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Speaker 1: Oh boy, do we have a show for you today

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Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC. It's a Kennel and Casey show. I'm

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Speaker 1: Rob Casey, still on afternoon duty. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday

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Speaker 1: Night on the Circle in for Casey. Lots to get

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Speaker 1: to today. Coming up at nine thirty, Nathan Gotch with

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Speaker 1: Independent Indiana's going to be with us. They did that

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Speaker 1: big poll on redistricting and they also have some new

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Speaker 1: poll numbers to reveal on our show, which are fascinating

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Speaker 1: about Governor Brawn and the Secretary of State, Diego Morales.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up at nine thirty. At ten o'clock, Jim Love,

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Speaker 1: friend of the show, farmer Boone County from the Boone

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Speaker 1: County Preservation Group, gonna be with us. He had a

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Speaker 1: very interesting article opinion piece in the Indiana Capitol Chronicle

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Speaker 1: about the IEDC. Those guys out there in Boone County

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Speaker 1: have been on the IEDC and that leap district for years.

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Speaker 1: He'll be with us at ten and then at eleven

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Speaker 1: Josh Bain, member of the Indianapolis City County Council, will

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Speaker 1: be with us to talk about that. Hu Jackson was

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Speaker 1: a yesterday an Indie Star. Mere Indy about Thomas Carl Cook,

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Speaker 1: the right hand man for years to Joe hawk Seat,

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Speaker 1: his lover who was working in the Indianapolis City government

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Speaker 1: under hawkshead. And all the money though apparently went to

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Speaker 1: his clients after he left city government and went to

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Speaker 1: a major law firm in.

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Speaker 2: The city of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And then and then Ethan to wrap up the show,

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Speaker 1: we have a huge surprise for everyone that people will love.

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Speaker 2: So that's coming up today.

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Speaker 1: But first we start with the big announcement yesterday Trump

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East. This is a piece in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East version nine point zero or ten point zero

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Speaker 1: or whatever number we're on now, cease fire agreement starting

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Speaker 1: to be put into place, hostages, the Israeli hostage return

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Speaker 1: from the Palestinians Samas who had taken them hostage. And

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Speaker 1: obviously all this was a before we get this audio here,

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Speaker 1: it really did appear this time that it was a

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Speaker 1: joint effort. You had Egypt, involved, a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: different countries. The question is, though haven't we heard this before?

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Speaker 1: Will it last? Well, of course it's not going to last.

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Speaker 1: Do I think that Donald Trump can solve thousands of

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Speaker 1: years of religious conflict of ethnic conflict of a mythological,

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Speaker 1: region that ties them and invests such an emotion in

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Speaker 1: the conflict. No, I don't think that Donald Trump can

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Speaker 1: solve that, not in any level of permanent basis. But

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Speaker 1: do I think that Donald Trump can at least temporarily

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Speaker 1: bring about a state of peace.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: And I think part of that is because the region

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Speaker 1: of Gaza's resources have been stretched so thin at this point.

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Speaker 1: Israel has pounded them. They have decimated the region. It's

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Speaker 1: basically the size of a postage stamp anyway, barely the

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Speaker 1: land area of Indianapolis, if memory serves. How much longer

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Speaker 1: can these people possibly going They can't. They can't have

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Speaker 1: rockets and missiles stored underground in enough quantity to keep

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Speaker 1: logistical necessity, it's going to have to come to an end.

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Speaker 1: And it appears we've reached that. Yeah, because hamas basically

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Speaker 1: you said, years of Israel doing immense damage to these people.

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Speaker 1: But the thing you're up against is unlike say Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 1: accepted by the West, adopting somewhat into decent society, being

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Speaker 1: ideological lunatics when you're talking about the Hamas people, and

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Speaker 1: I just don't I want it to happen. I want

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Speaker 1: there to be peace. I want there to be you know,

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Speaker 1: think they'd be phenomenal. I just think when you've got

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Speaker 1: then they come back and you go, well, hey didn't

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Speaker 1: get along and play nce with each other. But I

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Speaker 1: think you hit on exactly the nail on the head.

