WEBVTT - Taxi Driver (feat. Nick)

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<v Speaker 1>The Frames per Second Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another episode of the Frame Second Podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>helped with the evening of My name is Mike with me.

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<v Speaker 2>I have Spike, What Up? Got Rod?

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<v Speaker 3>What Up?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Got ken Ola? And we got Nick. Anytime we do

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<v Speaker 2>some virtual shit, we try to drag Nick ass into

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<v Speaker 2>these shits. So what's going on? Nick? I'm good, I'm good,

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<v Speaker 2>glad to be here as always. Man. All right, so

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<v Speaker 2>today we are talking about, Oh, this is actually a

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary film, right, I forget how many years it was though,

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<v Speaker 2>does anybody remember fifty years? Fifty years? We're covering Martin

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<v Speaker 2>Taxi Driver. So I'm gonna go around the room, give

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<v Speaker 2>a light and I mean light short, short opinion of

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<v Speaker 2>if you like it or not, but also throwing there

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<v Speaker 2>if this is your first time watching it. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let guests go first, even though he's not really

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<v Speaker 2>a guest, but he's sort of Nick. You go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and go first. I'm gonna be honest, first time watching

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<v Speaker 2>it interesting, even though I knew most about the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a note for me, dog. Oh it's a no

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<v Speaker 2>for I'll go into it. But okay, all right, Rogers

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<v Speaker 2>went away. So while while he's fixing his video. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go ahead and go to Spike. Spike, was this

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<v Speaker 2>your first time seeing it? And did you like it?

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<v Speaker 2>First time watching it? And I did? I was not

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<v Speaker 2>mad at this hit all. I understand the hype around

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<v Speaker 2>it after watching it.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't believe it going into it, but after I

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<v Speaker 4>watched it, I get while it was so popular when it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was all right? And ken first time watching it? And

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<v Speaker 2>did you like it?

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's not my first time watching it. I've watched

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<v Speaker 5>it before, and I do enjoy the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like it, okay, and Rod is back Rod,

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<v Speaker 2>first time watching it? And did you like it? Nah?

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<v Speaker 2>This is?

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<v Speaker 6>This isn't my first time watching it. Yeah, this movie is.

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<v Speaker 6>This movie is great?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So this is definitely not my first time

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<v Speaker 2>watching it. I've seen this movie many, many, many times.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of my favorite Scorsese films. I think Robert

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<v Speaker 2>de Niro absolutely destroyed this role as one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best acting performances of all time. And we're gonna go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna break down the movie. I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>condense these notes, but you know we're not gonna let

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<v Speaker 2>Rod keep us here all night, So let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and get started, all right. So we are in New

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<v Speaker 2>York and we meet Travis Bickle played by Robert de Nier.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a Vietnam vet who's applying for a job as

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<v Speaker 2>a nighttime taxi driver. He lives alone, he keeps a

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<v Speaker 2>diary about how disgusting he thinks the city is, and

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<v Speaker 2>he visits porn theaters to occupy his mind. What are

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<v Speaker 2>y'all's first thoughts about Travis. I want to start with you, Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>since you didn't like this film. I like the way

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<v Speaker 2>this film was shot and it has New York as

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<v Speaker 2>a character, because I think that's me to me, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the highlights of the film. But Travis as a

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<v Speaker 2>character was boring to me. But I also know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at under the guys of twenty twenty six and

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<v Speaker 2>not in nineteen seventy six, so I get to see

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<v Speaker 2>like I see like the architect of this character in

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<v Speaker 2>other films that I've watched. But as far as me

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<v Speaker 2>watching this movie like as a newcomer, yeah, it took

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<v Speaker 2>me literally to like the third act to really even

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<v Speaker 2>get into the film.

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<v Speaker 4>Spike, what about you to one of the next points

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen this architect in other films. I just finished

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<v Speaker 4>binging you, and this dude was like a nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 4>nine Joe Obert like they of course this was you

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<v Speaker 4>as more today time, but it was the same premier,

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<v Speaker 4>same like base was there. So that kind of shaped

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<v Speaker 4>my mind for what I was about to get into,

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<v Speaker 4>because I was like, Okay, this is interesting. I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 4>how they're going to do this is in the seventies

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<v Speaker 4>versus me watching the twenty twenty six version kind of

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<v Speaker 4>this or twenty five or whenever that came out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was intrigued immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, for anybody that has video, I just

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<v Speaker 2>noticed spikes hat and I hate it. Nice but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think it's a nice but I knew exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what it meant what it said the second I saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on. I played golf, man, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know you did, But damn, Ken, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>of Travis Bickell?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think they did a good job early

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<v Speaker 5>on kind of giving you just enough background information on

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<v Speaker 5>his past, you know, with the Vietnam War thing, its

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<v Speaker 5>ability to not sleep and how just over time, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>lack of sleep can really mess with you, and you

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<v Speaker 5>combind that with you know, his his previous war experience.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if he experienced combat or anything, but

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<v Speaker 5>you know, things can go left pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So he just seemed like he didn't fit in.

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<v Speaker 5>And you can see that with his with his first interaction,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, with the guy that was during the hiring,

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<v Speaker 5>so it was clear that he was he was a

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<v Speaker 5>loner and just trying to readapt to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Rod, did you get something different?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, just pretty much the same as Ken. I did

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<v Speaker 6>like how they had like the new art style, but

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<v Speaker 6>just in like the seventies or whatever of him narrating

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<v Speaker 6>and everything and just him just you know, experiencing insomnia.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's why he, you know, took took the cab

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<v Speaker 6>job just to begin with. So no, I mean I

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<v Speaker 6>like how it started off with him, like the with

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<v Speaker 6>with that character. I think they started off strong with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. I think Travis Bickle is a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting character. I do agree and understand Nick and Spike's

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<v Speaker 2>point about you know, you've seen this character before, but

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<v Speaker 2>it came after this obviously. But I think the most

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<v Speaker 2>interesting thing about Travis is I assume he did see combat.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it ever actually says, but we see

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<v Speaker 2>those marks on his back later on, and judging by

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<v Speaker 2>the way he's acting, I assume he's seen some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of combat. But I like that he's just a walking

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<v Speaker 2>contradiction because he's like, the city is disgusting, it's full

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<v Speaker 2>of horrors and filth, but he constantly spends his nights

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<v Speaker 2>at a porn theater like it's a regular ass movie theater,

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<v Speaker 2>like dude has. Dude has no sense of what is

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote no more at this point, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>the way they introduced him is very interesting. But Travis

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<v Speaker 2>becomes infatuated with Betsy, who's played by Sybil Shepherd, who

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<v Speaker 2>works for Senator Charles Pallantine, and after being a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a stalker, he goes into the office and asks

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<v Speaker 2>her out on a date. What did y'all think about

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<v Speaker 2>his first date? Anybody can take this this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew he was crazy, like I thought it in

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning, But then when he took her to the

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<v Speaker 4>porn on the first day and thought it was that was.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't the first day that second date walking in

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<v Speaker 2>there and was talking to no, that was at the

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<v Speaker 2>diner diner date.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, they had that weird talk. Well, i'll talk

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<v Speaker 4>where y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Let y'all go.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I ain't getting nothing from that other than the

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<v Speaker 4>only thing I got from it is I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>Silver Shepherd used to be that bad for real.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to look up all this because I like,

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<v Speaker 2>these are a lot of famous people who had like great

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<v Speaker 2>careers started. So of course I'm like, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the who's who, and I'm like, hold on, that can't

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<v Speaker 2>be the same. I've seen that motherfucker before. That's not hers.

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<v Speaker 2>When I when I see that, I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me see how this goes. This confirmed that women

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<v Speaker 2>like bad boys for generations and generations because she looked

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<v Speaker 2>at that nigga knowing he crazy, but she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just never seen that nobody like you before. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just a walking contradiction. And he ain't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>take that, but I knew it. But as long as

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<v Speaker 2>she kept talking to him, he fucked with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's all I took from that. He didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>contradiction meant.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't seem like.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody else.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't take him as a bad boy. Person and

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<v Speaker 6>this I just he was just like kind of confident,

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<v Speaker 6>like built up the confidence to come and talk to her,

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<v Speaker 6>and just kind of just awkwardly confident. And I guess

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<v Speaker 6>it's the best way to said. And yeah, she was

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<v Speaker 6>intrigued by that. I get why she was intrigued. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he didn't seem crazy to me in that moment. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>he seemed like he was just really honest, you know

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<v Speaker 6>how people that that kind of just talked straight, just no,

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<v Speaker 6>just no filler, no nothing. That's just kind of how

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<v Speaker 6>I took him to be. And I think she seemed

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<v Speaker 6>like she respected that about.

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<v Speaker 2>The breakdown he did of her co worker. Didn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>crazy to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well he just was. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody straight shooters, straight suters that like you, I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it, but just him, I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's like, I bet he don't even know your

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<v Speaker 2>What did he say?

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<v Speaker 6>I bet he doesn't even know something? And she she agreed, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>he doesn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, you can just tell you the coworker, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a coworker who cares if he knows anything about her?

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<v Speaker 2>And we see him protect her early on when she

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<v Speaker 2>was when she noticed he was stalking her.

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<v Speaker 5>He clearly likes her too, you know as well, and uh,

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<v Speaker 5>he was he was definitely jealous of little boy, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, there was this edge to him that she

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<v Speaker 5>liked because Nick, you you mentioned the stalking point. She

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<v Speaker 5>saw him just staring at them earlier, and that in

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<v Speaker 5>that time, probably any damn time honestly is scary. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you got somebody just after winning just looking at you.

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<v Speaker 5>Then the guy walk out and he just peel off

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<v Speaker 5>like that, like that's that's not that's not right. So

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<v Speaker 5>then he comes up to you and then he.

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<v Speaker 4>And I took it that was his first time. I

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<v Speaker 4>just wanted to come in. What he said that that

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<v Speaker 4>did it seem like his first time?

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<v Speaker 2>You talked about you interrupted or I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, I didn't think about it till now about whether

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<v Speaker 5>that was his first time or not. I always took

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<v Speaker 5>it as as it was. But but if it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 5>then that that adds more credics to, you know, that

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<v Speaker 5>sort of bad boy edge. But him just coming in

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<v Speaker 5>being as direct as he is, that does give that

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<v Speaker 5>sort of like bad boy, you know, sort of thing

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<v Speaker 5>because the other guy was clearly a good guy, but

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<v Speaker 5>she didn't want him.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, the main thing that I took from that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation was what I just said a minute ago about

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<v Speaker 2>the walking contradiction. She said how he seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>prophet and a pusher and he seemed She said that

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<v Speaker 2>he seems like he's part truth, part fiction. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that she saw a bad edge with this dude.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's no way she saw this motherfucker staring at

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<v Speaker 2>her through a taxi window and was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's normal. I think what it was is she had

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<v Speaker 2>not experienced someone like him. She was used to these

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<v Speaker 2>button up ties, you know, basically lames, and here comes

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<v Speaker 2>this guy that's a little bit on the edge, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, I want to see what this is about.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So what did y'all think of the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that he had in in the taxi cab with Senator Palatine,

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<v Speaker 2>which was immediately followed up by his interaction with a

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<v Speaker 2>very young prostitute played by a very young Jodie Foster.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did y'all think of this part? All? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>That was I thought the taxi driver with the politician

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<v Speaker 2>being close to New York. I understand what he meant

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<v Speaker 2>by the filth. They still that's been a problem for

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<v Speaker 2>I guess since for fifty years, because it is New

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<v Speaker 2>York City is a city built on top of a

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<v Speaker 2>trash can, essentially. But I was more curious. I was

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<v Speaker 2>more curious to understand the politicians. But Mike and whoever else,

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<v Speaker 2>you all are more fans of the film, like his

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of what Travis was trying to say, or did

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<v Speaker 2>he even get it? He got it, he got it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll go laugh. I'll let y'all whoever wants to

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<v Speaker 2>take that up.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I was just saying that I thought that Jodie

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<v Speaker 6>Foster thing was crazy. I think she was actually twelve

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<v Speaker 6>in this film. I think she's playing a prostitute. She's

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<v Speaker 6>between twelve and fourteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I thought

0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.040
<v Speaker 6>that was crazy, and you could you can just kind

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<v Speaker 6>of tell so that. That's always been kind of weird

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<v Speaker 6>to me seeing her in that in that role.

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<v Speaker 3>Playing that as as an actual young girl. Sports the

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<v Speaker 3>politician stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The politician stuff is always.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of.

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<v Speaker 6>Confused me because on one hand, it seems like palatine.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it palatine? Yeah, Valentine, Palatine or whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>Seems like he had the same mission as Travis, but

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<v Speaker 6>for whatever reason, at some point he didn't see it

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<v Speaker 6>that way, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Being Travis or he being the Senator didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Travis didn't see it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, we'll we'll definitely get to that. But right, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>kenn Er Spike, did you take anything that you can

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<v Speaker 2>throw at Nick to make him understand what the senator

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<v Speaker 2>was doing?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think he was bullshit, and I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he was confronted with a potential voter, and Travis was

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<v Speaker 5>sitting there kind of you know, uh, speaking glowingly to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was I do have a question.

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<v Speaker 5>Who said that they didn't want to take the cab.

