We hear

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 3: rumors that Ram Emmanuel is running. Josh Shapiro is out there,

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01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: governor of Pennsylvania, styles himself as a moderate, and he

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01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 3: said something really interesting. And you know, one of the

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01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 3: problems that Kamala Harris had was that she could not

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01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 3: distinguish herself from the Biden administration. She said she would

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01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 3: do things differently, she didn't agree with the Biden administration

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01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 3: on everything, but she couldn't actually articulate what she disagreed

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01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:46,839
Speaker 3: with the Biden administration about. So here's Josh Shapiro running,

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01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 3: possibly running for president. I should say, and he says,

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Speaker 3: and let me let me play this. Let's play cut

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Speaker 3: number seventeen.

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Speaker 18: The Biden Harrison administration didn't provide those specific tangible things

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 18: that people could or feel. I'll give you a very specific,

1524
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 18: concrete example. One of the biggest things holding back our

1525
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 18: rural communities is a lack of high speed affordable internet.

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01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: Some people call that broadband.

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01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 18: I've got two hundred and forty six thousand homes and

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01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 18: businesses without it.

1529
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,440
Speaker 2: I was incredibly proud.

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01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 18: Of President Biden when they got that infrastructure Bill passed

1531
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 18: to provide the billions of dollars that were needed to

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01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 18: plug everybody and connect everybody in Pennsylvania.

1533
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: And do you know how many people.

1534
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 18: Scott this many years later have been connected to high

1535
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 18: speed affordable internet thanks to President Biden's law in Pennsylvania.

1536
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 18: Zero because the dollars were never driven out.

1537
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 8: Right.

1538
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 3: It's like the electric car infrastructure.

1539
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I got to find this at some point.

1540
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll find it for Friday.

1541
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 3: There's a I love Bondy Python as a teenager. Some

1542
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 3: of it holds up, some of it doesn't. One of

1543
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 3: the things that holds up is that there is a

1544
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 3: there's a segment in which the BBC is interviewing the

1545
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 3: Housing Minister and the Housing Minister has a mustache and

1546
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 3: is wearing a dress and they and they ask him,

1547
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, in your in your plan for a new

1548
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 3: Great Britain, you promised to build a million billion homes.

1549
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: To date you have built five How do you.

1550
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 3: Explain this, and he says, seriously, I'm going to answer

1551
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 3: this in two ways, first in my own voice and

1552
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 3: second in sort of a strange, funny pitched wine.

1553
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 4: You know this is this is the problem. And we

1554
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 4: knew that, we knew, we knew, we knew.

1555
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 3: That the Inflation Reduction Act was not was not about

1556
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 3: It wasn't about reducing inflation. It wasn't about getting infrastructure

1557
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 3: out there.

1558
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,839
Speaker 4: We knew that they weren't going to build.

1559
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 3: The electric vehicle charging stations that they claim to have want.

1560
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 3: We know that they can't have the electricity in demeeth

1561
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 3: this on the internet state. It is fascinating to me because,

1562
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 3: by the way, it's not the last mile that's the problem. Uh,

1563
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: contrary to what a lot of Democrats believe or or

1564
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: or tout. It's the so called middle mile that tends

1565
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 3: to be the issue. You know, you can you can

1566
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 3: get sort of grants for for getting broadband down to

1567
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 3: someone's house in the same way that we electrified the

1568
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: Tennessee Valley. Blah blah blah. The real interest, the real

1569
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: issue is Sorry, I got to call from our I

1570
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 3: got an email from our guests that distracted me. The

1571
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 3: the the funny issue is there are ways to do

1572
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: this to deliver that internet to the folks who need

1573
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:45,839
Speaker 3: it that don't require massive amounts of digging of cables

1574
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: or the stringing of wires. You don't need to do

1575
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 3: that anymore, you know. And and there is there's a guy.

1576
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard of him. He's kind

1577
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 3: of obscure. He tends to step out of the spotlight.

1578
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 3: His name is Elon Musk. Don't know if you've ever

1579
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 3: heard of him, but he had an electric car company,

1580
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 3: has an electric car company. He does some stuff in space.

