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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder is with ESPN dot com. I was enjoying

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Speaker 1: a fabulous pre holiday in the form of my buddy

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Speaker 1: Jeff Hester pre Honika. Drink together that Jeff and I,

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Speaker 1: who grew up together do we try to get together

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Speaker 1: once at the very least every two weeks, maybe once

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Speaker 1: a week, and just find a cozy spot to catch up,

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Speaker 1: solve the world's problems, keep tabs on one another, enjoy

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Speaker 1: a drink. And I'm sitting there and everything's going fabulous,

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Speaker 1: and it's just.

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Speaker 2: This great environment, great bar.

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Speaker 1: And I look up and boom, right there on the

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Speaker 1: television screen is no other than Steven Holder. And I

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, well, you know what, like two out

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Speaker 1: of three on ambience a bad. But Steven, I gotta admit, man,

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Speaker 1: you look very dapper when you're on television. And the

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Speaker 1: colts are always topical, so they're using you a plenty.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Well, so you know the colts, they tend to make

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Speaker 3: news in the most unexpected ways. So you gotta be

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Speaker 3: ready or anything around here.

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Speaker 1: Now with that, in terms of the gotta be ready,

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers was ready in Seattle to an extent. I thought, actually, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: I thought schematically they called a pretty good game for him,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that they kind of did a nice

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Speaker 1: job of playing within themselves. But as the game went on,

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle just kind of figured out that it

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Speaker 1: was not a Rubik's cube and it wasn't hard to

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Speaker 1: figure out what you needed to do against that offense

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Speaker 1: with its limitations. So can they realistically come up with

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Speaker 1: new wrinkles with another week getting ready for San Francisco

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Speaker 1: or did we see what we're going to see?

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Speaker 3: So I think that is a great question, and it's

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Speaker 3: it's more difficult to answer. But here's what I can say.

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. They did have I think the

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Speaker 3: perfect game plan. I know it wasn't sexy, and I

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Speaker 3: know it's ridiculous to think that that was modern football.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't right, but that's not the point. The point

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Speaker 3: is to win, right, and they put themselves in position

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Speaker 3: to win. Here is where I think the complication comes in. Uh,

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Speaker 3: they got if take phill the rivers out of it

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Speaker 3: to a degree. For that style of play to work,

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Speaker 3: you have to get perfect performance on defense, special teams

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Speaker 3: has to come through, and all those things actually happened

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Speaker 3: and they still lost. So my concern would be that

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Speaker 3: is a very difficult thing to duplicate and it ultimately

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Speaker 3: didn't work. Right it It was a great effort and

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Speaker 3: they did as best as could be expected, but it

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Speaker 3: ultimately didn't work. So is it now sustainable to think

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Speaker 3: that they can do it again? Is their defense going

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Speaker 3: to play a flawless at that level and not give

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Speaker 3: up a touchdown against one of the best offenses in football?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you can expect them

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Speaker 3: to duplicate that. I thought that's the best that defense

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Speaker 3: has played in weeks, So that how was their apex,

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Speaker 3: especially given the health of that defense right now? Right

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Speaker 3: so you're missing your three best players. So I think

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Speaker 3: you're asking the right question. I don't know if they

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Speaker 3: can duplicate it, and if you can't, then it goes

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Speaker 3: to what you're saying, which has to do more.

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Speaker 2: Stephen if with Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 1: And I know that you probably are like at this

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Speaker 1: point blue in the face of talking about Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: But I want to make this clear for people. Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson now, with three games remaining for the Colts, realistically speaking,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson would be how many games away or weeks

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Speaker 1: away from being football ready to return to a game situation.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we know. I think you need to

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Speaker 3: see him, That's the That's the thing. It's an impossible

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Speaker 3: question without seeing him perform, because what he went through

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Speaker 3: is so unique and so unprecedented that we just don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think he's cleared from the perspective of, you know,

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Speaker 3: guess it's healed, is what i'd say. But you also

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Speaker 3: have to remember he's been out for two months. He

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Speaker 3: he had he had some vision issues in that right

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Speaker 3: that cleared up? We haven't gotten a lot of straight

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Speaker 3: answers as a problem, and so what we need, if

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Speaker 3: they're willing, we need shain Stikeen to give. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think some straighter answers on where he's at, and

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Speaker 3: we just don't know that, and without knowing that, it's

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Speaker 3: hard to say. But what I what I will say

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Speaker 3: in conclusion is that one thing that will help us

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Speaker 3: let him practice and let's see what we're working with.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's a good chance. I think that

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Speaker 3: happens this week. I'm looking forward to that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think there's a case there where, or a situation

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Speaker 3: even if he doesn't play this year. And what I

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Speaker 3: mean is the Colts can evaluate him at least they

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Speaker 3: then then play and then got hurt right, and then

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Speaker 3: he also Anthony can get some confidence going and get

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Speaker 3: an offseason and who knows what happens to him then.

