1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Joining us now in the Fieldhouse or from field House files, 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: I should say on the Joba House Peeling Port guest Line, 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Regular program guest Scott Agnes joining us. Scott, you heard 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Rick Carlyle's comments yesterday about Ben Matheren and that is 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: and someone asked me this, and I will parlay the 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: question to you. When Rick Carlile was asked about Ben Matheren, 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: he was very favorable in talking about Ben Matheren yesterday. 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Is that typical of Rick Carlile when asked about a 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: player or does it feel more like that was Rick 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: Carlyle making a push and selling Ben matherin here as 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: the trade deadline approaches. 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 3: On that front, Rick always puts up his players, even 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 3: in bad losses. Right, He'll go up there and say 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 3: it's all my fault, bad game plan, you know, let's 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: move on type of thing. So Number one, he's always 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: going to elevate his players, speak well of them. But 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: to your point, I have taken notice with my ears 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: extra elevated, listening closely and the two guys that I 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: feel like he's gone above and beyond to credit, to emphasize, 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: maybe to single out when not asked about them, have 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: been Jeris Walker and Benedict Mathern. 23 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, okay, I want to begin with this Jeris Walker. 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Now it's eleventh hour stuff for sure, Scott. But and 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I hope I'm not falling in love with fools Gold. 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: But I've seen enough in the last literally three weeks 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: to a month to now sell me on the fact 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: that Jeris Walker is somebody I want to run with 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: long term. 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Yeah, I would agree with. 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: I mean, he's brought some consistencies, some stability to his game, 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: especially over the last two weeks. And it's not just 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 3: the offense. We can point to the fact that he's 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: been in double figures the last half dozen games. But 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: for me, more so, it's it's his reads, it's his 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: defensive coverages, it's you know, getting a couple of steals 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 3: here and there. Yeah, there's a lot on the bone 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: that we haven't seen. So I kind of feel the 39 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: same way with you. 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: The other thing about him that I really like is Walker. 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: I think can defend multiple positions, and that's what I 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: like about him, Scott. I think the Jeris Walker for 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: so long myself probably is the forefront of this. I 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: kept saying, like, when is the fog gonna lift because 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: I watched him offensively and it looked like the game 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: was moving too fast for him. And I think what 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't paying enough attention to was the fact that 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Jeris Walker can change things a little bit for you 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: because you can put him at like any of three 50 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: different positions defensively, and he is going to be solid 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,559 Speaker 1: at any of those three positions from a defensive standpoint, 52 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: and that allows you flexibility and versatility of your rotations 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: and sets defensively. 54 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: Do you agree with that? 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 5: I do. 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 57 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: The defense we expected and I would just surprised we 58 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: hadn't seen it as much. But the defense that was 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: the biggest thing coming into being an NBA players is 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: versatility defend the one through four can pick and pop 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: actions to take on bigger guys. He's got the size 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: and length that they've been missing and probably are still 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: missing when you consider modern day basketball with Toronto and 64 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: Orlando and some of the many teams they've seen here 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: recently that have those six' eight six' nine wings with 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 3: that athleticism. And SUCH but i think the biggest thing 67 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: that has Been beneficial Jake to jarris is the consistency 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: within his role. IN lineups i took notice right like 69 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: when he's playing his. BEST basketball i guess last night 70 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: was an Exception because houston is so big that you 71 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: truly need a center. In There but jarris had been 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: in that. Starting lineup he had been with that same 73 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: group within the, starting lineup and then you saw a, 74 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: Consistent result AND so i think that's what he's. Been 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: lacking IT'S am i? Playing tonight, if so what ROLE 76 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: am i going to get? Two minutes and in? Twelve 77 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: minutes who's? Injured TONIGHT and i think that's really been 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: a challenge, for him especially even you even go back 79 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: to last postseason when he was starting to contribute In 80 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: The eastern conference FINALS and i thought he absolutely would 81 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: have contributed IN The nba finals and then suffer that 82 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: setback with. 83 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: The injury, YOU know I think SCOTT and i mentioned 84 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: this about a lot. Of, players okay we have had 85 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: YOU and i have had on this radio show this 86 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: conversation about a number of, different people and that is 87 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: trying to determine when there's a player that is suddenly getting. 88 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Regular reps is that player getting regular reps because? 89 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: Of necessity and somebody needs to get the. 90 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: Minutes, right now or have they broken past that of 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: showing a skill set, that's, like okay this is, somebody 92 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: that even when they are, fully healthy is going to be. 93 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: In rotation so today's subject matter of that Inquiry Is. 94 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 4: Johnny, furfey, GO. 95 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah I Think johnny furfey is broken into. The rotation 96 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: he would not be a, starter though like he has 97 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: consistently been here in. Recent weeks looking forecasting towards a, next, 98 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: season MAYBE but i definitely think he's earned a spot on, 99 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: the rotation especially because of, HIS defense. 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 4: I think and, his, REBOUNDING right i mean. 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: Rebounding absolutely you know he's the best rebounders on. 102 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: The, TEAM now i didn't, Know. 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: This scott are you ready for a? Degenerative? Gambler? Tip 104 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: here give it. TO me i didn't. Know this Last 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: time i'm at. The game the guy sitting next to 106 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: me not met, HIM before a, nice dude and, he, 107 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: SAYS yeah i need at least four Rebounds For. JOHNNY furfey, i, 108 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: go okay? Why's that and, he, SAYS well i wagered. 109 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: On it but and, he said but The, and eddie 110 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: you tell Me? You're eddie are you a degenerate gambler 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: or have you, BE huh i. CAN be i know 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: You and jimmy used to get involved in that from time. To, 113 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: time right you were like dynamite and match when it 114 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: came to. That, stuff, Right, Sure okay so here's. My 115 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: question so he was involved in some sort of the 116 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: gambling thing where you could Wager On johnny furfey getting 117 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: at least four rebounds and then for every rebound after 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: that there was bonus. 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: Money involved. THAT'S interesting i hadn't heard. 120 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Of that, he's, LIKE yeah i get, Two hundred if he, 121 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: GETS four i get the. Extra fifty if he, gets 122 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: Five then i've got and by the end, of it so, 123 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: he's screaming and there's nothing more annoying than sitting next 124 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: to that guy because now all of a sudden he's 125 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: sweating bullets. With everything but the point of the, story here, 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: long Winded Is JOHNNY furfey i think is somebody that, 127 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: this guy, for example was putting that prop bet on 128 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: because it almost Feels like scott that's his role, right 129 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: now is to go in there and just keep. Possessions 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: alive but he has a very good knack, at It 131 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: right it could it be that that strictly is his 132 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: role that he's almost Like A jeff foster type at no. 133 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: DIFFERENT position i think it is. RIGHT now i think 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: he's going to evolve into a. LOT more i think 135 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: he's just twenty one and just starting to take off 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: and get comfortable within the pro. Game here AND so 137 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: i think the rebounding something that's, been there, The hustle, 138 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: YOU'RE right i think that is though his, current ROLE 139 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: but i think he's. Found Something the pacers have found 140 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: something as a team that just struggles as a whole 141 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: and has my entire time covering this team rebounding. 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: The, ball okay so let's get to this? 143 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: First off did you find it INTERESTING as? I, Do 144 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Scott miles turner is reportedly Somebody that milwaukee could be 145 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: interested in moving. ON from i have no idea the 146 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: validity of. That report have you heard? 147 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: THE same. 148 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: I have not heard anything On The miles turner front. 149 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: JUST yet i think it's everybody. Right now jake is 150 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: in wait and see mode from a big, fish standpoint 151 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: to see what's going to Happen. With giannis, if anything 152 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: and then there will absolutely be a trickle. 153 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: Down effect scott On The benedict. 