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Speaker 1: Live from dal Heartbland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 1: I have been called a lot of things in my life,

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Speaker 1: a great number of things.

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Speaker 2: Some of them have actually been pleasant.

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Speaker 1: But never until I guess it was Friday, was I

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Speaker 1: called a stock Republican. That might be the rudest thing

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Speaker 1: anybody's ever said about me. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today,

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Speaker 1: What is going on with you? Eight three three four

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Speaker 2: Tony that's how.

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Speaker 1: You get to be a part of the. Show live

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Speaker 1: smoking The Monte cristo relentless right.

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Speaker 2: Now good cigar for the.

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Speaker 1: Show this all goes back to an appearance With Sean,

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Speaker 1: spicer WHO i had on the show last, week AND

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Speaker 1: i appeared on his show.

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Speaker 2: Last, week AND i Like sean a.

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Speaker 1: LOT i have been very appreciative of the kindness and

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Speaker 1: the outreach and everything. Else we were having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about this very idea of, affordability the affordability conversation now

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Speaker 1: taking hold amongst the political Right look What Mam donnie

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Speaker 1: Did Zarn, mamdanni the mayor elect In New, york about.

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Speaker 2: Affordability we gotta be talking about.

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Speaker 1: Affordability well, yeah, yeah but more to the, point something

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Speaker 1: we've been saying here from the, beginning tariffs or. TAXES

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Speaker 1: i apologize to no, one including The, president for noting this.

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Speaker 1: Fact i'm not angry with The. PRESIDENT i think that

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Speaker 1: this overarching tew policy concept is. WRONG i believe targeted

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Speaker 1: tariffs are. SMART i believe tariffs is tactic or just.

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Speaker 1: Fine tariffs's, POLICY i think are a big hot. Mess

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Speaker 1: and every conversation of look at all the money that's

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Speaker 1: pouring into the, treasury it's our.

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Speaker 2: Money we're paying, it not these foreign. Nations they're. Not we.

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Speaker 2: Are we're paying the. Tariff, now The president does.

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Speaker 1: Have some things on his side regarding the tariff, conversation

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Speaker 1: and that is it hasn't brought an end to things

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Speaker 1: the way people said it.

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Speaker 2: Would we've managed.

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Speaker 1: It it's kind of amazing and it should be noted

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Speaker 1: we've managed the. TARIFFS i will say WHEN i Hear

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Speaker 1: President trump, say you know what we're gonna give everybody

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Speaker 1: who isn't a high net worth, INDIVIDUAL i don't know

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Speaker 1: what that number is, yet two thousand dollars from these tariff,

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Speaker 1: DOLLARS i, say wouldn't have been better IF i didn't

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Speaker 1: have to pay the tariff to begin?

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Speaker 2: With that.

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Speaker 1: BETTER i don't want my government being benevolent and giving

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Speaker 1: me money. Back don't get me, WRONG i want money,

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Speaker 1: back But i'd rather you didn't take it from me at.

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Speaker 1: All that would be being more, benevolent which is also

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Speaker 1: not a WAY i should think about my own. Government

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Speaker 1: being An american tariff's as tactic makes. Sense you want

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Speaker 1: to Punch china.

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Speaker 2: Right in the, mouth fine by. Me i'm all with.

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Speaker 2: You as a.

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Speaker 1: Matter of, Fact i'll help you train to do. It

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Speaker 1: make sure we've got the proper. Rotation we're utilizing the

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Speaker 1: hip and getting all the energy in there to hit jijinping.

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Speaker 1: Square hit him so hard he'll actually think he Is

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Speaker 1: winnie The. Pooh i'm down for. It i'm here for.

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Speaker 1: IT i need tariffs Against. Switzerland what the the? HELL

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Speaker 1: i just want to watch some things we don't. Need,

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Speaker 1: well we've got a trade, imbalance and well we buy

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Speaker 1: more from them than they buy from.

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Speaker 2: Us, yes does it? Matter, well they're taking advantage of.

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Speaker 2: Us whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

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Speaker 1: Whoa the question is does it? Matter are you okay with?

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Speaker 1: It another way to say, this is there something you

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Speaker 1: get out of it that's actually. Beneficial so if they're

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Speaker 1: taking a little bit of advantage you over, here that's

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Speaker 1: okay because they're doing something over. There maybe they're getting

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Speaker 1: a better deal on us in one or two. Things

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Speaker 1: but maybe what they're getting a better deal on there

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Speaker 1: then reinvesting in.