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<v Speaker 5>I kept trying to identify the voices.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the assistant Palentine. Palatine wanted to take the cab.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Palatine is a very typical democrat pretending to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the people. I'm taking cabs around and if

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<v Speaker 2>you notice the second guy of the cab who was

0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.000
<v Speaker 2>there photo op that's all it was about. He wanted

0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.360
<v Speaker 2>to be able to get out of the cab and

0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.960
<v Speaker 2>have people taking pictures like he's one of the you know,

0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 2>political just like us kind of thing. So I'm with Ken.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely think Time was bullshitting. He was listening. He

0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't disagree with Travis. But I think what we're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to take from that is this is more of Travis

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<v Speaker 2>being delusional about thinking he knows what's best for the

0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:16.440
<v Speaker 2>city he's at there's filth and there's scum. But then

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<v Speaker 2>when he's confronted with the filth and the scum, with

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<v Speaker 2>the pimp trying to drag this fucking preteen prostitute out

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<v Speaker 2>of the truck or out of his cap, he does nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing at all. So I've always found that to be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna start with you, Spike. Uh oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>got a face.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't come up to later, but I do

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<v Speaker 4>want to remember that you said that later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna start with you because you already kind

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<v Speaker 2>of alluded to this the second date. This retakes it

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<v Speaker 2>to a point theater, What did you think of this?

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<v Speaker 4>It was weird, and I think they did a good

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<v Speaker 4>job of framing it in the sense of where his

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<v Speaker 4>mental space was and what reality was. As you mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>in in the beginning, Mike, because he thought this was normal,

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<v Speaker 4>Like he couldn't believe that she wanted to get up

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<v Speaker 4>and walk out of this. He thought this was just

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<v Speaker 4>like a regular everyday experience, So the fact that he

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<v Speaker 4>was surprised by her reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>May be more interesting in where this was going.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you, Nick?

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<v Speaker 8>I thought that these scenes was hilarious when he was

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<v Speaker 8>in the theater, especially when he first when we see

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<v Speaker 8>him going the first time, where he buying popcorn and candy,

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<v Speaker 8>but he's trying to holler at the stewardess.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, do I need to get my manager?

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, nah, you ain't got to do all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye give me.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, we got what we got. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was funny, but also, uh, the date itself, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>surprised she even allowed she even allowed herself to go inside,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what she already knew about the place, and to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where I was confident that he knew what

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking about, because he made it seem like, oh, no,

0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just some sex in there, but it's actually a film.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm watching this ship and I see the like

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<v Speaker 2>these motherfuckers is just fucking So I was like, oh,

0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.240
<v Speaker 2>he's crazy, he's insane. That she just figured out so

0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 2>she had to. I was like, girl, I wouldn't even

0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.000
<v Speaker 2>sat down. She sat down and everything. I'm like, Nigga,

0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:19.520
<v Speaker 2>this that's probably the most comfield theater and and and

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<v Speaker 2>and Travis, like you mentioned talking about all that film

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.280
<v Speaker 2>that Nigga was lounging around like it was his living

0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.200
<v Speaker 2>room in that damn theater. So I was like that

0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.119
<v Speaker 2>that those scenes were like hilarious. The fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>was just so out of it to even understand that

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a good first date or official first date.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, that's that's super wild.

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<v Speaker 2>I really.

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<v Speaker 6>Come with you on, Like I don't even know to

0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.440
<v Speaker 6>understand like why she sheknew. I mean, once you get

0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:46.840
<v Speaker 6>in front of the theater, you know where you're going.

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<v Speaker 6>At this point, I don't understand, like why she even

0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.480
<v Speaker 6>sat down in this moment, you know what this is.

0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.760
<v Speaker 6>But she did get up very quickly once she would

0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.800
<v Speaker 6>on the first clashes hit or whatever. But I did

0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.480
<v Speaker 6>like how she didn't back down out of it. I

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<v Speaker 6>thought she was just gonna kind of give him another chance.

0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.280
<v Speaker 6>But now she was out of there, she was she

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<v Speaker 6>was just like, nah, your ass is off, So I

0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.560
<v Speaker 6>ain't right she wasn't trying to.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought the only reason she gave him a chance

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<v Speaker 4>because she was intrigued by him, like y'all were saying,

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<v Speaker 4>And then he explained to her like Nick said, well wait,

0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.600
<v Speaker 4>it ain't just that. But then when she's seen it,

0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.200
<v Speaker 4>she was like, oh, hell nah, yeah, that's.

0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.760
<v Speaker 2>How I've I was taken too. That she she gave

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<v Speaker 2>him a shot because she was trying to see if, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he's telling the truth, maybe this is a regular movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But when she saw I mean, and I do y'all

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<v Speaker 2>gonna think I'm crazy. I do think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>quote regular movie with a bunch of sex, because that's

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that's how a lot of those weirdo foreign films are.

0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:48.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not just fucking like there is some weird ass

0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:53.200
<v Speaker 2>artsy story there. But she was just like, this feels awkward.

0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Then I'm on a second date with this dude and

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<v Speaker 2>he took me to a movie where it's a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of sex. That's why when she gets outside, she's like, like,

0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.160
<v Speaker 2>this is about as subtle as you just saying let's fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Because to your point, Mike, I saw the subtitles, I

0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 2>heard the narration in the background, I'm like, is this

0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 2>so weak? Or is this like like I couldn't I

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:14.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to call it. All I know is

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that some white woman was in a goddamn gang bang

0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was nothing but niggas in the theater. You

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<v Speaker 2>said nothing again, went to a theater like this? Was it? Like?

0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Was it weird?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you? I can't remember, it's been a minute. They

0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.160
<v Speaker 1>still have those around.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I don't think they do. Man, I've only been

0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.280
<v Speaker 2>to one of those once. You have to experience it, man,

0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you have to is it in the south. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>in the south, or like you and Cali or we

0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 2>were on tour. We were on tour and.

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<v Speaker 1>They definitely still got though. They got some here.

0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>See there he goes. He looks like I didn't know that,

0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 2>rubbing his faith too, Like I, I can recommend you

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:02.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple of.

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<v Speaker 1>I take you when we get done.

0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 2>What them called nice put exactly.

0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:12.960
<v Speaker 1>He got this.

0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:14.760
<v Speaker 2>He always got a hold in one and.

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<v Speaker 1>Three holes in one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Jesus, Oh, that's one of the films.

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<v Speaker 1>She was hot though. Man. She didn't even want the records.

0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:35.959
<v Speaker 1>She don't want ship. She was like, all right, now

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I got two copies.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, can you please take my good She's

0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 2>like already got it at home.

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<v Speaker 3>She was not trying to hear bro I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't blame her. I don't blame her, you know. I

0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 2>think this is like one of y'all said, this is

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.760
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful woman wanting a little bit of a bad boy,

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 2>but she has standards at the end of the day,

0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.199
<v Speaker 2>and Travis completely bypass those standards by taking her to

0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a place like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You also have to remember she works for the senator

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 2>who is I think he's trying to run for president.

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Say that's what he says, Like, yeah, because he was Yeah, so,

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's not a place that she can be

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.160
<v Speaker 2>seen at. So there's so many there's so many layers

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:06.119
<v Speaker 2>to why she was mad. But she completely stops talking

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to Travis. She's like, fuck this dude, even though he's

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:13.000
<v Speaker 2>calling her over and over again. So it's one of

0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.360
<v Speaker 2>my favorite scenes of the whole movie. So he storms

0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.600
<v Speaker 2>into the office where he's confronted by her coworker. So

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna start with you, Ken, what did you think

0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:24.120
<v Speaker 2>of what happens when he.

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Goes in there.

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.679
<v Speaker 5>It was very bold and bratch of him, and I

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 5>thought she was going to be like terrified of him

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 5>walking in there cursing everybody out like that, et cetera,

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 5>et cetera. And it was definitely the beginning of his

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 5>mental decline because every single approach, everything he's tried wasn't

0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 5>being returned. And you know, he realized the eraror of

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.679
<v Speaker 5>his ways, and he apologized over and over again, but

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 5>she wasn't trying to hear it. But he was in

0:22:55.480 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 5>the cussing everybody out, and and old Boy tried to

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 5>come over and talk ship like bro.

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Ready for this, hey A, I was saying what to

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 2>do when I nigga hit that come to action. Every

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 2>time I see that ship cracks me up. He's, hey,

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.159
<v Speaker 2>that ship was funny, bro, and he I don't know,

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 2>this is like one of the first like quotes that

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I was here. But it's always like, you know how

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the white man to be like, goddamn man. He kept

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 2>saying that too, bro, oh man. The funniest part I

0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 2>hate to laugh at this, but the funniest part, and

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if y'all caught it, but when

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>he when he finally walks out the door, there's a

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 2>woman that's on the door and.

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 7>She just.

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if that was like a mistake,

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>like if that really accidentally happened.

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>But that was me.

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see that every time too. Like that.

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 6>That absolutely. I don't think that was in the script.

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 6>It couldn't have been. It was just too real, exactly

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 6>what you're talking about.

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 3>She was too real.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I know I should have laughed in this either, but

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.439
<v Speaker 2>kidd when he was cussing her out afterwards, he was like,

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 2>who the fuck don't call back after somebody? You go

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 2>to hell and everybody crazy.

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 4>If she didn't think he was crazy before, then she

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 4>know you crazy?

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly. Yeah, But the the the narration before that

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 2>is really interesting because he's talking and he says that

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 2>he thinks he has stomach cancer, which is completely random.

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's just showing this like increased paranoia that Travis gets.

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And when he goes in there and he tells her,

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.719
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you're just like the rest of him. You know,

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 2>you're in a hell and you're gonna die, just like

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody else. It's like, God, damn. It goes from that,

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.719
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure the movie wasn't trying to make this funny.

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>God damn, fuck.

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<v Speaker 10>What the hell you got to walk up behind your chair,

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.719
<v Speaker 10>Lovie having Lovie having stomach issues?

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 2>God, let's move on ship, all right? So this part

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the very few times. For the very first

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 2>few times I watched this movie. This scene didn't really

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>hit until I got much older and saw why it

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>was important. But he gives a ride to a guy

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>who's spying on his cheating wife. Does anybody know who

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 2>that guy was? Played by Scorsese? There you go, so

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 2>he's played by Scorsese himself. So Nick sins, you're already talking,

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>what did you think about this scene? I was like Damn.

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Scorsese was young as hell in this movie, and I

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 2>knew as soon as he said it's some he gotta

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 2>be upset to the black man especial I do that.

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:44.719
<v Speaker 2>And but like you said, Mike, I didn't really know

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 2>how to take that scene. I don't know if this

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>was more of like Travis getting justification for how he

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 2>feels and what he will eventually do and later on

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>in the movie, or this is just more of an

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 2>example of what Travis keeps talking about as far as

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the filth uh in this city. But either way, I

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>thought that scene was just very much like I don't know,

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess to me, it was like answering some question

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:11.959
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know if I knew exactly what it

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>was yet.

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Anybody else, No, I don't.

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 5>I don't really have an idea about it outside of

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 5>him just being upset that his girls with some nigger. Yeah,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 5>but yeah that Yeah, I haven't really thought about it

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 5>on that much.

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 5>It just seemed like it definitely felt like it was

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 5>oddly placed. But yeah, I don't know, I think that

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 5>was I'll go ahead.

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 4>I seen something afterwards that made him make more sense

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 4>as I watched the recap of the movie than they

0:27:55.600 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 4>were talking about.

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 1>How said cheating I asked something. I didn't think anything.

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 4>I didn't think anything about it when I seen it,

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 4>which is why I want to go look and see

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 4>what it meant.

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>That's like, why is this random man? Shit didn't here?

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>But I won't spoil it since you don't want to know.

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, I haven't seen this YouTube. We'll go to you last,

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 2>because I want to see if they say something similar

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 2>to what I say or what about what Rod is

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 2>about to say.

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 6>Y'all are still broken up on my end, so I'm sorry.

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 6>It's like, like really it's hard. It's hard to hear y'all.

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 6>But but yeah, so yeah, I just think it was

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 6>it was just like a trigger for him to kind

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 6>of like set him off. He was already spiraling and

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 6>already thinking about like like harming people, and I think

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 6>when he saw that it was something that may make

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 6>him feel like, you know, maybe he could do something,

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 6>uh for the greater good or something like that, because

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 6>he felt like he was justified and what he gonna do.

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 6>So that's what I always felt like that scene played

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 6>a part on his mental breakdown.

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the way I the way I've always seen this,

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 2>and not always, but since I've been a little bit

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>older is when I was. When I was younger watching

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the film, I never really got the impression that that

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Travis was racist. But Travis is fucking racist. And the

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.479
<v Speaker 2>way you realize this is the way he sees people.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 2>So we're seeing the movie through Travis's eyes. And if

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you watch the way the movie is is pointing out

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>black people. They're always doing something fucking weird. Even the

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>guy that he works with that he's cool with, he's

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>like pointing the gun bow what you can assume he's

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>not really doing that because that's just fucking weird. Who

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 2>sits around like doing the gun fingers over and over again.

