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Speaker 1: of your morning ritual. Later, chematologist Tony Browner will preview

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Speaker 1: his latest book, A Prouder Perspective, My fifty year Journey

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Speaker 1: to Enlightenment Now. The book chronicles Tony's and many trips

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Speaker 1: Henry Clark, and the movie Saints and Sinatas. But before

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Speaker 1: is the need for black people to develop a foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. But to get a started momentary

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Speaker 1: started the Philadelphia African American Children's book project. But first

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Speaker 1: us get Kevin to get the keys and open up

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Speaker 1: the classroom doors on this Thursday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, Carl Nelson.

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Speaker 3: I've got the keys here, jingling them around like Captain

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Speaker 3: Kangaroo or something.

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Speaker 2: I don't do it. Yes, anybody remembers Captain Kangaroo.

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Speaker 1: Hey suddenly do. But this is a special days because

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Speaker 1: this is to the actual birthday of doctor Martin Luther

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Speaker 1: King Junior. So let's not forget that. Yeah fifteenth, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, no, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: And he definitely left the contribution to the world and

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Happy anniversary of the birth of doctor Martin

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Speaker 2: This fifteenth of January to past the hour and six.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling come, I'm still learning, Kevin. What's going

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of learning, I think we are learning that

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Speaker 3: you can heckle the president and make a dime out

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Speaker 1: The suspended the American Way, the.

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Speaker 3: Suspended Michigan autoworker who heckled Trump is now getting an

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Speaker 3: And should I call him a gentleman, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: after he called Trump a pedophile protector d during the

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Speaker 3: now he has a gofund me account that helped cover

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah? But you know what's interesting that the Trump

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Speaker 3: Again, well, look, not only that, they called Barack Obama

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Speaker 5: No, I was sitting here and I was in gross

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Speaker 5: Well, I hopefully I can bring some literary magic to

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Speaker 1: that system, and asked, well, we'll stop using bandman. We'll

436
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Speaker 1: just say they're trying to restrict the books, because you're right,

437
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Speaker 1: they don't have that power over us. You know, we

438
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Speaker 1: can get the books, and this is what we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do, get the hand the books in the hands

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Speaker 1: about our youngsters. And also the fact is that how

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Speaker 1: do you feel, And I've got some folks that want

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Speaker 1: to join you as well, But before that, how do

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Speaker 1: you feel when you hear people say that black people

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Speaker 1: don't read.

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Speaker 5: I'm perplexed. I'm perplexed. Because maybe they don't read, and

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Speaker 5: maybe somebody who they know doesn't read. But publishing is

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Speaker 5: a business. They say this over and over again, and

448
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: we know that folks, if they got a business and

449
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Speaker 5: they continue to expand this business, they continue to publish books,

450
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Speaker 5: somebody is buying it. I have a phrase that I use,

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Speaker 5: preserve a legacy and buy a book. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: since we're talking about buying books, you can go all

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Speaker 5: the books that I'm talking about this morning. You can

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Speaker 5: find on my online website, the Literary Cafe, Books and events.

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Speaker 5: You can buy all of these books. I just loaded

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Speaker 5: up the last night five hundred new books of all

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Speaker 5: the participants in the African American Children's book There. But

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Speaker 5: you've helped so much to educate people about what's out there,

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Speaker 5: and the black media when I call them up, they

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Speaker 5: need to write about these books. They need to do

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Speaker 5: reviews about these books. You have to let people know

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Speaker 5: in order for people to know that there's these wonderful

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Speaker 5: books out there, and I believe some of it. I

464
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Speaker 5: always every time I'm on your show, I got to

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Speaker 5: bring somebody. It's almost like she's scared to being on

466
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Speaker 5: the show. By starf no I used every little second

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Speaker 5: I can to spread the word about these wonderful people,

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Speaker 5: about these wonderful books.

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Speaker 1: All right, we've got Charlie and Tracy online waiting. Can

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Speaker 1: you introduce them for us or start with Charlie first, Fin.

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Speaker 5: Asked, Okay, Charlie, you probably know the name because he

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Speaker 5: won the Image Award one of the categories last year

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Speaker 5: and it was the New Brownie Book, A love Letter

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Speaker 5: to Black Family. He also has a book he's an

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Speaker 5: illustrator that is the when they say bad is the

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Speaker 5: border House? I think that's not the phrase. But he

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Speaker 5: also illustrated a book called How Sweet the Sound, and

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Speaker 5: it celebrates black music with over eighty artists. Tracy also

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Speaker 5: and Trace, both of these are new people. Be at

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Speaker 5: the book fair this year for the first I've got

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Speaker 5: forty authors and illustrators coming to Philadelphia. Tracy works in

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Speaker 5: the industry and she can shed a light on why

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Speaker 5: these books continue to be published. But she tackles name.

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Speaker 5: She tackles people that like Ella Jenkins, who's the first

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Speaker 5: Lady of children's music. She does the kind of books.

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Speaker 5: For example, she did a book on Nina Simone, which

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Speaker 5: is one of my favorite books. And she wore that

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Speaker 5: topic out because I'm a big Nina Simone fan. So Charlie,

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Speaker 5: thank you. Tracy. We never met. I called them up

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Speaker 5: yesterday and I said, carl Nelson. They said, hey, I'm

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Speaker 5: there and it's sick all.

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Speaker 1: Right, and so let's go to Charlie first. Good Charlie

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Speaker 1: grand Rising, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, it's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: You're an illustrator and your book that you worked on,

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Speaker 1: how sweet the Sound? Can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'll try to make a very brief story.

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Speaker 8: I brant into Kwame Alexander at a book conference about

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Speaker 8: nine years ago, and of course he's a legend in

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Speaker 8: the book industry, and.

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Speaker 7: Said, hey, one day I'd love to work with you.

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Speaker 8: And so a year and a half ago, Kwame reached

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Speaker 8: out and said, hey, I got the perfect book for you.

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Speaker 7: It's about the history of music.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to say black music, because our music

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Speaker 8: is pretty much universal and it controls everything. And so

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Speaker 8: I looked at the manuscript but didn't really need to.

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Speaker 8: Once Kwame called and said I want you, I said

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Speaker 8: I'm in, and so we completed the project and it

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Speaker 8: came out this last summer, How sweet the.

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Speaker 1: Sound and Charlie you beginnings? How do you become an illustrated?

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Speaker 1: Is that a major in college now or it has been?

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Speaker 1: You know, how does one become is apprentice? So how

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Speaker 1: does that work?

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Speaker 7: That's a great question. I actually went to art.

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Speaker 8: Schools to become a fine artist and that's what I

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Speaker 8: do most of the time now is I do art

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Speaker 8: exhibits and art shows and everything. But I have thought

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Speaker 8: about a lot of parts. I just started sixty five

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Speaker 8: this summer, and it's like this that Washington said that

521
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Speaker 8: first you learn, then you earn, and then you return.