1581
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 3: He's got a company called SpaceX. You might not have

1582
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 3: heard of him, Elon Musk.

1583
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 4: Elon Musk has this business.

1584
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 3: Called Starlink, and it provides a satellite based internet service

1585
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: that is very cost effective. By the way, I'm making

1586
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 3: a joke. I know you all know who Elon Musk is. Please,

1587
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 3: so very cost effective Starlink. It can be deployed easily

1588
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 3: and I would probably say ninety nine percent of the

1589
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 3: places that are out there, and again doesn't require a

1590
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 3: lot of digging. And for the same price of digging

1591
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 3: a lot of infrastructure, for folks who want this broadband,

1592
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 3: you could just deliver them the satellite edition. Frankly, pick

1593
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 3: up their subscriptions. If you wanted to do that.

1594
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 4: I don't think you want to do that, but you

1595
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 4: might if you wanted to, You could do it that way.

1596
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 3: But because Elon Musk was such a staunch Trump supporter,

1597
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 3: what did the federal government do? What did the Biden

1598
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 3: administration do? Well, they canceled any kind of a contract

1599
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 3: with Starlink to deliver this kind of service to the

1600
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 3: folks who needed and they instead turned around and went

1601
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 3: to a competitor at four times the cost and with

1602
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 3: less reliability. See, this is the problem. You know, we

1603
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 3: were talking with Brandon Arnold about actually, you know something

1604
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 3: I was going to say this. It's actually somebody I

1605
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 3: was talking to earlier about cronyism.

1606
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1607
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 3: It's when government can pick these winners and losers in

1608
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 3: the marketplace and flex their muscle politically that you get

1609
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 3: all kinds of bad outcomes that are out there. Right,

1610
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 3: it should be that if you've got somebody who provides

1611
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 3: a reliable, less expensive service, you know, more reliable, less

1612
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 3: expensive service to a community that you're trying to serve

1613
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 3: with taxpayer dollars, maybe it should go to that person's business,

1614
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 3: even if you don't like their politics, because again we're

1615
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 3: talking about policy, we're talking about solving a problem.

1616
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 4: We listen.

1617
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 3: We're gonna be joined in a couple of minutes by

1618
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 3: Daniel Rundy. I am Andrew Langer. If you want to

1619
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 3: join the conversation Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer Show,

1620
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 3: you can at me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer.

1621
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz Today on WIBC and also syndicated

1622
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 3: right here on the Tony Kats Today Network.

1623
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:40,879
Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody.

1624
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz Today. I'll

1625
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 3: be back on Friday to chat with all of you.

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01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 2: So glad about that.

1627
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 3: Remember, we've got our special we're working on trying to get.

1628
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to get somebody from the Miracle on Ice

1629
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty US Olympic Hockey team.

1630
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 4: Something I know Daniel remembers.

1631
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 3: Daniel, where you you You're a big fan of us

1632
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,759
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty Olympic Hockey.

1633
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 4: Team market I mean the Miracle on Ice.

1634
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 17: I mean it was an iconic moment in American history.

1635
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 17: It's something we should all be proud of as Americans.

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01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 8: Unbelievable.

1637
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 3: It's it's uh yeah. We've got the forty sixth anniversary

1638
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 3: this year. A new new documentary from Netflix dropping on

1639
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 3: on Friday, also the anniversary today. Daniel of the Challenger disaster,

1640
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 3: I'm going to be talking about that in just a

1641
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 3: couple of minutes.

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01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 4: You don't need to comment on that unless you unless

1643
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 4: you want to nice.

1644
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 17: Sadly, everyone, Sadly, everybody who was alive at that time

1645
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 17: remembers where they were when the Challenger disaster happened.

1646
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 4: Terry, right, were you were you in school?

1647
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 8: Were you raid visiting?

1648
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 17: They took us on a field trip.

1649
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 8: To visit the high school thing.

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01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 17: This is where you're going to go for your ninth grade, and.

1651
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 2: Don't be intimidated.

1652
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 17: And you know when we were on the bus, either

1653
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 17: I think on the on the way there or when

1654
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 17: we were there. It is terrible, the terrible tragedy happened.