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>It's bizarre. There's a scene where he's walking down the

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>street camera if it was before or after this part,

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>but he sees this black after after the guy's walking

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>down the street and he's just bugging out, and the

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>way the camera is like shaking when he's walking, it's

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>giving you this impression that this is how Travis sees

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>black people. And we can definitely get to it, and

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>y'all know what see I'm talking about later on when

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>he gets to the convenience store. But what I got

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>from this scene is pretty much what Rod just alluded to,

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>which is this is the turning point for Travis where

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>he sees he's not crazy because this guy in the

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 2>back seat is like, my wife's up there cheating with

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>his nigger. I got this gun. I'm gonna fucking kill her.

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna kill her. I'm gonna put the gun to

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>her face. I'm aa blow her face off. I'm gonna

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>put it in her pussy. I'm a blow her pussy up.

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And he says to Travis, do you think I'm sick?

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>And then the camera shows Travis's face and Travis is like,

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>not really, bro, Nah, I don't really think you're sick.

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>This is Travis getting that confirmation that I'm I'm not

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the only one that thinks this way. He already got

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>it from Senator Palatine, because Palatine was like, yeah, I

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of feel you. Thank you for your opinion. Now

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>we as the audience see that Palatine is fucking bullshitting him.

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>But to Travis, Palatine is the real deal, which is

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>why he becomes so obsessed with him putting his fucking

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>uh his political posters in his house. But what we

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>also get is this is the moment that Travis realizes that,

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I need to be a vigilanti because

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I need to save this city. So that's what I've

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>always found interesting about this scene. So as you're saying that, Mike,

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna ask, like, why the fuck is the

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>representation in this film as far as the black actors

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>or the black characters, like so stupid? Like it was

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>it was like I was, like Martins says, he like

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>it was he intentional with that, because it came off

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 2>very offensive and for no reason because like a lot

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>of interactions aren't with black people, right, They're all around

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the city because it's New York City, so there is

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>representation of New York City and the diversity of it,

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>but like they're the way they're portrayed and how they're acting,

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>which is weird. So I'm glad you touched on that.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't think he but I didn't think he

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>was racist because until you mentioned it, because when he

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 2>talked about like early in the movie when he's getting

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the cab and stuff and he said the boss whatever

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>says where do you want to go? Like, what's what

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>areas do you want to deal with? He was like,

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll go anywhere, it don't matter. And then even in

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>his narration he talks about I go to Harlem, I

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 2>go this. I'm like, oh, okay. So he was like, I

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>even pick up what do you call him?

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Movie?

0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I think spooks. Yeah, So I was like, okay, So, yeah,

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>he's using horrible terminology, but it is the seventies. But

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, he's willing to pick up anybody,

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. So I was like, what is

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 2>this dude. I'm like, I can't really figure out his

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>character this yet. So you got to think about if

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the reason Travis takes his job is because his mind

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>won't stop wandering at night for him to sleep, So

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>he wants to be able to go and be out

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>driving and working in all hours of the night. You're

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>not gonna go to like the nicer parts of New

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 2>York and get someone to pick up at two o'clock

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. You are gonna get that in the

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>more dangerous parts of town. So I think that, and

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>also Travis, whether or not he wants to admit it,

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>he's attracted to the filthy parts of the city. Because

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>he is this walking contradiction. If you look at his house,

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 2>he lives in a fucking pig style. His house is disgusting.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 2>But remember in that first day, he brings up that

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>whole thing about the sign that says I want to organized,

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and he thinks it's like a joke or whatever, and

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>he even has that sign in his house. But his

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>house is a fucking mess. Travis is, he's completely mixed

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>up in the brain. And the reason I don't think

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that the movie necessarily showed black people in a bad

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>light is because you do get diversity. You get the

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>guy that he works with, who's an honest guy. He's

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 2>an honest guy that's just working to make a living,

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>but Travis sees him weird. It doesn't seem like he's

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>acting weird towards anybody else, but Travis sees it. And

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>he even borrows money from the guy. So it's like

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>this weird version of racism that Travis has where he's like,

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm surrounded by these type of people, but

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 2>there's like maybe one or two good ones. But then

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>he goes to the bad parts of town and you

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 2>see pimps, pushers, drug addicts, drug dealers, So Travis is

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>looking at these people like these are scum. That makes

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>sense because there was that scene with the woman and

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the little kid on the street, she was chasing him

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. I was like, what the fuck

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 2>is going on with this shit?

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.879
<v Speaker 5>But okay, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I think it's

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 5>definitely a reflection of the neighborhoods and certain neighborhoods of

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 5>New York. So I think it was being honest in that.

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 5>And you know, it wasn't a lot of black people,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 5>but I don't.

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Know if it.

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 5>I didn't feel the offensive part of it the way

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 5>you did, Nick, and because there weren't a lot in there,

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 5>and I think because they were in certain areas.

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of took it for what it was.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 5>And then you and You've also see like white people

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 5>doing the similar things as well. The thing about the

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 5>him point of the gun, Mike, I just always took

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 5>that as like foreshadowing when he called him a killer,

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 5>And I also took that as him kind of poking

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 5>fun at him or knowing that he was in the

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 5>military in Vietnam. And I think that's why I always he

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 5>was just kind of referring to that and just kind

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.760
<v Speaker 5>of poking at him, you know, poking fun out of him.

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 11>For that sort of thing, and then foreshadow of what

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 11>was to come and the offense I took. And I know,

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 11>LOUI got you want to speak on this too. Defence

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 11>I saw was like the way the black people were trade.

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Like even the cab colleague he had, it seemed like

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>he was black and lazy at his job because he

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't really say shit. He was just like sitting around.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 5>He's sitting around with the other white guys that were there,

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 5>but he was it just he just gave off for

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 5>like a like a a.

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Non compromary aloofness about him and his job. The obviously,

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>like you mentioned the pushers and the drug dealers, but

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>like that's those are what you would see in the streets.

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>But then when we get to the scene later on,

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like the thievery of the criminal the gangs, Like

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>it felt like it was just like showing stuff that

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.879
<v Speaker 2>white people would assume that's how black people were in

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the seventies or like out and about in the streets.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>So we'll definitely tackle that. But if you also look

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>at the fact that that guy was a thief, sure

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 2>he tried to rob a convenience store with the gun. Sure,

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 2>but what is the worst crime of this movie the

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>fact that somebody is pimping out a fucking twelve thirteen

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>year old girl. And who's that being done by white people?

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>So this is this is I feel like what Tarantino

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>wishes he could do is capture the racism without being

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 2>racist himself. I think scor Sesse actually does it well

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 2>because he's like, look, this is how white people in

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 2>this time saw black people. But when you really dig

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 2>into shit, the people fucking committing the worst atrocities are

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>white people. You know, even when you look at the

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>dude that's that's that's in the back of the car

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about his wife cheating. She's cheating with a black guy.

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 2>But what's this guy talking about doing. He's talking about

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 2>killing her, putting a gun in her vagina and shooting her. Yeah,

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>that was nuts. So scor Sesse is so fucking good

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 2>at this where he's like, look, these motherfuckers are racist.

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna show you that that these people do exist.

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>But the worst motherfucker in this movie the white people.

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:04.760
<v Speaker 1>But you got lou.

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, the pimp, the pimp was originally cast as

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 4>a black man in a production house.

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh, he was written in the script as a black man.

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 4>The production house made them change it, and he was

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.959
<v Speaker 4>written as a racist as well, Travis, And they made

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 4>them change it because they didn't want to riot outside.

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 4>So that that that helped me understand that scene in

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 4>him being a racist.

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've never heard that. I don't know who

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:34.959
<v Speaker 2>the YouTuber is that you saw.

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 4>I seen it in two places, not a ship, not

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 4>seeing in two places. The pimp was Originally they got

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 4>the famous dude who played the pimp. Now they got

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 4>him blasted out because they thought it would be too

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 4>controversial for the pimp to be black.

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Mmmm.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>But everybody else a rich white.

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 4>No, they had they changed that in the script too,

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 4>But you said, we'll get to that later. So everybody

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 4>was black. I'm a lot the villains, all the villains,

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 4>that's what you say. Everybody are you talking about, like

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 4>the pimp, not the guy, not the guy that you're

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 4>talking about, but the pimp, and then everybody associated with

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 4>him was black in the original script.

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting because when you've listened to SCORSESEI talk about

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 2>this film, that's not the impression that he gave at all. Huh. Interesting, Well,

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 2>last point before you move on, I will say, kid,

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you laughed at the cabbies and

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 2>their stories about the customers.

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 7>What got on the midgets like, yeah, they like to

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:42.879
<v Speaker 7>they always like to feel taller us, like to pick

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 7>him up or something.

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Like these motherfuckers pieces of ship. They ain't me talking

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>about anything. Well, you know, midges didn't have rights back then,

0:39:55.280 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 2>so for little people, sorry, didn't have rights back then. Oh,

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Spike left to go watch some more of his little

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>YouTube video. He'll try to drop dollargs on you by

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 2>me if what Spike is saying is true, and that's

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 2>really interesting to me, Actually it is. That's again, that's

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the feeling that I got. I was like, bro, like

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>what you were saying, Lou as far as like the

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 2>portrayal of black people to fail if they were if

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 2>they would have went with that original script, obviously, I'm like, oh,

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>this is like too heavy handed.

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>But you asked him to change it.

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>If that is true, I still don't know that it

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>all the way changes the point of it changes my

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>point that I said a few minutes ago. But I

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know that necessarily changes the point about SCORSESEI and

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the way he casted or the way he wrote Travis

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>as being or depicted Travis as being racist. But I

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 2>would actually be interested to see how this would have

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 2>hit if the pimp and everyone surrounding him was black.

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I assumed they still had Jodi Foster, so his horse

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 2>were still white. So I'm sure Travis would have seen

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>that as the ultimate in the issue, You're a black

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 2>pimp pimping out young white women. That probably would have

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>been a bit too heavy. Yeah, so I'm glad they

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.880
<v Speaker 2>changed that. But so after this, Travis meets up with

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 2>easy Andy and buys a gun. Then he goes back

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and he builds all kinds of contraptions to assist with

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 2>like quick drawing the guns, and he also starts a

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 2>really rigorous workout routine and diet. So what's going on

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>with him in this in this scene, this is not

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the one y'all want to get to, but just the

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 2>whole workout and diet thing. What's going on with him here?

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 3>You just think about an arsenal.

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Did you say gun as a singular? Well, he goes

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 2>to him to buy a gun, But now I think

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>he was.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 12>Just like, well, shit, I'll take all these motherfuckers about

0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 12>the start a war.

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 6>No, this was I always liked like these these scenes

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 6>or whatever, just him you know, building a contraption and

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 6>you just really see how I mean, at this point,

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.720
<v Speaker 6>tapping into like his you know, war experience and things

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.600
<v Speaker 6>like that, and he's about to Okay, he's about to

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 6>be like a vigilante at this point. So uh, I

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 6>think we get some dialogue and him narrating at this

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 6>point as well.

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and then after that, that's when he starts to.

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 6>Go try to uh surveil, do surveillance on the on

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 6>the security detail for the politician, right, mm hmm.

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm always interested in like arms dealers and the people

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 2>that they deal with. So I feel like this is

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a side story of like the customers

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 2>of the motherfuckers who always armed the streets and you know,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 2>somehow these guns end up, you know, on the streets,

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 2>and this is the guy who actually does it. So

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the way he talks about these guns and how he

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 2>tries to connect with his cliss, like he was trying

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 2>to connect with Travis a little bit too as well.

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I always find those things interesting, So like this

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>was very like a standout scene for me as far

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.799
<v Speaker 2>as like seeing Travis like light up when he sees

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>all these guns and all this ship, and like his

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>imagination goes crazy as far as what he has to

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 2>do next.

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:20.359
<v Speaker 5>M hm, Well, and you know he's a Vietnam vet,

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 5>so he's he definitely would know how to use it all.

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.919
<v Speaker 5>One of the things that I found interesting was that,

0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, the guy was white, you know, you know,

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 5>and he's selling all these guns and to these people

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 5>so always because I think he's in sales or something

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.720
<v Speaker 5>like that. So I was like, here this guy walking

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 5>in too you know, you would look at him and

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 5>be just unassuming, just another white guy walking through the

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 5>city of New York, you know, getting out of the

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 5>cab and he's packed with fucking weapons.

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Bro in a fucking bake about.

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 5>To sell him to a guy who has intentions to

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 5>do horrible things with.

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Him, and he's just gonna go bout his day.

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 5>And then after that, the other part that I always

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 5>thought was interesting was he was like.

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Ship when he bought all of them, Like, well, Ship,

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>what you want drugs? I got everything you need? Bro got.

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 5>Okay, a fall, I got, I got I got syrup

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 5>and that, like said she for a while out you

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 5>might as well party.

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you too.

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I was just about to mention that King.

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 4>I was wondering what this was, preparing him buying all

0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 4>them guns with preparing us. I was wondering what the

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 4>payoff for that was gonna be. That's what that sam anything.

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I think what's what's going on with him

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 2>here is that he's actually preparing to be a vigilante.

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 2>He's you know, he changes his diet because if y'all

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>remember before this, he was eating fucking cereal and he

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 2>was pouring like liquor on it and then a bunch

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of syrup, I mean syrup sugar. He was, he was.

