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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Frame Second Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: helped with the evening of My name is Mike with me.

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Speaker 2: I have Spike, What Up? Got Rod?

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Speaker 3: What Up?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Got ken Ola? And we got Nick. Anytime we do

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Speaker 2: some virtual shit, we try to drag Nick ass into

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Speaker 2: these shits. So what's going on? Nick? I'm good, I'm good,

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Speaker 2: glad to be here as always. Man. All right, so

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Speaker 2: today we are talking about, Oh, this is actually a

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Speaker 2: anniversary film, right, I forget how many years it was though,

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Speaker 2: does anybody remember fifty years? Fifty years? We're covering Martin

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Speaker 2: Taxi Driver. So I'm gonna go around the room, give

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Speaker 2: a light and I mean light short, short opinion of

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Speaker 2: if you like it or not, but also throwing there

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Speaker 2: if this is your first time watching it. So I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna let guests go first, even though he's not really

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Speaker 2: a guest, but he's sort of Nick. You go ahead

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Speaker 2: and go first. I'm gonna be honest, first time watching

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Speaker 2: it interesting, even though I knew most about the movie.

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Speaker 2: It's a note for me, dog. Oh it's a no

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Speaker 2: for I'll go into it. But okay, all right, Rogers

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Speaker 2: went away. So while while he's fixing his video. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and go to Spike. Spike, was this

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Speaker 2: your first time seeing it? And did you like it?

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Speaker 2: First time watching it? And I did? I was not

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Speaker 2: mad at this hit all. I understand the hype around

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Speaker 2: it after watching it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't believe it going into it, but after I

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Speaker 4: watched it, I get while it was so popular when it.

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Speaker 2: Was all right? And ken first time watching it? And

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Speaker 2: did you like it?

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Speaker 5: No, it's not my first time watching it. I've watched

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Speaker 5: it before, and I do enjoy the movie.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: I do like it, okay, and Rod is back Rod,

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Speaker 2: first time watching it? And did you like it? Nah?

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Speaker 2: This is?

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Speaker 6: This isn't my first time watching it. Yeah, this movie is.

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Speaker 6: This movie is great?

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is definitely not my first time

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Speaker 2: watching it. I've seen this movie many, many, many times.

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Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite Scorsese films. I think Robert

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Speaker 2: de Niro absolutely destroyed this role as one of the

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Speaker 2: best acting performances of all time. And we're gonna go ahead,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna break down the movie. I tried to

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Speaker 2: condense these notes, but you know we're not gonna let

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Speaker 2: Rod keep us here all night, So let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and get started, all right. So we are in New

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Speaker 2: York and we meet Travis Bickle played by Robert de Nier.

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Speaker 2: He's a Vietnam vet who's applying for a job as

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Speaker 2: a nighttime taxi driver. He lives alone, he keeps a

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Speaker 2: he visits porn theaters to occupy his mind. What are

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Speaker 2: y'all's first thoughts about Travis. I want to start with you, Nick,

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Speaker 2: since you didn't like this film. I like the way

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Speaker 2: this film was shot and it has New York as

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Speaker 2: a character, because I think that's me to me, one

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Speaker 2: of the highlights of the film. But Travis as a

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Speaker 2: character was boring to me. But I also know I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at under the guys of twenty twenty six and

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Speaker 2: not in nineteen seventy six, so I get to see

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Speaker 2: like I see like the architect of this character in

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Speaker 2: other films that I've watched. But as far as me

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Speaker 2: watching this movie like as a newcomer, yeah, it took

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Speaker 4: Spike, what about you to one of the next points

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Speaker 4: I've seen this architect in other films. I just finished

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Speaker 4: nine Joe Obert like they of course this was you

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Speaker 4: because I was like, Okay, this is interesting. I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: So I was intrigued immediately.

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Speaker 2: By the way, for anybody that has video, I just

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Speaker 2: I didn't think it's a nice but I knew exactly

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you're.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on. I played golf, man, I.

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Speaker 2: Know you did, But damn, Ken, what do you think

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Speaker 5: You know, I think they did a good job early

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Speaker 5: ability to not sleep and how just over time, you know,

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Speaker 5: lack of sleep can really mess with you, and you

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Speaker 5: combind that with you know, his his previous war experience.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if he experienced combat or anything, but

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Speaker 1: So he just seemed like he didn't fit in.

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Speaker 5: And you can see that with his with his first interaction,

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Speaker 5: so it was clear that he was he was a

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Speaker 2: Rod, did you get something different?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just pretty much the same as Ken. I did

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Speaker 6: like how they had like the new art style, but

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Speaker 6: just in like the seventies or whatever of him narrating

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Speaker 6: So that's why he, you know, took took the cab

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Speaker 6: job just to begin with. So no, I mean I

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Speaker 6: like how it started off with him, like the with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think Travis Bickle is a very

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Speaker 2: interesting character. I do agree and understand Nick and Spike's

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Speaker 2: point about you know, you've seen this character before, but

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Speaker 2: it came after this obviously. But I think the most

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Speaker 2: interesting thing about Travis is I assume he did see combat.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it ever actually says, but we see

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Speaker 2: like dude has. Dude has no sense of what is

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Speaker 2: quote unquote no more at this point, so I think

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Speaker 2: the way they introduced him is very interesting. But Travis

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Speaker 2: becomes infatuated with Betsy, who's played by Sybil Shepherd, who

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Speaker 2: his first date? Anybody can take this this one.

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Speaker 4: I knew he was crazy, like I thought it in

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the first day that second date walking in

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they had that weird talk. Well, i'll talk

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Speaker 4: where y'all.

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Speaker 1: Let y'all go.

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Speaker 4: Then I ain't getting nothing from that other than the

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Speaker 4: only thing I got from it is I didn't know

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Speaker 2: I had to look up all this because I like,

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Speaker 2: these are a lot of famous people who had like great

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Speaker 2: be the same. I've seen that motherfucker before. That's not hers.

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Speaker 2: When I when I see that, I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I just never seen that nobody like you before. You're

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Speaker 2: that's all I took from that. He didn't know what

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Speaker 1: I didn't seem like.

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Speaker 6: I didn't take him as a bad boy. Person and

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Speaker 6: this I just he was just like kind of confident,

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Speaker 6: it's the best way to said. And yeah, she was

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Speaker 6: he didn't seem crazy to me in that moment. You know,

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Speaker 6: how people that that kind of just talked straight, just no,

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Speaker 2: The breakdown he did of her co worker. Didn't sound

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he just was. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Somebody straight shooters, straight suters that like you, I don't,

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Speaker 2: so he's like, I bet he don't even know your

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Speaker 2: What did he say?

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you can just tell you the coworker, huh,

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Speaker 2: And we see him protect her early on when she

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Speaker 5: He clearly likes her too, you know as well, and uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, there was this edge to him that she

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Speaker 5: liked because Nick, you you mentioned the stalking point. She

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Speaker 5: that time, probably any damn time honestly is scary. You know,

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Speaker 5: like that, like that's that's not that's not right. So

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Speaker 4: And I took it that was his first time. I

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Speaker 4: just wanted to come in. What he said that that

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Speaker 2: You talked about you interrupted or I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Uh, I didn't think about it till now about whether

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Speaker 5: then that that adds more credics to, you know, that

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Speaker 5: because the other guy was clearly a good guy, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the main thing that I took from that

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Speaker 2: There's there's no way she saw this motherfucker staring at

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Speaker 2: he's normal. I think what it was is she had

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Speaker 6: No, I was just saying that I thought that Jodie

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Speaker 2: The politician stuff is always.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll we'll definitely get to that. But right, right, right,

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Speaker 5: Who said that they didn't want to take the cab.

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Speaker 2: That's the assistant Palentine. Palatine wanted to take the cab.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think Time was bullshitting. He was listening. He

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna start with you, Spike. Uh oh, you

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Speaker 4: No, I don't come up to later, but I do

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna start with you because you already kind

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Speaker 2: of alluded to this the second date. This retakes it

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Speaker 4: It was weird, and I think they did a good

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Speaker 1: May be more interesting in where this was going.

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Speaker 2: What about you, Nick?

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Speaker 8: I thought that these scenes was hilarious when he was

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Speaker 2: She was like, do I need to get my manager?

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Speaker 2: He was like, nah, you ain't got to do all that.

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Speaker 1: Ye give me.

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Speaker 2: She was like, we got what we got. I thought

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Speaker 2: surprised she even allowed she even allowed herself to go inside,

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Speaker 2: it's just some sex in there, but it's actually a film.

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Speaker 2: So I'm watching this ship and I see the like

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Speaker 2: these motherfuckers is just fucking So I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's crazy, he's insane. That she just figured out so

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Speaker 2: this that's probably the most comfield theater and and and

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, that's that's super wild.

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Speaker 2: I really.

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Speaker 6: Come with you on, Like I don't even know to

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Speaker 6: understand like why she sheknew. I mean, once you get

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Speaker 6: At this point, I don't understand, like why she even

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Speaker 6: But she did get up very quickly once she would

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Speaker 6: like how she didn't back down out of it. I

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Speaker 6: thought she was just gonna kind of give him another chance.

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Speaker 6: But now she was out of there, she was she

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Speaker 6: was just like, nah, your ass is off, So I

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Speaker 4: I thought the only reason she gave him a chance

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Speaker 4: And then he explained to her like Nick said, well wait,

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Speaker 2: How I've I was taken too. That she she gave

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Speaker 2: him a shot because she was trying to see if, Okay,

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Speaker 2: But when she saw I mean, and I do y'all

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Speaker 2: that's how a lot of those weirdo foreign films are.

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Speaker 2: It's not just fucking like there is some weird ass

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Speaker 2: Then I'm on a second date with this dude and

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Speaker 1: Like you? I can't remember, it's been a minute. They

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I don't think they do. Man, I've only been

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Speaker 1: They definitely still got though. They got some here.

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Speaker 2: See there he goes. He looks like I didn't know that,

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Speaker 1: I take you when we get done.

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Speaker 2: What them called nice put exactly.

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Speaker 1: He got this.

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Speaker 2: He always got a hold in one and.

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Speaker 1: She was hot though. Man. She didn't even want the records.

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Speaker 1: She don't want ship. She was like, all right, now

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Speaker 2: She was like, can you please take my good She's

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Speaker 2: Don't blame her. I don't blame her, you know. I

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Speaker 2: You also have to remember she works for the senator

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Speaker 2: who is I think he's trying to run for president.

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Speaker 2: Say that's what he says, Like, yeah, because he was Yeah, so,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's not a place that she can be

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Speaker 2: to why she was mad. But she completely stops talking

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Speaker 5: It was very bold and bratch of him, and I

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Speaker 5: being returned. And you know, he realized the eraror of

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Speaker 5: the cussing everybody out, and and old Boy tried to

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Speaker 5: come over and talk ship like bro.

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Speaker 2: Ready for this, hey A, I was saying what to

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Speaker 2: do when I nigga hit that come to action. Every

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Speaker 2: time I see that ship cracks me up. He's, hey,

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Speaker 2: that ship was funny, bro, and he I don't know,

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Speaker 2: this is like one of the first like quotes that

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Speaker 2: I was here. But it's always like, you know how

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00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: the white man to be like, goddamn man. He kept

437
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: saying that too, bro, oh man. The funniest part I

438
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: hate to laugh at this, but the funniest part, and

439
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't even know if y'all caught it, but when

440
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: he when he finally walks out the door, there's a

441
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: woman that's on the door and.

