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Speaker 1: Greetings and salitations on a Tuesday. My name is Jake

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Speaker 1: Query Eddie Garrison the other voice you hear on this program.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Jake and our listeners.

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Speaker 1: His hair perfectly matted down, and apparently Monday evening is

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Speaker 1: shower night. Is that right? I shower every day, Jake.

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Speaker 1: The hair looks perfectly shiny, and you kind of look

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Speaker 1: like I can't tell if it's Spanky from our gang

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Speaker 1: or one of the kids from the sandlot with the hair. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, but your hair looks you look.

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Speaker 1: My point being, you look all freshen up and ready.

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason I bring this up. And we

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Speaker 1: have plenty to get to in regards to the NFL

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Speaker 1: and the Colts and the Colts quarterbacking situation. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean. I don't mean because I'd like to make

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Speaker 1: a proclamation that I'm going to make a show announcement.

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Speaker 1: But we have other things to also get to today,

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Speaker 1: which includes you are ready, I can tell for the

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Speaker 1: pregame show for the Indiana Fever tonight in a win

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Speaker 1: or go home game or stay home game, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: win or go home. I guess, yeah, win or go home.

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Speaker 1: They're already home though, so it's winner, stay home because

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Speaker 1: if you win, you go back to Atlanta for Game three.

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Speaker 1: If you lose, you stay home and your year is

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Speaker 1: over with. But nonetheless, tonight it is a decisive game

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Speaker 1: number well, potentially decisive if they were to lose, not

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Speaker 1: decisive if they were to win. A critical playoff game

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Speaker 1: game number two tonight between the Fever and the Atlanta Dream.

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Speaker 1: It is a best of three and Atlanta holds a

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Speaker 1: one nothing lead, so you can do the math from there.

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Speaker 1: We will get into that over the course of today.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, Scott Agne is going to join us

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Speaker 1: two o'clock hour today. We have Steven Holder joined us

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Speaker 1: just about an hour from now. We'll go over the

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Speaker 1: latest from the Colts, including the injury report, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: and kind of slide and transition from putting a tie,

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Speaker 1: if you will, on what happened with Denver and move

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Speaker 1: forward now to Tennessee. And in doing so, I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that you look for in any

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Speaker 1: team as it progresses and as it grows. You could

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Speaker 1: see this with the Pacers. The Pacers this past season

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Speaker 1: once they were healthy, and at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 1: if you remember, it was easy to forget that ANDREWD

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Speaker 1: m Hard and Aaron Nesmith were both hurt for the

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Speaker 1: better part of the beginning of the season for Indiana,

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Speaker 1: and they dropped a lot of games that you were like,

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Speaker 1: what is going on with the Pacers? I thought they'd

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Speaker 1: be better than this, And then it all came together

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Speaker 1: for them once they were healthy, and once they were

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Speaker 1: healthy and rolling in the unusual event, if you would

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Speaker 1: to a game that you didn't think you were going

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Speaker 1: to lose, I've always felt like, then you make up

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Speaker 1: for that, or you feel better about it if you

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Speaker 1: then go and win a game, that's a surprise. So

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Speaker 1: if you lose, let's say, a home game to you know, Washington,

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Speaker 1: and you think, man, that is an inexcusable loss. But

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Speaker 1: then you go and you get a road game win

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City, you go, okay, probably balanced out there, right.

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Speaker 1: And in the NFL, I think that for the Colts

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Speaker 1: a year ago, for example, you kind of didn't know

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Speaker 1: from one game to the next what their chances were

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Speaker 1: gonna be whether they're going to win or lose. But

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Speaker 1: this year, and it's only two games. It's only two games.

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Speaker 1: But what they're doing right now, what the Colts have

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Speaker 1: been able to do is be remarkably efficient, and that

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Speaker 1: efficiency the most offensive yards for a Colts team through

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl era to do exactly that. They are

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Speaker 1: playing at a clip offensively. That is, it doesn't blow

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Speaker 1: goals and not touchdowns. But they are remarkably efficient and

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Speaker 1: they are taking care of the football and that has

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Speaker 1: allowed them to win these two games. But what is

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Speaker 1: interesting to me, and part of the growth and maturation

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Speaker 1: games games now that you anticipate them winning. A year ago,

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Speaker 1: I think in any game for the Colts going into it,

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Speaker 1: as a spring forward, is in fact not having let

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Speaker 1: down games where if you've won that game, you probably

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Speaker 1: got a little help from the football gods, and you

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Speaker 1: win that game on that field goal after that penalty.

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Speaker 1: Now the question becomes, do you offset that now by

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Speaker 1: an opponent that is probably one of the bottom three

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Speaker 1: team that is making progress, then you win the games

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to win. And I don't know going into

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Speaker 1: would be one of them. Now, Eddie, let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, unequivocally, the New Orleans Saints are there.

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Speaker 1: I would still put the Carolina Panthers in the bottom quartile.

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Speaker 1: The other two Tennessee and Maan. I can't think of Chicago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chicago's pretty hapless. I mean, they can't seem to get

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Speaker 1: out of their own way, right, But my point being,

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Speaker 1: Tennessee's definitely there. Miami, Miami's very high on the list. Oh, Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's pretty bad too, although Cleveland's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: points a week one, right, they at least looked offensively competent.

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Speaker 1: And it's hard to say because they just got blown out,

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Speaker 1: but they were playing Baltimore, who's one of the best teams.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but my point being, you ask anybody on

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Speaker 1: the worst teams in the NFL. You're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: regional bias, some divisional bias, But I think Tennessee would

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Speaker 1: be a most people's bottom four list right now. Still

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Speaker 1: young quarterback, et cetera. And that is a game that

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Speaker 1: they should get, that they should get. Now, I have

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Speaker 1: a proclamation to make regarding the Indianapolis Colts. I have

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Speaker 1: happen to have Eddie the breaking news sounder. I'm late

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Speaker 1: I know I'm late to the party. But effective today

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Speaker 1: is today the fifteenth or sixteenth? Today is the sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five. Through two weeks, I am at

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Speaker 1: this point prepared to say that we will not continue

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Speaker 1: That is not to say that I think two weeks

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Speaker 1: they have suddenly found themselves a quarterback that got a

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Speaker 1: don't know that there's still a lot of football to

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Speaker 1: But between some of the videos that you've seen of

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Speaker 1: are now responding to Daniel Jones and the offensive efficiency

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Speaker 1: Those are the reasons Shane Steiken tabbed him, and they

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Speaker 1: then turns into this question of what kind of quarterback

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Speaker 1: football and they kind of fall into different categories. Now,

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Speaker 1: I did not assign Daniel Jones a category here, but

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Speaker 1: I made a list of categories of NFL quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. And I want people to tell me, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want people to tell me which group at ceiling

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Speaker 1: if everything goes perfectly and whatever else. Okay, I have

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Speaker 1: and there are five tiers here, Okay, really, to be

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Speaker 1: But let me explain tier number one. This is just

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Speaker 1: this is the Jake Querry opinion. And I realized some

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Speaker 1: of these can be debated. Tier number one franchise quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: These are quarterbacks that right now, based on and this

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Speaker 1: But these are the quarterbacks that, regardless of who's around them,

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Speaker 1: my opinion. Group number one the franchise quarterbacks, I have

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Speaker 1: used to be in Group one, right, Matthew Stafford, Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, I love, I'm trying to read my handwriting.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. That's who I have in that group. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Group number three. These are guys that you are in

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Speaker 1: that vat of mediocrity. You're not terrible, you're not great.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go for you ten and seven every year. Tua,

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields, C J. Stroud, Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith,

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Speaker 1: They're not great.

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Speaker 2: Can you repeat that? I'm writing this down out here.

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Speaker 1: For my Tier three Tua, CJ. Stroud, Justin Fields, Brock Purty,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, Gino Smith, and Kyler Murray. I don't mean

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Speaker 1: they're your starter. More often than not, you're going eleven

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Speaker 4: Looking back at the end of the game there, going

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Speaker 4: back through it, obviously getting the first down there with

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Speaker 4: Alec probably should have been more aggressive there, got a

433
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Speaker 4: lot of faith and spence to make a kick. But

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Speaker 4: I don't want to put him in those situations from

435
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Speaker 4: that deep. We had three timeouts, probably could have thrown

436
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Speaker 4: the ball on second or third down there in that

437
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Speaker 4: situation to get it close to a field goal.

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Speaker 1: So learn from that.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, don't want to do that to our guys again.

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Speaker 4: But obviously we had you found a way to win there. Thankfully.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about carl ers Gordon

442
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Speaker 1: taking notes of some of the play calls, and I

443
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Speaker 1: think that's much ado about nothing. I thought an outstanding

444
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Speaker 1: point was just made right before we were on on

445
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Speaker 1: ESPN Radio talking about that about how it's easy for

446
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Speaker 1: people to point out is it does it make and

447
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: is it overstepping? Does it make coaches and general managers

448
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: nervous when they look over and their owners on the

449
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: sideline were in headsets and keeping notes and they're saying

450
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Speaker 1: that about carl ersay Gordon standing there keeping her notes

451
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Speaker 1: with her headset on, and how weird is that and

452
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Speaker 1: why is the owner wearing headsets and et cetera. Yet

453
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Speaker 1: last night, if you watch Money That Football, they show

454
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady up in the box for the Raiders. He

455
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Speaker 1: is a part owner, not the soul admittedly not the

456
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Speaker 1: buckstops here guy, but he is a part owner of

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and he's up there with a headset on,

458
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Speaker 1: and it's like, man, what a huge advantage for the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: What a benefit for the Raiders? So why, on one

460
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Speaker 1: hand is it odd and weird and pressure and on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, it's an advantage. I think that's a

462
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Speaker 1: very fair question.

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Speaker 2: I think there are people complaining about the fact that Brady's,

464
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Speaker 2: you know, the lead broadcaster for Fox.

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Speaker 1: I think that's also fair. Like, I mean, yeah, that's.

466
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Speaker 2: The issue that the NFL put themselves in. But like,

467
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Speaker 2: I don't get why this is such a big problem. Like,

468
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Speaker 2: Brady's a part owner of the Raiders. He can do

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Speaker 2: whatever the heck with once.

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Speaker 1: But but Eddie, I do think that I think the

471
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Speaker 1: concern of the conflict of interest before we get to

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, here is this. If Tom Brady is a

473
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Speaker 1: broadcaster for Fox and he also has ownership of a team.

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Speaker 1: If Tom Brady is broadcasting a game. I watched Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady two weeks ago. I had the on the Commander's

476
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Speaker 1: I think it was Commander's Giants game, and Brady was

477
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Speaker 1: the booth analyst. Now can you look up for me

478
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Speaker 1: the Raiders schedule, just out of curiosity. There is a

479
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Speaker 1: conundrum that is approaching quickly. I do know this. What's that?

480
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Speaker 1: So Brady's on.

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Speaker 2: The call for a Bears game, okay, and then the

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Speaker 2: Raiders play the Bears the exact That's it.

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Speaker 1: The next week. So that's it. So when as a broadcaster,

484
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Speaker 1: it's on the call for Bears Cowboys this weekend and

485
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: then the Bears play the Raiders. If you're a booth analyst,

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Speaker 1: you go in and you meet with the coaches that

487
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Speaker 1: week and you go over you know, Okay, So what

488
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Speaker 1: do you guys think in what do you like about?

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Speaker 1: You know, you hear him say it all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean Chris collins Worth or Al Michaels or Mike Tarico,

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Speaker 1: you know, they say all the time. When we met

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Speaker 1: with the coaches yesterday, they were telling us they really

493
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Speaker 1: liked what they see out of DJ Giddens. This is

494
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Speaker 1: a guy they really think highly of.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Brady's allowed to do that, understood, but

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Speaker 2: he's still I get it. Yeah, I mean like I

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Speaker 2: can be not privy to meetings that take place, and

498
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Speaker 2: then I come in here and I'm in a booth

499
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Speaker 2: with you for three hours during commercial breaks, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? At any rate, it was an interesting

501
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Speaker 2: observation and Shane Steichen though explaining his thought process at

502
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Speaker 2: the end of the game. Now, Daniel Jones, when I

503
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Speaker 2: was talking about quarterbacks and the way you tear them

504
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Speaker 2: and where and why we where we think Daniel Jones

505
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Speaker 2: slots in in what his long term would be in Indianapolis.

506
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Speaker 2: And again, we had franchises, We had franchise quarterbacks, and

507
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Speaker 2: we had quarterbacks that you can win with, but you

508
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Speaker 2: may need to put some help around them. Then you

509
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Speaker 2: had quarterbacks that are keeping it just kind of in

510
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Speaker 2: a holding pattern where you're drafting in the middle every year.

511
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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with them. They're perfectly sufficient, but they

512
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Speaker 2: don't necessarily go out and win you games, but they

513
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Speaker 2: don't lose you games either.

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Speaker 1: Then you have the quarterbacks that are just holding the

515
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Speaker 1: wheel for the next guy. In this town, you have

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Speaker 1: essentially seen there have been let's say, four quarterbacks that

517
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Speaker 1: very clearly were the quarterback. You know, we had periods

518
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis where you have like five quarterbacks at one time.

519
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Speaker 1: I mean at one time it was now I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you like, it's Mike Pegel, No, it's Gary Hogeboom, No,

521
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Speaker 1: it's Archleister, No, it's Mark Herman. We'll just wait because

522
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Speaker 1: they're gonna go out and they're gonna get Don Mkowski

523
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna get you know, Browning Nagel. You know

524
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Speaker 1: it was just a rotation all the time, and they

525
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Speaker 1: were trying something different every single week. And then you

526
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Speaker 1: you really and then it was like, no, they're gonna

527
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Speaker 1: get Steve Walsh and Craig Erickson and Harviy. You know,

528
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Speaker 1: people forget when Jim Harball got here, he wasn't even

529
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Speaker 1: really thought that he was gonna be the guy, but

530
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Speaker 1: he ascended and then there you go. But when Harball left,

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Speaker 1: you know, Harball got hurt. He ends up going to

532
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Speaker 1: Baltimore and they end up with the draft pick that

533
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Speaker 1: becomes Peyton Manning. And then with Peyton Manning, obviously he

534
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Speaker 1: took every snap. Yes, I realized that Jim Sorgie was

535
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Speaker 1: the backup for the better part of Peyton Manning's time here.