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Speaker 8: I feel I'm in my return phase. And then that

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Speaker 8: return phase, I want to focus on producing more books

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Speaker 8: about us, or at least us as the hear wall

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Speaker 8: as a focus in a children's book. And so I

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Speaker 8: went to school to be a fine artist, but started

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Speaker 8: easing into this children's book industry because I've always collected

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Speaker 8: children's books, and so it's kind of like a natural

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Speaker 8: transition for me.

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Speaker 1: So do you have children in yourself and where do

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Speaker 1: you draw inspiration from?

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Speaker 8: I love us, I love us, and so it's like,

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Speaker 8: you know, I have children, I have grandchildren, and so

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Speaker 8: it's kind of an inspiration, and I do want to

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Speaker 8: leave something as far as my legacy, and so I'm

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Speaker 8: always dedicating my books to my mom, or to my

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Speaker 8: children and my grandchildren, and my niece or my nephew

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Speaker 8: or these children I look at every day.

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Speaker 7: That just inspire me.

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Speaker 1: You know, Charlie, you said I love us, I love us.

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Speaker 1: You know how warming that is for here a black

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Speaker 1: man express love for another black man. I love us,

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Speaker 1: for black people. What's what you're doing because some of

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Speaker 1: us there's so much self hate gun around here. It's

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Speaker 1: just gratifying to hear a black persays I love us,

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Speaker 1: I love black people. We need to hear more about that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chiad.

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Speaker 7: It is unapologetic. I just don't want everyone.

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Speaker 8: I'll say I love children, and I said, wait, let

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Speaker 8: me correct that I love children.

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Speaker 7: But I especially love our children.

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Speaker 8: And the boys addressed that in the book that Vanessa

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Speaker 8: mentioned was a co author with my wife, doctor Creeda Brown,

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Speaker 8: the New Brownis Book.

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Speaker 7: The Boys addressed it.

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Speaker 8: He called them the children of the Sun, and he

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Speaker 8: talked about the idea in nineteen twenty there were no

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Speaker 8: positive images of our black children out there, and so

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Speaker 8: we started talking about the idea of how do we

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Speaker 8: continue to reinforce the truth of how powerful, beautiful and

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Speaker 8: intelligent our children are. And that's what that celebration of

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Speaker 8: New Browny's book and all the books that I'm involved

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Speaker 8: with are about, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, family, just checking in twenty six away from the

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Speaker 1: top of that, that's Charlie. Charlie Palmer is an illustrated

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Speaker 1: its las projects called How Sweet the Sound, also joined

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Speaker 1: by Tracy Online three Tracy out of Queen's New York,

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Speaker 1: Tracy grand Rising, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 9: Thank you. I'm so happy to be here and I'm

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Speaker 9: so honored to be in the presidence of Charlie Palmer.

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Speaker 10: I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know, you know what this

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Speaker 1: every time with Venz comes and brings these writers and

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Speaker 1: illustrators on. It seems like it's a whole world that

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Speaker 1: many of us don't know about. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: these and these award winning writers and illustrators at the

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Speaker 1: top of the game in there in there, you know,

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Speaker 1: profession what they do, the cream of the crop, But

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Speaker 1: the majority of people don't know. They know about a

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Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg and all that, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But you guys just don't get the publicity that you

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Speaker 1: deserve because you, in my estimation, you're done much much

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Speaker 1: more than those are the folks are doing who get

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Speaker 1: all the ink as I should say, so, so, Tracy,

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Speaker 1: what's your role in the African American Book Ming.

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Speaker 5: With Tracy, I just wanted to say that the authors

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Speaker 5: and illustrators come from the four corners of the United States,

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Speaker 5: and many of them call it the Black Literary Family

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Speaker 5: Reunion because it's they're coming from all over the country.

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Speaker 5: But you kept you said it, well, people need to

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Speaker 5: hear more and it's people like you that's elevating these books.

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Speaker 5: Go on, do your thing, curl.

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Speaker 1: I thank you man. Tracy. Your role in in the

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Speaker 1: African American Book Fair.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm so sorry I'm cutting in and out.

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Speaker 9: I guess so I got I didn't hear the question, the.

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Speaker 1: Questions about what what's your role in the book Fair?

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Speaker 9: Oh so I am going to be an author there

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Speaker 9: for the first time it's been as a consumer. I've

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Speaker 9: been a couple of times as a consumer, and I

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Speaker 9: really love the book Festival and I'm honored to be

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Speaker 9: a part of it. Thank you for having me this year.

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Speaker 4: Veness.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so I will be there promoting all of my books,

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Speaker 9: but especially make a pretty fund, which is about Ella Jenkins,

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Speaker 9: who is a children shouldn't she We just lost her

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Speaker 9: last year. She died after living one hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Your phone's going in and out on us twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four minutes away from the top. Get closer to that

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Speaker 1: phone at first, Tracy, because you're going to you're cutting

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Speaker 1: in and out on us twenty four minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top. They are, Yeah, tell us about do you

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Speaker 1: have children? Do you have to? And probably it is

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Speaker 1: a question vnesqu can answer when we get back from

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Speaker 1: the break. Do you have to have children to really

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Speaker 1: write a children's books? Do you have children? Tracy? All right,

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Speaker 1: Tracy's we lost Tracy. Let's go take the break. We

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Speaker 1: gotta check the news. We'll come back. Maybe Venese can

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Speaker 1: answer that question for us. Twenty three minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top, day Ot Faundly, we gonna take our first

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Speaker 1: look at the news, traffic, where the sports in that

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Speaker 1: different cities. You want to get in on this conversation

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Speaker 1: with that group from the African American Philadelphia African Americans

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Speaker 1: Children's Book Project reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls after we check the news and the traffic

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Speaker 1: and the weather in not different cities. That's next, and

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday morning, January fifteenth, a very seamnificant day in

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Speaker 1: our history. You know what it is. Seventeen minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top of the hour. Sister Vanessa's here with

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Speaker 1: she's the she created the African American Children's Book Project

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and we're discussing the book fail that's taking

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Speaker 1: place before we go back to the limitary mind. You

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Speaker 1: speak about books though. Brother Tony Brown is going to

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Speaker 1: be here with his latest book is the Lettis book

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Speaker 1: is called a Browder Perspective, my fifty year journey to Enlighten.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us. Before we hear from Brother Tony,

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Speaker 1: we're going to speak with Roger Wareham from the December

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Speaker 1: twelfth Movement. And tomorrow, of course Friday, so we're going

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Speaker 1: to give me a chance to start a king weekend

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Speaker 1: with us, and our open Phone Friday program begins at

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Speaker 1: six am Eastern time. Give you a chance to free

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Speaker 1: your mind right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 1: and also in the DMV fourteen fifty WL. So, Vanessa,

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Speaker 1: my question to you before we left for the news

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Speaker 1: up day was most of the people participate, the writers,

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Speaker 1: the illustrators, they all do they all have children. Is

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Speaker 1: that is that a common theme amongst you, amongst your guests.