154 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 6: MATHERING front i got Thinking, about toronto like the success 155 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 6: they've had, this year and it goes back To the 156 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 6: tree deadline. Last year they were a team that wasn't, 157 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 6: you know competing at all last year, for anything and 158 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 6: then they make the move at the deadline To Acquire 159 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 6: bradon ingram and then they. Extend him so it was 160 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 6: more of like a pre agency type. Of THING and 161 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 6: I Believe tim BONTIMS of espn said something similar along 162 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 6: the lines of that many people Expect The indiana pacers 163 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 6: to do something similar And Dangle benedict matherin. Out THERE 164 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 6: when i look at free agents specifically, at center the 165 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 6: only two names that stick out, to me and one 166 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 6: of them has been linked to just Being Available isaiah 167 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 6: hartenstein With The Oklahoma city thunder and Then nicola usovich 168 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 6: With The. Chicago bulls do either of those players make 169 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 6: any sort of sense For the pacers if either team 170 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 6: is willing To take matherin. 171 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: In, RETURN yeah i think. 172 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: More so Would, be hertenstein although he's really been battling injuries, 173 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: this year has had, limited contributions AND so i will 174 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: be curious to See What oklahoma, city decides whether it's 175 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: at the trade deadline or just wait until a. FREE 176 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: agency i think he has one more year under. His 177 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: contract but, to me his contract was kind of the 178 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 3: baseline Set For miles turner in, my opinion right right 179 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: around that twenty eight million, dollar number And ultimately miles 180 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: is getting about. Twenty five but he got four years, 181 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 3: fully guaranteed which was a year more Than the pacers 182 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: had originally offered. For HIM so i could See a 183 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: Hartenstein potentially vucevich not not nearly as much on, That 184 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: front but pre agency has become A a i think 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: that's a lot more teams have undertaken in the last probably. 186 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: Three years is one the one team the outgoing team 187 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: realizes either he's not part of what we're trying to, 188 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: do anymore or we don't have the cap space where 189 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: we're willing to pay him whatever number. He wants so 190 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: the team can, go out especially a smaller Market, In 191 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: indiana milwaukee, For, example memphis whatever that has has trouble 192 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: courting major free agents, or whatever and so if they 193 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: can get them within, team control they can maybe have their. 194 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: Bird rights that's an advantageous move going into the summer 195 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: when a player is a. 196 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: Free agent, Scott, hypothetically okay give me Give Me scott 197 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: agnes's favorite. 198 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: Lunch spot give me a spot you love. Having lunch. 199 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: Let's just go the old Staple. 200 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: With, Chipotle. 201 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: Okay Chipotle So ben matherin calls you up, And, SAYS 202 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: scott i hear You. 203 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 4: LIKE chipotle I like. Chipotle too, so. 204 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: Actually In ben, MATHERIN'S case i always forget what what 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: has Been is Ben Mather? 206 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: In haitian is? 207 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: That correct, so, yeah yeah he was Born, in canada 208 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: but He Has haitian THAT'S what. 209 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: I mean his family, is, okay YEAH so i, you. 210 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: Know okay so, he says let's Go. To chipotle so you, said, 211 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: perfect great and, he says. Sounds good How? About friday 212 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: the question Is Is ben matheren going to Be in 213 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Indianapolis on friday in order to take You To? 214 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: CHIPOTLE classic. 215 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: I think right RIGHT now i don't see anything of. 216 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: MAJOR happening a lot can change here in these forty. 217 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: EIGHT hours i think it seems more likely the move 218 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: would be for them to utilize the rest of their. 219 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: Cap space they we notably see how they have an 220 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: empty spot that's available to absorb. A contract they're about 221 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: five and a half million dollars under the. Cap space 222 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: they could utilize that to add a draft pick or 223 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: to take on a contract. For example those are the 224 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: Elements That kevin Pritchard And chad buchanan, love doing is 225 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: to take back. Those Assets, WITH matherin i think there's 226 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: there's constant conversations, with HIM but i don't think there's 227 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: a necessarily a rush because he's a restricted, free AGENT 228 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: and i think it's one of, those scenarios in, my 229 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: opinion where you don't force anything here because you can 230 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: always figure it out later. YOU can, i mean you 231 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: would have a six month window where you could not. 232 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: Trade Him but matherin's going to. Have value he could 233 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: continue to add value to. His spot and remember he's 234 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: not healthy and has not been healthy all season long 235 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: and is still competing and playing out there now through. 236 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: Two INJURIES so i think he's only going to get 237 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: better and add to his value. Moving forward but to 238 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: simply answer, YOUR question i think, right, now yes he 239 00:11:58,840 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 3: would be there, with. 240 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: Me so, You think but do you think if they 241 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: were to not move him before, the deadline are they 242 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: still actively considering a sign in trade? With him would 243 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: they would they look for sign and trade before they 244 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: would look for long. 245 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 4: TERM deal. 246 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 3: I think the number one Thing there jake would depend 247 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: on what the number, is right if it can work 248 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: within their salary. Cap frame and, RIGHT now i think 249 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: he's wanting a larger number and is expecting a. Larger 250 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: number probably twenty to twenty five million is what you're. 251 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: Looking At, josh giddy who is drafted in the same 252 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 3: spot a year, before him got twenty five million per 253 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: year for. FOUR years i think that's probably what his 254 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: hope would be with. That situation i'm not Sure the 255 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: pacers are quite there, with him because let's forecast, next 256 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: year what does the lineup look, Like, realistically jake he's 257 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: your six, MAN again, i think and maybe that probably 258 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: bothers him a. Little bit he likes more of a. 259 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: Consistent role he likes being in that, starting lineup he 260 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: likes being in the closing lineup like we saw last night, 261 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: As well AND so i think there's some things they 262 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: would have to sort. OUT there i don't assume. HE'S 263 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 3: gone i don't. THINK that i think that's a dangerous 264 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: game to. GET into i Think the pacers have several, 265 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: options here and that's why you have to plan one 266 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: and two three. YEARS out i think the biggest out 267 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: underlying factor in all this is the, salary cap the, 268 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: luxury tax and what it looks like this. 269 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: Upcoming year pacers and jazz tonight at The. Field house 270 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: all the Coverage field house Files From scott agnes. 271 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 4: As well scott appreciate the time. 272 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: As always you gotta, Thank, You Jake scott agnes joining 273 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: us On The Java house Peel And Poor. Guest, line 274 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: yes we have put Temporarily Our seattle boston music theme 275 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: for the show on hold in order to of Course, 276 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: play elvis which is a must anytime our next guest joins. The, 277 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: program he, of course when he took, the job came on, 278 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: with us has been on a couple of Times since 279 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: i'm talking about the head back basketball Coach At. Marion 280 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: university and then, last Night as, i'd mentioned got Word 281 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: That pat knight would resign. That position he joins us 282 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: now On The java House ap Peel And Poor. Guest, 283 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: LINE pat i know last night when we, talked you, 284 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: you know the word had just come out that you 285 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: were going to end your Tenure. At marion where do 286 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: things stand now in terms of whether or not that 287 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: has taken place or you have had, that conversation. 288 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: Et, cetera well there's. 289 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 5: NO conversation, i MEAN it's, i mean how the meeting 290 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 5: ended yesterday during the day is pretty OBVIOUS that, i 291 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 5: quit so and is my usual. COLORFUL self i let 292 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 5: it be known and there is there should have been 293 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 5: no question. About it SO it's, i mean it was 294 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 5: done after during the meeting, when they, you know want 295 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 5: me to fire my assistant coach at the end of, 296 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: the season and refuse to do it and keep harping, 297 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 5: on it harping, on it and then you understand and 298 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 5: people's true colors, come out some red flags, come out and, 299 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 5: it's like as, a coach this is won't. End good 300 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 5: AND so i. Just quit then, You know i'm Not 301 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: gonna i'm the. Head coach i'm not gonna fire. My 302 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 5: assistant and that, did nothing and so it was, done immediately, 303 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: you KNOW when i left. That meeting now THEY thought 304 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 5: i wasn't serious what but obviously they know now because 305 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 5: You know i've released it To the median stuff and uh, but, 306 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 5: yeah no it stands. The same i'm uh done coaching 307 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 5: and uh THERE and i. Just refuse i'm not going 308 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 5: to fire one of, my assistants and no one really 309 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 5: knows that they fired my part. Time guy, just uh 310 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 5: that makes ten thousand dollars. Lives AWAY and i don't 311 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: know if they're upset because he went down at the, 312 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: games wherever but we just talked to him on the 313 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 5: phone and emails, and stuff and they just told him 314 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 5: he was off the payroll without, you know. Consulting me and, 315 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 5: you know so when when then administrations for all the coaches, 316 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 5: out there, trust me if they start messing with, your 317 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 5: staff START questioning x and o's and players when they 318 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 5: never go to practice or, are involved it is it 319 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 5: is a major. 