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Speaker 1: Tony Cats today.

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Speaker 2: And others will be remembered as them and everything began

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Speaker 2: to change and change very much for the better.

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Speaker 3: So we have peace now we don't have peace. What

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Speaker 4: Generations from now.

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Speaker 5: This will be remembered as the moment that everything began

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Speaker 5: to change and change very much for the better.

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Speaker 4: Like the USA right now.

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Speaker 5: It will be the golden age of Israel and the

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Speaker 4: It's going to work together.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to.

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Speaker 6: Thank several great American patriots for their invaluable.

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Speaker 5: Help in getting something done that almost everyone thought was

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Speaker 5: absolutely impossible. We were wasting our time.

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Speaker 3: So that much is true. That is exactly what they thought.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony kats dot com. President Trump got

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Speaker 3: it done. Twenty hostages alive returned to their families. It

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Speaker 3: I want to see it happen for myself, and it

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Speaker 3: already started. Seven hostages were returned this happened in two

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Speaker 3: me to say that simply is not accurate. It's too simplistic,

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Speaker 3: That is a fundamental shift, a very fundamental change.

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Speaker 5: After two harrowing years and darkness and captivity, twenty courageous

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Speaker 4: And it is glorious.

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Speaker 5: Twenty eight more precious loved ones are coming home at

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Speaker 7: Today the skies are calm.

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Speaker 6: The guns are silent, the sirens are still, and the

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Speaker 3: Nice but not reality. But we don't have to be

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Speaker 3: the people who dive into the insanity of how impossible

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Speaker 3: wrong Candor Sooans and Tucker Carlson were so very very wrong,

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Speaker 7: You know, he's in front of the Cannesset.

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Speaker 3: They reset a question, Well, we're not going to have

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Speaker 3: We're here, we'll figure out these people are the issue,

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Speaker 3: and changing the fundamental conversation, change the possibility of future conversations.

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Speaker 3: And so now as they gather in Scharmel Sheikh in Egypt,

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Speaker 3: to look out for. I'm Tony kats. Why are people

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Speaker 3: in the chatroom talking about rum? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Islands, Saint Martin, so they're asking about rum. The Baku Rum,

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Speaker 3: the Baku twelve year rum. It was like thirty dollars

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Speaker 7: Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Of all the unique headlines, tech billionaire Mark Benioff calls

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Speaker 8: That's the question, Because Tony Cots today, before Democrats recklessly

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Speaker 8: And my friends, if Democrats keep up their instruction here today,

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Speaker 3: They want the pain. We should be clear. The Democratic

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Speaker 3: First things first, the shutdown does continue, and we have

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Speaker 7: Now, if everyone's getting paid.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what the point of a shutdown is, Like,

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Speaker 3: It's when people don't get paid and there's some actual

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Speaker 3: In this situation, the Democrats are banking on it, they

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Speaker 7: They want it. CNN is holding.

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Speaker 3: A town hall, and you say to me, Tony, CNN

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Speaker 7: They'll have a town hall again, it's not a thing.

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Speaker 3: They're having a town hall with Senator Bernie Sanders and

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Speaker 3: And as Caitlyn Collins of CNN announced, this was a

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Speaker 7: Well, Tony, so they're gonna have a town hall today

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, not today, as I talk to you today,

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Speaker 3: What now? But I'm sorry, Tony a little bit deaf

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Speaker 3: with Bernie Sanders. And Representative Acossia Cortes Or said differently,

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Speaker 7: I feel bad. I should have issued some kind of warning.

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Speaker 7: Hey, old white I'm sorry, what was that? I hate

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Speaker 3: That sounds right. Bernie Sanders Acossia Cortes him a perennial candidate,

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Speaker 7: Okay, paba baa.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing to say here, yep, nothing to see here

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Speaker 3: Starting on Wednesday, paychecks don't go out. And what the

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Speaker 3: They already lost the abortion fight, they lose the universal

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Speaker 7: They'll have nothing.

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Speaker 3: And it's sad and They're like, we have to hold

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Speaker 7: Speaker Johnson, I.

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Speaker 8: Want every American to hear this clearly. What Barack Obama

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Speaker 8: as soon as you turn the lights back on Chuck

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Speaker 7: Mike Johnson's a little better than people thought.

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Speaker 3: I think that's very, very clear. Mike Johnson is a

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Speaker 7: I did like hearing Speaker Johnson.

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Speaker 8: The only thing that's changed is his personal political calculation.

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Speaker 8: Democrats are terrified of their radical marxistpace, the ones who

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Speaker 3: You know how true that is because you know exactly

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Speaker 7: Most likely that's the person at work.

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Speaker 7: He's absolutely correct.

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Speaker 3: first person you ever heard say that, Oh, that's right me.

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Speaker 3: We had at first, guys before anybody else. So CNN

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Speaker 3: holds a town hall because Democrats are celebrating the pain

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Speaker 3: they're inflicting on Americans by announcing this town hall five

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Speaker 3: days before it happens, telegraphing that they have no intention of.

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Speaker 7: Stopping this shutdown.

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Speaker 3: They're okay with Americans getting hurt, with military members not

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Speaker 3: being paid, with others losing their gigs. Because now russ

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Speaker 3: Vote has stepped up and said, okay, the firings have begun.

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Speaker 3: Over four thousand employees are going to be fired. Fourteen

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Speaker 3: hundred in Treasury, fourteen hundred Health in Human Services, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: eleven hundred Health in Human Services, Education and Housing and

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Speaker 3: Urban Development, over four hundred staffers each, although I would

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Speaker 3: do a lot more because if it was me, there

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be a Department of Education anymore. Those days are over.

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Speaker 3: Fire them, Fire them because we don't need them. There's

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Speaker 3: no reason to have people working for us if they

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Speaker 3: don't provide a value for the American citizen. But Democrats

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Speaker 3: are willing to inflict maximum pain to get their desires.

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Speaker 3: I thought it wasn't supposed to be party over principle. Well,

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Speaker 3: this brings us to a whole big conversation about toning

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Speaker 3: down the rhetoric, which I will get into. This is

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Speaker 3: Tony Kats today and.

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Speaker 2: They're working with many different people finding somewhere brought in

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Speaker 2: and some wor not, and they're working out to find

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Speaker 2: out where those bodies are.

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Speaker 4: Charge to believe they even have to say something like that.

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Speaker 2: It's so I'm saying he so said for.

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Speaker 4: What Nut says, and we have finally after I.

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Speaker 2: Guess they say three thousand years, I've heard from three

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Speaker 2: thousand years to five hundred years or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, but this was the one. This was

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Speaker 2: the granddaddy of the law, and frankly, I thought this

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Speaker 2: was probably going to be the toughest, and maybe in

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Speaker 2: many ways it was.

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Speaker 4: But we had a lot of good talent.

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Speaker 2: Steve Wooddove, Jared Marco and Pete and General Kane.

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Speaker 4: He's so great. John Ratcliffe was incredible.

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Speaker 2: We had an amazing array of talent, and we were

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Speaker 2: helped by, in particular, the countries represented at this table.

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Speaker 3: He's in Egypt, They're having this summit, and it literally

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Speaker 3: says peace twenty twenty five. There are times where I

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Speaker 3: disagree with President Trump on tariffs, for example, in some

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Speaker 3: economic policy. Certainly I'm not interested in giving the Chinese

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Speaker 3: six hundred thousand student visas to learn in our universities

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Speaker 3: and then use that knowledge against us while they try

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Speaker 3: and bring in viruses in their socks and mail them

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Speaker 3: to themselves so they can do experiments in our labs.

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Speaker 3: But this is unbelievable. And when you see the people

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Speaker 3: who refuse to give him credit, you know, see that's

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Speaker 3: just it. If you doubt the ability of the American

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Speaker 3: people to recognize basic truths, you're going to fail. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, rich, poor, Christian, Jew, Muslim.

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Speaker 3: Honest people know that this is incredible and violent people

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Speaker 3: who want to destroy everything we have they refuse to notice,

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Speaker 3: which is going to bring us to a conversation about

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Speaker 3: toning down the rhetoric to which I say no, and

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Speaker 3: I'll explain. Coming up on Tony.

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Speaker 1: Cats Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 1: It's Tonys today.

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Speaker 2: They didn't active for four undred.

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Speaker 3: And ninety eight days, leaving my wife who just grows

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Speaker 3: up to them and President. I wish the audio was

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Speaker 3: a little better. This was a hostage speaking to President

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Speaker 3: Trump before he spoke the canesset sitting next to Benjamin

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Speaker 3: Att Yahoo. This man who was captive thanking President Trump

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Speaker 3: for getting his life back. Tony Kats, Tony Kats today incredible,

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Speaker 3: incredible stuff as we take a look at what has

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Speaker 3: happened today and the freeing of the hostages held in

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Speaker 3: captivity by the Hamas terrorists, supported by Columbia University students

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Speaker 3: and far too many others around the globe. President Trump

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Speaker 3: telling Trey yinst that this was really.

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Speaker 7: Possible because of what we did and around.

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Speaker 9: Mister President, thank you for speaking with Fox News.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I want to do in a great job.

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Speaker 4: By the way, thank you, sir.

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Speaker 9: Twenty Israelis who were held hostage by Hamas for more

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Speaker 9: than two years were released today as part of your

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Speaker 9: peace plan.

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Speaker 3: What did that moment mean to you.

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Speaker 5: Well, everything you see, the enthusiasm really beyond is all

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Speaker 5: over the world.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like it, and.

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Speaker 5: I think it just means peace for the Middle East,

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Speaker 5: and it somehow represents to become representatives of peace for

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Speaker 5: the Middle East. And that's why it's gone like this.

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Speaker 5: Nobody's ever seen anything quite like it.

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Speaker 9: Talk me through how this deal came together. There were

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Speaker 9: very intense negotiations. Our reporting indicates that you were personally

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Speaker 9: on the phone to get this across the finish line.

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Speaker 9: What happened and when did you know that Hamas was

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Speaker 9: going to release the hostages?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you, I think it really started when

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Speaker 5: we took out the nuclear capability of Iran.

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Speaker 4: When you look at what they had.

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Speaker 5: You couldn't have made this deal of somebody sitting over

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Speaker 5: there with a nuclear weapon over your head. And I

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Speaker 5: think when we did that, and there were other obviously

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Speaker 5: very warlike things that we did over the course of

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Speaker 5: four or five years, if you're you know, sitting the table,

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Speaker 5: But when we did the when we took away that

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Speaker 5: destructive capability from Iran.