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Speaker 2: Us and isn't that better? Off don't we want?

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Speaker 1: That not everything is isn't apples to apples. Conversation maybe

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Speaker 1: we're giving up, apples but we're getting bananas at? All holy,

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Speaker 1: hell could we use some? Bananas why can't we look

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Speaker 1: at things like? That isn't that a proper way to

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Speaker 1: engage these economic.

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Speaker 2: ISSUES i don't.

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Speaker 1: Like tariffs as a, policy and tariffs are, taxes AND

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Speaker 1: i will say out loud that people.

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Speaker 2: Who won't admit to this are. Wrong they're. Wrong they're.

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Speaker 2: Taxes let's leave that.

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Speaker 1: There in this conversation about, affordability WHAT i have stated

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Speaker 1: is some things do cost too, much and it's a real.

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Speaker 2: Problem it's a real.

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Speaker 1: Issue but on the subject of tariffs and on the

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Speaker 1: subjects of. COSTS i have said that The trump administration

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Speaker 1: needs to explain to people why these things are. Happening

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Speaker 1: they need to explain what the long term game. Is

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Speaker 1: in the, end The american people want to. Follow they

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Speaker 1: want to be involved in a fight that will make

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Speaker 1: their lives, better in their kids' lives, better In america's lives, better.

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Speaker 2: Or their kids themselves In. America, right we could say

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Speaker 2: it that.

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Speaker 1: Way you got to get them, involved you got to

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Speaker 1: bring them, In you got to be able to explain.

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Speaker 1: It and this is WHAT i want From Scott, bessett

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Speaker 1: The Treasury. Secretary And i'm bothered by the fact that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't engage in this and wants to tell us everything's.

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Speaker 1: Fine everything isn't. Fine this was the conversation that happened

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Speaker 1: On Shawn spicer's. Show this is What god. Said this

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Speaker 1: comes From Steve bannon's war. Room he's playing this clip

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Speaker 1: From Shawn spicer's.

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Speaker 2: Show.

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Speaker 1: Listen i'm willing to go all the way with it

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Speaker 1: and set people a blaze in this, conversation but we should.

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Speaker 2: Be at least at the start not.

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Speaker 1: Insane this is an off year election in blue, states

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Speaker 1: there was built in advantages for The democrats that were.

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Speaker 1: Running as for us missing, MESSAGING i will take this

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Speaker 1: and not put it on the consultant.

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Speaker 2: Class i'll put.

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Speaker 1: This on The Treasury Secretary Scott, bessant who wants to

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Speaker 1: keep telling people that everything is going.

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Speaker 2: Great it isn't it's not, true it's not.

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Speaker 1: Real and thank GOODNESS i Heard President trump finally addressed this,

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Speaker 1: yesterday a, subject at least on.

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Speaker 2: Radio we've been addressing for.

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Speaker 1: Months beef prices are out of, control egg prices are,

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Speaker 1: downs rices are, down but you still feel like everything

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Speaker 1: costs too. Much tariffs do increase the cost of. Things

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Speaker 1: and The president may love the word, tariff the most

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Speaker 1: beautiful word in the, world it still costs us more

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Speaker 1: and we feel that it costs us. More so the

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Speaker 1: reality is you have to be addressing those concerns and

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Speaker 1: explaining why you're engaged in, tariffs why these things are.

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Speaker 1: Happening that's the stuff that. Matters you can't just say everything's.

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Speaker 1: Fine That's Janet yellen saying that inflation is nothing more than,

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Speaker 1: transitory which was.

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Speaker 2: Crap it was a. Lie it was a.

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Speaker 1: Fraud and when you go down that, road you win

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Speaker 1: the stupid. PRIZES i apologize for, nothing said WHAT i,

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Speaker 1: said AND i stand by. It you got to explain

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Speaker 1: it to, People you got to bring them on. Board

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Speaker 1: but things are still too. High Steve, bennan WHO i

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Speaker 1: MENTALLY i haven't spoken to in a great number of.