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Speaker 3: So I think it'd be great for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Steven of these quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson in current state, I'll

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Speaker 1: use it that way. Riley Leonard and Philip Rivers, which

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Speaker 1: do you truly believe gives them the best chance to

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Speaker 1: win games or move the football.

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Speaker 3: Oh, if he's one hundred percent Anthony Richardson. And it's

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Speaker 3: not even a conversation for me, Like it's it's not

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, in his current state though, where he is

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough. I mean without knowing everything, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it just may Claire. We don't have all

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Speaker 3: the details. If he is, if he's good enough to play,

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Speaker 3: and I think he is. If he's good enough to play,

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Speaker 3: I think it may fail, right, it may not work,

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Speaker 3: But I like my chances there. Here's why you can

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Speaker 3: now do things that you are prevented from doing with

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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers, Riley Leonard. While he is, he doesn't have

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Speaker 3: any physical limitations. He does have to knee injury. I

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Speaker 3: saw him throw all morning on Sunday morning before the game.

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Speaker 3: He's fine, Okay, trust me, he's fine. If he if

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Speaker 3: he's out there, he can do more than Philip Rivers physically,

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Speaker 3: There's no question about that. But I don't I think

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Speaker 3: there's no comparison there.

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Speaker 1: But here's why I ask Stephen Here's why I ask,

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Speaker 1: if Riley Leonard can do the equivalent of Philip Rivers, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and for that matter, Riley Leonard is probably more mobile

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Speaker 1: considering and considering that, Riley Leonard is a player. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying a locke, but Riley Leonard is a player

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Speaker 1: that has the chance to be part of your roster

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Speaker 1: and your depth moving forward. Philip Rivers does not. So

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Speaker 1: why then Philip Rivers over Riley Leonard.

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Speaker 3: So I know not everyone will agree with this, That's fine,

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Speaker 3: but I'm telling you in my opinion, in my educated opinion,

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Speaker 3: I think if Riley Leonard would have gone up against

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Speaker 3: that Seattle defense, it would have been ugly right. The

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Speaker 3: reason I say that is because he would have made

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Speaker 3: mistakes that Philip Rivers didn't make. And while it was

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Speaker 3: certainly it was painful to watch at times, this forty

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Speaker 3: four year old middle aged man trying to do this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I get it right. That is what it took against

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Speaker 3: that opportunistic defense. They got a lot of playmakers over there.

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Speaker 3: They would have put Riley Leonard in a freaking blender.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, I have no doubt this giving up

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that's the same for San Francisco?

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think Robert sala would would make his

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Speaker 3: head spin. Yes, okay, absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: With that.

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Speaker 1: And look, the Colts are still mathematically and statistically in

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Speaker 1: the possibility for the postseason, right, and I get it

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Speaker 1: they owe it to themselves to push in on that.

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Speaker 1: The question is is this in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: Is this in any way, shape or form Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: because they feel that that is necessary. Like selection Sunday

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Speaker 1: with the NCAA tournament, when they say, like, okay, state

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Speaker 1: you know, what's your profile? Are they in position? Do

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Speaker 1: you believe where they feel like they may have to

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Speaker 2: The end of the year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they may have to make that argument, but

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Speaker 3: I think they're they're unrelated. And here's why, because what's

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Speaker 3: fact that I would I would think much less of

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Speaker 3: them as as men. If they did that, I would

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Speaker 3: think significantly less of them. You're doing what it takes.

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Speaker 3: Now we can we can quibble as a fan, you

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Speaker 3: can quibble about how they are going about achieving that

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Speaker 3: you say we suck. Well I don't. I wouldn't respect

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Speaker 3: still don't think they're a team that's going anywhere in

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Speaker 3: the long term this year. But now you're if they

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Speaker 3: win that game, they're really in it, and they gave

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Speaker 2: Has Tyler Warren started to hit a rookie wall, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, as much as I think circumstances maybe have

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Speaker 3: mean circumstances beyond his control, like the quarterback situation and

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Speaker 3: the offense just kind of in a lull. I do

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Speaker 3: think that if Daniel Jones is playing, you're seeing a

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Speaker 3: different version of Tyler Warren. It's just been tough. No. Now,

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Speaker 3: I would say, if you get Anthony Richardson back out there,

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Speaker 3: I am not promising that's gonna happen, right, just very

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Speaker 3: very hypothetically. I think if you get if you if

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Speaker 3: you get Anthony Richardson out there, now you're creating more

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Speaker 3: matchup issues with a quarterback like that. Now you bring

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Speaker 3: bootlegs with Tyler Warren wide open, like there's some things

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Speaker 3: you can do there. It's tougher with with the limitations

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Speaker 3: But but I just think with the way they use

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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren, I think it helps if the quarterback can

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Speaker 3: with with Tyler Warren that they're not getting maybe as

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Speaker 3: much right now. But I I think he's been fine.