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 2>He was living like a black crackhead in the fucking

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 2>because I ain't never seen white people pour fucking alcohol

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 2>on corn flakes. I've seen some brothers do that, unfortunately,

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 2>So no way in real life, in real life, unfortunately. Yeah,

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I kind of wanted to taste it, but I didn't.

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.400
<v Speaker 2>They had the milk, and they're all wild to me.

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:30.839
<v Speaker 2>They had the milk and they're already and then they

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.839
<v Speaker 2>put jim beam over it, and I was like, what

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>on already? Corn flakes. Honestly, getting drunk while eating cereal

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>does sound interesting because it's like, you know, I mean,

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 2>because how much you don't look at me like that?

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Because it ain't that much different when people put jim

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 2>bean in coffee.

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 4>It's just a lot different. Sometimes. Who mixes alcohol with dairy?

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.879
<v Speaker 4>It's breadth insane everybody. That's that's a white Russian, that's

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 4>a you know, kolua bro. Like what you're talking about, y'all, we're.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 6>Talking about a child's breakfast of Christ.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't want hear nothing from you. You motherfuckers over

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>there creaking blood and ship in church make fun of

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>me for putting little liquor on my call flights. The

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:24.959
<v Speaker 2>thing that was agreed with Mike was the sugar, because

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>that bot a personal sized box of sugar and sprinkling

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>all like it was like, I don't know. That seemed

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 2>reminds me of that part in the fucking house party

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:40.839
<v Speaker 2>when they were making the kool aid. Look at all

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that sugar, like, girl's good, That's what I was thinking.

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 2>He was pouring all that sugar, but watching watching the

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>soul train. Man Travers didn't talk with black people, but

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 2>he fucked with black people.

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Did so.

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 2>After this we get the scene where he's kind of

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 2>talking to the Secret Service guard at the Senator Palatine rally.

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 2>But following this, when he goes back home, we have

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 2>the most famous scene of the entire film.

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 2>This is where he is practicing of what he's going

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>to do to a nigger in the mirror. Bro He's like,

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:31.959
<v Speaker 2>I wish a nigger would What you'll think of the scene, Yeah,

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 2>I kind of, man, you're talking to me, talking to

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:42.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't see nobody else in here. It's just so hard.

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 13>And then when he was just doing this ship that

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 13>was that was the funniest thing to me, right, And.

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 14>I like how he acted like he was like, okay,

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 14>I let this. I'm like this stick of DUTs.

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Did he jump on the bed and do that ship?

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was practicing how he was going to get

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 5>the knife and the gun out and ship on the

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:14.839
<v Speaker 5>bed and ship like that.

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:15.479
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Hey, he was good though he made that little contraption

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in his arm. I don't know what ye man.

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I feel like I too. Like we started like

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 6>gradually cutting his hair off. I feel like that's a

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 6>military thing too, where his hair was getting lower and

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:33.280
<v Speaker 6>to the point where he just did a full mohawk.

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure it was crazy.

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 6>White boys back in the military that had them fucking hairstyles.

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:40.560
<v Speaker 6>So I think he was reverting back to like a

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 6>time when he was in that state.

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:51.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and you know, I don't know this, but I was.

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Was that ad lib? Did he just make all that

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>ship up?

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:53.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 4>Research that's a good question.

0:48:58.080 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually gonna looked that up.

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>He probably did. I mean, they were probably it was

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 2>probably a little bit, but then de Niro just kind

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>of went off the rails with it. But this is

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the go ahead.

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 6>Well her scor sa she don't doesn't do a lot

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 6>of improv stuff. He likes to stick straight to his scripts.

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 6>He don't like people doing improv. So it probably was

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.360
<v Speaker 6>written that way. Man, what I've heard about scor Sacy.

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if he was always like that, but

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 6>I know later on scor Sacy he he like, do

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 6>not mess up my script, even like the biggest like.

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Especially with the party. The party he got heard.

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.919
<v Speaker 6>I think, uh, Leonardo was talking about it and Matt

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 6>Damon and they were talking about, Yeah, he doesn't.

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Like you to straight away from his script.

0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 4>Jack Nicholas part was sumprovised and that was its famously

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 4>known that he improvised the whole thing.

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 2>But the yeah, yeah, I was I was gonna let

0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you finish, but you spiked on d like that.

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Rober I didn't say nothing. Nick.

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 2>They got both of us love don't do that. But

0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that dialedold scene with with Jack Nicholson when he was

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I forgot who he was talking to his girl or

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.879
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Somebody they said, that's not that wasn't

0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 2>in the script at all. But but Rod's not crazy.

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that too, that Scorsese does not like people

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:30.799
<v Speaker 2>to kind of venture off. But I'm sure he made

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 2>an exception because it's fucking Jack Nicholson. But this is

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 2>one of his first films. This is like his third

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 2>fourth film, so he probably and he didn't write it.

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Somebody else wrote the script, so he probably was just like,

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't really care that much. And and I'm sure

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 2>it also had to do with the fact that this

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>scene was so good it seemed incredibly natural, Like when

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I watched this scene, this really does feel like some

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 2>crazy ass white man that they he's gonna go take

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 2>over New York. So I don't know, I will say

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:09.120
<v Speaker 2>before you move on, Mike, the scene with the Secret

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Service agent, what's hilarious. He was like, you, if you

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.240
<v Speaker 2>want to sign up, to give me your address and

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll say the information. I was like, okay. I was like,

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how crazy we're gonna see all that,

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>but if you give him his real name and ship,

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he's a dumb ass. But he yeah, he didn't.

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.080
<v Speaker 1>But I think the okay, so you guys think the Secret.

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 5>Service agent was was just taking notes and aware to

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 5>look out for him later.

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think he was completely bullshit and he

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 2>was not gonna get that man a job. He thought

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 2>he was fucking weird. So he was like, oh yeah, man, yeah, sure,

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.800
<v Speaker 2>what's yours? Okay cool? And he's probably like, okay, I'm

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 2>gonna have somebody investigate this motherfucker. And he gave me

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the right.

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 5>Address, and when he got the wrong one, he definitely

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 5>probably put him on how alert, you know, the lookout

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 5>for him.

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So the next scene is a very controversial scene, and

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 2>this is the scene at the convenience store. I'll start

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 2>with you, Rob, what did you what did you think

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>of this scene?

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 3>This scene, so I didn't like I didn't necessarily like

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:19.800
<v Speaker 3>this scene.

0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 6>I understand why it was controversial, and it just kind

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:26.839
<v Speaker 6>of lends to Spike saying that about you know, the

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 6>pimps being black. I like looking at that, I could, man,

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 6>it does make sense that they had to probably change

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:37.120
<v Speaker 6>it up to where it wasn't so much violence against

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 6>black people, but it's still because it was written a

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:42.879
<v Speaker 6>certain way, you still kind of felt it.

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I.

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.879
<v Speaker 6>Always hated this, and then then the convenience store got

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 6>kicking him or beating him, like get him afterwards he's

0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 6>clearly clearly dead.

0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that that always like rubbed me the wrong way.

0:52:55.400 --> 0:53:00.719
<v Speaker 2>But you know, yeah, yeah, I never I never liked

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 2>that scene. Spike, what you think.

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:08.839
<v Speaker 4>I thought they were gonna start hitting down towards him

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.319
<v Speaker 4>being violent against black people, similar to Rods thing.

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I did, did sto have to be black?

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:15.319
<v Speaker 4>And then you beat the shit out of him too

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 4>after you clearly shot him and didn't even have them

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 4>rob in the store. Just it goes to what Nick

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 4>said earlier and what Rodgers said of how they were

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 4>portraying black people in this film. This is when I

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 4>really started to notice it, and that's what made me

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:27.600
<v Speaker 4>look it up.

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 1>At the end, I was like, this kind of kind

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of racist. This feels kind of racist, but I can't

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:39.360
<v Speaker 1>really put my finger on it. So interesting, Uh, Nick, Yeah.

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean he just shoots him without any hesitation. I

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 2>think this is the first kill that we see him

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 2>doing the old film. And of course it's against black people.

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And then as an audience member, if I wasn't black,

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 2>people will say that's justified because he was robbing the

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 2>convenience store. And not only was he robbing a convenience store,

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 2>he's robbing his friend because de Niro comes in and says, hey,

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 2>how you doing. Even you know, the guy greets them

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and everything, so you seem like they're familiar with each other.

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.360
<v Speaker 2>So this is like a local store, so it seems

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 2>like again de Niro is doing the right thing, you know.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:14.759
<v Speaker 2>And then but then like the beating at the end,

0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 2>it was just like not only the beating at the end,

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 2>but the convenience store owner letting him go and say

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 2>like just get out of here. You did your job,

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you did a good thing. I'm gonna protect you. You

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.759
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. It's just it was it was

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 2>just like all right, what like I got to see

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 2>how this film ends, because at this point, I'm like,

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the fuck I'm like, I don't

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:34.279
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm I'm feeling things I shouldn't feel because

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>this is such a classic film, wondering why people look

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 2>at it in high regard because this is a piece

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 2>of shit scene.

0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.800
<v Speaker 5>I would love to know what black people thought, those

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 5>that watched it back back in the seventies. You know,

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 5>we're you know, times have changed a lot now and

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:54.320
<v Speaker 5>we kind of look at things differently.

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:54:56.520 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't take it as a racist or anything like that.

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:05.759
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think when you're in a bad neighborhood

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:09.840
<v Speaker 5>in that way, there are reasons why they're there because

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 5>of you know, systemic racism and all the other stuff

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:14.360
<v Speaker 5>that you can add on. So there could be a

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 5>larger conversation that we had that we have about that.

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 5>But for me, you know, this was the first act

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 5>of violence that I saw towards a black person, and

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 5>the reaction by the owner was violent in that way

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.359
<v Speaker 5>because he mentioned that this was the fourth or fifth

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 5>time it happened that that month or that year or

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 5>something like that, So over the top, yes, but he

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:44.200
<v Speaker 5>validated it with the reasons why he was frustrated, and

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 5>him killing for me was a sign of him finally

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 5>getting getting a chance to act out in violence in

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:55.080
<v Speaker 5>a way in his mind that was justified, and probably setting.

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Up like.

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 5>This weird sort of test run to get to the

0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 5>palatine that he was gonna kill because he was gonna

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:06.239
<v Speaker 5>kill a white guy, you know, later on that was

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 5>his main objective, was to kill a white guy who

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 5>was running for president or whatever.

0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I never.

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:17.960
<v Speaker 5>Really looked at the racist elements of it, you know

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 5>when I when I watched it.

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this this scene is definitely a hard one to swallow.

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the movie itself is racist. For this scene,

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:38.279
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think that Travis is supposed to be It's

0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be implied that he is racist because he

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:45.240
<v Speaker 2>sees the guy robbing the store. He could have easily

0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.840
<v Speaker 2>just been like, all right, man, put your gun down whatever,

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever he was dying to kill somebody. Travis could not

0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 2>wait to kill someone face the second he saw the dude.

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:04.719
<v Speaker 2>When the dude turned around, bow immediately immediately. Is it

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>racist that the shop owner then hit him with a

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking a bat after he was dead. I don't know

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 2>if that's racist. If a motherfucker came in my store

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 2>pulled a gun onto me, I might fucking whip his

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 2>ass a little bit after he was dead too. I

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 2>don't go that's right. I want you to go to

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 2>hell remembering what happened in my motherfucking store. God damn it,

0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:35.920
<v Speaker 2>the scene just looked weird to me. The way the

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 2>dude was just like slumped over, and the fact that

0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 2>he like propped him up and set him up against

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the counter before hitting him, and he's just it's such

0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 2>a weirdly filmed scene that it always just makes me

0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:55.480
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable from like a racist standpoint, because it feels like

0:57:55.800 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 2>the fucking store owner that felt like he enjoyed hitting

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:02.280
<v Speaker 2>that black man while he was dead and on the

0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:05.560
<v Speaker 2>ground like that. So I give it that it felt real.

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:10.320
<v Speaker 2>It definitely felt real shot to me. What made damn.

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.240
<v Speaker 4>No, I just agree And the way it shot it

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 4>looked like a documentary. Mike, you just stopped in the

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:16.720
<v Speaker 4>MIDI sentence.

0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I heard you, I heard you start talking, and I

0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 2>want you to get it out. I'm the host man,

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 2>so y'all are more important than me, So just get

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it out.

0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:26.680
<v Speaker 4>Now I'm just agreeing with you and Rod did it

0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.160
<v Speaker 4>felt like a documentary that scene, that shot, That's.

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>What it looked real.

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna mute myself.

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I don't mine.

0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 5>I do agree with you, Mike that he was he

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:45.120
<v Speaker 5>was definitely itching to kill someone, and you know, this

0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 5>guy just happened to give him an opportunity because at

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 5>this point, he's he's already gone. He got a briefcase

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 5>full of weapons, and he's ready to go kill the president,

0:58:56.280 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 5>and he's he's a former Vietnam vet. I would assume

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:04.160
<v Speaker 5>that he's struggling to sleep because he PTSD or whatever

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:06.960
<v Speaker 5>and just having dreams and nightmares and stuff like that.

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:11.360
<v Speaker 5>So he's an insomniac and he's probably still not sleeping

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 5>anymore his girlfriend who left him, so he is absolute gone.

0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 1>And hickme.