1655
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 17: So I remember where I was because of that.

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01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 3: Sadly it it yeah, really, it's it's one of the

1657
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 3: it's one of those one of those moments that everybody

1658
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 3: knows we're talking about.

1659
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 4: Daniel Runley.

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01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 3: Rudley, Daniel Rundy, He's a fellow with the Center for

1661
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 3: Strategic and International Studies CSIS. He's the author of the

1662
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 3: American Imperative, Reclaiming Global Leadership through Soft Power. I had

1663
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 3: the fortune of talking to him for the Lunch Hour

1664
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 3: podcast last week, and that's going to be up in

1665
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks.

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01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 4: Ago and check that out.

1667
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 3: But Daniel so Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, was up

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01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 3: on the hill today talking about Venezuela, and he was

1669
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,799
Speaker 3: talking about this axis between Iran and Russia and China,

1670
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 3: and he was specifically talking about the Chinese getting cheap

1671
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 3: oil from Venezuela.

1672
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 4: Uh, and it's this issue.

1673
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 3: Of Venezuela paying down its debts to China.

1674
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 4: You know what I talked.

1675
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 3: About, this Built and Road initiative that China is on.

1676
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 3: Talk talk about about how that plays in and what

1677
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 3: China is up to and why China is able to

1678
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 3: get oil at below cost from nations like Venezuela.

1679
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 17: Well, since this is a family radio show, I'm going

1680
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 17: to say China no bueno as opposed to something else.

1681
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 5: China no bueno.

1682
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 17: So Chinese Communist Party no bueno. So I would just

1683
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 17: say that a couple of things. One is that As

1684
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 17: they've gotten wealthier and more powerful, they have stuck straws

1685
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 17: into countries all over the world. Venezuela, parts of Africa, Russia, elsewhere.

1686
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 17: They have partnership with Iran. A lot of RAN's oil

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01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 17: goes to China, so they took oil from Venezuela, and

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01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 17: they also the Venezuelas borrowed money from China, and so

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01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 17: they've had a very obdup relationship with the bad guys

1690
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 17: in Venezuela. So they absolutely did get some kind of

1691
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 17: sweetheart deal on the on the oil, but they also

1692
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 17: lent money to the Venezuelan and so one of the

1693
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 17: problems now is we try and rebuild Venezuela is what

1694
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 17: do we do about all the messy debt. They have

1695
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 17: debt with the Chinese, they have debt with others, and

1696
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 17: so rebuilding the country is going to mean first sorting.

1697
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 8: Out who do they owe money to?

1698
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 17: And did they that oil Derek over there?

1699
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 8: Did they use it as.

1700
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 5: Collateral for three different loans?

1701
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 8: Do you know what I mean?

1702
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 17: Like that right, all that kind of crazy cuckoo stuff, right,

1703
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 17: So I think it's there absolutely is a nexus.

1704
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 8: There absolutely is a nexus.

1705
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 17: Of bad guys and alliance of bad guys, you know, Russia, China,

1706
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 17: I Ram, all those countries operate in Venezuela, and uh

1707
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 17: I know that, you know, I think there's uh, there's there.

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01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 17: And then yeah, on the Belton Road they are looking

1709
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 17: to They have a series of reasons why they set

1710
01:35:58,920 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 17: up the Belton Road.

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01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 8: One is that they had a bunch of dollars.

1712
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 17: In their bank account in their in their central bank,

1713
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 17: and they wanted to deploy it, and partially as an

1714
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 17: employment program because they have a temporary overhang of young

1715
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 17: young men that need to be employed and keep state

1716
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 17: old enterprises kind of on sugar high, you know, employment

1717
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 17: overseas building railroads and building ports and whatever overseas. But

1718
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 17: also they don't want to have the US Navy cut

1719
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 17: them off at places like the Malaita Straight, so they've

1720
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 17: been trying to do work big infrastructure workarounds to prevent

1721
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 17: being cut off at the Malacca Straight. They also don't

1722
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 17: want US to have they so they also built a

1723
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 17: big gas connection with Russia, partially as a way to

1724
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 17: avoid being too dependent on you know, the outside sea lanes.

