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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. So the shutdown's over?

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Speaker 1: Well no, but yes, okay, let me try my best

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Speaker 1: to explain it. Tony Katz. Tony Katz today is so

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Speaker 1: good to be with. You find everything at Tony katz

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Speaker 1: dot com. The Democrats caved and Chuck Schumer looks the fool.

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Speaker 2: And even though there is a deal.

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Speaker 1: That has been negotiated that has gotten seven Democrats and

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, they're fighting this.

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Speaker 1: Not only have the trolls on social media been fighting this,

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Speaker 1: If you know anything about social media trolls, you know

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Speaker 1: these names. They're vicious, their vile. I assume they're all

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Speaker 1: paid for. That's an assumption, of course on my part.

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Speaker 1: Rokahanna the Republic, I'm sorry, the Democratic congressman from California.

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Speaker 1: He's saying Chuck Schumer has to go. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: already calling for Schumer's ouster. Schumer has failed. He took

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Speaker 1: the Democrats down this road of closing down the government,

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Speaker 1: shutting down the government, the Schumer shut down for forty

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Speaker 1: one days to get nothing nothing. And you will remember,

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Speaker 1: because we shared it right here as clear as day,

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Speaker 2: That's what they were saying.

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Speaker 1: This was Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut senator who lied about his

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Speaker 3: I think that there is no reason were to surrender now,

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Speaker 1: This was Chris Murphy Beta mel also a senator from Connecticut.

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Speaker 3: I think there will be some pretty substantial damage done

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Speaker 1: So he's admitting there that the shutdown was about power

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Speaker 1: and nothing else, and what Democrats are saying is it's

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Speaker 1: because some of them realize that the jig is up.

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Speaker 1: They've lost this battle. Something I said two and a

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Speaker 2: It wasn't true. It was all nonsense. It was made up.

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Speaker 2: And when I said that about Iowa, I got vilified.

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Speaker 2: But I was right. That's what will happen.

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Speaker 1: They will lie, you will notice that that's simply not

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how well these things parallel.

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Speaker 1: Democrats never had an argument regarding the shutdown, never, once, never, ever,

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Speaker 1: there was no reason to shut it down. They wanted

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Speaker 1: So now you have these seven Democrats and one independent

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Speaker 1: the midterms in twenty twenty six, the midterms of November third.

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Speaker 1: Remember that right down the day you're gonna vote, You're

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Speaker 2: Let's stay working. That's my take. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, we need to really look

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Speaker 1: Remember that when the midterm comes November third, twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: this is the mantra, go with it, move with that,

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Speaker 2: That's not part of a new deal to end the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: And we should be clear Schumer failed here. What did

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Speaker 1: Now we should be clear, at least as I understand it,

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Speaker 2: And you're like, WHOA, Well, they're voting on it today.

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Speaker 1: The Senate has changed the situation, right, they changed what

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Speaker 1: So this group of senators got together, it's not even

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Speaker 2: Everybody funding through January thirty.

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Speaker 4: First, this agreement will give Democrats control of the Senate

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Speaker 4: priorities extending the Affordable Care Act premium tax credits. This

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Speaker 2: The Centater Jean Jahine or Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: A real bipartisan appropriations budget process. Republicans control the White House,

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Speaker 1: So I thought this was going to be Speaker Johnson,

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Speaker 4: Now for me in New Hampshire, Not only will it

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Speaker 4: I understand that not all of my Democratic colleagues are

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Speaker 2: So let me be clear.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. So Scotus

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the right case. It wasn't the right case

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Speaker 2: That might be the case here might you'll keep an

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Speaker 2: It was your.

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Speaker 1: And that's just so great.

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Speaker 6: So I actually think that this is not so much

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Speaker 7: So I think actually, what we're seeing is.

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Speaker 1: So let's break this down a little bit because there's

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Speaker 6: Right, Well, if we just look at this new song

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Speaker 1: Messaging, right, what is it that young women and women

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Speaker 1: But you're also addressing something that I've addressed, which is

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Speaker 1: There is no way that men and women's sports, boys

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Speaker 1: a look at these voting results, is this voting block

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Speaker 1: big enough that you must now pay attention and be

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Speaker 1: able to sell yourselves. Sell your story, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: Verra doing story, that Tony Kat's story, the Republican story,

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Speaker 1: for me, a conservative story, how do you sell that

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Speaker 1: story as this is a better option and opportunity.

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Speaker 6: I think you have to have high profile female quote

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Speaker 6: unquote leaders who are making the case one like Kelsea

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Speaker 6: Ballerini did. I went this route and it didn't.

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Speaker 7: Work for me, and I feel dissatisfied with my choices.

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Speaker 6: And then also you have to elevate family women who

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Speaker 6: can tell people, yeah, I did do this and it

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Speaker 6: made my life so much better, so enriching, so fulfilling.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think that the Republican Party or Conservatives

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Speaker 6: have that many vocal women who.

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Speaker 7: Are actually living that life style. I mean a lot

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Speaker 7: of us.