536
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Speaker 1: But you look at especially in his career, the backups

537
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Speaker 1: were basically guys that were there to tutor Peyton Manning

538
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Speaker 1: and that was it. You know, veteran guys who've been

539
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Speaker 1: you know, Mark Rippen, who'd been around a long time,

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Speaker 1: and they're there to you know, Don Strock I think

541
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Speaker 1: for the first year, and they were there just everybody

542
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Speaker 1: knew they weren't going to see the field. Now you

543
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Speaker 1: had Jeff George that they took in ninety, but you

544
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Speaker 1: already had Trudeau on the roster, and there was a

545
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Speaker 1: little bit of a battle there, and you change coordinators

546
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Speaker 1: every year and whatever else. And then they end up

547
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Speaker 1: trading Jeff George. But then you bring in Andrew lock.

548
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Speaker 1: Can we know the story there? Since then, they kept

549
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Speaker 1: kicking the can. Daniel Jones is the first quarterback that

550
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Speaker 1: I can think of, or the first opportunity that I

551
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Speaker 1: can think of, And I think he's a nice player,

552
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Speaker 1: and he may be a really good player for them.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they found it. Perhaps they found Baker Mayfield, Tampa's

554
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfl. Perhaps they found Detroit's Jared Goff and I

555
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: realized they had Matthew Stafford. So maybe a bad example there,

556
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Speaker 1: but Goff has become a really good player. He was

557
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: a good player with the Rams, but he's a really

558
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: good player for the Lions as well. Sometimes guys just

559
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: need a change of scenery and then all of a

560
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: sudden you see them blossom. So maybe Daniel Jones, maybe

561
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Speaker 1: this is who he is. Maybe they found something where

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Speaker 1: this is the long term. This guy is the guy,

563
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Speaker 1: and a year from now, everybody's going to be sitting

564
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Speaker 1: around laughing and all of the other franchises that didn't

565
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Speaker 1: do what the Colts did in offering Daniel Jones a

566
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Speaker 1: one year reclamation project contract that is paying off for them.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case, but I think more likely Daniel

568
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: Jones is a really solid player that helps you grow

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Speaker 1: young players like Tyler Warren and like Ady Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: like Alec Pierce, who let's say you give him a

571
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Speaker 1: second contract, what he may be. Look at the quarterbacks

572
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Speaker 1: that we talked about in the franchise group, Josh Allen,

573
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, those names. Josh Allen

574
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Speaker 1: didn't get handed the keys right away. Yeah, he ended

575
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Speaker 1: up starting as a rookie, but he was kind of

576
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Speaker 1: slowly brought along. Lamar Jackson, yes he started right away,

577
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Speaker 1: but he also was not a top ten pick. He

578
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Speaker 1: was going into a franchise and drafted by a team

579
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Speaker 1: that already had a pretty good foundation and nucleus around him.

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Speaker 1: The guys that get drafted number one overall oftentimes are

581
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Speaker 1: getting drafted number one overall into franchises that are a

582
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Speaker 1: complete dumpster fire, and that's why they're taking number one overall.

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00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville. I mean he went into the

584
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: worst situation ever Baker Mayfield while in Cleveland, just disarray

585
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Speaker 1: all around him. And you look at some of the

586
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Speaker 1: pieces that we put down as we don't know Bryce Young,

587
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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. Are they good, I don't know? Or are

588
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: they just in bad situations. What Daniel Jones may represent

589
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: in the long run for the Colts is bringing them

590
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Speaker 1: back to stability, bringing them back to adulthood, developing some

591
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Speaker 1: of the young offensive pieces, and allowing Chris Ballard or

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Speaker 1: whoever is making that decision a year from now to

593
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: patiently look through quarterbacks in round two or three and

594
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Speaker 1: drafting themselves a guy that they believe they can grow

595
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Speaker 1: by having that player watch for a while. Like it

596
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: Josh Allen did. I know. Allen's a unique case because

597
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: he was a top ten pick, but a player Jordan Love.

598
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Love's a solid quarterback. Jordan Loved. They did not

599
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: they let him grow organically. And I think sometimes there is, Yes,

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Speaker 1: there are some players whose talent are so transcendent and

601
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: so obvious that you want to just throw them to

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00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: the wolves, but you don't have any foundation around them

603
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: from the get go, and they sink immediately and even

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Speaker 1: the most talented and I think Trevor Lawrence is as

605
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: talented coming out of college as anybody I've seen, but

606
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: he had nothing around him. Total disarray, no weapons, is

607
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: a disaster. The same for Baker Mayfield when he was

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland, just disarray all around him and all of

609
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Speaker 1: a sudden, Bryce Young. Who does Bryce Young have around him?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't help. He's not huge, but not

611
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Speaker 1: who does he have around him? So what Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: allows you to do, at the very least, if you

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Speaker 1: don't think that he's a guy that you're going to

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Speaker 1: have as a starter for the next three to five years,

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Speaker 1: at the very least, he gives you foundation of stability

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Speaker 1: and maturity to groom pieces and have a situation and

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Speaker 1: a system in place where you can draft a guy,

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Speaker 1: let him watch for a year or two and then

619
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Speaker 1: slowly transition over where everyone knows what the game plan is.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to young franchise quarterbacks getting their

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Speaker 1: footing in this town, they we've never seen one with

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Speaker 1: that situation because they were walking into situations as the

623
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Speaker 1: number one pick where in the case of Jeff George,

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00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: you traded your best lineman and your best receiver to

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Speaker 1: get him, and you changed offensive coordinators every year. And then,

626
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: in the case of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, such

627
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: football savants that it didn't matter how bad the system

628
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: was around them, you could build pieces based specifically on

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Speaker 1: that quarterback because they automatically elevated people. And I think

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Speaker 1: at the very least that's what Daniel Jones is. I

631
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Speaker 1: don't know which of these five tiers we put him

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Speaker 1: in at this point just yet, and it's probably never

633
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: going to be hired than tier three. But that's not

634
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: to say that even with that, he can't benefit the Colts.

635
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: I have a question for Eddie where I need to

636
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: know whether or not I was right or wrong about something.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that next and Stephen Holder joins us

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Speaker 1: in fifteen Tyler give us a call. At two nine,

639
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: ten seventy, Tyler got in the car for fifteen minutes

640
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: to get lunch, and Querry is still going on to

641
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: the point that he started before I got in the car.

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00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: This guy loves to hear himself tell a story. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm Tyler. I'm all game for somebody else coming on

644
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Speaker 1: and telling a story with me. So give us a

645
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: call at two, three, nine, ten seventy Eddie. Eddie chimes in,

646
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I bring Eddie into the mix. Oh, we got to

647
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: call this seven. Tyler. Hey, it's Tyler. Tyler can actually

648
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: answer the question that I was going to ask here.

649
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to know the the listener opinion of this, Okay,

650
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: I promise this. I promise that at least I like

651
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: to think. Yeah, I'm just a dude that grew up

652
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: in Indie, right, I grew up on the North side

653
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: of Indy. I love the history of Indie. I love

654
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: the sports of Indie. I love the culture of Indie.

655
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I love the people of Indie, all of it, right,

656
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: And I love going out and just meeting people all

657
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: the time. So Saturday night, I'm at dinner. So Shannon

658
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: and I go to dinner. And here's a weird thing

659
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: about I don't know why this is, but it's one

660
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: of the things that we most enjoy when we go

661
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: to dinner. We always go and sit at the bar. So,

662
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: like in a restaurant, if you go to a restaurant,

663
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: there's a bar in we sit at the bar itself

664
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: and eat and watch games whatever. And that's what we

665
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: did Saturday night. So we're sitting there and this guy

666
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: next to me as I'm just I'm sitting there eating

667
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: and you know, Shan and I are talking about the

668
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: IU game or the Predue game or whatever, and the

669
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: guy to my left says, hey, Jake, you think the

670
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: Cults are going to be good? And I look over

671
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, hey, man, how you doing? And

672
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: I said, I actually do. I said on the air

673
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: that I think they'll be ten and seven and I think,

674
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how good Miami is, but

675
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: I think they'll win tomorrow, meaning Sunday against Denver. And

676
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I think they'll be decent, and he

677
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: goes okay, and he says and then he asked me

678
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: a follow up question, well, what about who do you

679
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: like this week in terms of over unders? And I'm like, well,

680
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, so I answer that,

681
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: and he asked me a third question and then he says,

682
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: but let me stop you right here, and I go okay,

683
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: and he said, I've never once listened to on the radio.

684
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: I've never listened to your show. I don't pay any

685
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: attention to it. And I said, okay, that's cool. And

686
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: I said, well, then if you don't mind me asking, like,

687
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: because sometimes when people will say something to me, I

688
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: wonder because I grew up here, and my immediate default

689
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: is this is someone I grew up with with the

690
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: high school with, played little league with whatever. Right, And

691
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, And I said, I'm so, I

692
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: don't mean to be rude. So we have met before? No, no, no,

693
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: I've never met you. And I said, okay, so I

694
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: always I'm just curious, how did you recognize me? Well,

695
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: you've just been around forever, but I've never listened to

696
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: your radio show. I've never once turned it on. I go, okay,

697
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: So then I answer a couple more questions. We go

698
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: back to eating whatever, and then he says, by the way,

699
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: let me and he reaches he's by himself. He reaches in.

700
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: Now he's handing me his business cards for his real

701
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: estate business and his golf company that he has, and

702
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: wants to know if I wouldn't have any interest in

703
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: maybe passing those out or letting people know about him.

704
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: Now, No, God, no, God, please no.

705
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 4: No.

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00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I totally appreciate it, and I love

707
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: talking to people when I'm out in That sounds the

708
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: wrong way. I I mean, I enjoy talking sports with people.

709
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: It's what I do for a living. I enjoy the

710
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: platform that this job allows us. And it's an open conversation.

711
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: It's not I mean, yes, when people are like you

712
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: talk too much on the radio. Yeah, I know, I'm

713
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: the only one here. I mean, Eddie, obviously the two

714
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: of us were the only ones here, and you're the

715
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: only one here, so well, but you know what I mean,

716
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and so but but tell

717
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, Eddie. While I appreciated and

718
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking to him, I thought it was odd that

719
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: you would begin the conversation under the baseline of saying

720
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: that you intentionally avoid the product it is that I sell,

721
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: and then later ask me to help get the word

722
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: out about the product you sell. Am I wrong? Now,

723
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: You're not wrong. I'd like people to tell me if

724
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: And I didn't say anything, and I did not say

725
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: a word about it, but I just was kind of

726
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: like that just seems like that. I thought it was rude,

727
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: very rude. Yeah, Liz called in real quick. I know

728
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: we got to get the holder, But Liz, how are you?

729
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 6: I'm fine?

730
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: You have you called the show before.

731
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 6: Liz, No, I haven't. I've listened time. What's at I

732
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: have listened for a long time, Eddie?

733
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Speaker 1: If you could, please, Eddie, do you have the breaking

734
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: news sounder? By chance? Bear with us just a second, Liz,

735
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: twenty seven female callers now twenty eight twenty seven? Is

736
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: that twenty eight twenty eight female listeners? Okay, Liz, I

737
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: appreciate your calling in and listening to the program. What's

738
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: on your mind today?

739
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 6: Is your oldest female caller?

740
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: What's that?

741
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 6: I could probably be your oldest, Liz.

742
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I got news for you. We have other people that

743
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: are thirty nine years old.

744
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 6: Well, I'm eighty eight, are you really? Yeah?

745
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: When's your birthday? Liz?

746
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 6: February sixteenth?

747
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: February sixteenth, Okay, so if you and if you're eighty

748
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: eight years old, I'm guessing that puts you somewhere around

749
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: high school class of nineteen fifty four? Is that right exactly?

750
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: And what high school did you attend? Liz?

751
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 6: Back in New Jersey?

752
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know fifty four was the year of

753
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: the Milin miracle here that Hoosiers was based on. And

754
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: what other than I seventy what brought you to Indiana?

755
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: From New Jersey.

756
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 7: Well, it was, and there was a short stop unfortunately

757
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 7: in Ohio for a while.

758
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 6: But it's called marriage, Okay.

759
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: I was okay, fair enough, all right, Liz, How can

760
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: we help you in terms of I believe you had

761
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: a comment about Carli Ersa Gordon.

762
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 7: That woman has been on the sideline for years. What's

763
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 7: with these idiot men screaming and yelling about her being

764
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 7: a macro micromanaging and.

765
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 6: All that stuff. Have they not noticed her down there before?

766
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: Well?

767
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 6: I had season tickets for thirty years.

768
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: No, Liz, here's the difference, though, And I'm You're not wrong,

769
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: and I don't have a problem with her doing it,

770
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: So don't please don't think that this means that I'm

771
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: saying she's doing it. But the difference is she now

772
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: for the first time, is the one that has total

773
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: authority and is the final say, whereas before she was not.

774
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 6: We don't know that, do we? Well, question Jake, just

775
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 6: a question?

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00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: No, no, no, yes, I do believe regardless, I guess it's

777
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: the same way as this in any line you know,

778
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: in any line of work. I mean, I don't want

779
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: to like make this sound like a political thing in

780
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: any company, government, whatever it may be. You have the

781
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: top right by definition, the sole independent owner of a business,

782
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: and then you have the the auxiliary owners or you know,

783
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: your board of governors, that kind of thing. And so

784
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: long as Jim Ursay was both alive and visible, he

785
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: was the owner of the Indianapolis Colts. He was the

786
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: owner and CEO of the Indianapolts Colts. And so therefore,

787
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: while everyone was aware of his daughters and their learning

788
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: of the family business and their involvement with the family business,

789
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: the at least perception was the fact that so long

790
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: as Jimmersay, who was a very visible owner, he was

791
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: the one that was speaking up in owners meetings. He

792
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: was the one that was facilitating the ouster of Daniel Snyder.

793
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: He was the one that was, you know, doing things.

794
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: He was the face of the Indianapolis Colts. And so therefore,

795
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: because now he is no longer there rest his soul,

796
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: that then shifts that face of the franchise to his daughter.

797
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: And so that changes the perceptions of in the microscope,

798
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: especially externally on the way in which she's on the sideline.

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00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have a problem with it. I'm

800
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: just saying that is the reason for the difference in

801
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: the way that it is ingested.

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00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 6: Okay, so what happens to the next What do you think?

803
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 7: Just tell me your thoughts on what do you think

804
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 7: it's going to be like at the next owner's meeting

805
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 7: with all those other clowns and in the girls.

806
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be any different than the last one,

807
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: because in terms of the owner's meetings, this would be

808
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: the second one that she has represented, at least at minimum,

809
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: the second that she's represented, and she's not the first.

810
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the call, Liz, we're up against it.