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Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson hurt worst. I guess it didn't start World

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Speaker 3: War three. And I certainly hope we never see a

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Speaker 3: World War three, but we should be clear that Iran

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Speaker 3: is the reason for so much of the horror and

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Speaker 3: the destabilization. And what we're seeing now is the opportunity

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Speaker 3: for something I don't know if it's going to work,

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Speaker 3: might take a couple tries, but certainly better than what

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Speaker 3: we've seen. Do I think for a second you can

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Speaker 3: have peace with Hamas? I don't. You cannot have peace

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Speaker 3: with because AMASA is a terrorist organization, and one cannot

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Speaker 3: have peace with a terrorist organization. Now is that rhetoric?

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Speaker 3: Do I need to tone down the rhetoric? I have

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Speaker 3: been staring at the scene. Of course, you guys know

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Speaker 3: I do six hours of radio a day, and I

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Speaker 3: do work on on on TV a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: newsmacs these days, and and and and.

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Speaker 7: A lot of conversations, consulting, some thinking, and.

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Speaker 3: I have been hearing about this toned down the rhetoric constantly, consistently,

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Speaker 3: We need to tone down the rhetoric.

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Speaker 7: And it hasn't it hasn't sat.

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Speaker 3: Right, it hasn't hit right. It's it's very it's it's

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Gladwell Blank, something's wrong, and I'm just not sure

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Speaker 3: what it is yet.

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Speaker 7: And I started thinking about I wasn't the first person

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Speaker 7: to come up with.

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Speaker 3: This, and I don't know who was, and I don't

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Speaker 3: remember when I first heard it, But I started thinking

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Speaker 3: about how we think of ourselves as people, or people

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Speaker 3: like to think of themselves as being in the center,

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Speaker 3: the center, right. You know, usually you hear this ridiculousness. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not a Republican, a democrat. I like

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Speaker 3: to hear both sides. Well, great, me too. You ever

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Speaker 3: noticed that one side is right and one side is wrong?

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Speaker 3: What does it mean to be like? Oh, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I lo, I'm in the middle.

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Speaker 7: You know I like to hear both sides. What does

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Speaker 7: that even mean?

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Speaker 3: That is a nonsense statement from nonsense people who have

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Speaker 3: no mind and no willingness to open their minds.

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Speaker 7: There is nothing more closed.

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Speaker 3: Minded than the idea I like to hear both sides.

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Speaker 3: It means you're not willing to say out loud a truth.

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Speaker 3: This side has chocolate chip cookies, this side is stabbing

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Speaker 3: your grandmother to death? Do you not have an opinion?

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Speaker 3: Is one side better than the other? Is one thing

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Speaker 3: better than the other, is one thing more comfortable to

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Speaker 3: you than the other. I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: many ways I have to do this. Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: I like to hear both sides. What does that matter.

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Speaker 3: It's a nonsense statement. It is an ignorant statement. All

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Speaker 3: rational people want to hear about all the sides. They

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Speaker 3: want to hear all the ways something can be discussed.

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Speaker 7: And then well, based on the analysis this.

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Speaker 3: Some things you might not have an opinion on. Do

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Speaker 3: you like while nuts in your chocolate chip cookies? You

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Speaker 3: may not have an opinion me. I don't mind walnuts

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Speaker 3: and a chocolate chip cookie, but just don't call it

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Speaker 3: a chocolate chip cookie because I bite into a chocolate

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Speaker 3: chip cookie and there's walnuts. I'm gonna call your mom

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Speaker 3: names because this was a chocolate chip walnut cookie. Be proper.

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Speaker 3: But something about that center thing, something about that center thing,

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Speaker 3: and you you start thinking about something I brought up earlier,

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Speaker 3: which is where the parties have been and where they've

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Speaker 3: gone and when and what we have seen throughout our

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Speaker 3: recent history. Let's go back to Paul Ryan and how

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Speaker 3: Democrats said of Paul Ryan, the Republican who was the

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Speaker 3: Speaker of the House from Wisconsin. He was the vice

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Speaker 3: presidential running mate with Mitt Romney. You know, Paul Ryan

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Speaker 3: wants to push Grama off of Cliff. What I know

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Speaker 3: he did p ninety accent. He was pretty strong. But

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Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to push Grama off of Cliff.

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Speaker 3: That's an insane thing to say. But the political left

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Speaker 3: said it would. The political left have said that twenty

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Speaker 3: years ago. You know, when we talked about when Democrats

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Speaker 3: were Democrats, we just disagreed on some things. You know,

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, we could all disagree and argue and

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Speaker 3: harangue each other and all the rest. But at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, we get go out and share

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Speaker 3: a beer together. Now, never mind that that's got its

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Speaker 3: own level of issues. The question is if you're calling

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Speaker 3: Paul Ryan, if you're saying of him he wants to

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Speaker 3: push Grahma off a cliff, I don't care what you

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Speaker 3: think about Paul Ryan. It means nothing to me. We

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Speaker 3: can argue that that's different. That you could take a

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Speaker 3: look at the center and say, well, to the right

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Speaker 3: of the center is the Republicans, the left of the

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Speaker 3: centers of Democrats. But when you're talking about pushing Grahma

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Speaker 3: off the cliff, the left has gone a little further

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Speaker 3: over to the left, but the right didn't move from

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Speaker 3: where they are. So, if you start with a center,

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Speaker 3: pick any pick anything, pick any object, put it in

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Speaker 3: front of you, and then put your hands in front

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Speaker 3: of you equal distant from that thing that's in the center.

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Speaker 3: Now move your left hand afoot to the left. The

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Speaker 3: center's no longer the center. Center shifts and this is

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Speaker 3: what the left has been doing for decades, shifting the

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Speaker 3: center left and then proclaiming by default, look how far

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Speaker 3: the political right is.

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Speaker 7: To the right.

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Speaker 3: They never moved. The left moved to the left because

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Speaker 3: they went from we disagree to Paul Ryan wants to

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Speaker 3: push Grandma off a cliff to it's okay to assassinate

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk because he said things we don't like. That's

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Speaker 3: that's what happened. They went from we disagree to push

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Speaker 3: Grandma off the cliff to we don't let Jewish students

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Speaker 3: walk around this camp as well. Feeling fear. They went

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Speaker 3: from we disagree grandma cliff to we destroy your signs

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Speaker 3: if you're against abortion, and we might attack you while

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Speaker 3: we're at it because you're messing with our religion. The

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Speaker 3: left moved further left, the right stayed where it is,

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Speaker 3: and the center moved now. I will argue that it

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Speaker 3: is very clear that, of course there are people on

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Speaker 3: the right who have done things that are unacceptable. There

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Speaker 3: are people on the right who right now are engaging

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Speaker 3: in this woke right now nonsense, whether that be Tucker

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Speaker 3: Carlson or Candas Owns as we've brought up before. But

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Speaker 3: as a matter of.

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Speaker 7: Policy, as a matter of.

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Speaker 3: Generality, they've stayed here and the center has shifted. So

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Speaker 3: how does somebody now tell me to tone down the rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: I'm not the one who got extreme. I still think

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Speaker 3: taxes should be low, if not non existent.

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Speaker 7: I believe in property rights.

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Speaker 3: I think capitalism is awesome because it is and communism sucks.

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Speaker 3: That was true when I started my radio career. Still true.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about, toned down the rhetoric. There

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Speaker 3: were these people protesting immigrations and customs enforcement and over

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Speaker 3: in Portland they decided they were going to protest this

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Speaker 3: anti ice protest, these people attacking immigrations and customs enforcement,

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Speaker 3: and they're riding their bikes nude down the street.

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Speaker 7: That was their protest.

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Speaker 3: And they want me to tone down the rhetoric. But

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Speaker 3: what rhetoric? When I say men are not women and

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Speaker 3: women are not men, that's not rhetoric, that's fact. When

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Speaker 3: I say buy guns, biamo, get trained, go home alive,

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Speaker 3: protect yourself and the ones you love. And if you

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Speaker 3: go to your synagogue, your church or place of worship,

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Speaker 3: you should always be armed because there are people out

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Speaker 3: there trying to do you harm for practicing your religion.

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Speaker 3: That's rational. It's not stream at any level. When I

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Speaker 3: say we should deport illegal immigrants and we should work

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Speaker 3: towards having zero illegal immigration while having a very robust

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Speaker 3: program of legal information immigration for people.

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Speaker 7: Who actually want to be Americans, what is my rhetoric?

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Speaker 3: What rhetoric are you referring to that I have to

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Speaker 3: tone down the statement. We have to tone down the

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Speaker 3: rhetoric is meant solely to silence under the guise of civility,

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Speaker 3: and that is not civility. Civility is not please and

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Speaker 3: thank you and holding the door open. Civility is the majority,

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Speaker 3: not tyrannizing and slaughtering the minority. That is civility. I

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Speaker 3: have been staring at this line. Toned down the rhetoric

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Speaker 3: as we've talked about it for a great number of years,

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Speaker 3: and what I have determined is no, because you don't

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Speaker 3: mean it. Those people who say it and say it

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Speaker 3: with some level of earnestness, like they care, you don't

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Speaker 3: mean it. And you cannot point to the specific quote

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Speaker 3: unquote rhetoric that must be toned down, because if you

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Speaker 3: tell me, I have to tone down the truth of

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Speaker 3: men or not women. Women are not men. We don't

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Speaker 3: allow children to abuse themselves. We don't allow grown ups

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Speaker 3: to abuse children. You cannot change your gender, and we

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Speaker 3: should not feed into mental illness. I can't tone down

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Speaker 3: the facts, can't tone down the truth. I can't tone

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Speaker 3: down the honesty. So you don't mean toned down, you

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Speaker 3: mean stop talking? Not you they And the answer is no.

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Speaker 3: We should fire everybody in the federal government who is

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Speaker 3: not essential to the running of the government that the

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Speaker 3: citizens require down the rhetoric. No Ilhanum Marmashida taleber Anti

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Speaker 3: semite space on their own words, tone down the rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: Oh they mean, don't notice, Oh, oh gosh, No, we

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Speaker 3: absolutely should not tone down the rhetoric. Better said, we

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Speaker 3: should not pay any attention to that nonsense. Pablem of

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Speaker 3: a statement because they don't mean, hey, let's get back

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Speaker 3: to just having some disagreements. No, they're well out here

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Speaker 3: on the left and they're trying to establish a center

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Speaker 3: where you are silenced. I think you should say no

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Speaker 3: to that, because I'm going to say no to that

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Speaker 3: very loudly. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz

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Speaker 3: today and.

