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Speaker 1: psychologist doctor Jeromy Fox will return to our classroom. Doctor Fox,

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Speaker 1: title of that book. For doctor Fox, though, scientists and

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Speaker 1: medical doctor Keith Crawford will explain why prostate cancer disproportionately

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Speaker 1: impacts black Man momentaril. Hopefully we'll speak with doctor Henry Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Johnson's a close associate of OJ and thirty years

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Speaker 1: ago the decision herald around the world was made. But

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Speaker 1: before that, doctor Johnson was telling that the OJ did

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Speaker 1: classroom door open for us this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin, Grand.

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Speaker 2: Rising, indeed, Colonel Nelson. I'm still listening to the ring

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Speaker 2: tone there of doctor Henry Johnson and looking forward to

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Speaker 3: What does he know that we don't know?

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's the second day of October as well as

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Speaker 2: the second day of the government shutdown.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling, Nelson.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning and you know, speaking about the shutdown, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: He's also promised that he's going to make some changes

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Speaker 1: that because he welcomed the shutdown, and if he says

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Speaker 2: Man it's almost as if it was timed, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's where they I think it is where they're

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Speaker 2: Man, and they say, behind the scenes, discussions are still

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Speaker 1: But the problem is, though, Kevin Bad Bunny canceled the

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Speaker 4: Maryland, Grand Rising. I wanted to share concerning Bad Bunny.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well, I would like to start up by telling

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Speaker 5: stolen evidence, which would have completely exonerated old Jay. As

432
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Speaker 5: a matter of fact, OJ should have never been charged

433
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Speaker 5: in the first place, because Nicole and her mother spoke

434
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Speaker 5: by phone at midnight as OJ bordered the plane on

435
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Speaker 5: the way to Chicago. In other words, Nicole and their

436
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Speaker 5: mother spoke by phone at midnight as OJ boarded the

437
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Speaker 5: red Eye flight to Chicago, and they hid those phone records.

438
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Speaker 5: The jury never saw the phone records. We discovered that,

439
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Speaker 5: and based upon that, we asked that the Supreme Court

440
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Speaker 5: would release both Nicole Brown Simpson and her mother's phone records.

441
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Speaker 5: The court has acted corruptly, covering the dirty work of

442
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Speaker 5: the Los Angeles District attorneys.

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Speaker 1: Hold right there, So why didn't why didn't Nicole's mother

444
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Speaker 1: say that though before before the trial, that you know,

445
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Speaker 1: in a conversation with a daughter when when jus was

446
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Speaker 1: on the going to Chicago.

447
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Speaker 5: Well, the question you asked is is is I might say,

448
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 5: asked for a hypothetical answer. There's nothing rhetorical about it.

449
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 5: But the Browns actually changed the time that they said

450
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Speaker 5: they had made the callback to Los Angeles to talk

451
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Speaker 5: to the Messalina restaurant and the coal and they changed

452
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Speaker 5: the time at least by ninety minutes. Initially, when Lou

453
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Speaker 5: Brown talked to the Corners investigator in the morning the

454
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Speaker 5: bodies were discovered, he said that his wife and daughter

455
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Speaker 5: were on the phone at eleven PM. Well, at eleven pm,

456
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Speaker 5: OJ wasting in the back of a mimosine. So there

457
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 5: was a question of whether this call took place at

458
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Speaker 5: eleven or earlier. Well, for some reason, a week later,

459
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Speaker 5: Lou Brown went to the corner's office and moved that

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Speaker 5: time back to nine thirty. So he dropped. He dropped

461
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Speaker 5: the time back to at least ninety minutes, when it

462
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Speaker 5: only took him ninety minutes to travel home. So for

463
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Speaker 5: somebody to overestimate the time that a phone call came in,

464
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Speaker 5: it suggests that he was coerced to do this. And

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Speaker 5: I can I can tell you by large when you

466
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Speaker 5: when you hear a loved one has died suddenly and violently,

467
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Speaker 5: in all probability, you were to remember the exact time

468
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Speaker 5: you laugh, saw them, spoke to them, you know where

469
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Speaker 5: you were, what you were wearing, and all that sort

470
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Speaker 5: of thing. So in terms of designated the exact time.

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Speaker 1: All I thought again, Doc, all, I thought again. Thirty

472
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Speaker 1: minutes after the top there I founally just joined us

473
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Speaker 1: a doctor Henry Johnson's I guess he's a strong friend

474
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Speaker 1: of O. J. Simpson before the trial he was. This

475
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Speaker 1: is with the conversation we were having on the radio

476
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Speaker 1: with doctor Johnson, and tomorrow is the anniversary of the

477
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Speaker 1: jury decision finding O J. Anderson. But doctor Johnson, the

478
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Speaker 1: information you just shared with us about the timeline of

479
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Speaker 1: the phone calls, did Johnny Cochran and he's the team

480
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Speaker 1: know that information as well?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, he did, Yes, he did. But in the

482
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Speaker 5: in the judges chambers during the preliminary hearing, when the

483
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Speaker 5: judge saw what the phone records said, she sealed the

484
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Speaker 5: phone records, and I induced Marsha Clark and Shapiro to

485
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Speaker 5: stipulate to a time that the phone calls actually made. Okay,

486
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Speaker 5: So what I'm telling you is that she sealed the

487
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Speaker 5: phone records and the jury was actually never shown an

488
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Speaker 5: official copy of the actual phone records from Verizon GT.

489
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Speaker 5: They never saw them. What the jury saw was a

490
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Speaker 5: fraudulent graphic art depiction of the phone records, and that

491
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Speaker 5: way they could proceed with this false, fictitious investigation of

492
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Speaker 5: old J. Simpson.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and I'm just saying, today's Johnny Cochran's birthday. By

494
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Speaker 1: the way, Johnny Cockran's put on this day in nineteen

495
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Speaker 1: thirty seven and made his transition back in March of

496
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five. And what you're saying, though, so

497
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Speaker 1: even with that against them the Cockrane team, did you

498
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Speaker 1: do you think they did a great job? How do

499
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Speaker 1: you see what he did or what the other side

500
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Speaker 1: says was during nullification, the sisters on the panel no

501
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Speaker 1: way vote to convict the black man regardless of the crime.

502
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Speaker 1: Which way do you fall on that?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's silly. First of all, black women,

504
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: black males, the commonly black women set on criminal juries.

505
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Speaker 5: And I tell you that the the three greatest, the

506
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Speaker 5: great the three greatest assets of of of black people

507
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Speaker 5: bio large are their morals? Are there are there are

508
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Speaker 5: their their courage and their and their intuition. I mean

509
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: we use courage and intuition morals when it was illegal

510
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Speaker 5: to teach black people how to read and write. So

511
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Speaker 5: for those black women to fit through those sixteen months

512
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Speaker 5: of sequestration, if those sisters believe that this man killed

513
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Speaker 5: the mother of his children, they would have put in

514
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Speaker 5: their heart of hearts, they would have put Old J.

515
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Speaker 5: Simpson under the penitentiary. So I don't believe there was

516
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Speaker 5: any jury nullification. It was some get back in None

517
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 5: of that, Okay. If those ladies actually sell in their heart,

518
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Speaker 5: I don't care how like Johnny's present station was. If

519
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 5: those ladies, those ladies actually upheld the integrity of the

520
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Speaker 5: judicial system in this country because the courts were corrupt,

521
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 5: the district attorney was corrupt, and they both covered the

522
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Speaker 5: dirt the dirty cops in Los Angeles when they plant

523
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Speaker 5: most of all that evidence and.

524
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Speaker 1: Speak to that, because I'm not sure if some of

525
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: the audience knew, because you know, we went through this

526
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Speaker 1: with a fine tooth comb during the trial, and Johnny

527
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: would call us on our program. We did a show

528
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: like we're doing here, and every morning we get a

529
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Speaker 1: call from Johnny gives the update or a preview what

530
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Speaker 1: was going on in the trial. And it was good

531
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Speaker 1: for us this for ratings, if you will. But you

532
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: get into it deeper. You were saying that even if

533
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Speaker 1: the way the murders were conducted, you know, you've got

534
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: more scientific that it couldn't have been old j Cook

535
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: because something with the knife or the wrong hand or

536
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: something like that. Could you get into that and share

537
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: that with our audience today, certainly?

538
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Speaker 5: You know, a patient brought me a copy of the

539
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: autopsy reports, uh following the following the criminal trial, but

540
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 5: before the civil trial, which was a double Jebarty trial.

541
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Speaker 5: But when I reviewed the autopsies on the Cole and

542
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 5: Rock Goldman, it was obvious there were two failings that

543
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 5: did that did this, and the more lethal of the

544
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Speaker 5: two was left handed. Nicole was killed by a lefty

545
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Speaker 5: and Roald Gohman was attacked by two individuals, both left

546
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Speaker 5: and right handed, with two distinguishably different knives, one very

547
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 5: similar to a buck knife, a singletch knife, and the

548
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 5: second knife was a dagger with two sharp edges. He

549
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: was attacked by two. It was it was the It

550
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: was the buck knife that did the main damage to

551
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Speaker 5: both of them, and the buck knife to singlete knife

552
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: was well by a left hander. Now, OJ nicked the

553
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 5: back of his middle finger, or on his left hand.

554
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: And you will, if you have an accident in the

555
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Speaker 5: kitchen their garage, using a sharp inch and a knife

556
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 5: for whatever, You're always going to cut the free hand.

557
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: You will never cut the back of the hand clutching

558
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: the knife. So that worked against the theory that OJ

559
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 5: did this. Over and beyond that. When I produced a

560
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 5: synopsis of the phone records, I mean excuse me. I

561
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 5: produced a synopsis of the of the autopsy reports. And

562
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Speaker 5: OJ's civil dream team learned of the work that I did.

563
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: It took me out to lunch, they took my information

564
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: and they gave it to Michael Badden. Michael Baden used

565
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: my investigation during the during his civil trial testimony. Now,

566
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: Michael Baden was OJ's forensic a specialist who testified in

567
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: both the criminal trial as well as the civil trial.

568
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: When he testified in the civil trial, the first thing

569
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Speaker 5: that came out of his mind was that two assailants

570
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Speaker 5: who did this? No one said two assailants before Michael

571
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: Badden did, and he did it after reading my information,

572
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 5: my synopsis of this case. There were two assailants. One

573
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Speaker 5: of the assailants I believe is a fellow named Glenn Rogers,

574
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Speaker 5: who happens to be a serial killer. He was tried

575
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 5: and convicted of killing seven women. The authorities estimated that

576
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 5: he might have killed twenty. And I had lunch with

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Speaker 5: Glenn Rodgers' brother, my investigative group did, and he told

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Speaker 5: us that Glenn told him he had killed almost seventy women.

579
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Speaker 5: He's one of the most prolific killers of the end

580
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Speaker 5: of the millennium, the end of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: And I hate to break your rhythm right now, but

582
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: we got to step aside and get caught up with

583
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Speaker 1: the ladies news trafficking weather for at different stations in

584
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Speaker 1: twenty three minutes away from the top. They our family.

585
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: You're hearing some of you hearing some of this stuff.

586
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Speaker 1: For the first time. You know, tomorrow is the anniversary

587
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: thirty years ago was the verdict that heard around the

588
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: world when they found that the jury declared that oh J.

589
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: Simpson was innocent. What are your thoughts eight hundred four

590
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: or five zero, seventy eight to seventy six or take

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Speaker 1: a phone calls after the news trafficking weather, that's next

592
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Speaker 1: a grind rising family sixteen minutes away from the top

593
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Speaker 1: of that. With that doctor Henry Johnson, a close associate

594
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: of O. J. Simpson back in the day before the

595
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: trial and during the trial, that doctor Johnson used to

596
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Speaker 1: share all this information. He's sharing with this now. The

597
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: reason why he's doing it though, because tomorrow is the

598
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Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of the jury's decision that was heard around

599
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Speaker 1: the world that found that OJ was innocent of the murders,

600
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Speaker 1: and some people still say that OJ didn't do it.

601
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Speaker 1: And later I'll share with you how we got Johnny

602
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Speaker 1: Cochrane become part of our program. We've given us a

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Speaker 1: morning update and also after the verdict, Johnny was in

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Speaker 1: our studios, were the first one interviewed John and OJ

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Speaker 1: as well. That was a chaos there that day. I'll

606
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Speaker 1: share that with you as well. I promised to do that.

607
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Speaker 1: But later this morning we're going to hear uh clinical

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Speaker 1: psychologist doctor Jeroni Fox. He's you know, he's going to

609
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Speaker 1: return to our classroom and talk about his book Addicted

610
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Speaker 1: to White The Oppressed in the League of the Oppressor

611
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Speaker 1: of Shane based their lives for doctor Fox. That we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear Froim scientists and medical doctor Keith Crawford. It'smrow

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Speaker 1: was Friday, Free mind and join us for another open

614
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Speaker 1: PHLM Friday program. We're being promptly at six am Eastern time.

615
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Speaker 1: Don't wait to the last minute every Friday. We got

616
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Speaker 1: a bunch of folks who waited the last minute and

617
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: they can't get in. So make sure you jump on

618
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Speaker 1: early so we can hear what you have to say.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Johnson, I'll let you finish your thought because you

620
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: now are explaining to us who you think actually committed

621
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Speaker 1: those murders, because that's the question I was going to

622
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Speaker 1: ask you. If it wasn't Ojay, who was it. So

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish that.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 5: As I mentioned, there's a fellow named Glenn Rogers who

626
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 5: is a well known serial killer, and Glenn basically dated Nicole,

627
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: They've slept together. Glenn Rogers painted Nicole's kind of minium

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Speaker 5: where she was killed, and his his fingerprints were found

629
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Speaker 5: throughout the condominium. But what the media has held from

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00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 5: you is that Glenn Rodgers also worked with law enforcement.

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Speaker 5: He had busted over two hundred people. He is basically

632
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 5: a paid confidential informant. Now, aside from Glenn Rodgers having

633
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Speaker 5: that status, Ron Goldman was also a paid confidential informant.

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Speaker 5: We have a cover sheet that has ron Goldman's criminal

635
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 5: files filled in the state of California and is protected

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00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 5: by criminal code California Criminal Code six two five four,

637
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: which protects the criminal file of confidential informant. Ronald Goldman

638
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 5: had a bench worn for his arrest a night that

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Speaker 5: he died. And these are the things that's why I say.

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Speaker 1: Made up here again, was it was he dating Nicole

641
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Speaker 1: doc Ron Goman.

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00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: Ronald Goldman was basically a golfer. Ronald Goldman was slanging

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Speaker 5: and moving around cocaine in West Los Angeles. Ronald Goleman

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Speaker 5: has a criminal file that is at least six inches stick.

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Speaker 5: My brother was part of my investigation group, was perusing

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Speaker 5: its file and they were holding it in Malville, California,

647
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Speaker 5: at the courthouse. When my brother went there, he got

648
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Speaker 5: a hold of the file and a supervisor snatched a

649
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: file away from my brother and said, you can't review

650
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 5: this because Edo has a feel on it. Okay, So

651
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 5: I'm just giving you the tidbits surrounding Old Jay's case

652
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: that they sequestered in order to the point this fraudulent

653
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 5: finger at Old j Simpson.

654
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Well, how much was he van Adam had OJ's blood.

655
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: It was driving around van Adam. He's an LAPD officer

656
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: who was investigadication hand OJ's blood and he was driving

657
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: around it for a couple of days before taking it

658
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: to the lab. And then they found the sock and

659
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: this is where this is where Johnny cockran comes in

660
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: and they found the side. There was blood on one

661
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: of OJ's socks. But the blood went through both sides.

662
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: Can you I'm sure you know this. It went through

663
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Speaker 1: both sides. So if if the blood was on it

664
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Speaker 1: when OJ was on his had it on his foot,

665
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Speaker 1: it'd only go through his foot, would have stopped the

666
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: blood from going to the other side. So what part

667
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: of the cover up does the LAPD did they know

668
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: all of this? What you're talking about these other dudes

669
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: and they were trying to frame juice. How do you

670
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: see it?

671
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 5: Well, let me just say this. It was proven that

672
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: all these samples that had Olj's blood in them also

673
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: had EDTA, which is a preservative only found in test tubes.

674
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Speaker 5: So OJ's blood was wherever they located, it was contaminated

675
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: with blood that was found only in a test tube.

676
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 5: And incidentally, they did not have to go to the

677
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 5: crime scene to plant the blood. All they did was

678
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 5: to switch the swatches. The the samples of blood that

679
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 5: they collected were were taken to lots ange Tho's police department.

680
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 5: There was no chain of custody that the the the

681
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: the slatches that they tested were kept in a an

682
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: atrium that was not locked in any any drying chamber.

683
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: And the the the the the the slatches that collected

684
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 5: that they which they collect's blood in. By the time

685
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: that they had returned from the lab, the slatches were

686
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 5: no longer initialized and had the the criminologists uh initials

687
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 5: and serial numbers on those on those slatches. So it

688
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 5: wasn't this uh uh Olympian hurdle to cross to go

689
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 5: and plant blood evidence all over the crime scene. The

690
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 5: blood the OJ's blood was planted on the swatches. They

691
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 5: had positive blood preservative in them and they did that

692
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 5: all in the LA Police Department.

693
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Speaker 1: All right, do you want to take a call before

694
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Speaker 1: you go on, because Jay's reaching out just from the

695
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: Motor City in Detroit. He's online. Three, Jay, you have

696
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: a question for doctor Johnson.

697
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Speaker 6: Yes, good, good morning. Uh, this is incredible, really, but

698
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Speaker 6: I just wanted to ask the doctor Fitty he expound

699
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Speaker 6: on some of the things within the trial, especially related

700
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Speaker 6: to the police officer, Mark Furman's testimony and where uh,

701
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 6: Judge Ito only allowed the portion of the tapes that

702
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 6: they had with Mark Furman to about certain things. And

703
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 6: I got that from Johnny Carcran's autobiography. So could you

704
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: expound on that aspect of it?

705
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: Well?

706
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Speaker 5: Takes for raising it. And before I get into it,

707
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Speaker 5: I want to shout out to the Million Man March.

708
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: This is the thirtieth anniversary of the Million Man March too.

709
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 5: It came in two weeks after the acquittal, So the

710
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 5: two wonderful events that happened thirty years ago in the

711
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 5: same month. But I'm glad that you brought up Mark

712
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 5: Firmer's name. Because Mark Fremer was the lead detective that

713
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: basically found the blood evidence and then the bronco. He

714
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 5: found the trail of blood at ol J's home in Rockingham,

715
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: he found the hat, the gloves, all that sort of thing.

716
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: And when Mark Fremer was on trial, the lead detective

717
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 5: had to take the fifth. In other words, he perjured

718
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: himself and he had to take the fifth. He took

719
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 5: the fifth three times, which was a sellonade. And who's

720
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: ever heard of a lead detective having to take the

721
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 5: fifth to protect himself against prosecution. So that's basically what

722
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 5: the story is, Mark Fifth, Mark Furman, Mark fifth to

723
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: Furman when you trump to But I won't go into that.

724
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 5: Mark Furman, the lead detective and Old J. Simpson trial,

725
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 5: they excuse him from testifying because they knew that he

726
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 5: was a dirty cop and the evidence just was not

727
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 5: adding up.

728
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: Well let me jump, thanks Jay. What was it the

729
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Freman's testimony that the trial turned or was it Johnny?

730
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: If it if it doesn't fit, you must have quit.

731
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Was Johnny trying on the glove or having Jews try

732
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: on the glove? How do you see? It was his

733
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: firmans when they found out about him saying he never

734
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: used the N word, and they had, you know, reports

735
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: that he's alive, he's a dirty cop.

736
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 7: He said, well, how do you see?

737
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 5: There were a number there were a numbers of things

738
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 5: that turned the they that stacked up for the victory.

739
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 5: But what in Madam Foreman, the book that the jurors

740
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: uh that got together and wrote, they said what convinced

741
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 5: and themost was as I as I pointed out to you,

742
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: uh uh the criminologists, uh doctor Lee Uh. He explained

743
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: the issue of E. D T A on the swatches. Okay, Now,

744
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: the blood for O. J. It was it was picked

745
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 5: up by criminologists at the crime scene, supposedly, and she

746
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 5: testified that she used uh distilled water Q tips and

747
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 5: the tech detectives pointed out what drops they wanted her

748
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 5: to pick up. So she used the distilled water with

749
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 5: the Q tips, got a sample and smitted it on

750
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: the swatches. Meant she initial them. She she serialized them,

751
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: and she put them in a tray in their in

752
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: their vehicle at the crime scene and from there they

753
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: transported them to the police department where they're putting a

754
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: drying chamber for twenty four hours. All right, So subsequent

755
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 5: to being in the drying chamber. They took those swatches

756
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 5: and they placed those swatches in what's called it bindos,

757
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: just a little paper coin envelope, and they slid the swatches,

758
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 5: which was a little piece of cotton paper into the

759
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 5: into the cotton into the into the envelope. They sent

760
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: those envelopes to some mark labs to test them for DNA. Okay,

761
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 5: and then the results show that there was OJ's blood,

762
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 5: It was nicoles. There was Ron Squad's blood, all right.

763
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 5: So Henry Lee, when he came on the case, what

764
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 5: he did was he looked at the small brown envelopes

765
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: and what he did was he cut the envelopes opened

766
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: and turned them inside out, and there was a appeared

767
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 5: to be a water trans for there was a water

768
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 5: transfer mark on the inside of the of the little

769
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: brown envelope. And so he wondered, well, why could there

770
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: be a liquid transfer mark on the inside of the

771
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 5: envelope when these these cotton swabs had been sitting in

772
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 5: a drying chamber for twenty four hours. Well, it turned

773
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: out that the only envelopes that had a water transfer

774
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 5: mark on inside were the envelopes that held swatches with

775
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: OJ's blood. Okay, that the envelopes that had contained Nicole's

776
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: blood and Ron Golme's blood did not have that water

777
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: mark transfer. So basically, OJ's blood was still wet twenty

778
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: four hours after sitting in a drying chamber. And aside

779
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: from that, the watches that had Nicole and Ron Golman's

780
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 5: blood were initial by Andrea Mozzola the chriminologists and serialized. However,

781
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 5: now the swatches that had OJ's blood and were also

782
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 5: found to have blood preservatives on them no longer had

783
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: Andrea Mozsola's initials on them. And so when Johnny asked

784
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 5: Andrew Mozzola, can you explain why your initials are not

785
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 5: on these watches with OJ's blood, she couldn't answer that.