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Speaker 1: She's not the first female owner though, because you know,

812
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I was in Saint Louis when Georgia Frontier owned the

813
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: Rams and they won the Super Bowl, and she was

814
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: a beloved figure, but partially because you know, she had

815
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: been in Los Angeles and everything else. But so it's

816
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: not unprecedented in terms of female ownership. Noel, you used

817
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: to have a female owner as well. Yeah, that's right. So,

818
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: but her a I think her age probably intimidates other

819
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: owners more so than her gender. Truth be told, just

820
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: because she's young, and you always have when it's a

821
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: family dynamic, you get that element of it, but I

822
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Is Stephen hold Her. Next, thank you

823
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: to Liz by the way for calling in the program,

824
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: and in February, I look forward to celebrating Liz's birthday

825
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: forty ninth birthday. Stephen holder Is with ESPN dot com

826
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: joins us now on the program on the always busy

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Speaker 1: and shockingly unsponsored guest line Steven, I'll begin with this

828
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: the you know, Monday is always kind of the day

829
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: when the dust settles on a game and you kind

830
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: of get a chance to look back and get just

831
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: a better understanding of how things fell, so to speak,

832
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: and what went right, what went wrong, et cetera. Do

833
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: you believe that Shane Steichen, other than giving more clarity

834
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: and kind of admitting to overthinking that final drive offensively,

835
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: what areas do you think the Colts look back on

836
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: and said, you know, even though we won, here are

837
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the areas that are of concern.

838
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 8: Well, for me, it's it's a red zone. I think

839
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 8: that late game situation could have been avoided. Have they

840
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 8: converted when they had an opportunity? I mean, well, excuse me,

841
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 8: three opportunities I believe down in the red zone, at

842
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 8: least once inside the ten and I think maybe twice.

843
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 8: I don't remember the exact field position, but I mean

844
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 8: they were in scoring position all day long. I mean

845
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 8: that's what they do now, right, I mean they move

846
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 8: the ball, they get down for in position, and they

847
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 8: get points. But you got to get touchdowns when your

848
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 8: defense is given up points on the other side. So

849
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 8: that would be my nitpick outside of the late game situation,

850
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 8: which is more than a nitpick, that is a full

851
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 8: blown what the hell are you doing? But outside of that,

852
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 8: my nitpick would be the red zone and those That's

853
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 8: how games work a lot of times, right, These situations

854
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 8: unfold early in the game and you don't always know

855
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 8: whether they're going to factor into the results. I would

856
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 8: say they did because, frankly, as I said it, had

857
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 8: the Colts converted on a couple of those or even

858
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 8: one more, it would have been maybe a different situation

859
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 8: in that game.

860
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: Even were you here when I think it was the

861
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: first trip abroad, and I'm pretty sure you were here

862
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: covering the Colts when the Colts played in London against

863
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: Jacksonville number of the years ago.

864
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 8: Yep, okay, with that game, that's right, Yeah.

865
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: I believe that game was the low point and final

866
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: point in the illustrious Colts career of Antonio Cromarti am,

867
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: I correct in saying that.

868
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 8: I know where you're going with this. And I had

869
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 8: this conversation the other day, so flets continue.

870
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: That was though that that game? Correct? It was?

871
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 8: It was it was something.

872
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, was that the the last time

873
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: that we saw a cornerback who had been kind of,

874
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, brought in from craigslist that struggled the way

875
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: we saw Xavion Howard struggle.

876
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 8: I would say, that's exactly what came to mind as

877
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 8: I was watching that sequence play out. I said to

878
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 8: my that pol I said, I'm getting Antonio Carimarti vibes

879
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 8: right now.

880
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: I said that.

881
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 8: And and what's what's interesting is that Darius Butler was

882
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 8: doing the Colts game on Sunday for I believe ESPN

883
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 8: Radio and happened to be there and I said, I said, wait,

884
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 8: do you remember that game? And he was like, yeah,

885
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 8: I was the guy who was hurt. I was like,

886
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 8: wait a minute, that's amazing. So so if I remember correctly,

887
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 8: Bonte Davis, now you rest in peace, was injured. And

888
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 8: then Darius was one of the backups. Darius came in

889
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 8: and then he heard his hamstring and missed that game

890
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 8: as well. So they had they had signed an Antonio

891
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 8: Carmarti off the street, I don't know, a week or

892
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 8: two earlier, and it turned out they needed him that game,

893
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 8: so he had. I think, uh, the worst single series

894
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 8: I've ever seen a cornerback have. And this was close.

895
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 8: Now we'll see. I mean, I think the interesting thing

896
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 8: about Xavier and Howard is that I didn't I wouldn't

897
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 8: say that I had in the issue with his play

898
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 8: in week one. What he did was was perfectly fine.

899
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 8: But he also wasn't tested in week one, which honestly

900
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 8: it raises questions about the Dolphins. Why didn't you test him?

901
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 8: Would be my question. But as Luana Rumo just finished

902
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 8: telling us and in his weekly interview, he said, look,

903
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 8: you know when when Sarvarius Ward is out and you

904
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 8: know you have to he has to play more snaps

905
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 8: talking about Howard when he had he had to be

906
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 8: pressed into a bigger role, they thought he would get

907
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 8: tested and they were right, and so you know they

908
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 8: think that he will play his way into better shape

909
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 8: and get his legs back, and that this may be

910
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 8: an ongoing process, but he's going to have to play

911
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 8: some even if you bring other guys into the folds

912
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 8: here in the coming weeks.

913
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: You know, Steven Steven Holder as our guest, when when

914
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: lou Anarumo was talking about, you know, just defensively and

915
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: what they have done through two games, and let's get

916
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: to that before we get over to the offensive side

917
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: of things. You know, clearly people enjoy or they have

918
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: found success in kind of the more aggressive defense than

919
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: what we saw from a year ago. They they do

920
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: do a little bit more masking. However, it's hard to

921
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: say because he has not been given his full slate

922
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: just due to the injuries in the defensive backfield, how

923
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: will this defense continue to evolve? And do you think

924
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: that there are even some schemes that Anarroumo has not

925
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: gotten into because of the fact that he has not

926
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: had his full arsenal.

927
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 8: Well, I think you got to go back to week one.

928
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 8: So I thought in week one you saw him do

929
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 8: some more creative things. I did not see as much

930
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 8: of that in week two and tracks right because of

931
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 8: what you just said, Uh, they had to maybe be

932
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 8: a little more a little more playing, Jane, if you

933
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 8: will because you know, they didn't have their full compliment

934
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 8: of personnel and Lot two is the big one there

935
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 8: as well, not just Ward. It's also a lot to

936
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 8: to have that consistent uh pass rush up front, and

937
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 8: you know, you notice that the pass rush on Sunday

938
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 8: was was not nearly consistent enough. Granted, both Mix is

939
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 8: throwing the ball quickly most of the time, you know,

940
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 8: but so did you know so is too attack of

941
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 8: b lois trying to do that as well, and they

942
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 8: got a lot of pressure in week one. So I

943
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 8: just think that the personnel as a factor, and when

944
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 8: you get everybody back, I presume you might be able

945
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 8: to try some more tactics that that will maybe, you know,

946
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 8: surprise the quarterback. This will be an interesting game coming up.

947
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 8: You know, you got a rookie quarterback and cam Ward, Uh,

948
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 8: they're not taking him lightly, but as Andre Rumo said, look,

949
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 8: we're going to try to show him some things he

950
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 8: hasn't seen so far, which is probably a lot right

951
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 8: for young quarterbacks. So I think this is a game

952
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 8: where maybe they do try some different things. We'll see.

953
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 8: I don't know the status on Ward just yet, but

954
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 8: he is tracking in the right direction from what Shan

955
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 8: Stykeen has said, So maybe that's promising and they.

956
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: Get him back. I talked about this yesterday, Steven. I

957
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: want your thoughts on it. Do you believe that Shane

958
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: Stiken is calling plays because he believes in the skill

959
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: set of Daniel Jones and therefore is exceeding what we

960
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: thought or what maybe he even thought in terms of

961
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: what Daniel Jones could do? Or is Shane Stiken calling

962
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: plays in a way that he believes that Daniel Jones

963
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: needs to has some limitation and therefore he is creative

964
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: calling it to circumvent those limitations and try to bring

965
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: things out of him. Does that make sense what I'm saying.

966
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 8: I know what you're saying. I think that it's I

967
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 8: think the answer is neither. I think it's a little

968
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 8: a blend. And what I mean by that is, I

969
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 8: think what you have is a is a good combination.

970
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 8: Here you have a coach who understands his quarterback and

971
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 8: you have a quarterback who understands what his coach is

972
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 8: trying to accomplish, and they're working hand in hand here.

973
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 8: I do think this is becoming a really good duo.

974
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 8: And I wasn't sure, you know, how much that would matter.

975
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 8: But I do think I understand something now a little

976
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 8: better than I did earlier. I think, and maybe this

977
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 8: is true for all of us. You know, back during

978
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 8: the quarterback battle, there were times when it was like, look,

979
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 8: it's not always obvious in at least in training camp.

980
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 8: It wasn't always obvious with Daniel Jones. But I think

981
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 8: the mental aspect that he talked about and the mastery

982
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 8: of the offense and situations, I think you're starting to

983
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 8: see that sort of play out and sort of, you know,

984
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 8: become a factor and be a reason for Daniel Jones success.

985
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 8: And what I mean by that is Saint Stikeen right

986
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 8: now is dialing things up where he's going to get

987
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 8: somebody open right off the bat. The first option is

988
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 8: open very often so far, and Daniel Jones loves to

989
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 8: go to his first option, his first read in the progression,

990
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 8: and it's been open, you know, And so that is

991
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 8: a credit to Saint Stikeen, you know, get it in

992
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 8: the route combinations together in such a way that the

993
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 8: first option is available to Daniel Jones. And then there's

994
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 8: Daniel jones decisiveness, which Saint Stykeen is certainly aware of

995
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 8: and that's how you sort of have this blend where

996
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 8: the coach is putting the quarterback in the positions to succeed,

997
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 8: and that quarterback is very good at what they're asking

998
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 8: him to do. So neither one works without the other,

999
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 8: and it is working right now because they're both doing

1000
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 8: what they're supposed to do. So I like this combination. Look,

1001
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 8: Shang Styken, I think you're starting to see the you know,

1002
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 8: the real high level acumen. I think of saying psyching

1003
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 8: at times right now. The late game management, that's a

1004
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 8: different topic, but in terms of the play calling, I

1005
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 8: think you're starting to see it.

1006
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, the play calling for Alec Pierce to me

1007
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: is interesting because they started using him more obviously and

1008
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: that you know, intermediate range or even not necessarily bubble screens,

1009
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: but like you know, just in those crossing patterns, are

1010
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: they setting up with Alec Pierce. We've know Alec Pierce

1011
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: is a deep ball threat. Are the Colts setting it

1012
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: up now, Steven where all of a sudden, Alec Pierce

1013
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: is going to become a dual threat receiver, where they're

1014
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: going to come in with plays where he does a

1015
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: slight hitch and then go route based off of getting

1016
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: used to seeing him coming across the middle.

1017
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 8: Well, one of the things that has been an issue

1018
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 8: with their offense in the past, and they, I think

1019
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 8: in the self scouting they realize this. Over the offseason.

1020
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 8: One of the things that I think has been too

1021
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 8: limiting is that everybody has been a little predictable in

1022
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 8: their roles. I'm talking about the wide receivers. Right, we

1023
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 8: know what Josh down is going to do or you know,

1024
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 8: generally speaking right, not saying every single time, but you

1025
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 8: can kind of predict the kinds of routes each guy's

1026
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 8: going to run. And for Alec Pears, it was all right,

1027
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 8: you're the guy who's going to clear it out with

1028
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 8: the deep routes most of the time, or at least intermediate,

1029
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 8: and they brought that to They sort of made that

1030
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 8: a priority this offseason to kind of figure out the

1031
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 8: way to address that. So this was a very conscious thing.

1032
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 8: I heard about it this past offseason, and I think

1033
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 8: you're starting to see it. You know, Pierce, getting him

1034
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 8: involved in the way that they have is not going

1035
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 8: to hurt him at all. It can only help, as

1036
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 8: you said, if you now have to worry about him,

1037
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 8: maybe breaking that route inside as opposed to taking it

1038
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 8: down the sideline. You're going to cover him different and

1039
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 8: maybe maybe it is an out and up right, and

1040
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 8: maybe he's not going to break that route off. So listen,

1041
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 8: you're making it tougher when you are less predictable for

1042
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 8: the defense, and I think it's all good. I would

1043
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 8: also say the Tyler Warren effect is just spectacular because

1044
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 8: I'm just putting a story together now, like, how are

1045
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 8: they doing this? What what's happening offensively? And one of

1046
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 8: the reasons is the diversity of their weapons, which is

1047
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 8: kind of what you're getting at here, and they with

1048
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 8: Tyler Warren, he's he's the best one in terms of

1049
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 8: the diversity because he hurts the defense at all three levels.

1050
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 8: So that's what you gotta do. You gotta, you know,

1051
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 8: you gotta be unpredictable and they have to not know

1052
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 8: what's coming. And that's true.

1053
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: Right now, Steven, We're going to do one of my

1054
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: Jake Querry hypotheticals here. Okay, I would like what's happened

1055
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: very unlike you, but go aheadable, Okay. So Roger Goodell

1056
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: calls you on the phone. He says, Steven, you've been

1057
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: a good guy for us. You've covered the league, you've

1058
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: you've worked, you've covered owners meetings. You know, you've been around.

1059
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: So we are going to award you an NFL franchise.

1060
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: So you get to pick Steven Holder a city in

1061
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: the United States that does not have We've done this before.

1062
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: I realized that has never had an NFL franchise and

1063
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: only has a maximum of two other pro sports franchises

1064
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: in town. You, Stephen Holder, decide that your franchise is

1065
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: going to be playing where what city?

1066
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 8: Hmm, this is tricky. Uh, let's see a maximum of

1067
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 8: two other pro franchises. You said, Okay, well that makes

1068
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 8: it tough. I'm thinking, I don't know. I was going

1069
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 8: to say Orlando, but Florida sucks in terms of sports markets,

1070
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Speaker 8: so we're not doing that. No, I'm Austin. Was going

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Speaker 8: to say Austin. I was at thinking Austin. Okay, I

1072
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Speaker 8: was thinking that, but but I was only I was

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Speaker 8: thinking though, so I mean that that gives them one

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Speaker 8: that would that be their third football team?