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Speaker 6: I didn't get married until I was twenty nine, and

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Speaker 6: when people ask you know what I think about that,

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Speaker 6: I would say, well, I wish I had gotten married sooner,

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Speaker 6: Like being married is the best thing ever. But you

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Speaker 6: look around at female conservative commentators and a lot of

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Speaker 6: them are not married, do not have children. So we're

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Speaker 6: sort of selling this message that a lot of us

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Speaker 6: are not actually living, which makes that difficult. I also think,

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Speaker 6: you know, in terms of why young women are really

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Speaker 6: susceptible to this liberal message of taking care of victims

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Speaker 6: is women are also naturally conflict avoidant, and so when

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Speaker 6: you have an entire party telling you that you are

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Speaker 6: a racist, a fascist, a homophobic, transphobe if you do

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Speaker 6: not agree with their policies, most women just kind of

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Speaker 6: flip the switch and say, well, okay, I don't want

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Speaker 6: to be that.

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Speaker 7: So I will vote with you.

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Speaker 6: Because they don't want to have that aggressive conflict where

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Speaker 6: they are having to defend themselves constantly from accusations. They

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Speaker 6: would rather just do the thing so that they can

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Speaker 6: avoid having that.

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Speaker 2: Fight in order for that to be true.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Amber Duke, Dailycaller dot com catchers, the host

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Speaker 1: of Rising on the Hill dot com. When you're not

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Speaker 1: listening to my morning show, you can watch her morning

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Speaker 1: show it's allowed. The flip side to your argument is,

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Speaker 1: therefore there is something about this that is attractive to

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Speaker 1: younger female voters.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: Certainly, if you argue a case of conflict avoidance, that's

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Speaker 1: that's interesting, that's something.

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Speaker 2: To take in.

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Speaker 1: But there also has to be something of value on

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Speaker 1: the other side your one argument. I'm not saying it's yours. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: the argument that you are espousing that is believed is

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Speaker 1: the idea of agreement and being able to feel welcome.

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Speaker 1: So that brings us to something I mentioned ones on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Actually you actually wrote about.

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Speaker 1: This is Jennifer Welch, this new shining star of the left.

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Speaker 2: The left is finally found there Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 1: She was a host on Bravo for like two years

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Speaker 1: doing a home renovation type of show, interior design show.

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Speaker 1: She's cursing every four seconds, and it is not I

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Speaker 1: don't think I get to you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you should judge people on how they look. I will say,

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Speaker 1: this is not the look I want my young sons

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Speaker 1: to go for. This is angry, this is bitter, this

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Speaker 1: is vicious, this is nasty, And I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: speaking at a school here. I think I'm dead inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: You literally wrote the headline. Democrats think reality TV has

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Speaker 1: been Jennifer Welch will save them good luck. Young women

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Speaker 6: So here's why I think that even though she comes

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Speaker 6: across as very aggressive and actually seeking conflict, why it's

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Speaker 6: still conflict avoidant behavior because the left does not break rakes.

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Speaker 6: They do not have internal debates with each other. They

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Speaker 6: do not condemn right. They don't do like the ritual

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Speaker 6: condemnations that the right consistently feels forced to do.

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Speaker 7: So she can go on TV.

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Speaker 6: And criticized Dad Vans for having an Indian wife while

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Speaker 6: supporting President Trump. She can accuse Mike Johnson of being gay,

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Speaker 6: and this is just a small smattering of some of

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Speaker 6: the nasty things she said on TV, and the left goes,

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Speaker 6: you're amazing. We're going to make you a star. You're

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Speaker 6: the best thing that's ever happened to the podcast world.

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Speaker 6: You are the left, Joe Rogan, we love you so much.

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Speaker 6: If she were doing this on the right, the right

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Speaker 6: would say, you need help, and we need to make

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Speaker 6: sure that we are either sort of getting you away

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Speaker 6: from this toxic things that you're saying on TV, or

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Speaker 6: we're going to push you out of the movement. And

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Speaker 6: so I think when women look at the conservative movement

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Speaker 6: and there's a lot of constant debate happening. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we saw it last week with all of the Heritage

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Speaker 6: and Tucker stuff. That's that's conflict, right, that's internal conflict.

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Speaker 6: So when they're part of an in group, they don't

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Speaker 6: want to be having their own group sort of pushing

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Speaker 6: them and challenging them.

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Speaker 2: She called Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House gay.

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Speaker 7: Oh yes, repeatedly, what's right? It's one of her six.

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Speaker 1: What is it about the left that they all tell

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Speaker 1: us that we should embrace homosexuality, we should embrace the

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Speaker 1: trans culture, embrace everything. By the way, there's a real

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Speaker 1: giant difference between homosexuality and trance culture.

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Speaker 2: The elergy and the be should be dropping the tea

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Speaker 2: right away.

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Speaker 1: It should have happened years ago, and now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden they utilize that as an insult.

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Speaker 2: When did that happens?