786
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 5: And when that when, when Johnny pulls that question to

787
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 5: Edo Itto said something, I'm not I'm sorry, not Etel,

788
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: but Henry Lee, who was also Asian as well. When

789
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 5: Johnny pulls that question, how can you explain a transfer

790
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: of a water mark with OJ's blood after twenty four

791
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: hours and this woman's initials are no longer on it?

792
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 5: And and doctor Henry Lee said something wrong, And that

793
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 5: is what the women jury said had flipped down when

794
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: they loved doctor Lee. When Lee came back, and he

795
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: would now turnish his reputation.

796
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: All left the right there, Doctor Johnson, we got to

797
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: step aside and get caught up on the lady's traffic

798
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: and weather. They're at different cities. I'll let you finish

799
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: that thought when you get back. Some people got questions

800
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: for years. Well three minutes away from the top, they

801
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: have family discussing thirty years ago the verdict that they

802
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: was hurled around the world. O. J. Simpson innocent? What

803
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: are your thoughts eight hundred and four or five zero

804
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six taking calls after the trafficking weather

805
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: that's next and grand rising family, and thank you for

806
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: us starting your davids this Thursday morning. Here we're on

807
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: the second day of October. Tomorrow will be thirty years

808
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: ago the verdict heard around the world. And that was

809
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: when OJ Simpson the panel found him innocent of the

810
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: double murders of Nicole and Ron. And so this is

811
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: what we discussing right now with doctor Henry Johnson. He

812
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: used to be part of a cadre of people involved

813
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: with the trial. Gonna share, I'll share with you too.

814
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: How we got Johnny cockran to be calling in every

815
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: morning on our show back then in la Uh give

816
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: us the tip bits of what happened the day before

817
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: and what was probably and he wouldn't give up too

818
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: much and what was going to happen on the ongoing day.

819
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: But doctor Johnson, I'm gonna let you finish your thought.

820
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: We got some folks got questions for you as well,

821
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish though, then I'll take some

822
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: calls for you.

823
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I wanted to say that set. You know,

824
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: we've all j we developed a friendship. I met him

825
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 5: minus on the fiftieth birthday, and you know, we developed friendship.

826
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 5: He wanted to see the investigation that my ultra medical

827
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 5: legal investigations that and you know, we we we developed

828
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 5: pretty much of a lifetime friendship. I visited Oja when

829
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 5: he fell into that trap in Nevada. They stuck with

830
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 5: willerness and love lock Nevada where he did. They gave

831
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 5: him thirty three years for every every million dollar that

832
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 5: he was fine to payoff Fred Goleman as Fred Goman's slave.

833
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 5: But you know, at thirty three is kind of as

834
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 5: one of those mysterious numbers, but you know, thirty three million,

835
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: thirty three years. But you know, I went out. I

836
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 5: saw him probably about twelve times in the penitentiary and

837
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 5: I interviewed. They called me up. I interviewed with George

838
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 5: Stebbanopolis during the during the parole hearing. But I've interviewed

839
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 5: on CNN. I interviewed with Stepanopolis, I interviewed with Devil Roberts,

840
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 5: I interviewed on Fox, CNN, ABC. But unfortunately every time

841
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 5: they interview me, they cut me off because I'm just

842
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: being matter of fact and emotional disinterested. But I'm just

843
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 5: bringing you the facts that two killers did this. The

844
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 5: more leaf of the two was Glenn Rogers. Oj Is.

845
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 5: All of OJ's blood that was found at the location

846
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 5: had preservative in it. The blood was planted. They did

847
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 5: that at the LAPD department. They did not have to

848
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 5: go to the crime scene. And the last thing that

849
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 5: I want to say is that Nicole and her mama

850
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: spelled by phone at midnight as OJ was signed selfies

851
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 5: on the Red Eye flight. They submitted fake, fraudulent phone

852
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 5: records in front of the jury. They never actually solve

853
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 5: the actual phone records, but they used this fake graphic

854
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: art exhibit to sustain a Marsia Clark the Lada's phony

855
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 5: timeline to point the finger at O. J. Simpson, and

856
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 5: they protected and enabled the actual real killers to get

857
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 5: to get away. And I believe it was all related

858
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 5: to drug smuggling and money laundry, and I believe LA

859
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: and some other politicians are connected to that.

860
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Speaker 1: I say this because part of the drug part that

861
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: we heard about that and Nicole had a serious cocaine

862
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: problem and OJ was was paying her off, paying off

863
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: our dealers. And then he cut off the money that

864
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: he because he was subsistizing the family as we know,

865
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Speaker 1: who lived where somewhere to south of l A down

866
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Speaker 1: near San Diego. I forgot the name of the city,

867
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: real expensive place they lived, and he got this the

868
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: Stanna point and he got the sister into the USC

869
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: so he was backrolling them. So he decided to cut

870
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: out that off because he's got to pay the drug

871
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: dealers for Nicole, and he wanted to get his kids,

872
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: wanted to get a divorce. And that's why what you

873
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: said where they were trying to frame it, O J.

874
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: Was because he cut them off, they cut off the money.

875
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: So that may that may be, you know, there may

876
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: be some credence to that. But hold that right there,

877
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: doctor Johnson, because he's been holding for a minute. From Maryland.

878
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: He wants to speak with it. She's online too, Grand Rising, D.

879
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: You're on with doctor Johnson.

880
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, Grand Rising. I just want to quickly say that

881
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 8: during that time, I was a surgeon and we lived

882
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 8: in Atlanta, and he flew out to California and when

883
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 8: he came back, he hit. While he was out in California,

884
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 8: he had visited some of his uh doctor buddies, and

885
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 8: they told him that there they were e R doctors

886
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 8: and they said when the bodies came in, they were

887
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 8: cut t shape and so the doctors knew. They said, oh,

888
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 8: this is a hit. And so I held on to

889
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 8: that information. And he told me he's a white guy.

890
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 8: So and he said, yeah, he said it it. OJ

891
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 8: didn't do it. He said it was a hit and

892
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 8: probably was, which is connected to her lifestyle. So that's

893
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 8: all I wanted to say.

894
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: All right, thanks. The doctor Johnson couldn'tcur what's this because

895
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: some people say OJ didn't have the skill to do that.

896
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: This was this was a skilled the person who committed

897
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: those murders right.

898
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 5: Well Rogers did I mean Glenn Rogers, Like I said,

899
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 5: he was trying and convict it of killing seven women.

900
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 5: His mo for killing women was he was slimming their throats. Okay.

901
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 5: His brother brought me the autopsies on seven of his victims,

902
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 5: and we, like I said, me and my brother had

903
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 5: lunch with Plod Rogers, Rogers brother and when who were

904
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 5: having a discussion. I said, well, I'm just listening to them.

905
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 5: And Joyce Spiser was an investigator for the Rogers family

906
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 5: and she was so the four of us were at

907
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 5: lunch and I asked, I told the brother. I said,

908
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 5: I didn't have one question. He said, well, what is it?

909
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 5: I said, it was your brother left handed? And Cloud

910
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 5: said I don't remember. And I said, I said to myself,

911
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 5: you know you're lying because you know what hand you're

912
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 5: your brother that you was raised with. And Joyce Spiders said, well,

913
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 5: I can tell you, yeah, he's left handed. And when

914
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 5: she said that, there was there was complete silence. Okay,

915
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 5: and then the conversation started up once again. But yeah,

916
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 5: Nicole Brown Simpson had her thoughts slit by a lefty

917
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 5: and Ron Goleman had the stab wounds from a lefty

918
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 5: and a right. They got mirror image stabs. A matter

919
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 5: of fact, Nicole had her thoughts slit from right to left,

920
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 5: and Ronald Goleman had his throat slit from left to right,

921
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 5: so they had kind of mirror image of slash wounds

922
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 5: and crowns across her thilt. But I just want to

923
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 5: say this, ron Goleman's uh wounds to his neck were

924
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 5: not the ones that killed him. They were superficial, all right.

925
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 5: So ron Goleman's voice box was still intact, and he

926
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 5: just had a nick in the external jugular vein, which

927
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 5: is a vein not having arteries cut like the karateids.

928
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 5: Nicole Brown Simpsons karateds were cut, so immediately the blood

929
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 5: cut off to her brain, she was dead in a second.

930
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 5: Ronald Goleman could still fight, Ronald Goleman could still scream,

931
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 5: so in some kind of way they were able to

932
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 5: keep Ryan Goleman quiet while they took him out. So

933
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 5: I asked you, how does one assailant keep one man

934
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 5: that's fighting for his life quiet when he is stabbing

935
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 5: him multiple times with two knives. Okay, if you got

936
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 5: when you get stabbed once, you would have blood curling screams, Okay.

937
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 5: So this whole concept that one guy did this was

938
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 5: was was crap. The guy that did the autopsies never

939
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 5: testified because he had a he had a reputation of

940
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 5: not lying when he was on the stand. So they

941
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 5: brought this Indian doctor, doctor los Monting in and doctor

942
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 5: lox Mine. He was ahead. He was the administrative chief

943
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 5: of the Coroner's office in LA And he comes in

944
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 5: and he tells you that one assailant did this. That

945
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 5: was nothing but pure nonsense. Okay. There was two assailants

946
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 5: that did it. The main assailant was Glenn Rogers in

947
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 5: all probability, his partner's name is Stephen Keeley. Okay. And

948
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 5: so you got a black doctor telling you this, and

949
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 5: the media nor the political structure wants a black doctor

950
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 5: to put the nail in the coffin. Regarding the investigation

951
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 5: of O. J. Simpson. You had a black attorney, Johnny Cochrane,

952
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 5: that got OJ exonerated. Now here comes a black doctor

953
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 5: that is going to shut this investigation down entirely. And

954
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 5: they said, now we're we can't have that. We need

955
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 5: to get this, we need to get political coinage out

956
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 5: of this thing. And then so they dragged them to

957
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 5: Santa Monica where they held a double jeopardy trial, and

958
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 5: they created nothing but racial animosity behind us. They started

959
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 5: burning black churches that the police kill Rader and the

960
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 5: black community shot up. They took the affirmative action away

961
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 5: from black students to get into college, and all this,

962
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 5: all that racial animosity has continued to march all the

963
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 5: way up to the present presidential elections. So I'm just

964
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 5: telling you that's why you know, there's there's dates in

965
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 5: our lives that are very important to us, so we

966
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 5: should never forget them. This is one of those dates.

967
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: When the world celebrated the acquittal of og Simpson, the

968
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 5: October third, nineteen ninety five, victory of justice right in.

969
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: The world, Well, the white world didn't celebrate. They were

970
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: a gas that was showing people because they showed it

971
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: on the big screen of Times Square. And when you

972
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: see the look on white people's foot face and they

973
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: juxtaposed that with students and Howard what jubilant. So some

974
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: people didn't like that. But yeah, I'm glad you hear

975
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: this one because thirty years ago, if folks just jogging

976
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: memory where you were, because you probably know where you

977
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: were when the jury came back with it, Reverdie is

978
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: saying that Oh Jay was innocent eight hundred and four five,

979
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: eight seventy six, twelve after the top of our author's

980
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, has a question for you, doctor Johnson,

981
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: grand Rising, Dorothy, you're on with doctor Johnson.

982
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 8: Grand Rising to everyone. My question to doctor Johnson, this

983
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 8: information is so astounding.

984
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 5: Will you write a book or.

985
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 8: Have you written a book? And can you provide the

986
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 8: information we.

987
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 9: Need to know?

988
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate that that question very much. And actually

989
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 5: there's two books I wrote. One is what my brother wrote.

990
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 5: One My book is called Double Cross for Blood. It's

991
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 5: a sub post book. You can you can yelp it,

992
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 5: you can contact me in my office. I can get

993
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 5: you copies of it. People love this book. I couldn't

994
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 5: get a book deal. They try to suppress it. My

995
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 5: brother's book is called In Pursuit of Exhibit thirty five.

996
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 5: So you have those two books, Double Cross for Blood

997
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 5: and Thomas Johnson wrote In Pursuit of Exhibit thirty five

998
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 5: the telephone records. And last thing is we produce the

999
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 5: documentary entitled Serpents Rising Oh Jay's most art and critics

1000
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 5: of oj review that documentary in one hour, they will say.

1001
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 5: They will get up and tell you, oh, Jay is

1002
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 5: in a set. All this media high from the Cube

1003
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 5: Gooding series to the exp ESPN series, all that stuff

1004
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 5: is pure fluff. It's nothing but garbage. The Serpents Rising

1005
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: documentary is will be the gold standard for documentaries regarding

1006
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 5: the trial of the century. To keep that in mind,

1007
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: double Cross for Blood Pursuit of the Exhibit thirty five

1008
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 5: and the documentary Serpents Rising.

1009
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, thank you so much. The Allens in

1010
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: San Diego. Doctor Johnson's got a question for his online

1011
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: to a grand rising all your own, doctor Hannah Johnson.

1012
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 10: Hi, how you doing?

1013
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 9: All right?

1014
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 11: Listen, I'm gonna ask a question. Did you did you

1015
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 11: hear about a third person that was murdered to around

1016
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 11: the same time they used to They said that he

1017
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 11: used to deliver a director Nicole Brown. That's uh, I heard,

1018
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 11: well run the same time.

1019
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, there's a there's a fellow named Michael Nigg

1020
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 5: n I double g. Michael Nigg was the was one

1021
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 5: of the head waiters at the Messalona that actually hired

1022
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 5: Ronald Goleman. As a matter of fact, Ronald Goldman's sister

1023
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 5: dated Michael Nig. Michael Nigg was on the was on

1024
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 5: the witness list to testify. Johnny cockerd had some in

1025
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 5: Michael Nigg. Three weeks before Michael Nig was to give testimony,

1026
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 5: Michael Nig was shot at an ATM three times in

1027
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: the head with his girlfriend watching the killers that did this,

1028
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 5: But the media never mentioned anything about a witness that

1029
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 5: was to testify, that worked with, that hired and worked

1030
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 5: with Ronald Goldman was killed, was murdered three three days

1031
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 5: excuse me, three weeks before he was to testify. Now,

1032
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 5: Michael Nigg worked at the Mezzaluna. He drove a seven

1033
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 5: point thirty five BMW and just like Ronald Goleman, he

1034
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 5: lived within walking distance two blocks away from the Mesaluna

1035
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 5: in the high rent district where rents were at that

1036
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 5: time over three thousand dollars a month for a one

1037
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 5: bedroom apartment. This guy lived within walking distance in a

1038
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 5: high rent district. They part time waiters salary, So you

1039
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 5: got to figure out how how do these guys afford

1040
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 5: this sort of lifestyle?

1041
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh?

1042
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 11: Okay, also too, because see because see at first I

1043
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 11: thought that O. J. Simpson did it. Too, and everything

1044
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 11: until I like listen to the hearings to that, and

1045
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 11: then when that were not pathologists, Uh, that's pathologists. Hey,

1046
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 11: what kind of nice were hughes or doing the murders?

1047
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 11: And he says, I don't know. And they said, well,

1048
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 11: what do you mean you don't know? And he goes, well,

1049
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 11: they took the bodies away before I got to examine it.

1050
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 11: That right there told me that O. J. Simpson didn't

1051
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 11: do it, you know, right? And then yeah, and and

1052
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 11: I'm going.

1053
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: To move on because you're racing the clock so much.

1054
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: Folks want to talk to doctor Johnson.

1055
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, and also too, all right, no problem, no, no, okay.

1056
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: That's got to take a break because we have another

1057
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: guest scheduled seventeen minutes after the top. They have family.

1058
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: I guess it's doctor Henry Johnson is a close associate

1059
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: of O. J. Simpson. Thirty years ago. It was thirty

1060
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: years ago that the decision came around the world that

1061
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: OJ was innocent by a Predomini black jury of sisters,

1062
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: and people said it was a jury nullification. They wouldn't,

1063
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, find a brother guilty. But what are your thoughts?

1064
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six,

1065
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: or take your calls real quickly after this short break

1066
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: and grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us.

1067
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: At twenty minutes after the top of the other. I

1068
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: guess that doctor Henry Johnson, a close friend of O. J. Simpson,

1069
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: we relive in the trial thirty years ago tomorrow that

1070
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: Verdy came down and let me share with you real

1071
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: quickly how we got involved with this as a radio station,

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Speaker 1: our competition to beat that time. Chris Darten, who was

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Speaker 1: on Marsha Clark's team, he would call their show every morning.

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Speaker 1: I can't think his name, John John, whatever his name was.

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Speaker 1: It was a white guy doing the morning show, but

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Speaker 1: it was aimed at the black community. So I told Johnny, said, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: if you can just called just once a week, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it because you know, they usually has a leverage

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Speaker 1: against us because the uh, the radio business then was

1080
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: fierce competition. And John says, now, I'll do better than that.

1081
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: I'll call you every morning. I said, Okay, here's the

1082
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: hotline number. Whatever we're doing, we'll just because he says,

1083
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: I listen every morning, by the way, when I'm exercising

1084
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm up that time at four o'clock in the morning,

1085
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: and so Johnny would call in. So after the right

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: after the verdict came down. The next day, Johnny Conqueror

1087
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: was in our studios. I got to tell the whole

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: operation of the station stopped that day because every every

1089
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Speaker 1: inch of the station, reporters and newspeople from all over

1090
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: the world, we're trying to get there's no business that

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01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: day when he came on, and the following day O

1092
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: Jay came. So it's we were you know, we're monitoring.

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Speaker 1: You know, I did not know how huge this situation

1094
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: is because you know, you're in LA like you are,

1095
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: doctor Johnson, and you just think it's well, it's maybe

1096
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: it's an LA story. But when you told me that,

1097
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: the stock market paused, and then we saw later on

1098
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: at Times Square when when the verdict was red and

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: white people going oh, you know, just just breathless, and

1100
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: then they juxtaposted, which some students and Howard celebrating. It's

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, thirty years ago, man, it was with a

1102
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: different world. So my question to you, do you think

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01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: if if that's try I went on to date, did

1104
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: you think O j would have been found innocent.

1105
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 5: Well, I think that the the black woman majeurs that

1106
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 5: found oh J in a sense held up the integrity

1107
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 5: of the criminal justice system. You know this, this, this

1108
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 5: whole court system was pretty much rigged to affect the

1109
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 5: birth rate of black people. They have used this. This

1110
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 5: the the criminal justice system. You had an escalation of

1111
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 5: the prison population in this country following the Civil War.

1112
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 5: When when the when the thirteenth Amendment was passed. I

1113
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 5: was talking to my father in laws, was a judge

1114
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 5: of Mitsota. I asked him, when did when did you

1115
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 5: see the first rise in the prison population. It came

1116
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 5: following that when the thirteenth Amendment was passed. Okay, well

1117
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 5: you can roll this roll that clock forward. Uh with

1118
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 5: following the OJ Simpson's case, you had another surge in

1119
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 5: the prison population. And the number one group that there

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Speaker 5: were housing in these penitentiaries were black women. Okay. So

1121
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 5: they made a cottage industry out of domestic violence. They

1122
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 5: you know, so they when you the issue of domestic

1123
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 5: violence should be handled before it becomes violent. When you

1124
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 5: identified that there's squabbles in the home, those people should

1125
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 5: be going They should go to constling for anger management.

1126
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 5: They should go to constlting for alcoholism, for drug addiction

1127
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 5: and all that sort of thing. But it ain't about

1128
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 5: settling down uh problems in the in the community, positive

1129
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 5: problems of poor people. It's about incarcerating people because incarceration

1130
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 5: controls the uh, the the the drag on the labor

1131
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 5: market in this in this capitalist society that we live in.

1132
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, it's another discussion, but we

1133
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 5: should consider looking at society in a post capitalistic system

1134
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 5: because capitalism and supremacy are are are in incestuous twins. Okay,

1135
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 5: but they use this criminal justice system to help to

1136
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 5: slow the birth rate of definitely of the brown skinned communities.

1137
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: Right, oh, left, the right there, twenty five out of

1138
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: the top. I got a bunch of tweets from one

1139
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 1: of the tweets wants to know what happened to ac

1140
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: Ol calens ojs pal, what happened to him?

1141
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 12: You know?

1142
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 5: I mean after that?

1143
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 7: Sure, okay, well you know I met oj.

1144
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I excuse me, I met Al Collins on

1145
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 5: a number of occasions. I met him as a matter

1146
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 5: of fact, that my neighbor was Tody Tody Smith, brother

1147
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 5: to Bubba Smith, So I was I had a number

1148
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 5: of athletes in my practice internal Californy. But Ac Collins

1149
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 5: stay true to old JA all the way to the end.

1150
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 5: He was. He was a great friend of Old J.

1151
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 6: And you know Ac.

1152
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 5: They said, well why did o J run? Well, Ac

1153
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 5: was the driver in that in that vehicle. And actually

1154
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 5: what happened that morning was that O J. Simpson knew

1155
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 5: he had to surrender to l A p D. That morning,

1156
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 5: and his designated time this surrender was like eleven thirty

1157
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 5: that morning of the chase. Well, o J decided to

1158
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 5: go to the Great Sight to say a prayer and

1159
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 5: say goodbye to us his ex wife. So when he

1160
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 5: went to the cemetery in Newport, the gates were locked

1161
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 5: and there were two squad cars blocking the gates. So

1162
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 5: Ac went to a payphone and called LA p D.