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Speaker 5: No, some of them don't have children. I think the

652
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Speaker 5: common thing is they love Black people and they want

653
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Speaker 5: to tell their stories. I was hoping we could get

654
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Speaker 5: Tracy back, because Tracy is one of the few people

655
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Speaker 5: I've had on the air with you. She's worked with

656
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Speaker 5: every major publishing house in the children's book world, you know, Abrams, Penguin,

657
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 5: Random House, Little Bee Workmen, and she could have answered

658
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 5: that question about black blacks and publishing. I'm sorry we

659
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: couldn't get her on, but hopefully we can get her

660
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Speaker 5: on another time. But I think the passion comes from

661
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 5: people's love of black people and love of black stories

662
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: that are not elevated. And I want to remind people

663
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 5: the rich history of black people is so prevalent. When

664
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Speaker 5: you read these children's books, they're designed obviously for children,

665
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 5: but you can sit down and read book after books

666
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: and have an aha moment about the rich history of

667
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 5: Black people. When we came out of slavery, we did

668
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 5: not sit around and were looking for a check. When

669
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Speaker 5: we came out of slavery, we created businesses, We created

670
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 5: inventions that were probably being done while we were enslaves.

671
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: We created universities, and I may be wrong, but I

672
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Speaker 5: think as an ethnic group, Black Americans is the largest

673
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Speaker 5: ethnic group to create so many universities and colleges. We

674
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Speaker 5: did not sit around, and that's shown in the stories

675
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Speaker 5: of these children's books that I bring to life. At

676
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Speaker 5: my African American Children's Books there adults who attended as

677
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 5: children now bring their children because it's important for us

678
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: as children, all children, even adults, access and choice. You

679
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 5: need to be able to choose what you like, and

680
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 5: you need to have the access. At most bookstores, even

681
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 5: some of the black independence don't have a lot of

682
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Speaker 5: shelf states to display children's books in the way that

683
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Speaker 5: they should be done. Even some of the libraries, their

684
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: budgets are being cut, so they have to look and

685
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 5: see what they think that being on the shelf. So

686
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 5: people start, you know, as a kid, remember that is

687
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: set up Encyclopedia Britanica, you edit your house. I think

688
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: every black person, no matter how poor they were, somehow

689
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 5: their mother, we could still be paying for our set,

690
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Speaker 5: you know, right.

691
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, Venice, let's be let me

692
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Speaker 1: ask Charlie a question as an illustrator and a writer.

693
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Speaker 1: You know, Charlie, it's thirteen minutes away from the top

694
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Speaker 1: day our family, and shout out our teachers before that,

695
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: teachers will hope that teachers, many of our teachers are

696
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: listening this morning. We've got a group of teachers across

697
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: the country listening to us every morning, so I hope

698
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Speaker 1: they enjoyed this conversation. But Charlie, as an illustrator and

699
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Speaker 1: a writer, do you use your is the people, your

700
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Speaker 1: children and your grand children, those are the ones that

701
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Speaker 1: you use. You try out your work on them first

702
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: before you make your public.

703
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Speaker 7: You know what, that's a great question. Not until my

704
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 7: last project. It's like, and I really thought, like.

705
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Speaker 8: Let me run this by some you know, eight year old,

706
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 8: nine year old, ten year olds, and I actually pay

707
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Speaker 8: them for it. I'm like, listen, this is called editing.

708
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 8: And so I want you to sit down, read these

709
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Speaker 8: stories and give me a review. And they did that,

710
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 8: and we got really great feedback.

711
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Speaker 7: But prior to that, it hadn't crossed my mind. I

712
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 7: do use them as my models often.

713
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Speaker 1: Do you think any of them shown any promise that

714
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Speaker 1: they want to do what you're doing?

715
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Speaker 11: Now?

716
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Speaker 7: You know what? I think?

717
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Speaker 8: They're all, like the ones I've asked, are very interested

718
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Speaker 8: in writing. They're intrigued by me, Uncle Charlie or Grandpa

719
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 8: as an artist, but a lot of them are really

720
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Speaker 8: getting more interested in the idea of writing stories.

721
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Speaker 1: All right, And you've done other books other than How

722
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Speaker 1: Sweet the Sound and tell Us of some of the

723
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Speaker 1: other books that you've.

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Speaker 8: Done, all right, So I uh so the next project

725
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Speaker 8: is coming out will be a book with Billy Porter,

726
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 8: the actor, entertainer, singer, and it's called Songbird Into the Light.

727
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Speaker 7: And what I what drew me to the manuscript is the.

728
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Speaker 8: Idea of finding your voice, and that message was really

729
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 8: important to me, the idea that we all are here

730
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Speaker 8: for a reason and we just got to find what

731
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Speaker 8: that is. And so he talks about being an awkward,

732
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Speaker 8: weird kid that didn't quite fit in, but he found

733
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Speaker 8: that his strengths was his amazing voice. And so those

734
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Speaker 8: kinds of messages become very important to me. Another book

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Speaker 8: that came out about three months ago is it's called

736
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Speaker 8: a Tale of a Tale or a song of two

737
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 8: Homes I'm sorry, And it's about a little child who is,

738
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Speaker 8: you know, faced with the idea that her parents are

739
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Speaker 8: about to divorce and so now she's the choice of

740
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 8: two homes, mom or dad, or.

741
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Speaker 7: Living between the two homes.

742
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Speaker 8: And many of us have gone through that, but I

743
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 8: don't know how many times it's been written about. And

744
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 8: so that was another one that's kind of spoke to

745
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Speaker 8: me because it's a real life situation and how do

746
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Speaker 8: you handle that? And so those those were the projects

747
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 8: that just came out, were about to come out in March,

748
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Speaker 8: all right.

749
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Speaker 1: Ten away from the top of our family just joined us.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's a sister, Vanessa's. She's put on the

751
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia African American children's book projects, the Book Fair for Children,

752
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Speaker 1: and she does that every year. And we're just hearing

753
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Speaker 1: the voice of Charlie Palmer. He's an illustrator. He'll be

754
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Speaker 1: there and talk about his latest book, How Sweet the Sound.

755
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Speaker 1: So Vanessa, you know, forgot to ask you, what's the

756
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Speaker 1: date of this year's This year is Fair, the.