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Speaker 1: I guess in the statement out of the city, We're okay,

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Speaker 1: it's big enough. Austin Toros are going to be the

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder own team. Now here's the thing. Okay, now

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Speaker 1: you the the league is going to assign for you

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Speaker 1: a general manager, a team president, and a head coach,

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01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: so a holy trinity of three decision makers. And you,

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Speaker 1: because you were awarded the franchise, you have nothing to

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01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: do with this. They're going to build the roster, they're

1083
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: going to do everything. You have no saying that whatsoever.

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01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: But they do an expansion draft. Well, okay, so they

1085
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: have to expandion draft all the scrubs. Here's the deal.

1086
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: So they do the expansion draft. Okay. In the expansion draft,

1087
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: the guys that have been selected in this fictional team

1088
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: get to pick one offensive player off every roster in

1089
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Who do you believe if all had to

1090
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: be left unprotected, who do you believe is the offensive

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Speaker 1: player of the Indianapolis Colts that would be the first selected. Wow,

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Speaker 1: there's a reason I asked this.

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Speaker 8: This is tough. I so this is maybe not the

1094
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 8: trendy answer because of the position.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sorry. Specialty players, specialty players, not not lineman. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: specialty players.

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Speaker 8: No, No, I know, yeah, but I still think Johnson

1098
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 8: Taylor is where this offense begins and ends.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see, I will the reason I say it, I

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Speaker 1: will respectfully disagree. I think it's Tyler Warren, and I

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Speaker 1: think the reason it's Tyler Warren is because my choice.

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Speaker 1: I think Tyler Warren. And I know we're only two

1103
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: games in, but you tell me if I'm wrong. I

1104
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: think Tyler Warren has the more versatile skill set that

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01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: is the least replicated amongst his peers in a smaller

1106
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Speaker 1: group of people.

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Speaker 8: Now that's actually I do agree with that. I was

1108
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 8: just putting something together here. He leads the NFL. I'm sorry,

1109
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 8: he leads all tight ends in receiving yards one hundred

1110
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 8: and fifty five receiving yards. And I think his the

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Speaker 8: versatility that I was just talking about. I mean, you

1112
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 8: think about it. I mean, you can put this guy

1113
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 8: in the backfield, you can the screens that they can

1114
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 8: run with him. You can throw him deep route, I know,

1115
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 8: which they just did. I think I'm just telling you

1116
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 8: he is. He is more than I expected him to be.

1117
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 8: I mean, and I expected a hell of a lot.

1118
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: Listen, when you have Bernard Rayman and Quentin Nelson, who

1119
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: are very good players, right, when you have guys like that,

1120
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: then you have them there because that reduces the chances

1121
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: of the pocket collapsing. Tyler Warren reduces the chances of

1122
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: the pocket collapsing only because so long as he's f

1123
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: voting around within eight to ten yards of the line

1124
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, you can just get the ball out there

1125
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: before the pocket collapses, and he is going to make

1126
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: a play on it.

1127
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Speaker 8: Right Yeah, I mean he's their toughest matchup right now.

1128
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Speaker 8: They don't defenses don't really have a great plan when

1129
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Speaker 8: it comes to dealing with him. I mean he went

1130
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 8: up against Patrick Surtan the other day and made a

1131
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 8: tight catch against tych coverage from Patrick Surtzan, the defensive

1132
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 8: player of the year. But great throw by the way

1133
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 8: by Daniel Jones, who I don't know. I don't know

1134
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 8: what has happened to this guy, by the way, doctor

1135
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 8: gouff subject, But like he's throwing the ball into windows

1136
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 8: where I would never expect Daniel Jones to throw.

1137
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's happened to him, Steven, I'll tell

1138
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: you what's happened to him. Okay, you're gonna laugh when

1139
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: I say this. I've thought about this. Here's what's happened

1140
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: to him. The New York Jets. Okay, the New York Jets.

1141
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: Who's the best quarterback in New York Jets history of

1142
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: the last fifty years? Oh Namu Okay since Joe Namath.

1143
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: How many you know, Richard Todd? Like, how many quarterbacks

1144
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get drafted by the Jets to die? Right? That

1145
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: we know it is the New York Giants, the New

1146
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: York Football Giants. Eli Manning, Eli Manning, who grew up

1147
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: around and understood football pressure from the time he came

1148
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: out of the womb. He saw his dad run for

1149
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: his life, he saw his brother playing, et cetera. Eli

1150
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: Manning was groomed to be an NFL quarterback. Outside of that,

1151
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: Phil Simms was a hell of a player, no question

1152
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: about it, right, But Phil Simms also had a coach

1153
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: that was the type that took all the pressure and

1154
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: deflected it off his team. Parcels was in that Night

1155
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: Mold right of like it stops with me. I'm the

1156
01:06:54,120 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: guy that that market. You can't add it with judge

1157
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: what a quarterback is able to do in his initial

1158
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: years in the NFL if he is getting his start

1159
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: with the Giants or the Jets. Because outside of maybe

1160
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: three examples, I gave, and those were all unique situations

1161
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: that you can't adequately judge it. I'm not saying that

1162
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: this means that Daniel Jones is going to come here

1163
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: and suddenly become Joe Montana, but I just think that

1164
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: we are starting to see that it was an unfair

1165
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 1: judgment on who he was based on the dumpster fire

1166
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Speaker 1: that he was playing for and all that comes with it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I would say on that along those lines,

1168
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 8: I think I see a more confident player right now,

1169
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 8: totally right. I mean you can see it. Like even

1170
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Speaker 8: from week one to two, I saw even more. I mean,

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 8: he was better in week two than week one. And

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Speaker 8: you talked about dumpster fires. He was playing a dumpster

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Speaker 8: fire of a team in week one in Miami and

1174
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 8: playing a real NFL defense in week two, and he

1175
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 8: was better. All right, there's there's a guy. This is

1176
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 8: a guy who was playing with confidence. That's why he's

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Speaker 8: standing in there, tall in that pocket and not powering

1178
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 8: from that pass rush. He was really affected by the

1179
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 8: pass rush in New York and he was pressured on

1180
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 8: Sunday week one. He really didn't get any pressure this

1181
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 8: week because which is why I was. I was I

1182
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 8: was sort of skeptical. I'm like, all right, well, yeah,

1183
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 8: anybody can do that when you never get touched. But

1184
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 8: this week there was some pressure. I mean, they protected

1185
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 8: him pretty well, but they came after him, and there

1186
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 8: was pressure. He was blitzed, by the way, he was

1187
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 8: blissed at the highest rate in a single game in

1188
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 8: his career. Okay, do you hear me in his career,

1189
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Speaker 8: and he had a fantastic game. For a guy who

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Speaker 8: never reacted well to pressure, this is a confident player

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 8: right now. He is completely unbothered and there is something

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 8: has changed within his psyche. I don't want to get

1193
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 8: all psycho analytical here, but I'm telling you that's what

1194
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 8: it feels like. I don't I can't see his reada's mind,

1195
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 8: but it feels like something has changed mentally for Daniel Joe.

1196
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 8: He's just playing with a different.

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Speaker 1: Era of competence, which leads to this in conclusion, Stephen,

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 1: as Daniel Jones continues to grow, and it's two games.

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Speaker 1: I have to keep you in mind of it. It's

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Speaker 1: two games, right for sure? And do I believe that

1201
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is now all of a sudden This means

1202
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: he's going to be a twelve year player for the

1203
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, and I don't know that, but if in

1204
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: fact he has a firm grip on the competency and

1205
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: the continued growth at the quarterback position, and assuming he

1206
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: stays healthy in a league right now where we already

1207
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: see Joe Burrows out right, JJ McCarthy questionable, Jaden Daniels,

1208
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, get to miss a little bit of time,

1209
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: Caleb boy or Justin Field's get to miss a little

1210
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: bit of time. And it's only going to increase as

1211
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks continue to not be available in the National Football

1212
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: League week to week, and I know that they've said

1213
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: they're not going to do it. Does this increase any

1214
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: trade value for Anthony Richardson for teams midway through the year,

1215
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: especially if it's very clear that, barring injury, he doesn't

1216
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: get snaps in Indy, it does.

1217
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 8: The only caveat I would I would mention is this,

1218
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 8: I think with those situations, for one thing, Yeah, it's

1219
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 8: week two and we're already talking about rampant quarterback injury.

1220
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 8: So every quarterback with with you know who's intriguing their

1221
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 8: values going up I think by the day, so he

1222
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 8: would be among them. The only issue with Anthony is this,

1223
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 8: I think he's more of a longer term project. You know,

1224
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 8: he's not a guy you're coming into, coming in on

1225
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 8: the white horse to save the day. I think that's

1226
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 8: the veteran quarterback who the Joe Flacco of two thousand

1227
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 8: and you know, twenty three for example, right with Cleveland.

1228
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 8: You're looking for that kind of guy. Oftentimes, if you

1229
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 8: need a guy for three or four weeks and not

1230
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 8: Anthony Richardson, who you're going to have to get up

1231
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,919
Speaker 8: to speed and he's gonna have to learn your offense,

1232
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 8: maybe that's not the best situation for him. So I

1233
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 8: think that underminds his trade value a little bit in

1234
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 8: that scenario, if that makes sense. But generally speaking, yes,

1235
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 8: all these quarterbacks who are out there their values going up.

1236
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 8: And I would say this to close, there might be

1237
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 8: a scenario where you just say to yourself, you know what, Look,

1238
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 8: we don't need him to run the full playbook. Let's

1239
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 8: bring him in. Let's just figure something out, and he's

1240
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 8: a good enough athlete that we can make it work

1241
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 8: for a few weeks. I don't know. There might be

1242
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 8: somebody out there who says, who's crazy enough to say

1243
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 8: that and try it, and i'd let's see it. I'm

1244
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,480
Speaker 8: here for it if it happens.

1245
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 1: Stephnholmer, ESPN dot com. Your upcoming story will involve what Steven.

1246
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 8: Well, two things. Check out today's piece on the toush

1247
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 8: push and there's all sorts of issues surrounding and why

1248
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 8: no one else can figure out how to run the

1249
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 8: damn thing. And then we're also running through a ticking

1250
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 8: down all the reasons this closet offense is playing at

1251
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 8: a historic level right now, which I never thought I'd

1252
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 8: be saying in twenty twenty five.

1253
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: It is pretty crazy. A number of ways in which

1254
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: they are doing it, Tyler Warren doing things at the

1255
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: tight end position they have not seen in some time,

1256
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: their offensive efficiency, their points, all of it right now,

1257
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: exactly where Shane Steiken could have only hoped. Stevenholder, ESPN

1258
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: dot Com joining us, Steven appreciated as always, Man go Austin, Toros,

1259
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's go, all right, Steven Holder. On the

1260
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: program we come back. We talked about some of those

1261
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: injuries and which ones, what NFL injuries are those that

1262
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: are the hardest to overcome, and where may Tyrese Haliburton

1263
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: be in his rehabilitation. A guy that knows that that

1264
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: has organized the medical aspect of thirty five different events

1265
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:04,440
Speaker 1: in this including World Basketball Championships, talking about swimming championships,

1266
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 1: USA Track and Field final fours, et cetera. Ralph Frief

1267
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: joins us next. Probably should have mentioned it off the top.

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Speaker 1: But and I was stunned to hear the age of

1269
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: the individual, not because I'm not saying that in regards to,

1270
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, being old, but like I just to me,

1271
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: like frozen in time at the age of sixty five.

1272
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: I guess I was surprised to hear that he was

1273
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: eighty nine years old. But Robert Redford passing away legendary,

1274
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: legendary actor. I you know, he's one of those that

1275
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: I guess a true testament to his career would be

1276
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: that there are just an you know, a number of

1277
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: different films or roles of which you could say you

1278
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: immediately recognized him. I mean, all the President's men would

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Speaker 1: be one of them, you know. He he was a

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Speaker 1: Golden Globe winner. He was I believe an Oscar winner

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Speaker 1: as well. Alfred Hitchcock Presents is where he got his start.

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Speaker 1: I think of him actually from Barefoot in the Park

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Speaker 1: out as that may be, you know, a ton of

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Speaker 1: different roles that he had done. But Robert Redford passing

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Speaker 1: away that news coming out today at the age of

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Speaker 1: eighty nine, joining us now on the program. We have

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Speaker 1: talked to him before. He is, without question the gold

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Speaker 1: standard when it comes to athletic training, the knowledge thereof

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Speaker 1: in all forms of athletics. As I mentioned, he has

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Speaker 1: overseen the athletic training or the medical staffs in planning

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Speaker 1: for thirty five, if not more, different major sporting events

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Speaker 1: that have come through Indianapolis. Ralph Frief joining us from

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Speaker 1: REEF Executive Performance Solutions, and I wanted to talk to you,

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Speaker 1: Ralph about a number of different injuries, just because this

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: is the time of year where you start hearing him

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Speaker 1: and sometimes you start hearing about injuries that people are

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Speaker 1: not as familiar with. I'm going to get to Tyre's

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Speaker 1: Halliburton as well, but I want to begin with this one.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is now going to be out a month

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Speaker 1: with turf toe. And I remember Marshall Falk had turf

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Speaker 1: toe at some point when he was here, and I

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Speaker 1: always just assumed turf toe is like when you get

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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night to get a

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Speaker 1: glass of water and you stub your toe and the

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01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: foot rest that you didn't realize was there. But what

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: exactly is turf toe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's great to be with you, Jake, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: that middle of the night stubbing the toe is where

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Speaker 3: you're basically jamming bone surface against bone surface. So it's

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Speaker 3: sort of a straight line impact turf toe. You get

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Speaker 3: into multiple angles. So in this particular case, quarterback Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrows was sort of crunched to the ground, his foot

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Speaker 3: and ankle got squeezed up and he got a hyper

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Speaker 3: extension of his big toe. So if you imagine going

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01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 3: down and grabbing your big toe and just pulling it

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Speaker 3: up as far as you possibly can. And so he

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01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 3: had a significant injury to the plate or the bottom

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Speaker 3: of that big toe and it's quite debilitating and a

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Speaker 3: lot of soft tissue injury. He ended up going up

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Speaker 3: to Wisconsin to see doctor Robert Anderson, a very very

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Speaker 3: good foot and ankle specialist for that particular surgery.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that surgery would it just be I'm going

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Speaker 1: to sound like an idiot here, Ralph. Now, first off,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you the thought of bending my big

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Speaker 1: toe backwards as far as it can go. I winced

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Speaker 1: along with everybody else when I heard that. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, speaking of WinCE, he's also going to get

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Speaker 1: playing time another injury. JJ McCarthy of Minnesota. But is

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Speaker 1: it a matter of basically just putting the toe back

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Speaker 1: in place and then holding it there so everything around

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Speaker 1: it can heal because the toe is an area that

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Speaker 1: obviously is under constant movement.