442
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 7: She just.

443
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that was like a mistake,

444
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: like if that really accidentally happened.

445
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: But that was me.

446
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that every time too. Like that.

447
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 6: That absolutely. I don't think that was in the script.

448
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 6: It couldn't have been. It was just too real, exactly

449
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 6: what you're talking about.

450
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: She was too real.

451
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: I know I should have laughed in this either, but

452
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: kidd when he was cussing her out afterwards, he was like,

453
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: who the fuck don't call back after somebody? You go

454
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: to hell and everybody crazy.

455
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: If she didn't think he was crazy before, then she

456
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 4: know you crazy?

457
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. Yeah, But the the the narration before that

458
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: is really interesting because he's talking and he says that

459
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: he thinks he has stomach cancer, which is completely random.

460
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: So it's just showing this like increased paranoia that Travis gets.

461
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: And when he goes in there and he tells her,

462
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 2: he's like, you're just like the rest of him. You know,

463
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: you're in a hell and you're gonna die, just like

464
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: everybody else. It's like, God, damn. It goes from that,

465
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 2: and I'm sure the movie wasn't trying to make this funny.

466
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: God damn, fuck.

467
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 10: What the hell you got to walk up behind your chair,

468
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 10: Lovie having Lovie having stomach issues?

469
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: God, let's move on ship, all right? So this part

470
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: I remember the very few times. For the very first

471
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: few times I watched this movie. This scene didn't really

472
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: hit until I got much older and saw why it

473
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: was important. But he gives a ride to a guy

474
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: who's spying on his cheating wife. Does anybody know who

475
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: that guy was? Played by Scorsese? There you go, so

476
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: he's played by Scorsese himself. So Nick sins, you're already talking,

477
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: what did you think about this scene? I was like Damn.

478
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: Scorsese was young as hell in this movie, and I

479
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: knew as soon as he said it's some he gotta

480
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: be upset to the black man especial I do that.

481
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 2: And but like you said, Mike, I didn't really know

482
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: how to take that scene. I don't know if this

483
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: was more of like Travis getting justification for how he

484
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: feels and what he will eventually do and later on

485
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: in the movie, or this is just more of an

486
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: example of what Travis keeps talking about as far as

487
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: the filth uh in this city. But either way, I

488
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: thought that scene was just very much like I don't know,

489
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: I guess to me, it was like answering some question

490
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: that I don't know if I knew exactly what it

491
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: was yet.

492
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Anybody else, No, I don't.

493
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 5: I don't really have an idea about it outside of

494
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 5: him just being upset that his girls with some nigger. Yeah,

495
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 5: but yeah that Yeah, I haven't really thought about it

496
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 5: on that much.

497
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: You know.

498
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 5: It just seemed like it definitely felt like it was

499
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 5: oddly placed. But yeah, I don't know, I think that

500
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 5: was I'll go ahead.

501
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: I seen something afterwards that made him make more sense

502
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: as I watched the recap of the movie than they

503
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: were talking about.

504
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: How said cheating I asked something. I didn't think anything.

505
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: I didn't think anything about it when I seen it,

506
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 4: which is why I want to go look and see

507
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 4: what it meant.

508
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: That's like, why is this random man? Shit didn't here?

509
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: But I won't spoil it since you don't want to know.

510
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't seen this YouTube. We'll go to you last,

511
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: because I want to see if they say something similar

512
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: to what I say or what about what Rod is

513
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: about to say.

514
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 6: Y'all are still broken up on my end, so I'm sorry.

515
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 6: It's like, like really it's hard. It's hard to hear y'all.

516
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 6: But but yeah, so yeah, I just think it was

517
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 6: it was just like a trigger for him to kind

518
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 6: of like set him off. He was already spiraling and

519
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 6: already thinking about like like harming people, and I think

520
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 6: when he saw that it was something that may make

521
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 6: him feel like, you know, maybe he could do something,

522
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 6: uh for the greater good or something like that, because

523
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 6: he felt like he was justified and what he gonna do.

524
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 6: So that's what I always felt like that scene played

525
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 6: a part on his mental breakdown.

526
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the way I the way I've always seen this,

527
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: and not always, but since I've been a little bit

528
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: older is when I was. When I was younger watching

529
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: the film, I never really got the impression that that

530
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: Travis was racist. But Travis is fucking racist. And the

531
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: way you realize this is the way he sees people.

532
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: So we're seeing the movie through Travis's eyes. And if

533
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: you watch the way the movie is is pointing out

534
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: black people. They're always doing something fucking weird. Even the

535
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: guy that he works with that he's cool with, he's

536
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: like pointing the gun bow what you can assume he's

537
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: not really doing that because that's just fucking weird. Who

538
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: sits around like doing the gun fingers over and over again.

539
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: It's bizarre. There's a scene where he's walking down the

540
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: street camera if it was before or after this part,

541
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: but he sees this black after after the guy's walking

542
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: down the street and he's just bugging out, and the

543
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: way the camera is like shaking when he's walking, it's

544
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: giving you this impression that this is how Travis sees

545
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: black people. And we can definitely get to it, and

546
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: y'all know what see I'm talking about later on when

547
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: he gets to the convenience store. But what I got

548
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: from this scene is pretty much what Rod just alluded to,

549
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: which is this is the turning point for Travis where

550
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: he sees he's not crazy because this guy in the

551
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: back seat is like, my wife's up there cheating with

552
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: his nigger. I got this gun. I'm gonna fucking kill her.

553
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill her. I'm gonna put the gun to

554
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: her face. I'm aa blow her face off. I'm gonna

555
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: put it in her pussy. I'm a blow her pussy up.

556
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: And he says to Travis, do you think I'm sick?

557
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: And then the camera shows Travis's face and Travis is like,

558
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: not really, bro, Nah, I don't really think you're sick.

559
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: This is Travis getting that confirmation that I'm I'm not

560
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: the only one that thinks this way. He already got

561
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: it from Senator Palatine, because Palatine was like, yeah, I

562
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: kind of feel you. Thank you for your opinion. Now

563
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: we as the audience see that Palatine is fucking bullshitting him.

564
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: But to Travis, Palatine is the real deal, which is

565
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: why he becomes so obsessed with him putting his fucking

566
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: uh his political posters in his house. But what we

567
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: also get is this is the moment that Travis realizes that,

568
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: you know what, I need to be a vigilanti because

569
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: I need to save this city. So that's what I've

570
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: always found interesting about this scene. So as you're saying that, Mike,

571
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, like, why the fuck is the

572
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: representation in this film as far as the black actors

573
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: or the black characters, like so stupid? Like it was

574
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: it was like I was, like Martins says, he like

575
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: it was he intentional with that, because it came off

576
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: very offensive and for no reason because like a lot

577
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: of interactions aren't with black people, right, They're all around

578
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: the city because it's New York City, so there is

579
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: representation of New York City and the diversity of it,

580
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: but like they're the way they're portrayed and how they're acting,

581
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: which is weird. So I'm glad you touched on that.

582
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: And I didn't think he but I didn't think he

583
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: was racist because until you mentioned it, because when he

584
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: talked about like early in the movie when he's getting

585
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: the cab and stuff and he said the boss whatever

586
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: says where do you want to go? Like, what's what

587
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: areas do you want to deal with? He was like,

588
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: I'll go anywhere, it don't matter. And then even in

589
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: his narration he talks about I go to Harlem, I

590
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: go this. I'm like, oh, okay. So he was like, I

591
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: even pick up what do you call him?

592
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: Movie?

593
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: I think spooks. Yeah, So I was like, okay, So, yeah,

594
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: he's using horrible terminology, but it is the seventies. But

595
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: at the same time, he's willing to pick up anybody,

596
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So I was like, what is

597
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: this dude. I'm like, I can't really figure out his

598
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: character this yet. So you got to think about if

599
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: the reason Travis takes his job is because his mind

600
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: won't stop wandering at night for him to sleep, So

601
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: he wants to be able to go and be out

602
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: driving and working in all hours of the night. You're

603
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: not gonna go to like the nicer parts of New

604
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: York and get someone to pick up at two o'clock

605
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: in the morning. You are gonna get that in the

606
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: more dangerous parts of town. So I think that, and

607
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: also Travis, whether or not he wants to admit it,

608
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: he's attracted to the filthy parts of the city. Because

609
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: he is this walking contradiction. If you look at his house,

610
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: he lives in a fucking pig style. His house is disgusting.

611
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: But remember in that first day, he brings up that

612
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: whole thing about the sign that says I want to organized,

613
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: and he thinks it's like a joke or whatever, and

614
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: he even has that sign in his house. But his

615
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: house is a fucking mess. Travis is, he's completely mixed

616
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: up in the brain. And the reason I don't think

617
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: that the movie necessarily showed black people in a bad

618
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: light is because you do get diversity. You get the

619
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: guy that he works with, who's an honest guy. He's

620
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: an honest guy that's just working to make a living,

621
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: but Travis sees him weird. It doesn't seem like he's

622
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: acting weird towards anybody else, but Travis sees it. And

623
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: he even borrows money from the guy. So it's like

624
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: this weird version of racism that Travis has where he's like,

625
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: you know, I'm surrounded by these type of people, but

626
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: there's like maybe one or two good ones. But then

627
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: he goes to the bad parts of town and you

628
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: see pimps, pushers, drug addicts, drug dealers, So Travis is

629
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: looking at these people like these are scum. That makes

630
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: sense because there was that scene with the woman and

631
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: the little kid on the street, she was chasing him

632
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: or something like that. I was like, what the fuck

633
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: is going on with this shit?

634
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 5: But okay, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I think it's

635
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: definitely a reflection of the neighborhoods and certain neighborhoods of

636
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: New York. So I think it was being honest in that.

637
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 5: And you know, it wasn't a lot of black people,

638
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: but I don't.

639
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Know if it.

640
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: I didn't feel the offensive part of it the way

641
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: you did, Nick, and because there weren't a lot in there,

642
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 5: and I think because they were in certain areas.

643
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I just kind of took it for what it was.

644
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: And then you and You've also see like white people

645
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 5: doing the similar things as well. The thing about the

646
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: him point of the gun, Mike, I just always took

647
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 5: that as like foreshadowing when he called him a killer,

648
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 5: And I also took that as him kind of poking

649
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 5: fun at him or knowing that he was in the

650
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: military in Vietnam. And I think that's why I always he

651
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 5: was just kind of referring to that and just kind

652
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 5: of poking at him, you know, poking fun out of him.

653
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 11: For that sort of thing, and then foreshadow of what

654
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 11: was to come and the offense I took. And I know,

655
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 11: LOUI got you want to speak on this too. Defence

656
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 11: I saw was like the way the black people were trade.

657
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: Like even the cab colleague he had, it seemed like

658
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: he was black and lazy at his job because he

659
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: didn't really say shit. He was just like sitting around.

