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Speaker 1: Foundation cigars. The olmec is an absolutely terrific smoke. And

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Speaker 1: we've done some other Foundation cigars as well. It's like

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Speaker 1: And lately I have ended up at meetings at a

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Speaker 1: That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy.

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Speaker 1: This is the tabernacle. Havana seed. This is the CT one.

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Speaker 1: Two is the Havana seed, which we is a reference

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Speaker 1: to the rapper. Now we've got this in the double

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Speaker 1: corona size. It comes in a series of atolas or sizes,

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Speaker 1: and this one is the double corona, which it means

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Speaker 1: it's a seven by fifty four. It's seven inches long.

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Speaker 1: Always makes fingers with one laugh. And the ring gauge

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Speaker 1: is a fifty four. That's the diameter of the cigar,

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Speaker 1: or how thick it is around, again with the laughter.

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Speaker 1: Now a sixty four ring gage would be a full

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Speaker 1: where I feel comfortable in the mouthfeel when you're getting

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Speaker 1: It's just that's not a pleasurable experience. The seven inch.

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Speaker 1: I like a longer cigar and this wrapper, this is

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Speaker 1: a just a beautiful not only a beautiful color, like

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Speaker 1: It's the browns with with with almost like almost like

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Speaker 1: the black shows through. That's really where it's at. That

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Speaker 1: a really nice composition of a wrapper.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. And the hand feel is very nice.

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Speaker 2: I'm leaning towards a little bit lighter than I was expecting,

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the actual weight of the cigar, Yes,

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Speaker 1: like the feel of it. You figured it would be

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I always I struggle with describing it that way,

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Speaker 2: to fat shame the cigar.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well we know it's it's fine. Well, body shame this.

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Speaker 1: We can body shame a cigar. And all we want

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Speaker 1: you perfect us, you little fatties in the middle. You yeah,

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Speaker 1: and your pointy heads. We love you. So the the

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Speaker 1: idea of the Havana seed, the the c it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a varietal. And so what you have here is

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Speaker 1: how seeds moved from one place to another, specific how

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Speaker 1: job of explaining this, well done. The cigar has been

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Speaker 1: is beautiful. Again the the wait, I think it's fine,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess you could expect maybe a little

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Speaker 1: as as we've started smoking this thing, there's almost everything

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to take a peek at what other

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Speaker 2: got on Foundation's website Foundation Cigar Company dot com and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how I have a definition for warm spies Because

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Speaker 2: So to me, you know how there's a rye spice

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Speaker 1: Take yeah, because when I hear a warm spice, I

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Speaker 1: but they're saying that pepper is more soud. Now I

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Speaker 2: of broadens out into like a more baking spice isn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tabernacle from Foundation Cigars is what we're smoking here.

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Speaker 1: What did you eat today? What did you drink today?

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Speaker 1: What is the weather like humidity in Indianapolis, Indiana that

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Speaker 1: And so you take the cigar, you break into the

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Speaker 1: and then when you have the cigar a month later,

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Speaker 1: get to keep it here. So everybody knows that when

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Speaker 1: That right there is Fingers Morey, because movies means movie

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really need a special effects department so so bad.

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Speaker 1: We were discussing that. Fingers Moloy went to the movies

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Speaker 1: We were talking about it.

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Speaker 2: On air, and to be fair, I did after the

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Speaker 1: Right, thank you for the information. And I said that

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Speaker 1: We want to make this right, we want to do this,

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Speaker 1: we want to help you with that. Honestly, it was

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Speaker 1: it was an unbelievably nice email. I think it was

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Speaker 2: I think I think he was too nice to you, right,

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Speaker 1: I think that honestly. Honestly, he's just trying to get

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Speaker 2: You think that's what it is. I do you think

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Speaker 1: But they did. They put together a list right here,

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Speaker 1: Hope, floats, hope floats, live, laugh, love. Yes, if you

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Speaker 2: And also one of my passions, Tony, is to future

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Speaker 1: the radio stuff, We've done the podcast up. We have

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Speaker 1: been in the rooms. Other people have been in more rooms. Right,

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Speaker 1: we're not trying to tootor on home. We're just saying

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Speaker 1: that we live in this world. The vote has hurt

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Speaker 1: more people than the gun, and the idea that you

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Speaker 1: would let us sixteen year old vote is insane. I

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Speaker 1: would raise the voting age to fifty seven. Are you insane?