0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 5>This guy who's acting in this volid weight with a

0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.000
<v Speaker 5>gun robbing his place, he was like, I finally got

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 5>my shot.

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:24.160
<v Speaker 5>I didn't mean that in that way, but yeah, I

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:27.919
<v Speaker 5>finally got a chance, you know, to kill somebody, and.

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.680
<v Speaker 2>He took it. But I also look at it like, again,

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I tried a lot to not have a twenty twenty

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 2>six gays and go back to seventy six, and I'm thinking, like,

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 2>at that time, in this specific part of the country,

0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 2>was this U needed thing to push the for the

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and maybe not the again. And I'm black, so of

0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.480
<v Speaker 2>course I'm biased, but like hesing a black person in

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that that way to justify not only murder, but justify

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the crime that goes on in the that city is

1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.000
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like, all right, that's kind of very

1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 2>low hanging fruit and against I'm sure black people at

1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that time, like you said, Mike still had an issue

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 2>with it, you know, just like black people today would

1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 2>probably have an issue with that. Seemed like that, That's

1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:15.960
<v Speaker 2>what I was thinking. I was just like, Okay, what

1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:20.520
<v Speaker 2>is the overall purpose in the story with this movie forward?

1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course we're seeing a man become more violent as

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:26.160
<v Speaker 2>the movie goes along, but I'm like, damn, like you

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:30.440
<v Speaker 2>just killing like again And going back to Louse with

1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 2>his point of like the original script, there was supposed

1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 2>to be a lot of black death because no white

1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:39.920
<v Speaker 2>man got killed in this man or in the original script.

1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:41.760
<v Speaker 1>But he was going to kill a white man.

1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:45.280
<v Speaker 2>He was going to, but he didn't because that's him.

1:00:45.320 --> 1:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>But I know what I'm saying, but but but because

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:50.800
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't do that, he kills a lot of black people.

1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:54.360
<v Speaker 2>That's my thing in the original script. Now obviously in

1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the movie it's different. But based off of lou was saying,

1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:00.200
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going off for that as fact, then that's like, okay,

1:00:59.880 --> 1:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that makes the movie come off different. I do think

1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:07.720
<v Speaker 2>that there's a difference between making a movie that's racist

1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:12.240
<v Speaker 2>and making a racist character. I do think that Travis

1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Bickle is supposed to be racist. He just I think

1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that the subtlety of the whole thing is that, you know,

1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:24.680
<v Speaker 2>if you know how racism works, you can tell he's

1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:27.600
<v Speaker 2>racist by the way he's looking at black people. But

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:31.959
<v Speaker 2>I never really got the impression that the filmmakers themselves

1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.640
<v Speaker 2>were being racist in the way that they portrayed black people.

1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Travis is clearly going to a certain part of town,

1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and in that certain part of town these things happen.

1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:47.560
<v Speaker 2>So him going to this part of town, going to

1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this type of store, and eventually having a black person robit,

1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that kind of makes sense. It's still uncomfortable

1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.840
<v Speaker 2>as fuck to watch, and it's still makes my stomach

1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 2>hurt every time I see it, but I also kind

1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:06.440
<v Speaker 2>of think that that might be the point. We're supposed

1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to feel uncomfortable in a way that Travis doesn't. Travis

1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:15.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel uncomfortable about what he did. He just doesn't

1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:19.160
<v Speaker 2>want the cops to come get him.

1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:19.960
<v Speaker 5>Because he has another He still wants to kill the

1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:22.240
<v Speaker 5>other guy. And Nick, you said earlier, the city of

1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:24.920
<v Speaker 5>New York is a character too. So that's why I

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<v Speaker 5>never really applied like this whole sort of racial outlook

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<v Speaker 5>on it, because I just looked at it as just

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<v Speaker 5>part of the city that's that way by everything else,

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<v Speaker 5>by just racist America, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not arguing that the film is like the

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<v Speaker 2>filmmakers are racist. What I'm saying is that, just like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Rod, I always try to shout you out with,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a thought about this, and like when certain

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<v Speaker 2>black characters go through those black tropes or those black

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<v Speaker 2>you know, situations that are stereotypical, it's just I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>was that necessary? Could this been another ethnicity, could have

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<v Speaker 2>been another character portrayal instead of using black people to

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<v Speaker 2>me as low hanging fruit. That's all I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that based off of what I watched and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the commentary Lou made about what he watched from others

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<v Speaker 2>recap it was just kind of like, Okay, I can

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<v Speaker 2>see I'm glad they went in this direction because it

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<v Speaker 2>was already tough going through that scene, especially during that

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<v Speaker 2>time period. If they weren't even heavy handed on it,

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<v Speaker 2>then I can see why other people will be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a racist film.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think this filmmaking in it was racist. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that the person who wrote the script was writing

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<v Speaker 4>it racist. I think Swiss Says did a good job

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<v Speaker 4>in taking that out of it and making it a

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<v Speaker 4>more classic palatable film, though I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even I feel you, Spike, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>if I would agree that the person who wrote the

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<v Speaker 2>script would have been viewed as racist because Travis, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, Travis was intentionally going to these parts of town.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be like why I can't and give I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even give like a comparison, because it's exactly what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Travis was going to these parts of town where it

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<v Speaker 2>was predominantly black people, poor black people, and he immediately

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is scum, this is filth, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, and it's that point.

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<v Speaker 4>To that point he's calling we hear his mind, his

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<v Speaker 4>commentary being that he's specifically in black neighborhoods and referring

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<v Speaker 4>to New York this way. I think that makes it

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<v Speaker 4>even more kind of like racist Travis.

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<v Speaker 2>Though I don't think that makes the person that wrote it,

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<v Speaker 2>because in my opinion, it's not like they made Travis

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<v Speaker 2>seem like a good guy. I don't think you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to watch this but even though some weird white boys do,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're supposed to watch this film and

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<v Speaker 2>look at Travis like he's a sympathetic character or hero.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet it's some insils did, Dude one hundred, I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't million, but this is what I thought when I

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<v Speaker 4>watched this, Like, I bet this some white boys out

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<v Speaker 4>here love this fun.

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<v Speaker 2>With this ending, I could easily see how like some

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<v Speaker 2>people can say, he's like the what we now know

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<v Speaker 2>as like the anti hero. Yes, yes he's Bruce Wayne,

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<v Speaker 2>he's Batman, but it's like, no, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>the filmmakers meant for it to be portrayed that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Travis throughout this film is supposed to be fucked up,

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<v Speaker 2>a fucked up character. He's not supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>good guy. He hates women, he hates black people, he

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<v Speaker 2>hates poor people, he hates dirty people. The most interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing about Travis is he hates what He is, a filthy, dirty, nasty,

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<v Speaker 2>scummy person.

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<v Speaker 4>He sounded like a twenty twenty six intill one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>percent spike with exactly what he sounded like.

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<v Speaker 2>And to your point, Mike, if I was to write

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<v Speaker 2>a slave Master, I'm going to write the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying these things and having these thoughts. And we

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<v Speaker 2>were like, that's here. But you got this interesting nick

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<v Speaker 2>is that they take this this angle of racism, and

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<v Speaker 2>even for nineteen seventy six, they make it more subtle.

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<v Speaker 2>They could have made Travis just running around calling everybody nigger,

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<v Speaker 2>aka what Tarantino would do. But instead they're just like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a subtle racist. He's he doesn't like black people,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not doing it in a traditional way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob got something to say to defend his king.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, man, It's just funny with y'all pick and choose.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it's what he was thinking.

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<v Speaker 6>A shot a black man in a face mm hmm

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<v Speaker 6>in this film.

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<v Speaker 2>And if he called him, if he said nigger one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty times before that, there will be a

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<v Speaker 2>Tarantino film. If Tarantino did every single black person would

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<v Speaker 2>be would be go ahead, rather fifty times shot him.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the problem with.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tarantino was doing both make.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly ding ding ding. Black man got shot in

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking dick. What is the main thing that white

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<v Speaker 2>people talk about with black people, big old dick? They

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<v Speaker 2>shoot him in the fucking dick, Rod, and you were like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love this guy. Oh what this my man? That

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<v Speaker 2>ship he has? Watch? Oh, we're not about to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about again.

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<v Speaker 12>You do just try, you just tried. I'm moving on, Rod.

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<v Speaker 2>What was going on with Travis at Senator Palatine's rally?

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<v Speaker 2>What was he thinking there?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Ship? I sorry, sorry, Rod, I'm sorry. I skipped apart

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you're gonna call me out on it,

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<v Speaker 2>so hold on. He keeps having these runnings with the

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<v Speaker 2>underage prostitute named Iris, Yeah again, played by Jodie Foster.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think of the meetup that he has

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<v Speaker 2>with her? And do you think that this is where

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<v Speaker 2>Drake got his whole stees from stripper and underage women

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, was Travis Bickle, the original Drake Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking a question, Spike, and I'm asking I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to know, man, what you think he was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to save her? Man, he was just trying to save her.

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<v Speaker 6>He wasn't He didn't have any ill intention, and we

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<v Speaker 6>saw that at the end of the movie. I think

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<v Speaker 6>that is the the bright spot about him is that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, he he saw he saw basically like a

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<v Speaker 6>damsel in the stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though she was adamant about the fact that she

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<v Speaker 2>was fine, he was just like, look, you're you're you're young,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know, You're.

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<v Speaker 6>Not trust me or whatnot. So I did think that

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<v Speaker 6>was actually a bright spot. As much as he was

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<v Speaker 6>trying to to advance on him, she you know, he

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<v Speaker 6>continued to deny, deny or not uh to the point

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<v Speaker 6>where he killed folks for it. So so yeah, I

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<v Speaker 6>do like that about the Travis character, that he was

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<v Speaker 6>adamant about getting her uh to safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmm.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't think he had good intentions, really think he

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I did not take that that way at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, he, ain't you you putting in this much

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<v Speaker 4>work to get this little girl who's already out prostituting. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't think that he was going to be Captain

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<v Speaker 4>save a whole and like take her to her family

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<v Speaker 4>and friends and be like you're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>He don't even strike me as that type of person,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I know he's a vigilante, but he just seems

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<v Speaker 4>more violent, sinister, and dark to me in his character.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that she was her senses as a woman

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<v Speaker 4>kicked in were not a woman but a girl kicked in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's get away from you're weird.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think his intentions were sincere, but I think

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<v Speaker 5>they were for different reasons. I think it was because

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<v Speaker 5>it maybe was his way of making up for what

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<v Speaker 5>happened with Betsy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I looked at it.

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<v Speaker 5>And the ship was so fucked over her, it was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 5>I can try to make a miss, you know, with

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<v Speaker 5>this character.

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<v Speaker 1>With a iris.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's an interesting take, Nick, did you get something different?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that because, like you mentioned earlier, that we

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<v Speaker 2>see the interaction between him and her and the cab

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<v Speaker 2>earlier on. I didn't know how he was able to

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<v Speaker 2>track her down or how he was able to follow

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<v Speaker 2>up with her. But I thought that to somewhat of

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<v Speaker 2>Ken's point, that he was trying to redeem himself somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>some way, because this is after he failed to uh

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, no, this is before that. But like I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like he was just trying to redeem himself

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, Okay, at least did this. I at

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<v Speaker 2>least took this person out of a bad predicament and

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<v Speaker 2>brought justice. But it did kind of I also feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>to lose point, there was something weird about that interaction still,

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<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't as innocent like we watched Mayor of Kingston.

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<v Speaker 2>This remind me of Iris, like between Mike and Iris,

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<v Speaker 2>like a character who is an anti hero, but he

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<v Speaker 2>has a good heart and he actually goes out of

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<v Speaker 2>his way to help people, at least innocent people. This

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like he wanted to have an excuse to

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<v Speaker 2>kill someone and this is the best reason for like

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who does something to a child, that's like the

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<v Speaker 2>number one thing. Like pedophiles are always hated, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>even if you're in jail. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>just more of a universal sin that he could justify killing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think all of these are interesting takes. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them are takes that I never thought of. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I've always gotten from this is I just had

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<v Speaker 2>to look it up and see what it was called.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's this thing about the Madonna horror dichotomy that

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<v Speaker 2>men still have. But men see women in two ways,

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<v Speaker 2>either as a madonna meaning not like a singer, but

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<v Speaker 2>like the actual madonna, like a pure, perfect woman, and

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<v Speaker 2>a whore. A lot of men don't see a gray area.