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Speaker 1: The great equalizer here is economic freedom. If we can

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Speaker 1: to a commercial economy. Look, that's what's ultimately brought us

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So a couple pieces of audio here here is Trump

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Speaker 1: saying he thinks he can unite the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: But the momentous breakthrough that we're here to celebrate tonight

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Speaker 4: is more than the end of the war in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: It's with God's help, it'll be the new beginning for

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Speaker 4: an entire beautiful Middle East. From this moment forward, we

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Speaker 4: can build a region that's strong and stable and prosperous

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Speaker 4: and united and rejecting the path of terra once and

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Speaker 4: for all. We want to get rid of the terror

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Speaker 4: and get onto other things. There are many other things

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Speaker 1: And I look in his mind, he's he's right, of course,

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Speaker 1: But sometimes when he gives these speeches, it's like, do

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Speaker 1: you know who you deally with? Like there is nothing

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Speaker 1: else for them to get onto. This is the thing, sure,

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Speaker 1: But what it even matter? Rob Because this is how

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump speaks in superlatives about everything. He exudes this

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Speaker 2: And the way.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about Middle East piece is the same way

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Speaker 1: he talks about his newest construction project. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Hey, why aren't you guys getting along? This

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Speaker 2: Have I told you about ten?

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Speaker 1: All right, here's another clip of Trump. So Fox News

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Speaker 1: caught up with him, and I hope Trump is feeling

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Speaker 1: okay because I was pleasantly surprised to see all the

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Speaker 1: credit he was giving to other people who made this possible.

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Speaker 4: Well, we had a lot of great success and a

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Speaker 4: countries that you wouldn't think. Qatar was fantastic. Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 4: was fantastic, Uae was fantastic. Jordan, the King Abdullah was.

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Speaker 4: He just couldn't have been nicer. I call him general,

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Speaker 4: like an unbelievable guy. They all wanted to see this happen.

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Speaker 4: That's the amazing thing. Everybody came together at this point.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we have thirty five different countries over there,

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Speaker 4: They all wanted this to happen, and it's one of

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Speaker 4: the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I hope he's right. I just and I noted in

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Speaker 1: anyway I want to be a Debbie Downer. Was a

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Speaker 1: great day. I'm so glad those people that were still

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Speaker 1: that's excellent. But if you can't harlay that into sustainable

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Speaker 1: the United States been trying to broke her peace among

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Speaker 1: to do that. No, I agree completely, but you got

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Speaker 1: to take your wins where you can. And the fact

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Speaker 1: we can all rejoice in. Okay, real quick, I know

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Speaker 1: those sea hags on the View as usual, this was

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Speaker 1: what this was maybe January, this was tample. They were

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Speaker 1: spouting obvious they do every day about what a horrible

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Speaker 1: person Trump is, now, rotten Trump is and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: I don't follow the View, but I know they kind

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Speaker 1: in January, doubting Trump's ability to get done what he

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Speaker 5: My point when I say I'm not going to be apocalyptic,

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Speaker 5: it's not changing a tune, it's not making every single

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Speaker 5: he gets the Israeli hostages out, I promise I will

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Speaker 5: and say thank you for doing it.

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Speaker 6: Right off.

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Speaker 5: You have to be able to cheer for wins when

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see right.

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Speaker 1: Seems like he held up his into the into the

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Speaker 1: We got some audio the government shutdown. I don't even

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Speaker 2: Very good?

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Speaker 1: We're on day fourteen to the government's shut down. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: getting mouthy. We'll talk about it. We come back to

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Speaker 2: Some people call me into space. So the shutdown? Did

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Speaker 2: we decide? It's day fourteen?

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Speaker 1: Yes, day fourteen, because it began at the beginning of October,

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Speaker 1: so it's easy to keep trying. Ah, very good, thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got some audio that coming up here

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. We do have a big programming

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Speaker 1: announcement Friday. Bo Bye will be here and he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a fascinating conversation. Well, let's face it. I

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Speaker 1: mean he he's running for Secretary of States, Democrat bo Bye,

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Speaker 1: the son of former governor and Senator Evan By and

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Speaker 1: the grandson of Birch By, running for Secretary of State.

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Speaker 1: And he's a smart guy. He knows if he wins

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Speaker 1: our audience, he'll be a Secretary of State. We've done

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Speaker 1: twenty five thousand votes. I got to get flipped. And

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Speaker 1: but if he wins people over, then he'll win.