1163
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 5: And he told him that I have oj uh uh

1164
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 5: and we're in transition for OLJ to surrender. While at

1165
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 5: that eleven thirty, gil Garcetti, who was a disc attorney

1166
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 5: of LA went on the air and said, now OJ

1167
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 5: is a fugitive from justice, and anybody that is helping

1168
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 5: OJ is also aiding and betting and fugitive, and they

1169
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 5: will be charged with a felly and so forth. It's

1170
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 5: on and so AC. They were announcing us on the

1171
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 5: radio can X News. Uh somebody spotted the white Bronco.

1172
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,839
Speaker 5: They called an X and they got the helicopters involved.

1173
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 5: And at that point there was a slow parade up

1174
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 5: the four or five freeway because o J was coming

1175
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 5: home to Sa goodbye to his mother before he would

1176
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 5: turn himself in. So the media, the police, the helicopters

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 5: all that follow OJ back home and they've made this issue.

1178
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 5: Og is on the run, He's trying to get away

1179
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 5: and all this of the garbage. But that was part

1180
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 5: of the media hype. But it was Ac to stay

1181
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 5: with him and drove him back there to segodbye to

1182
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 5: his mother and uh Ac was never arrested. Gogar said,

1183
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 5: He said that you know, whoever's abiding the fugitive is

1184
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 5: is committing a solonious act. They knew that o J

1185
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 5: was turning himself in, but they played it like he

1186
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 5: was a fugitive and all that was part of the

1187
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 5: part of the crap. But Ac stayed by OJ to

1188
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 5: the end. It was Marcus Allen that was having enoughfair

1189
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 5: with with Nicole. He's the one that ducked out and

1190
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 5: would not come back and say, like, you know, Oj

1191
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 5: was not this jealous guy as he was portrayed throughout

1192
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 5: the media, you know, violent, all that, all that more garbage, right, because.

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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: Let me jump in here, because Marcus didn't wanted his

1194
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: wife to know that he was cheating on his wife

1195
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: with Nicole, so that's why he kept quiet. But Jews

1196
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: didn't care. You know, he was over because he But

1197
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, that that that Bronco chase,

1198
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: as you mentioned on the four oh five, how did

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: all those folks? Some people say that it was all

1200
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: a set up because the people were on the freeway

1201
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: off ramps and say, go, oh Jay go, everybody's charing

1202
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: for Juice to get away. And there was a huge

1203
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: crowds all on these off ramps coming from the four

1204
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: oh five, coming down from San Diego, coming back to

1205
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: l A. How did those people know? Some people say

1206
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: that it was set up. We'll say you.

1207
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 5: Well, I'd say so, well. OJ was the king of

1208
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 5: Southern California. He was like the number one pitch man

1209
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 5: in the media. You know, he's Oja basically put Monday

1210
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 5: Night TV on the map. Him and Howard Coach Sell Okay,

1211
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 5: he was one of the first super star athletes that

1212
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 5: got that big money. And you know, football from the

1213
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 5: commitment of you know, the generation of the generations to

1214
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 5: to two generations ago that put football together. It's brought

1215
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 5: football into the mainstream to the point whereby the Super

1216
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,480
Speaker 5: Bowl is actually a national holidays. It's just really celebrated

1217
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 5: around the world. So it just shows you the impact

1218
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 5: that football has on the American culture. And OJ was

1219
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,719
Speaker 5: one of the all time stars of professional football, Monday

1220
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 5: night football. Now you have football on four nights, Monday night,

1221
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 5: Thursday night, Sunday night, and you have college football on

1222
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 5: Saturday and night. So football has become that's that's the

1223
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 5: impact of its football on America. It's one of its

1224
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 5: our national one of our national pastimes, and it's actually

1225
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 5: one of the biggest holidays and one of the biggest

1226
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 5: spending days in you know, in American culture. So I'm

1227
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 5: just showing you that O J was one of the

1228
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 5: heroes that led to the enormous size and impact that

1229
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Speaker 5: football has on our culture today.

1230
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's be real here, Doc at thirty minutes

1231
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: at the top, OJ wasn't noted to be in the

1232
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: black community he wasn't really well. He wasn't you know,

1233
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't down with the brothers, and the brothers you know,

1234
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: went down with him.

1235
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: He wasn't you know.

1236
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: After he left his first wife, a black woman. OJ

1237
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: we acknowledge Oja. Oj was cool. But let me say

1238
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: this though, after he came on the stage, because he

1239
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: and I had to convince him to come on, and

1240
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: I said, listen, oh jay uh, we had some old

1241
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: ladies in the rain look like just like your mother

1242
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: every day at the at the counter courthouse downtown LA,

1243
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: every single day. And he goes, oh, man, you got

1244
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: to go to the Mama thing. I said, yeah, you

1245
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: owed them to tell them. Just come in and tell

1246
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: them thank you. You know, that's all you got to do.

1247
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 8: Man, we did.

1248
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: We don't even gut int the weeds of the trial

1249
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, but you need to tell

1250
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: these black people, especially those those old black ladies, ladies,

1251
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: thank you. He came so I didn't think he would

1252
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: show up, but he did. And it was the morning

1253
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: we had Steve Cochley on was on as our guest.

1254
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: Then Cochley challenged him, inviting him to come to the

1255
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: good life. The good life is a restaurant, a vegetarian

1256
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: restaurant in LA where all uh, many of our folks

1257
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: who come on the radio station, many of our scholars,

1258
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: they go there every Friday and they have a lecture.

1259
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: Cochley was always like a scholar in residence, if you will.

1260
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: And O Jay showed up and that with the black community,

1261
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: and you know, thank that. And you know, he just says,

1262
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you guys for supporting me.

1263
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: So he sort of flipped after the tribe, but explain

1264
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: that to us, J was not really connected, wasn't down

1265
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: with the black community in l A.

1266
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 5: Well, look, Carl, I don't. I don't really. I don't

1267
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 5: really subscribe to that theory. You know, I know OJ personally.

1268
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 5: OJ is a very personable guy. Every and anybody that's

1269
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 5: around O J. They're just totally fascinated with this guy.

1270
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that one too. No, I agree, But I'm.

1271
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 5: Going to I'm going to point something out to you.

1272
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 5: You know, most black celebrities, they're surrounded by white people

1273
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 5: period when they white people adore black celebrity. Okay, so

1274
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 5: black celebrities by and large are not infiltrated infuse into

1275
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 5: the black community. We Obviously we support our actors, our

1276
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 5: athletes and so on and so forth are entertainers, but

1277
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 5: they're not in the community necessarily mixing it up.

1278
01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 13: Okay.

1279
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 5: So I don't subscribe to that theory, but I will

1280
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 5: tell you this that the media has desecrated the the

1281
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 5: the personalities by and large or the images of black

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 5: men across the board from you know, you can go

1283
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 5: all the way back from Malcolm X to Martin Luther King.

1284
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 5: You can bring that thingk forward to O. J. Simpson,

1285
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 5: to Don Kine, to Mike Tyson and Michael Michael Jackson.

1286
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 5: You know, if you just what what black figure is

1287
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 5: held up in esteem and the modern American u uh

1288
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 5: uh media, you can you can hardly you know, you

1289
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 5: you can you can hardly name one. Okay. So that's

1290
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 5: there that they purposely the media, you know, that's the

1291
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 5: that's the treachery of the media. They want to cast

1292
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 5: uh uh aspersions on black individuals. Bill Cosby, you know,

1293
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 5: he's an another one. I mean, Bill ain't done nothing,

1294
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 5: no more than than Hugh Hefner. But Hugh Heffner is

1295
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 5: still a cerebral u celestial star. Okay. So it's like

1296
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 5: this is what they do and this is that it

1297
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 5: is it is they strategize how to break down the

1298
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 5: black persona because black people, black people that are the

1299
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 5: heartbeat of the world. Black Americans. Okay, if the US

1300
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 5: is the one of the strongest nations in the world,

1301
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 5: the more one of the most influential nations in the world.

1302
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 5: Black Americans, we are the heartbeat of America. We are

1303
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 5: the culture of America. America is an Afro Atlantic culture.

1304
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 5: The center of it is is is the east coast

1305
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 5: of on the on the Atlantic between York and d C. Atlanta. Okay,

1306
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 5: so they know they watch every move that we make.

1307
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 5: And that's why we have to have introspection on the

1308
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 5: impact that we have on our own people. Where you know,

1309
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 5: we're to lose with this, uh some of this, some

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01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 5: of this rap music, I don't really consider music. But

1311
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 5: I'm not going to cast dispersions on on on on

1312
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 5: the on the on the on the on the artistic

1313
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 5: style of rapping. But I will say this that our

1314
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 5: modern day artists have to consider the impact that they

1315
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 5: have on their children as well as the uh you know,

1316
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 5: as the committee, where are the John Coltranes of the day,

1317
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 5: Where are the Miles Davis's of the day. Where are

1318
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 5: the Jimmy Smith and Hammer's organ other day? Where are

1319
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 5: the Jimmy Hendrix's of today? You know all of these

1320
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 5: There has been a systematic approach to suppress actual black

1321
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 5: music because black music is so inspirational. I'm gonna say,

1322
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make it. You allow me to make this point.

1323
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 11: You know, the.

1324
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 5: Submit that holds the Black church together is the choir. Okay,

1325
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 5: it is the choir. It is the music of the

1326
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 5: Black Church and the choir. This music has its roots

1327
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 5: in West Africa, all right. There's nothing coming out of

1328
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 5: the soul called Holy Land that deals.

1329
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 1: With right and hold that thought right there at doctor Johnson,

1330
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: We've got to step aside and get caught up with

1331
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 1: the lady's news trafficking weather again since you mentioned that,

1332
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: Just a happy Black History Month to our brothers and

1333
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: sisters in the UK. They celebrate Black History Month in October.

1334
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: Of course, they started yesterday. They're going to be celebrating

1335
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: the entire month. We're discussing that the jury verdict has

1336
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: heard around the world thirty years ago tomorrow, O. J. Simpson, Innocent,

1337
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four five zero

1338
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. You calls next after the and

1339
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: grand Rising family sixteen minutes away from the top of

1340
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 1: that with that guess, doctor Henry Johnson. Doctor Johnson is

1341
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: a close friend of o J. Simpson. Thirty years ago tomorrow,

1342
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: this is when the verdict came down, when the panel

1343
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: found that OJ was innocent of the murders of Ron

1344
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: Goleman and Nicole. And the question is, you know, what

1345
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Why was the country so divided? Could

1346
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: it happen again? And you know, doctor Johnson has taken

1347
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: us through some of the some of the discrepancies during

1348
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: that trial that were never brought to the trial. The

1349
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: juror did not hear the trial. So what are your thoughts?

1350
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

1351
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: also come up Later this momorrow, we're going to speak

1352
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: with clinical psychologist doctor Jeromy Fox. Maybe we'll ask him

1353
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: the question why country was divided on that particular issue

1354
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: OJ's innocence or guilt. And some people still think that

1355
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: o JA committed those murders, even though doctor Johnson had

1356
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: shared with there's a whole lot of discrepancies during that

1357
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: trial and some as I mentioned, the juror did not

1358
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: even see. And again Tomorrow's Friday, We're going to give

1359
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: you another chance to free your mind on our open

1360
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: Phone Friday program. All that means is just for yourself

1361
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: and you know, reach out to us as Stunn at

1362
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: six am Eastern Time right here in Baltimore on ten

1363
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: ten WLB, also on the DMV on FM ninety five

1364
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL. So doctor Johnson

1365
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: man too, he's called from New York City, has a

1366
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: question for each online three grand rising brother man to

1367
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: your question for doctor Johnson.

1368
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 10: Yes, I'll make it real quick, grand rise into everyone.

1369
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 10: Hotel of Aragani freeda line of free the African mind.

1370
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 5: Sir.

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01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 10: There was a I think there was a thing with

1372
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 10: the labor shooting at the lab during the time or

1373
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,759
Speaker 10: the year of the OJ trial. Is that urban legend

1374
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 10: that four lab technicians or there was the some type

1375
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 10: of four government workers were shot at the fatally shot

1376
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 10: unfortunately in the building where the LA Lab was crime lab?

1377
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 10: Is that truth of urban fiction? And then secondly, real quick,

1378
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 10: what was OJ's Simpsons relationship with Willie May Is the

1379
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 10: great will mean if you have any insight on that.

1380
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 5: I can't really say if if there was violencer, there

1381
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 5: was killing at the l A p D Crime Lab.

1382
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 5: I I this is the first time I've heard this.

1383
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 5: All I can tell you is that there was a

1384
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 5: number of deaths of INDUSD individuals that were somehow either

1385
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 5: closely or distantly connected to the Trial of the Century.

1386
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 5: There was UH, and there were three folks that were

1387
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 5: killed in Florida. There was also, as I mentioned earlier,

1388
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 5: Michael nick won the the lead wars at the Messalona

1389
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,440
Speaker 5: was killed during three weeks before he was to testified

1390
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,879
Speaker 5: in the trial. So you know, there are there's obviously

1391
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 5: the entire UH investigation was a cover up.

1392
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1393
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 5: There, I'm shirt and that there are facts that point

1394
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 5: to actually the people that actually did this and people

1395
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 5: that know about it. It's like a phenomena that happens,

1396
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 5: one of these mysterious phenomenas that happened in America, like

1397
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 5: the kin the assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald. Was he

1398
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 5: the guy or was James Alday the actual guy that

1399
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 5: killed martlu the King? You know hot did the towers

1400
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 5: in New York collapse?

1401
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 7: You know?

1402
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 5: Did this guy tried to Kirk was he killed by

1403
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 5: a twenty two year old marksmen on top of a roof?

1404
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 5: I mean, we're you know, there's there's always these these

1405
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 5: issues that question the events in it that go on

1406
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 5: in America, and definitely one involving O J. Simpson. There

1407
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 5: was there were two killers that did this. The more

1408
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 5: lethal was left handed. Now that is the clinical assessment.

1409
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 5: I thirty doctors looked at my work and they all

1410
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 5: concur that, you know, I left he did this. I

1411
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 5: have never been refuted. And that's one reason that O

1412
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 5: J kept me, kept me close because I came with

1413
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 5: information that basically exonerates OJ. But OJ was, he was,

1414
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 5: he was beat down and and it was and it

1415
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 5: was they they attacked him financially, you know, they attacked him,

1416
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 5: uh spiritually, they attacked his reputation, you know. So you know,

1417
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 5: the guy carried a whole lot of weight. I called

1418
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 5: him like I call it the American and the American crucifixion.

1419
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 5: But o J actually was emblematic of what happens to

1420
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 5: blacks by and large in the criminal justice system. Oh

1421
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 5: J just had the money to fight these devils. Okay,

1422
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 5: so we can we can, we can praise God that

1423
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 5: old Jay gave us the likes of Johnny Cochran and Jay.

1424
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 5: He allowed Johnny Cocker to be on that up on

1425
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 5: that center stage by virtue of playing his money up

1426
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 5: too uh to defend himself. Because if Old Jay didn't

1427
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 5: have uh the well said he had, he would have

1428
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 5: had to take a deal. He would have been in

1429
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 5: the bottom of San Quentin.

1430
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

1431
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 5: So when people say, well the guy ran back to

1432
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 5: the black community blah blah blah when he got in trouble,

1433
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 5: No he did, and he ran to his bank, he

1434
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 5: got his money, He handled his business. He matched them

1435
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 5: dollar for dollar. Okay, he matched the deep pockets of

1436
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 5: the government. And he put the star up there, the

1437
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 5: captain up there, Johnny Cochran and Johnny Cochran handled his business.

1438
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 5: But Johnny Cochran had to had to hold his mond.

1439
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 5: Johnny Cochran had to keep it secret because lawyers have

1440
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 5: to make deals all the time, so Johnny could not

1441
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 5: expose the phone records. But what Johnny wagered was, look,

1442
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 5: you gotta give me Geronimo Pratt. You want me to

1443
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 5: be quiet, I'll be quiet on this. So I gotta

1444
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 5: gamble with O. J. Simpson. I gotta be quiet on

1445
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 5: his phone records because I got to get my man

1446
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 5: Geronimo Pratt release that also went on a sick pitious

1447
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 5: charge of murder. They knew he didn't do it, and

1448
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 5: ultimately Johnny Cochrane freed Geronimo Pratt pretty much following O. J.

1449
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 5: Simpson's case.

1450
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that connection. You're right about Ojink.

1451
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: I got to make him after the decision, and you're right.

1452
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: He's like, he's just a down brother alfable, he's a

1453
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: you know people, he's just friendly. But let me ask

1454
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: you this question though. Actually it's a question that came

1455
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: in from one of our listeners who says, the question

1456
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: of a Russian satellite that offered them a satellite picture

1457
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: of the area I guess that would be Brentwood where

1458
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: this took place, but the prosecution rejected it. Do you

1459
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: do you recall that at all?

1460
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 13: No?

1461
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 5: No, I Yeah, Like I said, I'm sure there's a

1462
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 5: lot of evidence status that they have a narrative. Okay,

1463
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 5: they use this narrative for political coinage, Okay, because they

1464
01:26:56,200 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 5: wanted to diminish the impact that black society has on America. Okay,

1465
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 5: that's how we got in the political situation that we're

1466
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 5: in today because we from the civil rights movement, with

1467
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 5: the advent of with the effect of professional sports and music.

1468
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 5: I mean, the melting pot was was the pot was,

1469
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 5: it was was turning, it was speeding up, and black

1470
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 5: people have a positive influence on society. They needed to

1471
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 5: mix that, they needed to stop that because ultimately, when

1472
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 5: we had to deal with the quality of life for everybody,

1473
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 5: and black people have always been there, you know, well morally, okay, consciously,

1474
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 5: we have been the cornerstone of American society. And so

1475
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 5: I just say this to say that they uses o

1476
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 5: J trial to polarize racial groups and they stir up

1477
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 5: this animosity amongst white groups, and Jews are part of it.

1478
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 5: When you can't leave them out, man. And so I'm

1479
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 5: just here to tell you that we have to be

1480
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 5: truthful and we can't be scared to tell the truth.

1481
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 5: You know, the truth really will set you free. You

1482
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 5: know that's john eight thirty two, same number as oj

1483
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 5: is something. The truth will will set you free.

1484
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: Okay, And hold's thought right there. Let me share something

1485
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: with you. I'm not sure if you know that, but

1486
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: Johnny did not. Actually I'm the honest when and OJ

1487
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: came to to take the case. Did he didn't take it?

1488
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: He told me he went to his pastor at Second

1489
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 1: Avenue Baptist Church in la He says, I had to

1490
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: go to my pastor and you know, and asking me,

1491
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, because all all the stories going around with

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01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: OJ did it, and people were already made up their

1493
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: minds that he was, that OJ was guilty. So he

1494
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: said he had a conversation with his pastor before deciding

1495
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 1: that not to take the case because he saw the

1496
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: enormity of what he was going to take to get

1497
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: OJ off. And many people don't know that, but he

1498
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 1: shared that with us in our audience when he was

1499
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: when he would call in. Here's another thing that we

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01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: talked about too. One of the one of the trials

1501
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: going on doc, he went up to Chris Darden and

1502
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: he says they were getting hammered that day. So he

1503
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: went up to Chris Darden and said, hey man, nice tie.

1504
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: And he threw Darden off his track because Darden was

1505
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: like Johnny Cochran just complimented about my tie. Here we

1506
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: are with this trial and he's talking about my tiny

1507
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: He kept looking at the tyler. He couldn't finish finish

1508
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: his cross examination. So Marshall had to finish the cross examination.

1509
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: So the next day we asked Johnny about that. He says, yeah, man,

1510
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: they were killing us. I just needed some time out,

1511
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: run out of the clock. I know he'd be distorted

1512
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: about about his tie, because you know, everybody knows that

1513
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: Johnny was an impeccable dresser. I mean he was a

1514
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: straight up one of the one of the things about

1515
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: the wholemarks of Johnny Cock and he did not see

1516
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: his legal skills, but how he dressed and he was

1517
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: he blew him away because he kept saying, Donny cochrane

1518
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: complimented on my tie. He kept looking at the time

1519
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was it. In this time,

1520
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: they just got on the Johnny was admiring exist and Josh,

1521
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't care about his time. I just wanted to

1522
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 1: stop his tracks because he was he was doing some

1523
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 1: stuff that we didn't know and we had to just

1524
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: run out of the clock. And we're going to get

1525
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 1: him today, we'll go back into court. That was an

1526
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: interesting part of what happened during the trial. Doc.

1527
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I would I will say this, you know

1528
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 5: when I I wrote the like I said, OJ's petition

1529
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 5: to the California Supreme Court. Okay, the I got an

1530
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 5: invitation to give all argument at OJ's appeal. When they

1531
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 5: learned what I was going to say, they blocked me

1532
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 5: from giving all argument. Okay. So following OJ's appeal, I uh,

1533
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 5: they sent me a certified copy of the three judges

1534
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 5: ruling to sustain the thirty three million dollars verdict against

1535
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 5: o J. Okay, and o J I told. I called OJ.

1536
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 5: I said he was in Miami. I said, you know

1537
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 5: they they upheld the verdict. You owe the money? And

1538
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 5: he said I had heard it. So I said, well,

1539
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 5: I'll send you. I'll overnight you a copy of the

1540
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 5: of the the Pillow Courts verdict. So I shot that

1541
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 5: to him, and then o J says he heard from

1542
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 5: his lawyers. They told me to I might as well

1543
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 5: forget it. I'll never win anything. You got your pension,

1544
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 5: you got your family back. Just go ahead and give

1545
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 5: your you know, just go ahead and live out your

1546
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 5: life and stop fighting. And OJ asked me, he says,

1547
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 5: what do you think I should do? And I said, OJ,

1548
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 5: I said, you should continue to fight to clear your name.

1549
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 5: I said, you could potentially help other men that didn't

1550
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 5: have the financial wherewith all to fight their cases, and

1551
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 5: you can expose the corruption and the criminal justice system.