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is gonna future proof? No? Wait,

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Speaker 1: it will future proof the UK if indeed the UK

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Speaker 1: doesn't want a future.

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Speaker 2: Here's my take on this. I have a fifteen year

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Speaker 2: old trying to be sick teen. Oh fantastic. I see

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Speaker 2: her interact with other fifteen and sixteen year olds if

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Speaker 2: it were up to.

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Speaker 1: Somebody, do they interact on the gram?

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Speaker 2: They do the snapchats. I'm quite certain if we just

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Speaker 2: left them on their own, they would live on sour

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Speaker 2: patch kids, that would be their diet.

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Speaker 1: I'm not turning.

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Speaker 2: To these people to future proof our democracy.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, when he said these people, he

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Speaker 1: totally meant these people.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what the United Kingdom is thinking.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. Kids are naive and they can be

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Speaker 2: led down a path through narrative to come up with

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Speaker 2: decisions in a way to live a life and lead

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Speaker 2: a country that can destroy it.

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Speaker 1: And there's no way anyone.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure you're mature enough at eighteen to vote,

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Speaker 2: to be quite honest, but we.

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Speaker 1: Got I say fifty seven, I'm in seventy three. You

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Speaker 1: need to be seventy three years old to be able

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Speaker 1: to vote.

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Speaker 2: But the reason why I brought this up, it's like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: why do you bring this up. It's in the United Kingdom.

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Speaker 2: The talk has been in the United States from some

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Speaker 2: that we should lower the voting age here in the

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Speaker 2: United States to sixteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Yet I can't have a gun at all. Like if

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Speaker 1: they the same people want to lower the voting age,

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Speaker 1: want to tell you that you're never old enough to

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Speaker 1: be able to have a gun. If I go through history,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, if anybody wants to check my

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Speaker 1: historical accuracy, go right ahead. The vote far more powerful tool,

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Speaker 1: far more dangerous tool in the wrong hands, because in

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Speaker 1: the wrong hands people can vote for a way that

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Speaker 1: prevents a vote from ever happening again, almost as dangerous

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Speaker 1: Sour Patch kids. That's that's rough. By the way, Sara

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Speaker 1: Patch's kids are skittles, which is worse skittles. Sure. I

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Speaker 1: have found that over time here on Each Drink Smoke,

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Speaker 1: we Fingers Moloy have become basically America's best dads. And

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Speaker 1: and what we do is that we help other parents

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Speaker 1: get better at what they do because, and certainly not

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Speaker 1: all parents, but there's a fair amount of parents out

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Speaker 1: there who I believe the Latin term is suck. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I feel I don't feel comfortable about this

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Speaker 2: conversation at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe what we're not, maybe we're not the dads,

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Speaker 1: but rather what we are we are surpas life shurpas,

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Speaker 1: and we are helping guide people. If that soda comes

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Speaker 1: out of your nose, I get a new car. I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you right now. I Oh, so close, guys,

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Speaker 1: I was so close to soda flying out of fingers nose.

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Speaker 1: Oh that would have been great.

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Speaker 2: You know, we are here at Each Drink Smoke expanding

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Speaker 2: our merch. Yes, I'm currently wearing one of the new

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Speaker 1: Yes, can can we make life shirt of T shirts? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Not even a question. I'm so happy. Fingers Maloy is

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Speaker 1: life shirt. But Fingers muloy good to be with. You

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Speaker 1: find everything at Eat Drinks smokeshow dot com. It's a

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Speaker 1: story about how younger generations Joe, we talked about would

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Speaker 1: you let a sixteen year old vote? Younger generations have

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Speaker 1: this real failure to launch. I'm not getting out of

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Speaker 1: the house. I'm not getting jobs. They need parents to

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Speaker 1: go with them on a job interview. There's just a

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Speaker 1: total fear of everything, and in a large scale sense,

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Speaker 1: and it certainly is not true of everybody. I have

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Speaker 1: real faith in gen z as opposed to millennials. Whe

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Speaker 1: I have much less faith just based on my observations.