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Speaker 1: Years the last TIME i spoke About Steve, BENNON i,

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Speaker 1: said anybody Calling Steve bannon and anti semite is out

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Speaker 1: of their. Heads you can say a lot of things

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Speaker 1: About steve anti. Semite the most ridiculous THING i have

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Speaker 1: heard in a good long. Time this was a conversation

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Speaker 1: that came up a couple of years, ago maybe four years,

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Speaker 1: AGO i think before he went to.

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Speaker 2: Jail it was. RIDICULOUS i know people who Despise steve bet.

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Speaker 1: And they're, like, yeah that's just, silly because it was

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Speaker 1: because it was Here's Steve.

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Speaker 2: Okay That's Tony.

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Speaker 3: KASM i Remember tony is a talk radio host In, Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Indiana in a standard stock Classic. Republican this is why

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Speaker 3: he didn't want to blame the consulting, class who is

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Speaker 3: a lot to the whole thing about the campaign the

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Speaker 3: other day was it wasn't that you lost in blue.

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Speaker 3: States we get that it was the scale of the

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Speaker 3: loss and across the country and other these districts and quite,

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Speaker 3: frankly state assemblies and other things that we had been

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Speaker 3: shifting Dramatically, trump Particularly New. Jersey it's points on the.

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Speaker 3: By it was consulting class doing going back With, cituelli

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Speaker 3: talking about tax cuts and talking about the size of,

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Speaker 3: government just issues that are not top of mind right

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Speaker 3: now with. Residents and of course the disaster Of Glenn

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Speaker 3: youngkin in the destruction of The Republican party in The, Comeweth,

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Speaker 3: virginia which is one hundred percent on his, shoulders with terrible,

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Speaker 3: candidates no, message just a joke and no. Effort but in,

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Speaker 3: course you Know tony being a standard Stock, republican they

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Speaker 3: hate tariffs right because they got, this they're the free

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Speaker 3: trade part of The Republican. Party that it was kind

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Speaker 3: of turfed out With President trump at.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen, NOW.

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Speaker 1: I did not SAY i was in love with the consultant.

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Speaker 1: Class on this show, REPEATEDLY i have explained that the

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Speaker 1: consultants are a serious. PROBLEM i have talked About Ron

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Speaker 1: DeSantis two one hundred million dollars plus of a war,

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Speaker 1: In iowa Or New, hampshire and these consultants are gonna

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Speaker 1: get rehired. PLACES i didn't say buy into the consultants

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Speaker 2: Consultant, STEVE i never said. It you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about a?

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Speaker 1: MISREAD i would Argue, steve he did it, purposefully WHICH

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Speaker 1: i don't know. Why my argument Is Scott bessant is

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Speaker 1: stronger and tougher and smarter than the consultant, class and

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Speaker 1: he should be the one addressing these issues directly and

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Speaker 1: Helping President trump with the messaging that is so incredibly necessary.

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Speaker 1: Here you, THINK i think that the consultant class was

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Speaker 1: really there to Help chitarelli and not get some points

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Speaker 1: on the Buy what the hell are you talking, About, Steve, Steve,

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Speaker 1: steven what the hell are you talking?

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Speaker 2: About? Son of course that's a. Problem of course it's a.

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Speaker 1: Problem BUT i expect more From scott besson WHO i

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Speaker 1: think is the smartest guy in the.

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Speaker 2: ROOM i want him to be, STRONGER i want him

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Speaker 2: to be, TOUGHER i wanted to be more.

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Speaker 1: FOCUSED i want him to help lead the messaging so everybody.

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Speaker 2: Else gets the.

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Speaker 1: Message he understands he's smarter than the. Rest he was

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Speaker 1: an inspired pick From Donald, trump and he isn't doing

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Speaker 1: WHAT i think he can, do which is the inspired

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Speaker 1: work of sharing the. Story, also all of a, sudden

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Speaker 1: we don't like free? Markets is that the difference between

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Speaker 1: the conservative and the?

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Speaker 2: Populist?

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Speaker 1: Okay DID i say we should be? Abused DID i

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Speaker 1: say we should accept business as?

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Speaker 2: Usual?

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Speaker 1: NO i asked the question of what they're. Not tariff's

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Speaker 1: policy is a good, Idea and the answer is it's.

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Speaker 1: Not we should be, focused we should be engaged with

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Speaker 2: Tariffs it's a tax on. Us And i'm not interested

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Speaker 1: Us and if that's the populist view of making something,

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Speaker 1: better well THEN i Think, steve with all due.