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<v Speaker 2>So he sees Iris as you know, she's obviously the whore,

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<v Speaker 2>but he wants to turn her into the madonna aka Betsy, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He sees Betsy as this perfect, angelic woman. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do agree with Ken about he's sort of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make up because he wasn't able to save Betsy. I

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<v Speaker 2>do agree with Rob, though I do think his motives

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<v Speaker 2>are sincere. I do think that he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>save her and take her back to her house, because

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<v Speaker 2>he tells her earlier when they're having that conversation, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to go home, need to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>your parents. I think the interesting thing about this is

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<v Speaker 2>Travis has no real say over what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>his life. He's crazy. He has to do these odd

1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:07.360
<v Speaker 2>nighttime jobs. Because he can't sleep, he can't calm his

1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:11.080
<v Speaker 2>brain down. If you look at the Iris character and

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<v Speaker 2>the Betsy character, both of them are being controlled by men.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks at it like Iris is being controlled by

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<v Speaker 2>the pimp aka Sport and Betsy is being controlled by

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Palpatine, not Palpatine Palatine. So he he looks at

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<v Speaker 2>this and he's trying to save them. That takes us

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<v Speaker 2>into the next scene. I know, you gotta run, Spike.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get through this. You can go to

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<v Speaker 2>seven five. Okay, we'll definitely be done by We'll definitely

1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:45.679
<v Speaker 2>be done by men. This goes into the next scene

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<v Speaker 2>Rod where Travis goes to Senator Palatine's rally. So what

1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:52.759
<v Speaker 2>was going on there?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so this is what I'll sayd In the beginning,

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<v Speaker 6>this part has always confused me because I thought, but

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<v Speaker 6>I guess y'all kind of explaining it earlier on where

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<v Speaker 6>he's like a fake politician and he's not living up

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<v Speaker 6>to his words or whatever. So I always was wondering, like,

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<v Speaker 6>why is he trying to kill the man that said

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<v Speaker 6>he's trying to click clean up the streets if they

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<v Speaker 6>both are trying to clean up the streets, so that

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<v Speaker 6>I always was confused by in the movie. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I think after y'all was talking about it earlier on

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<v Speaker 6>in this review, I kind of understand it now that

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<v Speaker 6>he also saw him as part of the problem, part

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<v Speaker 6>of the problem as far as, like, you know, saying

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<v Speaker 6>one thing and not being a man of your word

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<v Speaker 6>and cleaning.

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<v Speaker 3>Up the streets.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I'm just having a revelation on that, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not even sure that's still the case, to be

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<v Speaker 6>quite honest, Nick, what you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got, Yeah, his I find it because again I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>movies after this film that I understand the justification of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that you highlight and idolize as far as this

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<v Speaker 2>crazy person, how you could easily switch and flip on

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<v Speaker 2>them based off of something that it could be something small,

1:15:08.000 --> 1:15:09.519
<v Speaker 2>or could be a conversation, or could be just like

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<v Speaker 2>how you change your own mind throughout the as we

1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:15.559
<v Speaker 2>see him progressing the movie. So him trying to kill

1:15:15.600 --> 1:15:20.360
<v Speaker 2>him wasn't necessarily that off putting or like that confusing

1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:23.080
<v Speaker 2>to me. It was just like I was expecting, based

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<v Speaker 2>off the legacy of this movie, that he actually got

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<v Speaker 2>the job done'n get close.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's so pissed me, y'all felt I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 7>hold on, this niggase just ended up in the parking.

1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Lot like and then getting chased off, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, Okay, so you did all that for what

1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:40.559
<v Speaker 2>you know? That's what it wasn't no payoff for me

1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:44.320
<v Speaker 2>for like him working out, him getting the gun, him

1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:47.599
<v Speaker 2>doing all this training, the whole who are you talking

1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:50.080
<v Speaker 2>to me type shit. It just seemed like That's why.

1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:52.040
<v Speaker 2>I harken back to the scene where he killed the

1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:54.200
<v Speaker 2>black guy. I was like, so you did all that

1:15:54.400 --> 1:15:56.840
<v Speaker 2>just to not even commit the dude the number one

1:15:56.880 --> 1:15:59.240
<v Speaker 2>thing you wanted to do or that you were practicing

1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:02.240
<v Speaker 2>to do. It was just kind of like, Okay, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody.

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<v Speaker 6>I honestly don't even know if it was about the

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<v Speaker 6>politician itself. I think he met It might have had

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<v Speaker 6>something to do with Betsy and bet hit him having

1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:18.040
<v Speaker 6>just being jealous of that whole situation, So maybe it

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<v Speaker 6>had more. Maybe that overtook the policy stuff. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 6>I just met that. That part I've never kind of

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<v Speaker 6>grasped as to why he would try to risk killing

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<v Speaker 6>the politician.

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<v Speaker 1>That's That's what I've always taken as right.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I agree with Nick. I was let down.

1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:43.920
<v Speaker 4>I thought that this was the payoff of the movie.

1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:45.599
<v Speaker 4>I thought that it is something was going to happen here,

1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:48.880
<v Speaker 4>whether him shooting especially. It's like you said, Nick, as

1:16:48.920 --> 1:16:50.920
<v Speaker 4>popular as this feel me, I'm thinking that he gonna

1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:53.120
<v Speaker 4>shoot the dude to get shot or kill here. I

1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:55.040
<v Speaker 4>didn't know that there was another payoff coming.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he also, like he wrote the letter to Iris,

1:16:58.160 --> 1:16:59.800
<v Speaker 2>put some money in the mail. He was like, listen

1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:02.439
<v Speaker 2>by how you read it, I'm gone. So I'm like,

1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:05.320
<v Speaker 2>all right, he about to go cash out, like he'll say,

1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:06.360
<v Speaker 2>go crazy with it.

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<v Speaker 5>So I always took it as this was him just

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get back at Betsy, and this was one

1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:17.160
<v Speaker 5>of the ways he knew how. I don't think that

1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:25.120
<v Speaker 5>Travis was even interested in Palatine at all. He just

1:17:25.160 --> 1:17:27.640
<v Speaker 5>happened to get in his cab and he had just

1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:32.599
<v Speaker 5>happened to mess with me be dating Betsy, and he

1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:34.880
<v Speaker 5>was just starting to just kind of put on airs

1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:37.040
<v Speaker 5>and was like, oh, you're the guy, and just trying

1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:40.680
<v Speaker 5>to do what he can to win her affection, and

1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:42.439
<v Speaker 5>she just happened to work for him, so he was like,

1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:44.640
<v Speaker 5>oh my god, you're in't here, And that's why I

1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:48.960
<v Speaker 5>think he gave such a crazy, sort of weird answer

1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:52.320
<v Speaker 5>about what he can do to help clean up the city.

1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:55.880
<v Speaker 5>And once he lost Betsy, it was like, all right,

1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:58.040
<v Speaker 5>well you still work for when I'm going to take

1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:00.320
<v Speaker 5>you out because that's the one way that I can her,

1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:05.160
<v Speaker 5>because I can't hurt her any other way. And but

1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:07.720
<v Speaker 5>what I do love about this the scene was of

1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:10.400
<v Speaker 5>course to reveal of the mohawk, like that shit is

1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:14.599
<v Speaker 5>always dope to me, Like you just see like his

1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:17.120
<v Speaker 5>midsection and it just stayed there for a minute, and

1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.960
<v Speaker 5>then it poomed me, like, oh, this motherfucker is gone.

1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:21.479
<v Speaker 1>At this point, it's a rap.

1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:25.080
<v Speaker 5>It's over, he's deteriorated, he's and that's a rap. And

1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:28.439
<v Speaker 5>I think that his his the evolved the way his

1:18:28.680 --> 1:18:34.360
<v Speaker 5>character evolved over time. But you're also having evidence of

1:18:34.439 --> 1:18:37.400
<v Speaker 5>this being present all the time. But he's there are

1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:39.920
<v Speaker 5>things that he's holding on to that keeps him attached

1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:43.439
<v Speaker 5>to reality, and when you move remove those things, it

1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:47.160
<v Speaker 5>could send somebody spirally in a way that they never intended.

1:18:47.240 --> 1:18:50.840
<v Speaker 5>And we see that stuff depicted in this movie, and

1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:54.759
<v Speaker 5>up to the point where he completely transformed his image,

1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:57.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, and and you know there have been many

1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:01.559
<v Speaker 5>conversations article discussion of when people start shaving their hair

1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:04.759
<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that. It's all, it's all, it's all

1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:08.600
<v Speaker 5>present in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've always took it as him taking out Palatine

1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:20.960
<v Speaker 2>was always about Betsy. It was never really about Palatine.

1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:24.479
<v Speaker 2>If he takes out Palentine, he gets Betsy back. That's

1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:27.679
<v Speaker 2>what his brain is telling him, because Betsy is being

1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:32.040
<v Speaker 2>controlled by Palatine. Now where I disagree with with with

1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Nick and Spike is it would have been wholly unrealistic

1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:38.720
<v Speaker 2>for him to show up at that rally and be

1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:44.120
<v Speaker 2>able to just kill the senator slash presidential candidate, because

1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:47.320
<v Speaker 2>we see that he has secret service there. I think

1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:50.240
<v Speaker 2>because the thing about it is he wasn't practicing all

1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of that you're looking at me shit for Palatine, because

1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't even really make any sense, Like why would

1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:57.960
<v Speaker 2>he be saying to Palatine, you're looking at me, you're

1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:00.519
<v Speaker 2>looking at me. No, he was practiced seeing for what

1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:05.599
<v Speaker 2>happens later at the convenience store, he was looking to

1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>shoot someone, not necessarily Palatine at the moment, but just

1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:12.400
<v Speaker 2>some poor person, some poor person he knew he get

1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:15.840
<v Speaker 2>away with in this moment, he thought if he could

1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:18.280
<v Speaker 2>kill Palatine, he would get Betsy back. That's what That's

1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>how I've always taken it. But after the failed assassination

1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.880
<v Speaker 2>attempt on Senator Palatine, Travis goes back to the brothel

1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:30.040
<v Speaker 2>where Iris works. He kills Sport Sport played by Harvey Tytel.

1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Real quick, what did.

1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Y'all think of this scene? I thought Harvey Kytel did

1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:43.040
<v Speaker 2>a great job of this movie. Uh, once he flicked

1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:46.040
<v Speaker 2>his cigarette on him, I was like this, Dad, I

1:20:46.120 --> 1:20:51.320
<v Speaker 2>was waiting for his Assai says that, but yeah, I've

1:20:51.360 --> 1:20:54.639
<v Speaker 2>fucked with with his portrayal of a not fucking like likely.

1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:56.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's just like I thought, he gave a real

1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.599
<v Speaker 2>honest take about like what it's like to be in

1:20:58.600 --> 1:21:02.800
<v Speaker 2>that work at that time, and even going back to

1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:04.920
<v Speaker 2>his weird scene with Iris when he got that one

1:21:04.960 --> 1:21:08.000
<v Speaker 2>fingernail that was catered and ship like that, but he

1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:11.000
<v Speaker 2>over here like uh being intimate her, which was nasty

1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:13.240
<v Speaker 2>as hell, Like it was like this is guy's is

1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:19.840
<v Speaker 2>like a crazy creeping itself. But yeah, this scene was hilarious, Mike.

1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:25.320
<v Speaker 7>Seeing us uphlarious, especially when the fat motherfucker who he

1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:26.080
<v Speaker 7>gave the money to.

1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:28.439
<v Speaker 2>The first time he was with Iris, he shot his hand.

1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:30.000
<v Speaker 2>He was just screaming up.

1:21:33.120 --> 1:21:34.720
<v Speaker 14>My man.

1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:37.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying this whole scene was just it was

1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:39.960
<v Speaker 2>just like it was. This is where like I get Oh,

1:21:40.320 --> 1:21:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Scorsese has always done this in movies where he just

1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:46.040
<v Speaker 2>does the exaggerated scene like death didn't shootouts and ship

1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:47.719
<v Speaker 2>like that. So I funk with this.

1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Spike same here, like when he flicked the cigarette on him,

1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:55.720
<v Speaker 4>like Nick's house, so he could have kill him. I want,

1:21:55.800 --> 1:21:57.320
<v Speaker 4>is he gonna kill everybody else in here?

1:21:57.760 --> 1:21:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Like?

1:21:57.880 --> 1:21:58.679
<v Speaker 4>How extreme?

1:21:58.760 --> 1:21:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Is this gonna be?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>No?

1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:04.479
<v Speaker 3>That's yeah.

1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:08.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's a well executed scene. Damn y'all.

1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:19.719
<v Speaker 5>Ken you're asking about the shootout, the first shoot up.

1:22:20.160 --> 1:22:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I want to go.

1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I want y'all to get your ship off. I'm just

1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the host you w thirty one minutes?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think for me, what I what what I've

1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:36.439
<v Speaker 5>always liked about the pimp, and you guys have gave

1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:39.160
<v Speaker 5>me new information I didn't know. I always loved the

1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:42.080
<v Speaker 5>idea that the guy was white, you know, and it

1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:45.240
<v Speaker 5>really felt good to see that, you know, instead of

1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:47.880
<v Speaker 5>it being your stereotypical black person.

1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:51.320
<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad they did did they did change that?

1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:55.599
<v Speaker 5>So that's always been you know, I thought that I've

1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:59.519
<v Speaker 5>had about it, you know, just seeing that guy Harvey

1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:00.599
<v Speaker 5>coumetell in white.

1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>So I'm the only one that was really impressed by

1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the acting performance here by by by Robert de Niro

1:23:08.360 --> 1:23:11.320
<v Speaker 2>after he shoots him, the fact that he goes over

1:23:11.360 --> 1:23:14.439
<v Speaker 2>and he like he panics immediately. He goes over and

1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:16.800
<v Speaker 2>he sits down, and then he immediately gets back up

1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:18.719
<v Speaker 2>and he's just like looking around. Then he goes inside.

1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Like I've always thought that this part was fucking brilliant

1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:24.200
<v Speaker 2>because if he just shot him and then just walked

1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>away cool, like no big deal again, it would feel unrealistic.