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Speaker 3: I think he's been fine, but he's definitely been quieter.

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Speaker 3: I don't put it on him, per say though.

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Speaker 1: Give me the odds possibility in the college football playoff.

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Speaker 1: poor guest line is where you're hearing his voice. It

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Speaker 2: Who you think will win? You're ready?

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Speaker 3: Oregon by three touchdowns?

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Speaker 2: Okay Oregon Texas Tech.

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Speaker 3: But I'm but I'm less sorry about that because I

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Speaker 1: Well, no one does, and I mean not even the

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Speaker 5: Alabama Oklahoma, ah Man, tough one Oklahoma, Okay, Oklahoma, Indiana, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Again for the second time.

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Speaker 1: This just an ESPN dot com Steven Holder projecting the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers will be the twenty and twenty five college

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, we just need you.

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Speaker 1: To you know a guy that works on an oil

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Speaker 1: and a Texas Tech hat. Done right, right, I mean right,

439
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: that's not believable at all. Right, yeah, easiest thing ever.

440
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Speaker 1: All right, Steven, appreciate it. We will be looking for

441
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Speaker 1: the coverage Monday night now Colts and Niners coming up

442
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: this week for Indianapolis. Appreciate it, Steven, all right, you

443
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: got it, all right? Stephen Holder joining me from ESPN

444
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 1: dot Comic and Java House Peel and poor guest line, Butler,

445
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: I believe tonight take it on Yukon Brayla Mullins, the

446
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: reigning mister Basketball in that game, guy that covered him

447
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: and now has covered a new recipient of the coveted

448
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Speaker 1: Mister Football award, and there is news to talk about

449
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: in both sports from a high school standpoint, with our

450
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Speaker 1: friend from The Indianapolis Star, Kyle Neddripp joining the program

451
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: now on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

452
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: You got spared, Kyle.

453
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: Because since we'd moved to the new location, we're still

454
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: unpacking boxes, notably the one where you call yourself both

455
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: lost and clueless.

456
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, yeah, that's that's okay. It's a holiday season,

457
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 7: so you're you're being kind today.

458
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: That's right.

459
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: Let's begin with football from a football standpoint. Saw it

460
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: just within the last day or so. Congratulations and well deserved.

461
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: But the Indianapolis Star there is a new Indiana Mister

462
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: Football to congratulate.

463
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, we awarded that, Miles mclafflin. Yesterday. The Indian Football

464
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 7: Coach Association voted.

465
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 4: Miles and it was pretty you know, the voting was

466
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 4: was pretty much in his favor. I mean sixty four percent.

467
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 4: I think sixty four point five percent of the votes,

468
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: and Heritage Chills Jed Goldsberry had about sixteen sixteen or

469
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: eighteen percent. You have to I have to read the

470
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Speaker 4: story again that I wrote, but somewhere in that range.

471
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 4: So it was pretty lopsided and kind of thought that

472
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 4: might be how it went down. You know, Miles had

473
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: such a great run, especially the second half of the season,

474
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: you know, started to really get some national recognition and

475
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: you know, people like Derek Henry even talking about him

476
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: on various platforms and you know, and to get you know,

477
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 4: he ended up the all time single season national record

478
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: holder for rushing. So you know, when you get those

479
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: type of you know, that type of accolades and accomplishments

480
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: puts you on another stratosphere. And definitely getting his team,

481
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: they were, you know, one step away from making the

482
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 4: state finals, but you know, to get that team as

483
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: far as he did certainly helped him as well. So yeah,

484
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: very you know, and he said, you know, you know,

485
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Speaker 4: talking to him yesterday, you know, he did say it

486
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: was a lot of pressure and you know, it felt

487
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 4: like the way the world was on him at times,

488
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: and you know, but then he said it was in it.

489
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 7: It was in a good way.