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Speaker 2: Respect that view holy. Sex let's do something, smarter let's

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Speaker 2: do something. Better BUT i will tell you stock. Republican

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Speaker 2: oh that is just cold. Hearted that is cold.

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Speaker 1: HEARTED i could think of things you could call my

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Speaker 1: mother that would be less insulting than Stock.

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Speaker 2: Republican that's just that's just, Mean. Steve.

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Speaker 1: Mean but you got it, wrong then you got it,

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Speaker 1: wrong and you have it wrong and it's about making

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Speaker 1: this argument that somehow one can't be focused and. Tough

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Speaker 1: the key lesson Of trump is that one must, fight

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Speaker 1: because if you allow these people to say there's only

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Speaker 1: who know the way to do, things then dear, gosh.

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Speaker 2: You're going to.

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Speaker 1: Lose we talk about the shutdown and The democrats. Caving the,

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Speaker 1: great great story from, here and the thing THAT i

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Speaker 1: think can absolutely change a mentality is That republicans didn't

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Speaker 1: capitulate when everybody thought they. Would in a shutdown, situation

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Speaker 1: everyone Thought republicans, would and they did. It you're, like,

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Speaker 1: well oh my, goodness maybe the lesson is finally being.

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Speaker 1: Learned rather than trying to pretend you Are trump doing

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Speaker 1: a cheap imitation Of, trump how about you just stand

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Speaker 1: firm on a philosophy and a.

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Speaker 2: PRINCIPLE i think.

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Speaker 1: You can engage good trade deals without a universal. TARIFFS

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Speaker 1: i didn't say you couldn't use tariffs as a. Tactic

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Speaker 1: everything you said, There steve is. Wrong, everything not a

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Speaker 1: little bit of, it but a whole stinking bunch of.

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Speaker 1: It and for The Treasury Secretary Scott, besson, Oh i'd

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Speaker 1: love to have you on the show and have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: DIRECTLY i will not shy, away. Sir i'll tell you

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Speaker 1: WHAT i think you could tell me why you. Disagree

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Speaker 1: maybe you do agree with. Me maybe you have got

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Speaker 1: serious reason to disagree with, me and you've got things

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Speaker 1: THAT i haven't thought. About i've already stated conceding the.

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Speaker 1: Point then on the, economics you're smarter THAN i. Am

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Speaker 1: But tarrif's are, taxes and if we can't agree to,

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Speaker 1: that well then we've got a serious. Problem But i'm,

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Speaker 1: listening the audience is. Listening we're all right. Here love

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Speaker 1: to have you, On Secretary, besson love to talk to.

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Speaker 2: You about these.

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Speaker 1: Things when you put your self into the world and

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Speaker 1: you put your ideas into the world and you are

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Speaker 1: willing to, engage you have to accept the fact that

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Speaker 1: some people aren't going to agree with. You and when

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Speaker 1: you do it the WAY i do, it WHERE i

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Speaker 1: voted For trump three, times YET i still reserve the

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Speaker 1: right to. DISAGREE i accept the fact that there are

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Speaker 1: gonna be people who come at me and, say you're not,

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Speaker 1: Loyal you're not, This you're not. That allow me to

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Speaker 1: define the loyal thing for. YOU i did not vote

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Speaker 1: For President trump out of loyalty to. HIM i voted

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Speaker 1: For President trump out of what was best for my

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Speaker 1: children and me In. America WHAT i want is the job.

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Speaker 1: Done the loyalty goes the other. Way it's not me

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Speaker 1: To President, trump and It's President trump to, me the,

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Speaker 1: voter me The American AND i believe actually The President

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Speaker 1: trump sees it that.

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Speaker 2: Way the one.

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Speaker 1: THING i know about that, man and he has said

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Speaker 1: that quite, clearly he doesn't mind a tough. Question he

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Speaker 1: just wants it to be. Fair AND i think my

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Speaker 1: commentary is more than. Fair AND i apologize to no

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Speaker 1: one And steve anytime you want to, talk, Man i'm right.

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Speaker 1: Here but Stock, republican that's just downright. Chili it's a

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Speaker 1: load of. Crap but damn is that. Cold I'm Tony,

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Speaker 1: katz and this Is Tony katz.

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Speaker 2: Today