320 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: Red, flag okay so let's go back. 321 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: To this, YOU know i know obviously for, the season 322 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: the season wasn't Going as i'm sure you would have hoped. 323 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: Or LIKED and i don't Mean to i'm just going. 324 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Off record maybe you looked at it, and, said no 325 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: we were actually, you know starting to. Develop something, you 326 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: know so correct Me if i'm. Wrong there but you 327 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: had had a disappointing Loss, at goshen you had been 328 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: ejected from, that game and then, after that seemingly is 329 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: when this meeting took place and everything came to. A 330 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: head so take me back kind of through what like 331 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: the last week looked like and how this all. Eventually 332 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: combusted well what happens is, SO no i get thrown 333 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: out of the game for, you know, first half and 334 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: the problem was after the game It, was mayhem, you 335 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: know take away the. 336 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 5: Referee it, YOU know i got my WIFE and i 337 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: got confronted. By fans the stuff that was, Being, said 338 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 5: well a fight broke out during the. Handshake line, You 339 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 5: know i'm not out there, and everything and so, you 340 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 5: know and the other schools, talking about, you know we're 341 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 5: gonna send this commissioner and we're like, do it, you 342 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 5: know cause we had a bunch of people to back, 343 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 5: everything up and that. NO security I mean i had 344 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: parents that were scared for, their lives, you know coming 345 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 5: back hide in the. Locker room had one father that 346 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 5: had to step in because fans started coming in trying 347 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 5: to get to our players. And stuff It. Was Mayham 348 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 5: but i'm. Not there. I'm out i'm in, the back, 349 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 5: you know on, the phone, you Know because i'm not allowed. 350 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: Out there my wife comes in scared, to death and 351 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 5: like we got to get out. Of here we got 352 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 5: to this place is out. Of control and so It. 353 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 5: Was mayham so finally we're able to they're able to clear, 354 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 5: everything out get to the bus and so the whole. 355 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 5: Deal IS so i go in yesterday and there was 356 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 5: no big deal, about me uh getting. The technos, You 357 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 5: know i'm suspended for the. Next game but Now my 358 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 5: assistan's supposed to. Take Over and, i'm told, you know 359 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 5: your assistant coach cannot coach. The game you need to. 360 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 5: Fire him at the end of, the year he lost, 361 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: total control putting the blame on him really for what 362 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 5: happened with the mayhem and stuff and talking about, video this. 363 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 5: Pictures this then we find out no one's even seeing 364 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 5: the videos. Or pictures no one's talked to, our, side parents, my. 365 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 5: WIFE anybody, i mean just, you know you don't pin 366 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: that on somebody won his fault and uh so that's 367 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 5: what really. Upset me but then comes out the. True, 368 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 5: stuff well you guys are the only one. You know 369 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 5: i'll talk about your record and this. And that that's 370 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: what it comes, down to. You KNOW so i. Get 371 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 5: it if, we would if we had a, good record 372 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 5: nothing would have, been set. You Know but i'm not 373 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: gonna let my assistant get pinned for something and you 374 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 5: haven't investigated or watched video or or seen the pictures 375 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: and stuff and interviewed, our people like, you know my. 376 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 5: Wife's UPSET she, i mean they won't a great experience 377 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 5: FOR herban i, was talking. You know so, it's like, 378 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 5: YOU know i don't need, the bs, you Know and 379 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 5: i'm not going to fire a guy that didn't. Do 380 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 5: anything and then my guys actually went over and, discussed 381 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 5: it and now he's going to. Coach tomorrow so that's 382 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 5: how that's how. IT happened, i, mean SO but i 383 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 5: don't need that stuff in. My life, you know, too 384 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 5: old and it's just too many red flags from A, 385 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 5: coaching standboy it's not going to, end well you KNOW 386 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 5: when i don't feel there's. Any Support uh so THAT'S why. 387 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: I quit your assistant coach who is now the interim 388 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: head Coach Is, todd howard who of course was a 389 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: head COACH AT. I. E p y came up through 390 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: the Ranks at louisville his coach to the high. 391 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: School. 392 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: AREA uh i know him on a, personal, level admittedly 393 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: pat not on a. Basketball level on a, PERSONAL level 394 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: I Know todd howard as being a very kind and 395 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: loyal guy to be honest with you FROM what i, 396 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: Know now i'm not, IN practices i don't know His 397 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Ex'es and. 398 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 4: O's right. 399 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: What what is YOUR overall i guess what would you 400 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: Say About todd howard now as he takes over the 401 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: interim position from the one that. 402 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: You Vacated. 403 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 5: Just, Win MAN just, i mean he, came in he 404 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 5: came and saw me, last night, you know and he's 405 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: and YOU know i told him coach. These kids, you 406 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 5: know it's not the kids fault. To shoot we love, our, 407 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 5: kids man and coach. Them up and they'll allow you, 408 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 5: to coach, you know but you know they want me 409 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: to fire you at the end of. The season so, 410 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 5: but coach, you know if they allow you, to coach, 411 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 5: you know coach rest of. THE year, i mean because 412 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 5: you know he's worried about you don't want Me dismoiled 413 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: and that has nothing to do. WITH it, i mean 414 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 5: this is totally. My decision, and uh when you when 415 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 5: you tell me to fire a guy and you already 416 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 5: fired my part time guy that didn't do anything fun 417 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 5: and you want me to fire a guy that Best 418 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: assistant i've ever seen man works his butt off everything and, 419 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 5: you know that's not how, this OPERATES and i don't, 420 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 5: need it and you know it's not, you know it's 421 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 5: almost a guy in like this. High school let's listen 422 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 5: to everybody whether this person says that, person said, you 423 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 5: know it's not it's just changed. Too much and, SO 424 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 5: yeah i got. No problem just quit on, THE spot, 425 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 5: i mean, you know and they think you're going to 426 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 5: just bow, down, Like yeah i'll. Do that and some guys, 427 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: do that, you know change their staff, and everything, and no. 428 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 5: Not me, you know a. Falm SWORD so. 429 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: I quit pat, You Obviously pat knight is My Guest 430 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: Java house peel and. 431 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: Poor. 432 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: Guest line, you know you have been around basketball your, 433 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: whole life and your father had a very, close relationship 434 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: at least from the outside looking, at It With, Steve 435 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: Downing steve downing who had played, For Him steve downing 436 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: who was on your Father's first final, four team who 437 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: went with your Dad To texas tech and ultimately became 438 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: the athletic Director. 439 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: At MARION and. 440 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: I would assume is the one, that you along with 441 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the staff perhaps of, the university that this all would. 442 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: Down with what does it do with your Relationship to 443 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: Steve with steve downing and did it make? 444 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 5: It uncomfortable, UH no I mean i understand he's, an 445 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 5: administrator so and he really became an. Administrator then but, 446 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 5: you know it is what. It is, YOU know i 447 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 5: stood up AND what. I believe, you KNOW am? I, 448 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 5: disappointed yeah but he can say. He's disappointed. You, know 449 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: hey there's no level. OFF there i still. Love him it's, 450 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 5: it's business but that doesn't CHANGE how i think. ABOUT it, 451 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 5: i look, you know someone tells me. THAT stuff i 452 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 5: don't care who. YOU are, i mean it's. Not that 453 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 5: that's not how. This works and uh, so yeah it's 454 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 5: an odd situation of being but it's part. Of it, 455 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 5: you know when you get the jobs you everything had come. To, 456 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 5: that no but when, it does that doesn't make, it 457 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 5: okay you know in. My mind, So yeah i'm not. 458 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 5: Really concerned. You, KNOW uh i still. Love them, you, 459 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 5: KNOW shit I love, I mean i'm sorry. ABOUT that I. 460 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: LOVE uh, i mean where's? 461 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: YOUR notepad. 