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Speaker 1: It's totally an observational thing. The story is from The Independent,

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Speaker 1: where a California mother talked to CNBC about how much

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Speaker 1: she and her husband pay to financially support their twenty

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Speaker 1: seven year old daughter. The daughter moved back home in

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Speaker 1: early twenty twenty four, and she and her husband are

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Speaker 1: paying an extra five thousand dollars a month fifteen hundred

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Speaker 1: on food, seven hundred on transportation, four hundred on her

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Speaker 1: pet cat. So they're no longer going on vacations. He

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Speaker 1: is considering delaying his retirement. The question before us is

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Speaker 1: why in the world is it five thousand dollars. Listen,

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Speaker 1: there could be all sorts of reasons. Your kid has

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Speaker 1: moved back into the house, all sorts of reasons, but

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Speaker 1: the kid's just gonna stay there. How does it come

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Speaker 1: to five thousand dollars? And what is the kid doing?

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Speaker 2: So I can only assume, first of all, that fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars on food must include a huge amount of

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Speaker 2: door dash and Uber Eats.

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Speaker 1: Has to write yeah, because at fifteen hundred dollars a month,

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Speaker 1: I can feed everybody. Yes, and then some that's that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Seven hundred dollars on transportation, okay? Is that you're paying

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Speaker 1: the car payment and the car insurance or there is

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Speaker 1: no car payment or car insurance and you're paying ride

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Speaker 1: share services for because the kid doesn't drive. Yes, which

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Speaker 1: was a trend. I don't know if that's still a trend.

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Speaker 1: Kids like not driving afraid to drive.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. It just is so foreign to me. You know,

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Speaker 2: you and I have talked about it on several occasions.

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Speaker 2: How it feels like our generation X was like the

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Speaker 2: last generation that really really had a passion for cars.

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Speaker 2: And younger kids. Man, it's sometimes nineteen twenty years old

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Speaker 2: before they get the driver's license. But for seven hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars on transportation, four hundred dollars on her pet cat,

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine unless it's a really sickly cat,

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Speaker 2: that they're taking the vet all the time, and they've

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Speaker 2: got some ridiculous prescription food and actual medication that they're

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Speaker 2: giving the cat. Listen, you you touched on it earlier.

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Speaker 2: If one of my daughters said to me at twenty three,

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Speaker 2: twenty four, can I move back in? I have, you know,

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Speaker 2: a student loan that I want to pay off. I

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Speaker 2: want to start my own business whatever, and I just

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Speaker 2: need some help, of course I would say, please come

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Speaker 2: back home, we'll help.

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Speaker 1: If I see them working and they're actually doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then it's like, Okay, her nose is against the

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Speaker 2: grindstone and I'm working. And but if it's just this,

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Speaker 2: but even even in that, you set a standard in it.

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Speaker 2: My kid has a goal, they're trying to achieve the goal.

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Speaker 2: They're asking me for help in achieving the goal. I

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Speaker 2: can help them achieve the goal. I'll do it now.

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Speaker 2: You could also say you got you got to be

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Speaker 2: able to manage these things. It might take you longer,

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Speaker 2: but you've got to do this on your own, right,

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Speaker 2: depending on the kid and you. But you might say yes,

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Speaker 2: you might say no.

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Speaker 1: But you started with a place of because I would

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Speaker 1: I would be the I would be the no guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you started with the place of you have a goal,

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Speaker 1: and certainly starting a business, well maybe that's a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. That's your investment in talking them with the business.

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Speaker 1: Parents help their kids start businesses all the time. They

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Speaker 1: are different ways to go about doing that. But in

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Speaker 1: this situation, and so the story is from CNBC, there's

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Speaker 1: a growing number of parents who say their children aged

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Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty five are impacting their finances. Forty percent

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Speaker 1: of parents say that supporting their adult children has impacted

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Speaker 1: their saving goals. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no. And this is certainly there's

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Speaker 1: a cultural aspect to play. This is a falt of parenting.