757
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Speaker 5: Thirty fourth annual African American Children's Book There. It's Saturday,

758
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Speaker 5: February seventh, from one to four pm. Folks, come up,

759
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Speaker 5: take the train, bus or getting your car. There's a

760
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: lot to still see. The African American Museum is just

761
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 5: down the road, a lot historical. Marion Anderson's house is

762
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 5: not that far away. So make a day or you know,

763
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Speaker 5: come up and you know, find an inexpensive hotel and

764
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Speaker 5: bring the children. We are kicking off at this particular event,

765
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Speaker 5: the two hundred and fiftieth Celebration of Black Elegance. Excellent,

766
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Black excellence as seen in the through the

767
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Speaker 5: lens of Black children's books. It's so much history in

768
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Speaker 5: those children's books. On Wikipedia has a timeline, if you

769
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Speaker 5: get the chance, the timeline of Black children's literature. The

770
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Speaker 5: African American Children's Book Fair is the only major events

771
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: that's listed in nineteen ninety two is listed on that timeline.

772
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Speaker 5: That's from the seventeen hundredth to current and there's so

773
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Speaker 5: much history of what Black people were, their presence in

774
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: the world of books in the twenties, the eighteen hundreds.

775
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 5: It's really really an interesting perspective but I want to

776
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 5: remind people the best in the brightnesses will be there.

777
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 5: Kadeer Nelson, who wrote the book Please, Baby Please, has

778
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 5: not been out on the road for over twenty years,

779
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 5: and he's coming to the book Fair. You've had a

780
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Speaker 5: lot of Ev Lewis, you had Alexe Faith Duncan on

781
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: last week, Carol Boston Weatherford, Eric de langqrist Debacca Steptoe.

782
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Speaker 5: And what's unique about this book fair? And it's not intentional,

783
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: but it just so happens that the books that I

784
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 5: love are books that have won major American Library Association awards.

785
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 5: And for those educators out there, I want to make

786
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Speaker 5: sure that you have access to these books to use

787
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Speaker 5: in your classroom libraries. So a lot of my corporate

788
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: sponsors will be giving away those books at the book Fair.

789
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 5: Got to present a proper id so you walk away

790
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 5: with something that you can take back to your classrooms,

791
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 5: meet the person who wrote and illustrated the book, as

792
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: well as have a fun day being amongst people, all people,

793
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: because it isn't just a black event. People from all

794
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 5: demographics attend this event. It's Saturday, February the seventh at

795
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Speaker 5: the Pennsylvania Convention Center for more information, you can call

796
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 5: two one five eight seven eight book and if you

797
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 5: can't make it, please support black books, Preserve a legacy

798
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: and bibooks. You can go to my website, the Literary Cafe,

799
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Speaker 5: Books and events, and all the books that we've spoken

800
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Speaker 5: about today you can find on on the site. This

801
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 5: has been a really difficult year to raise funds for

802
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: this event. Many of my corporate sponsors decided not to

803
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: come back on board for whatever reason. But you know,

804
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Speaker 5: as my mama would say, one monkey, don't stop in

805
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 5: the show. We are going to continue to grow, continue

806
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: to drive, and continue to spread the word about the

807
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Speaker 5: beauty and the magnificent creativity of black people in this country.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, though it's saving away from

810
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Speaker 1: the top INFINESCIA. We're in the digital age now, has

811
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Speaker 1: the internet AI all you know, all these other issues,

812
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: new issues that are coming down. Uh has it impacted

813
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: the black book the children's books? Have you seen people

814
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: can now create? They don't need to write, they can

815
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: use you know, chat GTP, and they don't need to

816
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: get illustrateds. I don't want to put thoughts in people's minds,

817
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: but is that is that reached you? Your your production.

818
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: Yet there are bubblehead books, as I call them, in

819
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 5: the industry, and a lot of publishers have found them attracted.

820
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 5: But there's still a lot of wonderful artists who are

821
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: producing and illustrating black children's books, people like Charlie, like

822
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: Eric Blanquet, Ebie Lewis, Javaka Stepto. They're still doing the

823
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 5: work because these artists come from that world of fine art.

824
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 5: And Frank Lson is another one who is an amazing,

825
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 5: amazing artist, and they're still doing the work. And I'll

826
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Speaker 5: be honest with you, I gravitate more towards those types

827
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Speaker 5: of books. And I think the average consumer when they

828
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 5: see a beautiful book illustrated by about Edna Lewis, the

829
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 5: Chef by Cosby Cabrera, you want to buy that book

830
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 5: as opposed to a bobble hit book. So it's there.

831
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 5: But you know, I said to someone the other day,

832
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: I went online and I saw this wonderful information that

833
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: AI had created about my company and me and the

834
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: book fair So you know, I was like, oh, Okay,

835
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Speaker 5: that's good, but I'm sure there are other things down

836
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Speaker 5: the road that AI may There's you got to sit

837
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 5: on the fence. Sometimes you can find informative information and

838
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: then sometimes it's distorted. Like everything in life. I'm in

839
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 5: a wait and see position right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, five away from the top of our family,

841
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: just checking and just waking up this morning. I guess

842
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: it's just a Vanessa. Just heard her. She's she started

843
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: the African American Children's Book Project and it's a book

844
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: fair that's taking place in Philadelphia next month of Black

845
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: History Month. That's where it's taking place. And also we

846
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: have one of the illustrators is going to be there.

847
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: His name is Charlie Palmer. And what I like about

848
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: this the book fair though, all the top tier black

849
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 1: writers and illustrators are there, and it's a world onto

850
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: their own, you know, and they need to get more exposure.

851
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned the other folks get exposure because our children

852
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: know about them. We need to get these books into

853
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: the hands of our children, and this is what we do.

854
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: That's why we'd like to feature some of these writers

855
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: and some of these illustrators because a lot of people

856
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: not giving them any ink. Just to be straight up

857
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: with you, and this is very very productive for our

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Speaker 1: young people. So Charlie, before we go to the break though,

859
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: what's your next project? What are you working on next?

860
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Speaker 1: Want that you can share with us?

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00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 8: You know what right now I'm actually working on I've

862
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 8: written it illustrated a book called The Legend of Gravity

863
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 8: and received quite of a lot of attention in fact

864
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Speaker 8: reading Rainbow had announced that they're going to be reading

865
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Speaker 8: it coming up soon. But I have a sequel to

866
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 8: that called Put Some gam on It, and so I've

867
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 8: just finished the manuscript for that. And i have one

868
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 8: other project like that was called I Want to Be

869
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 8: a Superhero, and it's really about everyday heroes, and so

870
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 8: I wrote and I'm one of the illustrating that as.

871
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 8: So those are the next two projects I'll be working on.

872
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: All right, Hold that all right there, as I make

873
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: sure we're going to step aside and check the trafficing weather,

874
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: not different cities four minutes away from the top of

875
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: the air. Family, you want to get in on this conversation,

876
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: it's sister Vanessa Charlie Palmer. Reach out to us at

877
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six,

878
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: and we'll ticket phone calls after we look at the

879
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: traffic and weather in not different cities. That's next and

880
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us.