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Speaker 6: It's actually incredible, and I think it actually tells you

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Speaker 6: that a lot of this sort of embrace of the

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Speaker 6: LGBT community as they call it, is very facially fake.

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Speaker 6: It's obviously politically motivated. They convinced these people that they

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Speaker 6: were victims, and so they had to ride along with

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Speaker 6: the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 7: But then you see that what jd.

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Speaker 6: Vance called quote unquote normal gays are breaking more for Republicans,

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Speaker 6: and so the gays are no longer useful to them,

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Speaker 6: only the teaser.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. Wait a second.

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Speaker 1: Every now and again you get hit with an answer

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Speaker 1: it's just correct, that's correct, And when someone is not useful,

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Speaker 1: you know, we discuss the fact that if you're black

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Speaker 1: and conservative to the left, you're really not black. And

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Speaker 1: if you're gay and conservative to the left, you're really

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Speaker 1: not gay. And if you're a woman and conservative to

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Speaker 1: the left, you're really not a woman, which is something

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Speaker 1: I would only bet dollars on that you have run

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Speaker 1: across in your life. But getting back to this conversation

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Speaker 1: about getting the vote, if you're advising Republicans as we

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Speaker 1: are less than a year away from the midterms, is

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Speaker 1: there one step, two steps, three steps to making yourself

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Speaker 1: more attractive as a candidate to younger women and what

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Speaker 1: it is they're concerned with or looking at, or or

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Speaker 1: what they're being inundated with.

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Speaker 2: What is your take?

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Speaker 6: So I think one of the biggest lessons, and this

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Speaker 6: is not even specific to young women, but it is

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Speaker 6: something that motivated them specifically very high during this last election,

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Speaker 6: which is what we've been talking about, the affordability issue.

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Speaker 7: Even the young women who.

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Speaker 6: Maybe want to start a family one day feel like

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Speaker 6: they're never going to have the opportunity to purchase a home,

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Speaker 6: that they're going to have to be dual income earners

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Speaker 6: them and whoever they eventually marry, and so that just

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Speaker 7: And I think that's one of the reasons why women

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Speaker 7: are getting married later.

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Speaker 6: Why some of them, when you ask them in polls

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Speaker 6: what matters most to them, they put marriage and children

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Speaker 6: really low down because they are so singularly focused on

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Speaker 6: achieving what they view as financial success before they do

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Speaker 6: those things. I think the second part of it is

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Speaker 6: framing these issues of immigration and public safety and crime,

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Speaker 6: which are still really resonant with voters even a year

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Speaker 6: after Trump's selection, is to frame those around how they

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Speaker 6: impact women. There are so many stories on the immigration

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Speaker 6: front of people like Joscelyn Nungary, Rachel Moren, Lincoln Riley,

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Speaker 6: and on the crime front of women who have been victimized,

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Speaker 6: and I think being able to elevate those stories a

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Speaker 6: little bit more and make it.

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Speaker 7: Very specific is perhaps an effective.

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Speaker 6: Way to get them to care about that issue, because

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Speaker 6: when we see the difference between unmarried women and married women,

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Speaker 6: married women care about public safety because they want their

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Speaker 6: kids to be safe. So for young women to care,

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Speaker 6: we have to convince them that you are not safe,

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Speaker 6: which is the reality in a lot of these blue cities,

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Speaker 6: right And unfortunately some people don't really get that until

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Speaker 6: they see it personally.

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Speaker 7: And I think that just has to be hammered home

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Speaker 7: really hard.

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Speaker 1: Amber Duke, the Daily Caller and rising over there at

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Speaker 1: the Hill dot Com, appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 1: be with us more to get to.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Well, clearly Donald Trump does not want Thanksgiving to be

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Speaker 1: an issue because his message to air shopping controllers is

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Speaker 1: get yourself back to work, Tony Kats. Tony Katz, today

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Speaker 1: I went long in my conversation with Amberduke. I apologize

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Speaker 1: to all the affiliates. All air traffic controllers must get

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Speaker 1: back to work now. Anyone who doesn't will be substantially ducked.

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Speaker 1: That is what President Trump put out there he's also

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Speaker 1: recommending a bonus of ten thousand dollars per person for

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Speaker 1: anybody who didn't take time off during the Democrat shut

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Speaker 1: down hoax. Well, of course it had to be a hoax.

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Speaker 1: But also, oh damn, by the way, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if he can do it. But neither here nor

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Speaker 1: there telling air traffic controllers get back. This is all

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Speaker 1: because you don't want Thanksgiving disruption, deslays delays because.

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Speaker 2: It he knows it can be pinned on Republicans. You

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Speaker 2: don't need it.

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Speaker 1: This is the concern, no question, the ramifications Democrats collapsed. Now,

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Speaker 1: life is short. Remember Democrats are on top of the

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Speaker 1: world a week ago. Find everything at Tony Katz dot

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Speaker 1: com and.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe over there as well. I'd appreciate it tomorrow. Everyone

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Speaker 2: needs take that