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Speaker 5: Goes as I said earlier. I intend to be a

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Speaker 5: partner in securing a better future. We're going to be

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Speaker 5: working You're going to be working with the United States,

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Speaker 5: and we're going to make sure that the Middle East

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Speaker 5: is going to be a safe and secure place. It's

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Speaker 5: a very important place in the world. Means so much.

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Speaker 5: It was so many people who said the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: And this has been going for many, many decades. I've

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Speaker 5: read it many times that World War III will begin

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Speaker 5: in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to happen. That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: It was President Trumps speaking now after signing some documents.

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Speaker 3: World leaders behind them. There's Kure Starmer, who despicably recognized

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Speaker 3: Palestine giving aid and comfort to Hamas. And there's Georgia

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Speaker 3: Maloney of Italy who famously rolls her eyes at people

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Speaker 3: like kre Starmer, Tony Katz, Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 7: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: President Trump just saying the country is going to be

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Speaker 3: putting money into Gosen, not rebuilding, actually building it for

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Speaker 3: the first time proper and well anywhere in his words,

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Speaker 3: and then saying that it will be demilitarized, which might

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Speaker 3: be news to hamas.

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Speaker 7: They cannot have any weapons.

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Speaker 3: They need to be gone and in jail, and worse,

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Speaker 3: a little bit more from President Trump.

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Speaker 5: They didn't get along, some did, some didn't, but they're

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Speaker 5: getting along now.

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Speaker 4: This has brought the people together.

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Speaker 5: This is the first time the Middle East crisis has

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Speaker 5: brought people together as opposed to driving them apart, and

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Speaker 5: to declare that our future will not be ruled by

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Speaker 5: the fights of the generation's past, which is foolish. So together,

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Speaker 5: let us continue in the spirit of cooperation and good

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Speaker 5: will that has finally brought us to this incredible, historic breakthrough.

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Speaker 4: If we do together, we will.

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Speaker 5: Reach the Middle East incredible destiny is safe and usprous

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Speaker 5: and beautiful crossroads of culture and commerce, faith in humanity,

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Speaker 5: and geographic center. This will be the geographic center of

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Speaker 5: the world. So I just want to thank everybody for

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Speaker 5: being here. I want to thank you all for what

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Speaker 5: you've done and for this quick quick notice.

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Speaker 4: It all came together, just at one little period. It

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Speaker 4: just came together. The greatest deals have been that way.

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Speaker 5: If you do anything about deals, It's all I've done

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Speaker 5: all my life is deals.

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Speaker 4: The greatest deals just sort of happen. And that's what

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Speaker 4: happened right here.

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Speaker 5: And maybe this is going to be the greatest deal

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Speaker 5: of them all, not just nation building, not just having

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Speaker 5: to do with this.

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Speaker 4: Or the political whims. This will be maybe the greatest

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Speaker 4: deal of them all, period.

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Speaker 5: And I want to thank all of you and all

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Speaker 5: of these great nations and this region for what it's

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Speaker 5: gone through and all of.

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Speaker 4: The fights it's had.

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Speaker 5: Or life over death and hope over strife and harmony

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Speaker 5: over hatred.

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Speaker 4: That's what we want.

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Speaker 5: We want it to be that way, because together we're

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Speaker 5: going to forge a magnificent, great, and enduring peace. I

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Speaker 5: want to just end by saying, God bless you all,

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Speaker 5: God bless the Middle East, God bless your countries, and

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Speaker 5: God bless you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, everybody, Thank you, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the President was not that poetic at the Cannesse.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: But that's don't ever question if the man's genuine. That's

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Speaker 3: what that was. In every way I see Antonio Guterrez

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Speaker 3: is there from the UN. Just remember the UN takes

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Speaker 3: our money and they didn't do anything except provide money

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Speaker 3: to the terrorists who attacked Israel.

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Speaker 7: We should really discuss king out of the UN.

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Speaker 3: Aufmann breaks it down next, keep it here. This is

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz today. So yes, it's a peace deal with

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Speaker 3: Israel and Jamas. Really it's the return of hostages and

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Speaker 3: after that. I don't know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 7: And I would tell.

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Speaker 3: You that there are as many people who hope the peace

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Speaker 3: hold as there is people who say you got your

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Speaker 3: people back. Great, Now go end amos once and for all.

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Speaker 3: There is a call for that without question. Tony Katz,

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz today, great to be with you, but you

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Speaker 3: can't engage today without the recognition that Trump did good.

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Speaker 7: You like him, you don't like him.

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Speaker 3: That's inconsequential to the madness of the policy.

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Speaker 7: That gets us here.

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Speaker 3: Yet, the former Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln, the Secretary

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Speaker 3: of State under Joe Biden, actually said that It's good

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Speaker 3: that President Trump and I'm quoting here adopted and built

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Speaker 3: on the plan the Biden administration developed after months of

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Speaker 3: discussion with Arab partners. Noah Rothman joins me right now,

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Speaker 3: senior writer at National Review, author of the Rise of

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Speaker 3: the New Puritans, The Rise of the New Puritans, fighting

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Speaker 3: back against progressives, were on fun and unjust, social justice,

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Speaker 3: and the unmaking of America. You have the column over there. No,

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Speaker 3: this is not Joe Biden's peace deal. This is a

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Speaker 3: maddening statement from Anthony Blincoln, and one that not only

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Speaker 3: shows a detachment from reality, but now makes everyone question

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Speaker 3: what kind of things were they pursuing in those first

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Speaker 3: four years if they think they were laying a groundwork.

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Speaker 7: Your take, sir, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 10: Mean, I guess you could defend Anthony Blincoln's statement by

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Speaker 10: saying that everything begets everything right, I mean, just by

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Speaker 10: virtue of the fact of our existing in the year

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty five. There's been a series of precedents that

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Speaker 10: got us here, and in that sense, everything has, you know,

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Speaker 10: some sort of cosmic consequence, sequence sequential. Everything flows sequentially

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Speaker 10: from that. But that doesn't make a lot of sense

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Speaker 10: if you actually know the terms that they were negotiating

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Speaker 10: the September twenty twenty four peace agreement is I think

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Speaker 10: what they're referencing that was the quote unquote take it

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Speaker 10: or leave it deal that the Biden administration put to

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Speaker 10: Benjamin that Yahoo, which is, you know, kind of puts

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Speaker 10: the lie to the notion that the only reason why

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Speaker 10: we have this agreement is because this is something Progressives

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Speaker 10: tell themselves that Donald Trump successfully muscled Benjamin and Yahoo

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Speaker 10: into it, cajoled, coerced use the kind of strong arm

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Speaker 10: tactics that Joe Biden was just he was just too

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Speaker 10: nice to apply that sort of thing to the Israelis.

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Speaker 10: That's just a revisionist history. But the terms of that

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Speaker 10: deal were nothing like the terms of this deal. It

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Speaker 10: would have compelled him us to release only women, elderly,

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Speaker 10: the ill, not fighting age men, which is basically everybody

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Speaker 10: who is in their captivity at that point, with the

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Speaker 10: exception of some of the hostages that were seized and

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Speaker 10: released by Israeli forces in Southern Agaza when the by

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Speaker 10: the administration would not let them go into Southern Gaza

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Speaker 10: was hemming and hauling over it. And then they say that,

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Speaker 10: you know, it looks a lot like either that deal

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Speaker 10: or terms that were implemented by Steve wood Cough and

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Speaker 10: the Trump administration in January of twenty twenty five as

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Speaker 10: a short lived cease fired deal then as well, but

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Speaker 10: it was also again phase one, did not release all

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Speaker 10: the hostages, did not release the bodies, and it, you know,

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Speaker 10: sidesteps the best part of this agreement that Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: negotiated in the region, which is this regional buy in

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Speaker 10: from eight Muslim dominated governments, including Pakistan and Turkey and

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Speaker 10: Katar in Indonesia, all of whom have signed on to

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Speaker 10: the notion that Hamas cannot govern the strip, that the

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Speaker 10: Palestinian authority needs to commit to some unspecified reforms before

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Speaker 10: it assumes leadership over the strip, and that the IDEF

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Speaker 10: has a semi permanent presence in the Godza Strip, which

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Speaker 10: is now legitimized and ratified. Arab world is acknowledging Israel's

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Speaker 10: permanent interests in the Palestinian territories. This is all historic

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Speaker 10: and it can't be undone. That's the sort of thing

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Speaker 10: that you can't just like take back. So it's not

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Speaker 10: Joe Biden's peace deal. It doesn't really even resemble Joe

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Speaker 10: Biden's peace deal, and even to talk about it like

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Speaker 10: it's Joe Biden's peace Deal ignores the things that the

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Speaker 10: Biden administration either couldn't do or didn't even have the

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Speaker 10: imagination to envision. So it's it is a kind of

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Speaker 10: a defunct talking point. But I get that they need

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Speaker 10: to solve their wounds today because they look uniquely inept

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Speaker 10: when compared to the president's first eight months in office.

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Speaker 3: Night often, and I do wonder how this plays out

873
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Speaker 3: on a on an election stage talking to Noah Rothman

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Speaker 3: of National Review. But you bring up the Kataris and

875
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Speaker 3: this deal, these Muslim nations, and I want you to

876
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Speaker 3: get a little bit more into that. But first things first,

877
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Speaker 3: the Kataris have Hamas living in their worlds and spending

878
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Speaker 3: their billions. The Kataris are investing and putting money into

879
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Speaker 3: universities and trying to gain influence all across the United States.

880
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Speaker 3: You've got the Trump administration signing deals saying that we'll

881
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Speaker 3: protect the Kataris via executive order. There's conversations about land

882
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Speaker 3: investments and military investments here in the United States. Are

883
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Speaker 3: you worried about the Qataris and them playing a Chinese

884
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Speaker 3: esque influence game in the US, Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I am, and they are. You know, the line in

886
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 10: Washington is at I play both sides. What are you

887
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Speaker 10: going to do about it?

888
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 11: You got to live with the world as it is.