490
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: It was fun, you know, and he obviously carried that

491
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: team a long way. So I think, uh, you know,

492
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Speaker 4: he's going to Murray State to play next year and

493
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: and be a running back, so you know, we'll see

494
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: how he does in college. But uh, but yeah, I'm

495
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: a pretty pretty cool story from a little town that

496
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: had never had a mister football before.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, it's funny because Knox is

498
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: the town, right or not in the school, and I

499
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: I always assumed, you know, like North Knox and Knox

500
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Speaker 1: County is down south of Vincennes. This is the opposite end,

501
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: right we're talking about, uh, northeastern Indiana up near Fort Wayne.

502
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Speaker 4: Correct, it's north you know, northwest actually you know you're

503
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: going towards uh you know.

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Speaker 2: Winn A back up in that Okay, yeah, okay, that part.

505
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 7: Of the state.

506
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's kind of a it's Start County,

507
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: which you know they've never actually the county has never

508
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 4: had a mister football. It's you know, I've been up

509
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: there probably what three times now.

510
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 7: Uh.

511
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 4: It's it's a quite a quite a haul to get

512
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: up that way, but it's it's kind of just you know,

513
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 4: if you're thinking about the you know, the the the

514
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: time zones. They are in the Central time zone just barely.

515
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 7: Uh so you know.

516
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: They're they're up there, pretty far up in the northwest

517
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Speaker 4: part of the state.

518
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 7: But yeah, they you know, it's it's uh, we.

519
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 4: Were in the school yesterday and obviously a lot of

520
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: excitement for him about this award, and you know, he'll

521
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: he'll uh, you know, that's something you know, he's got

522
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: two younger brothers and they're you know, they're gonna you know,

523
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Speaker 4: it's something that they can their family can really you

524
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: know appreciate, I think, and enjoy and really that whole community.

525
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 4: Rush Radke he's the coach there and he's been you know,

526
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: he's a fifty year high school football coach and you know,

527
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: talking to him yesterday too, obviously very appreciative of having

528
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 4: a mister football, you know, having coached one.

529
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 7: So uh but yeah, pretty cool.

530
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean he kind of came from I would they

531
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Speaker 4: came from the outside. You know, when I was doing

532
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: this last year, looking at the candidates for this year,

533
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Speaker 4: you know, he wasn't among the top you know, top

534
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: five or anything like that, so you know kind of

535
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: you know, was able to get his way in there

536
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: and then win pretty handily, which is which is quite

537
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: an accomplishment, Kyle.

538
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, things like that, a guy winning a

539
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: Mister Football doing it from a smaller school like that,

540
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: a smaller community. You know, that stuff brings people together

541
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: and they talk about it for a long time and

542
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: you know it's cool.

543
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: Right.

544
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: Sometimes communities also are kind of forced to come together

545
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: in circling around or gathering around or holding together tight

546
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: after something that is not always you know, as celebratory.

547
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: It goes without saying, but sometimes the worst situations can

548
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: bring out the best in a community and for a

549
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: family as well. Tell me about the tragically sad story

550
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: but at the same time, maybe with a community feel

551
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: to it.

552
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: Of Jeff the.

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00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 4: Ref Yeah, Jeff, you know, Jeff Tomari passed away Friday night.

554
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: Was refereeing a game at Via Girls game against speed

555
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: Away and in the second quarter of that game, you know,

556
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: collapsed and you know, passed away. And you know, I

557
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: talked to several referees that night, you know, ended up

558
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: talking to his family, his daughter, one of his daughters,

559
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: his ex wife, his sister.

560
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: He was in his early sixties, correct, Yeah.

561
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 7: Sixty three would have been sixty four next.

562
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: Month actually, so yeah, he was sixty three. You know,

563
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: had a you know, he was a you know, an

564
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: athletic guy. He was a Perry Murdy and graduate. I

565
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 4: was a swimmer there actually, and you know, went on

566
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Speaker 4: and he refereed. He did all these you know, not

567
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: only high school basketball, but he was if he you know,

568
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: talked to some of the refs and umpires he worked with,

569
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Speaker 4: was a really good baseball umpire. I talked to Kevin Brown,

570
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Speaker 4: who umpired with him, and he said he was just

571
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Speaker 4: a fantastic baseball umpire. Should have been in the state finals,

572
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: you know, that type of umpire.

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Speaker 7: I did a lot of.

574
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: High school football and basketball as well, did and then

575
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: started doing a lot of youth games, you know, and

576
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: that was sort of where you know, the Jeff the

577
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: ref moniker came from. And you know, he got to

578
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: know these kids up in Zionsville Youth League and you

579
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: know other leagues that he did at Greenwood. He lived

580
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: in Greenwood, you know, and had uh you know, I

581
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: talked to his you know a lot of his closer

582
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 4: friends in the umpiring and refereeing world as well. But uh,

583
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: but yeah, I just had a way about him that

584
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: I think, uh, you know, kids were just kind of

585
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Speaker 4: drawn to him.