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Speaker 3: Well, for that all great questions, Jake, And the issue

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Speaker 3: would be that upon further diagnosis, clear diagnos of the structure,

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Speaker 3: with all the various imaging opportunities that are available, plus

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Speaker 3: the just the intuitive expertise of the physician, there's a

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Speaker 3: number of small pieces to that big toe that are

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Speaker 3: absolutely critical to function. So if it was if the

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Speaker 3: matter of maybe the tendon that if you were to

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Speaker 3: grab your you know, sort of push your toes into

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Speaker 3: the ground right now, all that force comes from tendons

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Speaker 3: along the bottom of the foot that go up the

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Speaker 3: back of the leg and so forth, and so he's

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Speaker 3: obviously damaged that to some degree. And so the other

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Speaker 3: element there are really two small bones think of them

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Speaker 3: as small BB's or pearls, called the cesmoid bones, and

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Speaker 3: those cessmoid bones are embedded within tendons, and they can

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Speaker 3: actually get cracked, can lose their formation or their place.

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Speaker 3: And those are so critical to the mechanics and function

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Speaker 3: of the toe that if those were damaged, those needed

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Speaker 3: to be placed back in their original location and embedded

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Speaker 3: there through a surgical procedure. And so the sesamoid bones.

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Speaker 3: Think of it a little bit like with IndyCar. It

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Speaker 3: would almost be like your front end. I think push

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Speaker 3: rods are the rocker arm that that absorbs force that's

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Speaker 3: going vertical and you want to go horizontal, and and

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Speaker 3: and the sesamoid bones sort of form that same function.

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Speaker 3: You don't know they're there until they're injured. And so

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Speaker 3: that's my bet is those sesamoid bones got displaced and

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Speaker 3: surgically needed to be put back into place. And probably

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Speaker 3: the flexor tendon that caused you to curl your toes

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Speaker 3: up probably need a little bit of repair as well.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Ralph, I like I could. I could

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Speaker 1: talk to you for six hours about this for two reasons.

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Speaker 1: Number one, I find it fascinating. Number Two, you have

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Speaker 1: a unique ability to speak it into a language that

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Speaker 1: somewhat of my lack of intellect can grasp right and

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Speaker 1: number three And I think this is probably the most

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Speaker 1: important thing in like medical training. You just have like

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Speaker 1: this calming delivery about it right where like it just

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Speaker 1: it's enjoyable to listen to. So I find it fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask an additional question I had not planned,

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01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: and that's this because I think it's important people that

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Speaker 1: are listening right now on a and we'll get back

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Speaker 1: into some of these NFL injuries were out free in

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01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 1: a second. But for people that are weakend warriors, people

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Speaker 1: that are let's say thirty five to fifty to fifty

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01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: five years old, that are going out to stay in

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: shape and they're running the mon on or they're maybe

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 1: going to the gym and lifting some light weights, what's

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Speaker 1: the most common injury that people feel a symptom for

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01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: and overlook that is actually something that they do need

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01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: to look into. And what's the most common one that

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01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: people freak out and think is theitating But really it's

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Speaker 1: fairly innocuous and not something of concern.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jake, that's a yeah, that's a six hour question.

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Speaker 3: But many years ago, when I was at Sensioned sint

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Speaker 3: Vincent Sports Performance. We saw a number of weekend Warriors

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Speaker 3: as well as the lead athletes, and we did some

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Speaker 3: reverse engineering and why were people coming in with various

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01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 3: primarily lower extremity injuries. My front of my knee hurts,

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,799
Speaker 3: pain under my knee cap, the bottom of my foot,

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Speaker 3: planet fasci itis, those kinds of things. And when we

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Speaker 3: did the reverse engineering on that, we found out that

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01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't so much running on the flat surface of

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Speaker 3: the monon. It was when a limb might fall down

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01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 3: north of the river and broad ripple and fall across

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01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 3: the monon and you had to jump over it. And

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Speaker 3: it was that motion that was unnatural, that jumping mechanism

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: put an additional strain on your body that's in this methodical,

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01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 3: locomotive kind of motion that caused that injury. And it's

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01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 3: that it's that that thing you feel, whether it's a

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01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: sharp pain or it's a dull ache, or it feels

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01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 3: a little bit fat and swollen, but you really can't

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01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 3: see it when you get home or the next day.

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Speaker 3: That's something you ought to have looked at because you

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: might be dealing with a tear of meniscus in the

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01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: knee that you just didn't think couldn't have happened. But

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01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 3: those are the kinds of things that that really create issues.

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 3: And we could go on and on there there's you pick,

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01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 3: you pick a joint or a soft tissue in the body,

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01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 3: and we could talk a long time about it.

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Speaker 1: Well the okay, so to get to the point of,

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01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden feeling like kind of

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: that that quick burn, that little pop where you just

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01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: think like whoa you know, in the case of Tyre's

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01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: Halliburton within a achilles, you know it's obvious and it's debilitating.

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01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: You could see that. Everybody saw that in that game.

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: We talked to you. Then in regards to Tyrese Haliburton's recovery,

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear, Ralph Reef, for your protection,

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01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: I guess you know you are not individually to my knowledge,

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01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: working with Tyrese Haliburton, but speaking in generate in generality

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01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: about a recovery from that sort of an injury. If

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01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,799
Speaker 1: that took place some now three months ago for Tyrese

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01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: Haliburton and he is now out of the boot, that

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Speaker 1: would appear to be on schedule, ahead of schedule. Is

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Speaker 1: there any way to kind of analyze from afar what that.

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Speaker 3: Means, Yeah, certainly, and yes, I have no affiliation with

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01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 3: Tyrese Haliburton's Recovery, Healthcare, etc. So I appreciate you you

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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 3: mentioning that the just to put that in perspective, what

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01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 3: you said. His surgery was actually three months ago today, Okay,

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Speaker 3: the sixteenth of June, and so what's that ninety two

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Speaker 3: days if I counted right. His surgery was the following

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: Monday at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 3: City on Monday the twenty third, So he's eighty two

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 3: days out from that repair of the achilles and we

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 3: don't know what else was done or the exact type

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01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 3: of procedures. There's you know, there's there's different ways of

1439
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 3: making spaghetti sauce, right, and so there's different ways of

1440
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: repairing the Achilles tendon as well. But he went to

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01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 3: the Hospital for Special Surgery for a reason. The person

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01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 3: there is really good and they've done a lot of

1443
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 3: high level athletes who have made return to sport, and

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01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: so he is on schedule. That's my opinion. I saw

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01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 3: some social Excuse me, I saw some social media stuff.

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01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 3: I've seen him at Fever games walking round. Excuse me,

1447
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: and he is on schedule, is my sense. And I

1448
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 3: did notice on social media that he's wearing a strap

1449
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: around his knee, and folks may have seen that too.

1450
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 3: That's a firefly strap that continuously puts this gentle pulse

1451
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 3: of electricity into the peranial nerve which is on the

1452
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: side of the leg, and it stimulates blood flow throughout

1453
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 3: the whole lower leg and into the Achilles tendon area.

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Speaker 8: So one of the big things.

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Speaker 3: That can reduce a good repair, to reduce the optimal outcome,

1456
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 3: is the amount of blood flow that you get into

1457
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: the areas sort of to bathe that surgical repair, you

1458
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 3: want to bait it in good, rich blood, and without

1459
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 3: activity you can't do that. So being in the boot

1460
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 3: is necessary. But to have this continuous stimulation through this

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01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 3: fire live scrap is a is an excellent way to

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01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 3: get that done. He can use that on an airplane,

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01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 3: riding in a car, sitting in a chair. He can

1464
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 3: use it all the time. So he's got this continual

1465
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 3: activity that is assisting his body with repair. By all indications,

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01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 3: he's on schedule.

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef is our guest again. Reef Executive Performance Solutions,

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01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: and of course Ralph reef dot com. That's R. E.

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01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: I F F Ralph reef dot com where you can

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01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: read more about his work, also his speaking and the

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Speaker 1: work that he's done in terms of training. Ralph. One

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Speaker 1: last one for you here we hear a lot about

1473
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: this with NFL quarterbacks right now, and that is concussion protocol.

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01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, we're all familiar with the fact that a

1475
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: player shows symptom of a concussion, they go into the protocol.

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01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: Is there any sort of a baseline when it comes

1477
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: to concussions of you know, is that the hardest one

1478
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: I guess to put a blankets on because does it

1479
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: seem to have the widest spectrum between the severe and

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: the not as severe, but all having to kind of

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Speaker 1: be treated the same. Because when you're talking about neurologically,

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01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: you have to be very careful, more so perhaps than

1483
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: other areas well.

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01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: Severity of a concussion should not come into the initial diagnosis.

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01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 3: A concussed brain a brain that moves from side to

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01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 3: side within the skull and it sort of washes back

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Speaker 3: and forth on a microscopic level. That's what creates the

1488
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 3: bruising or the concussion to the brain tissue when it

1489
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 3: hits the wall. Of the skull, and so to determine

1490
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 3: the severity is really not done at the time of

1491
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 3: the injury, whether someone's knocked out or whether they just

1492
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 3: walk off the field and all of a sudden they

1493
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 3: ask their teammate a really unus usual question, okay, or

1494
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 3: the spotter upstairs notices an imbalance in posture and so

1495
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 3: they read flag the person. The severity of concussion really

1496
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 3: comes down the road, and it really is how long

1497
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 3: does that concussed brain take to heal? How long does

1498
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 3: it take to recover to normal function. So severity, unfortunately

1499
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 3: is hard to manage. It's hard to say whether going

1500
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 3: to be out five days, ten days, you know, any

1501
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 3: multiple of that. And so the baseline is done. There's

1502
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 3: a number of different ways that NFL teams, collegiate teams,

1503
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:45,440
Speaker 3: high school teams, all sports around the world baseline brain activity.

1504
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 3: And there's an impact testing which was intended in the

1505
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 3: University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Pittsburgh. Obviously UPMC has the

1506
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 3: Impact test. There's a sway balance test, there's a SCAT

1507
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 3: six score. These are all things that we in healthcare

1508
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 3: baseline and if there's moms and dads listening or an

1509
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 3: athlete that just got out of college says, oh, yeah,

1510
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 3: I had that done as a baseline. That's very common.

1511
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 3: So then it's measured their progression or deterioration is compared

1512
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 3: to that baseline. And so you repeat the testing and

1513
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 3: you put the athlete. You'll hear a lot about maybe

1514
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 3: a five step sequence where they've got to go through

1515
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 3: a walking activity, get on a bicycle at a sub

1516
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 3: maximal level, and then recover and do the symptoms still

1517
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 3: stay well, what are the symptoms? Headache, can't focus, just

1518
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 3: don't feel good, foggy memory, can't balance.

1519
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 8: On one leg.

1520
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 3: And so you wait until those symptoms pass with low

1521
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: level activity, then you go to high level activity, Jake.

1522
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 3: Some athletes can just click through those things on twenty

1523
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 3: four hour segments and they can be back really fast.

1524
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 3: Other athletes they don't respond as well. And even to

1525
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 3: sit in a team room and study is really really difficult.

1526
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 3: Now you're into severe injury. And so that's why at

1527
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: the high school and college level we put a lot

1528
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 3: of academic restrictions on student athletes because of it will

1529
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: actually make the concussion symptoms linger a little longer. Not

1530
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 3: that that's a free pass to get out of class.

1531
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 3: But you know these are these are serious situations and

1532
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: so the concussion progression is truly unique to that individual.

1533
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Ralph, I appreciate the explanations and the time, as always,

1534
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: would love to have you back on as inevitably, unfortunately

1535
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: we see more injuries over the course of the season,

1536
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 1: But for now, enjoy the remaining fabulous weather outside and

1537
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll talk to you soon.

1538
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: All right, take care of Jake.

1539
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: Ralphree of joining us on the program. By the way, Eddie,

1540
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: do you know where you get rich blood? By the

1541
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: way where blood bank? A come on? Work with me

1542
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 1: a little bit there, right a hah so funny fever

1543
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: in action tonight Scott Agne is going to join us

1544
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: talk about that just under ten. So I hear that.

1545
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: I know that. It means we're either going to be

1546
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 1: talking with Stephanie White or Scott Agnes.

1547
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 8: Right.

1548
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 2: Do you not know what this song title is, Jake

1549
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 2: is just shake it up close, shake it off?

1550
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: Yes? Sorry, I was thinking of the cars. Sorry, I mean,

1551
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: come on, do I get some credit there?

1552
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 8: I have?

1553
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: Again? I go back to I get it. I mean

1554
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,799
Speaker 1: when I went to the two shows over in saw Oasis,

1555
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: thought it was fabulous and people were all just coming

1556
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: together having a good time. I get it, it's cool.

1557
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if Scott agnes knew, Scott, did you

1558
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: know that you share a common Taylor Swift interest with

1559
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: Stephanie White?

1560
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 5: It doesn't surprise me. But I know her country background,

1561
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 5: so that that suits it well given where Taylor Swift

1562
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 5: grew up in the country world initially.

1563
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's be real, if you were to make

1564
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: a list of people that you have in common with

1565
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift, you know, interest or appreciation, it would

1566
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: be a pretty long list. Right.

1567
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, Yeah, there's good odds of that one.

1568
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Okay, let's get to it. Scott agnsfield

1569
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: House Files joining us on the program tonight. It is

1570
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 1: a win or stay home, as I had mentioned, because

1571
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 1: if they win, they go back to Atlanta for Game three.

1572
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 1: If Atlanta is able to win, the year is over

1573
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: for the Fever, and it would be disappointing to not advance. Admittedly,

1574
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: but you have to say, when considering the injuries and

1575
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: everything this team has gone through this year, it has

1576
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: still been you know, pretty positive just to get to

1577
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But let's focus on the now. This game tonight, Scott,

1578
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: tell me the things that Indiana did not do in

1579
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Game one that surprised you that need to be corrected.

1580
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the number one thing to me is

1581
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 5: just shooting. You can't go two of fifteen from three.