889
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 10: They're not savory actors, but sometimes they're on our side

890
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 10: and sometimes they are on our side. In this case,

891
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 10: they're on our side. You could say the same thing

892
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 10: with Turkey. It's not engagement as far as I know,

893
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Speaker 10: an influence operation in the United States like the Kataris are,

894
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 10: but they're an unrely have ale Ally, the question is

895
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Speaker 10: do you want them inside the tent.

896
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Speaker 11: Or outside of it?

897
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Speaker 10: And the prevailing view is in Washington and elsewhere that

898
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Speaker 10: you want the Kataris in the tent, not outside of it.

899
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Speaker 10: Not you cast out of the international order, made a

900
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Speaker 10: pariah state, suffering with sanctions, what have you, because you'll

901
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Speaker 10: only get more of this sort of thing. I'm of

902
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Speaker 10: two minds on that. I can see the realist case

903
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Speaker 10: for working with the Katari with the government of Guitar

904
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Speaker 10: as it is, but it's certainly not a model exemplar

905
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Speaker 10: in the region, and it's not much of a partner

906
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Speaker 10: either when it comes to it's the strategic benefits that

907
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Speaker 10: it provides the United States, but just by virtue of

908
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Speaker 10: the existence of this air base and US sent com

909
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 10: positions inside the country, it's more of a gift to

910
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Speaker 10: the Kataris, and it's designed to keep them from folding

911
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Speaker 10: into the Iranian orbit.

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Speaker 11: And I see the value of that.

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Speaker 10: And this is these are not easy, the decisions that

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Speaker 10: are put before Western leaders, to say nothing of the

915
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Speaker 10: American president, but it's you know, it's one of those

916
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Speaker 10: things where you have to take them where they're doing good,

917
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Speaker 10: then take them when they're doing good, and would not

918
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Speaker 10: then you make an issue.

919
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Speaker 11: But it's a case by case basis.

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 10: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: So my two notes were one about the Guitaris and

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Speaker 3: then I wrote, why agree you talk about these nations agreeing?

923
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Speaker 3: Is this about Iranian hegemony? Is everything built into Hey,

924
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Speaker 3: we're going to build up our power and diminish their power.

925
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Speaker 3: We really hate those people. And that's really where maybe

926
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Speaker 3: the Obama Biden administration cabal has its biggest issue, because

927
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Speaker 3: they were convinced that they could work with Iran, they

928
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: could deal with the Ran, they could appease Iran, and

929
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Speaker 3: these other nations were clearly saying you can't.

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Speaker 7: You're out of your mind.

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Speaker 3: How much of what we're seeing in this agreement is

932
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Speaker 3: because of the desire to diminish Iran's hegemonic power. A

933
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Speaker 3: lot of it.

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Speaker 10: I don't think you would have gotten. I mean again

935
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Speaker 10: back to the sequence of events for everything to get

936
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Speaker 10: to everything, I don't think you would have gotten the

937
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Speaker 10: Abraham Accords without the Iran nuclear deal with JCPOA, because

938
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Speaker 10: the logic of the Abraham Accords was twofold. First, it's

939
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Speaker 10: presented to the Sunni Arab states in the region a

940
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Speaker 10: real existential conundrum because they opposed the Iran and they

941
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Speaker 10: have strategic and tactical differences with Iran, and Iran poses

942
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Speaker 10: a threat to their securities. So the Abraham Accords said, listen,

943
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Speaker 10: this is the big threat. Let's deal with this first.

944
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Speaker 10: And then the second part of that was, let's put

945
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Speaker 10: the Palestinian issue on the back burner. It's not forgotten,

946
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Speaker 10: it's not over, but we're not going to get to

947
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 10: peace that way first, we do that last. And the

948
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 10: logic of that was very compelling, and the effects of

949
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 10: it are self evidently gratifying if you actually do seek

950
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 10: something like a durable peace in the Middle East. Because

951
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 10: this begat security ties, military and intelligence sharing between these

952
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 10: countries at a covert level, and then it's subsequently flowered

953
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Speaker 10: into diplomatic relations and commercial ties. And that's the sort

954
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Speaker 10: of thing that eventually yields normalization in the sense that

955
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Speaker 10: we mean the word normalization, normal relations between these between

956
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Speaker 10: the Arab States and Israel. And there's the Biden administration

957
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 10: went to work trying to undermine that, and initially the

958
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 10: Trump administration set about undermining that when President in his

959
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 10: second term, the first couple of weeks of the second term,

960
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 10: the President started talking about the Palestinian conflict like it

961
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Speaker 10: was the root of cause of violence in the Middle East,

962
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Speaker 10: of disunion and war in the Middle East. And then

963
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Speaker 10: you started talking about displacing Palestinians and making you know,

964
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Speaker 10: Gaza into a seaside resort. And this is the sort

965
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Speaker 10: of thing that made the Palestinian issue once again front

966
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 10: of mind for the Arab world, which is not what

967
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 10: you want. You want it to be back of mind.

968
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 10: You want it to be the last thing that gets done.

969
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 10: And I think now that the President's sort of abandoned

970
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 10: that approach, and I think it was smart to do so.

971
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Speaker 10: And now that we have a real legitimate strategic victory

972
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Speaker 10: on all fronts, mostly on all fronts by Israel. I

973
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 10: think you're going to see the peace process resume quickly

974
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 10: and in ways that just indicate that this operation was

975
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 10: really just a bump in the road, and in fact,

976
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 10: it demonstrates that Israel is once again the all but

977
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 10: unquestioned military hedgemon in the region. And that's going to

978
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 10: get more countries that want to align with the strong horse,

979
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 10: putting aside their grievances with Israel and the Palestinian issue,

980
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 10: which is still very important to them. They'll say in statements,

981
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 10: but they're going to move forward with a normalization process,

982
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 10: especially now that Iran has been not neutralized, but the

983
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 10: Iranian nuclear program is set back significantly, and a precedent

984
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 10: has been established that I think future presidents will observe

985
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 10: that we will not sit by and allow Iran to nuclearize.

986
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 10: I don't think a future Democratic president would sit say, Okay, well,

987
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 10: you know, we struck them once, but we're not going

988
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 10: to do that again. Why not? I think they would,

989
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 10: and I think they would just maintain that balance because

990
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 10: a nuclear rian is not a popular proposition in the

991
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 10: United States. So if you want to stay on the

992
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 10: right side of the American people, you would make sure

993
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 10: to tend the grass, as it were, and ensure that

994
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 10: Baran never develops a nuclear program. Again, all this stuff

995
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 10: is apocle huge shifts in the course of events, and

996
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 10: it has everything to do with the force of arms

997
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 10: and fighting a war to win it that changed circumstances

998
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 10: on the ground in ways that the endless diplomatic peace

999
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 10: process never could right.

1000
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: The attack from Hamas change things, But it was Israel

1001
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: unrelenting in its response that really kind of set a

1002
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: stage for opportunity. Talking to Noah Rofflan of National Review,

1003
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 3: let me go back again to something you said, which

1004
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 3: is these nations working with Israel, how will the college

1005
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: campus anti Semite, the Palestinian flag waving program program, how

1006
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: will they be able to square the circle that Islamic

1007
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: nations are engaged in normalized relations with the Zionists while

1008
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 3: they're out there flag waving and hoping to engage some

1009
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 3: toppling of society.

1010
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1011
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 10: I imagine they'll still be quite violent and quite disruptive. On

1012
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 10: what attracted a lot of these people to the cause

1013
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 10: of freeing Palestine, freeing Gaza, as they say, the genocide,

1014
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 10: the famine that never was, is that it's anti Western.

1015
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 10: There are fans of that which is hostile to Western

1016
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 10: dominance in Israels coded as Western and because it is

1017
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 10: Western aligned and the Palestinian cause is not. And I

1018
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 10: think that really is the basis of it, in part

1019
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 10: because you know, a lot of these people were violent

1020
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 10: before October seventh, violent radical, They didn't have a unifying cause,

1021
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 10: and now they do. But I think that cause will

1022
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 10: fade into the back if we no longer have Israel

1023
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 10: at the top of the headlines every day, and they'll

1024
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 10: lom onto some other cause to be disruptive about what

1025
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 10: happens to them. I think they're probably going to continue

1026
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 10: their campaign of anti Western agitation in some other guys,

1027
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 10: some other form.

1028
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 3: But do they.

1029
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 10: Reconcile what they're seeing with the facts on.

1030
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 11: The ground, No, they do not.

1031
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 10: They inhabit a very strange universe. It's a it's a

1032
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 10: universe in which normalization deals aren't peace deals, and that

1033
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 10: the regional threat environment is as bad or worse as

1034
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 10: it was on October sixth, twenty twenty three, that Benjamin

1035
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 10: Niwhu had to be strong armed into accepting this agreement

1036
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 10: which ratifies just about every Israeli proposition and then has

1037
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 10: a regional buy in like this, This is what they

1038
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 10: tell themselves. They're talking as though, and this is not

1039
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 10: just on the left. This is also folks on the

1040
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 10: far right, the influencer side of the far right, which

1041
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 10: is very skeptical of, if not hostile towards Israel, saying

1042
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 10: the same things that you're hearing from the American left.

1043
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 10: That Ah, you know, Benjamin Niel, who was such a

1044
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 10: calcitran party, was such a violent actor that there's no

1045
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 10: way he would have accepted this piece deal. It's no sense,

1046
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 10: it's laughable. And they tell themselves now that it gets

1047
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 10: its real supporters are just disconsolate today and all the

1048
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 10: hostages are home for the first time in only seven

1049
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 10: hundred and fifty days. It's just it's insane. They live

1050
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 10: in a strange world that does not reflect our own world,

1051
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 10: and they will continue to inhabit it and do a

1052
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 10: lot of things that make very little sense to us

1053
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 10: because they're not consuming our shared reality. They're contemptuous of

1054
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:27,839
Speaker 10: our shared reality.

1055
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 3: Noah Rothman, by the way, that's a whole conversation that

1056
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 3: we should get into one day. But that's going to

1057
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 3: involve Bourbon and the land of make believe versus real life.

1058
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 3: The land of make believe. By the way, that should

1059
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 3: be your next book, because if I would write books,

1060
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 3: that would be my next book. But that I'm giving

1061
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 3: you that one right there. You take that, you run. No, Roth,

1062
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 3: I think that.

1063
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 10: Was a I think I was a kids show that

1064
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 10: was on Whye.

1065
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: That was part of mister Rogers. I'll walk you through it, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1066
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 10: No.