660
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 5: He's sitting around with the other white guys that were there,

661
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 5: but he was it just he just gave off for

662
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: like a like a a.

663
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Non compromary aloofness about him and his job. The obviously,

664
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: like you mentioned the pushers and the drug dealers, but

665
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: like that's those are what you would see in the streets.

666
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: But then when we get to the scene later on,

667
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: it's like the thievery of the criminal the gangs, Like

668
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: it felt like it was just like showing stuff that

669
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: white people would assume that's how black people were in

670
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: the seventies or like out and about in the streets.

671
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: So we'll definitely tackle that. But if you also look

672
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: at the fact that that guy was a thief, sure

673
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: he tried to rob a convenience store with the gun. Sure,

674
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: but what is the worst crime of this movie the

675
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: fact that somebody is pimping out a fucking twelve thirteen

676
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: year old girl. And who's that being done by white people?

677
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: So this is this is I feel like what Tarantino

678
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: wishes he could do is capture the racism without being

679
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: racist himself. I think scor Sesse actually does it well

680
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: because he's like, look, this is how white people in

681
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: this time saw black people. But when you really dig

682
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: into shit, the people fucking committing the worst atrocities are

683
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: white people. You know, even when you look at the

684
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: dude that's that's that's in the back of the car

685
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: talking about his wife cheating. She's cheating with a black guy.

686
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: But what's this guy talking about doing. He's talking about

687
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: killing her, putting a gun in her vagina and shooting her. Yeah,

688
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: that was nuts. So scor Sesse is so fucking good

689
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: at this where he's like, look, these motherfuckers are racist.

690
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you that that these people do exist.

691
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: But the worst motherfucker in this movie the white people.

692
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

693
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: But you got lou.

694
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: Oh god, the pimp, the pimp was originally cast as

695
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: a black man in a production house.

696
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: Oh, he was written in the script as a black man.

697
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: The production house made them change it, and he was

698
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 4: written as a racist as well, Travis, And they made

699
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: them change it because they didn't want to riot outside.

700
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: So that that that helped me understand that scene in

701
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 4: him being a racist.

702
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: You know, I've never heard that. I don't know who

703
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 2: the YouTuber is that you saw.

704
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: I seen it in two places, not a ship, not

705
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: seeing in two places. The pimp was Originally they got

706
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: the famous dude who played the pimp. Now they got

707
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: him blasted out because they thought it would be too

708
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: controversial for the pimp to be black.

709
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: Mmmm.

710
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: But everybody else a rich white.

711
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 4: No, they had they changed that in the script too,

712
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: But you said, we'll get to that later. So everybody

713
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: was black. I'm a lot the villains, all the villains,

714
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 4: that's what you say. Everybody are you talking about, like

715
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: the pimp, not the guy, not the guy that you're

716
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: talking about, but the pimp, and then everybody associated with

717
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: him was black in the original script.

718
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: That's interesting because when you've listened to SCORSESEI talk about

719
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: this film, that's not the impression that he gave at all. Huh. Interesting, Well,

720
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: last point before you move on, I will say, kid,

721
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if you laughed at the cabbies and

722
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: their stories about the customers.

723
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 7: What got on the midgets like, yeah, they like to

724
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 7: they always like to feel taller us, like to pick

725
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 7: him up or something.

726
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: Like these motherfuckers pieces of ship. They ain't me talking

727
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: about anything. Well, you know, midges didn't have rights back then,

728
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: so for little people, sorry, didn't have rights back then. Oh,

729
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: Spike left to go watch some more of his little

730
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: YouTube video. He'll try to drop dollargs on you by

731
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: me if what Spike is saying is true, and that's

732
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: really interesting to me, Actually it is. That's again, that's

733
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: the feeling that I got. I was like, bro, like

734
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: what you were saying, Lou as far as like the

735
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: portrayal of black people to fail if they were if

736
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: they would have went with that original script, obviously, I'm like, oh,

737
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: this is like too heavy handed.

738
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: But you asked him to change it.

739
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: If that is true, I still don't know that it

740
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: all the way changes the point of it changes my

741
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: point that I said a few minutes ago. But I

742
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: don't know that necessarily changes the point about SCORSESEI and

743
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: the way he casted or the way he wrote Travis

744
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: as being or depicted Travis as being racist. But I

745
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: would actually be interested to see how this would have

746
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: hit if the pimp and everyone surrounding him was black.

747
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: I assumed they still had Jodi Foster, so his horse

748
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: were still white. So I'm sure Travis would have seen

749
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: that as the ultimate in the issue, You're a black

750
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: pimp pimping out young white women. That probably would have

751
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: been a bit too heavy. Yeah, so I'm glad they

752
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: changed that. But so after this, Travis meets up with

753
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: easy Andy and buys a gun. Then he goes back

754
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: and he builds all kinds of contraptions to assist with

755
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: like quick drawing the guns, and he also starts a

756
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: really rigorous workout routine and diet. So what's going on

757
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: with him in this in this scene, this is not

758
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: the one y'all want to get to, but just the

759
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: whole workout and diet thing. What's going on with him here?

760
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: You just think about an arsenal.

761
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: Did you say gun as a singular? Well, he goes

762
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: to him to buy a gun, But now I think

763
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: he was.

764
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 12: Just like, well, shit, I'll take all these motherfuckers about

765
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 12: the start a war.

766
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 6: No, this was I always liked like these these scenes

767
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 6: or whatever, just him you know, building a contraption and

768
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 6: you just really see how I mean, at this point,

769
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 6: tapping into like his you know, war experience and things

770
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 6: like that, and he's about to Okay, he's about to

771
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 6: be like a vigilante at this point. So uh, I

772
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 6: think we get some dialogue and him narrating at this

773
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 6: point as well.

774
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then after that, that's when he starts to.

775
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 6: Go try to uh surveil, do surveillance on the on

776
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 6: the security detail for the politician, right, mm hmm.

777
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

778
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm always interested in like arms dealers and the people

779
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: that they deal with. So I feel like this is

780
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: kind of like a side story of like the customers

781
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: of the motherfuckers who always armed the streets and you know,

782
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: somehow these guns end up, you know, on the streets,

783
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: and this is the guy who actually does it. So

784
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: the way he talks about these guns and how he

785
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: tries to connect with his cliss, like he was trying

786
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: to connect with Travis a little bit too as well.

787
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: Like I always find those things interesting, So like this

788
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: was very like a standout scene for me as far

789
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: as like seeing Travis like light up when he sees

790
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: all these guns and all this ship, and like his

791
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: imagination goes crazy as far as what he has to

792
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: do next.

793
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 5: M hm, Well, and you know he's a Vietnam vet,

794
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 5: so he's he definitely would know how to use it all.

795
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 5: One of the things that I found interesting was that,

796
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: you know, the guy was white, you know, you know,

797
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: and he's selling all these guns and to these people

798
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: so always because I think he's in sales or something

799
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 5: like that. So I was like, here this guy walking

800
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 5: in too you know, you would look at him and

801
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: be just unassuming, just another white guy walking through the

802
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 5: city of New York, you know, getting out of the

803
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 5: cab and he's packed with fucking weapons.

804
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Bro in a fucking bake about.

805
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 5: To sell him to a guy who has intentions to

806
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: do horrible things with.

807
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: Him, and he's just gonna go bout his day.

808
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: And then after that, the other part that I always

809
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 5: thought was interesting was he was like.

810
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: Ship when he bought all of them, Like, well, Ship,

811
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: what you want drugs? I got everything you need? Bro got.

812
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 5: Okay, a fall, I got, I got I got syrup

813
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 5: and that, like said she for a while out you

814
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 5: might as well party.

815
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you too.

816
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: I was just about to mention that King.

817
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: I was wondering what this was, preparing him buying all

818
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: them guns with preparing us. I was wondering what the

819
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 4: payoff for that was gonna be. That's what that sam anything.

820
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think what's what's going on with him

821
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: here is that he's actually preparing to be a vigilante.

822
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: He's you know, he changes his diet because if y'all

823
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: remember before this, he was eating fucking cereal and he

824
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: was pouring like liquor on it and then a bunch

825
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: of syrup, I mean syrup sugar. He was, he was.

826
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: He was living like a black crackhead in the fucking

827
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: because I ain't never seen white people pour fucking alcohol

828
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: on corn flakes. I've seen some brothers do that, unfortunately,

829
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: So no way in real life, in real life, unfortunately. Yeah,

830
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to taste it, but I didn't.

831
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: They had the milk, and they're all wild to me.

832
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: They had the milk and they're already and then they

833
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: put jim beam over it, and I was like, what

834
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: on already? Corn flakes. Honestly, getting drunk while eating cereal

835
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: does sound interesting because it's like, you know, I mean,

836
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: because how much you don't look at me like that?

837
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: Because it ain't that much different when people put jim

838
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: bean in coffee.

839
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 4: It's just a lot different. Sometimes. Who mixes alcohol with dairy?

840
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 4: It's breadth insane everybody. That's that's a white Russian, that's

841
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: a you know, kolua bro. Like what you're talking about, y'all, we're.

842
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 6: Talking about a child's breakfast of Christ.

843
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: I don't want hear nothing from you. You motherfuckers over

844
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: there creaking blood and ship in church make fun of

845
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: me for putting little liquor on my call flights. The

846
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 2: thing that was agreed with Mike was the sugar, because

847
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: that bot a personal sized box of sugar and sprinkling

848
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: all like it was like, I don't know. That seemed

849
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: reminds me of that part in the fucking house party

850
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: when they were making the kool aid. Look at all

851
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: that sugar, like, girl's good, That's what I was thinking.

852
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: He was pouring all that sugar, but watching watching the

853
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: soul train. Man Travers didn't talk with black people, but

854
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: he fucked with black people.

855
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: Did so.

856
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: After this we get the scene where he's kind of

857
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: talking to the Secret Service guard at the Senator Palatine rally.

858
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: But following this, when he goes back home, we have

859
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: the most famous scene of the entire film.

860
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

861
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: This is where he is practicing of what he's going

862
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: to do to a nigger in the mirror. Bro He's like,

863
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 2: I wish a nigger would What you'll think of the scene, Yeah,

864
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: I kind of, man, you're talking to me, talking to

865
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: I don't see nobody else in here. It's just so hard.

866
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 13: And then when he was just doing this ship that

867
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 13: was that was the funniest thing to me, right, And.

868
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 14: I like how he acted like he was like, okay,

869
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 14: I let this. I'm like this stick of DUTs.

870
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Did he jump on the bed and do that ship?

871
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: Oh?

872
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was practicing how he was going to get

873
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 5: the knife and the gun out and ship on the

874
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 5: bed and ship like that.

875
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

876
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Hey, he was good though he made that little contraption

877
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: in his arm. I don't know what ye man.

878
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I too. Like we started like

879
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 6: gradually cutting his hair off. I feel like that's a

880
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 6: military thing too, where his hair was getting lower and

881
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 6: to the point where he just did a full mohawk.

882
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it was crazy.

883
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 6: White boys back in the military that had them fucking hairstyles.

884
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 6: So I think he was reverting back to like a

885
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 6: time when he was in that state.

886
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I don't know this, but I was.