462 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 5: I? Love mary, you know uh The president elsner and 463 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 5: UH our ceo FOR it's, i, Mean, shit god. Dang it. I'm. 464 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 5: Sorry uh it's a, great place, you KNOW but i 465 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: got to staying UP where i. Believe in, YOU know 466 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 5: i wasn't playing. On it, YOU know i started to, 467 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 5: go in get my slamp on the wrists suspension and 468 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 5: uh go along, with it and, you know had a 469 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 5: good recruit class come in and get after it. Next 470 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: YEAR but i refuse when administration starts getting involved in 471 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 5: the basketball aspect, of it that that is a red 472 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 5: flag for. 473 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: Any coach was That a i'll use the TERM Pat 474 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: ptsd in, other words you've had experience with this before, 475 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: with administration and you know you can go back to 476 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: the way it ended with your Father in indiana and 477 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: when you were on the, staff there did those things 478 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: creep into? Your mind did you start to hear those 479 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: things that reminded you of other things you've been involved 480 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: with that you didn't want to go. 481 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 4: Back to. 482 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 5: Oh definitely THAT'S why i was. Like done and then, 483 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 5: you know my poor assistant he, kept caught, come back just, 484 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 5: come back, you know come. Back tomorrow you KNOW they 485 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 5: i don't think they don't believe that you really meant it. 486 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 5: COME out i, was like those are. Red flags, trust, 487 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 5: ME right i know where this. Ends up these are. 488 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 5: Red flags. I'm done and THAT'S why i made the 489 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: Announcement last night to. Some people so it's out there 490 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 5: like there's no, you know going back and, uh yeah 491 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 5: it is like he, asked, you like, whoa, WAIT oh 492 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 5: i know where this. Is, going okay show you. True, colors, 493 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 5: yeah okay here. We. 494 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: Go pat from a, coaching standpoint the reality Is Is 495 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: pat night my guest On The jaba house peeling poor, 496 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: guest line, You Know and i'll go back And Maybe i'm, 497 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: i'm jeopardizing, you know professional. OBJECTIVITY here i. Don't know 498 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: but for those that, DON'T know i think. Most do, 499 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: YOU know i knew you. In college we were neighbors, 500 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: in college and you were, you know you were a 501 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: guy with all of our group of friends that was just, 502 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: laid back loyal to all, of us for certainly loyal 503 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: to all. Of us and, you know growing Up in 504 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: indiana and knowing the giant That Was, bob knight it 505 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: was surreal for me from a friend's standpoint at times 506 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: to kind of step back and, be, like Man That's bob. 507 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Knight's kid, YOU know i, mean it because you weren't 508 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: that after, a, While right it was just you Were, 509 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: just pat like part of. 510 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 4: The group and so with that from a, coaching. 511 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: WORLD standpoint i know that being the Son Of bob 512 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: knight afforded, you opportunities but did it also make coaching 513 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: that much more challenging? For you and how did you 514 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: handle all of the pressure and maybe unfair expectation that 515 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: comes with being the son of one of the basketball's. 516 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 5: Greatest, minds yeah you know it's a negative and a 517 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 5: positive positive opened, up doors but then. A negative it's 518 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 5: like people can't separate, the two, You know and, You 519 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 5: know i'm just, you know fight for my, life man, 520 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 5: You know and but they can't. Separate too so if you, do, 521 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 5: something oh he's just like his dad or why didn't 522 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 5: you know his dad would? Do this and that's the 523 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 5: and that's any kid that follows. HIS dad i don't 524 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 5: care if it's, a business, you, know shooting if you have, 525 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 5: a son he falls and to the, media business, you 526 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: know he's gonna be as good as you've done and be. 527 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: Uh compared, you know the smartest thing would. Have done 528 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 5: i'd have never gotten, into coaching but and he didn't 529 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 5: even have to worry. About that but YOU know i 530 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 5: wanted to. Do it love basketball and it's just part. 531 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 5: Of it, and yeah it it wears, you out, you 532 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 5: know but it wore my dad out Just Being. BOB 533 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 5: knight i mean that was even worse Than Being bob. 534 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 5: KNIGHT'S son i mean he had, you know when you're. 535 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 5: A legend i saw how it wore him out just 536 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 5: being who. He was and so. It's tough it's a 537 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 5: it's a tough profession. All, around uh no matter what 538 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: your last, name is. You, know so, but yeah it, 539 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 5: was tough but you just you kind of, ignore it 540 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: but you have to admit that it wears. You down 541 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 5: and and it's always a relief if you can quit 542 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 5: on your own terms or you. Get fired any coach 543 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 5: will tell you it's actually, A, relief uh to get out. 544 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 4: Of there do you feel? Relieved? Today oh? 545 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 5: My god callt RELIEF when i SAID what i did 546 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 5: and walked out. 547 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 4: The door. 548 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 5: When you can tell people what you think and quit 549 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 5: on your, own terms. 550 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable do you believe that you when you say your? 551 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: Own terms do you believe that you've written it out 552 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: that it would have been on? Their terms do you 553 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: think you would have made it to? 554 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 4: Next? 555 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 5: Year, oh, yeah no they wanted me, to STAY but 556 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 5: i had. A fire i had. To fire you know you. 557 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 5: Can win we know you, can win but you got 558 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 5: to fire your assistant and and uh so, YOU know, 559 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 5: i mean the whole, deal, was oh, you know it's 560 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 5: going to, take you uh to a. Tree years get. 561 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 5: Your player it's the, same everywhere two or. Three years get. Your, 562 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 5: players yeah they tell. You that but then you know 563 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 5: things aren't, going well, you know and there's. Stuff said 564 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 5: you know they'll pop off out. Of, record well guys before, 565 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 5: you know they won fifteen games. For end, it's, like, oh, okay, here, 566 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 5: COME okay i know where this. Is going you know there's. No, 567 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 5: more hey get guys, in here, develop them blah. Blah blah, 568 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 5: you know it's an instant. Coffee SOCIETY and i was 569 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: hoping you get down a. Lower level you know it's, 570 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: not there but now it's. It's everywhere and so that's why, 571 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 5: YOU know i had. NO problem, i mean it was 572 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 5: a RELIEF when i walked out. 573 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 4: That door do you think you'll agat? Coach someday or is? 574 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 5: This? No no please please just come. Not going there's 575 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 5: NO way I should i shouldn't have, done it but. 576 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 5: IT'S great i got Back, to indianapolis, back home and 577 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: it's good for my WIFE and i gave it one, 578 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 5: more TRY and i feel. At peace, you know it's, 579 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 5: just uh it's passed me by from a, coach standpoint 580 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 5: just the personalities and it's a, different ballgame. You know, 581 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: So yeah i'm. At peace. I'm good, BUT no i, 582 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: you know hopefully get back INTO the nba scouting ON 583 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 5: which i left and probably dumb for, doing it, but 584 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 5: uh living a, great Location, being indie your, century located 585 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 5: go cover many games, and so and THAT'S why i 586 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: wanted to, DO anyway i only wanted to do this 587 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 5: for four or. Five years get, it going let my 588 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 5: assistant take over and can get back INTO the nba 589 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 5: scouting and so that's what, YOU know i would like, 590 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 5: to do get back INTO the nba scouting deal for 591 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 5: next season and get back. 592 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: To that Having coached pat and looking back at your, 593 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: Coaching Career, pat night, my guest you know you. Had 594 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: success you know you went TO The ncaa Tournament. With 595 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: lamar you had failure at places through both of. Those 596 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: things what did coaching and doing it your self teach 597 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: you about your father that you never realized as a, 598 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: YOUNGER man. 599 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 5: I mean to be as successful as, He, WAS uh, 600 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 5: i mean it's amazing to keep it going, that long, 601 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 5: you know and people, took it, you know took it, 602 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 5: for granted, you know making all those forget about the 603 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 5: three national championships that's unheard of to, begin with just 604 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 5: but making it TO the, nca tournament all those, straight 605 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 5: years winning all those big ten CHAMPIONS and, i mean 606 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 5: just going through that pressure and to keep the, energy up, 607 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 5: you KNOW because i mean you're dealing, with kids, you 608 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 5: know you got every day you gotta, you know, push 609 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 5: him pull, them along yell, at him talk. TO him, 610 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 5: i mean it. Is draining and to do it for all, 611 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 5: Those YEARS like, I remember i thought he should have retire, 612 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 5: years before but he still got after it and, the 613 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 5: energy and guys would, be like, you know the younger 614 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 5: guys like, brass season, you know how long has your 615 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 5: dad been? Doing IT and i, tell him oh, MY 616 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 5: gosh i don't want to be doing it. That long 617 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 5: how's he got? The energy and it's amazing that even when, 618 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 5: HE retired, i mean he could have. KEPT going i 619 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 5: mean just the energy and just the work ethic and just, 620 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: the grind just wanting to, do it, do it. Do 621 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 5: IT and I actually i think that's what. You know 622 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 5: you see a lot of these coaches now that have 623 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 5: been Affected. BY alzheimer's i think a lot could be 624 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 5: said for the grind and how the stress you put 625 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 5: on yourself mentally just to keep it going like that 626 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 5: has caused a lot of. Those problems and. 627 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: The, Constant, HONESTLY pat i mean. This sincerely, you know 628 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: we don't Know, with, alzheimer's right it's an, unknown frontier but, 629 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the constant, the brain constantly having to go twenty three 630 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: and a half hours, a, day, right. 