1552
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 5: And I said, well, I want to fight, but I'm

1553
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 5: tapped out. I said, well, let me see what I

1554
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 5: could do. And I read the sixty five page verdict

1555
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 5: of the Appellate Court and there was one paragraph that

1556
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 5: I didn't truly understand, but I wrote that on an

1557
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 5: index card and walked around with it for a week,

1558
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 5: and then I was laying in the bathtub one night

1559
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 5: and it came to me, bam, and I went to

1560
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 5: my desk and I started writing it. And that paragraph

1561
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 5: is a paragraph that protects of the Crookeet cops and

1562
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 5: confidential informant and I busted it. And so when I

1563
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 5: put that, I put that brief together and the Supreme

1564
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 5: Court accepted it okay. And at that point there was

1565
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 5: a group called brown Bonsteal in Hate. They are the

1566
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 5: largest certified law specialists in the country. They filed a

1567
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 5: front of the court on top of the Supreme Court

1568
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 5: petition that I filed. Brown Bone Still I called him

1569
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 5: up and they told me. They said Johnny Cochrane came

1570
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 5: to them and asked them to write old Jay's petitions.

1571
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 5: They want it or they want actually they wanted Johnny

1572
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 5: Cochran went to Brown and Bone Still to write OL

1573
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 5: Jay's appeal and they were big. They said they got

1574
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 5: they don't need the publicity. They got too much on

1575
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 5: their plate.

1576
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: And they say, right, the story right there. I let

1577
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: you finish that story when we get back. We've got

1578
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: to take another look at the traffic and weather in

1579
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: that different cities. It's free away from the top of

1580
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: a half family guess is Henry Johnson a close friend

1581
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 1: of O. J. Simpson. Tomorrow is the thirtieth anniversary of

1582
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: the jury decision that was heard around the world finding

1583
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: OJ innocence of those murders. What are your thoughts? Eight

1584
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: hundred and four to five zero seventy eight seventy six

1585
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: calls after the trafficking weather that's next and grind rising

1586
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: family in thanks are starting your Thursday with us and

1587
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: our guest that doctor Henry Johnson's calling is from LA.

1588
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: Doctor Johnson's a close friend of O. J. Simpson. And

1589
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Tomorrow in thirty years is the day when the verdict

1590
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: was announced that OJ was innocent of the murder the

1591
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: double murders that out in Westwood. So and coming up shortly,

1592
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: let me just mention that doctor Fox is on deck.

1593
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Will get to doctor Fox Momentaril. But uh, doctor Johnson,

1594
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: L had to finish your thought. And then a question,

1595
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: Carla has a question about Willie may Is helping O

1596
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: Jay during the trial. Did you know about that because

1597
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: there were friends will He of course playing for the

1598
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: Giants in San Francisco, and that's where OJ came from,

1599
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco, That's where he came on the radar of

1600
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: USC before it became most folks knew him. So I'd

1601
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: like to finished your thought and then tell says it

1602
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: was really made because OJ told me personally, a lot

1603
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: of his friends dropped him, you know, after he was

1604
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: after after the trial started, before when he was accused,

1605
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 1: a lot of his close friends they stopped speaking to them,

1606
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: especially his white friends. That's what he told me.

1607
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 5: But go ahead, Yeah, well I like Brown Bond still

1608
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 5: and hey, Johnny cancer went the ass. That was his

1609
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 5: first choice to write Old Jason Pills of Santa Monica verdict.

1610
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 5: They said, we you know, we're too busy, we can't

1611
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 5: handle it. But after they read my petition that I

1612
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 5: wrote to the Supreme court. Now, I'm not a lawyer.

1613
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 5: I'm just an investigator on board certified in internal medicine.

1614
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 5: But I reviewed the case. There's two killers. Nicole Brown

1615
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 5: and her mother spoke on the phone after midnight when

1616
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 5: OJ was on his way to Chicago way. They hit

1617
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 5: all that evidence, but.

1618
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,799
Speaker 6: They the this big.

1619
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 5: Certified law firm, They said that they would. They wrote

1620
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 5: a Friend of the Court brief. They attached it to

1621
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 5: my petition and they told me that they would pick

1622
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 5: up OJ's legal fight. And I mentioned that to Oji,

1623
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 5: but he said he was just By this time, the

1624
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 5: petition had already been submitted into a court. But Johnny

1625
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 5: Cochrane had gone to after he went to Bone Steel,

1626
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,759
Speaker 5: he went to the Bacon Brothers. Okay, and the Bakers

1627
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 5: are the ones that did oh Ja's appeal of Santa

1628
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 5: Monica vertic and incidentally, Joyce Speiser that investigated that was

1629
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 5: with us when my me and my brother met with

1630
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 5: Glenn Rogers' brother. She took a photograph of n Cole

1631
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 5: Brown and Glenn Rogers, who were partying at the House

1632
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 5: of Blues the night before she died. She took that

1633
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 5: photo to the Bakers. Okay, that did o Jay's appeal

1634
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 5: of the Santa Monica verdict. And you know, she told

1635
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 5: me that she gave that picture. She went back after

1636
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 5: the verdict was over and she asked them for that

1637
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 5: picture back because she wanted to include it in her book.

1638
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,719
Speaker 5: And she told me that the Bakers had lost that picture.

1639
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 5: So here's a picture of Nicole Brown Simpson with this

1640
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 5: serial killer that she was dating, this left handed serial killer. Okay,

1641
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 5: and LAPD didn't want nothing to do with it because

1642
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 5: Glenn Rogers is a conventional It is a confidential informant

1643
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 5: that worked with law enforcement across the United States. Okay,

1644
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 5: So that's how embedded this guy is with the O

1645
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 5: J hold O J. Simpson trial. But back to Willie Mays.

1646
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 5: Willie Mays was O J. Simpson's godfather.

1647
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 3: Okay.

1648
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 5: Willie Mays by launch, kept OJ on the straight and

1649
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 5: narrow as a Pop Warner football athlete all the way

1650
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 5: through high school and on to UH to UH to

1651
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:41,480
Speaker 5: UH Community College. Okay, so they had an intimate relationship.

1652
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 5: I want. I want to also add that when OJ

1653
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 5: was acquitted, O j Uh and his kids and his sister,

1654
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 5: they went to Never Never Land Ranch with Michael Jackson

1655
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 5: and camped out with Michael Jackson for about a month.

1656
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 5: So Michael Jackson opened his home up oj and his

1657
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 5: family for oj state out there with Michael Jackson for

1658
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 5: over a month. The last thing I want to mention

1659
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 5: is Ojay's friends and colleagues and so forth kind of

1660
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 5: moved away from Well. The media was against them, the

1661
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,600
Speaker 5: entertainment established was against them. The Jewish society by and

1662
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 5: large was against them. I want to say this, if

1663
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 5: you're afraid to tell the truth, you are still a slave.

1664
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter how much money you make. If you're

1665
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 5: afraid to stand up for the truth, you're still a slave, okay.

1666
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 5: And the way this world works is like you got

1667
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 5: to get involved with these slave catchers in order for

1668
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 5: you to make a living. And so that's why a

1669
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 5: lot of people stand down. I'm an independent guy, so

1670
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 5: I you know, I'm etcric okay, but I'm not. I

1671
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 5: have the I do have fear, okay, but I have

1672
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 5: a courage to get the job done. I'm going to

1673
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 5: tell the truth.

1674
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 1: We're stuffing that because we run out of time, Doc,

1675
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: and I apologize to all the folks who sent me

1676
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: questions for you, because we could go on and on

1677
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: about the oj trial and again thirty years tomorrow when

1678
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: that's when you the media is going to deal with it.

1679
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 1: So we thought we'd deal with the day before the

1680
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 1: thirty days here the trial of the century, when the

1681
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,640
Speaker 1: jury found that Oja was innocent, and they tried to

1682
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: blame it on jury nullifications, saying the sisters would not

1683
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: find oj guilty and you know, trying to discredit the

1684
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: legal skills of Johnny Conchrane. But before I let you go,

1685
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you got two books out. How can

1686
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: folks get copies of those books that wanted because a

1687
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 1: lot of people are still obsessed with that trial, so

1688
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: how can they reach you? You get the copies of

1689
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: the books, you have a website or email address?

1690
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 5: Well, you know the truth is Alfred the Omega. My

1691
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 5: name is doctor Henry Johnson, m D. I mean I'm

1692
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 5: based in California and Los Angeles, lom Beach. You can

1693
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 5: you can can google me, you can find me. I

1694
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 5: can get you a copy of the book, or you

1695
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 5: can go to Amazon in order of the book. And

1696
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 5: don't forget Serpents Rising the documentary and lastly my brother's

1697
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 5: book in Pursuit of Exhibit thirty five.

1698
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 3: Cal.

1699
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:20,639
Speaker 5: I want to congratulate you. You're a pillar in the community,

1700
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 5: the Black community of America buy and large.

1701
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 3: Man.

1702
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 5: It takes guys that have the intestinal fortitude, you know,

1703
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 5: to continue to fight year one of them.

1704
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just bring people on that. That's my job.

1705
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 1: And we had you on back in the day during

1706
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: the trial. And thank you because you've steadfast and stood

1707
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: by Oja all this through, you know, and some other

1708
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: conversation we'll have maybe later at some time. Why do

1709
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 1: you go back to Vegas? Because I'm run into him

1710
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: in Miami on Miami Beach and it was just a

1711
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 1: half a one his I I forgot to play golf

1712
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, and I thought he

1713
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 1: was happy in Florida, and then all of a sudden

1714
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: he goes back to you know, But that's for another day.

1715
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: We get into that. But doctor Johns, and I want

1716
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: to thank you for joining.

1717
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 3: Us this morning.

1718
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 5: I just make this point, man, when they got a

1719
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 5: when they got a target on your back, you know

1720
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 5: they're they're coming to get you, man, But we can't

1721
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 5: stop the fight. Remember they pop mar lista Ken, they

1722
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,560
Speaker 5: kill Malcolm X. I mean, oh j Was is a

1723
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 5: celebrity he represents, and you know there was there was

1724
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 5: a there was a target on his back. You're not

1725
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 5: gonna You're not gonna avoid that, but just continue to fight.

1726
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 5: Hold the front line. We got to tell the truth.

1727
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 5: That's our greatest weapon. Our morals are conscious, our intuition

1728
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 5: and our truth run with that every day.

1729
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 3: Got it. Doc?

1730
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for sharing your thoughts this morning.

1731
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:41,719
Speaker 1: All right, family, appreciate, thank you. That's doctor Henry Johnson,

1732
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, a close friend of o jam We

1733
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: were just roll over that trial when he took place.

1734
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 1: I mentioned he was one of the folks that would

1735
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: call up and give us all this information, along with

1736
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Johnny Cochran joined the trial anyway, ten and a half

1737
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: that top day. Let's turn attention out to doctor Jeroni

1738
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Fox and doctor Fox grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

1739
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 9: Yes, thank you for having me and not.

1740
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: To function Piggy, just getting, you know, stretching a little

1741
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: bit over the conversation we had with doctor Johnson about

1742
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 1: the Oja trial. Tomorrow's the thirtieth anniversary of the jury

1743
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: reaching the verdict that Oja was innocent, and I'm sure

1744
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: he remember to the trial, but it seems to be

1745
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 1: it's divided the It divided the country at the time,

1746
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: and I mentioned that they showed in Times Square, that

1747
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 1: they showed white folks in Times Square when the verdict

1748
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 1: was read. You seem like everybody was playing attention to

1749
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: the tellision when the verdict was read across this country

1750
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: and the gas, the gas were coming from white folks

1751
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 1: when they heard the verdict that Oja was innocent. And

1752
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: then they had a group of Howard University students they

1753
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: juxtapposed at it and they were celebrating. How did you

1754
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 1: see that? How did cold you? Can you process that

1755
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: for us? Because they're trying to tell us that it

1756
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 1: was during notullifications, that the jurors mostly black women, they

1757
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: were on educated int know, the sophisticated of the science,

1758
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't put a brother down and all of

1759
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: that nonsense, that it was its time for us to

1760
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,680
Speaker 1: win one for the system. How did you process all

1761
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: of that when you saw that?

1762
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 9: Well, I have to say I was not obsessed with

1763
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 9: the trial at all. The from what I was, you know,

1764
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 9: kind of peripherally, what I peripherally gathered is is that

1765
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 9: this whole controversy was just steeped in the usual racial troops.

1766
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 9: I was never a fan of oj My Lingering. Thought

1767
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 9: about him sin making a statement that he thought he

1768
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 9: was born in the wrong body, that he should have

1769
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 9: been born white, and people like that, I just kind

1770
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 9: of dismiss And of course I'm not a worshiper of

1771
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 9: any of these so called black celebrities, which really white

1772
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 9: society picks for us. They tried to tell who we

1773
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 9: should be friends with, who we should admire, and we

1774
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 9: just say yes, sir, and do that. But so he

1775
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 9: was never really a person of any significance in my mind. However,

1776
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 9: you could not avoid the all of the talk about

1777
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 9: the trial, and all of that talk seemed to me

1778
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 9: to be immersed in the usual, you know, tropes about

1779
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 9: black people and us not having the skill or the

1780
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 9: intellect to do what MATHSA wants us to do. Quite frankly,

1781
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 9: whether he was guilty or not guilty, he didn't seem

1782
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:50,919
Speaker 9: to me to be all that important, uh, in terms

1783
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 9: of people's reactions to the verdict, particularly as you mentioned,

1784
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 9: the divide between blacks and whites. That's the typical divide.

1785
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:08,799
Speaker 9: Whites have been getting away with murdering black people, lynching

1786
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 9: black people for years and had become accustomed to them

1787
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 9: being able to just you know, kill black people, not

1788
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 9: respect black life, but us never being able to do

1789
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 9: the same to them. So I think a lot of

1790
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 9: the black people's reactions once again, whether or not they

1791
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 9: thought he was guilty or not, was really speak more

1792
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 9: in that than the fact that here we once get

1793
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 9: away with, you know, if indeed he did do it,

1794
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 9: you know, killing a white person, almost as retribution for

1795
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 9: all all of the black people that whites have killed,

1796
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 9: the innocent black people that whites have. So I think

1797
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 9: it was just steeped in a lot of historical and

1798
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 9: a lot of history, and a lot of people's reactions

1799
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 9: really had nothing to do with the verdict quite Franklin.

1800
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Well I asked about another incident that took place took

1801
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: place this week or was it last week? Asada Corp.

1802
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,839
Speaker 1: She died in Cuba and many of the black community

1803
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: was celebrating that. FBI Director Cash Betel says, we shouldn't

1804
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: be celebrating. She's a murder. We should not telling us

1805
01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 1: who we He's trying to tell us who we should

1806
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: support and who we shouldn't support exactly.

1807
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 9: And I'm always pleased to see black people.

1808
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 5: Not following the.

1809
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 9: White racist instructions about who we should support and who

1810
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:58,560
Speaker 9: we shouldn't. As I said my book, that power is

1811
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 9: not into personal. It's really intra psychic. You have the

1812
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 9: power to decide what you want to do with your life.

1813
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 14: Uh.

1814
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 9: Influence is different, that is interpersonal. But even there you

1815
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 9: decide who who you will will allow to influence you.

1816
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

1817
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 9: We we have been robbed of that knowledge and we

1818
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 9: just go along with whatever we're instructed to do or

1819
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,799
Speaker 9: to think. As I've said many times before, we hardly

1820
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 9: have an independent thought of our own. We rely on

1821
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 9: these on our pressors to give us everything, healthcare and

1822
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 9: even our thoughts, and that that's quite unfortunate. So yeah,

1823
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 9: we shouldn't even pay that aim, and particularly coming from

1824
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 9: someone like that who's just a uh an avowed UH race.

1825
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 9: Just as all of those cabinet members, even the ones

1826
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 9: of color, they are self hating. So we can't respect

1827
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 9: anything that they say.

1828
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: You know, interesting, you mentioned we don't have any any

1829
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 1: I know, you don't minus a blanket statement. We say,

1830
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: many of us don't have independent thoughts of our own.

1831
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,560
Speaker 1: How do we how do we tackle that? And we

1832
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: come up on a break and I let you respond

1833
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: when we get back from the break, though, doctor Fox,

1834
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 1: how do we change that? Because you're right, people think

1835
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 1: for us and people do we think of our friends?

1836
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: Tell us and we don't investigate, We don't do any

1837
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 1: research on the issues. Again, not blanket, but many of

1838
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: us don't do that. We just somebody tells you that

1839
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 1: this person is AOL and you agree and you pass

1840
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: it on, and but you don't and the person might

1841
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 1: be the nicest person in the world. So tell us,

1842
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: how do we deal with that? And when we get

1843
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: back from the break seventeen minutes to have the top

1844
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 1: day our family. You got a question for our guests

1845
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: to doctor Jeromey Fox. Reach out to us it eight

1846
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

1847
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 1: take you phone calls next with us with that guest

1848
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 1: that dtor Jeremy Fox is the author of the best

1849
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: selling workbook Addicted to White The Oppressed in League with

1850
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: the Oppressor, a shame based alliance. Doctor Fox is there

1851
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: are five core white values that many of us are

1852
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: addicted to. But doctor Fox, before we get all of that,

1853
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 1: you mentioned that many of us, you know, we don't

1854
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 1: have independent thoughts we we seem to rely on other

1855
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: people for opinions.

1856
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 9: Why well, there perhaps are several reasons. Laziness cognitive indolence

1857
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 9: as it is referred to indolence is just laziness. Cognitive

1858
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 9: indolence is one factor. Fear and money slash survival. You know,

1859
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 9: white don't want us to have any independent thoughts, as

1860
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 9: I say in my workbook, So if I can turn

1861
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 9: to it, we make a We've made a pack with

1862
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 9: our oppressors that you know, as they'll allow us to survive,

1863
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 9: maybe in some cases, do better than survive, if as

1864
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 9: long as we submit our souls to them, you know,

1865
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 9: our independence to them. And where will they We have

1866
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 9: been willing in the past to strike that bargain with them.

1867
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 9: We think it's a bargain. And maybe in some cases

1868
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,759
Speaker 9: it looked like we didn't have any other choice except

1869
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 9: except to accept that or die. And even though as

1870
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 9: I said many times, we tout the old spiritual before

1871
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 9: I be a slave, I be buried in my grave,

1872
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,680
Speaker 9: we don't really believe that. And we understand or we

1873
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 9: certainly don't live up to that. Uh as I say

1874
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 9: in the book and the Chamber of Fear. So fear

1875
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 9: is a factor. A version of the infamous faust exchange

1876
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:20,600
Speaker 9: is made between us and our white oppressors. White oppressors

1877
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 9: agree not to take the physical life of Africans in

1878
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 9: exchange for our mental life. So you know, we say

1879
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:36,480
Speaker 9: okay uh to that, and they even you know, select

1880
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 9: a few of us, like O. J. Simpson uh to

1881
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 9: be poster children for you know, for white supremacy, and

1882
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 9: of course they go along with that hook line and sinker.

1883
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 9: You think of the people that have no capacity to see,

1884
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 9: since we're talking athletics black athletes as nothing more than

1885
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 9: America's gladiators. They just don't even have the capacity to

1886
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 9: think in those terms. Because we've been trained, number one,

1887
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 9: to value entertainment above everything else, including our own independence

1888
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 9: and struggle for that independence. We'd rather sit at home

1889
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 9: and watch a ball game than go out and join

1890
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:31,599
Speaker 9: a protest or inform ourselves or even educate our children

1891
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 9: as to our history and the seriousness of our of

1892
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 9: our pressure and.

1893
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:38,320
Speaker 5: What to do about it.

1894
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 9: So, I mean, these people, these gladiators, have been put

1895
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 9: before us to entertain us, but also to mollify us

1896
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 9: so that we don't think about the things that we

1897
01:52:54,720 --> 01:53:01,440
Speaker 9: ought to be thinking. About in terms of securing our liberation.

1898
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 9: So I mean, so you know, you know, money and

1899
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 9: survival is a factor. And as a result of that exchange,

1900
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 9: that faustian exchange that we've been made with our press,

1901
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 9: is we dumb down, that we we sort of numb

1902
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 9: our our our soul to the point where we become lazy.

1903
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 9: We just lazily cognitive cognitively lazy. We just accept whatever

1904
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:37,559
Speaker 9: is given to us and don't even try to extend

1905
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 9: any kind of effort and energy and opposing, Uh, these

1906
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 9: ideas that are given to us. And then there's the

1907
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 9: fear if you are independent, as I think the brother

1908
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 9: mentioned before me, Look what happens. Uh, you're pretty because

1909
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 9: we don't. We're not united enough to protect the independent

1910
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 9: thinkers among us. They are picked off very easily by

1911
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 9: our enemy. So those are the factors that keep us bound.

1912
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 1: Twenty five toye, let me ask you this. So those factors,

1913
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 1: these are some vestiges of are the period of enslavement?

1914
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Are we suffering some of us from some post somatic

1915
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Speaker 1: slavery syndrome?

1916
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Speaker 9: Yes, this is all you know, This has all been

1917
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 9: cultivated by our experience of being captive under these white

1918
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 9: monsters for remember, hundreds of years, So you don't escape

1919
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 9: that kind of mind conditioning, hundreds of years of mind conditioning,

1920
01:54:56,920 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 9: implanting fear through you know, killing you on the drop.

1921
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 9: If you look at the white person the wrong way,

1922
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 9: they could kill you. If you sash them in quotes

1923
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 9: in any way, they could kill you. So you just

1924
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 9: don't throw off that kind of conditioning, you know, instantly.

1925
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 9: That's why I believe we need something like this workbook

1926
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 9: that I've written, and that's why I wrote it, which

1927
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 9: concentrates on correcting the damage that's done to our minds,

1928
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 9: because it's all starts there. That's why we can't unify.

1929
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 9: That's why we can't do anything but except their nonsense.