881
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: These almost at December January fifteenth, you know, very significant

882
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: day in our history. Well today our guess. There's a

883
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: sister of Vanessa, and she, sist of VanNess, puts on

884
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia African American Children's Book Project. It's a book fair.

885
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: It's GOMA in Philly and it's starting next month and

886
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: she's brought with her one front of her illustrators, Charlie Palmer. Mama,

887
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: tell A, we're going to speak with brother Roger Ware

888
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: them from the December twelfth movement, but let's wrap up

889
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: with sister Vanessa and Charlie Palmer as well for their

890
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: event that's taking place in Philly, and we're going to

891
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: have some of the authors come on. Because it's important

892
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: that our children read. We got to start them reading

893
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: at this at a young age. And it's great that

894
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: they have illustrators. Hey, you know sometimes they can connect

895
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: they connect the words with the drawings in the books.

896
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: So this is a good way to get them started

897
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: to learn how to read. Charl is there anything else

898
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: you want to add before we let you go?

899
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 7: You know, this one quick quick plug off. So we

900
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 7: were talking about education earlier.

901
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 8: My wife wrote a book called The Battle for the

902
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 8: Black Mind, and it came out last year. She did

903
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 8: nine years of research around the world to see what

904
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 8: bleget black education looks like. And so I think it's

905
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 8: really important that Like, one of the things that she

906
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 8: said in that book that really surprised me is when

907
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 8: it came to education in the South, the African African

908
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 8: American was instrumental and educating our youth before white people were.

909
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 8: And when I heard that, I'm like, are you mistaken?

910
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 8: She says, no, I did thorough research, and we were

911
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 8: so determined to educate our kids. And so it's like

912
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 8: that is one of those like misunderstood things that people

913
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 8: don't understand, is how much we as a race of

914
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 8: people value education and reading.

915
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 7: I think that's really.

916
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 4: Important to me.

917
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it reminds me of the lay

918
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: congressman from Compton told me that Mervin Diamony. He says

919
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: education is the equalizer in this country. He says, whatever

920
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: you do, keep reminding our people never never, never, never

921
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: give up on education. That's the great equalizer in this country.

922
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: That's what and you know, over the years is proven right.

923
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: Sistem for Nash what more do we need to know

924
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: about the book? For others? Coming up next month, it's.

925
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 5: A free event. It's Saturday, February the seventh, from one

926
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 5: to four pm and it's open to the public. Brother Napi,

927
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 5: who a lot of people know, he's based in Baltimore.

928
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 5: He's the biggest black book distributor in the world, will

929
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 5: come with the Wild an amazing array of books for

930
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 5: children preschool to young adults and all. When I tell

931
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 5: you their wark when the Caldercot Newbery credit Scott King

932
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 5: American Library Associating New York Times, that's selling. Authors will

933
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 5: be there and we haven't set up so you can

934
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 5: go and just talk to them. It's not Panels. I

935
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: didn't want Panels. I wanted a time for kids to

936
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 5: be able to touch and fill the books, but also

937
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 5: to walk up and get to know people who look

938
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 5: like themselves. And that's important, and it's important, as I

939
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 5: close out, If you want your children to read, you

940
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 5: got to give them choice. You got to let them

941
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 5: decide what they want to read, not what you think

942
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 5: is popular, not even what the teacher says he needs

943
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 5: to be reading. That you got to start them. And

944
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 5: the only way to do that is give them access

945
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 5: and on my online book they can go through the

946
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 5: different books and say I like this or I like that.

947
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 5: And a lot of the books are affordable because they're

948
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 5: in paperback versions. And for the educators out there, please

949
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 5: reach out to me two point five eight seven eight book.

950
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: We do book fairs, workshops, I read to see me

951
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 5: in school presentations, guidance on establishing home libraries, as well

952
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 5: as advocacy initiatives to promote Black American children's literature around

953
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 5: the world. And carl thank you and thank you words

954
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 5: cannot I'm getting a little emotional here because you gave

955
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 5: me an hour and all these literary creators the opportunity

956
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 5: to tell their stories. I just heard from Charlie about

957
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: his wife's book. We got to get her on the

958
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 5: air because that's an interesting topic. And this is how

959
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 5: we need to stay connected. And I invite everyone, don't

960
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 5: come up with no drama. Okay, come up with being

961
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 5: correct when I say no drama. Feed your kids, be

962
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 5: for the come okay kids, because usually when the kids

963
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 5: starts acting out, it's not because they're bad. They hungry. Okay,

964
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 5: at any rate, on a lighter you don't have to

965
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 5: leave with a lighter note, and I remind people a

966
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 5: book opens up a world of opportunities.

967
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: There you go. I love that six have the tough doubt.

968
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Vaness s thank and we'll have some more of your

969
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: your your illustrators and writers on before the book fair,

970
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: because we wanted enough people to go to the book fair.

971
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: And it's not just it's a children's books fair, but

972
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: adults can read these books as well. I mean, this

973
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: is this is the real good books and some of

974
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: the topics that are some of these writers have done

975
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: and these are award winning writers and illustrators that we

976
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: have in our community that we don't know about. This

977
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: is why we like to focus on what you're doing.

978
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: And we're going to start our children at an early

979
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: age from you know, wanting to read, wanting to have knowledge,

980
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: want to learn every day. That's why we appreciate you, Veness,

981
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: and thank you for what you do.

982
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 5: Thank you, Carl, have a great day, and tell that

983
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: fabulous wife of you thank you.

984
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Vaness, all right, family, and after the

985
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: top day, I just bringing our brother from New York City,

986
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to be exactly brother Roger Wareham, Grand rising brother Roger.

987
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: Welcome back.

988
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 12: To the program Grand Rising, and thank you for the invitation.

989
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: You know what you were with the December twelfth moment,

990
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: and so you know you've been on before. But the

991
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: folks probably don't know what the December twelfth Movement is

992
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: all about. Can you share how it all started, what

993
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: you guys do in Pan African group? But what else

994
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: is beyond that? What should people know about the December

995
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: twelfth Movement.

996
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 12: The December twelfth Movement arose out of the struggle of

997
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 12: black people to change and improve the quality of our life.

998
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 12: You know, we came together around you know, as we

999
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 12: can see happening today, issues around police brutality, around attacks

1000
00:52:53,920 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 12: on black people by white vigilantes, the struggle for for jobs,

1001
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 12: and struggle for quality health care. That's what we arose

1002
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 12: out of. There was particular incidents that had happened back

1003
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 12: in New York, New York State in nineteen eighty seven,

1004
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 12: and a group of different groups of black people came

1005
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 12: together from around New York State and on December twelfth,

1006
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 12: nineteen eighty seven, held a statewide rally against police brutality

1007
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 12: and the type of attacks we still see happening today

1008
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 12: to black people. And out of that it was a coalition,

1009
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 12: and out of that the groups that stayed together became

1010
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 12: the December twelfth Movement and took up to continue that struggle.