631 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 5: Go, go go and it's just like. It's, AMAZING yeah 632 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 5: i mean he, was amazing, you know being around him 633 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 5: and then and then hey, let's go let's go hunting for? 634 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 5: Three hours what we Just? Watched tate can we take? 635 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 5: A break, i mean he was just and it wasn't just. 636 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 5: THE basketball i mean he, was, go, GO go i. 637 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 5: Mean CONSTANTLY and i think maybe the Brain Because brad 638 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 5: STEVENS and i have talked, about it because, you know 639 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 5: he's involved With the alzheimer's deal because his father in 640 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 5: law and we we were talking ABOUT when i was 641 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 5: scouting about there's got to be something with. These coaches 642 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 5: it's like almost the brain just gets fried just from the, 643 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 5: constant go the, constant pressure the constant, you know there's just. 644 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: No rest what did it teach you? About you not about, 645 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: your dad? But coach what did what did Coaching Teach? 646 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Pat Knight About? 647 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 4: Pat KNIGHT. 648 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 5: Just i think he, taught me you. KNOW that I 649 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 5: think i've helped. SOME kids I think i think if 650 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 5: you talk MOST guys i, coached that, YOU know i 651 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 5: helped him along. The way and the one just a, 652 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 5: basketball standpoint trying to like my, dad did try to 653 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 5: make him in. A man, YOU know i stretched with 654 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 5: the team. This year, you know this isn't just about 655 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 5: the one loss on. The court this is you got 656 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 5: to deal in real. Life society, you know you get out, 657 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 5: of here you, screw up you lose. Your job, you, 658 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 5: know well what are you going? To? Do then can you? 659 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 5: Handle it you can't have mommy and daddy write, a letter, 660 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 5: you know like these kids who now in college or, 661 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 5: high school you know it's ads and stuff complaining about this. 662 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 5: AND that, i mean you got to. Grow up, you 663 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 5: know this. Is college you got to. Grow UP and 664 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 5: I think i've been able to help some kids. That way, 665 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 5: YOU know i never got an interested in the, record stuff, 666 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 5: you KNOW because i wanted. MY day i wanted my 667 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 5: dad never pretended to be AND all i. EVERYONE day 668 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 5: i made it to an, nca tournament THE n i 669 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 5: T and I think i was able to help some. 670 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 5: Kids along You know. I'VE been i still hear from 671 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 5: some guys thanking me FOR everything i, taught them and. 672 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 5: That's me that's what coaching. Is about THAT'S why i 673 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 5: got back. IN it i think i've even though the 674 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 5: one is this year and. A half I think i 675 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: helped some KIDS when i, was married and that's the. Best. 676 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: Part, Pat Lastly pat night is, my guest the now 677 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: former head basketball Coach, at marion, also coached, of Course 678 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: At texas Tech. 679 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 4: And lamar also IN. 680 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: THE nba I Guess g league would have been known 681 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: as now BUT, THE cba i guess is where You're, in, 682 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: wisconsin right was IT The cba league, then yeah. 683 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 5: It'll be the they combined the. TWO leagues i WAS 684 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 5: IN iba cba INTO The. G, League. 685 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 4: Okay, So, so pat you grew up Obviously. IN bloomington 686 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 4: i mean everyone. Knows. 687 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: That OKAY if i would have stopped you at the 688 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: age of seventeen, or eighteen which would have been a 689 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: more unlikely thing for you to envision that you would 690 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: someday take over a Big time power five college basketball 691 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: program for your dad as a, head coach Or That 692 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: indiana university would be the home of the College football 693 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: National champions oh. 694 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 5: THE football, i mean like if we were talking at 695 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 5: my dad would be. SO jack i mean we talked 696 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 5: to he Loved Like, lee corso You Know. BILL mallory 697 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 5: i mean he begged him not to get rid Of 698 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 5: coach malleck because he's really the, only guy, you know 699 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 5: to sustain. The success and there's no way we talked about. 700 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 5: My dad you always show. Him out, he's, like man 701 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 5: whoever's a, Coach here you're not going to Out Recruit 702 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 5: ohio State. IN michigan, i mean this is not going 703 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 5: to happen In. The midwest but that's what's. So great, 704 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 5: you know people, Complain, about yeah there are problems, with 705 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 5: it but the portal and nil made it an even 706 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 5: playing field and it was. SO cool i never never 707 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: would put money. ON that, i mean that was that 708 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 5: was a really cool thing for anybody not just grew 709 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 5: Up in bloomington and Went. To INDIANA but i think 710 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 5: it was just cool for anybody that lives In The 711 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 5: united states to see. 712 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 4: That happening, you know were you rooting? 713 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: For THEM because i know that you have a fractured 714 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: Relationship With indiana university at, The end who? 715 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 4: Did you i'm assuming JUST but i know that you. 716 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: Went back but you know because of the way that 717 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: things went down with your dad from a. 718 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 4: Coaching standpoint, oh. 719 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah but those people, are gone. YOU know, I Mean 720 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 5: scott dolson. Babysat. Me man, you know, Come on i'm 721 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 5: not going to Root Again, scott dolson, you know and. 722 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 5: Everybody's gone you know how, it is you're. Younger stuff when, it, 723 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 5: happens yeah you're Gonna have you're gonna be upset and not. 724 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 5: Like it, but, no, No shoot i'm way. Past. THAT 725 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 5: no i root for coach. TO breathe i mean the. 726 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: FOOTBALL team i want him to. DO well, I mean 727 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 5: i love in, THE end i, YOU know i don't 728 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 5: go down there because a lot, You know i'll go 729 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 5: down to my mom and. My stepmom but the problem 730 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 5: for me is it's NOT that i Don't. Like blueton 731 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 5: everyone Still thinks i'm that fifteen year old. Hell rage, 732 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 5: you know people bring up Well back, I'm like i'm 733 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 5: fifty five. Years old, BUT yes i did some, stupid 734 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 5: THINGS but i didn't do. It yesterday cut me. A 735 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 5: break SO when i go, DOWN there i like to 736 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 5: visit quickly and get. Back out, BUT no i, YOU 737 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 5: know i root, for him, and uh, you Know like 738 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 5: i'm going Back down monday For the oregon game because 739 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 5: they're honoring the seventy Sixteen and quinn and those guys 740 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 5: asked if i'd come down just to represent. My dad, 741 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 5: SO yeah, I mean i'd do Anything for indiana and got. 742 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 5: No PROBLEM and. I was i root for the, basketball 743 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 5: team the, WOMEN'S basketball i. MEAN football i mean that's 744 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 5: way way in. 745 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: The past by, The Way scott dolson babysat you and 746 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: you were you were nineteen at, the, time right isn't 747 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: that RIGHT when i. Was, Nineteen, No no, I'm saying, 748 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: i'm joking saying when you, Were There scott dolson probably 749 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: still was keeping you on the straight. 750 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 5: And, Arrow, RIGHT yeah i, WAS twelve i WAS probably i, don't, know, thirteen, 751 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 5: twelve thirteen and he's and he won the only one 752 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 5: that that. Was problem it was probably the main problem 753 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 5: being a manager for. My dad you got stuck taking 754 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 5: care of me down, the road, YOU know, i mean 755 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 5: how would you like to be? A manager you got 756 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 5: to put up with my dad's. Be, at oh by, 757 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 5: the way you got a room with his messed, Up, 758 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 5: Son pat so. 759 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 4: Do you have to know all the? Guys? 760 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 5: Right, all yeah the managers, were great so, you KNOW 761 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 5: but i Put, them, YEAH yeah i put him through. A, Ringer. 762 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 4: WELL pat i appreciate. 763 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: The time as we get closer as, the pacers we'll 764 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: see what happens with the pacer season and where you 765 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: end up from a. Scouting standpoint but love to have 766 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: you back on maybe break down some pacer stuff, as 767 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: WELL because i know you know. 768 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 4: That roster, WELL. 769 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 5: Yeah I mean i had been on it, so LONG 770 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 5: so i, was like WHAT can? I DO and i, 771 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 5: was like you, Know what i'm just gonna quit and 772 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 5: Then maybe jake. 773 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 4: Will have me off there. 