586
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 7: He was always you know, very.

587
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: Positive guy, positive as far as you know, teaching kids,

588
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: you know, not being you know, just someone who's there

589
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: just to be there.

590
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 7: You know.

591
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: And we've all seen that at times, whether it's you know,

592
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: umpiring or refing or whatever, just you're just kind of there.

593
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 7: You know, you know, just to be there, you know.

594
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: But he he sort of went out of his way

595
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: to you know, correct the shot or correct telekid, Hey

596
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: you travel on that watch, you know, don't do that again,

597
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and you know, so I think that

598
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: was just kind of.

599
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 7: The way he was. Kid kids, really we were sort

600
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Speaker 7: of drawn to him that way.

601
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Speaker 4: And and you know, I've heard from so many people

602
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 4: you know, either social media or you know, who have

603
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: had a good experience with them. And you know, obviously,

604
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: like you said, it's a you know, the whole situation,

605
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: no matter you know who it happened to on Friday night,

606
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 4: was you know that you feel for those people who

607
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: were there and the kids who are watching that happen.

608
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's something they'll never forget, you know, anyone

609
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: who was there that night. So you know, regardless of Jeff,

610
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: you know, the person, you know, just being in that

611
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: moment is something.

612
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 7: They're going to carry with him as well.

613
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I also wanted to tell the story

614
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: about who he was, and you know, tried to do

615
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: that from you know, talking to his family and his

616
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: you know, people who knew him from the refereeing world.

617
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, just to you.

618
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: Know, like I said, it's just a sad situation. But

619
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Speaker 4: I think some people definitely feel better having you know,

620
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: read more about him or heard more about him, or

621
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Speaker 4: talk more about him, you know, including his family. I

622
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: think it was you know, from talking to his family

623
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Speaker 4: Sunday and Saturday and Sunday, you know, just to you know,

624
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: kind of talk about him.

625
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 7: I think is helpful sometimes.

626
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 8: You know.

627
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Kyle, the you know, for it itself, I

628
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: guess two things here on this real quick to kind

629
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Speaker 1: of put a tie on all of it. The first

630
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: is we still don't know, because I and I understand

631
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: that it's probably almost bordering on invasive to ask. But

632
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: for you know, if someone is refereeing games, they obviously

633
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: have an interest in young people and helping young people

634
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: progress and learning, you know, and learning the game teaching

635
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: the game things like that. And one thing I've learned

636
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: about high school officials of note, you know, I've been

637
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: around and had the pleasure to meet some of them.

638
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Many of them do it because they love being around

639
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: high school kids and athletics and teaching the game and

640
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: watching the game and being a fan of the game

641
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: and of young people's appreciation of the game, And so

642
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: they lend their time for that. They ain't doing it

643
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: to be rich, right, I mean, they're doing it for

644
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: a love of the growth of the game. So in

645
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: that spirit there, possibly from a health standpoint, could be

646
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: something that people could learn from this tragedy of Jeff.

647
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: But we don't know yet what it was that was

648
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: the cause.

649
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: Of this, correct, Yeah, and it.

650
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I mean that's for pretty much where

651
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: it's you know, I can't you know, because I don't.

652
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: Know for sure, correct, I understand.

653
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some you know, the way the way it

654
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: happened would lead you to think it was it was

655
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: a heart situation, but yeah, we don't know for sure exactly, so,

656
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Speaker 4: you know, And I don't want to speak out a

657
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: turn to the family or whatever.

658
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, nor was I asking my point simply being there

659
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: is not, because the natural thing people hearing it would think,

660
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: especially with my initiatives towards heart health and things like that,

661
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: is hey, was there something with.

662
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Which we can learn or be aware?

663
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: And this short answer of that is, at this point

664
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: there is not definitive known cause as to what could

665
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: have caused this and possibly other health complications.

666
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: That were unaware.

667
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Uh, but there is no definitive answer, is what I

668
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: wanted to get at the other is, you know, how

669
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: was it handled in the moment by Monrovia or by

670
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: just administrators there to kind of help kids through this?

671
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

672
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 7: I mean I I you know I did.

673
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 4: I talked to John Gregacious the monrovi ad that night,

674
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 4: and you know, and everyone I talked to, you know,

675
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: including him, said, you know, they did everything possible. The

676
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: emergency EMTs, the emergency personnel were there quickly, and you know,

677
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: people came out of the you know, out of the

678
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: bleachers to help, you know, who were who were qualified,

679
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 4: and they got the kids out, you know, they got

680
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: the kids to the locker room, you know, and they

681
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: you know, they had everything there on site to do

682
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 4: the best they could in that situation. And and you know,

683
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: so I don't and the family told me that too,

684
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: and they, you know, they felt like, uh, you know,

685
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: everything possible was done to try to make you know,

686
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 4: to try to help Jeff out, and it just didn't happen.