1067
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Speaker 3: Rosman appreciated National Review. I appreciate you taking the time

1068
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 3: more coming up on Tony Katz, not to put too

1069
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: fine a point on it, but to put the fine

1070
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 3: points on it. Trump in an interview, he did some

1071
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 3: comments to Trey yanst Over there at Fox News discussing

1072
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 3: what made all of this possible, a peace deal possible. Quote,

1073
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: I think it really started when we took out the

1074
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 3: nuclear capability of Iran. When you look at what they had,

1075
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 3: you couldn't have made this deal with someone sitting over

1076
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: there with a nuclear weapon over your head. Tucker Carlson

1077
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 3: was wrong, Candice Owens was wrong, Dave Smith was wrong.

1078
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 7: They were all wrong.

1079
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: So the question is were they wrong because it didn't

1080
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: think the US should get involved. Were they wrong? Because

1081
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: just like those of us who watched these geopolitics, they

1082
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 3: knew that with Iran not being the hegemonic power, there

1083
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 3: was an opportunity to create a better life. And that's

1084
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: the last thing they wanted, a world where Israel survives.

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Speaker 3: I'm just asking, is that the way they do it?

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Speaker 3: They put up their heads like I'm just asking because

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Speaker 3: I can sell that story because it might very well

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Speaker 3: be true. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony Katz dot com.

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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the crossroads of America.

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Speaker 3: It's Tony Katz Today. So we are now in day

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Speaker 3: nine hundred trillion of the shutdown, and I'm telling you,

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Speaker 3: no one still cares. But we've clearly seen that this

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Speaker 3: is a political problem because I saw CNN announced that

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Speaker 3: they were gonna have a town hall with Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 3: and representative of Cassio Cortez. Clearly they're testing out the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight ticket. Oh you think anyone cares.

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Speaker 7: That he's three hundred and forty two years old.

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Speaker 3: Stop it, No one, No one on the left is

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Speaker 3: going to care day he's the nominee. They're gonna say, finally, right,

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Speaker 3: dang that Hillary for stealing it from him in twenty

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Speaker 3: sixteen when the Democratic Party stole it from Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 3: And of course the Costio Cortez is the future for some.

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Speaker 3: But they're gonna have a town hall about the shutdown.

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Speaker 3: They were announcing this on Friday. They knew the shutdown

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Speaker 3: was gonna take that long. It's proof, in my view

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Speaker 3: that they are believers in exact as much pain as

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Speaker 3: possible to get their political objectives accomplished, which is how

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Speaker 3: do you make Trump look bad? And how I think

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Speaker 3: this works is trying to take credit for the continuation

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Speaker 3: of Obamacare subsidies, the subsidies that were supposed to sunset

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Speaker 3: with the end of twenty twenty five, because they know

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Speaker 3: that if they agree to a negotiation, Trump's going to

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Speaker 3: extend them anyway, because his populace bona fides are going

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Speaker 3: to absolutely go in that direction, and then he's going

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Speaker 3: to take credit for it, and they don't want to

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Speaker 3: lose credit for it. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: layers to the thing. Let me bring back Noah Rothlan

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Speaker 3: from National Review dot Com, because Noah you have this

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Speaker 3: piece the GOP is letting the Democrats win the shutdown,

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Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, Noah, I don't know what you're

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Speaker 3: talking about, in what world, in what thought process, how

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Speaker 3: do you come to the place where Republicans are letting

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Speaker 3: Democrats win the shutdown?

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Speaker 10: When I publish that piece on October ninth, the morning

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Speaker 10: of October ninth, nothing that had been advertised that was

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Speaker 10: going to punish Democrats for seeking and shutting down the

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Speaker 10: government had happened, not one thing. I don't know how

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Speaker 10: any Republican could have been comfortable at that point with

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Speaker 10: the lack of squirming that Democrats were engaged in having

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Speaker 10: shut down the government with a convoluted theory of the

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Speaker 10: case that they could argue about Obamacare subsidies, that they

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Speaker 10: themselves implemented this shutdown there rather, this phase out process

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Speaker 10: was implemented because they couldn't get Joe Mansion on board

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Speaker 10: for the Inflation Reduction Act. As part of the Inflation

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Speaker 10: Reduction Act, this is all they're doing. All they're making

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Speaker 10: and Republicans did what they promised at the outset of

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Speaker 10: the shutdown, massive layoffs, there were none. They promised to

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Speaker 10: impose costs on Democrats politically about Obamacare. They weren't even

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Speaker 10: talking about Obamacare. Indeed, are reporters like cracked. Some National

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Speaker 10: Review reporter Audrey Folberg reported well in advance of much

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Speaker 10: of the media that the Republicans in Congress were thinking

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Speaker 10: about caving to these demands put in some few more subsidies,

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Speaker 10: COVID era subsidies. And by the way, this is about

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 10: six million people we're taking advantage of this stuff in

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Speaker 10: twenty fourteen, and today it's like twenty three million.

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Speaker 11: It just grows and grows and grows. In the interim.

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Speaker 10: In the days since, we've seen Republicans put a little

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Speaker 10: bit of muscle the Democratic colleagues. The firings that Russ

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01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 10: fought advertised are happening, and they're going to go to

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Speaker 10: court and say, daris to, you know, we don't want

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Speaker 10: to hire these people back. What are you going to

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Speaker 10: do about it? We've seen Speaker Johnson now actually making

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Speaker 10: the case against Obamacare for the first time in a

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Speaker 10: long time. Lo and behold that the Speaker of the

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Speaker 10: House is saying that this is an unsustainable entitledment program

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01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 10: that was designed to fail at all. It is is

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 10: just this gaping maw into which we shovel taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 10: that go nowhere and do nothing for you. That's what

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Speaker 10: I wanted to see, and we're finally beginning to see it.

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Speaker 10: So it's not my universe that I don't quite understand.

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 10: I don't understand how Republicans and of any stripe were

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Speaker 10: comfortable with the degree to which they were letting Democrats

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Speaker 10: retail narratives that are false and flawed and shutting down

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Speaker 10: the government to pursue a negotiating tactic that they just

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Speaker 10: came up with after the fact, and that we all

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Speaker 10: know has only anything to do with Chuck Schumer's deteriorating

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Speaker 10: position among progressive voters, which is true. We're more tolerant

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Speaker 10: of that. We're tolerant of that.

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Speaker 7: We're in all sorts of agreement. Humor has lost the plot.

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Speaker 3: He can't lead, he is not a wartime conciliary, and

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Speaker 3: his day as leader is done.

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Speaker 10: We agree with this, Yeah, I would imagine. So, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised at all

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Speaker 10: if he didn't run for reelection, seeing because of Quartez

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Speaker 10: coming up in his rear.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Noah Roffin of National Review, your point is now,

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Speaker 3: as I understand, it is very well taken because you're

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Speaker 3: making the argument, and it's interesting to hear it from you.

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Speaker 3: All right, I consider you one of the more astute minds.

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Speaker 3: I don't always agree, but I am convinced that there's

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Speaker 3: real thought and caring going into your positions based on

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 3: your big history brain and your understanding of conservatism. But

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Speaker 3: it's sometimes really nice to hear you say, Man, these

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Speaker 3: Republicans are a bunch of pansies. What the hell is

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Speaker 3: this money? Honey? But that's your argument. I love it.

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Speaker 10: I have this earned reputation among the activist class on

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Speaker 10: the American right for being kind of squishy, but it

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Speaker 10: has nothing to do with It has everything to do

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Speaker 10: with tactics and not about strategy. The people who want

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01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 10: to fight every time for every hill, at all times,

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 10: without any consideration for the consequences or strategic positioning get

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Speaker 10: really annoyed when I say, no, this is not the

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Speaker 10: right time to fight. That's their problem. That's always been

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Speaker 10: their problem. And then all of a sudden we have

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01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 10: a situation where yeah, now's the time to fight. You're

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Speaker 10: loaded for bear, you have a good tactical and strategic

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Speaker 10: position and you're observing forbearance. Why because and the only

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Speaker 10: reason why in my view is you're getting a lot

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Speaker 10: of pushbacks to the extent you're getting any pushback anymore,

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01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 10: because it's just really not the case. But when I

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Speaker 10: wrote that piece, getting some pushback from say the comments section,

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Speaker 10: is because it was critical of the Republicans, critical of

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump. And that's the difference. I'm Yeah, you can

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Speaker 10: be critical of Donald Trumps and still have a tactical

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Speaker 10: and strategic differences with conservatives, and still maintain conservative discipline

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Speaker 10: and be a political actor.

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Speaker 11: That's effective.

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Speaker 10: But if you're fighting it all all the time, in

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Speaker 10: all ways, in every direction, then you're not going to

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Speaker 10: be effective. Likewise, if you're just giving up for the

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Speaker 10: sake of giving up for the sake of a political narrative,

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Speaker 10: which would look like for a while, as you say,

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Speaker 10: you still anticipate Donald Trump to fold when it comes

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Speaker 10: to these Obamacare subsidies, that would be a terrible disaster.

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Speaker 3: Well, hold on, hold, gop Oh, do you want to

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Speaker 3: place bets? Noah, put your money down.

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Speaker 10: I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong.

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Speaker 10: I think it would be a terrible disaster for the

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Speaker 10: GOP it's coming. I mean, ratify a legitimize Obamacare and

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 10: just shovel money into it and take ownership of that

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01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,480
Speaker 10: program when it is in secret. Johnson is right, destined

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Speaker 10: to implode.

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Speaker 3: No, it'll be very bad for the rebubbies.

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Speaker 10: I've got the popular I don't think you're wrong, but

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Speaker 10: it's But it's terrible and it should be opposed.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Noah Rothman of National Review. Be sure to

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Speaker 3: check out his columns over there, and be sure to

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Speaker 3: check out his books, including the Rise of the New

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Speaker 3: Puritans Fighting Back against Progressives, were on Fun available at

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01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 3: Amazon dot com wherever fine books are sold. I've got

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Speaker 3: the populist Marjorie Taylor Green sounding like a Democrat. I've

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01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 3: got the Populace Center Josh Hawley sounding like a democrat.

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Speaker 3: I there's a real freaking problem going on here.

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Speaker 7: What is not the first time? No, not the first time.

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Speaker 10: Populist Republicans sound like democrats because they embraced democratic policies.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's why, and they always have easy don't need.

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Speaker 10: Two parties in this country of the same mind. On

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01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 10: whether the government spends too much money, we're not enough money.