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Speaker 2: So it's smart guy.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also going to be a fascinating insight

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Speaker 1: and what issues he chooses to get into during his

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Speaker 1: time here. Yeah, like he knows, he knows who's getting

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Speaker 1: into he knows we we load Diego Morales. But he

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Speaker 1: so you know, he's got to he's got to convince

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Speaker 1: That's what he's got to do. He's got to he's

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Speaker 1: got to acknowledge, Hey, there's a bunch of crazy people

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Speaker 2: What is the No Kings?

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Speaker 1: When we come back, Nathan Gotch from Independent Indiana will

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Speaker 1: There's new poll numbers out on Diego. Little teaser here,

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Speaker 1: Casey's out today. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the

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Speaker 1: Circle in for Casey. Nathan Gotch joins us. Now he

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Speaker 3: Well, I just, uh, Rob, I know that you you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll get to that in just a second.

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Speaker 3: We're a non partisan, nonprofit organization, and we want to

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Speaker 3: let people know that independents are already really successful. Fifty

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Speaker 1: All right, so before we get into these numbers, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we pulled registered voters all across the state.

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Speaker 3: Fifty three percent of them are against redistricting, only thirty

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Speaker 1: Well, and Ethan, I think that's interesting because we took

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Speaker 1: Do you get any inclination that there's many lawmakers out there?

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Speaker 3: Look, the dirty little secret about Republican redistricting is if

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Speaker 1: of it, which was the Hoosiers against redistricting.

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Speaker 2: But let's also talk about it. And again I want

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Speaker 2: to come back to you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important you guys used a Republican polster

437
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Speaker 1: for this, you know, you use some big lefty group.

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Speaker 1: The Republican Party in Indiana is very unpopular. Talk about

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Speaker 1: the numbers on the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: So we asked, hoo's your voters how they feel about

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party. Only thirty three percent had a favorable

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Speaker 3: opinion of the Indiana Republican Party, I guess I should

443
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Speaker 3: hold and that is not only is that just surprising

444
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Speaker 3: in general, but people consider Indiana a reliably Republican state.

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Speaker 3: It's surprising that only a third of registered voters have

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Speaker 3: that favorable opinion compared to forty five percent who say no,

447
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Speaker 3: I don't like the Indian Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: And this is why are still so popular that I

449
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Speaker 1: tell people this all the time. It's like people can

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Speaker 1: vote eever they want. They vote mostly because they viewed

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Speaker 1: Democrats as being crazy people, which is how I hope

452
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Speaker 1: your groups, you know, elevates and does well because people

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Speaker 1: need a third option. But people hate their Republican Party

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Speaker 1: in this state. They're just forced to because they have

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Speaker 1: their options so bad. Nathan, I got a question, did

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Speaker 1: you a FA happen to have a follow up after

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Speaker 1: that question, would you vote for the Republican Party? Because

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Speaker 1: the curious dichotomy that I find is, even though there's

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Speaker 1: large unanimity with the dissatisfaction from this party, they are

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Speaker 1: still willing to vote for the Republicans that they dislike

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Speaker 1: because at least they're not a Democrat.

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Speaker 3: So it's a really good question. Let me give you

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Speaker 3: some insights from other questions that might help answer that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so we asked these respondents whether they feel Indiana is

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Speaker 3: headed in the right direction or had things gotten off

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Speaker 3: on the wrong track. Now, overall, only a third of

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Speaker 3: people thought Indiana was head in the right direction. But

468
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Speaker 3: when you ask Republican voters, a quarter of them said

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Speaker 3: Indiana's on the wrong track. So again, Republican voter in

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Speaker 3: a state that's controlled by Republicans, they're not happy about this.

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Speaker 3: And when you start to break down who are these people? Right?

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Speaker 3: Because we asked them, all right, are you a Republican?

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Speaker 3: Are you a Democrat? Are you identifying now as an independent?

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Speaker 3: So of our whole sample, and we talk to six

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Speaker 3: hundred and four respondents, this is primarily via phone. People

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Speaker 3: do still answer unknown numbers. It turns out, See, I need.

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Speaker 1: This because I will never respond to a text message survey.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to get a phone survey. So I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you guys did that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know that they would be calling

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Speaker 3: Europe because they already know how you feel about everything.