1930
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Speaker 9: It's because of the condition of our brains. And until

1931
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 9: we address that, put everything else aside, in my opinion,

1932
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 9: to address that, oh, we're only going to have minimals scattered,

1933
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 9: you know, successes for a few people.

1934
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Speaker 1: But how can we address that though if we don't

1935
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: know that we're there, we're still we don't know that,

1936
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 1: we don't know what we don't know.

1937
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Speaker 9: Let me put it that, well, well, that's true, and

1938
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 9: and that's why I use the analogy of an addict.

1939
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,800
Speaker 9: I say we're addicted because the addicted person initially does

1940
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 9: not know how serious their chemical dependency is. Be it

1941
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 9: a liquid like alcohol, are so called harder drugs, the

1942
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 9: attic does sink. The chemically dependent person does not know uh,

1943
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 9: the seriousness of their condition until somebody approaches them and

1944
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 9: begins to explain, begins to point out all the things

1945
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Speaker 9: that they are, all of the problems that their addiction

1946
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 9: is creating in their life. And you know, that's why

1947
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 9: people like you are really important. Uh. Air waves unlike

1948
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 9: this are important to try to convince people that, indeed,

1949
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 9: this is the problem. I think people have even to

1950
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 9: some degree become inured or accustomed to their poverty, poverty

1951
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 9: of thoughts, pity, poverty of materials.

1952
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Speaker 13: Uh.

1953
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Speaker 9: We've adapted human beings. All human beings are very adaptable,

1954
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:40,840
Speaker 9: and you can become. In my family, I have mentioned

1955
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 9: this before. We used to have a saying that black folk,

1956
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 9: and my elders didn't use the term black folk. They

1957
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 9: used to term the the N word. Can become accustomed

1958
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 9: to anything, including hanging if we hang long long enough,

1959
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 9: and that kind of left and ands on my mind,

1960
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 9: on my young mind. That and as I grew older,

1961
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 9: I could see there's a lot of truth in that.

1962
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:15,040
Speaker 9: And as I studied, you know, became a behavioral social scientist,

1963
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 9: it was confirmed just how adaptable the human spirit is,

1964
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 9: so we can adapt to pretty much anything, and unfortunately,

1965
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 9: we have adapted to our own oppression in many ways.

1966
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty minutes, I have the top day and doctor

1967
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: Wilson says, we're not trying to fight or dismantle the

1968
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,600
Speaker 1: system of racis and white supremacy. Many of us are

1969
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 1: just looking for a better spot in the systems.

1970
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 9: As I say in my book, we're not trying to

1971
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 9: fight the oppressor. We want to become the oppressor. And

1972
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 9: you know, but you need those voices in your ears,

1973
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 9: just like the chemically addicted person needs. It's a voice

1974
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 9: in their ears constantly saying, hey, look at the problems

1975
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 9: that that your life has as a result of your addiction.

1976
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:16,919
Speaker 9: And so that's how you penetrate that wall of denial

1977
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 9: or just ignorance to themselves by constantly pointing out, hey, look, uh,

1978
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,800
Speaker 9: look at your lives. Look at our lives. It's black people.

1979
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 9: We should be doing a whole lot better. Everything that

1980
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 9: we built and contributed to this society. We should be

1981
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 9: on top if there is a top and bottom, so

1982
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:44,520
Speaker 9: you know, you just constantly point that out and and

1983
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 9: hopefully fully break through. I remember there was that I

1984
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 9: was treating addicts. There was this whole series of work

1985
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 9: books called breaking Through. I think it's called and that's it.

1986
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:04,440
Speaker 9: Exactly what we have to do through a constant kind

1987
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 9: of reminding, pointing out to our people our sorry situation,

1988
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,520
Speaker 9: and then here's what you can do about it in

1989
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:20,920
Speaker 9: terms of detoxifying from this white value system and this

1990
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Speaker 9: white worldview.

1991
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Speaker 1: All right, eight hundred five seventy eight to seventy six.

1992
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Speaker 1: Got a tweet question for it, But Sandra and Baltimore

1993
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:31,000
Speaker 1: has a question for us. She's online one grand Rising. Soandre,

1994
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Speaker 1: you're on with doctor Fox.

1995
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Speaker 13: Excuse me, Graham arrizing to you call and doctor Fox

1996
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 13: the one in Doctor Fox. I just loved you. I

1997
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,879
Speaker 13: couldn't wait for you to come on, Trinky Fox. Everything

1998
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 13: everything you were saying.

1999
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Speaker 4: Is absolutely true.

2000
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Speaker 13: And I feel the same way you do about o J.

2001
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:52,920
Speaker 13: I didn't really care that much about him anyway, because

2002
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 13: I think believe he's gonna bring him down. He's out

2003
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:59,320
Speaker 13: of his leg was like you said, black people must

2004
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 13: learn when you do and when you when they give

2005
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 13: you a little bit of crumbs, and if you don't

2006
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 13: do what they want you to do, when you get

2007
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:10,000
Speaker 13: them crumbs and stay your laying, they will bring you

2008
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Speaker 13: back and forth.

2009
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Speaker 9: Right, it's at a price, you know. Those crumbs are costly.

2010
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Speaker 13: Yes, you pay a price, and you know. And then

2011
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Speaker 13: some black men would read history, really read history to

2012
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:26,880
Speaker 13: see that the white master wife was one of the

2013
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Speaker 13: meanest people in the world was blacks, and what she ordered.

2014
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Speaker 9: Can't get enough of them? Yes, you wouldn't.

2015
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Speaker 13: You wouldn't even want them.

2016
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Speaker 9: You wouldn't even exactly you know.

2017
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Speaker 13: And so sometimes you have to put it in their

2018
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:46,400
Speaker 13: face to let them know. So, okay, I'm sorry that

2019
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:50,080
Speaker 13: they took everything they did. But when he stepped out

2020
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 13: there like he did, and he's gonna let a waitress,

2021
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 13: a white waitress, a white woman who had no education,

2022
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 13: no money, bring him to the point to his demise.

2023
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,640
Speaker 13: So I said, he got what he got, and it

2024
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 13: is what it is. Thanks, and keep telling me you're

2025
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 13: absolutely right. Black people are addicted. If you build a

2026
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,920
Speaker 13: ship right now and put all the white people and

2027
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,800
Speaker 13: send them tomorrow's black be the first one to get

2028
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 13: another ship and go get him and bring them back.

2029
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Speaker 8: Thank you all right, call him something somebody.

2030
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Speaker 13: I love you, doctor Fox.

2031
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Speaker 7: Thank all right.

2032
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Speaker 1: Thanks Andra. A twe question for you, doctor Fox, and

2033
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:34,400
Speaker 1: twet says granmarizing. Will you ask doctor Fox how does

2034
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 1: he think blacks should get their thoughts and beliefs from

2035
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:40,640
Speaker 1: when we go when we go to white schools at

2036
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:44,400
Speaker 1: an age four, harsh music is everywhere, the meet is everywhere.

2037
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 1: How would black parents save their children if they choose

2038
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 1: to What's some of the techniques can they use?

2039
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:51,480
Speaker 6: Right?

2040
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 9: Well, we have more agency and pack our then we

2041
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 9: are train and to recognize it is clear we are

2042
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:13,240
Speaker 9: bombarded twenty four seven with the white oppressors Worldview twenty

2043
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 9: four seven TV magazines nothing but white, white, white, white

2044
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 9: um or want to be white folk. So that is

2045
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:29,840
Speaker 9: it is extremely difficult to get your act together in

2046
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:33,440
Speaker 9: the midst of what I call that white noise. You

2047
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 9: can't even hear yourself. I think you're independent self think

2048
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 9: amid that white noise.

2049
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 4: So you have to.

2050
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 9: Develop strategy is to block out the distractions. We have

2051
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:56,840
Speaker 9: the capacity to school, homeschool our children. There are people

2052
02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:01,880
Speaker 9: who are doing it all over the country. Tree and

2053
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:08,000
Speaker 9: Unfortunately those people are not united in some kind of league.

2054
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 9: Black people could develop a league of independent teachers who

2055
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 9: help introduce black households to homeschooling if necessary, or just

2056
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:33,560
Speaker 9: take a greater interest, and your local community school be there.

2057
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 9: And because that's your your previous college mentioned about black

2058
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 9: people not reading whatever, we don't know how to read.

2059
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:48,000
Speaker 9: We have been taught properly. As we hand our children's

2060
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 9: brains over to the masa, they make sure that we

2061
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 9: don't know how to read, or account or anything else,

2062
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:59,840
Speaker 9: and we're sitting at home or too busy working to

2063
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 9: notice or get involved with our kids education. During the sixties,

2064
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 9: there was this moment to establish independent black schools and

2065
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,800
Speaker 9: they were springing up everywhere. Most of those schools have

2066
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:21,760
Speaker 9: died out because we don't value Apparently, we don't see

2067
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 9: the value in controlling our children's education. And that throws

2068
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:33,800
Speaker 9: me back to another thing that we could do that

2069
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:39,320
Speaker 9: we have agency to do. If you cannot, as I've

2070
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 9: said many times, educate your children properly, feed your children properly,

2071
02:05:45,400 --> 02:05:49,080
Speaker 9: and do all the things that kids need in order

2072
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:52,840
Speaker 9: to grow into being revolutionists. Like I say, we need

2073
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:58,360
Speaker 9: to be raising revolutionists. If you can't do that, then

2074
02:05:58,440 --> 02:06:02,360
Speaker 9: stop having all these and children. You have one kid

2075
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:05,520
Speaker 9: you have to work night and day to support and

2076
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:09,120
Speaker 9: they and you have another the one that's that's inexcusable

2077
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 9: if you can't educate your children properly, feeds your children.

2078
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 9: Have this commercial about feeding children with these two black

2079
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:25,680
Speaker 9: kids saying, you know, my mom works all the time.

2080
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:30,080
Speaker 9: Number one, that's a problem a single household. My mom

2081
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:34,440
Speaker 9: works all the time. Uh, if we didn't get our

2082
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:37,600
Speaker 9: food at school, we probably wouldn't need What kind of

2083
02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 9: nonsense is that?

2084
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 6: That?

2085
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:43,000
Speaker 9: That means that you can't afford to really have you

2086
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 9: in the first darned place. So there's a lot of

2087
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:49,760
Speaker 9: things we can do, uh that that we're just not

2088
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,600
Speaker 9: motivated to do. And maybe people haven't pointed that out.

2089
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 9: A lot of the situations that we're in economically and otherwise,

2090
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,560
Speaker 9: we have put ourselves and hold up thought.

2091
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:03,320
Speaker 1: Right there, Doc, we got to step aside a few moments,

2092
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: and I want you to expound on it. This is

2093
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:06,960
Speaker 1: important what you're saying. I want you to share with us,

2094
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 1: especially the attack on the black family. And if you

2095
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:12,560
Speaker 1: can provide some solutions too, it appreciate it. I know

2096
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:14,320
Speaker 1: a lot of the solutions are in your book. Addicted

2097
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 1: to White, the oppressed, in league with the oppressor, a

2098
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,440
Speaker 1: shame based alliance. That's the part I like. This's the

2099
02:07:19,560 --> 02:07:22,400
Speaker 1: shame based alliance. Family, you got questions for doctor Fox,

2100
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:24,320
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

2101
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:27,560
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and take your phone calls

2102
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:30,480
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us

2103
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning and the second day of October

2104
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:36,400
Speaker 1: with their already family. And I should also mention that

2105
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,720
Speaker 1: I got a note from our listeners in the UK.

2106
02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:42,360
Speaker 1: This month is Black History Month in Britain. So it

2107
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:44,680
Speaker 1: heads up to all these folks you got friends in

2108
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 1: the UK, just let them know a happy Black History

2109
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:49,080
Speaker 1: Month to the folks they celebrate in October. I haven't

2110
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:50,960
Speaker 1: figured out why they do it in October, so we

2111
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:54,320
Speaker 1: do it in February. But Black History Months started yesterday

2112
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:58,200
Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. Also, Johnny Cochran Johnny Cockin's birthday today,

2113
02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:00,600
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about Ojay and today's Annie Cochran's

2114
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:03,240
Speaker 1: birthday was born in nineteen thirty seven. Manies transition in

2115
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:06,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Somewhere he's listening to us and Johnny,

2116
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:08,680
Speaker 1: we did a lot for us and we appreciate it.

2117
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:11,200
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Friday with another chance for you to free your

2118
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:13,160
Speaker 1: mind and join us for our Open Phone Friday program

2119
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:16,040
Speaker 1: began promptly at six am Eastern Time right here in

2120
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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB interfere in the DMV. We're

2121
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 1: on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL.

2122
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:25,960
Speaker 1: All right, Doc, before we left, you attend us about

2123
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:27,760
Speaker 1: some of the problems, especially when it comes to the

2124
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 1: black black black family, the disintegration of the black family.

2125
02:08:31,240 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 1: Some of the problems you say are sort of self inflicted.

2126
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:34,880
Speaker 1: Can you go deep on that for us?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And it's because we don't. We're now trained to

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Speaker 9: think strategically. And once, by the way, once the condition

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Speaker 9: mind has indeed been conditioned, it is almost self perpetuating

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Speaker 9: from generation to generation. So you wind up in the

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Speaker 9: situations whereby just to give a simple example, your parents

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02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:06,160
Speaker 9: didn't read that much, so you don't read that much.

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Speaker 9: Your parents weren't into school that much, so you're not

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Speaker 9: really into school, and you just pass these conditioned responses

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Speaker 9: from one generation to the other. There learned and picked

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Speaker 9: up by one generation after another, and that's why things

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Speaker 9: seem after a while just so intractable that you can't

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Speaker 9: really correct them. But I tried to encourage people to

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Speaker 9: think more strategically, which also we are discouraged from thinking.

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Speaker 9: As I've mentioned, you know, I get up thinking like

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Speaker 9: a general, and I go to bed thinking like a general.

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Speaker 9: And by the way, I was pleased to see that

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Speaker 9: there are non white generals in that audience that Trump

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Speaker 9: called to Virginia recent the other day, because if they're

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Speaker 9: a I would hope that if these white monsters which

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Speaker 9: tried to attack act or eliminate uh US from this

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Speaker 9: land there at our black servicemen would just step in

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Speaker 9: and stop that completely, so you know, if if their

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Speaker 9: minds are not too captured by this white worldview. But

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Speaker 9: any rate, we have to think strategically. As they say,

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Speaker 9: I get out thinking like a general and go to

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Speaker 9: bed thinking and like a general. But in order to

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Speaker 9: do that, there was a quote that I had, yeah,

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Speaker 9: oddly enough, was by Eleanor Roosevelt. She said, one can

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Speaker 9: fight a danger, and certainly we have been in danger

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Speaker 9: and still are are in danger. One can fight a

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Speaker 9: danger only when one is armed with solid facts and

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Speaker 9: spurred on by an unwavering faith and determination.

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Speaker 5: And that is very true.

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Speaker 9: Armed with solid facts, where are we going to get

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Speaker 9: those solid facts about us and not about them? The

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02:11:31,120 --> 02:11:33,880
Speaker 9: only way we're going to get those solid facts is

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02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:38,120
Speaker 9: if we give them to each other. But we're not

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Speaker 9: oriented to the idea that we're even in danger. So

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Speaker 9: how you're going to inspire people to think strategically or

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Speaker 9: like generals if if there's no danger uh that they're facing.

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Speaker 9: The if we think that there is no danger that

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Speaker 9: that that we face, so we're situations arise like today

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Speaker 9: with this clown and and and grand Wizard in the

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Speaker 9: White House, maybe that will wake us up to the

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Speaker 9: fact that we are in danger and have been endangered

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Speaker 9: since you're all along. Uh. And it's that those in

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Speaker 9: what they call inflection points uh, that folk like myself

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Speaker 9: and and and your radio station can swoop in hopefully

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Speaker 9: and you know, wake our people up and get them

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Speaker 9: on a course of of of really preparing themselves to

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Speaker 9: fight back. And that's what this whole work book is about.

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Speaker 9: Preparing our minds to fight and effective uh or to

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Speaker 9: mount and an effective uh of battle uh successful battle

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Speaker 9: against our white oppressors.

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Speaker 1: But how do we do that doc and twelve away

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Speaker 1: from the top of that, it's intimidation all around us.

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Speaker 1: You know, they attack the word woke, and what you're

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02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:13,000
Speaker 1: talking about is getting how people awake and to understand

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Speaker 1: what's going on. And many of our people are afraid

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Speaker 1: to even associate anything like that. They're scared. There's there's

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Speaker 1: sort of a fear.

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Speaker 9: One by one and understand that it doesn't it won't

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Speaker 9: be everybody. Uh So, uh, there are there's no war.

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Speaker 9: I asked people, well, and in what war or war

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Speaker 9: has there been no casualties? So these walking dead black

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Speaker 9: folk that we see are the casualties of this psychological

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Speaker 9: war that has been waged against and stuff since we

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Speaker 9: were dragged from other Africa to this continent. So these

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Speaker 9: those are the casualties. But there are recruits out there

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Speaker 9: that we can gather just by you know, one on

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Speaker 9: one conversations, getting people to read books like this, uh,

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Speaker 9: like my workbook, and hopefully there there's enough that we

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Speaker 9: can mount the kind of you know, campaign that we

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Speaker 9: need in order to secure our liberation and then many

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Speaker 9: of those walking days will be lost in the process.

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Speaker 9: And and that's okay, but our focus has to be

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Speaker 9: on on mounting that uh sort of uh requisite mass

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Speaker 9: that we need that doesn't really require everybody, So you

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Speaker 9: don't give up because many of the people that you

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Speaker 9: encounter are currently lost. We need that critical mass, uh.

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Speaker 9: To gather that critical mass, which once again does not

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Speaker 9: include everybody. Uh uh, But there's still many recruits out

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Speaker 9: there that we can gather.

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Speaker 1: So a ten away from the top of we've got

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Speaker 1: two anti black groups out there trying to define the

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Speaker 1: black community and clowns, and we've got class on the

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02:15:24,760 --> 02:15:27,960
Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruined against us. How do we how do

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Speaker 1: we how do we combat that? Do we just ignore

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02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,320
Speaker 1: them like you say, uh? Or we just move on?

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Speaker 9: And we well, we mount our, We mount our, our

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Speaker 9: our plan of attay and I sit the last time

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Speaker 9: on the air, I gave two calls to action, two

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Speaker 9: immediate calls, one involving raising our children properly and educating

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Speaker 9: our children properly, and the other being to vote.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 9: You have to fortunately win a very fortunate situation, believe

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Speaker 9: it or not, and that we have a tool to

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Speaker 9: limit the opposition the voting, and we'll never saw liberate us,

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Speaker 9: but what it does is limit the opposition. We wouldn't

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Speaker 9: be facing the issues that we're finishing today if Kamala

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Speaker 9: Harris was in office. Whether you like her or not,

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02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:29,880
Speaker 9: like the fact that she's married to a white person

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Speaker 9: or not, the fact that's irrelevant when you think like

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02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:37,440
Speaker 9: a general, that's irrelevant. The fact is that that we

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Speaker 9: would not have to be dealing with these increases in

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Speaker 9: our health there and all of the kinds of economic

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02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:52,040
Speaker 9: stressors that are being levied and increased against started life

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Speaker 9: to the point where we can't think about liberation. All

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02:16:55,560 --> 02:16:59,520
Speaker 9: we can think about is survived. And that's where they

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02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:06,720
Speaker 9: were on our minds. The oppressors control several things, your body,

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02:17:07,400 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 9: the bodies of the oppressed, the minds of the or

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02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:15,880
Speaker 9: the attention of the oppressed, and the money of the oppressed.

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Speaker 9: And we we have a tool was to limit that

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Speaker 9: kind of of of of attack on us. We just

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Speaker 9: have to use them. And sometimes it takes being for them,

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02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 9: you know, pulling the strings even tighter or the noose

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02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:38,480
Speaker 9: even tighter around our necks for us to wake up

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02:17:38,879 --> 02:17:42,640
Speaker 9: and use that tool. Vote, vote these damn people out

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02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:46,160
Speaker 9: of office. That's one thing you can do immediately and

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02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:50,320
Speaker 9: put people in and there in office who will at

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Speaker 9: least not increase the stress on our lives.

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Speaker 1: All right, strategically got a tweet question, and tweeter says,

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Speaker 1: doctor Fox, why do some of us keep trying to

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Speaker 1: integrate and be inclusive when these folks have shown us

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Speaker 1: over and over they want us picking cotton or locked

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02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:13,240
Speaker 1: up in jail. And a person goes on to ask

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02:18:13,320 --> 02:18:16,200
Speaker 1: the question, once they've finished with the Hispanics, do you

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02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:17,280
Speaker 1: think they're coming for us?

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Speaker 9: Well, they've been coming for us. It's just these dumb people, Hispanics,

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Speaker 9: so called Hispanics.

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Speaker 3: They're black.

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Speaker 9: Most of them are black people who come here on

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02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:35,280
Speaker 9: a mission to bleach out all the blackness in their

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02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,440
Speaker 9: in their family line by hooking up with white people

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02:18:38,520 --> 02:18:43,840
Speaker 9: and thinking that these white people will help them do that. Uh,

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02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:46,000
Speaker 9: they've gotten a route to where and I bet the

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02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:51,920
Speaker 9: next election you'll see that they have awoken to the fact,

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02:18:52,240 --> 02:18:57,280
Speaker 9: awakened to the fact that these people are not their friends,

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Speaker 9: and hopefully that will be reflected in their votes as well.

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Speaker 9: But what was the question again, because I says it again, what.

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Speaker 1: Was it you said that? The question was they come

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02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:11,240
Speaker 1: in for the Hispanics right now? And do you think

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02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:13,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna we're on next on the list.