1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:29.439
<v Speaker 2>But the fact that he shoots him and then he's like,

1:23:29.439 --> 1:23:31.200
<v Speaker 2>oh shit, I really just did that, and then he

1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:34.599
<v Speaker 2>goes and he sits on the fucking stairs right by

1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.559
<v Speaker 2>him for like a few seconds, and he gets up

1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and he's just like I can't stay here, and then

1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:40.160
<v Speaker 2>he's like, well fuck, I'm mass just gonna kill everybody,

1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and then he goes inside. That's what I was getting

1:23:43.160 --> 1:23:47.720
<v Speaker 2>at Rod I said, it was a well executed scene. Man,

1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:53.640
<v Speaker 2>all right, we're gonna speed this up so always, and

1:23:53.720 --> 1:23:56.759
<v Speaker 2>he shoots the bodyguard and then he ends up getting

1:23:56.760 --> 1:24:01.120
<v Speaker 2>shot in the neck. He kills Sport, then he kills

1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the John that's upstairs with Iris, right in front of Iris.

1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Why do y'all think he tried to kill himself afterwards?

1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Anybody can take this. Not everybody has to go, but

1:24:14.360 --> 1:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>anybody can throw this out if they have an answer.

1:24:16.439 --> 1:24:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was the original plan from trying to

1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:24.520
<v Speaker 2>shoot I want to say POWERPA team, but valentime plentie.

1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was just like he knew he was

1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:29.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna die. This was just like like send off or

1:24:29.560 --> 1:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever for him to be remembered as this whatever. So

1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought he always had like a like a suicide

1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:38.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of mindset.

1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Same here.

1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:43.920
<v Speaker 4>I thought that he knew that he had missed up,

1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:46.840
<v Speaker 4>that he knew that he couldn't handle the consequences of

1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:48.800
<v Speaker 4>what he had just done, kind of speaking to what

1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:51.479
<v Speaker 4>you said about him being like a miss. As soon

1:24:51.520 --> 1:24:54.040
<v Speaker 4>as he shot the pimp and then he thinks, okay,

1:24:54.040 --> 1:24:55.320
<v Speaker 4>well I might as well go all out, and then

1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:57.200
<v Speaker 4>you do it. He's like, I can't deal with the

1:24:57.200 --> 1:25:00.560
<v Speaker 4>consequences of this and kills himself tried to kill this.

1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was one scene I never really really fully got.

1:25:06.240 --> 1:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I just always assume he wanted to go out like

1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a martyr, but I never really got why he was.

1:25:11.040 --> 1:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>He did all this, and he was immediately just like, Okay,

1:25:12.840 --> 1:25:16.280
<v Speaker 2>well I'm gonna kill myself. Like did he Maybe he

1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:19.360
<v Speaker 2>thought his job was done because he did save Iris.

1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, But I what did y'all take from

1:25:24.000 --> 1:25:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the scene right after this, when the cops come and

1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.200
<v Speaker 2>they're all holding the gun on him and then he

1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.800
<v Speaker 2>does this with his bloody finger on his temple. What

1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:31.600
<v Speaker 2>did y'all take them that.

1:25:34.920 --> 1:25:35.799
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to die?

1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I've never liked that either.

1:25:39.360 --> 1:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I thought he wanted to die. Yeah, yeah, either.

1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:49.439
<v Speaker 2>I've always taken like he just he was done at

1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:52.400
<v Speaker 2>that point. Yeah, he wanted to die, But I've never

1:25:52.439 --> 1:25:55.479
<v Speaker 2>really gotten a full answer as to why he wanted

1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>to die.

1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:58.759
<v Speaker 5>You know what, the black guy did the whole finger

1:25:58.760 --> 1:26:00.840
<v Speaker 5>pointed thing at him earlier.

1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.479
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I've never believed that that actually happened.

1:26:04.680 --> 1:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's just what Travis saw because it

1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:10.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense. I mean, I know they call

1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>him killer or whatever, but the fact that he's just

1:26:13.120 --> 1:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>doing over and over. It's just like, why is this,

1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Why is this black dude being so weird? That doesn't

1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>make any sense. Why A you're acting like that. But

1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:23.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that really happened. I think that's

1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>just what Travis saw.

1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:29.519
<v Speaker 6>You shake your head, I said, I think the same.

1:26:29.760 --> 1:26:31.920
<v Speaker 6>I mean, because it doesn't. He obviously clearly let him

1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:34.439
<v Speaker 6>borrow money and everything, so he was cordial with him.

1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:36.679
<v Speaker 3>It makes sense. That doesn't make any sense.

1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was cordial with him, but Travis still saw

1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>danger in black man. That's all right. Oh, go ahead.

1:26:47.040 --> 1:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say last day again, last funny moment

1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:52.680
<v Speaker 2>when the dude he shot was they was fighting like

1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:58.160
<v Speaker 2>toddlers at the ground. I was like, shoot him.

1:26:58.720 --> 1:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I never understood that.

1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:07.120
<v Speaker 2>He took all for him to die, But I mean, somebody,

1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>shoot haf your hand off. You're gonna try to kill him.

1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:12.519
<v Speaker 1>But he was mad. He was the hand Mike.

1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he chased him upstairs though, Mike, I'm thinking, like,

1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:17.519
<v Speaker 2>all right, this guy's crazy, let me get a fucker

1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:20.000
<v Speaker 2>out of here. He chased his ass upstairs, tackling him.

1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:21.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, so I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna

1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:24.240
<v Speaker 2>kill you just swinging on him like like this, like

1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:28.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like football, but he's also a bodyguard. And no,

1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:30.479
<v Speaker 2>I bet you no one has fucked with him like that,

1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:33.880
<v Speaker 2>like they think about he shot his half his hand

1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:36.759
<v Speaker 2>off and he shot him in the side or whatever,

1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and the dude still had the power to run upstairs

1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:42.519
<v Speaker 2>and fight and he stabbed him in the hand too.

1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:47.479
<v Speaker 2>There he shut hand too. Oh man, This motherfucker was crazy.

1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:52.599
<v Speaker 2>So last scene, Travis goes into a coma during UH

1:27:53.200 --> 1:27:56.080
<v Speaker 2>due to his wounds, and he receives a letter from

1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Iris's parents, who tell him that she's doing much better

1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and she's back in school. But the movie basically ends

1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:05.280
<v Speaker 2>with Travis going back to work. He gets Betsy as

1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:08.080
<v Speaker 2>a ride, who tells him that she's kept up with

1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:11.120
<v Speaker 2>a situation and he drops her off. The refuses to

1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>take any of her money, and he drives away with

1:28:14.040 --> 1:28:20.479
<v Speaker 2>a smirk. What did y'all take from the ending? I

1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>can't believe him.

1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:25.960
<v Speaker 5>She went all the way back when his image has

1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:29.800
<v Speaker 5>been repaired and she realized she messed up, that maybe

1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:34.120
<v Speaker 5>he wasn't so bad after all, and she she just

1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:36.320
<v Speaker 5>tried to get back into good Grace, but he was like, nah,

1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:38.479
<v Speaker 5>you know you messed up.

1:28:38.720 --> 1:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>He said, you had your shot and it's over. And

1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:42.479
<v Speaker 1>I think the other.

1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.240
<v Speaker 5>Thing I was thinking about, Nick, you know how you

1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:47.120
<v Speaker 5>always say white man. Look, only a white man can

1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:49.120
<v Speaker 5>fail like killing a person and then turn out to

1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:49.800
<v Speaker 5>be a hero. Bro.

1:28:50.240 --> 1:28:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Ruh. Those newspaper clippings pissed me. This editing movie them

1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>there pissed me off. But I will agree with your

1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>first point. Ken At Louis Rod, you know what I'm

1:28:58.000 --> 1:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>talking about. This reminded me of Mike Jones.

1:29:00.360 --> 1:29:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Back then. They didn't want me.

1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm hot. He felt like a million bucks when

1:29:07.280 --> 1:29:09.120
<v Speaker 2>she got in that cabin. He let her walk away

1:29:09.200 --> 1:29:11.320
<v Speaker 2>like I don't even need Joe ass no more go

1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>home like but going back to the point of the

1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>fact that he was a hero, like the parents of

1:29:19.160 --> 1:29:21.479
<v Speaker 2>the girl was like, listen, we only can afford to

1:29:21.520 --> 1:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>go back to New York wants to pick her up.

1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>We wish you'd come back more to even thank you, like,

1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and the whole city is going behind them and everything.

1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:32.200
<v Speaker 2>He grew his hair out again like Samson, I'm just like, man,

1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>it's some bullshit.

1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:37.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, his ending I didn't believe it. I couldn't believe

1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:39.640
<v Speaker 4>that that's how they would end a movie like this.

1:29:40.200 --> 1:29:43.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that, like, oh, everything's wrapped up nicely

1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:44.840
<v Speaker 4>and he gets the girl and he gets to drive

1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:47.320
<v Speaker 4>off after being a fucking psychle path for an hour

1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:49.960
<v Speaker 4>and a half. Like, No, it didn't make any sense

1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:51.600
<v Speaker 4>to me. And then I've seen the theory behind it,

1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:52.639
<v Speaker 4>so it made more sense.

1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Did everybody go, Rod, did you say your piece?

1:30:01.000 --> 1:30:04.320
<v Speaker 6>I didn't say my piece, But like I can agree

1:30:04.439 --> 1:30:07.160
<v Speaker 6>with Nick here, it is it is.

1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>In real life, it's it's it's really messed up.

1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.519
<v Speaker 6>But I think in the in the idea of the movie,

1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:20.439
<v Speaker 6>I liked it at the time. Yeah, I definitely wasn't

1:30:20.439 --> 1:30:22.080
<v Speaker 6>expecting me. I wanted to expected him to live off

1:30:22.120 --> 1:30:24.000
<v Speaker 6>a next shot. I think you shot in the necker.

1:30:24.600 --> 1:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I went through his.

1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>He just.

1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:35.519
<v Speaker 4>A scar, then didn't he died? The theory is that

1:30:35.600 --> 1:30:39.599
<v Speaker 4>was in his head because we see this obscure view

1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:42.000
<v Speaker 4>of reality that he always had. Like you said, Mike,

1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:44.479
<v Speaker 4>this is how he would have wanted it to end.

1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:47.519
<v Speaker 4>But in actuality, he died in that brothel.

1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>So he created a scar on his neck and his

1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in his that was fake car. That was fake.

1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>It was.

1:30:56.760 --> 1:31:01.040
<v Speaker 12>That think about it.

1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:03.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to think about it.

1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>He's laying there dying.

1:31:04.960 --> 1:31:08.040
<v Speaker 4>If he's laying there dying and he's dreaming about, oh

1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:10.960
<v Speaker 4>I make it through this. I survived this. His neck

1:31:11.040 --> 1:31:12.600
<v Speaker 4>still gonna have the scar on it, because it's in

1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.160
<v Speaker 4>his head. He actually got shot. He just didn't leave.

1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>But they said he was in a calm coma that

1:31:18.880 --> 1:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was in his head. No, it was in a paper,

1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:27.679
<v Speaker 2>wasn't it. He's saying everything, everything dreamed all of it once.

1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:36.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, everything post everything, post the brothel is him dreaming

1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:39.280
<v Speaker 4>how the perfect way it would have ended, but he

1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:40.240
<v Speaker 4>actually died there.

1:31:41.880 --> 1:31:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's definitely a theory because if you

1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>if you watch through to the very very end, if

1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not paying attention, you'll miss it. But when he

1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:55.719
<v Speaker 2>drives off, it makes it seem like, oh, happily ever after,

1:31:56.240 --> 1:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and he looks up and he adjusts the mirror, and

1:31:58.360 --> 1:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>then the movie ends. So there's this piece where it's

1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>telling you, yeah, you think everything is sweet and it

1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>ended in this happily ever after way, but no, Travis

1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>is still crazy. So I've had the same theory that

1:32:12.000 --> 1:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Spike just throughout, which is either he died in that

1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>brothel or he's still in a coma. But that ending

1:32:18.439 --> 1:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>did not fucking happen, where Betsy just shows up where

1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>he is and gets in his taxi. That didn't happen.

1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even make any sense that she would say

1:32:31.000 --> 1:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the thing that she was saying in the taxi that

1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>and I just I watched what you did, and you know, no, man,

1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:42.559
<v Speaker 2>no fucking way even after what Like, I'm sure she

1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:46.040
<v Speaker 2>knew by that point that a crazy motherfucker where god

1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>damn mohawks showed up and tried to kill Palatine, And

1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:51.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she could put two and two together and say, oh,

1:32:51.520 --> 1:32:54.519
<v Speaker 2>that was him. So there's no way she would go

1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:57.840
<v Speaker 2>back to his taxi getting his fucking car. I'm like, oh, yeah,

1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I heard what you did. You the shit bro should

1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:04.559
<v Speaker 2>hang out later. No, this is Travis making up what

1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>he thinks the perfect scenario for an ending to this

1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:12.640
<v Speaker 2>story is and Rod. Imagine if the story went with

1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:14.479
<v Speaker 2>the original script like Lou said, and it was all

1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>black people that he killed, and.