1011
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 12: The following week, we held what was called a Day

1012
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 12: of Outrage in New York City, and the idea behind

1013
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 12: the Day of Outrage was that as long as our

1014
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 12: community was under attack, we were not going to let

1015
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 12: business go on as usual in New York City. And

1016
00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 12: it was a highly coordinated demonstration that shut down the subways,

1017
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 12: backed up traffic around New York City, basically brought New

1018
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 12: York City to a halt as a statement of things

1019
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 12: can't go on as usual while we're under attack. And

1020
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 12: from that we continued. The work that we did was

1021
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 12: really a lot of it we attribute to the teachings

1022
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 12: of Malcolm X and who taught us that not only

1023
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 12: do we need to fight nationally, but we need to

1024
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 12: fight internationally. We need to take our struggle to the

1025
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 12: international arena. And part of that work over the last

1026
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 12: forty years has been the question of participating in the UN,

1027
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 12: participating in the African Union, participating and different international bodies

1028
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 12: to show the commonality of our struggle here with African

1029
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 12: people around the world. So that's the context in which

1030
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 12: we're dealing with a couple of topics today. I wanted

1031
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 12: to say two things just to start. One was I

1032
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 12: thought that segment was great in terms of the Black

1033
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,959
Speaker 12: books and children. At our head quarters in New York,

1034
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 12: we were signed by the door with the picture of

1035
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 12: Stephen Beko, who is the leader of the Black Consciousness

1036
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 12: movement in South Africa, and he made this statement. It

1037
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 12: said that the most potent weapon of the oppressor is

1038
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 12: the mind of the oppressed. And I think that the

1039
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 12: segment that you just stayed around children's books, around the

1040
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 12: importance of reading is crucial in terms of the critical thinking,

1041
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 12: an analysis that's necessary for us to make sure that

1042
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 12: our minds are in our control and not in the

1043
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 12: control of those who are oppressed. The other point I'd

1044
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 12: like to make is that in terms of the history

1045
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 12: of the December twelfth Movement, the leader there were five

1046
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 12: folks from the Black Liberation Struggle who were the founders

1047
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 12: of the December twelfth Movement, Viral, Plumber Culture and Shimmeranga

1048
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 12: Father Lawrence Lucas, Elmbay Brath and Sonny Abubadka Carson. On

1049
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 12: January fifteenth, two years ago, go Viola Plumber passed and

1050
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 12: just wanted to do a shout out to our people.

1051
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 12: Viola Plumber was my political mentor for over fifty years.

1052
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 12: She was the leader of the December Twelfth when she

1053
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 12: really embodied the attributes of a latter day Harriet Tubman.

1054
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 12: So we want all those people who know the was

1055
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 12: the December twelfth movement to remember that on.

1056
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 7: This day she passed.

1057
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 12: You know, it's ironic and maybe fittingly on doctor on

1058
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 12: Doctor King's birthday.

1059
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: Well, a couple of those folks I know or knew

1060
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: how she say, especially Elambi Brath when I started in

1061
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: this business. He was he was ever present at our

1062
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: studios in Harlem, the wli B. And it amazed me

1063
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: how much knowledge this this is a little bit, you know, yeah,

1064
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: was at his style. How much knowledge that he had,

1065
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: not just about what was going on the state side,

1066
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: but what was going on on the continent in the Caribbean.

1067
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: It was just I'm just wondering, what is the guy

1068
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: I got all this? You know, guys, I was just

1069
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: fresh out of college and I'm like, Wow, this dude,

1070
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 1: he's he's just he's just a founding of information. Because

1071
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: as you probably know you're in New York that he

1072
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: was with the producer Gill Nobles like it is and

1073
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: all those uh, all those folks that Guill Nobles and

1074
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: and for the other folks around the country, kill Noble

1075
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: was was was one of the top well probably at

1076
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: the time the top black journalists and some of the

1077
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: people that we've had on this program. You know, he

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Speaker 1: had them on it before. Some of that have gone.

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Speaker 1: Some of the lions of some of the scholars he

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Speaker 1: he had, He had the whorlwithal to put them on

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Speaker 1: on commercial ABC TV. You know, some of our folks

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Speaker 1: have the ability to do that, but they're just they're

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Speaker 1: just afraid because they might may accept upset somebody else

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Speaker 1: somebody else. But Gill Noble through Alombay uh put all

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Speaker 1: these these scholars on on TV and we could watch

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Speaker 1: them on the weekends on on W A b C.

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Speaker 1: Like it is great, great program. But use something intrigued

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Speaker 1: me what you just said, Roger. He said that we

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Speaker 1: basically that we need to have a h we need

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Speaker 1: to develop a sort of a foreign policy amongst ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Where are you going with this?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think and I think you know what you

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00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 12: said alombaie Elombai. Before and before there was Google and

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Speaker 12: before there were search engines, there was a Lambay.

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Speaker 7: He was just a walking uh encyclopedia.

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Speaker 12: And one of the things the Lambe came out of

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Speaker 12: the movement to Carlos Cooks and and and Garvey, who

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00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 12: understood the importance of where black people are and where

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Speaker 12: we have to struggle.

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Speaker 7: And to know what was going on around the world.

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Speaker 7: And so.

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Speaker 12: He the December twelfth movement when we began, we you know,

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Speaker 12: our leaders brought that, brought that with us and we

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Speaker 12: incorporated that. And in terms of NLCOMS teaching that black people,

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Speaker 12: we can't act as if the United States a foreign

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Speaker 12: policy represents that of black people or should represent of

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Speaker 12: that Black people. We shouldn't confuse the fact that we're

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Speaker 12: born here, we may have US passports with confusing that

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Speaker 12: with the idea that what the US government is doing

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Speaker 12: represents our interests. And so when we talk about black

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Speaker 12: people having a foreign policy, we have to look at

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Speaker 12: what's going to speak to our situation. And one case

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Speaker 12: in point recently, there is a whole situation around Venezuela,

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Speaker 12: and we've seen protests around the country around what the

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Speaker 12: United States went in by kidnapping a sovereign head of

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Speaker 12: state and his wife and bringing them to the United

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Speaker 12: States in terms of the violation of all sorts of

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Speaker 12: international laws. But in those protests, we haven't seen a

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Speaker 12: large number of black people, and I think some of

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Speaker 12: that's just tied to that. We just don't know. Uh,

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Speaker 12: you know, what would you know was why should black people?

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Speaker 12: We have you know, we say why should black people

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Speaker 12: support Venezuela. We put out a press statement around why

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Speaker 12: should black people support Venezuela? Why should we understand that

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Speaker 12: attack on Venezuela is really going to be part of

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Speaker 12: an attack on black people. Venezuela is a country whose

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Speaker 12: whose past to presidents Google Chavis and Nicolas Maduro UH

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Speaker 12: took up the issue of how do we improve under socialism?