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Speaker 3: Rather not enough money, right, there's I'm hearing Josh Holly

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Speaker 3: discuss the fact that we need to be pushing back

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Speaker 3: on Amazon because they're not unionized. And so of course

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Speaker 3: Trump is gonna do it because it's gonna make him

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Speaker 3: look good.

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Speaker 7: Look what I'm doing extending your subsidies.

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Speaker 3: And yes, you've got populous Republicans who are going to

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Speaker 3: absolutely fall in line because they see some kind of

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01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 3: weird value system here.

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Speaker 10: They do, they see a political argument. The Americans like

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Speaker 10: unions a lot in abstract, they don't want to join.

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Speaker 7: Them, which is telling.

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Speaker 10: It tells you something about ten percent of the private

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Speaker 10: workforce is unionizing this country. You would think, for the

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Speaker 10: amount of time that politicians talk about unions that half

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Speaker 10: the country belong to organized labor. They don't. One of

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Speaker 10: the Republican Party's biggest victories of the twenty tens was

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Speaker 10: not just policy oriented, but paradigmatic right to work laws,

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Speaker 10: which allowed individuals to join whatever shop they want to

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Speaker 10: and work at whatever shop they want to without being

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Speaker 10: forced to join a union or without being forced to

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Speaker 10: contribute wages to an organization they might not.

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Speaker 7: Even belong to.

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Speaker 10: That was a stumongous victory for the GOP and It

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Speaker 10: has been eroded in part because Republicans turned against it

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Speaker 10: and don't celebrate it anymore. They don't even seem to

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Speaker 10: notice that these laws are being repealed in places like Michigan.

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Speaker 10: It's a travesty for the Republican Party. They're just giving

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Speaker 10: up of they that took them a generation to secure,

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Speaker 10: and all in the pursuit of this convoluted idea of

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Speaker 10: what the electorate is or what it looks like in

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01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 10: this the noble working man theory of the case that

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump and his acolytes seemed to believe delivered him

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Speaker 10: the White House. It wasn't union members that delivered him

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Speaker 10: in the White House. They contributed because he had a

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Speaker 10: giant coalition of voters. The giant coalition of voters is

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Speaker 10: what got you into the White House, and preserving that

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Speaker 10: and making life better for them on the whole, on

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Speaker 10: the aggregate is what's going to keep the Republican Party

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Speaker 10: in power. Abandoning them will not.

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Speaker 7: No Rowthlin National Review, Noahs c Rothin.

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Speaker 3: That's the letter ce Noahs c. Rothman on X following there.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, man, very very much. This is Tony

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Speaker 3: Katz today. So the big story today of course, is

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Speaker 3: the return of the hostages twenty alive back in Israel,

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Speaker 3: back with their families, back with their loved ones. The

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Speaker 3: remains of twenty eight. Still we wonder whether all they're

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Speaker 3: are gonna get back. And some people have brought up

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Speaker 3: a very fascinating point regarding the fact that there are

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Speaker 3: no female hostages alive, and is there something to that

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Speaker 3: that we really need to focus on. And before we

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Speaker 3: got to this day, there was a madness that took

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Speaker 3: place last week regarding the Bigot Canada. So and then

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Speaker 3: for the record, I said bigot, I meant bigot. I'm

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Speaker 3: not apologizing for it in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer joins me right now. Josh Hammer is the

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Speaker 3: senior editor at Large at Newsweek, and he is the

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Speaker 3: host of the Josh Hammer Show. He's also the author

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Speaker 3: of Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation, and.

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Speaker 7: The Destiny of the West.

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Speaker 3: I bring up candae O and specifically in your article,

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Speaker 3: because she is coming at you engaging this idea of

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Speaker 3: complicity in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I want to

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Speaker 3: get to that, But I'm.

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Speaker 7: Going to start where I start with today.

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Speaker 3: These hostages are home three hundred I'm sorry, seven hundred,

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Speaker 3: and was it sixty seven days? Seven thirty seven days

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Speaker 3: in captivity, in the conditions, in conditions you couldnot dream

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Speaker 3: of in terms of their hardness. Talk to me about

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Speaker 3: the Israeli take on this day and how it is that.

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Speaker 7: You think foreign policy under Trump will be looked at.

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Speaker 11: Going forward, Well, Tony, great to join you. As always. Look,

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Speaker 11: I think these really perspective and the American perspective, at

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Speaker 11: least my perspective, are slightly different when it comes to this,

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Speaker 11: but generally speaking, certainly very similar. I say all that

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Speaker 11: time because as an American citizen, my number one, my

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Speaker 11: number one wished goal of the war in Gaza has

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Speaker 11: been all along the complete obliteration of Hamas. I care

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Speaker 11: about the hostages. I don't want to sound callous, but

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Speaker 11: to me, as an American thinking about American geopolitics and strategy,

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Speaker 11: Hamas and getting rid of them has always been the

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Speaker 11: number one objective. This is, after all, a US foreign

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Speaker 11: terrorist organization. I think these really perspective is slightly more

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Speaker 11: more nuanced because at the beginning there were a dozens

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Speaker 11: of American hostages. There were hostages from various other countries

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Speaker 11: as well, European countries and so forth, but the overly

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Speaker 11: majority of the hostages are and up until today, were

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Speaker 11: Israeli citizens. So the emotional calculus the thing for the

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Speaker 11: Israelis is slightly different. And when I was there tony

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Speaker 11: most recently, I was just there in June. We were

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Speaker 11: actually there right when the war with the Ron started.

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Speaker 11: That's a whole another story for a different day. Perhaps.

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Speaker 11: Let me tell you that the posters of the hostages

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Speaker 11: are ubiquitous. They are all throughout the country. They are

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Speaker 11: on the highway overpasses, they are on the lee posts,

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Speaker 11: they are truly, truly everywhere. This is a country that

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Speaker 11: has been has been yearning, that's been thirsting to get

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Speaker 11: its hostages back. And I think from that perspective, this

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Speaker 11: is a pretty much unambiguously good day in Israel. Now,

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Speaker 11: there is a slight caveat or two. The biggest caveat

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Speaker 11: is that if you look at some of the horrific

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Speaker 11: individuals that Israel is giving up at the price of

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Speaker 11: getting these hostages back, these are some really, really bad people.

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Speaker 11: And this is how this always goes Tony. I mean

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Speaker 11: you and I've been around the block a little bit.

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Speaker 11: We've seen these deals over the years, going back at

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Speaker 11: least as far as the Geeludge Toleite prisoner swap back

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Speaker 11: in twenty eleven, whereas well exchange over one thousand died

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Speaker 11: in the world gihatis just to get one captured soldier back.

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Speaker 11: This ratio is slightly less insane, but there are still

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Speaker 11: a lot of really bad Jihadis who are being released

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Speaker 11: in this deal. And in the twenty eleven swap, it

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Speaker 11: was actually ya Ya Sinwar was one of the Jijihatis

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Speaker 11: who was released into Gaza. Ya Ya Sinwar, of course,

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Speaker 11: infamously ends up becoming the masterminds of October seven, twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty three. So that's that's question I think I and

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Speaker 11: many others have, is God forbid? Is the next y

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Speaker 11: sin War, the next smel Honeya is that person in

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Speaker 11: the deal? It's it's pretty much impossible to know. But

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Speaker 11: I think rather than focus on the negatives, that we

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Speaker 11: really should focus on the positive, which is a beautiful day.

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump gave a very funny, a very emotional speech

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Speaker 11: in the Caness that he was clearly enjoying himself with

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Speaker 11: there are a lot of genuinely kind of slastick comedy

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Speaker 11: lines the whole canets that the legislature was really laughing

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Speaker 11: there and overall kind of a zumia a little bit

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Speaker 11: and focused on the bigger picture, Tony, this is a really,

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Speaker 11: really fantastic day for us. Is your relationship.

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Speaker 3: The speech that he gave certainly was it was a

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Speaker 3: little bit you know, classic Trump. It was a little

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Speaker 3: bit all over the place.

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Speaker 7: It was certainly.

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Speaker 3: Funny and trying to be a little bit light, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is celebration. I sometimes think in those moments that

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Speaker 3: Trump is so Trump that he misses moments that could

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Speaker 3: be better for him in their pronunciations. But in one

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Speaker 3: of his statements, for everything he has ever said, he

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Speaker 3: was very clear, Israel remains. He was very clear, and

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Speaker 3: that as he heads to Egypt for this other meaning this,

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Speaker 3: whether you call it a security meeting, whatever the case

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Speaker 3: may be, once you're sitting in front of the Kanassa

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Speaker 3: and saying Israel remains, Israel's going to be here, This

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Speaker 3: anti semitism doesn't work. He's setting up the story for

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Speaker 3: how other things are going to be presented. This clearly

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Speaker 3: was the very fundamentals of the Abraham Accords, which is

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Speaker 3: to say, Okay, you've got a problem with Israel regarding

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Speaker 3: the Palestinians, but it doesn't make sense that you're not

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Speaker 3: making money over here or creating some peace over here.

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Speaker 3: So do that and then we'll get to the other

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Speaker 3: stuff later. It was a reversing of the concepts. Is

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Speaker 3: Trump's speech today the final word on that this is

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Speaker 3: the way it is, and everybody better get on board

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Speaker 3: or your life is going the stink.

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Speaker 11: Well, you're right that, especially in his first term, but

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Speaker 11: certainly to no small extent in this second term as well.

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Speaker 11: I think Trump's approach to the Israeli Palestinian conflict more

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Speaker 11: generally has been to essentially invert the bipartisan scripts for

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Speaker 11: the past fifty sixty years or so. For decades and decades,

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Speaker 11: you had this bipartisan two state solution, cartel, the professional

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Speaker 11: peace process. These are the various terms that I've kind

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Speaker 11: of used over the years, and you basically have folks

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Speaker 11: from all across the ceterum who decided that the only

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Speaker 11: way to get a full and lasting piece in the

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Speaker 11: Middle East was to create to get another Muslim majority States.