887
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: Was that ad lib? Did he just make all that

888
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: ship up?

889
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 2: I don't know.

890
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: Research that's a good question.

891
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna looked that up.

892
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: He probably did. I mean, they were probably it was

893
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: probably a little bit, but then de Niro just kind

894
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: of went off the rails with it. But this is

895
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: the go ahead.

896
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 6: Well her scor sa she don't doesn't do a lot

897
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 6: of improv stuff. He likes to stick straight to his scripts.

898
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 6: He don't like people doing improv. So it probably was

899
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 6: written that way. Man, what I've heard about scor Sacy.

900
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 6: I don't know if he was always like that, but

901
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 6: I know later on scor Sacy he he like, do

902
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: not mess up my script, even like the biggest like.

903
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: Especially with the party. The party he got heard.

904
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 6: I think, uh, Leonardo was talking about it and Matt

905
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 6: Damon and they were talking about, Yeah, he doesn't.

906
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: Like you to straight away from his script.

907
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 4: Jack Nicholas part was sumprovised and that was its famously

908
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: known that he improvised the whole thing.

909
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: But the yeah, yeah, I was I was gonna let

910
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: you finish, but you spiked on d like that.

911
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: Rober I didn't say nothing. Nick.

912
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: They got both of us love don't do that. But

913
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: that dialedold scene with with Jack Nicholson when he was

914
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: I forgot who he was talking to his girl or

915
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: something like that. Somebody they said, that's not that wasn't

916
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: in the script at all. But but Rod's not crazy.

917
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: I've heard that too, that Scorsese does not like people

918
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: to kind of venture off. But I'm sure he made

919
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: an exception because it's fucking Jack Nicholson. But this is

920
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: one of his first films. This is like his third

921
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: fourth film, so he probably and he didn't write it.

922
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: Somebody else wrote the script, so he probably was just like,

923
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't really care that much. And and I'm sure

924
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: it also had to do with the fact that this

925
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: scene was so good it seemed incredibly natural, Like when

926
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: I watched this scene, this really does feel like some

927
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: crazy ass white man that they he's gonna go take

928
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: over New York. So I don't know, I will say

929
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: before you move on, Mike, the scene with the Secret

930
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: Service agent, what's hilarious. He was like, you, if you

931
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 2: want to sign up, to give me your address and

932
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: I'll say the information. I was like, okay. I was like,

933
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how crazy we're gonna see all that,

934
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: but if you give him his real name and ship,

935
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: he's a dumb ass. But he yeah, he didn't.

936
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: But I think the okay, so you guys think the Secret.

937
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 5: Service agent was was just taking notes and aware to

938
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 5: look out for him later.

939
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he was completely bullshit and he

940
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: was not gonna get that man a job. He thought

941
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: he was fucking weird. So he was like, oh yeah, man, yeah, sure,

942
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: what's yours? Okay cool? And he's probably like, okay, I'm

943
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: gonna have somebody investigate this motherfucker. And he gave me

944
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 2: the right.

945
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: Address, and when he got the wrong one, he definitely

946
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 5: probably put him on how alert, you know, the lookout

947
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 5: for him.

948
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: So the next scene is a very controversial scene, and

949
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: this is the scene at the convenience store. I'll start

950
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: with you, Rob, what did you what did you think

951
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: of this scene?

952
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

953
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: This scene, so I didn't like I didn't necessarily like

954
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 3: this scene.

955
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 6: I understand why it was controversial, and it just kind

956
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 6: of lends to Spike saying that about you know, the

957
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 6: pimps being black. I like looking at that, I could, man,

958
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 6: it does make sense that they had to probably change

959
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 6: it up to where it wasn't so much violence against

960
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 6: black people, but it's still because it was written a

961
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 6: certain way, you still kind of felt it.

962
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

963
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 6: Always hated this, and then then the convenience store got

964
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 6: kicking him or beating him, like get him afterwards he's

965
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 6: clearly clearly dead.

966
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, that that always like rubbed me the wrong way.

967
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, yeah, I never I never liked

968
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: that scene. Spike, what you think.

969
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 4: I thought they were gonna start hitting down towards him

970
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 4: being violent against black people, similar to Rods thing.

971
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I did, did sto have to be black?

972
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 4: And then you beat the shit out of him too

973
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: after you clearly shot him and didn't even have them

974
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: rob in the store. Just it goes to what Nick

975
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: said earlier and what Rodgers said of how they were

976
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 4: portraying black people in this film. This is when I

977
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: really started to notice it, and that's what made me

978
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: look it up.

979
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: At the end, I was like, this kind of kind

980
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: of racist. This feels kind of racist, but I can't

981
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: really put my finger on it. So interesting, Uh, Nick, Yeah.

982
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: I mean he just shoots him without any hesitation. I

983
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: think this is the first kill that we see him

984
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: doing the old film. And of course it's against black people.

985
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: And then as an audience member, if I wasn't black,

986
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: people will say that's justified because he was robbing the

987
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: convenience store. And not only was he robbing a convenience store,

988
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: he's robbing his friend because de Niro comes in and says, hey,

989
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: how you doing. Even you know, the guy greets them

990
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: and everything, so you seem like they're familiar with each other.

991
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: So this is like a local store, so it seems

992
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: like again de Niro is doing the right thing, you know.

993
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: And then but then like the beating at the end,

994
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: it was just like not only the beating at the end,

995
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: but the convenience store owner letting him go and say

996
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: like just get out of here. You did your job,

997
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: you did a good thing. I'm gonna protect you. You

998
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's just it was it was

999
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: just like all right, what like I got to see

1000
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: how this film ends, because at this point, I'm like,

1001
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck I'm like, I don't

1002
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: feel like I'm I'm feeling things I shouldn't feel because

1003
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: this is such a classic film, wondering why people look

1004
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: at it in high regard because this is a piece

1005
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: of shit scene.

1006
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 5: I would love to know what black people thought, those

1007
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 5: that watched it back back in the seventies. You know,

1008
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 5: we're you know, times have changed a lot now and

1009
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 5: we kind of look at things differently.

1010
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1011
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: I didn't take it as a racist or anything like that.

1012
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 5: You know, I think when you're in a bad neighborhood

1013
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 5: in that way, there are reasons why they're there because

1014
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 5: of you know, systemic racism and all the other stuff

1015
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 5: that you can add on. So there could be a

1016
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 5: larger conversation that we had that we have about that.

1017
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 5: But for me, you know, this was the first act

1018
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: of violence that I saw towards a black person, and

1019
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 5: the reaction by the owner was violent in that way

1020
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 5: because he mentioned that this was the fourth or fifth

1021
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 5: time it happened that that month or that year or

1022
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 5: something like that, So over the top, yes, but he

1023
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 5: validated it with the reasons why he was frustrated, and

1024
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 5: him killing for me was a sign of him finally

1025
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 5: getting getting a chance to act out in violence in

1026
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 5: a way in his mind that was justified, and probably setting.

1027
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: Up like.

1028
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 5: This weird sort of test run to get to the

1029
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 5: palatine that he was gonna kill because he was gonna

1030
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 5: kill a white guy, you know, later on that was

1031
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 5: his main objective, was to kill a white guy who

1032
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 5: was running for president or whatever.

1033
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: So that's why I never.

1034
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 5: Really looked at the racist elements of it, you know

1035
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 5: when I when I watched it.

1036
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this scene is definitely a hard one to swallow.

1037
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't think the movie itself is racist. For this scene,

1038
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: I definitely think that Travis is supposed to be It's

1039
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: supposed to be implied that he is racist because he

1040
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 2: sees the guy robbing the store. He could have easily

1041
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: just been like, all right, man, put your gun down whatever,

1042
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: whatever he was dying to kill somebody. Travis could not

1043
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: wait to kill someone face the second he saw the dude.

1044
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: When the dude turned around, bow immediately immediately. Is it

1045
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: racist that the shop owner then hit him with a

1046
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: fucking a bat after he was dead. I don't know

1047
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: if that's racist. If a motherfucker came in my store

1048
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: pulled a gun onto me, I might fucking whip his

1049
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: ass a little bit after he was dead too. I

1050
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: don't go that's right. I want you to go to

1051
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: hell remembering what happened in my motherfucking store. God damn it,

1052
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: the scene just looked weird to me. The way the

1053
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: dude was just like slumped over, and the fact that

1054
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: he like propped him up and set him up against

1055
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: the counter before hitting him, and he's just it's such

1056
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: a weirdly filmed scene that it always just makes me

1057
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: uncomfortable from like a racist standpoint, because it feels like

1058
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: the fucking store owner that felt like he enjoyed hitting

1059
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: that black man while he was dead and on the

1060
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: ground like that. So I give it that it felt real.

1061
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: It definitely felt real shot to me. What made damn.

1062
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: No, I just agree And the way it shot it

1063
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: looked like a documentary. Mike, you just stopped in the

1064
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 4: MIDI sentence.

1065
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: I heard you, I heard you start talking, and I

1066
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: want you to get it out. I'm the host man,

1067
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: so y'all are more important than me, So just get

1068
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: it out.

1069
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: Now I'm just agreeing with you and Rod did it

1070
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 4: felt like a documentary that scene, that shot, That's.

1071
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: What it looked real.

1072
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1073
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mute myself.

1074
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't mine.

1075
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: I do agree with you, Mike that he was he

1076
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 5: was definitely itching to kill someone, and you know, this

1077
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 5: guy just happened to give him an opportunity because at

1078
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 5: this point, he's he's already gone. He got a briefcase

1079
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 5: full of weapons, and he's ready to go kill the president,

1080
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 5: and he's he's a former Vietnam vet. I would assume

1081
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 5: that he's struggling to sleep because he PTSD or whatever

1082
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 5: and just having dreams and nightmares and stuff like that.

1083
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 5: So he's an insomniac and he's probably still not sleeping

1084
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 5: anymore his girlfriend who left him, so he is absolute gone.

1085
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: And hickme.

1086
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 5: This guy who's acting in this volid weight with a

1087
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 5: gun robbing his place, he was like, I finally got

1088
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 5: my shot.

1089
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

1090
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 5: I didn't mean that in that way, but yeah, I

1091
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 5: finally got a chance, you know, to kill somebody, and.

1092
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: He took it. But I also look at it like, again,

1093
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: I tried a lot to not have a twenty twenty

1094
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: six gays and go back to seventy six, and I'm thinking, like,

1095
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: at that time, in this specific part of the country,

1096
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: was this U needed thing to push the for the

1097
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: and maybe not the again. And I'm black, so of

1098
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: course I'm biased, but like hesing a black person in

1099
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: that that way to justify not only murder, but justify

1100
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: the crime that goes on in the that city is

1101
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: just kind of like, all right, that's kind of very

1102
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: low hanging fruit and against I'm sure black people at

1103
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: that time, like you said, Mike still had an issue

1104
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: with it, you know, just like black people today would

1105
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: probably have an issue with that. Seemed like that, That's

1106
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: what I was thinking. I was just like, Okay, what

1107
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: is the overall purpose in the story with this movie forward?

1108
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: Of course we're seeing a man become more violent as

1109
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: the movie goes along, but I'm like, damn, like you

1110
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: just killing like again And going back to Louse with

1111
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: his point of like the original script, there was supposed

1112
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: to be a lot of black death because no white

1113
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: man got killed in this man or in the original script.