1725
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 5: Et cetera.

1726
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 17: So some it's been in the national security thing or

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01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 17: a strategic thing, but some it's been a big you know,

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01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 17: a big But the other thing is, though, Andrew, I

1729
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 17: think your listeners are obviously got really smart listeners on

1730
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 17: the show. Like a lot of these countries, they want infrastructure.

1731
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,839
Speaker 17: They want a railroad, right, they want a telecom system,

1732
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 17: they want to pour it.

1733
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 8: And you can't fight something with nothing.

1734
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 17: So if the if the Chinese are like, hey, I'll

1735
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 17: give you a crappy port or a crappy road or

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01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 17: a crappy railroad, and.

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Speaker 8: That's the only game in town.

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Speaker 17: If you're Zambia or your Angola, you're going to say yeah, sure.

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01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 17: Or if you're if no one else is going to

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01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 17: lend you money like Venezuela because you're such a broken,

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01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 17: messed up place, because the socialism is driven you into

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Speaker 17: the ground.

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Speaker 8: You're saying, thank you for lending me this money.

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Speaker 17: Mister loan chark, Chinese party person right.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Our guest, by the way, is Daniel Rundy.

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01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 3: He is a fellow with the Center for Strategic and

1747
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 3: International Studies the author of the book The American Imperative,

1748
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 3: Reclaiming Global Leadership.

1749
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 4: Through Soft Power. Now, when you and I chatted last.

1750
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 3: Week, we were trying to figure out what was going

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01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 3: on with Great Genland. You and I were both rights.

1752
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 3: The President was not not going to invade and put

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01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 3: troops on the ground, but talk to us all about

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01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 3: why Greenland is so important when dealing with places like

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Speaker 3: Russia and China.

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Speaker 17: So absolutely, I think so the first thing I would say,

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Speaker 17: and your listeners will understand this. We have had an

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Speaker 17: ongoing interest of the United States and Greenland since eighteen

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Speaker 17: sixty seven or eighteen sixty six Andrew Wow when we

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01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 17: bought Alaska Seaward, who I think was our Secretary of States,

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Speaker 17: and I also not only going to buy Alaska, but

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Speaker 17: as one shield on one side of the Northern American continent,

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01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 17: I want the other side of the North American continent

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Speaker 17: covered by Greenland. The James wouldn't sell it after World

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Speaker 17: War One. We said, well, you sell it to us,

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Speaker 17: and they said no. But they did sell us the

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Speaker 17: US Virgin Island. So the US Virgin Islands used to

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Speaker 17: be Danish colonies.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, just regarduous.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, when you go on a vacation in the US

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Speaker 17: Virgin Island, those were Danish islands that were sold after

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Speaker 17: World War One and in World War Two, when the

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Speaker 17: bad guys that the Nazis took over Denmark. The then

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Speaker 17: Danish ambassador in making this up nineteen forty two, went

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Speaker 17: over to the State Department and said, I'm making a

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Speaker 17: decision on my own as representative of the Danish government,

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Speaker 17: of the Free Danish government, to hand over. I'm going

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01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 17: to lease you Greenland for the rest of this war.

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01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 17: And you managed Greenland and that's how we got Coast

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Speaker 17: Guard people there. Right, there were American World War assets

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Speaker 17: in World War two. As a result of the deal

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Speaker 17: that this ambassador made with the United States, many people

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Speaker 17: in Denmark freaked out on him and he was mistreated.

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Speaker 17: He was only rehabilitated in like nineteen fifty five or something,

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01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 17: so he was like blacklisted by his own country for

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Speaker 17: like ten years. We then signed an agree after World

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Speaker 17: War Two. The Danys like, can we have it back?

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01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 17: And Terry Truman said, I'd like to to buy it,

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01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 17: and the Danes said no. So then we had like

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Speaker 17: five years of negotiations and then we started an agreement

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01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 17: in nineteen fifty one. Hey, different agreement. Well things have changed,

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Speaker 17: Anders Simpson. One is that like there are these hypersonic

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01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 17: missiles across Greenland, so we need act. We need a

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01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 17: lot more missile defense stuff on Greenland and early warning

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01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 17: stuff from Greenland. The second thing is for a bunch

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01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 17: of reasons. Some of the large of it largely technological.