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Speaker 11: Was Rachel to create a new Arab states right in

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Speaker 11: the heart of the Holy Land, a state that would

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Speaker 11: be inevitably overrun by Gihattis, that would probably become an

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Speaker 11: Iranian sat trophy overnight. And the thinking goes that this

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Speaker 11: was the one destabilizing issue in the region. But the

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Speaker 11: beauty of Donald Trump's vision for the Middle East and

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Speaker 11: vision foreign policy, I would argue more generally, is that

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Speaker 11: he doesn't view foreign policy through an ideological prism. He

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Speaker 11: doesn't view it through the same prism that someone like

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Speaker 11: a Barack Obama or even a George W. Bush would

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Speaker 11: have viewed it, whereby it's kind of an over an,

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Speaker 11: over emphasis on self determination, over emphasis that all cultures

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Speaker 11: are alike, that we all have the same inevitable yearning

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Speaker 11: for human freedom, and so forth. Here, no, Donald Trump

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Speaker 11: views foreign policy not through any of those ideological abstractions.

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Speaker 11: He's used foreign policy and certainly the Middle East, through

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Speaker 11: a hard hitted, hard headed, excuse me, prism of American

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Speaker 11: national interests, which is to say that he is a

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Speaker 11: foreign policy realist. And what he showed in his first term,

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Speaker 11: and again I would argue thus for on a second term,

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Speaker 11: is that American national interests and our security interests in

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Speaker 11: the Middle East are strengthened, are not undermined, but our

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Speaker 11: strengthen when we go all in to bolster US Israel relations,

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Speaker 11: when we ensure that the rest of the region knows

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Speaker 11: full well where exactly the United States stands, and the

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Speaker 11: United States stands unequivocally with Israel. Have the more moderate,

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Speaker 11: non islmiss Arab states that get in line. That's how

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Speaker 11: you got the Abraham Accords with the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco

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Speaker 11: and so forth there. And I think you're seeing much

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Speaker 11: of the same here the twenty point plan that Donald

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Speaker 11: Trump has laid out, and we can, you know, we

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Speaker 11: can have a conversation as to whether or not that's

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Speaker 11: all going to happen. I have my suspicions. I think

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Speaker 11: will be a play way of saying it. But in theory,

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Speaker 11: what he's laying out for the rest of this plan

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Speaker 11: after the hostages have now been released, is that you're

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Speaker 11: going to have non Islamist actors. You're going to have

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Speaker 11: moderate actors, God willing, that would come in and rule Gaza.

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Speaker 11: So it is it is a sober view of the

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Speaker 11: of the Israeli Palestinian conflict there, and I certainly hope

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Speaker 11: Tony that this has he got another dagger in the

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Speaker 11: hearts of the professional two state solution cartel, because whatever

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Speaker 11: may happen in Gaza over the next five ten years,

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Speaker 11: and there's a lot of questions that remain about that there,

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Speaker 11: it's certainly not going to be a brand new nation

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Speaker 11: state in the United Nations or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: For with Josh Hammer coming up, including what Candas Owens

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Speaker 3: said about him and the assassination of Charlie Kirk, it's nuts.

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Speaker 3: You won't believe it. Keep it here.

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Speaker 7: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. So what in

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Speaker 3: the world did Candace Owen say about our guest Josh

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Speaker 3: Hammer engaging this idea of somehow he's connected to the

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk assassination And is it actually grift on the

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Speaker 3: part of Candace Owens, Does she believe anything she says

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Speaker 3: or does that part even matter when you hear what

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Speaker 3: it is that she's saying. Tony Kats Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you guys. As always talking to

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer. You catch his work over at Newsweek Senior

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Speaker 3: Editor at large, host of the Josh Hammers Show. His

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Speaker 3: book Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation

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Speaker 3: and the Destiny of the West that's available at Amazon

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Speaker 3: dot Com or ever find books are sold. The reason

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Speaker 3: I had reached out and said, we need to get

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Speaker 3: you back on the show. It's what Candace Owens has

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Speaker 3: been saying. Now. I have spoken to Kira Davis about this,

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Speaker 3: who has long written about Candace Owens and seeing a

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Speaker 3: specific issue.

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Speaker 7: Some may say that.

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Speaker 3: I've heard people discuss the fact that she's a grifter,

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Speaker 3: that she is somebody who sees an opportunity and takes

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Speaker 3: an opportunity. I would would definitely let people say that.

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Speaker 3: Some people say that she simply has always had these

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Speaker 3: very bigoted views, anti Semitic views, and has now built

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Speaker 3: up a platform large enough to be able to espouse

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Speaker 3: them without any level of fear. There is a supporter

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Speaker 3: for this content which we see on the wood. What

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Speaker 3: do you call the woke right, the new right, whatever

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Speaker 3: the case may be. I have never been a fan.

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Speaker 3: I've never had her on the show. Was once at

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Speaker 3: an event where she was speaking. I was part of

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Speaker 3: the little VIP meet and greet section didn't go for

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Speaker 3: the photograph. I'm on record. But here is a different

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Speaker 3: conversation where she is accusing, I'm utilizing the word accusing,

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Speaker 3: my word, you who was friends with Charlie Kirk, with

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Speaker 3: being basically, in your own words, ludicrously accuse me of

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Speaker 3: for knowledge or perhaps complicity in the murder of my

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Speaker 3: own friend Charlie Kirk. What is happening here? Yeah?

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Speaker 11: So, I mean, are there really are not enough adjectives

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Speaker 11: any English language to describe what Kenneth Owens is accusing

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Speaker 11: me of here? I mean we can call it insane, deranged, evil, twisted, sociopathic, psychopathic, demonic, satanic.

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Speaker 11: I mean, those are just a few of the words

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Speaker 11: that jump immediately to mind. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 11: sick individual. I mean, this is a truly, truly sick individual.

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Speaker 11: And by the way, I like you. I actually was

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Speaker 11: never a fan either. I never fully understood exactly why

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Speaker 11: she was being faded and kind of groomed as an

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Speaker 11: up and coming conservative star by many venerable conservative organizations

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Speaker 11: on the right eye, I never understood that in myself.

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Speaker 11: But whatever there may or may not have been as

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01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 11: far as Merrick to Candice owns many many years ago.

1506
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,520
Speaker 11: This is a woman who has just been completely unhinged

1507
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 11: off the rails. I would argue at least as far

1508
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 11: going back as her defense of Kanye West three years ago,

1509
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 11: back when he was going down his pro Hitler Nazi

1510
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,520
Speaker 11: apology a rabbit hole, but certainly even holding that aside

1511
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 11: at least in October seven, twenty twenty three, this is

1512
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 11: a woman who it does not defight to merely call

1513
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 11: her anti Israel and anti Zionists. I mean, she is

1514
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 11: now spewing medieval style blood libels against the Jewish people.

1515
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 11: She speaks of Jewish people in a Nazi esque dehumanizing language,

1516
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 11: calling me subhuman and filth. And she's literally doing this, Tony,

1517
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 11: for one reason, one reason only, which is that I

1518
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 11: am Jewish. I am an observant Jew, I wear a kipa.

1519
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 11: I wrote a book about the Jews and Western civilization

1520
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 11: earlier this year. And she can't stand the fact, and

1521
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 11: people like her and Tucker Carlson that that whole cabal.

1522
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 11: They can't stand the fact that Charlie Kirk had Jews

1523
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 11: like me in his inner circle because it complicates their narrative,

1524
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 11: It complicates their narrative that Charlie was actively seeking friendships

1525
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 11: and alliances with individual Jews like me, with the Jewish

1526
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 11: people more collectively, that he believes strongly in us IS

1527
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 11: relations and an ecumenical Jewish Christian Biblical alliance. All this

1528
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 11: is completely contrary to their narrative. And I mean, I

1529
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 11: dare even purport to understand the various things that Candice

1530
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 11: is trying to string together to insanely accuse me of this.

1531
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 11: She seems to be relying upon this call Well, which

1532
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 11: tweets a day or two before Charlie's assassination. I mean,

1533
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 11: you know, you and I both spend a lot of

1534
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 11: time on x formerly known as Twitter, and you know

1535
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 11: there's a thing on Twitter where there's there's always an

1536
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 11: old Donald Trump tweet.

1537
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 8: Right.

1538
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:09,839
Speaker 11: People like to say there's always.

1539
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 3: A tweets tweet for everything, right exactly.

1540
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, So the day or two before charlie assassination, where

1541
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 11: the conservative conversation was primarily about the horrific murder of

1542
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 11: Irena Zeruzka, the Ukrainian refugee, and the Charlotte light rail

1543
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 11: and someone I don't know who was I think I

1544
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 11: saw Sean Davis that the Federalist tweeting about it. I can't

1545
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 11: I can't even remember it. It doesn't really matter. I

1546
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 11: saw a lot of folks fretweeting this old Donald Trump

1547
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 11: tweet I think it was from twenty thirteen, in the

1548
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 11: context of the Boston marathon bombing, calling for a public

1549
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 11: execution for the bomber for the Jihadis, show Car Zarnaev,

1550
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 11: and I quote tweeted that as a lot of people

1551
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 11: on my feed were doing that day, And I said

1552
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 11: based as in, like, I support this when it comes

1553
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 11: to the killer of Irena Zaruzka. So Candice looked at

1554
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 11: the timeline and says, oh my god, Josh Hammer was

1555
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 11: talking about the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I mean, it's

1556
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 11: just so stupid that, I mean, it genuinely makes you

1557
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 11: wonder whether or not she's actually this low IQ or

1558
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 11: whether or not she's actually evil. I think it's probably

1559
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 11: a combination of both those things. For what's worth there,

1560
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 11: what I do know, Tony is that once upon a time,

1561
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 11: before this nation in the United States unfortunately liberalized it's

1562
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 11: involuntary commitment law, someone like Kenneth Ollens would have been

1563
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,719
Speaker 11: in the crazy world of a mental asylum at this point. There.

1564
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 11: I believe that I have likely been defamed. I am

1565
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 11: a lawyer. I clurch for a federal appeals judge. I've

1566
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 11: spoken at all the top of law schools in America.

1567
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 11: I know a thing or two about the law. Here

1568
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 11: I'm speaking with other lawyers. I think that I would

1569
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 11: likely have a very serious case of defamation. I've not

1570
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 11: decided yet whether to pull the trigger and actually proceed

1571
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 11: with that, but we have a real bible shot if

1572
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 11: I do decide to go for her.

1573
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 3: Seems that she's got a couple of people, the whole

1574
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 3: bridge of Marcone Macroton conversation. But I think that the

1575
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 3: question before many people is okay. So let's say she's

1576
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 3: got some issue with Jews.

1577
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 7: Let's say.