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Speaker 1: And this is a fault to parenting because in yours,

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Speaker 1: as I said, in your setup, they're after something, they

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Speaker 1: have a goal that is an ambition, that is a drive,

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Speaker 1: that is something, and you're like, I can reward that

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Speaker 1: help that I want to cultivate that. Good on you

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Speaker 1: and you're doing what you do right. Yeah, if the

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Speaker 1: kid is like I just I just don't want to work,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. It's also very stressful. You don't understand

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Speaker 1: what it's like. I know what it's going to be

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Speaker 1: like if I'm seventy four and saying welcome to Walmart.

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Speaker 1: And there's, by the way, nothing wrong with doing it,

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Speaker 1: and some people have to do it. There is no

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Speaker 1: issue with it at all. But if I can set

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Speaker 1: myself up now to not be doing that, that's what

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Speaker 1: I want. You don't get to take from me what

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Speaker 1: I want. That's not good parenting. That's my point.

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Speaker 2: The amount of people that I know that are in

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Speaker 2: their fifties and even early sixties that are making their

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Speaker 2: adult children's car payments.

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Speaker 1: No, you do not, not me. I didn't say you

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Speaker 1: you don't really know people do.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you do, not to the point where they're actually

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Speaker 2: working a second.

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Speaker 1: Job or whatever, because they're treating that. I'm not the no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not making it up. Look me and the eye

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Speaker 1: and tell me that's real, that's.

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Speaker 2: Real, working over time because oh my kid needs a

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Speaker 2: helping hand. And then I ask what kind of car

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Speaker 2: they're driving?

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Speaker 1: A BMW? This is not no this Why are you

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Speaker 1: still friends with those people?

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Speaker 2: I'm serious more of a work acquaintance. But the situation

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Speaker 2: here with this story or what I'm talking about, it's

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Speaker 2: one thing. If you break down what you just said earlier,

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Speaker 2: it said, Okay, you're you're helping them because they have

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Speaker 2: a goal and they're working to achieve that goal, versus

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Speaker 2: a sense of entitlement where that's what it feels like here,

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a month.

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Speaker 1: How is that even possible? How is that possible? You're

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Speaker 1: they're living underneath your roof.

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Speaker 2: How could they possibly add five thousand dollars unless they're

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Speaker 2: just sitting back and just with their hand out and

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Speaker 2: you're willing to put the cash.

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Speaker 1: You're there to sacrifice and they're there to take you

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Speaker 1: love your children. You do take care of your children.

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Speaker 1: I pay for my kids education and my oldest is working.

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Speaker 1: We was supposed to be a part time job, it's

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Speaker 1: now a full time and why did you make it

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Speaker 1: full time? Well, I want to be able to make

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Speaker 1: as much as I can and contribute to what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing for college. And I said that's not happening. You'll

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Speaker 1: contribute what you can to an IRA or to a fund,

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Speaker 1: or to stock purchases, to your investments, to your future. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I've got college. You take care of your future. And

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Speaker 1: my kid looked at me like yeah, But I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not having this conversation with you, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: interested in your opinion on this. I've got this part.

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Speaker 1: You've got to take care of. You trying to teach

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Speaker 1: the lesson that you have to focus on your things,

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Speaker 1: and there will come a time where you have a

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Speaker 1: kid's take care and.

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Speaker 2: You will and time is on their side when it

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Speaker 2: comes to that sort of thing. You get fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars in some sort of fund by the time you're

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Speaker 2: thirty years old, and see what it'll be like at

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Speaker 2: sixty five. That's good parenting. You can't you can't be

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Speaker 2: a good parent by giving. You have to be a

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Speaker 2: good parent by giving properly. And sometimes what you have

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Speaker 2: to give is call it the tough love. Sometimes you

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Speaker 2: have to give a no. You have to tell them no.

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Speaker 2: They have to fail to figure out what it means

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Speaker 2: to succeed. And this story is frightening in every single way.

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Speaker 1: You really know somebody doing that. Four hundred dollars in

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Speaker 1: our pet cat