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Speaker 3: But only twenty nine percent of who's your voters right

483
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Speaker 3: now are saying they're Republicans. Fifteen percent of them say

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Speaker 3: that they are independents, but they're leaning Republicans. But again,

485
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Speaker 3: that's a choice they're making to actually say, I'm not

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Speaker 3: a Republican right now, I'm an independent. On the Democratic side,

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Speaker 3: only twenty one percent of them said they were Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Would you factor in those numbers. You've got twenty nine

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Speaker 3: percent saying I'm a Republican, twenty one percent saying I'm

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Speaker 3: a Democrat. Forty one percent of who's your voter right

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Speaker 3: now are saying I'm an independent.

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Speaker 2: That's fascinating, all right, So.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the big reveal, which you, you wonderful man,

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Speaker 1: you saved for our show. You asked about two specific

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Speaker 1: political candidates, current incumbent office holders. You started with the

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Speaker 1: governor and his numbers are awful.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm not here to weigh in an opinion

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Speaker 3: on that, but I'm just here to tell you the numbers.

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Speaker 2: So I'll have the opinion.

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Speaker 3: I'll you, I'll let you do that. So we asked

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Speaker 3: people how they felt about Governor Mike Brown, and only

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Speaker 3: twenty four percent of them said they had a favorable

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Speaker 3: opinion of him. Now, I wanted to get a little

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Speaker 3: context for this, so I talked to someone who had

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Speaker 3: worked in the Mitch Daniels administration. I said, was he

506
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Speaker 3: ever at a place where he was underwater on his favorables?

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Speaker 3: And this person said yes, after they pushed through daylight

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Speaker 3: saving time that upset a lot of people, and so

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Speaker 3: he he got really low. This person said, Governor Daniels

510
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Speaker 3: was at forty one and then slowly worked his way

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Speaker 3: back up over the course of his of his terms.

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Speaker 3: So twenty four percent favorable is incredibly low. Forty three

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Speaker 3: percent had an unfavorable opinion of him. And when you

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Speaker 3: dig into the partisan splits, people who say, hey, I'm

515
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Speaker 3: a Republican again, that's just twenty nine percent of Hoosiers

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Speaker 3: right now, fifty three percent of them had a favorable

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Speaker 3: opinion on the governor.

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Speaker 2: So in his own party, you only had him at

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Speaker 2: fifty three percent.

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Speaker 3: That is what the poll results came back as.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I got a question real quick, have you ever

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Speaker 1: seen a governor's administration tank their approval numbers faster than

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Speaker 1: Mike Braun of either party?

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Speaker 3: I guess, well, look, this is the first poll that

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Speaker 3: we've done, so I don't have I don't have a

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Speaker 3: reference for that, but I will tell you that the

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Speaker 3: folks that I have shared this information with before we

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Speaker 3: put them out this morning were consistently shocked by these numbers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the next one which because look, Braun is not

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Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot for the next several years.

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Speaker 1: But that's good to know. The people are on on Braun,

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Speaker 1: and I think that matches what we here on a

533
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Speaker 1: consistent basis on on on this program and see on

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Speaker 1: social media. But then you asked about Diego Morales, the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Secretary of State.

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Speaker 2: He's way underwater. But what's fascinating?

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Speaker 1: And I guess if you're bow Bi or Diego Morales,

538
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Speaker 1: you could see this as a positive or a negative.

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows who the guy is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So overall across the state, fifty seven percent of

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Speaker 3: voters had never heard of Diego Morales. That's pretty high

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Speaker 3: for a statewide official who has traveled to all ninety

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Speaker 3: two counties.

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Speaker 1: But that ninety thousand dollars cars not paying off ethan.

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Speaker 3: But I will tell you that it's it's not out

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Speaker 3: of sort of the realm of normalcy for somebody who's

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Speaker 3: not a governor or a senator or something like that.

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Speaker 3: So overall, the number of hoo's your voters who said

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Speaker 3: they approve of Diego Morales that was five percent.

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Speaker 2: Well, can you say that again for what?

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Speaker 3: Just make sure five percent approval, seventeen percent disapproval or

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Speaker 3: favorable unfavorable technically, And you said, and then.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a little pride in this. You said

554
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Speaker 1: his numbers are worse here in Central Indiana.

555
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Speaker 3: That is true. So in Central Indiana his I have

556
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Speaker 3: these right here. Let me let me pull him up.

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Speaker 3: In Central Indiana, Diego Moreles is six percent favorable, twenty

558
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Speaker 3: one percent unfavorable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm taking credit for that extra four percent

560
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Speaker 1: that you can't stand his guts If he has a

561
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Speaker 1: five percent approval rating overall, what was the margin for

562
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Speaker 1: air in the study.