687
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 7: So, you know, so I think I think they were ready.

688
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: I think there's been things happened in the past, you know,

689
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: just just generally around the country to make high schools

690
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: more ready for situations like this, you know, so I

691
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: think that helped, you know, But but honestly, you know,

692
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: it's just it's so sad because it just, you know,

693
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: you didn't get a positive outcome out of it.

694
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 7: And you know, I know, the min.

695
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 4: Rovia team got together on set. They were supposed to

696
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: play actually on Saturday morning against Try West. They obviously

697
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: canceled that game because of the situation, but they did

698
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: get together. They had breakfast together. They wanted to make

699
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: sure the girls weren't just at home, you know, by themselves,

700
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: so they did get together at least, and I know

701
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: they were, you know, planning to get back to school today.

702
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 4: I think they had yesterday off because of the weather.

703
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: But I'm sure you know, for those girls too, it's

704
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: just it's something you'll never forget. Obviously, but you know,

705
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: I think the fact that they were able to be

706
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 4: together as much as they could, and you know, they're

707
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: going to get a chance to continue their season and

708
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: you know the girls from Speedway too, and you know,

709
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 4: hopefully there's you know, something positive.

710
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 7: They're going to finish this game at some point.

711
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: I can't remember when the you know, when they'll play again,

712
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: but I'm sure that'll be something. With the teams back

713
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: together again, that can be some sort of a healing too.

714
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 7: But but yeah, from.

715
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: A standpoint of, you know, doing everything they could in

716
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: the moment, everything I've heard it was real, you know,

717
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: even like I said, from the family too, was real positive.

718
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 7: On that front.

719
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Kyle, Appreciate the time today and also, you know, letting

720
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: everybody know about that story, but more about Jeff, you

721
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean to let people know via The

722
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star, what kind of guy he was, the dedication

723
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: he had towards sports, in multi sports and helping out

724
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: with his expertise and officiating.

725
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: Appreciate the time today.

726
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 7: Man, for sure, Thanks Jerry.

727
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Edrip joining me on the job house peelmpor guest

728
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: line speaking of high school basketball football.

729
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: By the way, a.

730
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Double header coming up at the Colisseum Holiday Tournament's galore, right,

731
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: and we always love him. There's a new one coming

732
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: up at the Colisseum. I'll tell you about that. On

733
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: the other side, Scott Agnes Top of the hour, two

734
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: o'clock hour underway in Indianapolis, for that matter, of the

735
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Speaker 1: two o'clock hours underway everywhere in the Eastern time zone.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jake Querry Eddie Garrison. By the way,

737
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: have you been out yet, Kurt to the State Fairgrounds?

738
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: Not yet?

739
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: Okay, my understanding, My understanding. The and this is kind

740
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: of fun. So if you're wondering, and a lot of

741
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: people have asked where Eddie has been, and Scott Agne

742
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: is going to join his field House files just a second.

743
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: But I mentioned this the other day.

744
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Eddie took time off about two weeks ago and he

745
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: is in This is fun. As we know from listening

746
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: to this show, Eddie has an eight and five eighth

747
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: hat size and that puts him in like the upper

748
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: like two percentile or something like that. So he is

749
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: a member of what's known as the United States. And

750
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I kept saying association, and I apologize, I completely apologize.

751
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: It's the United States Big Head Federation, I said, association.

752
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: It's federation. It's an organization. I don't know who put

753
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: this together, but a bunch of people with big craniums.

754
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: So they.

755
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: One of the hat companies, I don't know which one

756
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: decided because there was an kind of an untapped market

757
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: with the Apparently the Big Head Federation membership continues to grow,

758
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: not unlike their heads, and so as a result of that,

759
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: they there was an increased conversation of you know, inclusiveness

760
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: for the hat industry, and they wanted to make sure

761
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: because a couple of years ago it became the rage

762
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: those big hats, that was like the big thing was

763
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: the big hats, and they there was some thought with

764
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: the BHF that that was actually in mockery and that

765
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, And so that began conversation and

766
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: dialogue with the hat manufacturers, and they were naive to

767
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Speaker 1: the fact that the Big Head Federation felt there were

768
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Speaker 1: a lot of people that felt like they couldn't buy

769
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: hats of their favorite team and their hat size. So

770
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: they wanted to go ahead and start making those hats,

771
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: and they wanted models, cranium models to come and do