774 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: You go, All, right well Congratulations only. Swart twice we, 775 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it, all. Right guys, All right pat night joining 776 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: us on The, program seattle the Home Of Jimmy Hendricks 777 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: Seahawks super bowl taking On The New. England patriots by, The, 778 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: way jake do you think that because the PACER's injury 779 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: port came. 780 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 4: Out first do you think you tah saw. 781 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 2: Them like hold? 782 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 4: My, beer yes hold. My beer you want to try to? Tank, 783 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 4: off well we got. 784 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: YOUR beat, i, mean honestly, you know the probably the 785 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: charter Flight, FROM utah i realized that these guys would 786 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: have been on the. Trip already but, you know if 787 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: you've ever been on a plane where, they're like we 788 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: need you to move over to this side because we're 789 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: trying to balance. 790 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 4: The, weight. 791 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah it feels like they're going to have to do 792 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: that on the if not the plane on the bench 793 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: because both teams tonight going deep into the reserve tank 794 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: as it is going to BE A g league matchup 795 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: tonight At. The Fieldhouse but i'll be, there nonetheless and 796 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: we will talk about a. 797 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 4: Plenty tomorrow. 798 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: Joining us now to talk About The, super Bowl the 799 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: Hall of, fame vote And the Colts is STEPHENHOLDER of Espn. 800 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: Dot com STEVE and i will begin. With, this theoretically 801 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: this is the time of year where things simmer down 802 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: a little bit in terms, of discussion BUT, the nfl 803 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: there is really no off Week For. Colts news is that? 804 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: The case are they're ALWAYS or i, should say are there? 805 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: Always things that are kind, of percolating and, if so 806 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: what would. 807 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 5: It be. 808 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 2: It is pretty quiet, for them by, the way before we, 809 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: get going, you know the thing that THIS this nba 810 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 2: season is teaching me is that thinking. Is hard. 811 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 5: It. 812 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 2: Really is, YOU know i Thought the pacers would be better, 813 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 2: at this, But. 814 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: Whatever stephen here's, the THING and i thought about this 815 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: last NIGHT as i was watching. The game, YOU know 816 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: i think That the pacers have done a good job 817 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: of tinkering with lineup depth at, times too, you know 818 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: to quote. 819 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 4: Unquote tank but they have a, good roster and that's. 820 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: The thing when, they're healthy it's hard to put five scrubs, 821 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: out there you KNOW what i mean. 822 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, it's, like, hey guys you, SHOULD sure, i mean. 823 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 2: It can't it's actually pretty good. 824 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 4: They are it. 825 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: Gives you some optimism for just how good they could 826 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: and will be, once, AGAIN. 827 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 2: Right, I agree, I agree, BUT anyway i just that 828 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 2: was just. My observation it's like man getting the number. 829 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 2: One pick it's a lot harder than, you realize. You know, 830 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 2: but Anyway colts so it's actually. PRETTY quiet i will 831 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 2: say this is not always, the case even when no 832 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 2: one at the top. Gets fired that's not always. The 833 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 2: case you oftentimes will have movement within, the staff you 834 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: will have other. Machinations happening we don't have a lot. 835 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 2: Of that, you know there's always there's always something going 836 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 2: on IN. THE nfl, i mean, you know you LOOK 837 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: at i See Today brandon bean is making news again 838 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: because he's talking and he can't. Help himself. For example 839 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: we haven't gotten anything like that lately With, the colts 840 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 2: and it is in some ways that's a, good, THING right, 841 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 2: i mean you don't want to make news just for 842 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: the sake of, making news so it's going to be quiet. 843 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: FOR them i haven't heard a lot about. Staff moves 844 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: they will need to make a move at defensive. Line 845 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 2: coach there could be another mover two not, sure YET 846 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 2: but i think those are, you know definitely like secondary 847 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: or second tear third tear moves in terms of importance 848 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 2: in the. 849 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: Grand scheme, you know one of THE things i, Thought, 850 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: about Steven and i'm curious your thought on this the 851 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: as we Discussed the Hall, of FAME and i have 852 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: a lot of questions, about this right but one of 853 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: THE questions i had Was As robert kraft's eligibility has. 854 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: Been discussed that Means That robert kraft is a nominee 855 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: For the Hall. Of FAME and i don't. Know this 856 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: i'm going to plead ignorant. To this you can. Illuminate 857 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: me Is is Jim? Or Say has Jim or say 858 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: in the past? Been nominated and what is the criteria 859 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: for an owner to? 860 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 4: Be nominated. 861 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 2: So off the top of, MY head i do not 862 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 2: know if he's. BEEN nominated i my guess is someone 863 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 2: has probably broached his name at. Some POINT but i 864 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 2: say That admitting i'm not one hundred. Percent, sure NOW 865 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 2: what i can tell you is that he's not emerged 866 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 2: as as a semi semi finalist or FINALIST that i, 867 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 2: can recall certainly not in my time. Around HERE so 868 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: i don't think there's ever really been any real Momentum For. 869 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 2: Jim ersay could that change in the years? TO come i. 870 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 2: Think so but but it's also a really complicated deal, with, 871 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 2: HIM right, I mean i think that people Outside of 872 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 2: indianapolis have a very mixed View Of. JIM mersey i 873 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 2: think People in Indianapolis or colts fans probably or definitely 874 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 2: embrace him a lot more and understand the complexity of, the, 875 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 2: MAN right, I mean i think, that's fair BUT but 876 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 2: i do Think it's it would be a very it 877 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 2: would very it would be a very. INTERESTING conversation i 878 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,760 Speaker 2: would be intrigued to hear the Debate About. JIM mersey 879 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 2: i don't know that he ever. GETS in i would 880 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: certainly not bet. On it but is there a conversation 881 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 2: that we? HAD probably, i mean you think about what 882 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 2: this franchise, was before, you know before he became full, 883 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 2: time owner and what it became largely thanks to some. 884 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: Key, players WELL and i would say the same Though 885 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: In robert, craft's, case yeah, you know it's kind of the. Same, Thing, 886 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: NOW craft i think gets a lot of credit because 887 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: he will. Get, in yeah, And Well robert craft was 888 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: key in helping negotiate and end a player lockout or whatever, it, 889 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 1: was right He And, jeff saturday, you Know the. Kumbayo 890 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: moment But in, ersay's, case yes he had the advantage 891 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: Of Having peyton manning And Then. Andrew LOCKE but i 892 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: do Think that ersay is has two things going. For 893 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: Him and steven you tell me if this is me 894 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: speaking from inside the snow globe before, Sixty, five OKAY 895 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: he i think was seen as a fan friendly owner, 896 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: that was aside from his, personal demons that allowed his 897 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: franchise to be an integral and important part philanthropically of. 898 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: His community and in addition, to that he was the 899 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: owner in his later years that was not afraid to 900 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: be the owner's spokesperson in areas that others might not 901 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: have wanted to. Go Towards Allah daniel, snyder notably he 902 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: should probably have his own wing and also a statue 903 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: the size of the dome out front Of The Pro 904 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: football Hall of fame just for allowing us to never 905 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: have to listen Again To. 906 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 4: Daniel. Snyder right let me, TELL you i. 907 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 2: Don't think america truly understands the Depths Of jim earth's 908 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 2: Hatred For. DAN snye i had many conversations with him 909 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 2: about it because what ended up happening towards the End of. 910 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 2: Snyder's tenure not to get off, the subject but this 911 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 2: is just funny, to me uh and. Worth sharing SO 912 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 2: because i Covered the colts and and there was always 913 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 2: there would always be these news developments About the commanders 914 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 2: and the ownership, situation there and WE at espn would 915 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 2: often need someone with authority to speak, on it and 916 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 2: so they would invariably call me and they'd, be like 917 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 2: do You Think ji mercy? Would Comment and i'd, be, 918 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 2: like oh he will. Definitely comment And so i'd call 919 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 2: him all the time and he'd called back and he 920 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 2: would just Like Murder dan snyder and it was like it. 921 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 2: Was AMAZING and i would send the quotes in and 922 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 2: they'd be like he said this on, the record and, 923 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 2: like yeah and it was just IT was i just 924 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 2: think that he felt like this guy Disrespected. The shield and, 925 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 2: YOU know i don't think there was any, think specific 926 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 2: NOT that i, know of. AT least i just Feel 927 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 2: Like jim mersey was raised to believe LIKE the nfl 928 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 2: is sacred. And granted like, you know He had we 929 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 2: talked about. His demons This is we're not gonna pretend 930 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 2: that he didn't. Have those they. Definitely EXISTED but i 931 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 