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Speaker 3: It's four percent, So it could be.

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Speaker 1: As low as one percent. Yes, Diego could actually be

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Speaker 1: at one percent. That would be great.

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Speaker 3: I can I add one more absolutely to this, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting. So among Republicans his approval rating,

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Speaker 3: his favorable is higher. It goes from five percent to

569
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Speaker 3: seven percent. Oh, and the unfavorable is fifteen percent, so

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Speaker 3: he's twice as twice as many people have an unfavorable

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Speaker 3: opinion of him, among Republican Republicans as have a favorable opinion.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you hit the nail on the head. Though.

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Speaker 1: The staggering thing is this guy basically campaigns twenty four

574
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Speaker 1: hours a day, seven days a week. He uses his

575
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Speaker 1: office as nothing but a campaign tool, and fifty seven

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Speaker 1: percent of the people in the state are like, no

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Speaker 1: idea who this guy even is?

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Speaker 2: Thirty thousand dollars for travel will spent rods.

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Speaker 1: Well, and if you're bo bye, both both of you guys, right, Like,

580
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Speaker 1: if you're bo Bye, you got to say, Okay, I

581
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Speaker 1: can paint this guy with whatever canvas I want to

582
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Speaker 1: paint him because I'm going to have, you know, millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars to spend.

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Speaker 2: But if your d diego, you cael also.

585
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Speaker 1: Say, well, most people don't know about the shenanigans I've pulled,

586
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Speaker 1: so I can pay myself.

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Speaker 2: Ever, I want to pay it myself.

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Speaker 1: Nathan tell us about again about independent Indiana. Hey, by

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Speaker 1: the way, if I could raise ten million dollars, you've

590
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Speaker 1: seen these poll numbers, I could raise ten million dollars

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Speaker 1: if I just some benefactor, right, was like, here's ten

592
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Speaker 1: million dollars. I could team up with you guys, I

593
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Speaker 1: could become the governor right, ten million dollars, we can

594
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Speaker 1: pull that off.

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Speaker 3: I'd have to talk to our board of director at first,

596
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Speaker 3: so what do we accept you? But I also look,

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Speaker 3: I think the headline for this is, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of people around the state who feel disillusion

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Speaker 3: with both political parties, with the candidates, with the elected

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Speaker 3: officials we have, and the message of this polling. What

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Speaker 3: this data tells us you are not alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, tell us about Independent Indiana. I think

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Speaker 1: you guys are a great organization. I think you're doing

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Speaker 1: the right thing trying to let people know, Hey, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who view the world if you

606
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Speaker 1: hate both parties. Tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, as I said earlier, we're trying to spread

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Speaker 3: the word about independent success in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 3: You can learn more by going to Independent Indiana dot org.

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Speaker 3: We're also working on a study to try to figure

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Speaker 3: out how we can make it easier for people, maybe

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Speaker 3: like you, mister Kendall, to run for higher office as

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Speaker 3: an independent and be successful. I know that people across

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Speaker 3: the state would quake when they hear that. But we

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Speaker 3: want good people in these elected positions so that they

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Speaker 3: have the freedom to do it's best for their constituents

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Speaker 3: and not feel like they have to kouto out to

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Speaker 3: whatever a political party leader tells them to do.

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Speaker 1: Ten million dollars, that's what I need, Nathan Gotch, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you, Kenel Casey Show ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: Ethan.

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Speaker 1: I gotta gotta help me with some math here, because

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Speaker 1: my politicians would never lie to me. So there's something

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Speaker 1: I'm missing in this math equation. Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's doing

627
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Speaker 1: the afternoon showging with Jim today. So Ethan from Saturday

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Speaker 1: Night on the Circle is in for Casey. So Capitol

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Speaker 1: Chronicle our friends over there at a big article. Indiana

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Speaker 1: revenue comes in strong for September first quarter, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: we're two hundred and seventy million dollars ahead for the

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Speaker 1: first quarter of the year which began in July.

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Speaker 2: Now that is good news.

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Speaker 1: However, the mens of members who run our state made

635
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Speaker 1: very clear at the end of the legislative session that

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Speaker 1: would have been April that the state was out of

637
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Speaker 1: money couldn't pay our bills. The revenue projections were bad.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, we're not going to cut the government.