1582
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 5: And we knew coming into this season, we thought it

1583
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 5: was going to be one of the top three point

1584
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 5: shooting teams. And then obviously injuries negatively affected that. But

1585
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 5: no matter who's out there, you expect for them more

1586
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 5: than two players that is, to knock down some of

1587
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 5: those shots, I thought, given the fact also that the

1588
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 5: Dream shot below forty percent and were held to a

1589
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 5: couple bad quarters, and still the Fever weren't unable to

1590
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 5: take advantage of that. And then probably the third thing

1591
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 5: to me, Jake, is the fact that the Fever, despite

1592
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 5: their issues and concerns with the officials, not just that

1593
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 5: game but all season long, really is they attempted more

1594
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 5: free throws and there were more fouls called against the Dream,

1595
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 5: but still that really threw off the Fever's rhythm, I thought,

1596
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 5: especially in the fourth quarter Boston with a foul which

1597
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 5: was a bad one, one that I thought was legitimate.

1598
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 5: Then stuff Fanny White Technical Odyssey sims technical Scott.

1599
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: By the way, when I was talking about and I

1600
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: asked Eddie, I said, so, you know the Fever and

1601
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta split in the regular season, what did Indiana do

1602
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: in the regular season that has eluded them so far?

1603
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: And Eddie's immediate answer was, well, they had Caitlin Clark

1604
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: to begin with, pretty big difference, right when you look

1605
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: at their inability to shoot from the outside in Game

1606
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: one and going two for fifteen. Sometimes Scott shooters just

1607
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: there's a lid and it's just not going down for them.

1608
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: Other times, though, you can look at it and say

1609
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,440
Speaker 1: Atlanta did something to take away open looks or Indiana

1610
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: did not do something they normally do to get shooters

1611
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: open or in rhythm. Were either one of those things

1612
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: presented in game one? Yo.

1613
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 5: First, I want to go back to their head to

1614
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 5: head meetings. It was this really speaks to poor scheduling

1615
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 5: on the WNBA. These two teams face two of the

1616
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,759
Speaker 5: first three games in the season series of four games

1617
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 5: was over in the first twenty games, before the midway

1618
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 5: point of the season, before Caitlin's injury, and before they

1619
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 5: lost four other players two season ending injuries. So I

1620
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 5: think it was really a head to head matchup that

1621
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 5: you can't garner too much from. And for the Dream

1622
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 5: they also just needed time with this iteration, this group.

1623
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 5: This is a team that if not for what the

1624
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 5: Valkyries have done, I think you'd have Coach of the Year.

1625
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 5: They more than doubled their win total and have really

1626
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 5: had an oppressive season. Now in terms of the three

1627
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 5: point shooting for the Fever, I think one, it's the obvious.

1628
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 5: It's personnel. You're dealing with a bench that didn't contribute much.

1629
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 5: It's a bench that's limited in what they were doing.

1630
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 5: They were out of the league and out of the country,

1631
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 5: so I recognize that number one. And then defensively they

1632
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 5: were really this is the most physical team in the

1633
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 5: league to me, and it really is jarring for the Fever.

1634
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 5: It was all season long, and I think that physicality

1635
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 5: number one took them out of their spots, didn't allow

1636
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 5: them to easily cut through the lane or get to

1637
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 5: their open corners, and then found trouble. I thought with

1638
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 5: Aleah Boston was significant because the way they utilize her

1639
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 5: is more of a point guard and trying to set

1640
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 5: things up and her having to go to the bench

1641
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 5: with five fouls first thing in the fourth quarter obviously

1642
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 5: negated and negatively impacted what they were able to do

1643
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 5: out there.

1644
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: I thought when Indiana had the injuries they've had Scott

1645
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes, our guest from field House Files, I thought

1646
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: the fever perhaps would kind of reshuffle, if you will,

1647
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: their offensive sets to become an Aliyah Boston epicentered team.

1648
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: And obviously Kelsey Mitchell has had an outstanding season, and

1649
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: so Mitchell allowed them to continue to work on the perimeter.

1650
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: Do they incorporate the low posts as much as they should?

1651
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I would agree with that. I'd

1652
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,639
Speaker 1: like to see Aliah get more touches underneath, but they

1653
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: also have been playing her outside on a long nuper

1654
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 1: more often success there late in the game. I mean,

1655
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about their starting center Jake, and she led

1656
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: the team and assists. If that doesn't speak to the

1657
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: state of this group and also the evolution I think

1658
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: of Eliah's game in her third year, but I would

1659
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: like to see her get more touches, even if it

1660
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: doesn't result in an automatic shot, but play more of

1661
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: that inside out game. I will those stress in this

1662
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 1: matchup that is a little bit more difficult because of

1663
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: the size Bree Jones, Nas Hill and Ryan Howard even

1664
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: they're playing, Britney Grinder played just eight minutes off the bench,

1665
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: and that's another you know, probably Hall of Fame type

1666
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: big And by the way, my fun note of the

1667
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: game is the last time the Fever had a home

1668
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: playoff game, Britney Griner was in that one. She was

1669
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 1: playing for Phoenix at the time. A Fever assistant coach

1670
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: Brion January was on the court, and Stephanie White she

1671
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: was in year two coaching. So it's been a while,

1672
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: is what we're getting at right. It as quiet a

1673
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 1: bit Scott, what would you say though about you know,

1674
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: I guess basketball and sports in general at times can

1675
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: be so mental, and you know, we saw it in

1676
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: Game one. Perhaps there were times they did lose their cool,

1677
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, the technicals, you know you mentioned even with

1678
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,560
Speaker 1: some calls that kind of went their way. But overall

1679
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: and being around this franchise, this group from a coaching standpoint,

1680
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: a players standpoint, how would you explain the way that

1681
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:30,799
Speaker 1: they navigated from a mental standpoint, all that has gone

1682
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: into the attrition of this season.

1683
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's truly been remarkable. All the different things, even

1684
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 5: early on with Dewana Bonner less than a month in

1685
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 5: wanting out, Stephanie White dealing with the death in the family,

1686
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 5: she was away from the team for two games. Nothing

1687
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 5: about this season has been typical, and I think what

1688
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 5: they really did was rally around each other. About a

1689
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 5: month into the season, they had a big road trip

1690
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 5: out West, and I feel like that was one of

1691
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 5: the changing points in this group and now Jake, it's

1692
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 5: one of the most tight, tightly wound groups, and the

1693
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 5: chemistry and how they pour into each other is one

1694
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 5: of the most impressive things, especially when you factor in

1695
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 5: those individuals who haven't been around the team more than

1696
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,480
Speaker 5: a month and how close they have seemingly got engelled

1697
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 5: within the team, the challenges it's limiting what you can

1698
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 5: do offensively, and the play calls and the certain things.

1699
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 5: The thing they keep discussing is defensively some players not

1700
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 5: being in the right spots and not communicating and such.

1701
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 5: But I think to your point, I think this season

1702
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 5: to me has gone far better than expected given the circumstances,

1703
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 5: because they went they won more games in last season,

1704
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 5: and that was not factoring in even the four more

1705
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 5: games that they added this season, and so the fact

1706
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 5: that Kelsey Mitchell is having the best season of her

1707
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 5: career at Leah Boston's adapted Lexi Hall has literally laid

1708
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 5: her body on the line. I don't think you can

1709
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 5: say enough about it that even if the season does

1710
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 5: end tonight, while disappointing, I'm not sure what else you

1711
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 5: could have expected given these unprecedented injuries that they dealt

1712
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 5: with all season, and.

1713
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: With that those and I hate to put the cart

1714
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: before the horse here because you know, I don't think

1715
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: they lose tonight. Actually I think they go back to Atlanta.

1716
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: But for the sake of the discussion, the players that

1717
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: have come in as kind of emergency roster, you know,

1718
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: fill ins and those that were lost I mean like

1719
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 1: a Sophie Cunningham for example. And I am naive to this,

1720
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:29,959
Speaker 1: so I apologize. Contractually speaking, this team will look similar

1721
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: or different next season.

1722
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 5: How I would guess somewhat different. Here, here's the challenge

1723
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 5: in all this, and I'm vague because there are so

1724
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 5: many issues league wide that have not been resolved. We'll

1725
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 5: start with the new collective bargaining agreement. Then, Jake, you

1726
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 5: have two more teams added in. We don't know how

1727
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 5: expansion works, we don't know how many players you can protect.

1728
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 5: And then the other thing in all this, probably maybe

1729
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 5: the biggest factor is the fact that all the players

1730
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 5: knew it was going to be a new collective bargaining agreement,

1731
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 5: heightened contracts that might be worth two or three times

1732
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 5: what they're getting paid. Therefore, I think there were only

1733
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 5: a couple players this offseason that signed multi year deals.

1734
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 5: So I don't know what the percentage is, but it

1735
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 5: feels like, you know, outside of rookies players on their

1736
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 5: rookie scale contract, more than ninety percent of the league

1737
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 5: will be free agents.

1738
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: Now.

1739
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 5: I think there is a group of core players that

1740
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 5: you certainly hope will be back, starting with Kelsey Mitchell.

1741
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 5: Leah Bosta will still be on the rookie deal. I

1742
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 5: don't foresee Alexi Hall or Sophie Cunningham necessarily going anywhere,

1743
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 5: But that bench I think could change quite a bit,

1744
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 5: both due to injuries, like as Sidney Colson, your third

1745
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 5: string point guard had acl surgery in the middle of

1746
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 5: the season, what will she look like next season or

1747
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 5: do you need to bring someone that can help immediately.

1748
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 5: So I would say the roster probably looks dramatically different

1749
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 5: just given the direction this league is headed. But there

1750
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,639
Speaker 5: are way more question marks than answers at this juncture.

1751
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: Scott Agne is our guest Fieldhouse Files, where you can

1752
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 1: read his work Fever and The to Dream. Tonight, Scott,

1753
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: let's switch to the Pacer side of things. Your thoughts.

1754
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 1: I have my own cynical thought here, but your thoughts

1755
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: first and foremost on Tyre's Halliburton's shoe.

1756
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is something a lot all these players covered, right,

1757
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 5: is to have a signature shoe, and clearly Nike wasn't

1758
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 5: going to do it, and so he went to Puma

1759
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,600
Speaker 5: is able to do a lot more to it in

1760
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 5: terms of involvement and design, and we know Tyrese is

1761
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 5: big into fashion and so this means probably even more

1762
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 5: to him. I do like how they're kind of doing

1763
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 5: a rollout locally. I think that's often missed, So I

1764
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 5: do like that. The design I'd like to see start

1765
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 5: out with maybe more pacer colors or Iowa state color

1766
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 5: or something like that. I think his first one, by

1767
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 5: the way, was the boomer or pinstripe looking shoe. I

1768
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 5: really like that one from a Fever or a pacer

1769
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 5: centric shoe as he dropped it.

1770
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to be not a cynic here, okay,

1771
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: but I'm genuinely curious of this. Did it hurt? It

1772
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: had to have, I mean, Puma had to have been like,

1773
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. And I do not think they are affiliated.

1774
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they're related. I want to be very

1775
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:11,759
Speaker 1: clear here. As a matter of fact, I love Puma's

1776
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: and Adidas are my shoes, Like, I'm Puma's in Adidas

1777
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 1: guys ninety percent of the time. But when when you

1778
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: see the up close personal film clips of the Haliburton

1779
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: injury and he's wearing low cut Puma shoes that are

1780
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: basically the same design of what now are his signature shoe,

1781
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: that has to be a marketing nightmare right.

1782
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 5: A little bit, Although I take it the other way

1783
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 5: to remember that Game one comeback where he makes the

1784
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 5: big shot. I think it was Game one down in OKC.

1785
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 5: After the game, at his press conference, he put his

1786
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 5: brand new halle Ons, which are pink, I believe, on

1787
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 5: the court. So it was like it wrote the promo

1788
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 5: to me, wrote itself.

1789
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yeah, except for that, people, you know, you wonder

1790
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: if there are people that are going to say, oh,

1791
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing a high top, That's why he didn't,

1792
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 1: that's why he got hurt, et cetera. I know that

1793
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: that's ludicrous, but I'm saying.

1794
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, I do, and I totally

1795
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 5: understand that. I think they kind of got the best

1796
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 5: of both worlds. They got the high moment of a

1797
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 5: game winner wearing the shoes in its debut, and then

1798
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 5: obviously the Achilles injury and all this. I'm fascinated by

1799
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 5: this in general, because we're seeing a lot more maybe

1800
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 5: third party companies enter the fold with players, and a

1801
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,720
Speaker 5: lot more players wanting to do These brands with new

1802
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 5: balance getting back into the fold, and Anta's a big

1803
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 5: company overseas in particular.

1804
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: Now most of.

1805
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 5: These guys, I think the high levels have their own

1806
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 5: orthotics and such. But as we see maybe an uptick

1807
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 5: in injuries or change in injuries, the first thing I

1808
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 5: often wonder about, to your point, is the shoe and

1809
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 5: the build and have we got away from function for style.

1810
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it feels like there is something there.

1811
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 5: I just don't have anything to back it up.

1812
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: I like Aaron Nesmith's shoes. Aaron Ne Smith wears blue

1813
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:56,839
Speaker 1: and yellow New Balance. I think they're cool shoes.

1814
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, New Balance in a while, but everybody seems to

1815
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 5: be raving about them.

1816
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Haliburton ones are cool for sure. Now, how many different

1817
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 1: colors will they initially come out with?

1818
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 5: Well, we already did the pink one, and so I

1819
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 5: think this is the second one that we know of.

1820
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 5: I would guess there's four or five in the first year,

1821
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 5: but I think a lot of that certainly depends on

1822
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 5: the demand, and him being out this season probably is

1823
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 5: the worst factor in all that because he won't be

1824
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 5: wearing him on the court and there'll be no visuals

1825
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 5: there from him in game.

1826
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 1: And this is a dumb question. Do you know how

1827
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 1: much they'll be? One and forty dollars? That's and look,

1828
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. And I know for a

1829
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 1: lot of people, I mean, that's a lot of money,

1830
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 1: but for a basketball shoe of an upper echelon NBA player,

1831
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: that's pretty much market value, right.

1832
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, one hundred and thirty, I should get

1833
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 5: it right, one thirty. The kid's shoe is won ten.

1834
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 5: I think what we have seen I forget who it was,

1835
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 5: maybe Shack or like a Brandon Jennings wanted to make it.

1836
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,759
Speaker 5: Maybe it was you know, it was Damian Lillard most recently,

1837
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 5: I'm sorry in Adidas, and I think he is not

1838
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,839
Speaker 5: only having a shoe available at like one hundred dollars,

1839
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 5: but he's going to wear that shoe. So it's a

1840
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 5: lesser shoe, but he's gonna wear it on court and say, hey, look,

1841
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 5: you know, if it's good enough for me, it's good

1842
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 5: enough for you.

1843
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 1: But that, you know what I mean. Shaq eventually did that.