2: do not think he saw himself as TARNISHING the nfl 932 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: in the Way That dan. Snyder did his were sort of. 933 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 2: Personal Demons dan, snyder was your conduct is. Just IT 934 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 2: it i think shed a negative light on, and everybody 935 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 2: you Know what, i'm saying everybody associated with, the league 936 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 2: and it reinforced a lot, of stereotypes the old boys 937 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 2: club and all, that STUFF and i think he, hated 938 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 2: THAT and i Just think ersa was really he treated 939 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 2: that as, very sacred, you KNOW. The nfl he was 940 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 2: an OLD school, nfl owner, you know back, you know 941 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 2: thinking back to Like the mara family And The kansas 942 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: city ownership and things. Like that, you know he seems 943 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 2: himself as part of that sort. 944 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 5: Of. 945 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,439 Speaker 2: Era right, SO anyway i don't know if that makes 946 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 2: a lot, of SENSE but i think that was a 947 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 2: big part. Of it, but anyhow going back to, the 948 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,240 Speaker 2: original the origin of, THIS conversation i would, SAY though 949 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 2: i do think he had a huge impact on SHAPING 950 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 2: the nfl as we see. IT today i just think 951 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 2: people don't know it as much because he wasn't maybe 952 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 2: as talkative about it as Say Of. Jerry jones but he. 953 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 2: Was Influential jim mercy was very influential in those rooms 954 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 2: and on those committees and the ones that mattered. The 955 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 2: MOST and i do think people in the know Understand. 956 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,959 Speaker 1: That stephen one week from, right now there will be 957 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: how many soon to be inductees Into The Pro football 958 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: Hall of fame With The indianapolis colts on their resume 959 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: that they played for. 960 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 2: All right try me one. MORE time I think i lost. 961 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: You there well a week, FROM today, I mean Ari And, 962 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: reggie wayne how many of those guys are going to 963 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: get their name called For the Hall. 964 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 4: Of FAME so. 965 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 2: I THINK it's i think it's a maximum, of one And. 966 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 2: AND vinitary i have to look at the list one 967 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 2: more time and try to, handicap THIS but I think 968 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 2: venitary is less of a. SURE thing i Don't think 969 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 2: reggie's going to. GET in i. Just DON'T and i 970 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 2: don't say that with. ANY joy i, hate IT and 971 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 2: I count reggie as a as, a FRIEND but i 972 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 2: don't think he's going to. Get in it's just been 973 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 2: the history there tells us that. HE won't i, MEAN 974 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 2: he i don't know that he has gotten enough of 975 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 2: enough to vote tally to suggest that it's going. To 976 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 2: change i'm talking in, the, past right in. PAST ballots 977 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 2: i don't think his the final. BALLOT thing i don't 978 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,439 Speaker 2: think it's been st long enough to really suggest that 979 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 2: he's going to. Get there, you know you've got to be, 980 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 2: really close and you've got to be, you know you 981 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 2: got to be. GETTING closer i think, over time if 982 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,879 Speaker 2: you're a finalist that's, been eligible, you know for. Many 983 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 2: years that. Hasn't happened, he's ACTUALLY as i, understand it 984 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 2: even maybe lost a little support in. That room and, 985 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 2: that's disappointing but that's just what. IT is i think 986 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 2: the longer you're a finalist and the more times they 987 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 2: have the, same conversation the less people give, a damn, 988 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 2: you know. AS voters i think that's just. The truth, So, 989 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,800 Speaker 2: ANYWAY minitary i think we'll get in at. Some point 990 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,879 Speaker 2: will happen? THIS year i. Don't know it's a, tough 991 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 2: class but well he's got. A shot i think he 992 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 2: will Be a Hall of famer, very soon if not. 993 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 4: This, Year okay so let me give you the. 994 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: List, here OKAY when i, SAY it i want you 995 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: to tell me whether or not you believe this year 996 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,240 Speaker 1: they are. 997 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,359 Speaker 4: Like they have to go in, this year you KNOW what? I, mean, 998 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 4: like yeah? They're in? 999 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 3: You? 1000 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 4: Ready Yeah, willie anderson? 1001 00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 2: Go ahead uh. M hm i'm not saying yes, On. 1002 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 4: That okay Drew brees e, Then Okay, JARRY evans. 1003 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 2: I don't know on. That one That's uh I'D say, 1004 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 2: i say maybe not, This, Year Okay larry Fitzgerald And. 1005 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 4: Frank gore. 1006 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,359 Speaker 1: Not, yet boy that's another ONE that i didn't take 1007 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: up With. 1008 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 4: The Colts Tie, tory holt. 1009 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 5: That. 1010 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 2: Is true, That's, Right Uh. 1011 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 5: Tory. 1012 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 2: Holt uh he've. Been CLOSE but i think the problem 1013 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 2: there's gonna be the wide receiver vote gets split a, 1014 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 2: little bit, you Know And larry fitzgerald probably takes a lot. 1015 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 2: Of IT so i, Say. 1016 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 4: No okay eddie helped. 1017 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: Me out another last Name that i've always had a, 1018 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: Hurdle with Luke. 1019 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 4: LINEBACKER carolina i, ALWAYS say i always want To. 1020 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,720 Speaker 1: SAY cookley i Know, it's keikley, but yes, fabulous player 1021 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,879 Speaker 1: and then tail. Early on but, Your, thoughts steven yes? 1022 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: OR no I Think keickley, uh oh that's a. 1023 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:07,720 Speaker 5: TOUGH one. 1024 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 2: I think He's a Hall of famer as you get in, 1025 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,239 Speaker 2: this year. 1026 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: Tough one that's. A, no, Okay Yeah eli manning reportedly is, 1027 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,279 Speaker 1: not in so we'll take him off. 1028 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 2: The List, CARELL suggs i don't. Think so i'm not 1029 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 2: saying he's Not a Hall. OF famer i just don't 1030 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 2: think he. Gets It, kevin WILLIAMS. M m. 1031 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 4: That's. A No, Jason, witten, Yeah Okay. DARREN woodson. 1032 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 2: I don't know if That's a Hall of Famer And. 1033 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 4: Marshall ye And. 1034 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 2: The, RAVENS yeah i say maybe yeah on, that one 1035 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 2: but it's just because it feels. Like, OFFENSIVE lineman i don't. 1036 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,800 Speaker 2: Know what once they decide to make them, a folence 1037 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 2: they kind of. 1038 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 1: Get, in, well okay so so you that leaves one 1039 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: spot Is what i'm, getting? 1040 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 4: At right that leaves? One spot is that? 1041 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 2: For YES and I think i think it would GO 1042 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 2: to i Would have vinnie, ON there i think as, 1043 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 2: Number five so that that puts under that scenario right over. 1044 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: Even those that you, were questionable well you KNOW what. 1045 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I Think. WILLY anderson I Think 1046 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: willy anderson is. 1047 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:24,640 Speaker 4: Going to be hard to. 1048 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 2: Keep out, but yeah that was THE one i struggled with. 1049 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 2: THAT one i think. YOU'RE right i think, he was 1050 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 2: but he's he's been a candidate for. A WHILE but 1051 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 2: i think he has had some, momentum lately so that. 1052 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: Helps him the, Other, thing steven that is curious, to 1053 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: ME and i wanted your thought on why this is. 1054 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 4: The case maybe it's just a culture we. 1055 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: Live in it used to be that this was, all 1056 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: hidden locked, under key like literally you had a better 1057 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,359 Speaker 1: chance of getting someone in the Mafia to whisper than 1058 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,799 Speaker 1: you did Getting a Hall of. Fame voter how are 1059 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: we starting to find out that some of these guys 1060 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: did not. 1061 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 4: Get in. 1062 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 2: It's a, great question and it is definitely, a departure 1063 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,439 Speaker 2: there's no question. 1064 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 4: ABOUT it. 1065 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 2: I think there may be some frustration from voters or 1066 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 2: people involved in. THE process i think that's probably the. 1067 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 2: BIGGEST reason i don't, know who, in particular they're. MY 1068 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 2: colleagues i don't know who would be among, that number, 1069 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 2: but certainly that to me is what you're, seeing here 1070 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 2: because that, was definitely like, you said it was a 1071 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 2: lockbox and people didn't talk. ABOUT it i, would, say, 1072 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,320 Speaker 2: though interestingly if you go if you look at baseball 1073 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 2: And The Baseball writers Association, of america very powerful Organization 1074 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 2: In Major league baseball if you're not familiar, with this but. 1075 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 2: They vote everybody who's a member of that gets, a 1076 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 2: vote so they have a lot more voters Than The Pro, 1077 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 2: football HOLLIDAY which i think is a. Good Thing. Number one, 1078 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 2: number two THEY and i would say the last ten or, 1079 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,200 Speaker 2: fifteen years really at the tail end of the, steroid 1080 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 2: era they started being more open about who they were, 1081 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 2: voting for and a lot of writers were posting on 1082 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 2: social media their. Actual ballots this is, still HAPPENING and 1083 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 2: i find that to be. Actually refreshing so maybe that's a. 1084 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 2: Good thing maybe we could get to that one day 1085 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 2: In The Pro football Hall. Of FAME and i don't 1086 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 2: know if it'd be a. Bad thing if you're gonna 1087 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 2: if you're going to have these votes and dictate someone's 1088 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 2: legacy for the rest of their life and beyond, their 1089 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 2: lifetime maybe it's not the worst thing in. The world 1090 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 2: if you have to then be transparent about how you voted, 1091 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 2: AS well i would actually be fine. 1092 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 5: With. 1093 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 4: That steven have you Been to seattle? 