772
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: photo shoots. So Eddie took a couple of weeks off

773
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Speaker 1: I don't know, or a day off a couple of

774
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I should say, to go up to Crown

775
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: Point Crown the keyword here and as part of the

776
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: BHF photo shoot, and he was not selected. However, when

777
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: they were doing the photo shoot, one of the things

778
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Speaker 1: they had challenged with was the lighting. And Eddie, because

779
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: of working in studios and in particular this one and

780
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: helping out with the he lended him some of the

781
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: lended them some of his expertise in lighting that he

782
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: learned at the University of Indianapolis and radio and television work,

783
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: and there happened to be a guy also fell a

784
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: BHF member that is one of those that helps out

785
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: with the winter lights at the fairgrounds. And so they

786
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: ran up short on time this year because of the

787
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: unexpected cold weather and et cetera, and they needed someone

788
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: with lighting expertise to come and help with the elves

789
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: lights that they have. If you go there, they ask

790
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: for you to count the elves as you drive through

791
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: the winter lights. Eddie is the designated elf lighter and

792
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: so they have hired him. He took a couple of

793
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: days off making big money and so not just the

794
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: head big here paycheck as well. So he is doing that.

795
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: So when you drive through the winter lights for the

796
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: fair grounds, when you see and it's a fun thing

797
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: for the kids to do to count the elves as

798
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: you drive through. When you're driving through to count the elves,

799
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: keep in mind those were developed, built and everything else.

800
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: And then can buy Eddie. He's out there doing that

801
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: right now. So that's and and there are several of them.

802
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: That's why it's taking him a couple of days. So

803
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: therefore you get some pinch hit bullpen hours.

804
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, he's a jack of all trades.

806
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: He is that jack. The key word joining us now

807
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: in the Java House Peel and poor guest line. He

808
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: is of course with Fieldhouse files covering the pacers Fever

809
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: as well. Scott Agnes Joints Just Scott, Happy holidays to you.

810
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: Happy holidays to you as well.

811
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 7: Enjoyed that story.

812
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: That was great.

813
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: Did you know that about Eddie?

814
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: No, that's why I was so enlightened.

815
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I appreciate it.

816
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Enlightened the key word speaking of enlightened. He can do

817
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: that as well because and again if you go through

818
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: look for the lighted elves. That's all that is entirely

819
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: Eddie's work. Just so you know, entirely Eddie's work. Scott,

820
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: let's get to this, I thought, and I get it.

821
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a team with the Pacers that

822
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: there are two ways to look at down years. One

823
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: is you just lose it. And maybe I'm biased because

824
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, I have a lot of love for the

825
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Pacers and I've been open about that, and it was

826
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: such you know, it was so invigorating what happened last

827
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: year during the finals run and now they are so down.

828
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: But yet because there's plausible explanation for it, they've been

829
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: able to get away with that because you're like, you

830
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: know what, it's the injuries, it's the attrition, it's the

831
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: new faces.

832
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: I get it.

833
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: But that game against Washington, that to me was the

834
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: first time this year where they laid a complete goose

835
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: egg that seemingly was inexplicable.

836
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I would agree with you there, Jake,

837
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: for sure.

838
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 8: And you could even go back how it started perhaps

839
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 8: two nights earlier in Philadelphia, where Pacers were on track,

840
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 8: they were leading, and they scored five points over the

841
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 8: final like eight twenty four outscored twenty to five. I

842
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 8: thought that would leave a bad taste in their mouths.

843
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 8: This is a team that is playing better in Philadelphia,

844
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 8: they saw Joelle Embiid have his best performance in two seasons.

845
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 8: Weal surprise he always plays well.

846
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 7: Against the Pacers.

847
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 8: But then yeah, everything that could go wrong against the Wizards,

848
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 8: who were the only team worse than the Pacers right

849
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 8: now record wise in the East did And the challenging part,

850
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 8: as I thought you alluded to well, is before it

851
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 8: was all understandable. This performance, know nothing about that was understandable.

852
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 8: Rick Carlisle even say post game it was unacceptable. We

853
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 8: can't do this. Ever, and to the point, we saw

854
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 8: him use a timeout one minute into the game, and

855
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 8: so you wonder, like, you know, Siakam's been their most

856
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 8: consistent guy since he has got here.

857
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: I can't say enough good things about him.

858
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 8: But you know, Nimhart didn't look completely healthy, still dealing

859
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 8: with an injury. Though he was out there, he was

860
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 8: questionable entering the game, missed his first eleven shots, very

861
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 8: unlike him. Matherin, There's been ups and downs, and really

862
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 8: the only player that's jumped out to me was center

863
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 8: Jay Huff inside.

