1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: a very special guests on the hotline. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: The chief of police for the IMBD is Chris Bailey. Chief, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time to join 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: us here on a Monday, big headline this morning. Action 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: downtown over the weekend and the mayor. And it sounds 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: like you too, pretty fired up about certain bars, certain 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: bar owners in the way they're doing business. 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate. Things have been going really 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: well down there. We got seventy thousand, seventy five, seventy 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: thousand plus kids in the chaperones, FFA in and out, 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: no issues. You know, it's always a big weekend for 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: US Pacer game, we got Colts games, we got all 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: the things. People come and go, and yet consistently we 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: have a problem in about a two block area, consistently 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: over the course of the last I don't know how 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: many years, and we had some significant, significant problems with 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: a few bars. Those bars were eventually shut down and 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 3: those places remain empty to this day, and yet we 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: continue to still have these issues. And then, you know, 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: for the life of me, I can't understand why, and 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into specific names of bars 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: or any of those things. Because there's people that do 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: what they're supposed to do every single weekend and we 25 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 3: don't have any issues from it, and they know who 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: they are. The ones that have issues, they know who 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: they are because they hear from us routinely. We try 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: to work with them. We try to bring exercises. I 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: met with a group of South and Meriding Street and 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: other bars operators, managers, building owners a couple months ago 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: and when I saw things ramping back up that had 32 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: been gone for a while, and I thought my message 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: was clear that ultimately they're accountable for what happens inside 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: their establishments and provided them things they could do to 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: help themselves, help the area, help their community excise, gave 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: them some things that they can do. Some of those 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: folks listened, there's maybe not so much. So you know, 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: we can't let we can't have these things happen, and 39 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: they do have some accountability, but ultimate, at the end 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: of the day, the person that pulled the trigger in 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: both those two instances are the people responsible? 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: And have you heard from two questions? Have we found 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: the person that pulled the trigger? And then secondly, have 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: we heard I'm sure you talked to bar owners that 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: are doing the right thing and that are concerned about 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: things that are going on downtown. 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, after my meeting I had with them, 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: everyone was in their room, whether whether you you are 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: a person who is problematic, your bar problematic, the people 50 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: that attend your bar problematic or not, they had to 51 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: listen to me. And I think some of them were 52 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: pretty maybe they didn't, you know, appreciate that they were 53 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: being brought into the same room and had to listen 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: to the principal talk about the problems and the consequences 55 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: and and but I had conversations with them a couple 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: after the fact, and you know, explain my position that 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to single out. I'm trying to make 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: everybody work together. You know. Some of the suggestions were, 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: if you have a person that's problematic in your bar 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 3: and they're they're what's going to keep them from walking 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: down the street and walking in someone else's bar and 62 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: being problematic? Are you sharing information? Are you talking to 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: each other? Are you doing those things? And I'm not 64 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: sure that they are to the extent that they should. 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: You know, just a few months ago, the bar right 66 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: next door to this one had two women shot in 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: the leg by a armed security guard and employee of 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: the bar who was trying to, you know, basically allegedly 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: extort them for uh, you know, uh cover charge that 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: they weren't charging to get in there. So that that 71 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: can't be impd's fault, right, It can't be all the 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: other systems all that. That is a problem with who 73 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: are you hiring, why are you hiring them, what are 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: their directions and those type of things. So there's a 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: little bit of a blame to go around to a 76 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: lot of different people with these incidents. 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: Chief when it comes to blame, and I know that's 78 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: you know, a word that we're going to throw out there, 79 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: and everybody wants to find somebody to blame. I said 80 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: earlier on the show. I feel like multiple things can 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: be true here. I feel like you can criticize the 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 2: bars themselves for maybe a lack of security or letting 83 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of things go. But also, I mean, you've 84 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: got a bunch of repeat offenders that are still out 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: on the street with violent records and they're allowed to, 86 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: you know, go into these same establishments as anybody else. 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 2: I feel like there's equal blame there. Does that make sense? 88 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: No? No, yeah, one thing doesn't have to be true, right, 89 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: there's like I said, there's a little piece that goes around. 