1114
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: But he was going to kill a white man.

1115
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: He was going to, but he didn't because that's him.

1116
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: But I know what I'm saying, but but but because

1117
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: he couldn't do that, he kills a lot of black people.

1118
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: That's my thing in the original script. Now obviously in

1119
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: the movie it's different. But based off of lou was saying,

1120
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: if I'm going off for that as fact, then that's like, okay,

1121
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: that makes the movie come off different. I do think

1122
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: that there's a difference between making a movie that's racist

1123
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: and making a racist character. I do think that Travis

1124
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: Bickle is supposed to be racist. He just I think

1125
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: that the subtlety of the whole thing is that, you know,

1126
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: if you know how racism works, you can tell he's

1127
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: racist by the way he's looking at black people. But

1128
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 2: I never really got the impression that the filmmakers themselves

1129
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: were being racist in the way that they portrayed black people.

1130
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: Travis is clearly going to a certain part of town,

1131
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: and in that certain part of town these things happen.

1132
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: So him going to this part of town, going to

1133
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: this type of store, and eventually having a black person robit,

1134
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: I think that kind of makes sense. It's still uncomfortable

1135
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: as fuck to watch, and it's still makes my stomach

1136
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: hurt every time I see it, but I also kind

1137
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: of think that that might be the point. We're supposed

1138
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: to feel uncomfortable in a way that Travis doesn't. Travis

1139
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: doesn't feel uncomfortable about what he did. He just doesn't

1140
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: want the cops to come get him.

1141
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 5: Because he has another He still wants to kill the

1142
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 5: other guy. And Nick, you said earlier, the city of

1143
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 5: New York is a character too. So that's why I

1144
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 5: never really applied like this whole sort of racial outlook

1145
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 5: on it, because I just looked at it as just

1146
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 5: part of the city that's that way by everything else,

1147
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 5: by just racist America, right.

1148
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1149
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: And I'm not arguing that the film is like the

1150
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: filmmakers are racist. What I'm saying is that, just like

1151
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, Rod, I always try to shout you out with,

1152
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: I have a thought about this, and like when certain

1153
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: black characters go through those black tropes or those black

1154
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: you know, situations that are stereotypical, it's just I'm like,

1155
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: was that necessary? Could this been another ethnicity, could have

1156
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: been another character portrayal instead of using black people to

1157
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: me as low hanging fruit. That's all I'm saying is

1158
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: that based off of what I watched and some of

1159
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: the commentary Lou made about what he watched from others

1160
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: recap it was just kind of like, Okay, I can

1161
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: see I'm glad they went in this direction because it

1162
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 2: was already tough going through that scene, especially during that

1163
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: time period. If they weren't even heavy handed on it,

1164
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: then I can see why other people will be like, Okay,

1165
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: this is a racist film.

1166
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: I don't think this filmmaking in it was racist. I

1167
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 4: think that the person who wrote the script was writing

1168
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 4: it racist. I think Swiss Says did a good job

1169
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 4: in taking that out of it and making it a

1170
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 4: more classic palatable film, though I.

1171
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: Don't even I feel you, Spike, I don't even know

1172
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: if I would agree that the person who wrote the

1173
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: script would have been viewed as racist because Travis, in

1174
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 2: my opinion, Travis was intentionally going to these parts of town.

1175
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: Would be like why I can't and give I can't

1176
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: even give like a comparison, because it's exactly what it is.

1177
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: Travis was going to these parts of town where it

1178
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: was predominantly black people, poor black people, and he immediately

1179
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: was like, this is scum, this is filth, et cetera,

1180
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: et cetera, and it's that point.

1181
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 4: To that point he's calling we hear his mind, his

1182
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 4: commentary being that he's specifically in black neighborhoods and referring

1183
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 4: to New York this way. I think that makes it

1184
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 4: even more kind of like racist Travis.

1185
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: Though I don't think that makes the person that wrote it,

1186
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: because in my opinion, it's not like they made Travis

1187
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: seem like a good guy. I don't think you're supposed

1188
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: to watch this but even though some weird white boys do,

1189
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you're supposed to watch this film and

1190
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: look at Travis like he's a sympathetic character or hero.

1191
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 4: I bet it's some insils did, Dude one hundred, I

1192
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't million, but this is what I thought when I

1193
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 4: watched this, Like, I bet this some white boys out

1194
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 4: here love this fun.

1195
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: With this ending, I could easily see how like some

1196
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: people can say, he's like the what we now know

1197
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: as like the anti hero. Yes, yes he's Bruce Wayne,

1198
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: he's Batman, but it's like, no, I don't think that

1199
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: the filmmakers meant for it to be portrayed that way.

1200
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: Travis throughout this film is supposed to be fucked up,

1201
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: a fucked up character. He's not supposed to be a

1202
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: good guy. He hates women, he hates black people, he

1203
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: hates poor people, he hates dirty people. The most interesting

1204
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: thing about Travis is he hates what He is, a filthy, dirty, nasty,

1205
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: scummy person.

1206
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 4: He sounded like a twenty twenty six intill one hundred

1207
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 4: percent spike with exactly what he sounded like.

1208
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: And to your point, Mike, if I was to write

1209
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: a slave Master, I'm going to write the way that

1210
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: he's saying these things and having these thoughts. And we

1211
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: were like, that's here. But you got this interesting nick

1212
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: is that they take this this angle of racism, and

1213
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: even for nineteen seventy six, they make it more subtle.

1214
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: They could have made Travis just running around calling everybody nigger,

1215
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 2: aka what Tarantino would do. But instead they're just like, look,

1216
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: he's a subtle racist. He's he doesn't like black people,

1217
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: but he's not doing it in a traditional way. Yeah,

1218
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: Rob got something to say to defend his king.

1219
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 3: What's up, man, It's just funny with y'all pick and choose.

1220
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: I knew it's what he was thinking.

1221
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 6: A shot a black man in a face mm hmm

1222
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 6: in this film.

1223
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: And if he called him, if he said nigger one

1224
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty times before that, there will be a

1225
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: Tarantino film. If Tarantino did every single black person would

1226
01:06:53,640 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: be would be go ahead, rather fifty times shot him.

1227
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: And that is the problem with.

1228
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: But Tarantino was doing both make.

1229
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly ding ding ding. Black man got shot in

1230
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: the fucking dick. What is the main thing that white

1231
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: people talk about with black people, big old dick? They

1232
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: shoot him in the fucking dick, Rod, and you were like, Yeah,

1233
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 2: I love this guy. Oh what this my man? That

1234
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: ship he has? Watch? Oh, we're not about to talk

1235
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: about again.

1236
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 12: You do just try, you just tried. I'm moving on, Rod.

1237
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: What was going on with Travis at Senator Palatine's rally?

1238
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: What was he thinking there?

1239
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: Oh?

1240
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: Ship? I sorry, sorry, Rod, I'm sorry. I skipped apart

1241
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: And I know you're gonna call me out on it,

1242
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: so hold on. He keeps having these runnings with the

1243
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: underage prostitute named Iris, Yeah again, played by Jodie Foster.

1244
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: What did you think of the meetup that he has

1245
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 2: with her? And do you think that this is where

1246
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: Drake got his whole stees from stripper and underage women

1247
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: at the same time, was Travis Bickle, the original Drake Jesus.

1248
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: I'm asking a question, Spike, and I'm asking I just

1249
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: want to know, man, what you think he was trying

1250
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: to save her? Man, he was just trying to save her.

1251
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 6: He wasn't He didn't have any ill intention, and we

1252
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 6: saw that at the end of the movie. I think

1253
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 6: that is the the bright spot about him is that,

1254
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 6: you know, he he saw he saw basically like a

1255
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 6: damsel in the stress.

1256
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: Even though she was adamant about the fact that she

1257
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: was fine, he was just like, look, you're you're you're young,

1258
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: you don't know, You're.

1259
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 6: Not trust me or whatnot. So I did think that

1260
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 6: was actually a bright spot. As much as he was

1261
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 6: trying to to advance on him, she you know, he

1262
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 6: continued to deny, deny or not uh to the point

1263
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 6: where he killed folks for it. So so yeah, I

1264
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 6: do like that about the Travis character, that he was

1265
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 6: adamant about getting her uh to safety.

1266
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 2: Mmm.

1267
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 4: I didn't think he had good intentions, really think he

1268
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 4: you know, I did not take that that way at all.

1269
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 4: I thought, he, ain't you you putting in this much

1270
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 4: work to get this little girl who's already out prostituting. Like,

1271
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 4: I didn't think that he was going to be Captain

1272
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 4: save a whole and like take her to her family

1273
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 4: and friends and be like you're okay.

1274
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: Now.

1275
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 4: He don't even strike me as that type of person,

1276
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: Like I know he's a vigilante, but he just seems

1277
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 4: more violent, sinister, and dark to me in his character.

1278
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't.

1279
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 4: I think that she was her senses as a woman

1280
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 4: kicked in were not a woman but a girl kicked in.

1281
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: It's get away from you're weird.

1282
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 5: So I think his intentions were sincere, but I think

1283
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 5: they were for different reasons. I think it was because

1284
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 5: it maybe was his way of making up for what

1285
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,879
Speaker 5: happened with Betsy.

1286
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: That's how I looked at it.

1287
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 5: And the ship was so fucked over her, it was like, oh, well,

1288
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 5: I can try to make a miss, you know, with

1289
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,480
Speaker 5: this character.

1290
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: With a iris.

1291
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's an interesting take, Nick, did you get something different?

1292
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: I thought that because, like you mentioned earlier, that we

1293
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: see the interaction between him and her and the cab

1294
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: earlier on. I didn't know how he was able to

1295
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: track her down or how he was able to follow

1296
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 2: up with her. But I thought that to somewhat of

1297
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: Ken's point, that he was trying to redeem himself somehow,

1298
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: some way, because this is after he failed to uh

1299
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: oh no, no, this is before that. But like I

1300
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: just felt like he was just trying to redeem himself

1301
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, at least did this. I at

1302
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: least took this person out of a bad predicament and

1303
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 2: brought justice. But it did kind of I also feel like,

1304
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: to lose point, there was something weird about that interaction still,

1305
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: like it wasn't as innocent like we watched Mayor of Kingston.

1306
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 2: This remind me of Iris, like between Mike and Iris,

1307
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: like a character who is an anti hero, but he

1308
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: has a good heart and he actually goes out of

1309
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: his way to help people, at least innocent people. This

1310
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: just felt like he wanted to have an excuse to

1311
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: kill someone and this is the best reason for like

1312
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: anybody who does something to a child, that's like the

1313
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: number one thing. Like pedophiles are always hated, no matter

1314
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 2: even if you're in jail. So I think this is

1315
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: just more of a universal sin that he could justify killing.

1316
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: So I think all of these are interesting takes. Some

1317
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 2: of them are takes that I never thought of. But

1318
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 2: what I've always gotten from this is I just had

1319
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: to look it up and see what it was called.