864
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay Huff. To me, Scott looks like a guy.

865
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: I've always said that in sport sometime sometimes how or

866
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: where you were acquired factors into how you are evaluated.

867
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: And in the case of Jay Huff, I think the

868
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: timing of when he was acquired because of the Miles

869
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: Turner departure, and so people thought, Okay, this is the

870
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: Miles Turner replacement. I think we can now safely say

871
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: he is not that. However, whoever Miles Turner's long term

872
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: replacement is going to be once they have everybody back

873
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: in the stable, and I think that player is not

874
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: currently on the roster. I think Jay Huff has now

875
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: shown himself to be a situational, really nice eighteen to

876
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: twenty one minute off the bench piece once they get

877
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: that starting five in there.

878
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that assessment, I would.

879
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

880
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 8: I didn't expect him at all to come in and

881
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 8: be the savior, be the starter, but I know it

882
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 8: was kind of one of the first transactions after Miles

883
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 8: Turner moved on, and it was at the center spot.

884
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 8: But this is a guy, I think, if you understand

885
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 8: the circumstances here, this is a guy that got limited

886
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 8: action with them, but was very productive, and so the

887
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 8: Pacers liked that. They liked his characteristics, they liked what

888
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 8: the analytics told him, and that.

889
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: Has proven to be true.

890
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 8: He leads the league in total blocks, he leads the

891
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 8: league in blocks per forty eight minutes, all those attributes.

892
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 8: He's a good rebounder, can play the inside out game,

893
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 8: similar to Miles Turner, whereas Isaiah Jackson's a very different player,

894
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 8: more of a rim runner, more of a guy that's

895
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 8: around the basket and operatings. So yeah, I think moving forward,

896
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 8: I would not be surprised for j Huff to be

897
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 8: your backup center. But still there's that big missing piece

898
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 8: there at the starting role. And for now they're just

899
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 8: kind of coppling it together and in Red Carlisle's words,

900
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 8: doing it by committee.

901
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: By the way, Scott, this happened to us yesterday, and

902
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm just simply going to point it out because it's

903
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: the elephant the room and have fun with it.

904
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is.

905
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: It is strictly a beyond the control of anybody here,

906
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: like weird software bug. I don't know if Eddie like

907
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: tickered with something before it maybe and when doing the

908
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: light stuff, your voice sounds like you're on helium in

909
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: the way that like like you sound like accommodation here

910
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: of Kermit the Frog and Patrick Mahomes.

911
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of fun.

912
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever done the helium through a balloon and

913
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: then talking type deal?

914
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 8: No, I haven't, and I can promise you there's no

915
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 8: Joey Molnoro im precious and right now that's I know

916
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 8: we missed my hotline, but this is a little bit different.

917
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 7: You are.

918
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: You sound like you're on helium, So I'm gonna do

919
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: the helium voice. Scott agnes for one more question here?

920
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: You ready in terms of the health standpoint and you

921
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: know obviously PACER's next coming up Thursday at the field

922
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: House health standpoint and the return of those that we

923
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: have not seen in some time, not named Tyrese Haliburton.

924
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: Where do we stand.

925
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got a little bit clarity on it today

926
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 8: because the Pacers got the ten day hardshap exception. Therefore

927
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 8: we know I appreciate you getting through this. Ben Shephard

928
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 8: and Aaron Nesmith will be at least out the next

929
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 8: two weeks, so we did get clear pty on that front. Otherwise,

930
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 8: Obi top and don't expect any update from him until February.

931
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: By the way, can you just say for me, please

932
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: follow the yellow bick road.

933
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: Can you just say.

934
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 8: That, Jake, follow the yellow brick road.

935
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 7: Scott.

936
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

937
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to you now, But if

938
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: you go back and listen to the program later, Scott,

939
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: you'll understand totally why I asked you to do that.

940
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: You got it, man?

941
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 8: Why not Indiana?

942
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: I love it? That's trademark. By the way, why not Indiana?

943
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: I got all kinds of legal stuff going on with that.

944
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I've got now and I'm not

945
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: saying the names of any businesses that is not my

946
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: because it's gone beyond just in. It's outside Indiana, so

947
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: it's not Indiana businesses. But to why not Indiana trademark?

948
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: This trademark thing, man, it's legit. I got a guy,

949
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: I got an attorney. This chasing stuff down all over

950
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: the place.

951
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 8: Your timing was impeccable. When you go from the Pacers

952
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 8: to the Fever and now certainly number one Indiana Football,

953
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 8: it doesn't get much better than that.

954
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: That is indeed correct. Scott Agnes joining us