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Speaker 9: Well, no, we we have. They've always been coming for

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02:19:17,080 --> 02:19:19,880
Speaker 9: because you have to remember remember that this whole category

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02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:24,640
Speaker 9: of brown people is bogus. Uh. There are only two

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Speaker 9: categories in America that's white and black, and none of

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02:19:29,680 --> 02:19:35,520
Speaker 9: them neither category has anything to do or has little

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02:19:35,600 --> 02:19:39,800
Speaker 9: to do. This has something, uh to do with your pigmentation.

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02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:47,600
Speaker 9: These are political categories to oppress all so called non

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Speaker 9: white people. And so it doesn't matter whether you're so

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02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:57,879
Speaker 9: called brown or yellow or red, if you're not considered

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02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:04,160
Speaker 9: to be white as a political category, you're you're going there.

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Speaker 9: They are going to target you. And that's what the

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02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:12,000
Speaker 9: things that these so called around Hispanic people try to

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02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:16,400
Speaker 9: deny or ignore, but that they don't. They're self hating.

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Speaker 9: They don't want to be categorized as black people, which

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02:20:21,560 --> 02:20:27,440
Speaker 9: they are being categorized as black people, thinking that they

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02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:35,279
Speaker 9: can escape the economic particularly oppression of these uh white monsters.

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02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:37,880
Speaker 9: But the white monsters had told them, no, no, no,

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Speaker 9: you're black. You know, you're the end word, just like

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Speaker 9: the other more more richly pigmented people that we appress.

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Speaker 9: So they're already coming for us, and we fell down.

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Speaker 9: Whereas the so called Hispanic men voted for Trump. Uh

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02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:06,119
Speaker 9: too many black people, many males, young males didn't vote

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02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:10,560
Speaker 9: at all. And it's the same difference. So you use

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02:21:10,760 --> 02:21:14,720
Speaker 9: the tools, the weapons that we are already have available

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02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:18,480
Speaker 9: to us. As I said during my last appearance two

2295
02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:22,320
Speaker 9: weeks ago on this program. You use the weapons and

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02:21:22,760 --> 02:21:27,000
Speaker 9: they're all listed in my book that we already have

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02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:30,800
Speaker 9: available to us. And you will see see a difference

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02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:38,119
Speaker 9: in your circumstances as and using utilizing those weapons will

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02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:44,080
Speaker 9: allow us more time to go through uh this detoxification

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02:21:44,879 --> 02:21:49,360
Speaker 9: process that I outline in my book.

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Speaker 1: So that's what you do, all right, we'll come up

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Speaker 1: on a break. So let's say the break because I've

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of folks want to talk to you.

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02:21:55,480 --> 02:21:58,400
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of tweets questions for your doctor Fox,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us this morning. Family, Just

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Speaker 1: join us. Our guest is doctor Jeromy Fox. He's a

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02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:06,040
Speaker 1: clinical psychologist. His book is called Addicted to White, the

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02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,840
Speaker 1: Oppressed in League with the Oppressor. I suggest to get

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02:22:08,840 --> 02:22:10,480
Speaker 1: a copy book. You've got a lot of answers and

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02:22:10,480 --> 02:22:12,640
Speaker 1: a lot of solutions to the problems that we face

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02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:14,960
Speaker 1: as a people. Eight hundred and four or five, zero,

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Speaker 1: seventy eight, seventy six of those the magic numbers to

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Speaker 1: speak to doctor Fox. Take a calls next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this second

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Speaker 1: day of October twenty twenty five. I guess the doctor

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02:22:26,920 --> 02:22:29,920
Speaker 1: Jeromy Fox and if he's discussing his best selling workbook,

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02:22:29,959 --> 02:22:31,520
Speaker 1: you got to pick up a copy. If you haven't,

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02:22:31,640 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 1: it's called Addicted to White the oppressed in league with

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02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:37,080
Speaker 1: the oppressor, a shame based alliance. Let's go to brother

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Speaker 1: Saykup's calling us from Baltimore's online Wine. Grand Rising Brother, say,

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Speaker 1: coup your question for doctor.

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Speaker 15: Fox, Yombo, Doctor Fox, who is responsible for the situation

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02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:52,200
Speaker 15: we're in today as a people in this country, the

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02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:54,920
Speaker 15: black middle class or the black lower class.

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Speaker 9: Thank you so really, as I say in my book,

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02:23:00,120 --> 02:23:06,400
Speaker 9: you cannot analyze the situation that we as black people

2327
02:23:06,959 --> 02:23:16,880
Speaker 9: are in without accepting the fact that the fact of

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02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:24,760
Speaker 9: white supremacy that we have been under, these white supremacists

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02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:29,840
Speaker 9: that we've been under. As neely Fer once said, any

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02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:35,520
Speaker 9: honest analysis of the peoples of the world must begin

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02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 9: with the ideology and practice of white supremacy. Otherwise, uh,

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02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:50,320
Speaker 9: every thing thought to be understood about our circumstances or

2333
02:23:50,879 --> 02:23:56,120
Speaker 9: our interactions with these people will will produce only confusion.

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02:23:56,720 --> 02:24:02,080
Speaker 9: So the finger pointing of each other doesn't help. We

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02:24:02,520 --> 02:24:08,600
Speaker 9: are under uh are the condition of our minds, and

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02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:15,360
Speaker 9: our circumstances are the result of us being under the

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02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:21,199
Speaker 9: rule and threat of white oppressors for hundreds of years.

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Speaker 9: That's really the bottom, the rock bottom cause of our

2339
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:33,600
Speaker 9: problems now, since they are not willing to do anything

2340
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:39,720
Speaker 9: to correct the damage that they've done to us. Unfortunately,

2341
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:45,760
Speaker 9: we as severely injured people, have to fly in some

2342
02:24:46,959 --> 02:24:52,920
Speaker 9: way of mustering some kind of strength to rescue ourselves

2343
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:58,920
Speaker 9: at this point, and bickering among ourselves doesn't do that.

2344
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:04,680
Speaker 9: We to understand that we all, we are all to

2345
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:11,000
Speaker 9: some degree are not battling with an addiction to white

2346
02:25:11,480 --> 02:25:14,560
Speaker 9: to white ideas, to the white world view, to white values,

2347
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:21,720
Speaker 9: and we ought to be able to find sympathy, empathy

2348
02:25:22,480 --> 02:25:28,040
Speaker 9: and unity with each other just based on that fact

2349
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:32,240
Speaker 9: that we are struggling, all of us with the same problem,

2350
02:25:32,760 --> 02:25:35,880
Speaker 9: and perhaps if we come together other with that thought

2351
02:25:35,959 --> 02:25:38,920
Speaker 9: in mind, we can help each other overcome.

2352
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:43,400
Speaker 1: But isn't that what he's blaming the victim? Isn't that

2353
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,480
Speaker 1: part of how that system of racism white supremaciy Right says,

2354
02:25:46,680 --> 02:25:47,280
Speaker 1: they teach you.

2355
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Speaker 9: To point fingers at each other. There too, to be

2356
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:56,280
Speaker 9: occupied on pointing fingers at each other, so that we

2357
02:25:56,680 --> 02:26:01,760
Speaker 9: never turn our attention to them, and and we fall,

2358
02:26:01,959 --> 02:26:07,480
Speaker 9: and we we give each other a lot of cause

2359
02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:12,400
Speaker 9: to be upset with each other. You may live in

2360
02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:15,560
Speaker 9: a neighborhood where you trying to raise your kids properly,

2361
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:19,600
Speaker 9: and your next door neighbor isn't and their children are

2362
02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:23,560
Speaker 9: creating all kinds of havoc in your neighborhood. Maybe if

2363
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:27,680
Speaker 9: and one of their children killed Joki with Jok, it

2364
02:26:27,800 --> 02:26:29,879
Speaker 9: was a good one and their children was a bad one.

2365
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:36,440
Speaker 9: But that's all we've been set up in poverty and

2366
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:43,000
Speaker 9: and uh, the the white world view that values money

2367
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:48,840
Speaker 9: above relationships value number white white value number two in

2368
02:26:48,920 --> 02:26:52,640
Speaker 9: my book. So that's all a product of us being

2369
02:26:53,400 --> 02:26:58,600
Speaker 9: conditioned to hate ourselves and therefore hate each other.

2370
02:26:59,480 --> 02:26:59,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

2371
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:02,640
Speaker 9: But as I said, if we can come together in

2372
02:27:02,760 --> 02:27:08,240
Speaker 9: a kind of uh a group, uh self help group

2373
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:13,240
Speaker 9: that which I prescribed in this book to talk about

2374
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:17,680
Speaker 9: and see how we are originally not each other's enemies,

2375
02:27:18,360 --> 02:27:21,120
Speaker 9: we do have a common enemy, and it ain't us,

2376
02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:25,760
Speaker 9: it's them. And perhaps we can throw down our arms,

2377
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:32,040
Speaker 9: uh that we use against each other, and and and

2378
02:27:32,400 --> 02:27:38,959
Speaker 9: and fashion a new arm to fight our true enemy, which.

2379
02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Is but some folks still don't get it. I've got

2380
02:27:42,320 --> 02:27:44,199
Speaker 1: a tweet asking do we have any proof of common

2381
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:47,120
Speaker 1: houses before would have been black? And the person goes on,

2382
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:50,040
Speaker 1: we thought Obama's gonna be pro black? Are they missing?

2383
02:27:51,080 --> 02:27:55,040
Speaker 9: Are not pro They are not thoroughly pro black. And

2384
02:27:55,160 --> 02:27:58,040
Speaker 9: this is another a lot of a lot of those

2385
02:27:58,360 --> 02:28:02,000
Speaker 9: people who are obsessed with that kind of question. And

2386
02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:05,200
Speaker 9: I have found out just had a conversation with somebody

2387
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:11,279
Speaker 9: the about that same thing, and he was just determined,

2388
02:28:11,360 --> 02:28:15,560
Speaker 9: and he was saying, how do you know that she

2389
02:28:15,720 --> 02:28:18,080
Speaker 9: would have done anything for black people? And I said, well,

2390
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:21,280
Speaker 9: how do you know that she wouldn't have? But we

2391
02:28:21,720 --> 02:28:25,640
Speaker 9: do have some indication if you looked at if you

2392
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:30,039
Speaker 9: listened to what Trump was saying he would do, which

2393
02:28:30,280 --> 02:28:33,440
Speaker 9: most of it, all the bad things that he said

2394
02:28:33,480 --> 02:28:36,920
Speaker 9: he would do, he's actually doing none of the good things.

2395
02:28:38,959 --> 02:28:48,199
Speaker 9: Whereas her agenda directly addressed many of our issues, economic

2396
02:28:48,280 --> 02:28:51,959
Speaker 9: issues especially as well as other issues. So you don't

2397
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:55,840
Speaker 9: know you were willing to give him a chance. Why

2398
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:59,320
Speaker 9: wouldn't you, Why aren't you willing to give your sister

2399
02:28:59,480 --> 02:29:04,840
Speaker 9: a chance? And she may not be the blackest person,

2400
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:08,840
Speaker 9: uh that you can think, you know, the blacker than

2401
02:29:08,920 --> 02:29:14,880
Speaker 9: thou syndrome. But our focus is not on uh, the

2402
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:21,359
Speaker 9: person necessarily, It's on their agenda. We want a particular

2403
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:28,360
Speaker 9: agenda that alleviates the pressure on our lives sufficiently to

2404
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:34,800
Speaker 9: give us time and space to plot, perhaps quietly and secretly,

2405
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:41,480
Speaker 9: our our our our war strategy. In a sense. So

2406
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:46,400
Speaker 9: as long as the candidate black or white will do that,

2407
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:52,080
Speaker 9: that that's whom we should be voting for. And in

2408
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:58,000
Speaker 9: this last election there were only two candidates. One promised

2409
02:29:58,120 --> 02:30:02,840
Speaker 9: to do that and another did not, uh and in

2410
02:30:02,959 --> 02:30:07,199
Speaker 9: fact promised to the exact opposite with his racist self.

2411
02:30:09,080 --> 02:30:11,920
Speaker 9: So I mean, if you're looking at it strategically and

2412
02:30:12,040 --> 02:30:16,000
Speaker 9: as a general, it just doesn't make sense to even

2413
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:21,360
Speaker 9: quibble about what you think she would or would not

2414
02:30:21,480 --> 02:30:25,600
Speaker 9: have done. She told you what she would do. She

2415
02:30:25,720 --> 02:30:28,920
Speaker 9: even told you what he would do, and all of

2416
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:32,320
Speaker 9: her predictions about him have come true.

2417
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:35,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you addressed that because I've run

2418
02:30:35,360 --> 02:30:38,080
Speaker 1: into some people with the same even after the election.

2419
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,200
Speaker 1: They're still saying the same thing. They can't They just

2420
02:30:40,320 --> 02:30:40,800
Speaker 1: can't come.

2421
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:42,480
Speaker 7: They're addicted to one of themselves.

2422
02:30:42,879 --> 02:30:46,200
Speaker 9: They think they're not, but they are addicted to why

2423
02:30:46,320 --> 02:30:51,600
Speaker 9: some of them, suspect are even like agents, you know,

2424
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:57,280
Speaker 9: provocates or almost like paid by a wider pressers to

2425
02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:02,880
Speaker 9: show that kind of nonsense into the ether for us

2426
02:31:03,240 --> 02:31:09,720
Speaker 9: to start arguing another thing to divide us, start arguing

2427
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:14,000
Speaker 9: with our brothers and sisters about what she would or

2428
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:16,120
Speaker 9: would not have done. You did not give her a

2429
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:21,480
Speaker 9: chance to prove that. So that kind of hypothetical conversation

2430
02:31:22,200 --> 02:31:25,600
Speaker 9: is really silly. And after a while, and this brother

2431
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:28,840
Speaker 9: I was talking to, I told him that and just

2432
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:34,520
Speaker 9: cut the conversation short. Clearly, you just want his faith

2433
02:31:35,160 --> 02:31:40,560
Speaker 9: and white folk not destroying black folk. Who is so

2434
02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:46,040
Speaker 9: deep that I could not penetrate that. He just he

2435
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:51,480
Speaker 9: has this little government job, interestingly enough, and I guess

2436
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:57,920
Speaker 9: it's not until he loses his government job that he

2437
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:00,960
Speaker 9: will wake up. So in the mean time, I don't

2438
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:05,760
Speaker 9: have time to waste arguing with him about that. It's

2439
02:32:05,800 --> 02:32:09,880
Speaker 9: one of these post office people that happened to be

2440
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:13,240
Speaker 9: the postman that I happened to be talking to, just

2441
02:32:13,400 --> 02:32:14,000
Speaker 9: really silly.

2442
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad your addressed because I ran into a

2443
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:21,040
Speaker 1: few and I just sort of okay, I know exactly

2444
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:22,920
Speaker 1: how they think. I just move on. So I'm glad

2445
02:32:22,959 --> 02:32:26,920
Speaker 1: you analyze it because you're a psychoagst. You can tell

2446
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:29,800
Speaker 1: philing what what time it is. But I still got

2447
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:31,199
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks want.

2448
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:36,000
Speaker 9: To until they lose their job. And that's another white

2449
02:32:36,600 --> 02:32:40,160
Speaker 9: well you know they were looking for, right.

2450
02:32:40,120 --> 02:32:42,120
Speaker 1: They were looking for any excuse not to vote for her.

2451
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:43,200
Speaker 3: That was that was it?

2452
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, any excuse not to support it. Yeah, thank you

2453
02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:49,640
Speaker 1: and all of you who were there who who didn't

2454
02:32:49,640 --> 02:32:52,520
Speaker 1: support her because you couldn't support a black woman. You

2455
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:54,840
Speaker 1: heard what doctor Fox said, and I know you've got

2456
02:32:54,920 --> 02:32:56,960
Speaker 1: friends who said that to you too, because there's a

2457
02:32:57,000 --> 02:33:00,000
Speaker 1: whole group, that anti black group was going around spread

2458
02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:02,120
Speaker 1: those rumors and and some of you bought into it.

2459
02:33:02,440 --> 02:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Goes back to doctor think.

2460
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:13,480
Speaker 9: Yeah again, we don't you. We have condition not to

2461
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:18,680
Speaker 9: think for ourselves. There's a whole class of black who

2462
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:24,520
Speaker 9: are susceptible to these kinds of of agent providing tours

2463
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:28,400
Speaker 9: among us, you know, as quame tour Race said, uh,

2464
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:33,160
Speaker 9: and a real kind of of fight against our oppressors.

2465
02:33:33,480 --> 02:33:38,800
Speaker 9: You again with clearing out uh uh the enemy within

2466
02:33:38,959 --> 02:33:39,840
Speaker 9: your own head.

2467
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:40,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

2468
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:43,760
Speaker 9: That's what this book is about. My book is about.

2469
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:51,640
Speaker 9: Then you look uh vertically to your fellow black person,

2470
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:56,040
Speaker 9: and you clear out the traders among us, and then

2471
02:33:56,200 --> 02:34:01,240
Speaker 9: you can march on the battlefield and with some confidence

2472
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:07,560
Speaker 9: that you will be successful in fighting our white oppressor.

2473
02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:11,600
Speaker 9: But we have to do that initial work first, and

2474
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 9: we're always jumping on the battlefield with these white oppressors

2475
02:34:16,879 --> 02:34:22,360
Speaker 9: and failing because we haven't done that initial work. Clear

2476
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:29,320
Speaker 9: our own heads out of their white worldview, and clear

2477
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:36,000
Speaker 9: the sambos among us and antient miima's among us out

2478
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:36,720
Speaker 9: of our ranks.

2479
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Hello, doctor Fox is bowling down somebody's alley this morning,

2480
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:45,040
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes at the top. They are eight hundred and

2481
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:48,200
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six Carls in West

2482
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida. Carl, your question for doctor Fox.

2483
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:54,560
Speaker 6: Carl.

2484
02:34:55,080 --> 02:34:57,800
Speaker 16: I wake up every morning like doctor Flox, like a general,

2485
02:34:57,959 --> 02:35:00,720
Speaker 16: and I'm on the table trying to bring some solutions

2486
02:35:00,760 --> 02:35:03,000
Speaker 16: to our problem. And when we look at it from

2487
02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:07,280
Speaker 16: a system detoxification, which were all up under the same

2488
02:35:07,480 --> 02:35:12,440
Speaker 16: educational experience because of a miracles one system of given education,

2489
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:15,840
Speaker 16: and when we look at the higher education, I believe

2490
02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:17,959
Speaker 16: these are some of the greatest help us to keep

2491
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:19,680
Speaker 16: us in the position that we're in because once a

2492
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:23,040
Speaker 16: person acquire one of these so called three figure folk

2493
02:35:23,080 --> 02:35:24,560
Speaker 16: figure jobs, then.

2494
02:35:24,480 --> 02:35:26,240
Speaker 3: They juice a favor.

2495
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:27,920
Speaker 1: Can you put in a question for him, because we've

2496
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:28,480
Speaker 1: got a bunch of.

2497
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:32,360
Speaker 16: I wanted to I wanted to offer suggestions because I

2498
02:35:32,440 --> 02:35:36,760
Speaker 16: do sell the book by doctor Fox, and I've been

2499
02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:40,280
Speaker 16: trying to make that book available to different commissioners and

2500
02:35:40,520 --> 02:35:43,320
Speaker 16: different people that I know that don't possess that kind

2501
02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:45,200
Speaker 16: of wisdom, but they are representing us. I just wanted

2502
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:47,640
Speaker 16: to add to the thought process. I think it's one

2503
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:51,280
Speaker 16: of the best teachers aid for our churches, for our

2504
02:35:51,360 --> 02:35:54,120
Speaker 16: pastors and everybody else. And I think it needs salespeople.

2505
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:57,720
Speaker 16: Those who read the book and understand the book, then.

2506
02:35:57,600 --> 02:35:58,560
Speaker 6: You can do something with it.

2507
02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:01,320
Speaker 16: And lastly, called thought it would come a long time.

2508
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:04,400
Speaker 16: We're getting ready to prepare for the day of atonement,

2509
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:07,520
Speaker 16: and if all of us that made the players would

2510
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:09,640
Speaker 16: look at this book and share this book for the

2511
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:11,840
Speaker 16: rest of our family. I think we have a couple

2512
02:36:11,879 --> 02:36:15,240
Speaker 16: of million of books already into our community because we

2513
02:36:15,360 --> 02:36:18,480
Speaker 16: need that kind of information. Sincerely, thank you man. That's

2514
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:21,640
Speaker 16: my that's my thoughts, Doctor Fox. If I'm an ara,

2515
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:22,520
Speaker 16: please thank you.

2516
02:36:24,360 --> 02:36:26,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Fox does not do this to sell a book. Okay,

2517
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,480
Speaker 1: he's loses money on the book. You've heard his advertising

2518
02:36:29,560 --> 02:36:31,960
Speaker 1: on this station. He puts his money where his mouth is.

2519
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:35,000
Speaker 1: He's not about trying. It's not it's not trying to

2520
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:37,280
Speaker 1: sell you a book. He's trying to sell you an idea.

2521
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:46,360
Speaker 9: That brother was exactly right, that we had to get

2522
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:54,640
Speaker 9: this book widely distributed it among our people worldwide if possible.

2523
02:36:55,160 --> 02:36:59,279
Speaker 9: Once again, not for my profit, but for our people's

2524
02:36:59,800 --> 02:37:06,360
Speaker 9: uh improvement, so to speak. Because to this day I

2525
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:10,840
Speaker 9: have not made one cent off of the book. Go ahead,

2526
02:37:10,959 --> 02:37:11,840
Speaker 9: all right, that's what.

2527
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling folks. And yet still he goes in his

2528
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:17,080
Speaker 1: pocket and writes a check for the book to advertise

2529
02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:19,480
Speaker 1: on this station. So hey, this is what this is

2530
02:37:19,560 --> 02:37:23,320
Speaker 1: what doctor Fox is all about. Robertson Kansas City's Online three,

2531
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:25,560
Speaker 1: he has a question for your grand rising Robert. Your

2532
02:37:25,640 --> 02:37:33,200
Speaker 1: question for doctor Fox is Robert there online three. Hello

2533
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:35,840
Speaker 1: and not hearing Robert Kevin. So let's let's let's hell,

2534
02:37:36,120 --> 02:37:39,320
Speaker 1: let's take it. Oh there your Oh go ahead.