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Speaker 12: How do we improve the quality of life of our

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Speaker 12: people in our country? But and what they did was Venezuela,

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Speaker 12: as many people know, has the largest oil reserves in

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Speaker 12: the world. But prior to President Chavez taking office, UH,

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Speaker 12: those those the profits from those oil revenues went to

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Speaker 12: US companies and to the elite in Venezuela. And what

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Speaker 12: President Charvis did was under the Bolavarian Revolution redirected the

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Speaker 12: profits from the oil to the people of Venezuela. They

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Speaker 12: increased the literacy rate, they provided free health care. So

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Speaker 12: the idea was that the benefits from the country should

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Speaker 12: go to the people of the country, not to a

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Speaker 12: small elite. And so what that meant.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, look all right there, Roger, I let yourix found

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Speaker 1: on it. When we get back, we got to take

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Speaker 1: a short break. I forgot to shout out to Elombe's

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Speaker 1: son who's always listening to us in other country. And

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Speaker 1: we just remind the folks too that young Lewis Farkhan

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Speaker 1: was part of those Friday meetings as well. That's where

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Speaker 1: he taped his shows that when we have these discussions

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Speaker 1: about what was going on worldwide, about black folks worldwide,

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Speaker 1: he was part of the one of those discussions, one

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Speaker 1: of the people who contributed to those discussions. And these

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Speaker 1: are some deep conversations we used to have. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, we got to take the break in

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Speaker 1: seventeen minutes. Off the top of our family, you want

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Speaker 1: to get in this conversation with Roger Wareham for the

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Speaker 1: December twelfth movement, just reach out to us. It eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and grind rising family. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Thursday morning. I guessed

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Speaker 1: his brother Roger Wareham from the December twelfth movement before

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Speaker 1: we left for the break, it was telling us about

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Speaker 1: why we should be concerned what's going on in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: So help us out again, Roger. For the folks who

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Speaker 1: wanted they say Venezuela, South America has got nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with us and all of this that's their fight.

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Speaker 1: Let's sit it out. Tell us why we should be involved.

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Speaker 1: What is about Venezuela that we don't know that you

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Speaker 1: want us to know?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 12: Venezuela is First of all, it's a large the more

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Speaker 12: than half the population is black. When President Chavez and

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Speaker 12: Maduro took over, as I said, not only did they

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Speaker 12: begin to redirect the profits from the oil industry from

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Speaker 12: the US corporations in the small elite in Venezuela, they

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Speaker 12: used it to improve the conditions of the people in

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Speaker 12: their country, but not only that, they went outside the country.

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Speaker 12: A lot of black people, some people may probably your

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Speaker 12: listening audience may remember that back in the early part

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Speaker 12: of the two thousands, Venezuelas provided low costs or free

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Speaker 12: boil to black and brown communities in the United States

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Speaker 12: at a point in time when people could not afford

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Speaker 12: the oil during the winter, and the United States the

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Speaker 12: government of the United States did nothing to subsidize that.

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Speaker 12: Venezuela provided that they did that in the United States.

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Speaker 12: They did that in the Caribbean a few years ago

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Speaker 12: after Hurricane Katrina, when everybody knows the devastation that was

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Speaker 12: caused our community, it was Venezuela that offered to provide

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Speaker 12: aid to the people, our folks who had been devastated

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Speaker 12: by Katrina. The United States government refused that, but that's

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Speaker 12: an example of the of the aid that they that

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Speaker 12: they saw that they, as a socialist country, could provide

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Speaker 12: to folks in the United States throughout the Caribbean. Malcolm

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Speaker 12: Looks taught us that, you know, the people in charge

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Speaker 12: of a country can have you confusing your friends with

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Speaker 12: your enemies and your enemies with your friends. And so

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Speaker 12: that's why we think it's important in terms of a

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Speaker 12: black foreign policy, we have to look independently who's been

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Speaker 12: working in our interests, in who isn't. And so that's

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Speaker 12: why we think it's important to people to know what

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Speaker 12: was happening in this Venezuela and for black folks to

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01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 12: see that things that we think may not affect us

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 12: can definitely affect us, and that therefore we have to

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Speaker 12: be out of support of those people who supported us

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Speaker 12: both nationally and internationally.

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Speaker 1: Got it. Twenty three after tough day, Jeans checking in

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Speaker 1: from Pikesville has a question or comment phrase online one

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Speaker 1: Grant Rising Junior on with the Roger Wareham.

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Speaker 13: Thank you guys. Yeah, you know, I appreciate the show

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Speaker 13: call call as this one. You know, acknowledge that and

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Speaker 13: the information that you're putting.

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Speaker 7: Out, sir.

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Speaker 13: The UH President Trump used the Monroe doctrine, UH to

1213
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 13: you know, to you know, justify what he's doing in Venezuela.

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Speaker 13: But but my question to you is in reference to

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Speaker 13: the Black Sea, UH, especially Syria and the Crimera cold

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Speaker 13: would to put that Russia has into the Black Sea?

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Speaker 13: It is they they had a referendum in the crime

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Speaker 13: mirror where they had more Russian citizens, so they just

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Speaker 13: put it on the ballot and again had a referendum

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Speaker 13: and they voted, and that's how they took over the Crimea.

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Speaker 13: But again to me, this is this is a similar

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Speaker 13: It's similar to me in reference through the sphere of

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Speaker 13: influence when you have a uh, when you have empires

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Speaker 13: forcing their wills and you know on people, and you

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Speaker 13: know on policy and so forth and so on, how

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Speaker 13: do you ask My question to you is do you

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Speaker 13: see the similarities or do you think that people truly

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Speaker 13: understand the role that Turkey plays uh in Syria and

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Speaker 13: even Afghanistan. I mean I rack in reference to how

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Speaker 13: world policy and and and spear spheres of influencial works.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Gene, Roger.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, if you could be a little more what what

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Speaker 12: I'm trying to say here the point you're making in

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Speaker 12: terms of are you are you asked? Let me just

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Speaker 12: ask you restate your question because I'm not exactly great

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Speaker 12: what you're asking asking me.

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Speaker 1: I thank you, hung up. I didn't get the the

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01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: gist of the question either, uh. But let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this. Let's try and you to another political hotspot.

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Speaker 1: That's how nations, Roger, why should we be concerned to

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01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: what's the fightt that's going on there?

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Speaker 12: The Mali, Bookina Fasso, Niger, the Sahel Nations of the

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Speaker 12: Association of Sahelian States. What's going on there is very

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 12: important because they've taken a position that their economy will

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01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 12: no longer be under the control of France. And you know,

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01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 12: as your listening audience may know that the French colonies,

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 12: they call them the Francophony, that the former French colonies,

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Speaker 12: once they attained political independence, did not have economic independence.