1844
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: Marbury did it, and people kind of made fun of it,

1845
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: but I thought it was cool that Marbury did it,

1846
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, had his own line, the

1847
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 1: Starberry shoe. You know, there was a time Scott. The

1848
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 1: shoe thing to me is fascinating because you know, obviously

1849
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 1: Jordan was the epicenter of this, and I remember, you know,

1850
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: when the Air Jordans came out. David Letterman had a

1851
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 1: fabulous line about that on Letterman and when he was

1852
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:41,759
Speaker 1: getting fined for it initially, but then every player started

1853
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 1: getting their own shoe, and then it got to the

1854
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: point where it went like too far the other way,

1855
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,759
Speaker 1: where it seems to me, in other words, like we're

1856
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: back to the point where you have to be a start.

1857
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 1: Like in other words, it is a compliment to Tyrese

1858
01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: Haliburton that he has his own designed shoe because I

1859
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 1: mean there was a time there where, like you know,

1860
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole was getting a shoe, you know whatever. But

1861
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:07,640
Speaker 1: they kind of scaled that back, did they not?

1862
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 5: I think a little bit. But because you're seeing more

1863
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 5: shoe companies enter the NBA and get players to wear them.

1864
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 5: I think Puma is a perfect example. Like five seven

1865
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 5: years ago, I'm not sure anybody wore Puma. Well remember

1866
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,559
Speaker 5: in basketball and so and so. As part of that,

1867
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 5: what I'm getting at is you have more more opportunities

1868
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 5: for players to get their own shoe, like LaMelo Ball,

1869
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 5: who hasn't really done much in the league as marketable.

1870
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 5: But Puma's kind of leaned into that. But you're absolutely right,

1871
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 5: number one, you get big ball or brand. I think

1872
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 5: he later admitted that's part of the reason I think

1873
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 5: he had that injury.

1874
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I mean yeah, but you know what I mean, Hey, Scott,

1875
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 1: before we let you go, Eddie points this out, but

1876
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a chance to expand on it.

1877
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 1: Pacers are back working out at Pascal Siatcom's house. Right.

1878
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1879
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 5: This is the second straight year that Pascal's to them

1880
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 5: down to Orlando, Florida. He's got an incredible gym down there.

1881
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 5: It's really his off season home. And so it's a

1882
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 5: player's only mini camp where they can get in whatever

1883
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 5: work they want, within each other, for each other.

1884
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: Often.

1885
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 5: I think it was last year, maybe they brought the

1886
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 5: maybe it was Tyres or a player too, brought in

1887
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 5: a couple speakers. They have team dinners together. This is

1888
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 5: the start the formation of what this group does leading

1889
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 5: into training camp, which Jake, believe it or not, two

1890
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 5: weeks from today.

1891
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: Believable, well, unbelievable, but you know what good I mean.

1892
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: And again I keep going back to like you think, like,

1893
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:36,879
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm so excited that we're just in the finals.

1894
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 1: It is going to be a different team. But I

1895
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: think that there are areas that are going to be

1896
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 1: that I'm very intrigued by with it, including what Huff

1897
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,600
Speaker 1: can do. And you know, wise men, and you know

1898
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: there are still some some big question marks for certain

1899
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 1: and some big areas of intrigued. Fieldhouse files where you

1900
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: can read about all of that, including tonight's game between

1901
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: The Fever and the Atlanta Dreams. Scott Agnes will have

1902
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: all of it, Scott pre as always my pleasure to

1903
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: thank you, Jake It Scott Agnes joining us on the

1904
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: show Eddie again. We'll have the pregame tonight for the

1905
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: Fever coming up, all right, when we come back. We

1906
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: got into it a little bit earlier, but that is

1907
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: what exactly is the ceiling for Daniel Jones and his

1908
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 1: placement in Indianapolis and where does that then place him

1909
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: within the league of what we talked about of quarterbacks

1910
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Back into that conversation. Next, by the way,

1911
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: here is an odd Jake Querry fun fact that no

1912
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: one but Jake Querry cares about. I was a huge

1913
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 1: fan of the talent and as well the philanthropic personality

1914
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: of George Michael. George Michael I read when he passed

1915
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day some six years ago something like that

1916
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 1: that they believe that his net worth may have been

1917
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 1: reduced by upward of like seventy percent because in his

1918
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 1: later years, I say later, it's not like he lived

1919
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: to be ninety, but in his more reclusive years he

1920
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:12,839
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time simply reading newspapers in England

1921
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 1: and reading of situations of people who were down and

1922
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 1: out or people who'd lost a home and a fire,

1923
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: whatever else, and he would anonymously find out where he

1924
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: could make donations and that kind of thing. And they

1925
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,360
Speaker 1: think he might have given away upwards of like some

1926
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars or something to different things and a massive,

1927
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 1: massive talent. Okay, speaking of massive talent, we did this earlier.

1928
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about Daniel Jones, and I was

1929
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 1: thinking about Daniel Jones in terms of where exactly he

1930
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 1: could slot for the Colts if this continues what we're seeing.

1931
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 1: And I thought of this because last night I watched

1932
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 1: four games and I watched four quarterbacks and I saw,

1933
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you have Justin Herbert, who was drafted

1934
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: inside the top ten by the Chargers and has now

1935
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: paired with Jim Harbaugh and it looks like, you know,

1936
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 1: all the tools are there. And Baker Mayfield, who was

1937
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 1: drafted number one overall into a franchise that was kind

1938
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 1: of in disarray and there was just you know, uncertainty

1939
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: and unstability all around him. But now he has, in

1940
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 1: a vagabond fashion, landed in Tampa, and you knew late

1941
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 1: in that game when the Bucks got the ball and

1942
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 1: had to go to link to the field that Baker

1943
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:33,640
Speaker 1: Mayfield is one of them that's like we're going down

1944
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 1: and scoring, period. And you got to like him, and

1945
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: I like his moxie and I think he's a good quarterback.

1946
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: But he had to kind of get out of Cleveland

1947
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: in order to be that perhaps, or maybe Cleveland gave

1948
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,760
Speaker 1: up too early and.

1949
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 2: He got out of Carolina as well.

1950
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 1: Correct. I mean he's been a couple of places. He

1951
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: was in LA as well, but I'll never.

1952
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 2: Forget that game, Jake. I don't know if you remember this.

1953
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 2: He's on the short week. I think it was Thursday

1954
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 2: night football and he's with the Rams and whomever the

1955
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 2: quarterback was, Stafford maybe goes down and they have to

1956
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 2: bring in Baker and he's only been there for like

1957
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 2: two days, and he leads them to a game winning drive. Yeah,

1958
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he has a hit factor about him. Right

1959
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 2: then you have CJ. Stroud, who we immediately said this

1960
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 2: is the guy, and yet he I'm not gonna say

1961
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:25,679
Speaker 2: he's regressed, but for a guy that is a ball

1962
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 2: placement specialist to use his words and certainly looked every

1963
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 2: bit of that. Early in his career, he started to

1964
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 2: miss some throws and you wonder if maybe the voices

1965
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,600
Speaker 2: aren't there a little bit, but I think still a

1966
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 2: nice player. And then Gino Smith, who you know is

1967
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 2: kind of a journeyman, and you know, this is the

1968
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 2: last place we'll see if you know, the Raiders can

1969
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,759
Speaker 2: can keep afloat what he was able to do in Seattle.

1970
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 2: But in looking over those guys, and there's a lot

1971
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 2: that goes into this, and I was thinking about the

1972
01:51:55,960 --> 01:52:01,680
Speaker 2: fact that for the Colts really sent they've come from Baltimore.

1973
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 2: The Colts have had three franchise quarterbacks, and by that

1974
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 2: I mean guys that they unwrapped, they opened the gift box,

1975
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 2: they took it out of the shrink wrap, and it

1976
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 2: was ready to go, and it was Jeff George, Andrew

1977
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 2: Luck and Peyton Manning. Those are the three guys that

1978
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 2: you could say Chris Chandler, but those are the three

1979
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 2: guys that everybody knew from the get go, like they're

1980
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 2: going to build around these guys, and their roster is

1981
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 2: going to be built around these quarterbacks. Jeff George's case

1982
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 2: is unique because at that time, you still had the

1983
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 2: Bobbers influence, which led to instability. You had a ton

1984
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 2: of offensive coordinator changes. They draft, They sent away their

1985
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 2: best linemen and their best receiver to get Jeff George.

1986
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,400
Speaker 2: It just never got it, never got any foundation or footing,

1987
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 2: and he then became kind of Baker Mayfield. He went

1988
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:55,400
Speaker 2: elsewhere and really then was able to bloss and grow

1989
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 2: and lead the league in passing yards, et cetera. But

1990
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 2: George and Luck are excuse me, Manning and Luck are

1991
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 2: guys that were unique because you took them.

1992
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:10,240
Speaker 1: Number one overall. And in Manning's case, he'd been around

1993
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:13,480
Speaker 1: the NFL his entire life, and I think he expected

1994
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: and understood everything that comes with being a franchise quarterback.

1995
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: Luck obviously was very cerebral and etc. And they've been

1996
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:24,599
Speaker 1: looking for a quarterback since. And now you wonder if

1997
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, based on his age, is this a guy

1998
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 1: that in fact they're going to be able to build

1999
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:38,200
Speaker 1: on or is he a transitional guy. So I broke

2000
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:44,719
Speaker 1: the NFL starting quarterbacks of today into five groups, and Eddie,

2001
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to read you these groups, and then once

2002
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: I do it, I want to go back over where

2003
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:52,679
Speaker 1: you think Daniel Jones at his ceiling, at the best

2004
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:56,639
Speaker 1: version of himself could be if he's here beyond this

2005
01:53:56,680 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: one year contract. Okay. Group one are franchise quarterbacks, and

2006
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 1: the definition for this means guys that right now are

2007
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 1: in their prime or show that they are ready to

2008
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:13,759
Speaker 1: be in their prime, and it is very clear that

2009
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 1: they make other players better, and you would almost it

2010
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: would be a challenge to almost not succeed with this

2011
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 1: guy as your quarterback. These guys are obvious Josh Allen,

2012
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:28,680
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson no particular order, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, and

2013
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 1: then I've got two that are right on the tier

2014
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 1: of this, but I'm gonna put them there anyway because

2015
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: I like him and I'm going to give him better

2016
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: for that doubt justin Herbert. And then the other one

2017
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 1: it might be too early, admittedly, but I'll put Jayden

2018
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: Daniels there because I think he's a special talent. Group two.

2019
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 1: These are players that you absolutely can win with, but

2020
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: you got to kind of still make sure that you've

2021
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 1: got good players around them and just support them a

2022
01:54:54,400 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: little bit. Bo Knicks, Trevor Lawrence, Jared Goff At Stafford

2023
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 1: and again Stafford, I think at one time was in

2024
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: the franchise list, but he's older now. This is just

2025
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 1: where they are right now. Dak Prescott, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love,

2026
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. That's my list in that grouping, okay, Group three.

2027
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: Group three is the dangerous group because these are guys

2028
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: that keep you stuck in a holding pattern. They're not terrible.

2029
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a competitive week in and week out.

2030
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 2: They'll put you in purgatory or that baa.

2031
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 1: Suck, Yes, that suck. That's I actually have written right here,

2032
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,840
Speaker 1: holding pattern. In that of suck, you are every year

2033
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 1: you are ceiling at eleven and six. Your floor is

2034
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: seven and nine, but you're never drafting outside like you

2035
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 1: know in the top fifteen. They're perfectly sufficient. But now

2036
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 1: we know who they are in this grouping Tua C. J.

2037
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 1: Stra justin Fields, which might be a little high for him,

2038
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Brock Purty, Sam Darnold, Gino Smith, Kyler Murray Okay. And

2039
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 1: then group four. These are guys that when you're you're

2040
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 1: driving along on the interstate and you want to reach

2041
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 1: back and grab that bag of pretzels that you know

2042
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: you brought for the road trip, and your Buddy's riding

2043
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 1: shotgun and you're like, hey, can you grab the wheel

2044
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 1: real quick? I'm gonna say I gotta lean back real

2045
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 1: quick and find this bag of pretzels. Just I'm in

2046
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: the right lane. Just grab the wheel and make sure

2047
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 1: we don't drive off the road. These are guys that

2048
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 1: are simply holding the seat, holding onto the wheel until

2049
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: the next guy takes over. Start because they have to start,

2050
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 1: because they have to. Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,

2051
01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 1: and Spencer Rattler. No one thinks they're the long term

2052
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: answer at any of the places they are, and they

2053
01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 1: probably in two years are going to be there. These

2054
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 1: are the guys. The easiest way to list this group.

2055
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 1: These are the guys who in two years the jersey

2056
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 1: of where they're currently playing are available at a thrift store.

2057
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 1: Because you're like, I have no memory of that guy

2058
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 1: playing there. ARP holders in Spencer Ratler, Yes, that's exactly correct.

2059
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: And then the last group is you're incomplete. Guys that

2060
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: look like they're gonna get the opportunity to show whether

2061
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 1: or not they belong with their franchise. Drake May, cam Ward,

2062
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams JJ McCarthy. The young

2063
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 1: group right now with that at ceiling, the best version

2064
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones you see being in which group?

2065
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 2: I can see him being in that second tier where

2066
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 2: you have Jared Goff, because I feel like there's a

2067
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 2: little bit more there with Daniel. There is golf. Now,

2068
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 2: golf is an elite passer and processor. I think Daniel

2069
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 2: Daniels is showing that he can be an elite processor

2070
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 2: and he's looking solid as a passer. But for me,

2071
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,160
Speaker 2: I think the difference between those two would be that

2072
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:11,200
Speaker 2: Danie Jones gives you some more built, some mobility, and

2073
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones doesn't have the same level of weaponry around

2074
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 2: him as golf.

2075
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: To you know, interesting to me about goth Jared Goff

2076
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 1: who and I've always said, you got to give Jared

2077
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 1: Goff credit for this. Here's a guy that grew up

2078
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 1: in California, played collegiately in California, good looking guy, swimsuit model, girlfriend,

2079
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gets drafted by the La Rams, living in

2080
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 1: La Huntington Beach. Girlfriend, Yeah, what are you gonna do

2081
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 1: this weekend on your off day? Jared?

2082
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2083
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 1: I think my girlfriend and I who's a SI swimsuit model.