2535
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:42,160
Speaker 17: Robert, Okay, this is just a thought. Uh you know,

2536
02:37:42,360 --> 02:37:44,400
Speaker 17: Carl and Doctor Fox. When I was coming up in

2537
02:37:44,480 --> 02:37:48,400
Speaker 17: the seventies and early eighties, most black music was ninety

2538
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:51,880
Speaker 17: nine point ninety nine percent about love and relationship. And

2539
02:37:51,959 --> 02:37:54,520
Speaker 17: the artists that wrote those songs, they wrote the songs

2540
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:57,240
Speaker 17: from their heart, the souls. When you listen to our

2541
02:37:57,360 --> 02:38:00,280
Speaker 17: young people's hip hop music where they're where they're singing

2542
02:38:00,320 --> 02:38:04,400
Speaker 17: about sex, money, violence, material things, and and doing harm

2543
02:38:04,480 --> 02:38:07,480
Speaker 17: to each other, is all that most of their music

2544
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:10,920
Speaker 17: is coming straight from the mind of the of the oppressor.

2545
02:38:11,560 --> 02:38:14,560
Speaker 17: I guess the question is, how do we how do

2546
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:17,280
Speaker 17: we do How do we give our young people this

2547
02:38:17,480 --> 02:38:20,720
Speaker 17: information that the music that they're putting out is straight

2548
02:38:20,760 --> 02:38:22,920
Speaker 17: from the mind of the oppressor?

2549
02:38:23,959 --> 02:38:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, here we gets hold up, hold your response there,

2550
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Doctor Fox. We're gonna take a short break and we

2551
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:29,840
Speaker 1: come back. I'll let you respond to Roberts's question. Out

2552
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:31,800
Speaker 1: of Kansas City, Family, you two can join us. It's

2553
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:35,440
Speaker 1: it's a guest show with our guests. Dr Jeromy Fox

2554
02:38:35,560 --> 02:38:37,879
Speaker 1: is addicted to White the Oppressed, in League with the Oppressor.

2555
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:39,720
Speaker 1: That's the title of the book. A shame based alliance.

2556
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:41,640
Speaker 1: That's a part of the title. I love a shame

2557
02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:43,560
Speaker 1: based alliance and you can pick it up. He'll tell

2558
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:45,440
Speaker 1: you how to get coffies. Before he leaves, we've got

2559
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:46,959
Speaker 1: to take a short break. We come back. We'll take

2560
02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:50,080
Speaker 1: more of a phone calls right here next and grund

2561
02:38:50,160 --> 02:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Rising family facts are staying with us on this Thursday

2562
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,440
Speaker 1: morning here with our guests that doctor Fox and the

2563
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:57,640
Speaker 1: doctor Fox is a clinical psychologist dot Fox. The last

2564
02:38:57,720 --> 02:38:59,880
Speaker 1: question from Kansas City, Robert wanted to know about the

2565
02:39:00,320 --> 02:39:03,840
Speaker 1: entertainment and so because we don't control the entertainment industry and.

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02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:09,760
Speaker 9: That's part of the problem. Yeah, as once again I

2567
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:17,120
Speaker 9: talk about the rap uh music and my book. So

2568
02:39:17,800 --> 02:39:20,760
Speaker 9: if he if he doesn't have it, I hope he

2569
02:39:20,879 --> 02:39:28,400
Speaker 9: gets it because I have a little paragraph on rap music.

2570
02:39:28,760 --> 02:39:33,680
Speaker 9: I have a list of thoughts for the day that

2571
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:37,320
Speaker 9: should be used during these meetings that I have prescribed.

2572
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:44,279
Speaker 9: And I forget which number. Yeah, it's thought number thirty.

2573
02:39:44,879 --> 02:39:50,720
Speaker 9: The misogynists lyrics and black rap calling our sisters the

2574
02:39:50,800 --> 02:39:55,640
Speaker 9: B word, but they would never call Missy Anne the

2575
02:39:55,760 --> 02:40:04,440
Speaker 9: white you know, the woman of the same. So I

2576
02:40:04,760 --> 02:40:09,920
Speaker 9: would say here again, this is the a role that

2577
02:40:10,280 --> 02:40:14,840
Speaker 9: the parents of of the of our children should should

2578
02:40:14,920 --> 02:40:21,440
Speaker 9: be taking. All parents should monitor what goes in to

2579
02:40:22,120 --> 02:40:28,040
Speaker 9: their children's brains. Our brains are not garbage cans, and

2580
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:33,200
Speaker 9: we just put all kinds of nonsense in our loud

2581
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:38,560
Speaker 9: all kinds of nonsense to be dumped in. But a

2582
02:40:38,680 --> 02:40:47,360
Speaker 9: responsible parent is responsible for monitoring our children's brains. Now

2583
02:40:47,440 --> 02:40:52,439
Speaker 9: we know that we have to account for peer influence.

2584
02:40:53,800 --> 02:40:56,840
Speaker 9: What you might do is, you know, any parent could

2585
02:40:57,959 --> 02:41:03,440
Speaker 9: sponsor a house party for their kids who are into

2586
02:41:03,560 --> 02:41:08,640
Speaker 9: this kind of rap music and and and during that

2587
02:41:08,879 --> 02:41:17,400
Speaker 9: party and quotes point out what is destructive to their relationships. Uh,

2588
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:22,480
Speaker 9: let's say two black women that these lyrics you want

2589
02:41:22,520 --> 02:41:26,600
Speaker 9: to call the B word. Also, you could mix during

2590
02:41:26,680 --> 02:41:31,480
Speaker 9: that same party. You know the old school loves songs

2591
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:35,080
Speaker 9: that that that he mentioned and introduced them to. Many

2592
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:40,120
Speaker 9: of these young people. When they're introduced to the old

2593
02:41:40,200 --> 02:41:44,240
Speaker 9: school songs, they like them. It's just that they never

2594
02:41:44,320 --> 02:41:47,680
Speaker 9: heard them. So you can use that party to introduce

2595
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:51,480
Speaker 9: them to a new kind of music which is really

2596
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:56,400
Speaker 9: old as well as you can introduce all kinds of music,

2597
02:41:56,560 --> 02:42:01,360
Speaker 9: including gospel or jazz that you may be into. Certainly,

2598
02:42:01,480 --> 02:42:06,960
Speaker 9: gossip has a far more inspiring message. And you don't

2599
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:14,680
Speaker 9: have to necessarily be all that religious to appreciate, uh,

2600
02:42:15,240 --> 02:42:18,880
Speaker 9: the message in the music in gospel music. So you

2601
02:42:19,480 --> 02:42:24,520
Speaker 9: can take control or at least attempt to take control

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02:42:25,240 --> 02:42:32,680
Speaker 9: over your children are are feeding on musically by getting

2603
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:41,200
Speaker 9: in there and introducing them to a different type of

2604
02:42:41,360 --> 02:42:45,600
Speaker 9: music as well as well as as well as rather

2605
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:52,959
Speaker 9: helping them to analyze the music that they are into better.

2606
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, Doctor Fox a twenty

2607
02:42:55,959 --> 02:42:59,360
Speaker 1: five after Professor Griff was with us yesterday and he said,

2608
02:42:59,360 --> 02:43:03,760
Speaker 1: there's a to white Professor Griff from Public Enemy, and

2609
02:43:03,879 --> 02:43:06,880
Speaker 1: he was saying that there was there's two white rappers

2610
02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:10,400
Speaker 1: who was rapping about lynching, about how great lynching is,

2611
02:43:11,160 --> 02:43:13,120
Speaker 1: and he says, if you close your eyes, you're thing.

2612
02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:15,360
Speaker 1: They were black, and this is the kind of music

2613
02:43:15,440 --> 02:43:18,320
Speaker 1: they want our children to adopt and start singing and

2614
02:43:19,480 --> 02:43:22,600
Speaker 1: helping their own demise. How do we combat stuff like that?

2615
02:43:23,320 --> 02:43:26,720
Speaker 9: You take control of the musicians, Just as I said,

2616
02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:32,480
Speaker 9: if you know that your children are listening to rap music,

2617
02:43:33,160 --> 02:43:37,600
Speaker 9: and even more specifically that particular song, you sit them

2618
02:43:37,640 --> 02:43:41,720
Speaker 9: down and you talk about it and why it's destructive

2619
02:43:41,959 --> 02:43:48,640
Speaker 9: to their brains and to any perspective relationships they would

2620
02:43:48,680 --> 02:43:56,680
Speaker 9: have with other black people. That's anti black ranting does

2621
02:43:56,800 --> 02:44:01,160
Speaker 9: nothing more than make them hate themselves, even trasts more

2622
02:44:01,240 --> 02:44:06,200
Speaker 9: than what they already do. So you control, and if

2623
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:11,040
Speaker 9: you're not the kind to parent that is inclined to

2624
02:44:11,160 --> 02:44:13,480
Speaker 9: do that, then maybe you shouldn't have the kids in

2625
02:44:13,560 --> 02:44:14,400
Speaker 9: the first damn place.

2626
02:44:15,440 --> 02:44:15,720
Speaker 3: Gotcha?

2627
02:44:15,720 --> 02:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I keep going back that twenty six. Theodore is checking

2628
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:23,640
Speaker 1: in from Washington, DC's online for Grand Rising. Theodore, your

2629
02:44:23,720 --> 02:44:25,760
Speaker 1: question for doctor Fox, Grand.

2630
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:27,840
Speaker 14: Rising, Gentleman, doctor Fox, I'm going to get your book.

2631
02:44:27,879 --> 02:44:29,680
Speaker 14: I haven't got it yet, but I'm going to get

2632
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:33,119
Speaker 14: your book. And I appreciate what you're saying. That springs

2633
02:44:33,240 --> 02:44:37,080
Speaker 14: me on to think better and do better as a person.

2634
02:44:37,440 --> 02:44:39,280
Speaker 14: First of all, I answer one of your question of doctor.

2635
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:44,040
Speaker 14: She wouldn't have fired hundreds of thousands of workers.

2636
02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:45,240
Speaker 5: That's right.

2637
02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:46,480
Speaker 6: Would She would not?

2638
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:49,640
Speaker 14: And this is a little deep. She would not have

2639
02:44:49,879 --> 02:44:54,440
Speaker 14: put in charge of the medical the medical agencies a man.

2640
02:44:55,000 --> 02:44:58,080
Speaker 14: And and and basically the deep part I'm talking about

2641
02:44:58,120 --> 02:45:01,360
Speaker 14: is this, they want to get rid the excess population.

2642
02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:05,040
Speaker 14: We're useless, they say, we're taking their money. So they

2643
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:08,039
Speaker 14: do this, and they want they will kill people will

2644
02:45:08,120 --> 02:45:12,560
Speaker 14: die from their medical while from their medical messing with uh,

2645
02:45:12,879 --> 02:45:16,640
Speaker 14: putting JFK in it because he has no no, no knowledge.

2646
02:45:16,920 --> 02:45:19,240
Speaker 14: And the thing about it. There's another book you might

2647
02:45:19,320 --> 02:45:21,080
Speaker 14: want to look at also. I haven't gotten this yet.

2648
02:45:21,080 --> 02:45:25,640
Speaker 14: It's called It's called It's a it's a book written

2649
02:45:25,680 --> 02:45:28,960
Speaker 14: by the guy I'm not sure I haven't name written,

2650
02:45:29,360 --> 02:45:33,760
Speaker 14: but it's a book about how the Christian white Christian

2651
02:45:34,920 --> 02:45:39,240
Speaker 14: right supports a man it's got to be he's not

2652
02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:39,800
Speaker 14: a Christian.

2653
02:45:40,400 --> 02:45:41,040
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, that's it.

2654
02:45:41,240 --> 02:45:41,360
Speaker 5: Uh.

2655
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:46,520
Speaker 9: See there again we have to exercise our own agency.

2656
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:53,480
Speaker 9: Are you here? Even these black newscasters and puntinents just

2657
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:59,119
Speaker 9: repeat the language of the Associated Press. These people are

2658
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:06,520
Speaker 9: not Christians, these crackers, these hate filled crackers. Even though

2659
02:46:06,879 --> 02:46:12,959
Speaker 9: they call themselves elist evangelists, they're not. And you, as

2660
02:46:13,040 --> 02:46:16,400
Speaker 9: a journalist, they are to be able to say that

2661
02:46:16,760 --> 02:46:23,200
Speaker 9: very confidently if they've read the scripture. So even calling

2662
02:46:23,280 --> 02:46:28,880
Speaker 9: them Christian is just reinforcing the idea that they have

2663
02:46:29,240 --> 02:46:33,040
Speaker 9: really something good to say, and they don't. So I

2664
02:46:33,160 --> 02:46:37,359
Speaker 9: agree with that they're not. Uh, these newscasters and certainly

2665
02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:43,560
Speaker 9: black pundits need to stop calling them, you know, white

2666
02:46:44,680 --> 02:46:49,119
Speaker 9: rite or whatever evangelists. Or Christians. You can simply say,

2667
02:46:49,720 --> 02:46:53,240
Speaker 9: since it is the job of the journalists to state

2668
02:46:53,400 --> 02:46:59,480
Speaker 9: the facts and the truth, you have no obligation to

2669
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:04,960
Speaker 9: give liars and hypocrites a platform. You don't. You just

2670
02:47:05,080 --> 02:47:11,160
Speaker 9: state that these are white people who call themselves Christian.

2671
02:47:11,720 --> 02:47:16,080
Speaker 9: Just add that little bit that call themselves, uh, implying

2672
02:47:16,200 --> 02:47:19,440
Speaker 9: that you know, if you read a scripture for yourself,

2673
02:47:19,879 --> 02:47:24,760
Speaker 9: you will see that they uh as, they couldn't be

2674
02:47:25,160 --> 02:47:32,039
Speaker 9: further away uh from the Christian doctrine. But go ahead, Yeah, I.

2675
02:47:32,040 --> 02:47:34,440
Speaker 1: Think we're lost here. But let me question here with Theodore.

2676
02:47:34,840 --> 02:47:37,360
Speaker 1: I should ask us, should have asked, uh, what do

2677
02:47:37,480 --> 02:47:37,680
Speaker 1: we do?

2678
02:47:37,879 --> 02:47:38,080
Speaker 3: Doc?

2679
02:47:38,440 --> 02:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Has he mentioned that, you know, they say they're taking

2680
02:47:40,640 --> 02:47:44,160
Speaker 1: their country back and some black folks in flux. Should

2681
02:47:44,200 --> 02:47:47,040
Speaker 1: we stay and fight them because we build this country,

2682
02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:50,120
Speaker 1: we're part of the fabric. We shed blood. Or should

2683
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:52,480
Speaker 1: we go to Ghana? Should we move or should we

2684
02:47:52,680 --> 02:47:55,119
Speaker 1: just try to, you know, get along to get along?

2685
02:47:55,680 --> 02:47:56,280
Speaker 7: What do you think?

2686
02:47:56,520 --> 02:47:58,360
Speaker 1: What's response the latter?

2687
02:47:58,760 --> 02:48:02,360
Speaker 9: We should never do, uh, go along to get along.

2688
02:48:02,840 --> 02:48:05,880
Speaker 9: That's what we're doing now and see how well that

2689
02:48:06,320 --> 02:48:10,440
Speaker 9: has worked out for us. It's really a matter of choice. Uh.

2690
02:48:10,760 --> 02:48:14,640
Speaker 9: The fact of the matter is is that this Western white,

2691
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:25,600
Speaker 9: wicked value system order has infected and contaminated the entire world.

2692
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:29,960
Speaker 9: So you're not gonna gonna find too much more libed

2693
02:48:30,360 --> 02:48:35,760
Speaker 9: liberty to too many any more liberated minds in Ghana

2694
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:40,119
Speaker 9: or any place else in Africa. They are as addicted

2695
02:48:40,200 --> 02:48:44,240
Speaker 9: to white as we are over here. And now, given

2696
02:48:44,360 --> 02:48:47,440
Speaker 9: the fact that we put so much, as you say,

2697
02:48:47,959 --> 02:48:52,440
Speaker 9: of our sweat and blood into this, all we need

2698
02:48:52,560 --> 02:48:57,560
Speaker 9: to do is to claim it. You don't necessarily have

2699
02:48:57,720 --> 02:49:01,600
Speaker 9: to move, but if we clear our mind, we would

2700
02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:08,360
Speaker 9: see the path uh way forward to claiming our right

2701
02:49:08,480 --> 02:49:15,560
Speaker 9: for uh place in this land, uh, which is more

2702
02:49:15,640 --> 02:49:20,879
Speaker 9: than than what we we have currently given the contributions

2703
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:25,480
Speaker 9: that we've made to building this land. So all we

2704
02:49:25,680 --> 02:49:32,520
Speaker 9: need to do, no matter where we're at, London, Ghana, America, UH,

2705
02:49:33,240 --> 02:49:39,320
Speaker 9: rather than the United Snakes of America. Wherever we find ourselves,

2706
02:49:39,600 --> 02:49:42,800
Speaker 9: we need to throw down our bucket where we're at

2707
02:49:43,160 --> 02:49:49,440
Speaker 9: and again this process of of of detoxifying our minds.

2708
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:54,360
Speaker 9: And once we do that, we will see very clearly

2709
02:49:55,160 --> 02:50:03,119
Speaker 9: the path toward our own liberation and freedom no matter

2710
02:50:03,160 --> 02:50:06,400
Speaker 9: matter where we're we're at in the world.

2711
02:50:07,440 --> 02:50:09,480
Speaker 1: Got you twenty eight away from the top of Vway,

2712
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Doctor Jeremy Fox, Larry's call us from DC's on line one,

2713
02:50:13,480 --> 02:50:16,039
Speaker 1: Grand Raging and Larry a question for doctor Fox.

2714
02:50:17,640 --> 02:50:23,000
Speaker 12: Grand rising to both of you, brothers. My question is,

2715
02:50:24,080 --> 02:50:26,400
Speaker 12: first of all, I want to say happy belated birthday

2716
02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:28,080
Speaker 12: to Donnie Hathaway yesterday.

2717
02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:28,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2718
02:50:28,760 --> 02:50:32,520
Speaker 9: I loved him, We really loved him. His voice was magical.

2719
02:50:32,920 --> 02:50:35,720
Speaker 9: Go ahead, my favorite artist.

2720
02:50:37,000 --> 02:50:39,800
Speaker 12: Speaking speaking of the music with the youngest, do you

2721
02:50:40,040 --> 02:50:47,440
Speaker 12: really are you saying there's speaking from their microscope, of

2722
02:50:48,040 --> 02:50:52,080
Speaker 12: their looking glass, of what they see. And I want

2723
02:50:52,280 --> 02:50:57,960
Speaker 12: you to speak on assadiscorp. That's first question I have

2724
02:50:58,160 --> 02:51:01,120
Speaker 12: livele in not a minute, and then could you break

2725
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:04,880
Speaker 12: down for this audience how words have been turned into

2726
02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:12,360
Speaker 12: cliches like by any means necessary, police state, martial law,

2727
02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:20,160
Speaker 12: the system of white supremacy, and number one fascism And

2728
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:23,480
Speaker 12: I'd like for you to just deal with fascism because

2729
02:51:23,520 --> 02:51:30,200
Speaker 12: the definition has changed from the nineteen seventy dictionary to now.

2730
02:51:31,080 --> 02:51:35,000
Speaker 12: So could you break down that word fascism? That is

2731
02:51:35,160 --> 02:51:39,160
Speaker 12: not no damn cliche word. It's a function and it

2732
02:51:39,280 --> 02:51:42,240
Speaker 12: need to be taken very seriously of the time. When

2733
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:43,840
Speaker 12: that's all I have.

2734
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:52,080
Speaker 9: Well, that was a lot, I'll begin with the word

2735
02:51:52,360 --> 02:51:54,000
Speaker 9: of fascism.

2736
02:51:54,200 --> 02:52:01,160
Speaker 7: Let me just for one second, all right, twenty six

2737
02:52:01,240 --> 02:52:02,680
Speaker 7: away from the top to.

2738
02:52:02,879 --> 02:52:12,920
Speaker 9: Grab something the I for forgot all that you had

2739
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:17,920
Speaker 9: several issues there. But if you want to begin with fascism,

2740
02:52:18,440 --> 02:52:25,000
Speaker 9: I can do that. I'm just trying to get something

2741
02:52:27,080 --> 02:52:42,080
Speaker 9: that I can. Let's see, okay, the and this is

2742
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:46,520
Speaker 9: the definition that I think most people are are using.

2743
02:52:48,120 --> 02:52:58,800
Speaker 9: Fascism and afar authoritarian and nationalistic right wing system of

2744
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:05,400
Speaker 9: government and social organization. My problem with oh right, you

2745
02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:09,200
Speaker 9: mentioned about throwing around all these terms here again, I

2746
02:53:09,879 --> 02:53:13,480
Speaker 9: think that's a good point, and that we're not using

2747
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:20,840
Speaker 9: our own power and agency to define terms for ourselves.

2748
02:53:21,240 --> 02:53:25,160
Speaker 9: It's like, if you have my book I Redefine power.

2749
02:53:25,640 --> 02:53:30,000
Speaker 9: Power is something that is intra psychic. It's not interpersonal.