1094 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:43,479 Speaker 2: Many? 1095 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,320 Speaker 1: Times yes and you've Been, to well you've Been to Foxborough, and. 1096 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:47,760 Speaker 4: BOSTON. 1097 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 2: Right i have you've Been? 1098 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,720 Speaker 1: TO providence, i have as a matter, Of fact providence, 1099 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,279 Speaker 1: very underrated by, the way. Very underrated my brother went, 1100 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: to school and it's a. Fun Fact so i've been there. 1101 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 1: Several times, Very random but. Go ahead did he go 1102 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: To The Rhode island School? Of design did he Go? 1103 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:07,840 Speaker 1: To providence did he Go? 1104 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:08,240 Speaker 4: To brown? 1105 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 2: He went how the hell do you Know About Rhode 1106 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 2: island School? Of, design yes. 1107 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 4: He did is that where? 1108 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 2: He went he's actually a. 1109 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 4: What that he Went To Rhode island School. Of design 1110 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 4: he went TO. 1111 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 2: Ri isny. That's right him and his wife they Went 1112 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 2: To Rhode Island. School design they. Met there so he is, 1113 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 2: A like, i say. Graphic designer that's really under. Selling 1114 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 2: it but, he yeah he's he's much more accomplished. Than 1115 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 2: me he works, for well he worked in Advertising in 1116 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,400 Speaker 2: manhattan for years and he Now is he now runs 1117 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:48,439 Speaker 2: like the marketing and sort of advertising department at a 1118 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 2: major worldwide law Firm. In manhattan so He's, Doing okay. 1119 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm fairly, certain THAT and i could be wrong. In 1120 00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,840 Speaker 1: this but the Band The, Talking heads i'm Certain That 1121 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: david byrne met his bandmates while they were either students 1122 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,880 Speaker 1: at or playing Around The Rhode island School, of design 1123 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 1: and that that is the school that helped Launch The. 1124 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 1: TALKING heads i could be wrong. In that it would 1125 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: be Ironic because. 1126 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,240 Speaker 2: Wool says you. Are correct What's at google says you. 1127 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 2: Are correct i'm looking at it. Right, Now yeah steven 1128 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 2: in the mid. Nineteen, Seventies yeah. 1129 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you the SAME question i asked prety. 1130 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 2: Few times Information From jake query's but that was. 1131 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: Pretty, good listen do YOU ever I asked eddie this the, 1132 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: other day do you ever stop and thank yourself that 1133 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: you have access to this level of useless stuff inside this? 1134 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 4: Wrinkled? 1135 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 2: Sponge yeah you KNOW what i, Will say it IS 1136 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,680 Speaker 2: really i am. Really fortunate, you KNOW when i was, 1137 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 2: a kid, my dad, you know because this was, pre 1138 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,880 Speaker 2: internet my dad had like he had like half Of 1139 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 2: the encyclopedia sets on this bookshelf in our. SPARE room 1140 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 2: i guess he ran out of money, or something but 1141 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 2: he never. Finished it but like it was like A 1142 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 2: through it was the saddest damn thing you. Ever seen 1143 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 2: it was like a Through L and I would i 1144 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 2: would read. THAT stuff i would. READ it i was 1145 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 2: fascinated as, A nerd, i GUESS but i would look at. 1146 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,320 Speaker 2: The encyclopedia you know how you, Did this, i'm sure 1147 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,680 Speaker 2: because how all the hell else would you? 1148 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: Know it, of course and so so you knew Everything 1149 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,080 Speaker 1: about Albedia, and Algeria but Morocco and zayer you, were, 1150 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: screwed right. 1151 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 2: No shot no. Shot exactly, so YEAH if i ever Go, 1152 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 2: on jeopardy there got to be like rules about what they, 1153 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 2: can ask Because otherwise. I'm screwed, That's right so there. 1154 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 4: You, go okay, fair enough? All right? 1155 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 2: LAST week, i MEAN but i don't need. THAT anymore. 1156 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 2: I don't i don't need the encyclopedia, BECAUSE no i. 1157 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,920 Speaker 4: Know you that's. Exactly. 1158 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: Right okay so THE reason i asked about those respective 1159 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: cities is simply to, Ask this, you like which of 1160 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: those two places more For This super? 1161 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 4: Bowl matchup which one is the one that will. Be, CELEBRATING. 1162 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 2: Well I like seattle better as, a CITY and I 1163 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 2: think seattle's, Winning anyway so this. IS perfect i think 1164 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 2: that's the most complete team IN the nfl. THIS year 1165 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 2: i thought they proved that down the stretch in. THE playoffs, 1166 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 2: i mean where's the, weakness, offense defense, special, teams, kicking, game, 1167 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 2: return game all. OF it, i mean they don't have. A, 1168 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 2: weakness now they may, not have, You Know patrick mahomes, 1169 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,920 Speaker 2: Like QUARTERBACK but, i mean do we see a lot 1170 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 2: of room To Criticize fams arnold? This SEASON because. I 1171 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 2: don't so, you know we can talk, about reputation but 1172 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 2: the performance is there and they are an, ABSOLUTE juggernaut, 1173 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 2: i Believe and i'm not saying that this is going 1174 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,280 Speaker 2: to be. A BLOWOUT but i think they're going to 1175 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,840 Speaker 2: win this game and be in control of. THIS game 1176 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 2: i feel that. Very strongly, You. 1177 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 4: Know stephen. 1178 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: The one THING that i go, back TO and I 1179 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 1: want seattle to win, this GAME but i go back 1180 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 1: to when YOU and i were talking About The indiana 1181 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,680 Speaker 1: miami matchup in college football and you said, To me 1182 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,120 Speaker 1: miami is very. VERY good I Like, carson beck but 1183 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: he does have tendency to be prone to key. 1184 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 4: Late turnovers you said that. TO me i feel the 1185 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 4: Same About. 1186 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: SAM darnold i just Feel Like sam darnald might have 1187 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: a two pick game left. IN him i will. Say 1188 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 1: this here is my bold proclamation For The. Super, bowl 1189 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: eddie do you happen to have the breaking? News sounder not, 1190 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: breaking news but rather Proclamation From jake querry on This. 1191 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,160 Speaker 4: The Tuesday Before super. 1192 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Bowl sixty This Year's Super Bowl Most valuable player will 1193 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,360 Speaker 1: be a. 1194 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 4: Defensive player, Your, THOUGHTS steven. 1195 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,760 Speaker 2: I, LOVE it i you, KNOW what i think that is, 1196 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 2: entirely possible and, in fact hasn't that Happened with? Seattle 1197 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 2: before who WAS? Their mvp i'm trying. TO remember i 1198 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,440 Speaker 2: think it was a defensive PLAYER and i don't remember 1199 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,160 Speaker 2: who it, was now which is embarrassing but, not UNPRECEDENTED 1200 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,520 Speaker 2: and I think seattle in particular has done. 1201 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 4: IT before I Know von. 1202 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Miller one one Thing About, Jake Scott, chuck haley those 1203 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,720 Speaker 1: are amongst some. 1204 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 4: Of them let me look it. Up here the. 1205 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,880 Speaker 2: Interesting thing about about defensive MVPs is that it's oftentimes 1206 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 2: not like the biggest star. THIS is i could be wrong, 1207 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 2: about that but my recollection of like the Defensive MVPs. 1208 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 4: Larry Brown larry brown did, it right. 1209 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 2: GREAT example i think that's a. 1210 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,160 Speaker 4: Great Example malcolm smith in. Twenty Thirteen malcolm smith. 1211 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen there, You go there, You Go, dexter JACKSON 1212 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 2: who i Covered In, tampa, BAY right i mean he 1213 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 2: was like the ninth best player on. That defense, you 1214 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 2: want YOU want mvp Of The, super bowl. You KNOW 1215 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 2: so i just think that's an. Interesting phenomenon more, useless 1216 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,320 Speaker 2: information but it's interesting. 1217 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 6: To me by, the way there's will have been four 1218 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 6: defensive MVPs since. 1219 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 4: Two THOUSAND really i find. That Offensive, hard yeah this 1220 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,480 Speaker 4: from somebody WITHIN the. 1221 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Tv biz steven will rap with this the reason why 1222 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,240 Speaker 1: we know who did and didn't Make the hall of 1223 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: fame is because they DO The nfl. Knock video that's 1224 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 1: Where that shrek goes door to door and lets people 1225 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: know that. 1226 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 4: They're. 1227 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,200 Speaker 1: In uh those happened two, Weeks ago so there are 1228 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,920 Speaker 1: HUNDREDS of tv people around the country that know The 1229 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: new Hall. Of famers it's not just the voters that are. 1230 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:17,439 Speaker 4: Spreading the worst. 1231 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 2: Weeks ago it's. 1232 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 4: My, UNDERSTANDING really. 1233 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,440 Speaker 2: I thought they. DID that i thought that was in. 1234 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,760 Speaker 2: Real time, huh, okay interesting there. 1235 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,640 Speaker 4: We go, All, right steven appreciate. The time. 1236 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 1: As always i'll let you go back to listening to the. 1237 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Talking heads, all right that. Sounds good that's, the band not. 1238 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Your colleagues. 1239 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,960 Speaker 4: Appreciate It, STEVEN holder espn. Dot com