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01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 17: The Russians and the Chinese have an increasing presence in

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Speaker 17: the Arctic, so it's there's an Arctic security issue. And

1799
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 17: there was either a Chinese company or indirectly a Chinese

1800
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 17: indirect ownership tried to buy a mine in Denmark that

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Speaker 17: didn't sorry, in Greenland, the Dane said no, and then

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01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 17: somebody else there's the Russians of the like hey, control report,

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Speaker 17: I believe, and the Danes said no. So this isn't

1804
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 17: like a theoretical this is for real.

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Speaker 3: Right, Hey, Daniel, listen. Unfortunately you're starting to break up

1806
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 3: a little bit. When we're running short on time, Folks

1807
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 3: will tune into the conversation Daniel and I are going

1808
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 3: to have. It's going to be dropped in just a

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Speaker 3: couple of days. Thank you so very much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: My friend, Thanks, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, take care. That's Daniel Rundy.

1812
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,679
Speaker 3: He's a fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

1813
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Speaker 3: In a moment, we're going to be talking about the

1814
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Speaker 3: anniversary the Challenger disaster. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony

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Speaker 3: Kats Today.

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Speaker 4: Well we are back. I am Andrew Langer. Somebody, this

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Speaker 4: is this is good. I probably should have sent and

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01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 4: I should have sent you a Starman or We Can

1819
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 4: Be Heroes by David Bowie.

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Speaker 3: That was a failure on my part. Listen, that's it.

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01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 3: Show's a failure. I'm just gonna wrap it up here anyway,

1822
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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer. And you know I woke

1823
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 3: up this morning and popped up I'm sure for a

1824
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Speaker 3: lot of you popped across my Facebook feed that today

1825
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Speaker 3: is the fortieth anniversary of the Challenger disaster. And for

1826
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Speaker 3: those of you who don't know, if you might be

1827
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 3: too young for this, you know there was a whole

1828
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Speaker 3: fleet of space shuttles. Now, I was a space nerd.

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01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 3: I was I wanted to be an astronaut when I

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01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,720
Speaker 3: was a kid. Turns out it and the aptitude for

1831
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 3: the math, the whole budget thing is going on. But

1832
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 3: I wanted to be an asteroids. I was fascinated by

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01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 3: anything having to do with space and fascinated by the

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Speaker 3: Space Shuttle. Watched the first space Shuttle go up in

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Speaker 3: April of eighty one, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, there was a whole big push.

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Speaker 3: It was interesting because you know in eighty five, eighty

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01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 3: forty five, there was a.

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Speaker 4: Essentially a contest. They nacess solicited.

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Speaker 3: They wanted a science teacher to sign up to apply

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01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 3: to be on a Space Shuttle flight.

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Speaker 4: It was a whole, big, big thing.

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01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 3: They're going to put a teacher in space, which is

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01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 3: a very nice idea. And this would have been the

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth Space Shuttle launch. And there's nothing routine about

1846
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 3: going up in space. And so Krista mccaliffe was the

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01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 3: teacher who was selected, and it was a whole big thing.

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01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 3: And because there was a teacher going up, they weren't

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01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 3: showing like they showed the first Shuttle launch, as it

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01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 3: said in eighty one, a lot of classrooms. I remember

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01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 3: watching it in my class, but they they they showed

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Speaker 3: this launch in a lot of classes. I don't think

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01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 3: I did not watch this live. I think I was

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01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 3: in geometry class when the launch happened. But let's go

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01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 3: ahead and play the audio. This is from NBC News.

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01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 3: I had it a little bit for time. Let's go

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Speaker 3: ahead and play cut number eighteen.

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Speaker 19: It was a bitter cold, but sparkling clear morning at

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Speaker 19: cacanaver Man.

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Speaker 4: And here the last seconds of the countdown three.

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Speaker 19: Two one and lift off left off of the twenty

1862
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Speaker 19: fifth Space Shuttle mission and it is Clare is the tower.