1:33:15.920 --> 1:33:18.400
<v Speaker 4>He was the ship they said, the studio man that

1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:20.640
<v Speaker 4>they said, the struty was scared that it would be

1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:22.960
<v Speaker 4>like riots, like real rights if they played it out

1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:26.719
<v Speaker 4>that way for real, so that's why they recast everybody

1:33:26.760 --> 1:33:27.879
<v Speaker 4>and brothel.

1:33:29.120 --> 1:33:29.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:33.479
<v Speaker 5>I think it was real, and I think what I

1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:35.320
<v Speaker 5>do agree with you though, Mike, is when he looked

1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:37.439
<v Speaker 5>in the mirror at that startling thing, I think that

1:33:37.439 --> 1:33:40.200
<v Speaker 5>that was showing that, yes, this is real.

1:33:40.320 --> 1:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>But this motherfucker is still he still got that dog game.

1:33:43.840 --> 1:33:46.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna snap back at some

1:33:46.240 --> 1:33:48.759
<v Speaker 5>point to get rid of the so called filth again

1:33:49.360 --> 1:33:51.479
<v Speaker 5>and all is not well with him, but for right now,

1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.200
<v Speaker 5>he stay yeah.

1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Always. I felt that scene with her in the backseat

1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>and her talking, granted, like some of the dialogue I

1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>felt like earlier in this movie was kind of they

1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:03.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't really have that much chemistry, but I guess they

1:34:03.160 --> 1:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't because he's crazy, But it just felt awkward. I

1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, why the fuck would she say this? Why

1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>the fuck? Like you said, like, why would she come

1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>all the way one point eighty from thinking he's a

1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:15.519
<v Speaker 2>creep to like, oh, I'm now back in love with

1:34:15.560 --> 1:34:17.519
<v Speaker 2>him or I find interest in them? And how she

1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:20.439
<v Speaker 2>knows what taxi is his because she just walked up

1:34:20.479 --> 1:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and got in the car and the dude was like, oh,

1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you got somebody in your car? How would she know

1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:29.599
<v Speaker 2>what taxi is? His? Like, the movie's not written poorly

1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>to where we could be like, oh yeah, it's just

1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>bad writing, and it just carried on through the end.

1:34:35.000 --> 1:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>No way, no way, the movie the ending. If this

1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:41.559
<v Speaker 2>was all real, the ending would be one of the

1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:45.360
<v Speaker 2>most poorly written endings for a for a good movie

1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:48.880
<v Speaker 2>ever done, because it doesn't make sense. She would just

1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:52.080
<v Speaker 2>walk up, like, Oh, this must be Travis's taxi? What

1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:55.280
<v Speaker 2>how did she get there? She walked to where his

1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>job was or where the diner was and just knew

1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>he was there. None of it makes any sense, but

1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:03.680
<v Speaker 2>it does make sense if you're looking at this from

1:35:03.880 --> 1:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the unreliable narrator that Travis has been throughout this entire film. So, huh,

1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm with Ken. I think it was real.

1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what you no. You know what I

1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:22.840
<v Speaker 2>would Rod, I would not argue with you or Ken,

1:35:22.960 --> 1:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>because there's not enough here for me to say that.

1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>My theory is is really you know, uh, super sound.

1:35:31.720 --> 1:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't even argue with y'all. It could be real,

1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:36.599
<v Speaker 2>but to me, it just wouldn't make a lot of sense,

1:35:36.600 --> 1:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>but it could be real.

1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>But if it's real, it's not as good as me.

1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:45.400
<v Speaker 4>It's good to me, Yeah, to me, Yeah, he can't

1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:47.400
<v Speaker 4>be like that in a film for an hour and

1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:50.280
<v Speaker 4>then walk away with like, oh yeah, old happy Day.

1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Like nah, I get out of here.

1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:57.400
<v Speaker 4>I agree hundred people. Yeah, but this movie was different.

1:35:57.439 --> 1:35:59.360
<v Speaker 4>That's what made this good. That's like, that's what made

1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:01.080
<v Speaker 4>it better to me. Like I probably would have had

1:36:01.240 --> 1:36:03.160
<v Speaker 4>a different opinion on it had I not looked at

1:36:03.160 --> 1:36:05.160
<v Speaker 4>the stuff that broke it down and was like, no,

1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:06.439
<v Speaker 4>this is what actually happened.

1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Because as I was.

1:36:07.360 --> 1:36:09.040
<v Speaker 4>Looking at that and he's driving away, I'm like, ain't

1:36:09.080 --> 1:36:11.040
<v Speaker 4>no fucking way that they did that.

1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree the last thing I'll say. I definitely

1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.360
<v Speaker 2>agree with what Spike just said. This movie is very different.

1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:20.800
<v Speaker 2>It's not written in that white people are heroes kind

1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>of way. Again, if this was if Lena Waite wrote it,

1:36:24.720 --> 1:36:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I might be with y'all. I don't think it was

1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:32.320
<v Speaker 2>written to imply that white people just get away with everything,

1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So I would not believe that he was able to

1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.280
<v Speaker 2>go up in there shoot all of those people. Then

1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>the cops just be like, yeah, let him go. Nah, nah,

1:36:41.680 --> 1:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I think they were all criminal. Criminals. Though they were

1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>all criminals.

1:36:45.320 --> 1:36:52.880
<v Speaker 12>You still can't just go up shooting if it was like,

1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:58.400
<v Speaker 12>that's right, that's right, that's right.

1:36:58.479 --> 1:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>As a lawyer, Mike, he was a bad guy, right,

1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:06.200
<v Speaker 2>you're a bad guy.

1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:37:07.200 --> 1:37:09.400
<v Speaker 2>He wanted to save a child. He was going to

1:37:09.439 --> 1:37:13.479
<v Speaker 2>save a child. That was the first few times I

1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>watched it.

1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:18.439
<v Speaker 5>But then I was just like, nah, and and they

1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:20.639
<v Speaker 5>she was real quick.

1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I know we're closing out.

1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:27.360
<v Speaker 5>But Jodie Foster, she was twelve, but her sister played

1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:31.040
<v Speaker 5>the double in those you know, provocative scenes.

1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:35.679
<v Speaker 3>Okay, cool, that's good.

1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:38.200
<v Speaker 2>So now you don't feel bad about looking at him

1:37:38.200 --> 1:37:38.599
<v Speaker 2>being like.

1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Damn, well, his sister was only eighteen.

1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'm just wondering why that information was

1:37:46.880 --> 1:37:49.400
<v Speaker 2>needed because it was gross. Either way, he was trying you,

1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:52.800
<v Speaker 2>trying me money, y'all feel better. First of all, Jodie

1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Foster ain't never do it for me, let alone.

1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>A twelve year old, right, I ain't never seen that

1:37:58.080 --> 1:38:01.639
<v Speaker 1>damn as a child, right, right.

1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:04.479
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the most uncomfortable things about this film.

1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, anybody got well, Spike, you want to go

1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>ahead and give any any any final thoughts you can

1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:12.519
<v Speaker 2>jump out of here. I'm glad.

1:38:12.560 --> 1:38:14.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we reviewed this. I had never seen it.

1:38:14.640 --> 1:38:17.160
<v Speaker 4>I always heard about the Narro's performance, and I was

1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:19.760
<v Speaker 4>skeptical in the beginning, but as it got into it,

1:38:20.080 --> 1:38:22.880
<v Speaker 4>I understood the complexity of the movie. I like, like

1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:25.759
<v Speaker 4>Nick said, how New York was a character in the movie.

1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:28.240
<v Speaker 4>So I got it once I watched it. I may

1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:30.720
<v Speaker 4>not as hold it in high regard as people do

1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.639
<v Speaker 4>the call of the classic, but I totally understand the sentiment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think y'all ruined this movie for me. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on, jump jump, But anybody else want to give

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<v Speaker 2>their final thoughts?

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<v Speaker 6>I was saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. I think I

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<v Speaker 6>think us reviewing this has ruined this movie for me.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if I feel I don't know if

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<v Speaker 6>I like it as much anymore after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why what could we have said that ruined it for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I never like because thinking.

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<v Speaker 6>About the the things that they probably had the change

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<v Speaker 6>and now looking back, like, yeah, that was weird with

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<v Speaker 6>the black folks in this, like and they just I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know, I feel like they made a pivot to

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<v Speaker 6>to satisfy the audience, so looking back at some of

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<v Speaker 6>the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I like it as much as

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<v Speaker 2>leave it to a Tarantino fan to be mad that

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<v Speaker 2>they made the movie less racist. H Like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he just didn't have his coofy hat on what he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hold on this actually fucked up. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>them making the movie less fucked up for black people,

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<v Speaker 2>and actually I appreciate them taking to taking into account

1:39:59.439 --> 1:40:01.960
<v Speaker 2>that black folk would have gotten really upset if they

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<v Speaker 2>made everybody black. Yeah, but it's just it's just the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just already I.

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<v Speaker 4>Guess you're saying the fact that they even had to

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<v Speaker 4>change it is a problem for what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And ain't what he's saying nout alright, all right. I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually surprised, Mike that, when watching this movie and

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<v Speaker 2>watching the opening credits, that Martin Scort says he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>write this movie, that he just drafted it. So like

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<v Speaker 2>so that changed my mindset a little bit as far

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<v Speaker 2>as like, Okay, how much can I put on the

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<v Speaker 2>script and the story on him versus me just like separating,

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<v Speaker 2>Like just look at the direction, how he the characters

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<v Speaker 2>are portrayed like he did a great job, especially for

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<v Speaker 2>the late seventies. Again, the grit and feel of the

1:40:51.600 --> 1:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>movie is amazing, but again, like the story is does

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<v Speaker 2>and live up to the hype to me, That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I said it's a note for me not say this

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<v Speaker 2>is a horrible film, but it's just like, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not as good as what I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>would be. The Only thing that I really will take

1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:13.719
<v Speaker 2>from is that the bones of this movie, the structure,

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation of it has been used so many times

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<v Speaker 2>by so many different directors, so many different films that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to give it credit as something that is

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<v Speaker 2>a classic. But yeah, it's it's just outside of that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like rewatching this, I don't even know who I would

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<v Speaker 2>let watch this if I was at the grip.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, Yeah, I don't think it changes my perception

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<v Speaker 5>of the movie, you know, with being potentially racist or

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<v Speaker 5>the portrayal of.

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<v Speaker 1>Black people. It's funny because I watched.

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<v Speaker 5>Robert de niro is in another movie by Brian de

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<v Speaker 5>Palmer Greetings that I watched after this, because I was

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<v Speaker 5>just kind of looking at Robert de Niro's like what

1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:00.519
<v Speaker 5>he did before that, I watched that and you watched

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<v Speaker 5>that movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the one where he's is that the one

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<v Speaker 2>where he's like, there's like gay prostitute or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>a am I thinking of a different movie?

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<v Speaker 5>He was trying it's a comedy, but he wasn't trying

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<v Speaker 5>to go to war. They were trying to get out

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<v Speaker 5>of war. Yeah, it's a really weird movie. But in

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<v Speaker 5>that one, like their portrayal of all the things that

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<v Speaker 5>are typically viewed as negative nowadays is present in the

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<v Speaker 5>beginning because they talk about, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Gay people and black people.

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<v Speaker 5>They used the N word a couple of times in

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<v Speaker 5>the beginning, like the guy went to start a fight

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<v Speaker 5>so we wouldn't go with black people so he can

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<v Speaker 5>get out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to war.

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<v Speaker 5>And then there's all kind of weird things happening in

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<v Speaker 5>that movie around that time. And and this was like

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of years before this, so you know, it

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<v Speaker 5>seems in line with it, but there wasn't an overabundance

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<v Speaker 5>of the word that was being used, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>in a specific context of the movie, and the kind

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<v Speaker 5>of walked away from it. Same thing with this one,

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<v Speaker 5>like we're that word. We mainly heard the word spooks

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<v Speaker 5>and the N word. We once or twice at that

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<v Speaker 5>in a movie with a lot of black people around

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<v Speaker 5>and a seemingly racist you know, so I think it

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<v Speaker 5>did a good job, you know, if that's the case

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<v Speaker 5>of even being racist, portraying that in a way that

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<v Speaker 5>isn't too over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean reviewing it, but y'all definitely didn't

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<v Speaker 2>change my opinion on this film. I think it's an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible film. I am curious to read the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>Spike found about the original cast being black. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I ever knew that, so that's really interesting. But

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that they thought twice about how fucked up

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<v Speaker 2>that would look, even if they did have the right

1:43:47.000 --> 1:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>mindset in place of look, Travis is racist, because Spike

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<v Speaker 2>said he also saw that they said that Travis was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more overtly racist. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that that would have made the movie as good. In

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, if Travis was just running around I hate

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<v Speaker 2>Niggers and killing black people, he'd been like, all right, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good on this, it would it probably wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been a classic. But the way that they wrote Travis,

1:44:09.000 --> 1:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>the way that they wrote the characters around him, his

1:44:11.479 --> 1:44:15.519
<v Speaker 2>weird motivations, and just the really interesting way that they

1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>shot this film. I think it was great. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this movie is absolutely great. So so yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do it for us. Let us know what y'all

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<v Speaker 2>thought about this review. And shit, this shit was an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and forty something minutes, y'all. Motherfucker's better talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this motherfucker all right, So we will see y'all next

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<v Speaker 2>time we out.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace pe