1320
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: But there's this thing about the Madonna horror dichotomy that

1321
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 2: men still have. But men see women in two ways,

1322
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: either as a madonna meaning not like a singer, but

1323
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: like the actual madonna, like a pure, perfect woman, and

1324
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 2: a whore. A lot of men don't see a gray area.

1325
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: So he sees Iris as you know, she's obviously the whore,

1326
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: but he wants to turn her into the madonna aka Betsy, right.

1327
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: He sees Betsy as this perfect, angelic woman. So I

1328
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: do agree with Ken about he's sort of trying to

1329
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: make up because he wasn't able to save Betsy. I

1330
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: do agree with Rob, though I do think his motives

1331
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: are sincere. I do think that he was going to

1332
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: save her and take her back to her house, because

1333
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: he tells her earlier when they're having that conversation, He's like,

1334
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 2: you need to go home, need to go back to

1335
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 2: your parents. I think the interesting thing about this is

1336
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 2: Travis has no real say over what's going on with

1337
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: his life. He's crazy. He has to do these odd

1338
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: nighttime jobs. Because he can't sleep, he can't calm his

1339
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: brain down. If you look at the Iris character and

1340
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: the Betsy character, both of them are being controlled by men.

1341
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: He looks at it like Iris is being controlled by

1342
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: the pimp aka Sport and Betsy is being controlled by

1343
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: Senator Palpatine, not Palpatine Palatine. So he he looks at

1344
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: this and he's trying to save them. That takes us

1345
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: into the next scene. I know, you gotta run, Spike.

1346
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get through this. You can go to

1347
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: seven five. Okay, we'll definitely be done by We'll definitely

1348
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 2: be done by men. This goes into the next scene

1349
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: Rod where Travis goes to Senator Palatine's rally. So what

1350
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 2: was going on there?

1351
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is what I'll sayd In the beginning,

1352
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 6: this part has always confused me because I thought, but

1353
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 6: I guess y'all kind of explaining it earlier on where

1354
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 6: he's like a fake politician and he's not living up

1355
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 6: to his words or whatever. So I always was wondering, like,

1356
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 6: why is he trying to kill the man that said

1357
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 6: he's trying to click clean up the streets if they

1358
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 6: both are trying to clean up the streets, so that

1359
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 6: I always was confused by in the movie. But I mean,

1360
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 6: I think after y'all was talking about it earlier on

1361
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 6: in this review, I kind of understand it now that

1362
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 6: he also saw him as part of the problem, part

1363
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 6: of the problem as far as, like, you know, saying

1364
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 6: one thing and not being a man of your word

1365
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:36,440
Speaker 6: and cleaning.

1366
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:36,839
Speaker 3: Up the streets.

1367
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm just having a revelation on that, and

1368
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 6: I'm not even sure that's still the case, to be

1369
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 6: quite honest, Nick, what you.

1370
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: Got, Yeah, his I find it because again I've seen

1371
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: movies after this film that I understand the justification of

1372
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: somebody that you highlight and idolize as far as this

1373
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 2: crazy person, how you could easily switch and flip on

1374
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 2: them based off of something that it could be something small,

1375
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 2: or could be a conversation, or could be just like

1376
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: how you change your own mind throughout the as we

1377
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: see him progressing the movie. So him trying to kill

1378
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: him wasn't necessarily that off putting or like that confusing

1379
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: to me. It was just like I was expecting, based

1380
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: off the legacy of this movie, that he actually got

1381
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: the job done'n get close.

1382
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 7: So that's so pissed me, y'all felt I was like, wait,

1383
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 7: hold on, this niggase just ended up in the parking.

1384
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: Lot like and then getting chased off, and it was

1385
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 2: just like, Okay, so you did all that for what

1386
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: you know? That's what it wasn't no payoff for me

1387
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: for like him working out, him getting the gun, him

1388
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 2: doing all this training, the whole who are you talking

1389
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: to me type shit. It just seemed like That's why.

1390
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: I harken back to the scene where he killed the

1391
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: black guy. I was like, so you did all that

1392
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 2: just to not even commit the dude the number one

1393
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: thing you wanted to do or that you were practicing

1394
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 2: to do. It was just kind of like, Okay, that's it.

1395
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: Anybody.

1396
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 6: I honestly don't even know if it was about the

1397
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 6: politician itself. I think he met It might have had

1398
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 6: something to do with Betsy and bet hit him having

1399
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 6: just being jealous of that whole situation, So maybe it

1400
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 6: had more. Maybe that overtook the policy stuff. Like I said,

1401
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 6: I just met that. That part I've never kind of

1402
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 6: grasped as to why he would try to risk killing

1403
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 6: the politician.

1404
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: That's That's what I've always taken as right.

1405
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 4: I said, I agree with Nick. I was let down.

1406
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 4: I thought that this was the payoff of the movie.

1407
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 4: I thought that it is something was going to happen here,

1408
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 4: whether him shooting especially. It's like you said, Nick, as

1409
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 4: popular as this feel me, I'm thinking that he gonna

1410
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: shoot the dude to get shot or kill here. I

1411
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 4: didn't know that there was another payoff coming.

1412
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: And then he also, like he wrote the letter to Iris,

1413
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: put some money in the mail. He was like, listen

1414
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: by how you read it, I'm gone. So I'm like,

1415
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: all right, he about to go cash out, like he'll say,

1416
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: go crazy with it.

1417
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 5: So I always took it as this was him just

1418
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 5: trying to get back at Betsy, and this was one

1419
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 5: of the ways he knew how. I don't think that

1420
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 5: Travis was even interested in Palatine at all. He just

1421
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 5: happened to get in his cab and he had just

1422
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 5: happened to mess with me be dating Betsy, and he

1423
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 5: was just starting to just kind of put on airs

1424
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 5: and was like, oh, you're the guy, and just trying

1425
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 5: to do what he can to win her affection, and

1426
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 5: she just happened to work for him, so he was like,

1427
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 5: oh my god, you're in't here, And that's why I

1428
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 5: think he gave such a crazy, sort of weird answer

1429
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 5: about what he can do to help clean up the city.

1430
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 5: And once he lost Betsy, it was like, all right,

1431
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 5: well you still work for when I'm going to take

1432
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 5: you out because that's the one way that I can her,

1433
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 5: because I can't hurt her any other way. And but

1434
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 5: what I do love about this the scene was of

1435
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 5: course to reveal of the mohawk, like that shit is

1436
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 5: always dope to me, Like you just see like his

1437
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 5: midsection and it just stayed there for a minute, and

1438
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 5: then it poomed me, like, oh, this motherfucker is gone.

1439
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: At this point, it's a rap.

1440
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 5: It's over, he's deteriorated, he's and that's a rap. And

1441
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 5: I think that his his the evolved the way his

1442
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 5: character evolved over time. But you're also having evidence of

1443
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 5: this being present all the time. But he's there are

1444
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 5: things that he's holding on to that keeps him attached

1445
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 5: to reality, and when you move remove those things, it

1446
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 5: could send somebody spirally in a way that they never intended.

1447
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 5: And we see that stuff depicted in this movie, and

1448
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 5: up to the point where he completely transformed his image,

1449
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 5: you know, and and you know there have been many

1450
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 5: conversations article discussion of when people start shaving their hair

1451
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. It's all, it's all, it's all

1452
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 5: present in this movie.

1453
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always took it as him taking out Palatine

1454
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: was always about Betsy. It was never really about Palatine.

1455
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: If he takes out Palentine, he gets Betsy back. That's

1456
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 2: what his brain is telling him, because Betsy is being

1457
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: controlled by Palatine. Now where I disagree with with with

1458
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: Nick and Spike is it would have been wholly unrealistic

1459
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: for him to show up at that rally and be

1460
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: able to just kill the senator slash presidential candidate, because

1461
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 2: we see that he has secret service there. I think

1462
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: because the thing about it is he wasn't practicing all

1463
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: of that you're looking at me shit for Palatine, because

1464
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: that wouldn't even really make any sense, Like why would

1465
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: he be saying to Palatine, you're looking at me, you're

1466
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: looking at me. No, he was practiced seeing for what

1467
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 2: happens later at the convenience store, he was looking to

1468
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: shoot someone, not necessarily Palatine at the moment, but just

1469
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: some poor person, some poor person he knew he get

1470
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 2: away with in this moment, he thought if he could

1471
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: kill Palatine, he would get Betsy back. That's what That's

1472
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: how I've always taken it. But after the failed assassination

1473
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: attempt on Senator Palatine, Travis goes back to the brothel

1474
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 2: where Iris works. He kills Sport Sport played by Harvey Tytel.

1475
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: Real quick, what did.

1476
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: Y'all think of this scene? I thought Harvey Kytel did

1477
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: a great job of this movie. Uh, once he flicked

1478
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: his cigarette on him, I was like this, Dad, I

1479
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: was waiting for his Assai says that, but yeah, I've

1480
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 2: fucked with with his portrayal of a not fucking like likely.

1481
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: But it's just like I thought, he gave a real

1482
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 2: honest take about like what it's like to be in

1483
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: that work at that time, and even going back to

1484
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: his weird scene with Iris when he got that one

1485
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: fingernail that was catered and ship like that, but he

1486
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 2: over here like uh being intimate her, which was nasty

1487
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: as hell, Like it was like this is guy's is

1488
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 2: like a crazy creeping itself. But yeah, this scene was hilarious, Mike.

1489
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 7: Seeing us uphlarious, especially when the fat motherfucker who he

1490
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 7: gave the money to.

1491
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 2: The first time he was with Iris, he shot his hand.

1492
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: He was just screaming up.

1493
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 14: My man.

1494
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this whole scene was just it was

1495
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 2: just like it was. This is where like I get Oh,

1496
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: Scorsese has always done this in movies where he just

1497
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: does the exaggerated scene like death didn't shootouts and ship

1498
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 2: like that. So I funk with this.

1499
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 4: Spike same here, like when he flicked the cigarette on him,

1500
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 4: like Nick's house, so he could have kill him. I want,

1501
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 4: is he gonna kill everybody else in here?

1502
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: Like?

1503
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 4: How extreme?

1504
01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be?

1505
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 4: Right?

1506
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 2: No?

1507
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: That's yeah.

1508
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: So it's a well executed scene. Damn y'all.

1509
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 5: Ken you're asking about the shootout, the first shoot up.

1510
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: I want to go.

1511
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: I want y'all to get your ship off. I'm just

1512
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: the host you w thirty one minutes?

1513
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think for me, what I what what I've

1514
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 5: always liked about the pimp, and you guys have gave

1515
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 5: me new information I didn't know. I always loved the

1516
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 5: idea that the guy was white, you know, and it

1517
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 5: really felt good to see that, you know, instead of

1518
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 5: it being your stereotypical black person.

1519
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: So I'm glad they did did they did change that?

1520
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 5: So that's always been you know, I thought that I've

1521
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 5: had about it, you know, just seeing that guy Harvey

1522
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 5: coumetell in white.

1523
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: So I'm the only one that was really impressed by

1524
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 2: the acting performance here by by by Robert de Niro

1525
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: after he shoots him, the fact that he goes over

1526
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: and he like he panics immediately. He goes over and

1527
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: he sits down, and then he immediately gets back up

1528
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 2: and he's just like looking around. Then he goes inside.

