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Speaker 1: When a five time draft dodger like Donald Trump talks

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Speaker 1: because I learned a long time ago, Jen that when

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Speaker 2: That's representative Jason Crowe Democrat with the same garbage argument

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Speaker 2: that I have heard my entire life, and I've always

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Speaker 2: to his nose, I do not care if you served.

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Speaker 2: It's always somebody else's kid. We don't know that, we

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Speaker 2: don't get it. What kind of leftist Tucker Carlson kandae

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Speaker 2: Own's ridiculous argument is this, it's always somebody else's kid, Congressman.

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Speaker 3: And you know who sends somebody else's kid, somebody.

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Speaker 2: From far away, Tony Katz, Tony kats today, good to

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Speaker 2: should not, indeed go to war for light and transient causes.

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Speaker 2: That does not mean we don't do anything anywhere.

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Speaker 3: This is about your.

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Speaker 2: Hatred of Trump, not because you have some concern about

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Speaker 2: members in the military. This is me, a man who

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Speaker 2: have to be declared by Congress. That's a legitimate question,

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Speaker 2: a worthy one one that we should discuss. A draft

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Speaker 2: dodger bangs his chest and send other kids, other people's

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Speaker 3: The draft.

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Speaker 2: Dodger was a elected president twice and very possibly three times.

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Speaker 2: Can I help you? He's the commander in chief and

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Speaker 3: Commander in chief. Is that what you're angry about, Congressman Crow.

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Speaker 2: Congressman Crow. One of the great flaws in our society, sir,

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Speaker 2: There's a segment of our population that believes if you're

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Speaker 3: I'll talk about the military all I want.

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Speaker 2: The fact that I can't have an abortion doesn't change

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Speaker 2: If the Democratic Party wants to start a fight with me,

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Speaker 3: The argument is bunk, now, I should be clear.

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Speaker 3: Of course I do.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's always somebody who isn't serving, sending other

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Speaker 3: That's why when we elect.

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Speaker 2: They know their assignment, they know their mission practiced and

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Speaker 4: Cow, did you see that, which is exactly what took place,

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Speaker 3: Show and we can discuss it. Madurea has pled not guilty.

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Speaker 2: He is calling himself an innocent man, saying I was captured.

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Speaker 3: Now, right now in Venezuela, an interesting thing is taking place.

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Speaker 2: De Rodriguez is in charge, that is the vice president

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Speaker 2: She won the Nobel Peace Prize in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: the whole Maduro regime. We should be clear that what

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez has stated that she wants to find a way.

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Speaker 2: First of all, they want Maduro back. Best of luck,

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Speaker 2: United States. Yeah, you should be afraid. I mean they

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Speaker 3: When the Israelis engaged the pager attack.

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Speaker 2: Against Tesbla, the pager attack showed what the Israelis were

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Speaker 3: It's better to keep them guessing.

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Speaker 2: But the Israelis decided at that time that it was

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Speaker 2: finale a spoiler alert. The speech that Will Buyers gives

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Speaker 2: And then there was did you you must have seen

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Speaker 3: On with Margaret Brennan, who who hosts UH Face the

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Speaker 2: And she's she's confused, and she's lost, and she's curious.

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Speaker 5: By the Trump administration decided to leave it intact and

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Speaker 5: He was in that indictment the administration released. He's a

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Speaker 5: narco terrorist. There's a twenty five million dollar price on

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Speaker 5: his head. He's still in place. The Defense minister, who

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Speaker 6: You're confused. I don't know why that's confusing to you.

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Speaker 3: You're still in very simple, we're not.

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Speaker 6: Going to go in and wrap up. You're gonna but yeah,

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Speaker 6: but you can't go You're going to go in and

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Speaker 6: suck up five people. They're already complaining about this one operation.

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Speaker 6: Imagine the howls we would have from everybody else that

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Speaker 6: The number one person on the list was the guy

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Speaker 6: and frankly complicated operation. It is not easy to land

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio is so good, He's so good, it is absurd.

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Speaker 2: It is absurd. It's absurd to think that Maduro was

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Speaker 2: the was actually the president. It's absurd. But he has

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Speaker 2: Maduro has said not guilty. He thinks of himself decent

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Speaker 2: and the president of his country. This trial will go on,

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Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out. But for the people

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Speaker 2: upset that Trump engages this operation, that is all for show.

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Speaker 2: The Biden Harris administration at a twenty five million dollar

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Speaker 2: bounty on Maduro's head. This is all about Trump hate

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Speaker 2: and not about anything in reality. These people wouldn't know

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Speaker 2: reality if it been them. I'm Tony Katz. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today,