2084
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 1: Are probably gonna walk around Manhattan Beach. Maybe go check

2085
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 1: out the peer Okay, life's good, right, I might enter

2086
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 1: a Ryan Gossley look alike contest. I don't know. I

2087
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: mean just hang out, okay, and then one day it

2088
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 1: all changes. What you do this weekend, Jared, Well, I'm

2089
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 1: not sure I got traded. My girlfriend's doing a photo

2090
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:12,320
Speaker 1: shoot down in Costa Rica, and I mean, I guess

2091
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 1: I could go to the Ford Museum, or I might

2092
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 1: go past where Eminem lived and he goes to Detroit

2093
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 1: and give this guy credit. Man, he went to a

2094
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Lion's team that was struggling whatever else and boom, yep.

2095
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:30,720
Speaker 1: I mean he's playing well in matter of fact, his

2096
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 1: week two. You know, I tell the story all the time.

2097
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm proud of this. But when I heard my heart

2098
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:38,800
Speaker 1: attack and I'm sitting there and I'm trying to figure

2099
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:42,640
Speaker 1: out just how much trouble I'm in, and I said

2100
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 1: before they were about to put the stint in to

2101
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:48,160
Speaker 1: my cardiologist, Look, put this in NFL terms. If I'm

2102
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback right now, if my heart is a quarterback,

2103
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 1: what quarterback am I like? Fourth quarter? Here? What quarterback

2104
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 1: am I dealing with. So when I had my cardiac

2105
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:03,360
Speaker 1: stress test last week and he looked over everything, I said, well,

2106
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 1: what quarterback am I? And Mautman's alliance fan he grew

2107
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:12,280
Speaker 1: up in Detroit, and he said, Jared Goff, but week

2108
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 1: two this was like last Wednesday. He goes Jared Goff,

2109
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 1: but week two, making the reference that what we saw

2110
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 1: in week one was not correct. Jared Goff. By the way,

2111
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:23,840
Speaker 1: this did you see what he did? Oh too? Oh yeah,

2112
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 1: nearly perfect quarterback rating in five touchdowns.

2113
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,960
Speaker 2: I can I offer some criticism Jake for your your

2114
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 2: rankings here.

2115
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 1: Back to my rankings. Yes, so I agree with you.

2116
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 1: I think Jones could be in that grouping of a

2117
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,400
Speaker 1: guy you win with, but you got to make sure

2118
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:40,160
Speaker 1: you have help around him. But they do right now.

2119
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 1: They have good offensive weapons for him, and then maybe

2120
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:47,160
Speaker 1: if he if he comes down to earth a little bit,

2121
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Speaker 1: then in fact, he is one of those guys that's

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Speaker 1: just kind of a holding pattern guy.

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Speaker 2: So for me, overlooking this, I read it all down earlier.

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Speaker 2: I like the Herbert and Hurts part of this. I

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Speaker 2: feel like they're in their own tier where they're between

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Speaker 2: the franchise.

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Speaker 1: And need help around them.

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Speaker 2: That's fair because Herbert hasn't won it yet on in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. Hurts has won it in the playoffs. But

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Speaker 2: I still if the ball, if you give him the

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Speaker 2: ball with forty seconds left and you can go down

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Speaker 2: and get a touchdown, I'm not confident in him able

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Speaker 2: being able to do that.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is with Hurts, who's a very good player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I got a lot of love for Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting is with Hurts, because of the branding,

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Speaker 1: of the fact that Philadelphia had been there, you get

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Speaker 1: the feeling that when Philly wins that perhaps part of

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Speaker 1: that is Jalen Hurts is benefiting from the roster around him,

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Speaker 1: whereas Herbert when they fall short, you get the feeling

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Speaker 1: that for justin Herbert, they're falling short because of the

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Speaker 1: roster around him, and it's not his fault. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he put four picks. I know he is struggling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you do see though, with with Herbert, he does

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Speaker 1: his size in his arms strength alone, and you just go, yeah,

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02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 1: I think this guy's got all the tools and now

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Speaker 1: paired with horrible I might be a little like I

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Speaker 1: said Daniels and Herbert, both I may be accelerating putting

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Speaker 1: them in group one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you are with Daniels just because of

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02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,760
Speaker 2: what he did is rookie, and I think the dude

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02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 2: makes winning plays all the time and he can will

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Speaker 2: the Commanders to wins. Two other ones Trevor Lawrence. I

2154
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Speaker 2: don't know if he belongs in that other group with Boenix,

2155
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:30,560
Speaker 2: Jared Goff, Matt Stafford, dak Love and Baker. And then

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Speaker 2: for me, I think it's so hard to evaluate C. J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud and all this.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that when Stroud had a healthy O

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Speaker 2: line in front of him and he had healthy playmakers

2160
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:42,840
Speaker 2: around him, he looked great. But right now, when he's

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Speaker 2: got time to stand there, you're right, he gets the

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Speaker 2: ball where Yeah, I thought, but like last night, you

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Speaker 2: look at that game, Jake, and you're like, Okay, Nico

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Speaker 2: Collins and who like true like who's he got?

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Speaker 1: It felt to me like he was was hearing the

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Speaker 1: footsteps in his head. Though now Lawrence, and it admittedly

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02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:04,839
Speaker 1: with Lawrence unbiased, I still believe I think that Lawrence

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Speaker 1: at this point may be too broken, And by that

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Speaker 1: I mean I think some of the head injuries he's

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Speaker 1: had and I don't mean that so he's loopy. I

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Speaker 1: just I think again, he's another one. I think his

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02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:16,800
Speaker 1: happy feet probably now because of some of the abuse

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02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,520
Speaker 1: he's taken. But he's another I mean, how much help

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Speaker 1: does he really have around him?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they get they gave him, They've given him

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, They've given him, Brian Thomas Cheer.

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Speaker 1: I mean correct, right now, he had Christian Kirk and

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. But the line, I mean, he was running

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Speaker 1: for his life, and I you.

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Speaker 2: Know, he's been another one of those that needs a

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Speaker 2: fresh start somewhere else to you know, have success.

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Speaker 1: To me, injuries were he was so reliable in college

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Speaker 1: from an injury standpoint, I think it's he just got battered,

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02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:52,920
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I again, I keep going back

2185
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:56,280
Speaker 1: to when he was a freshman in college and he

2186
02:03:56,400 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 1: absolutely eviscerated Alabama and hearing Kirk Kirk streets, this guy

2187
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:03,360
Speaker 1: looks like a ten year NFL veteran with his processing

2188
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:06,800
Speaker 1: and his placement. Now, admittedly he was thrown the guys

2189
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:11,120
Speaker 1: that are all playing on Sundays. That helps. That absolutely helps. JMB.

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Speaker 1: Is he here today or is he out and about?

2191
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Speaker 1: I believe he's here. We will do the love heating

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Speaker 1: and air crossover. Handed over to John, find out what

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Speaker 1: he's got lined up, and we'll do it next. Every

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Speaker 1: time I hear this song, I feel like I'm at

2195
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Speaker 1: the USA Skating Rink for the roller skating parties of

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty like one or two whatever year this came out.

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Speaker 1: Great song. Well, Joan Jet my sister was a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of Jones Ja nineteen eighty one. There you go.

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Speaker 1: You know, I need to ask J ANDV this. I

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02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 1: went down a rabbit hole on YouTube the other day.

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Speaker 1: Oh goodness. And I don't know how or well, I

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Speaker 1: take that back. I do know exactly. That's a dangerous

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02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:58,120
Speaker 1: place to be. It is, but you know how it

2204
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 1: is when you once you click on a certain a story,

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02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:04,720
Speaker 1: then it goes with the algorithm, right, yep. And I

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02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:11,200
Speaker 1: was watching a store a news story from Indianapolis from

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02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 1: the mid eighties, and so then it took me through

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02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 1: on the right and had all these like old school,

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Speaker 1: you know, like vintage Indiana things, and one of them

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Speaker 1: was a clip of Damon Bailey playing in the eighth

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Speaker 1: grade in Heltonville and he was playing it was seventh

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Speaker 1: or eighth grade, and it was a home video obviously,

2213
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Speaker 1: And it's hard to say because back in those days,

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02:05:41,680 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 1: in like in middle school, everybody's just wearing you know,

2215
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 1: the random like white jerseys or blue jerseys with two

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02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:51,480
Speaker 1: numbers on it. But there was a kid on the

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02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:57,200
Speaker 1: other team, kind of a doe kid, dowe or insulated gelatinous,

2218
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Speaker 1: like a bigger kid. When I say bigger kid, I

2219
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 1: mean like he was tall and not not heavy set

2220
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 1: by any stretch, but just you know, like hadn't filled

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02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:11,080
Speaker 1: out yet. And what's that? Yes, and Bailey was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Damon Bailey in the eighth grade. I mean looked like

2223
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Speaker 1: he did when he was like a senior in high school.

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02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 1: So that that obviously helped and why he was such

2225
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:22,120
Speaker 1: a good player. But but as I was watching it,

2226
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I think J and V

2227
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:27,240
Speaker 1: might be one of the guys on the floor. I

2228
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:29,240
Speaker 1: think it might be that, Like, there was a guy

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Speaker 1: on the floor that I'm like, that just looks like

2230
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:36,360
Speaker 1: J ANDV. So I was genuinely curious because he grew

2231
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 1: up in the same area. Okay, I got a concern here, jakeka.

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Speaker 2: I just got a text, May Jake awesome show today,

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Speaker 2: who the heck got my number and thinks I'm you.

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Speaker 1: Boy. That's a great question. That's a great question. I

2235
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 1: don't know. But you know what, take any compliment you

2236
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 1: can get, Addie. I guess uh. J ANDV has just arrived.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it is the crossover brought to you

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Speaker 1: Cooling dealer. I was just asking this, John, I was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I went down a rabbit hole of YouTube clips. Yes,

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02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 1: and there was a YouTube clip that I stumbled upon

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02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 1: that's basically just a home video of Damon Bailey playing

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Speaker 1: in middle school.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's awesome. And at Shaw'swick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well helton Bill Well, and I only went to

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Speaker 1: Shaw'swick too. Heltonville was the town he lived in. Shaw'swick

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Speaker 1: was the school, right school? Yeah? I could have sworn

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Speaker 1: you were in the video, now, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Was there like a fat kid that had a bowl haircut, Yes,

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02:07:44,200 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 9: that looked like kind of like the miniature Chubby from Timol.

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Speaker 9: That's exactly while I was trying to block out on

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Speaker 9: fifty one, did you ever play against Bailey. Uh, he played.

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Speaker 9: He was a year behind me at the Bedford Boys clubs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we but you did not play it in middle school? Right? No?

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Speaker 9: No, no, it had been been a different guys. I

2258
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:09,440
Speaker 9: knew the guys have played on those teams that for example,

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02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 9: that eighty seven team.

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Speaker 1: Jay Ritter and Jay Ritterer. We were all the same garrison.

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Speaker 9: See, I was at the Bedford Boys Club, so I

2262
02:08:17,120 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 9: was with all those guys. We went to Marion and

2263
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 9: played Marion and I had to guard Derreck Keyes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you said that went well? Right? Yeah?

2265
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:26,960
Speaker 9: No, I think he dunked, if I remember correctly, on

2266
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 9: an eight foot goal and I cried.

2267
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Speaker 1: But when you were so let me ask you this,

2268
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 1: when you were that age, who was a better, very

2269
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Speaker 1: clear future standout, Derek Keys or Bailey?

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Speaker 9: I mean you could always tell Bailey at the youngest

2271
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:46,120
Speaker 9: of ages were going to be something. Derek Keys was

2272
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:48,400
Speaker 9: pretty outstanding, I know. See I didn't even know. I

2273
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 9: didn't know of Jay or Lindon at that time, and

2274
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:55,000
Speaker 9: they were a grade above. I think both per Singers

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Speaker 9: and Derek Keyes were in this particular grade with me,

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Speaker 9: and that's that's who I played.

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Speaker 1: It was such a loaded Arabatic goodness. I mean they were.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting the eighty nine all start like

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02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, you know, Matt Painter, ye dealt

2280
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 1: at eighty nine, and I mean you hardly heard and

2281
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:13,680
Speaker 1: you know he averaged you know, twenty nine a game,

2282
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:16,960
Speaker 1: something thirty a game. But I mean you had Pat Grahmy,

2283
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 1: had Greg Grahmy, had Chris Lawson, you had in Cheney

2284
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:22,680
Speaker 1: nobody talked about, right, I mean Liary was a great

2285
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:25,520
Speaker 1: player coming out of high school. Barbie, Henry Williams. I

2286
02:09:25,560 --> 02:09:26,600
Speaker 1: mean it was loaded, man.

2287
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:29,280
Speaker 9: Well, Mary was so loaded. Mary was loaded even before

2288
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:32,880
Speaker 9: those guys got the no ones. And that was his name,

2289
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Speaker 9: was it?

2290
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 1: Jake Tiegel, the big guy something that would have been

2291
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,160
Speaker 1: what mid eighties, right like eighty where'd they go? They

2292
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:40,720
Speaker 1: went right after Blackman?

2293
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Speaker 9: They went eighty six and eighty seven, correct, that was

2294
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:44,680
Speaker 9: the triple.

2295
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:48,200
Speaker 1: Purple Blackman came out eighty three. Yeah, I mean loaded,

2296
02:09:48,360 --> 02:09:51,160
Speaker 1: oh man, it was. It was good, good stuff, fun

2297
02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 1: time for sure. Matt and Anderson and Munsey and all

2298
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:55,560
Speaker 1: of it was loaded. We think about just going to

2299
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 1: the Wigwam and seeing Madison Heights and Anderson and Highland

2300
02:09:58,440 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean in the in the early to mid eight.

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Speaker 9: He's link Darner was Madison Heights right back then, I

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Speaker 9: think correct.

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Speaker 1: Was he Madison Heights or Highland? He might have been hot.

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02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah he was Madison Heights. Oh, he was Madison Heights.

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Speaker 1: That was That was a hell of an er. Right.

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Speaker 9: I did the same thing though. I watched the best

2307
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 9: I know, We got to run here. I was watching

2308
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:18,280
Speaker 9: Vincent's and Somebody when Courtney Whittie was.

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02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:20,240
Speaker 1: Playing in a Chance. I saw that. Yeah, I was

2310
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 1: watching that the other day too, nineteen eighty right, yeah, yeah,

2311
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Speaker 1: all right, John's up next. You got a big show

2312
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Speaker 1: lined up, No, we do.

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Speaker 9: We're gonna talk I you Illinois. We'll talk more colts

2314
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:31,120
Speaker 9: in a little high school mixed in too.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jay and V's up next. We'll be back

2316
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Speaker 1: with you at noon tomorrow. And I thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to the Quary and Company.