1529
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 2: Like I've always thought that this part was fucking brilliant

1530
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: because if he just shot him and then just walked

1531
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 2: away cool, like no big deal again, it would feel unrealistic.

1532
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 2: But the fact that he shoots him and then he's like,

1533
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: oh shit, I really just did that, and then he

1534
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: goes and he sits on the fucking stairs right by

1535
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: him for like a few seconds, and he gets up

1536
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 2: and he's just like I can't stay here, and then

1537
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: he's like, well fuck, I'm mass just gonna kill everybody,

1538
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: and then he goes inside. That's what I was getting

1539
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: at Rod I said, it was a well executed scene. Man,

1540
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna speed this up so always, and

1541
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 2: he shoots the bodyguard and then he ends up getting

1542
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: shot in the neck. He kills Sport, then he kills

1543
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: the John that's upstairs with Iris, right in front of Iris.

1544
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 2: Why do y'all think he tried to kill himself afterwards?

1545
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: Anybody can take this. Not everybody has to go, but

1546
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 2: anybody can throw this out if they have an answer.

1547
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 2: I thought that was the original plan from trying to

1548
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:24,520
Speaker 2: shoot I want to say POWERPA team, but valentime plentie.

1549
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 2: I thought that was just like he knew he was

1550
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: gonna die. This was just like like send off or

1551
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: whatever for him to be remembered as this whatever. So

1552
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: I thought he always had like a like a suicide

1553
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: kind of mindset.

1554
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: Same here.

1555
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 4: I thought that he knew that he had missed up,

1556
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 4: that he knew that he couldn't handle the consequences of

1557
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 4: what he had just done, kind of speaking to what

1558
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 4: you said about him being like a miss. As soon

1559
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 4: as he shot the pimp and then he thinks, okay,

1560
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 4: well I might as well go all out, and then

1561
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 4: you do it. He's like, I can't deal with the

1562
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,560
Speaker 4: consequences of this and kills himself tried to kill this.

1563
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was one scene I never really really fully got.

1564
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 2: I just always assume he wanted to go out like

1565
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 2: a martyr, but I never really got why he was.

1566
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: He did all this, and he was immediately just like, Okay,

1567
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: well I'm gonna kill myself. Like did he Maybe he

1568
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: thought his job was done because he did save Iris.

1569
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, But I what did y'all take from

1570
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: the scene right after this, when the cops come and

1571
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: they're all holding the gun on him and then he

1572
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: does this with his bloody finger on his temple. What

1573
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 2: did y'all take them that.

1574
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:35,799
Speaker 1: He wanted to die?

1575
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 2: I've never liked that either.

1576
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah I thought he wanted to die. Yeah, yeah, either.

1577
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1578
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: I've always taken like he just he was done at

1579
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 2: that point. Yeah, he wanted to die, But I've never

1580
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: really gotten a full answer as to why he wanted

1581
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 2: to die.

1582
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,759
Speaker 5: You know what, the black guy did the whole finger

1583
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 5: pointed thing at him earlier.

1584
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: And that's why I've never believed that that actually happened.

1585
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 2: I think that that's just what Travis saw because it

1586
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. I mean, I know they call

1587
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 2: him killer or whatever, but the fact that he's just

1588
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 2: doing over and over. It's just like, why is this,

1589
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 2: Why is this black dude being so weird? That doesn't

1590
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 2: make any sense. Why A you're acting like that. But

1591
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: I don't think that that really happened. I think that's

1592
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: just what Travis saw.

1593
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 6: You shake your head, I said, I think the same.

1594
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 6: I mean, because it doesn't. He obviously clearly let him

1595
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 6: borrow money and everything, so he was cordial with him.

1596
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 3: It makes sense. That doesn't make any sense.

1597
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was cordial with him, but Travis still saw

1598
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 2: danger in black man. That's all right. Oh, go ahead.

1599
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: I was gonna say last day again, last funny moment

1600
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: when the dude he shot was they was fighting like

1601
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 2: toddlers at the ground. I was like, shoot him.

1602
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 1: I never understood that.

1603
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: He took all for him to die, But I mean, somebody,

1604
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: shoot haf your hand off. You're gonna try to kill him.

1605
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: But he was mad. He was the hand Mike.

1606
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he chased him upstairs though, Mike, I'm thinking, like,

1607
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: all right, this guy's crazy, let me get a fucker

1608
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: out of here. He chased his ass upstairs, tackling him.

1609
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, so I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna

1610
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: kill you just swinging on him like like this, like

1611
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm like football, but he's also a bodyguard. And no,

1612
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: I bet you no one has fucked with him like that,

1613
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: like they think about he shot his half his hand

1614
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 2: off and he shot him in the side or whatever,

1615
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: and the dude still had the power to run upstairs

1616
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 2: and fight and he stabbed him in the hand too.

1617
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: There he shut hand too. Oh man, This motherfucker was crazy.

1618
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 2: So last scene, Travis goes into a coma during UH

1619
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: due to his wounds, and he receives a letter from

1620
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: Iris's parents, who tell him that she's doing much better

1621
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: and she's back in school. But the movie basically ends

1622
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: with Travis going back to work. He gets Betsy as

1623
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: a ride, who tells him that she's kept up with

1624
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: a situation and he drops her off. The refuses to

1625
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 2: take any of her money, and he drives away with

1626
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: a smirk. What did y'all take from the ending? I

1627
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: can't believe him.

1628
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 5: She went all the way back when his image has

1629
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 5: been repaired and she realized she messed up, that maybe

1630
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 5: he wasn't so bad after all, and she she just

1631
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 5: tried to get back into good Grace, but he was like, nah,

1632
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 5: you know you messed up.

1633
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 1: He said, you had your shot and it's over. And

1634
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: I think the other.

1635
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 5: Thing I was thinking about, Nick, you know how you

1636
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 5: always say white man. Look, only a white man can

1637
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 5: fail like killing a person and then turn out to

1638
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 5: be a hero. Bro.

1639
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: Ruh. Those newspaper clippings pissed me. This editing movie them

1640
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 2: there pissed me off. But I will agree with your

1641
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: first point. Ken At Louis Rod, you know what I'm

1642
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,839
Speaker 2: talking about. This reminded me of Mike Jones.

1643
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: Back then. They didn't want me.

1644
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: Now I'm hot. He felt like a million bucks when

1645
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: she got in that cabin. He let her walk away

1646
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: like I don't even need Joe ass no more go

1647
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: home like but going back to the point of the

1648
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 2: fact that he was a hero, like the parents of

1649
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 2: the girl was like, listen, we only can afford to

1650
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: go back to New York wants to pick her up.

1651
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 2: We wish you'd come back more to even thank you, like,

1652
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and the whole city is going behind them and everything.

1653
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: He grew his hair out again like Samson, I'm just like, man,

1654
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: it's some bullshit.

1655
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, his ending I didn't believe it. I couldn't believe

1656
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 4: that that's how they would end a movie like this.

1657
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 4: I don't think that, like, oh, everything's wrapped up nicely

1658
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 4: and he gets the girl and he gets to drive

1659
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 4: off after being a fucking psychle path for an hour

1660
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 4: and a half. Like, No, it didn't make any sense

1661
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 4: to me. And then I've seen the theory behind it,

1662
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 4: so it made more sense.

1663
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 2: Did everybody go, Rod, did you say your piece?

1664
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 6: I didn't say my piece, But like I can agree

1665
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 6: with Nick here, it is it is.

1666
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: In real life, it's it's it's really messed up.

1667
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 6: But I think in the in the idea of the movie,

1668
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 6: I liked it at the time. Yeah, I definitely wasn't

1669
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 6: expecting me. I wanted to expected him to live off

1670
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 6: a next shot. I think you shot in the necker.

1671
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 2: I went through his.

1672
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: He just.

1673
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 4: A scar, then didn't he died? The theory is that

1674
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 4: was in his head because we see this obscure view

1675
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 4: of reality that he always had. Like you said, Mike,

1676
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 4: this is how he would have wanted it to end.

1677
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 4: But in actuality, he died in that brothel.

1678
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: So he created a scar on his neck and his

1679
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: in his that was fake car. That was fake.

1680
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: It was.

1681
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 12: That think about it.

1682
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: I don't have to think about it.

1683
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: He's laying there dying.

1684
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 4: If he's laying there dying and he's dreaming about, oh

1685
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 4: I make it through this. I survived this. His neck

1686
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 4: still gonna have the scar on it, because it's in

1687
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 4: his head. He actually got shot. He just didn't leave.

1688
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 2: But they said he was in a calm coma that

1689
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 2: was in his head. No, it was in a paper,

1690
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 2: wasn't it. He's saying everything, everything dreamed all of it once.

1691
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything post everything, post the brothel is him dreaming

1692
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 4: how the perfect way it would have ended, but he

1693
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 4: actually died there.

1694
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's definitely a theory because if you

1695
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: if you watch through to the very very end, if

1696
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 2: you're not paying attention, you'll miss it. But when he

1697
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 2: drives off, it makes it seem like, oh, happily ever after,

1698
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 2: and he looks up and he adjusts the mirror, and

1699
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 2: then the movie ends. So there's this piece where it's

1700
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: telling you, yeah, you think everything is sweet and it

1701
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: ended in this happily ever after way, but no, Travis

1702
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 2: is still crazy. So I've had the same theory that

1703
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Spike just throughout, which is either he died in that

1704
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: brothel or he's still in a coma. But that ending

1705
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 2: did not fucking happen, where Betsy just shows up where

1706
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 2: he is and gets in his taxi. That didn't happen.

1707
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't even make any sense that she would say

1708
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 2: the thing that she was saying in the taxi that

1709
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: and I just I watched what you did, and you know, no, man,

1710
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 2: no fucking way even after what Like, I'm sure she

1711
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: knew by that point that a crazy motherfucker where god

1712
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 2: damn mohawks showed up and tried to kill Palatine, And

1713
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure she could put two and two together and say, oh,

1714
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: that was him. So there's no way she would go

1715
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: back to his taxi getting his fucking car. I'm like, oh, yeah,

1716
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 2: I heard what you did. You the shit bro should

1717
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 2: hang out later. No, this is Travis making up what

1718
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 2: he thinks the perfect scenario for an ending to this

1719
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 2: story is and Rod. Imagine if the story went with

1720
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 2: the original script like Lou said, and it was all

1721
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 2: black people that he killed, and.

1722
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 4: He was the ship they said, the studio man that

1723
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 4: they said, the struty was scared that it would be

1724
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 4: like riots, like real rights if they played it out

1725
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,719
Speaker 4: that way for real, so that's why they recast everybody

1726
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:27,879
Speaker 4: and brothel.

1727
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1728
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 5: I think it was real, and I think what I

1729
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 5: do agree with you though, Mike, is when he looked

1730
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 5: in the mirror at that startling thing, I think that

1731
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 5: that was showing that, yes, this is real.

1732
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: But this motherfucker is still he still got that dog game.

1733
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna snap back at some

1734
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 5: point to get rid of the so called filth again

1735
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 5: and all is not well with him, but for right now,

1736
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 5: he stay yeah.