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Speaker 1: We just have to raise taxes by a billion dollars

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Speaker 1: to fund the government. And I was trying to do

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Speaker 1: some math in my head, and again I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I struck a little bit in math in high school.

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Speaker 2: Luily.

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Speaker 1: We have the handy dandy cellular telephone with the calculator

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Speaker 1: on it, and two seventy plus two seventy plus two

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Speaker 1: seventy plus two seventy, Well that's more than a billion,

647
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Speaker 1: which means they didn't need to raise taxes. So when

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Speaker 1: do we get our tax increases back? This is the

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Speaker 1: same there is something. This is the same drift that

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Speaker 1: they play with the road funding, where they say we

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Speaker 1: don't have enough money to take care of the roads,

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Speaker 1: even though road funding has increased since twenty fifteen to

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Speaker 1: the tune of tens of millions of dollars in increased revenue,

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Speaker 1: but they still play the old SOB story.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're spot on it.

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Speaker 1: We've met Jim Merritt talk about this, and when the

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Speaker 1: session was winding down, he said, look, the responsible thing

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Speaker 1: for the legislature to do would be to say, we

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Speaker 1: want to pass a budget right the second, we can

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Speaker 1: call a special session, as they're clearly open to doing.

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Speaker 1: On redistricting, Let's wait until June, let's see how things look,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll make a decision accordingly before raising taxes

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Speaker 1: on people, which comes to what you said. They just

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Speaker 1: wanted to raise taxes on people. They don't care about

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Speaker 1: actually quote unquote properly funding the government. They just wanted

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Speaker 1: to raise taxes. And you're not hearing a peep from

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Speaker 1: people going, hey, maybe we should while we're in the

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Speaker 1: special session redistricting, unwind some of those tax increases on people,

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Speaker 1: since the revenues appeared to be fine. George Orwell once

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Speaker 1: famously said his vision of the future was government stamping

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Speaker 1: its boot on your face forever. But I think I

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Speaker 1: think he got it slightly wrong, because government turns out

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Speaker 1: to be an infinite pig eating from an infinite trow.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what the government is. Real quick. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to come back. We had Nathan Gotcha on last segment

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Speaker 1: if you missed it from Independent Indiana, and those poll numbers,

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Speaker 1: those putnumbers on Braun are awful for what is he

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Speaker 1: was twenty twenty one percent among Republicans. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a it's just an awful, awful number. So Braun

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Speaker 1: was twenty four percent overall, forty three percent disapproved, twenty

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Speaker 1: four percent approve, forty three disapprove.

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Speaker 2: In his first year in office. That's horrible. You just

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Speaker 2: want election.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of an administration that has managed to

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Speaker 1: tank their approval in such spectacular fashion as the Braun administration.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Has to do with the way he disappointed Hoosier's very

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Speaker 1: specifically on the property tax discussion, and that's reflecting the

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Speaker 1: conversation here where the government is taking in enormous amounts

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Speaker 1: of revenue but they don't care the pain that they

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Speaker 1: have to put you through and squeeze you to get

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Speaker 1: every last dime. Yeah, they can continue to feed at

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Speaker 1: the trough. You're spot on with that, because there's nothing

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Speaker 1: that Braun does that connects with regular people, like when

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Speaker 1: he's on Hammer and Nigel, and they do a great

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Speaker 1: job interviewing him, but it's just like this iloof disconnected,

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Speaker 1: sort of discombobulated answers he gives where there's zero, there's

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Speaker 1: zero in him.

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Speaker 2: Where you go, he.

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Speaker 1: Gets regular people, like he understands what normal people are

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Speaker 1: going through. And I think it's not going to get

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Speaker 1: any better for him.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing he's going to do or shows an inclination

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Speaker 1: or assigned to do that shows it's going to get

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Speaker 1: better for him going forward. Disconnected is an excellent word

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Speaker 1: for it. On their last interview, when he revealed he

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Speaker 1: didn't even know that Blackrock was attempting to buy out

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Primary Electric generating utility, He's completely unaware. This is

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Speaker 1: the capital city, this is somewhere in the boondocks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's take a break. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: Jim Love is going to be our guest. He is

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Speaker 1: with the Boone County Preservation Group. He has a great

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Speaker 1: new piece in the Capitol Chronicle about the IEDC, about

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Speaker 1: the Leap District, about how our money has been wastingce

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Speaker 1: Kenel Case Show ninety three, WIBC