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Speaker 19: All the communications between the shuttle and mission control indicated

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Speaker 19: everything was going fine. There was a sense of relief

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Speaker 19: that the much delayed flight was finally underway.

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Speaker 20: The engines of sixty five percent three engines running normally,

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Speaker 20: three good fuel deals, three good APUs engines trottling up,

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Speaker 20: three engines, and nin one hundred and.

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Speaker 17: Four percent challenger go ahead trottle up.

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Speaker 19: It happened just over one minute inch of flights.

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Speaker 20: One minute fifteen second flocity twenty nine hundred feet per second,

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Speaker 20: altitude nine autical mouth tennisistant.

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Speaker 5: Seven o'clock from mission control.

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Speaker 2: Silence.

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Speaker 19: Then the bland chilling report.

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Speaker 20: We have a report from the flight dynamics officer that

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01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 20: the vehicle has exploded. Flight Director confirms that we're looking

1878
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 20: at checking with the recovery forces to see what can

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Speaker 20: be done at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously nothing, nothing could be done. And obviously

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of discussion as to how long they

1882
01:44:56,360 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 3: were alive for and what what happened then. But the

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01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 3: bottom line here is, and I don't want to I

1884
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 3: don't want to play the blame game. I do want

1885
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 3: to offer this up as an example of the unintended

1886
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 3: consequences of regulation and the risk calculations of of things

1887
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 3: that happened.

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01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 4: You know, my my dad did a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit of work with the folks who were looking

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01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 3: at the root cause. We talked about root causes earlier

1891
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 3: today on the show. And you know, one of the

1892
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 3: things is that when when the federal government stopped using

1893
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 3: asbestos in UH and demanded that the contractors stopped using

1894
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 3: asbestos products UH in their federal contracting, Morton Thiacol had

1895
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,560
Speaker 3: to change the formula.

1896
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 4: For the putty UH that they were that.

1897
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:45,440
Speaker 3: They were using to help keep this UH keep the

1898
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:50,879
Speaker 3: this the UH booster engines connected to the the SRP's

1899
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 3: solid rocket was just connected to the UH the space shuttle,

1900
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 3: and nobody realized that when you change the formula of

1901
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 3: the putty, it changed the dynamics of it. And so

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01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:06,600
Speaker 3: there was an unusually cold morning that morning, and the

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01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:11,680
Speaker 3: the putty had gotten brittle and it couldn't handle the

1904
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: stresses of the launch But the bottom line here is

1905
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 3: that that this was a seminal moment. As I said earlier,

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01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 3: I can't believe that it's forty years.

1907
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:25,639
Speaker 4: It feels like yesterday.

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01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I have been around on this

1909
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 3: earth long enough for me to be celebrating the fortieth

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01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 3: anniversary of some moment right that that all of my

1911
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 3: peers shared. In fact, I know that if I called

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01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,920
Speaker 3: my friends from at that point I guess it was

1913
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 3: my freshman year of high school, that they would that

1914
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 3: they would, you know, they would all have their own

1915
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 3: recollections of this. You know where they were, how they

1916
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 3: found out. You know, for some kids it's it's it's

1917
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,839
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. But you know, just take a moment

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01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 3: today and think about those who have given their lives

1919
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 3: in the service of exploration and in the service of

1920
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 3: you know, the American the American heritage. Do that I mean,

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01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 3: you know it is you know, we are celebrating our

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01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 3: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this year, and there have

1923
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 3: been a lot of moments there where we can celebrate

1924
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 3: those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of

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01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:34,679
Speaker 3: the pursuit of a truth and justice. In any case, guys,

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Speaker 3: I will be back on Friday with all of you

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Speaker 3: very much looking forward to it. We're going to be

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Speaker 3: celebrating another annivers we're really celebrating the anniversary either way,

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Speaker 3: that of the nineteen eighty victory of the US Olympic

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Speaker 3: hockey team, hoping that we're going to be joined by

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Speaker 3: one of the members of that team. As always, you

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Speaker 3: can go check me out Facebook dot com, Slash Andrew

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Speaker 3: Langers Show, follow me on X and Andrew Underscore Langer.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Landon, Have a great night, Stay safe,