1737
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: Always. I felt that scene with her in the backseat

1738
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 2: and her talking, granted, like some of the dialogue I

1739
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 2: felt like earlier in this movie was kind of they

1740
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 2: didn't really have that much chemistry, but I guess they

1741
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't because he's crazy, But it just felt awkward. I

1742
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 2: was like, why the fuck would she say this? Why

1743
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 2: the fuck? Like you said, like, why would she come

1744
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 2: all the way one point eighty from thinking he's a

1745
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: creep to like, oh, I'm now back in love with

1746
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 2: him or I find interest in them? And how she

1747
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: knows what taxi is his because she just walked up

1748
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: and got in the car and the dude was like, oh,

1749
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 2: you got somebody in your car? How would she know

1750
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 2: what taxi is? His? Like, the movie's not written poorly

1751
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: to where we could be like, oh yeah, it's just

1752
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 2: bad writing, and it just carried on through the end.

1753
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 2: No way, no way, the movie the ending. If this

1754
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 2: was all real, the ending would be one of the

1755
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 2: most poorly written endings for a for a good movie

1756
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 2: ever done, because it doesn't make sense. She would just

1757
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 2: walk up, like, Oh, this must be Travis's taxi? What

1758
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: how did she get there? She walked to where his

1759
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: job was or where the diner was and just knew

1760
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 2: he was there. None of it makes any sense, but

1761
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 2: it does make sense if you're looking at this from

1762
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 2: the unreliable narrator that Travis has been throughout this entire film. So, huh,

1763
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 2: I said, I'm with Ken. I think it was real.

1764
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't care what you no. You know what I

1765
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 2: would Rod, I would not argue with you or Ken,

1766
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 2: because there's not enough here for me to say that.

1767
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 2: My theory is is really you know, uh, super sound.

1768
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't even argue with y'all. It could be real,

1769
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 2: but to me, it just wouldn't make a lot of sense,

1770
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 2: but it could be real.

1771
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: But if it's real, it's not as good as me.

1772
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 4: It's good to me, Yeah, to me, Yeah, he can't

1773
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 4: be like that in a film for an hour and

1774
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 4: then walk away with like, oh yeah, old happy Day.

1775
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Like nah, I get out of here.

1776
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 4: I agree hundred people. Yeah, but this movie was different.

1777
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 4: That's what made this good. That's like, that's what made

1778
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 4: it better to me. Like I probably would have had

1779
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 4: a different opinion on it had I not looked at

1780
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 4: the stuff that broke it down and was like, no,

1781
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 4: this is what actually happened.

1782
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: Because as I was.

1783
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 4: Looking at that and he's driving away, I'm like, ain't

1784
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 4: no fucking way that they did that.

1785
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree the last thing I'll say. I definitely

1786
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 2: agree with what Spike just said. This movie is very different.

1787
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 2: It's not written in that white people are heroes kind

1788
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 2: of way. Again, if this was if Lena Waite wrote it,

1789
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 2: I might be with y'all. I don't think it was

1790
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 2: written to imply that white people just get away with everything,

1791
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 2: So I would not believe that he was able to

1792
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: go up in there shoot all of those people. Then

1793
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 2: the cops just be like, yeah, let him go. Nah, nah,

1794
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 2: I think they were all criminal. Criminals. Though they were

1795
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:45,759
Speaker 2: all criminals.

1796
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 12: You still can't just go up shooting if it was like,

1797
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 12: that's right, that's right, that's right.

1798
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: As a lawyer, Mike, he was a bad guy, right,

1799
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 2: you're a bad guy.

1800
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1801
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: He wanted to save a child. He was going to

1802
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 2: save a child. That was the first few times I

1803
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 2: watched it.

1804
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 5: But then I was just like, nah, and and they

1805
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 5: she was real quick.

1806
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: I know we're closing out.

1807
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 5: But Jodie Foster, she was twelve, but her sister played

1808
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 5: the double in those you know, provocative scenes.

1809
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, that's good.

1810
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: So now you don't feel bad about looking at him

1811
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 2: being like.

1812
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,839
Speaker 1: Damn, well, his sister was only eighteen.

1813
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm just wondering why that information was

1814
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 2: needed because it was gross. Either way, he was trying you,

1815
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 2: trying me money, y'all feel better. First of all, Jodie

1816
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 2: Foster ain't never do it for me, let alone.

1817
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: A twelve year old, right, I ain't never seen that

1818
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 1: damn as a child, right, right.

1819
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: That's one of the most uncomfortable things about this film.

1820
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 2: But anyway, anybody got well, Spike, you want to go

1821
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 2: ahead and give any any any final thoughts you can

1822
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 2: jump out of here. I'm glad.

1823
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm glad we reviewed this. I had never seen it.

1824
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 4: I always heard about the Narro's performance, and I was

1825
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 4: skeptical in the beginning, but as it got into it,

1826
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 4: I understood the complexity of the movie. I like, like

1827
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,759
Speaker 4: Nick said, how New York was a character in the movie.

1828
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 4: So I got it once I watched it. I may

1829
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 4: not as hold it in high regard as people do

1830
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 4: the call of the classic, but I totally understand the sentiment.

1831
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I think y'all ruined this movie for me. Wait,

1832
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 2: hold on, jump jump, But anybody else want to give

1833
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 2: their final thoughts?

1834
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 6: I was saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. I think I

1835
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 6: think us reviewing this has ruined this movie for me.

1836
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 6: I don't know if I feel I don't know if

1837
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 6: I like it as much anymore after this.

1838
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 2: Why what could we have said that ruined it for you?

1839
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: I never like because thinking.

1840
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 6: About the the things that they probably had the change

1841
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 6: and now looking back, like, yeah, that was weird with

1842
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 6: the black folks in this, like and they just I

1843
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 6: don't know, I feel like they made a pivot to

1844
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 6: to satisfy the audience, so looking back at some of

1845
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 6: the stuff.

1846
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1847
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

1848
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if I like it as much as

1849
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: leave it to a Tarantino fan to be mad that

1850
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 2: they made the movie less racist. H Like, I think

1851
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 2: he just didn't have his coofy hat on what he

1852
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 2: was like, hold on this actually fucked up. I appreciate

1853
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 2: them making the movie less fucked up for black people,

1854
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: and actually I appreciate them taking to taking into account

1855
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: that black folk would have gotten really upset if they

1856
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,879
Speaker 2: made everybody black. Yeah, but it's just it's just the idea.

1857
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I think it's just already I.

1858
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 4: Guess you're saying the fact that they even had to

1859
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 4: change it is a problem for what he's saying.

1860
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 2: And ain't what he's saying nout alright, all right. I

1861
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 2: was actually surprised, Mike that, when watching this movie and

1862
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 2: watching the opening credits, that Martin Scort says he didn't

1863
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 2: write this movie, that he just drafted it. So like

1864
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: so that changed my mindset a little bit as far

1865
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 2: as like, Okay, how much can I put on the

1866
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 2: script and the story on him versus me just like separating,

1867
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 2: Like just look at the direction, how he the characters

1868
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 2: are portrayed like he did a great job, especially for

1869
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 2: the late seventies. Again, the grit and feel of the

1870
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 2: movie is amazing, but again, like the story is does

1871
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 2: and live up to the hype to me, That's why

1872
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 2: I said it's a note for me not say this

1873
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 2: is a horrible film, but it's just like, to me,

1874
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 2: it's just not as good as what I thought it

1875
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 2: would be. The Only thing that I really will take

1876
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 2: from is that the bones of this movie, the structure,

1877
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 2: the foundation of it has been used so many times

1878
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 2: by so many different directors, so many different films that

1879
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: you have to give it credit as something that is

1880
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 2: a classic. But yeah, it's it's just outside of that,

1881
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Like rewatching this, I don't even know who I would

1882
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 2: let watch this if I was at the grip.

1883
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, I don't think it changes my perception

1884
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 5: of the movie, you know, with being potentially racist or

1885
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 5: the portrayal of.

1886
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: Black people. It's funny because I watched.

1887
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 5: Robert de niro is in another movie by Brian de

1888
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 5: Palmer Greetings that I watched after this, because I was

1889
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 5: just kind of looking at Robert de Niro's like what

1890
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 5: he did before that, I watched that and you watched

1891
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 5: that movie?

1892
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 2: Is that the one where he's is that the one

1893
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 2: where he's like, there's like gay prostitute or whatever, and

1894
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: a am I thinking of a different movie?

1895
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 5: He was trying it's a comedy, but he wasn't trying

1896
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 5: to go to war. They were trying to get out

1897
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 5: of war. Yeah, it's a really weird movie. But in

1898
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 5: that one, like their portrayal of all the things that

1899
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 5: are typically viewed as negative nowadays is present in the

1900
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 5: beginning because they talk about, you know.

1901
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: Gay people and black people.

1902
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 5: They used the N word a couple of times in

1903
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 5: the beginning, like the guy went to start a fight

1904
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 5: so we wouldn't go with black people so he can

1905
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 5: get out of.

1906
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: Going to war.

1907
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 5: And then there's all kind of weird things happening in

1908
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 5: that movie around that time. And and this was like

1909
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 5: a couple of years before this, so you know, it

1910
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 5: seems in line with it, but there wasn't an overabundance

1911
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 5: of the word that was being used, and it was

1912
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 5: in a specific context of the movie, and the kind

1913
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 5: of walked away from it. Same thing with this one,

1914
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 5: like we're that word. We mainly heard the word spooks

1915
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 5: and the N word. We once or twice at that

1916
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:11,759
Speaker 5: in a movie with a lot of black people around

1917
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 5: and a seemingly racist you know, so I think it

1918
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 5: did a good job, you know, if that's the case

1919
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 5: of even being racist, portraying that in a way that

1920
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,000
Speaker 5: isn't too over the top.

1921
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean reviewing it, but y'all definitely didn't

1922
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 2: change my opinion on this film. I think it's an

1923
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 2: incredible film. I am curious to read the stuff that

1924
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 2: Spike found about the original cast being black. I don't

1925
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 2: think I ever knew that, so that's really interesting. But

1926
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate that they thought twice about how fucked up

1927
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 2: that would look, even if they did have the right

1928
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 2: mindset in place of look, Travis is racist, because Spike

1929
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 2: said he also saw that they said that Travis was

1930
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 2: going to be more overtly racist. I just don't think

1931
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 2: that that would have made the movie as good. In

1932
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 2: my opinion, if Travis was just running around I hate

1933
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 2: Niggers and killing black people, he'd been like, all right, bro,

1934
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm good on this, it would it probably wouldn't have

1935
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,600
Speaker 2: been a classic. But the way that they wrote Travis,

1936
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 2: the way that they wrote the characters around him, his

1937
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 2: weird motivations, and just the really interesting way that they

1938
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 2: shot this film. I think it was great. I think

1939
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 2: this movie is absolutely great. So so yeah, so that's

1940
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 2: gonna do it for us. Let us know what y'all

1941
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 2: thought about this review. And shit, this shit was an

1942
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 2: hour and forty something minutes, y'all. Motherfucker's better talk about

1943
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 2: this motherfucker all right, So we will see y'all next

1944
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 2: time we out.

1945
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Speaker 1: Peace pe