1578
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 3: This is an audience that she found and she just

1579
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 3: wants to make it. I don't know if that part

1580
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 3: is true or not. By the way, I would have

1581
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 3: no idea if she believes it or doesn't. That part

1582
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 3: doesn't even register with me. But it's a far cry

1583
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 3: from oh yeah, that guy, he's complicit. He might as

1584
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: well have just pulled the trigger. That's a real chasm.

1585
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 3: That's a that's a massive, massive divide. So let me

1586
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 3: get into now the first part of my question, which

1587
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 3: is what specific Is there a specific issue that Candace

1588
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:38,839
Speaker 3: has with you from something in history, some moment together

1589
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 3: or or or or a statement made that created this

1590
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 3: this level of animus.

1591
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 11: Johnny, it's literally just a fance that I'm Jewish, that is,

1592
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 11: that is literally all that is happening here. I I've

1593
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 11: actually never even met candas owns. I don't believe it.

1594
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm sure we've been in the same room

1595
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 11: as some party or gallow or something. I don't really know,

1596
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 11: but we've never had a conversation face to face. It's

1597
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 11: literally just just something that that has never happened. Now.

1598
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 11: I think she's been a longstanding skeptic of mine, going

1599
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 11: back at least as far as as when I mentioned

1600
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 11: the Kanye weston a few years ago, because I was

1601
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 11: one of the I was one of the first ones

1602
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 11: to call her out for that. There there are actually

1603
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 11: very few people at that time who were really kind

1604
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 11: of from day one calling out candidates for going down

1605
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 11: this Mouie Farrakhan nation of visual on rabbit hole, and

1606
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 11: I did a lot of tweeting and podcasting and so

1607
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 11: forth about that at the time, and she was probably

1608
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 11: not happy about me back back then as well. But

1609
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 11: I call out her grif tony. I mean, that's kind

1610
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:49,839
Speaker 11: of my emo. I mean, anyone who follows me, follows

1611
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 11: my show, followed my column, or you read my book whatever,

1612
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 11: if you know anything about what I do on a

1613
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 11: data basis, I call it like I see it. I'm

1614
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 11: not there to try and get the invitor to try

1615
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 11: and get in some sort of cool kids club there. Look,

1616
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 11: I mentioned I was a lawyer. I worked at Kirklarnellis.

1617
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 11: I worked at a major, major law from years ago.

1618
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 11: If I want to pursue that career path, I would

1619
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 11: have been just fine. The reason that I decide to

1620
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 11: kind of shove all that to the side and get

1621
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 11: involved in this space in the commentary, opining, business and

1622
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 11: so forth there is because I care and because I

1623
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 11: actually want to call it like I see it. I

1624
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 11: have no interest in doing this for the sake of

1625
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 11: just going along to get along. So Candice owns a

1626
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 11: big fraud. She is a fraud, She is a grifter,

1627
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 11: and she is just a horrific, horrific human being who

1628
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 11: frankly desperately needs help. She is profoundly unwell, and I

1629
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,600
Speaker 11: don't know exactly what that help entails, but she desperately,

1630
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 11: desperately needs it, and I think that that alone about

1631
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 11: the fact that I am publicly and conspicuously Jewish really

1632
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 11: is what it throws her off so much. But again,

1633
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 11: it complicates her narrative as well, Tony, It really complicates

1634
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 11: her narrative when it comes to trying to define Charlie

1635
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 11: Church's legacy. There's been all this insane debate after Charlie's

1636
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,560
Speaker 11: horrific assassination about his legacy when it comes to the

1637
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 11: Jewish people and the Jewish State of Israel. Was a

1638
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 11: disturbing in of itself, right. I mean, Charlie was murdered

1639
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 11: by a left wing fanatic to someone who was in

1640
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 11: a romantic relationship with a transgender individual. He had this

1641
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 11: bizarre fetish for free culture online. I mean, he had

1642
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 11: the lyrics to the Italian Marxist song Bella Chao, you know,

1643
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 11: on the bullets. So, I mean, this is a guy

1644
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 11: whose left wing bonafittees are not in doubt the fact

1645
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 11: that we're having a conversation at all about the Jews

1646
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 11: is disturbing. But Candice, while was partaking in that sort

1647
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 11: of conversation, and she just can't stand the fact that

1648
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 11: I was a Jew who was in Charlie's inner circle.

1649
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,759
Speaker 11: It complicates her narrative. Therefore, the narrative must be undermined

1650
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 11: by any means necessary.

1651
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 3: So now this leads to the part too right. So

1652
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,839
Speaker 3: the first part was the idea of animus. The second

1653
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:54,799
Speaker 3: part is I must say I should have seen it coming,

1654
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 3: the idea of well, it must have been a conspiracy

1655
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 3: that brings about the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And then

1656
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 3: I've said this before. We were not friends, we weren't enemies.

1657
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 3: We just didn't know each other, right, followed each other

1658
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 3: on social media. That was the very extent of it,

1659
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 3: which is completely fine. The idea of oh, it must

1660
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 3: be a conspiracy. That's this part of the political right. Listen,

1661
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,480
Speaker 3: I'm not a populist by any stretch of the imagination.

1662
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 3: I am a conservative based on the value system. This

1663
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 3: thing that is happening is not healthy, it's not good.

1664
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 3: The desire to it had to have been something more

1665
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 3: nefarious than it is. I don't know how you get

1666
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 3: more nefarious than progressives ginning people up to believing that

1667
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 3: if someone says something you don't like, you should hurt

1668
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 3: them to stop them from speaking. It can't get more

1669
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 3: nefarious than that. So where does this part come from,

1670
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:57,560
Speaker 3: this desire for this to be some part of a

1671
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 3: great cabal, of a great conspiracy as opposed to the

1672
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 3: one we're staring at every single day that we can

1673
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 3: clearly prove.

1674
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 11: It's a good question. I mean, Tony, we live in

1675
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 11: somewhat conspiratorial times, right, I mean, I mean, here's the

1676
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 11: paradox in as far as I see it, we live

1677
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 11: in times where the American people's ability to believe and

1678
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 11: trust narratives and elites and authorities has declined. And I've

1679
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 11: been part of that, to be clear, because I also,

1680
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 11: like many other mifellow Americans, do not trust societal elites

1681
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 11: nearly as much as I think they would like to

1682
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 11: be believed. And I actually date this personally going back

1683
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 11: to Russiagate. In my mind, the Rushigate scandal, I could

1684
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 11: draw a direct line from Russigate and the Molar probe

1685
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 11: to the twenty twenty COVID nineteen lockdowns, the two tier

1686
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 11: lockdowns when it came to the Black Lives Matter and

1687
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,679
Speaker 11: people folks getting out of Scott's three while all sorts

1688
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 11: of religious Christians and Jews are not allowed to go

1689
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 11: pray together. To that, to the twenty twenty election in

1690
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 11: the Hunter Biden laptop, to the prosecution of Donald Trump

1691
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 11: and all the various Biden Merrick Garland, DJ law fairon

1692
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 11: on and on. It's been a series of events that

1693
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 11: I think have really torn the mask off when it

1694
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 11: comes to the American people's ability to trust, decide to elite,

1695
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 11: private and public sector elise and so forth. And again,

1696
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 11: much of that is valid and legitimate, but the unfortunate

1697
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 11: downside is that when society goes down an ultra conspiratorial

1698
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 11: path and you truly lose the ability to distinguish fast

1699
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 11: from fiction and right from wrong, good from evil, etc. Historically, Tony,

1700
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 11: there is one group of people that are on the

1701
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 11: wrong ends of the inevitable sentiments that flow out of

1702
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 11: beck of spiritual mentality, and that people is, as you

1703
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 11: and I both know, the Jewish people going back in

1704
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 11: many thousands of years. So I think one of the

1705
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 11: easiest ways to try to not put the genie back

1706
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 11: in the bottle, but they try to really just diminish,

1707
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 11: to diminish the clouts or the perceived clouds or whatever.

1708
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 11: It may be a people like Candas's own, and to

1709
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 11: our Carlson is we haven't tried to foster a new

1710
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 11: counter elite, an actually authentic, reputable, a lead group that

1711
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 11: is on team civilizational sanity, that is not part of

1712
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 11: the team civilizational arson. I see my friend Chris Rufo

1713
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 11: of the Manhattanitude and tweet about this and write many

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Speaker 11: articles about this. Chris is big on the notion of

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Speaker 11: forming some sort of counter elite. The long standing product

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Speaker 11: is not a company that happens overnight, but we can

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Speaker 11: try and orient a lot of conserve institutions towards trying

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Speaker 11: to that should in the mid to long term try

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Speaker 11: to restore more credibility to the American ruling class, and that,

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Speaker 11: in turn, I think would have a positive effect when

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Speaker 11: it comes to ultimately trying to get rid of some

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Speaker 11: of this anti Semitic grifter.

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Speaker 3: Nonsense, which then you have to start with what's the

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Speaker 3: purpose of an elite, But we'll get to that another day.

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer, I appreciate you taking the time man explaining

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Speaker 3: what's what The article Opera Divide Maga, which is an

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Speaker 3: interesting way to understand what it is believed Candie owns

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Speaker 3: is trying to do here or a lot of this

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Speaker 3: woke right that's available at newsweek dot com. Operation Divide

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Speaker 3: Maga and the book Israel and Civilization, The Fate of

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Speaker 3: the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West is

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Speaker 3: at Amazon dot com wherever fine books are sold. Josh,

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Speaker 3: thank you. More to get to I'm Tony Katz. Twenty

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Speaker 3: human beings who spent the last seven hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: seven days in the dark in a cage saw the

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Speaker 3: light today. I don't care if you like Trump or

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Speaker 3: don't like Trump. You just have to admit it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at tonykats dot com. And this is the point.

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Speaker 3: They won't who is they? We know who they is.

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Speaker 3: We the left, the progressive, We have seen them in action.

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Speaker 3: They can't bring themselves to say nicely done. And when

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Speaker 3: they do, whether they be fed or even Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 3: it's vilification. Certainly there will be no well done from

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Speaker 3: those who are desperate not to see peace, but only

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Speaker 3: destruction only of one side and eventually of you, me

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Speaker 3: and we, because that's where it ends. That's their desire,

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Speaker 3: that's their goal. Let us remember that, but let us

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Speaker 3: not focus on that today. Good work getting these men home,

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Speaker 3: good work letting them see their families. This is a

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Speaker 3: good day and we should remember that. Find everything at

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz dot com. I'll catch you tomorrow if you

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Speaker 3: want to take care