90 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: I mean, this particular incident I just found out, you know, 91 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: after a conversation with the Nigel earlier today, when I 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: did some research on my own about something. One of 93 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: the persons was only twenty years old. Shouldn't even been 94 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: in the bar, right. And then you talk about people 95 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: that are involved in other criminal offenses, and I'm not 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: going to talk about the victims in this case, but yeah, 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: we do see these repeat violent offenders or these repeat 98 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: offenders that end up somehow with another gun and they 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: go out just like everybody else. So there's, yeah, there's 100 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: a lot of blame to go around. But in this 101 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: particular case is on preventable. We spend an exorbitant amount 102 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: of money over time, money just for those two couple 103 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: blocks of downtown. And it's frustrating for me because it 104 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: should be frustrating for tax phase. They're certainly not generating 105 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: that much tax money back into the economy that we're 106 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: spending down there to make sure adults who should know 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: better can go out, have a good time and go home. 108 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: And let me be clear about something else. Ninety nine 109 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: point nine percent of the people do that. But it 110 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: only takes one or two and like in this particular incident, 111 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: to catch somebody with the around walking on the street, 112 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: or suddenly a gunfire erupts in a building where you're 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: trapped and combined, where some money can be seriously killed, 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: or multiple people can be hit by bullets like we 115 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: saw in that one bar. 116 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: Talk a little look. I'm not a bar owner. I 117 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: don't know much about running a bar, but I've been 118 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: going to bars for a long time. I'm forty nine 119 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: years old. I've Here's what I understand. Here's what I understand. 120 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I understand that you cannot operate a bar successfully and 121 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: with no problems if the employees are also drinking along 122 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: with the patrons. Is that a problem with some of 123 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: these bars downtown that you're finding, is that the employees 124 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: are also imbibing along with the patrons. 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had that reported to me from our officers 126 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: where we've had issues and you go to talk to 127 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: the manager, or you see bartenders and they're half popped themselves. 128 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: That there have been those reports to me, It's not unusual. 129 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: I think if you've been going to bars as long 130 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: as you say, and I have no doubt that you have. 131 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Nigel, Yeah, there was an awkward public. 132 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: To stop my laugh from coming out. But help uh 133 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: that you know you see that, you know some bar 134 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: people at the bar will buy the bartender shots, right 135 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 3: and how many times the night does that happen? Sure? Uh? 136 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: And if you're part of your responsibilities to make sure 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: people aren't overserved, and you can't do that if you 138 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: yourself have been overserved. So I'm not saying it's rampant. 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying that it happens. It has happened. Uh, And 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure it happens, and not just bars downtown, but 141 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: all over all over what we see those kind of things, 142 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: and those are things that as a business owner or 143 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: manager you just can't you can't put up with. 144 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: Speaking with the chief of police for I M b D. 145 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: Chris Bailey here on The Hammer and Nigel Show, Chief, 146 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: we hear from your bosses and city leaders, Downtown Indy 147 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: is the safest part of Indy, especially when there's an 148 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: election year. You hear that at every single debate and campaign. 149 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: When these headlines come out and they happen unfortunately quite 150 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: a bit. It feels like, what's your response when you 151 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: hear somebody in your city say, you know what I 152 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: like downtown Indy. I'm rooting for downtown Indy, but I 153 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: don't feel safe being downtown after ten o'clock. 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's the hardest part of our job 155 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: is to fight perception. You can, you can put numbers 156 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: out all you want, obviously, if it believes it leads 157 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: the headlines that people see, you know, on new websites. 158 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: You know, what leads off every newscast, as it will 159 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: tonight and probably tomorrow will be what happens down there, 160 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: you know, And that's at the detriment I think sometimes 161 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: in downtown Downtown, no doubt, is an economic engine of 162 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: the entire state of Indiana. We all have a vested 163 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: interest in making sure that it's safe and it's a 164 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: great place to live, work and visit, and it is. 165 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: But when you have these things happen, it is always 166 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: a step back. It is always another puncheon they gut 167 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: and another black guy. I've had at least three different 168 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: police conventions in this city this year, and every time 169 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: I go and open remarks or at the end of 170 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 3: I speak to people that I know from all of 171 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: the country. They love our city, they felt safe in 172 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: our city, but they may also not have been on 173 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: it one in the morning or two in the morning. 174 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: What's the old saying, nothing good happens after midnight. And 175 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: I'm especially believing that now with the amount of people 176 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: who aren't afraid to pull the trigger, who have conflict issues, 177 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 3: who may be high or drunk or both at the 178 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: same time out that late, if you bumping into them 179 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: the wrong way, something bad might happen. It's very unfortunate, 180 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: and I wish it hadn't had But we're going to 181 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: keep doing everything we can to let people know the 182 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 3: downtound safe, but also help them understand that it is, 183 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: and do our you know, make it actually make it safe. 184 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: Well, Chief, I know the job's not easy, and you 185 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: guys have a thankless job, but keep up the hard work. 186 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: Man. 187 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: Tell your officers there's a lot of people out there, 188 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: specifically the listeners of our show, that are rooting for 189 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: them and be safe. 190 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: And you know who ran toward the gunfire over the weekend. 191 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: IMPD officers, we're all should be very grateful and thankful 192 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: for him. I know I am, and I appreciate the 193 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: time to come on a show and talk about the 194 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: great work that they do every single day because they're 195 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: the best of us. 196 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.