2750
02:53:30,360 --> 02:53:35,640
Speaker 9: You have the power to submit to a fascist, but

2751
02:53:35,800 --> 02:53:41,160
Speaker 9: you also have the power not to submit. Now the consequences,

2752
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:46,320
Speaker 9: there are consequences involved in both. But you may have

2753
02:53:46,480 --> 02:53:53,120
Speaker 9: to die because you don't submit, but you'll die spiritually

2754
02:53:53,440 --> 02:53:57,000
Speaker 9: if you do submit. But you have to think that

2755
02:53:57,240 --> 02:54:03,920
Speaker 9: through for yourself. The question isn't for us. To my mind,

2756
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:09,520
Speaker 9: at least, this isn't so much fascism as I just

2757
02:54:09,959 --> 02:54:13,120
Speaker 9: defined it from the Western dictionary or red from the

2758
02:54:13,560 --> 02:54:20,200
Speaker 9: Western Dictionary. It's what we have always lived under, a

2759
02:54:20,360 --> 02:54:25,080
Speaker 9: fascist regime in this land. That's why a lot of

2760
02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:31,280
Speaker 9: the stuff that's going on we're not our right hold on.

2761
02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:32,879
Speaker 1: There, right that dog. We gotta step aside for our

2762
02:54:32,959 --> 02:54:35,080
Speaker 1: last break. I'll let you continue to explain to us

2763
02:54:35,080 --> 02:54:37,039
Speaker 1: about fascist and when we get back, it's twenty three

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02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:39,120
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top. They have family. I guess

2765
02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:41,280
Speaker 1: it's doctor Jeromy Fox. He's the author of the best

2766
02:54:41,320 --> 02:54:44,119
Speaker 1: selling workbook Addicted to White, The Old Pressed in league

2767
02:54:44,160 --> 02:54:46,520
Speaker 1: with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance. We'll take your

2768
02:54:46,520 --> 02:54:49,400
Speaker 1: phone calls for him next and grant rising family. Thanks

2769
02:54:49,440 --> 02:54:52,040
Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday morning here or

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02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:55,120
Speaker 1: the second day of October twenty twenty five. I guesked

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02:54:55,440 --> 02:54:57,760
Speaker 1: doctor Jeromy Fox. Before we go back to doctor Foster,

2772
02:54:57,920 --> 02:55:00,800
Speaker 1: remind you tomorrow's a Friday, of course, and we're give

2773
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:02,360
Speaker 1: you another chance to free your mind and all that

2774
02:55:02,440 --> 02:55:05,120
Speaker 1: means we'll be talking about all morning. Think for yourself.

2775
02:55:05,480 --> 02:55:07,480
Speaker 1: Reach out to us our open for on Friday program

2776
02:55:07,640 --> 02:55:09,880
Speaker 1: game promptly at six am Eastern time right here in

2777
02:55:09,959 --> 02:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV

2778
02:55:13,280 --> 02:55:17,240
Speaker 1: on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WL.

2779
02:55:17,280 --> 02:55:19,320
Speaker 1: And again, please don't wait to the last minute. There's

2780
02:55:19,320 --> 02:55:21,080
Speaker 1: always a bunch of folks who can't get on. We'd

2781
02:55:21,080 --> 02:55:22,600
Speaker 1: love to hear from you one, find out what's going

2782
02:55:22,600 --> 02:55:24,400
Speaker 1: on in your neighborhood, what's going on in your thoughts?

2783
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:26,360
Speaker 1: Are some of the critiques you had some of the

2784
02:55:26,400 --> 02:55:28,400
Speaker 1: guests that we had this week. Yeah, so make sure

2785
02:55:28,400 --> 02:55:30,760
Speaker 1: you call us tomorrow morning, start at six am Eastern time.

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02:55:30,879 --> 02:55:34,720
Speaker 1: All right, doctor Fox. The question, the last question about fascism.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, let me just say that it's a term that

2788
02:55:43,120 --> 02:55:52,280
Speaker 9: I guess was first used to describe Mussolini in Italy

2789
02:55:52,760 --> 02:55:53,600
Speaker 9: and then.

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02:55:56,240 --> 02:55:56,520
Speaker 15: As a.

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02:55:58,200 --> 02:56:05,720
Speaker 9: Description of his Nazi friends in Germany. But typically fascism

2792
02:56:06,600 --> 02:56:14,480
Speaker 9: includes a belief in the supremacy of one uh national

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02:56:14,840 --> 02:56:23,240
Speaker 9: or ethnic group, and a contempt for democracy and and

2794
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:33,400
Speaker 9: and and a insistence insistence on obedience to a powerful leader.

2795
02:56:35,240 --> 02:56:40,520
Speaker 9: And if you listen to that description, when have black

2796
02:56:40,680 --> 02:56:45,720
Speaker 9: people not been under that kind of system in this land?

2797
02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:50,520
Speaker 9: That's why I mentioned sister of Shakur, That's why she

2798
02:56:50,840 --> 02:56:58,160
Speaker 9: fled to Cuba under a fascist regime, a regime here

2799
02:56:58,800 --> 02:57:02,400
Speaker 9: in the United Snakes of America. That's why I when

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02:57:02,480 --> 02:57:08,720
Speaker 9: I hear white folk, uh, you know, panicking with this

2801
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:15,160
Speaker 9: current uh fascistic idiot in the White House, I kind

2802
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:21,039
Speaker 9: of laughed because perhaps this is their first time being

2803
02:57:21,200 --> 02:57:26,520
Speaker 9: denied uh certain privileges, uh, when we we have never

2804
02:57:27,360 --> 02:57:33,600
Speaker 9: uh uh experienced the full benefits of the so called

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02:57:34,400 --> 02:57:40,200
Speaker 9: democracy of this land. So you know, I don't know

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02:57:40,280 --> 02:57:43,600
Speaker 9: if that kind of approach is answering his question, but uh,

2807
02:57:44,200 --> 02:57:49,120
Speaker 9: my perspective and what I feel our perspective as a

2808
02:57:49,400 --> 02:57:52,520
Speaker 9: as a as an oppressed group of people or should be,

2809
02:57:53,240 --> 02:57:57,760
Speaker 9: is that fascism is nothing new uh here. Again we

2810
02:57:58,280 --> 02:58:02,880
Speaker 9: allow a white media uh to tell us that we

2811
02:58:03,000 --> 02:58:07,880
Speaker 9: should all of a sudden be extremely concerned about fascism.

2812
02:58:08,840 --> 02:58:13,680
Speaker 9: We've been concerned about that sense our captivity and fighting

2813
02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:18,120
Speaker 9: against it. It's just it's new for white folk in

2814
02:58:18,240 --> 02:58:23,000
Speaker 9: this land, but not for us. That's why I think

2815
02:58:23,200 --> 02:58:28,240
Speaker 9: we ought to be more level headed and our approach

2816
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:33,880
Speaker 9: to this current uh regime, because we should should have

2817
02:58:34,160 --> 02:58:40,560
Speaker 9: more experience and dealing with a with a person like Trump.

2818
02:58:42,840 --> 02:58:44,920
Speaker 9: But you know, only I guess time will tell you.

2819
02:58:45,640 --> 02:58:45,760
Speaker 5: Uh.

2820
02:58:46,520 --> 02:58:53,240
Speaker 9: But we know how to fight back in a under

2821
02:58:53,480 --> 02:59:00,640
Speaker 9: a fascist regime, regis regime, because we've been fighting fascism

2822
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:05,879
Speaker 9: once again again, ever since we were dragged from our

2823
02:59:05,959 --> 02:59:09,039
Speaker 9: mother contentent over to these shores.

2824
02:59:11,360 --> 02:59:13,520
Speaker 1: All right, fifteen away from the top. Day, I got

2825
02:59:13,560 --> 02:59:15,920
Speaker 1: a tweet question from Louisiana Tweeter says that we just

2826
02:59:16,040 --> 02:59:19,039
Speaker 1: love doctor Fox down here in Louisiana. Ask him about

2827
02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:22,720
Speaker 1: the recent speech by Pete Hegseth, And given the feelings

2828
02:59:22,760 --> 02:59:25,120
Speaker 1: of the Maga movement to remove blacks from history and

2829
02:59:25,280 --> 02:59:28,400
Speaker 1: even from the military, why isn't there a big outcry

2830
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:31,320
Speaker 1: over the insult that these black military men who were

2831
02:59:31,320 --> 02:59:34,279
Speaker 1: sitting in the audience had to take from Trump and Hexath.

2832
02:59:34,360 --> 02:59:35,800
Speaker 1: And let me just add to one of the things

2833
02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:38,160
Speaker 1: they said that no more beards. You know, some of

2834
02:59:38,200 --> 02:59:40,320
Speaker 1: the brothers who have super curly hair, so some of

2835
02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:42,760
Speaker 1: that's where they have beards and they're you know, they're

2836
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:45,000
Speaker 1: given okay to have beards. That's what you see a

2837
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:47,720
Speaker 1: lot of people now, a lot of men wearing beards.

2838
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:51,240
Speaker 1: But so some of us brothers did because we was

2839
02:59:51,280 --> 02:59:51,880
Speaker 1: super curly.

2840
02:59:52,760 --> 02:59:58,400
Speaker 9: One person pointed out that the Mada people whose hero

2841
03:00:01,000 --> 03:00:06,680
Speaker 9: the Confederate General Lee had a beard, so and President

2842
03:00:07,080 --> 03:00:12,560
Speaker 9: Ulysses uh Grant had a beard, so all of that, Uh,

2843
03:00:12,840 --> 03:00:17,119
Speaker 9: it's just his own insecurity. He's uh, he's probably one

2844
03:00:17,160 --> 03:00:20,959
Speaker 9: of these white punks, uh when he was just young,

2845
03:00:21,360 --> 03:00:28,320
Speaker 9: feeling very inferior to his black uh associates. Uh, So

2846
03:00:28,480 --> 03:00:32,400
Speaker 9: that was nonsense. I was only hoping that those black

2847
03:00:32,480 --> 03:00:38,600
Speaker 9: faces in the audience where their loyalty really lies and

2848
03:00:39,959 --> 03:00:44,160
Speaker 9: which is with black people, and would we would not

2849
03:00:44,400 --> 03:00:48,600
Speaker 9: co operate with any attempt on the part of of

2850
03:00:48,959 --> 03:00:53,040
Speaker 9: of of hex Seth or or or Trump Trump to

2851
03:00:53,640 --> 03:00:58,360
Speaker 9: destroy us. We can only hope and in fact I said,

2852
03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:02,279
Speaker 9: uh in my last appearances that we should be encouraging

2853
03:01:03,760 --> 03:01:08,280
Speaker 9: our children to join the armed for armed forces. I

2854
03:01:08,320 --> 03:01:11,360
Speaker 9: would have never thought that in the past, just to

2855
03:01:11,640 --> 03:01:18,120
Speaker 9: be in the position, almost as spies, to be in

2856
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:23,520
Speaker 9: the position to stop any attempt to further destroy black

2857
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:28,200
Speaker 9: people people militarily. So we can only hope that they

2858
03:01:28,280 --> 03:01:33,640
Speaker 9: would do that. Other than that, I mean, and we

2859
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:36,640
Speaker 9: need to be I'm glad you mentioned that because all

2860
03:01:36,680 --> 03:01:41,120
Speaker 9: of this gathering of the truths I believe is in

2861
03:01:41,320 --> 03:01:46,080
Speaker 9: preparation for making that kind of move. So we need

2862
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:50,000
Speaker 9: to be very prepared to defend ourselves.

2863
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Speaker 1: Let me just put it that way and leave it there,

2864
03:01:53,360 --> 03:01:55,520
Speaker 1: twelve away from the top, facent looking at the time,

2865
03:01:56,200 --> 03:01:58,720
Speaker 1: you say there are five core wide values, and many

2866
03:01:58,720 --> 03:02:00,480
Speaker 1: of us are addicted to Can you also have been

2867
03:02:00,600 --> 03:02:01,440
Speaker 1: for us? Real quickly?

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Speaker 7: Dot?

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Speaker 9: Yes, Those five five white values can be found on

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Speaker 9: page nine, I believe. Let me turn to it in

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03:02:13,280 --> 03:02:16,560
Speaker 9: my book or page eleven, I think maybe yeah, Page

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Speaker 9: eleven beginning with white value number one, which brief briefly

2873
03:02:23,280 --> 03:02:28,960
Speaker 9: states that everything black basically is bad, that everything white

2874
03:02:29,160 --> 03:02:36,840
Speaker 9: is good. Unfortunately, our minds have been corrupted with that value.

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03:02:37,480 --> 03:02:41,360
Speaker 9: Uh uh. That's why you have the ojas and other

2876
03:02:41,480 --> 03:02:47,040
Speaker 9: people choosing seeing white female else over their own people.

2877
03:02:47,480 --> 03:02:52,640
Speaker 9: But any rate, white value number two, things are more

2878
03:02:52,760 --> 03:02:57,320
Speaker 9: important than relationships, and certainly money and the things that

2879
03:02:57,520 --> 03:03:03,360
Speaker 9: money can buy is far more important than relationships. And

2880
03:03:03,440 --> 03:03:09,200
Speaker 9: of course all these white uh presasors uh subscribe to

2881
03:03:09,400 --> 03:03:14,280
Speaker 9: that value, and we have adopted it as well. White

2882
03:03:14,360 --> 03:03:19,920
Speaker 9: value number three. White oppressors are trustworthy recorders and interpreters

2883
03:03:20,320 --> 03:03:24,560
Speaker 9: of history and reality. We've been talking about that all morning.

2884
03:03:25,320 --> 03:03:31,000
Speaker 9: Don't don't allow the white monsters to think for you.

2885
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:37,360
Speaker 9: White value number four. Individualism is better than collectivists, and

2886
03:03:37,520 --> 03:03:40,840
Speaker 9: so it's all about me, me, me me. These people

2887
03:03:40,959 --> 03:03:50,720
Speaker 9: who against the candidacy of Kamala Harris, they won't see

2888
03:03:51,440 --> 03:03:55,440
Speaker 9: the need for someone like that until their job is

2889
03:03:55,560 --> 03:04:00,840
Speaker 9: taken away. Right now is the brother men and three

2890
03:04:00,959 --> 03:04:06,480
Speaker 9: hundred over three hundred and nineteen thousands and black women

2891
03:04:06,600 --> 03:04:11,279
Speaker 9: and have lost their job from February to our believed

2892
03:04:11,600 --> 03:04:16,400
Speaker 9: July of this year under this president, over three hundred

2893
03:04:16,480 --> 03:04:20,840
Speaker 9: and nineteen thousand Black women, and that has ripple effects.

2894
03:04:21,800 --> 03:04:26,119
Speaker 9: Many of them perhaps be in the primary on bread

2895
03:04:26,400 --> 03:04:31,480
Speaker 9: winter for their household. They can no longer afford to

2896
03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:34,600
Speaker 9: send their kids to perhaps a private school or whatever,

2897
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:41,960
Speaker 9: and many other things. We would not be dealing with

2898
03:04:42,160 --> 03:04:47,440
Speaker 9: that right now, losing our health care any but me,

2899
03:04:47,680 --> 03:04:52,240
Speaker 9: me me until I feel it personally, I'm not interested

2900
03:04:52,360 --> 03:04:58,240
Speaker 9: in in other black people unfortunately, or other people period

2901
03:04:58,360 --> 03:05:01,400
Speaker 9: because a white street ball also or suffer from that

2902
03:05:01,560 --> 03:05:07,240
Speaker 9: same syndrome. Me me me narcissism in other words, and

2903
03:05:07,360 --> 03:05:11,480
Speaker 9: then to find a white value number five, Uh, the

2904
03:05:11,600 --> 03:05:17,280
Speaker 9: best way I can feel good about myself by surpassing

2905
03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:23,720
Speaker 9: outdoing and defeating someone else in an activity, achievement or

2906
03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:30,680
Speaker 9: personal characteristic hes sect suffers from that and unfortunately so

2907
03:05:30,879 --> 03:05:37,360
Speaker 9: do we, which prevents us from cooperating and with each

2908
03:05:37,400 --> 03:05:42,840
Speaker 9: other and univer find around this issue of securing our liberation.

2909
03:05:44,280 --> 03:05:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're always in competition with each other.

2910
03:05:46,200 --> 03:05:51,160
Speaker 9: That's always a competition, including the so called black activists.

2911
03:05:51,800 --> 03:05:58,320
Speaker 9: It becomes a competition of who who is blacker than? Now,

2912
03:05:58,760 --> 03:06:05,000
Speaker 9: you know, we're always looking to distinguish ourselves, which is

2913
03:06:05,240 --> 03:06:10,680
Speaker 9: related to a white value number four. It's always about me, me, me.

2914
03:06:10,840 --> 03:06:16,360
Speaker 9: In fact, all these values are interconnected white values. I

2915
03:06:16,879 --> 03:06:23,640
Speaker 9: got to stand out from among the crowd, right.

2916
03:06:24,080 --> 03:06:26,480
Speaker 1: I guess the A D answer then will be black unity.

2917
03:06:27,080 --> 03:06:29,760
Speaker 9: That's right. And that's why I just said that this value,

2918
03:06:29,879 --> 03:06:35,080
Speaker 9: this last one, prevents black unity because if I'm only

2919
03:06:35,560 --> 03:06:40,640
Speaker 9: interested in competing with you, I'll never see the value

2920
03:06:40,959 --> 03:06:45,200
Speaker 9: of joining forces, cooperating, unifying with you.

2921
03:06:46,920 --> 03:06:47,240
Speaker 3: Gotcha?

2922
03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:49,440
Speaker 1: Eight zero eight?

2923
03:06:50,400 --> 03:06:54,000
Speaker 9: You and envy prevents cooperation?

2924
03:06:55,200 --> 03:06:58,280
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Do s just the prairies online? Five con from Baltimore.

2925
03:06:58,280 --> 03:06:59,880
Speaker 1: It's just a prairie. You have a question for the

2926
03:07:00,600 --> 03:07:02,120
Speaker 1: doctor Fox? Can't make it quick for us?

2927
03:07:02,760 --> 03:07:06,280
Speaker 18: Yes, good morning doctor Fox. Mister Nelson, I'm not sure

2928
03:07:06,320 --> 03:07:08,840
Speaker 18: if you know that. Did you know that Mary Trump

2929
03:07:09,120 --> 03:07:13,480
Speaker 18: and one of President Trump's nephews David Trump Junior have

2930
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:16,800
Speaker 18: never gone along with his antiques interviews, and some of

2931
03:07:16,920 --> 03:07:19,720
Speaker 18: his family does not for him. His niece has a

2932
03:07:19,800 --> 03:07:22,119
Speaker 18: book out and his nephew was on the view last year.

2933
03:07:22,200 --> 03:07:25,400
Speaker 18: Do you think it if people knew about them and

2934
03:07:25,480 --> 03:07:27,240
Speaker 18: world where they wouldn't have worn it for Harris?

2935
03:07:30,600 --> 03:07:31,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2936
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:42,480
Speaker 9: Trump and the Maga folk are very much We're very

2937
03:07:42,720 --> 03:07:48,760
Speaker 9: loud and clear about what they planned to do. Uh

2938
03:07:49,080 --> 03:07:54,879
Speaker 9: if they ever got into office again and all all

2939
03:07:54,920 --> 03:08:02,040
Speaker 9: of us were able to hear them, and still some

2940
03:08:02,240 --> 03:08:06,520
Speaker 9: of us decided to either vote for them. Unfortunately a

2941
03:08:06,600 --> 03:08:10,680
Speaker 9: few of us and but too many of us decided

2942
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:16,160
Speaker 9: to stay home. So I don't know if anything would

2943
03:08:16,200 --> 03:08:22,480
Speaker 9: have gotten us to do to vote for Harris. Hopefully

2944
03:08:22,720 --> 03:08:28,160
Speaker 9: many of us now have our experience and exactly what

2945
03:08:28,360 --> 03:08:33,119
Speaker 9: Trump said he would do to us, and maybe will vote.

2946
03:08:33,320 --> 03:08:35,199
Speaker 3: This wrap.

2947
03:08:37,120 --> 03:08:42,480
Speaker 9: In twenty six November twenty six next year to at

2948
03:08:42,600 --> 03:08:48,680
Speaker 9: least convert the Congress to Democrats who can oppose him.

2949
03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:51,520
Speaker 9: Hopefully we've learned our lesson.

2950
03:08:51,920 --> 03:08:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll find out, but doctor Fosh four

2951
03:08:56,200 --> 03:08:57,800
Speaker 1: will let you go. How ca we ge accomplished of

2952
03:08:57,879 --> 03:08:59,520
Speaker 1: your book okay.

2953
03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:04,879
Speaker 9: In Baltimore, you can get the book at the African

2954
03:09:05,480 --> 03:09:13,520
Speaker 9: World Bookstore on twenty twenty second and seventeen two two

2955
03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:20,440
Speaker 9: seventeen Pennsylvania Avenue. Otherwise, you and contact your local Black

2956
03:09:20,480 --> 03:09:24,480
Speaker 9: bookstore or any bookstore and they can order it for you,

2957
03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:28,440
Speaker 9: or you can go to Amazon dot com and.

2958
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:31,480
Speaker 7: Buy it directly and title one more time.

2959
03:09:32,600 --> 03:09:36,520
Speaker 9: The title is addicted to White the Oppressed in League

2960
03:09:36,800 --> 03:09:41,039
Speaker 9: with the Oppressor, A shame based Alliance by doctor jerome

2961
03:09:41,160 --> 03:09:41,760
Speaker 9: E Fox.

2962
03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:44,760
Speaker 1: All Right, the Tyler book in the part I like

2963
03:09:44,920 --> 03:09:48,240
Speaker 1: that title, a shame based alliance. Wake up, family, Thank

2964
03:09:48,320 --> 03:09:50,880
Speaker 1: you doctor Fox, Thank you Mischaniel thoughts for us this morning?

2965
03:09:51,440 --> 03:09:52,040
Speaker 9: All right, thank you?

2966
03:09:53,040 --> 03:09:55,600
Speaker 1: All right, family, Classes dismissed for the day. Stay strong,

2967
03:09:55,720 --> 03:09:59,640
Speaker 1: stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning.

2968
03:10:00,040 --> 03:10:03,200
Speaker 1: Clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and

2969
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:06,040
Speaker 1: also in the DMV on FM ninety five point nine

2970
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Speaker 1: and AM fourteen fifty WOL