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 12: And that until in that the Sahelian States have taken

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Speaker 12: in that the income that's created in the former French

1251
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 12: colonies goes directly to the French Central Bank, and then

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Speaker 12: the French Central Bank will return some of it to

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Speaker 12: those countries with an interest rate. And so you know,

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Speaker 12: there's been a history of occasionally French country, French colonies

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Speaker 12: that have rebelled, former colleges that have rebuilt against it.

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Speaker 12: Let me take as an example, Ivory Coast. President Bogbo

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Speaker 12: was overthrown in two thousand and I forget the exact year,

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Speaker 12: because he had taken the position as president that we

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Speaker 12: are no longer going to participate in the charade where

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Speaker 12: our money that we that we've produced is going to

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Speaker 12: France and France is giving it back to us. And

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Speaker 12: because of that he was overthrown. The Sahelian States have

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Speaker 12: taken that same position that you know, our our we

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Speaker 12: should control our own economy, in the same way that

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Speaker 12: Venezuela took his position that we should control our own economy.

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Speaker 12: So it's very important for us to understand, understand that

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Speaker 12: and support them because they are coming under attack because

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Speaker 12: of that. And and once again you know Malcolm statement

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 12: around we can, they'll have you confusing your friends with

1270
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 12: your enemies and your enemies with your friends. So it's

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Speaker 12: very important for can people understand why we must be

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Speaker 12: out in support in support of him. Your program is

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 12: crucial in terms of people just getting that kind of

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01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 12: information to kind of information at Elambai Breath would have

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Speaker 12: it those Friday meetings up in Harlem. So that's the

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 12: Cintolian States is a crucial They've taken a position in

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Speaker 12: defense of their country, in defense of black people, and

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 12: we should spread the word to our community and let

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01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 12: folks know why it's important to support them. I just

1280
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 12: want to you know, this is like I said, it's

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Speaker 12: King's birthday. It's King's actual birthday, and he, like Malcolm,

1282
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 12: understood the importance of black folks taking a position both internationally.

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Speaker 7: I was fortunate enough to be at.

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Speaker 12: Riverside Church in nineteen sixty seven when he made his

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 12: speech against.

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Speaker 7: The Vietnam War, and he came, you know.

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Speaker 12: As iranic because a lot of these corporations that are

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 12: celebrating King's birthday with sales or whatever attacked him viciously.

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Speaker 12: They said, look, you're just a civil rights leader. You

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Speaker 12: don't need to be involved in any international affairs. But

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Speaker 12: he took a principal position around why, you know, black

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Speaker 12: people particularly don't need to be supporting the war in Vietnam,

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Speaker 12: and what and what the war in Vietnam represented in

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Speaker 12: terms of violations of international law and just human rights

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Speaker 12: and morality. So I think there's a history of black

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Speaker 12: people doing that that we have to tap into in

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty six, because what we have to understand is

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Speaker 12: that there's no there's no granite wall between US foreign

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Speaker 12: policy and US semestic policy. If your if your audience

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Speaker 12: listened to President Trump after they went into and took

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Speaker 12: and took President Maduro and his wife out of Venezuela,

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Speaker 12: he said that not only was this about the oil,

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Speaker 12: because that's what it really was about, around gaining control

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Speaker 12: of the oil and also around an attack on socialism.

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Speaker 12: He said that if you if you listen, he talked

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Speaker 12: about the US troop movement, the military action in Venezuela,

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Speaker 12: and then he just in the same sentence, he went

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Speaker 12: to and this is why we have troops in d C.

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Speaker 12: That's why we're in the National Guard in DC and

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Speaker 12: in cities around the United States. Because he saw that

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Speaker 12: it's one as the same thing that he was going

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Speaker 12: to rule by force in Venezuela and he's going to

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Speaker 12: rule by force in the United States. We have to

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Speaker 12: see that connection. Otherwise we cannot develop a strategy and

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Speaker 12: tactics to fight that.

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Speaker 1: Thirty minutes sat the top of our family Roger Wareham

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Speaker 1: from the December twelfth Mill and New York Cities. I

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Speaker 1: guessed it and having a spirited discussion of about foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: Why would we need a foreign policy that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about African Americans now? And Roger we had a discussion

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Speaker 1: maybe a few weeks ago about whether or no we

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Speaker 1: should sign up for the military, and it fell along

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Speaker 1: generational lines. Those of us are there with Vietnam, like

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Speaker 1: myself with Ali refusing to go, and the other folks

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Speaker 1: who who there's no war. They signed up and they

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Speaker 1: felt that we're doing something good for the country or

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Speaker 1: doing something for themselves. They most of them said they

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Speaker 1: were really not going to you know, fight and kill

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Speaker 1: other people just just for the red, white and blue.

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Speaker 1: But they were they were doing to help themselves get

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Speaker 1: a better job, a better education, or housing. You know,

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Speaker 1: even though when that's when those benefits started, we were excluded.

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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on that. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: can chime in on that, because it really was It

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Speaker 1: started with their professor, James Small was saying we can

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Speaker 1: do it. We can do it both ways, but some

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Speaker 1: people don't feel that it could be done both ways.

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Speaker 12: What are your thoughts, Well, you know, it's it's it's

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Speaker 12: a double edged sword. I think what you said is true.

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Speaker 12: People now, you know, while the US wasn't in active

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Speaker 12: or went into the military because they figure it can

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Speaker 12: be up in terms of developing a career, uh and

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Speaker 12: and and.

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Speaker 7: Speak to the quality of their lives.

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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, they find out a lot of times when they

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Speaker 12: get in the military that they're not they're not given

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Speaker 12: the opportunities that they that they were promised. And then

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Speaker 12: you also end up then being in a position of

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Speaker 12: being when the US goes into too Venezuela or they

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Speaker 12: or they attack Nigeria, that they end up being the

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Speaker 12: storm troops for a policy that's not in the interests

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Speaker 12: of the country that they're invading or in the interest

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Speaker 12: of the communities that they come from. So I think

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Speaker 12: it becomes really it becomes really tricky, and particularly now

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Speaker 12: when Trump is using the Justice Department to attack Now

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Speaker 12: these are these were white UH representatives and government and

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Speaker 12: policy people who went on and they made the video

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Speaker 12: that said, you know, the law is that you don't

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Speaker 12: have to service people saying the law is that you

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Speaker 12: don't have to you're not supposed to carry out laws

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Speaker 12: that are legal, that you know, you have no obligation

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Speaker 12: in the military to follow illegal orders, which is that's

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Speaker 12: what you know, that's that's what the law is. That's

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Speaker 12: what people swear to. And particularly one two. I think

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Speaker 12: three of the three or four of the people who

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Speaker 12: made that video have come under attack.

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Speaker 7: For that.

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Speaker 12: So the question becomes, if you're a black person and

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Speaker 12: you're in the military and they're telling you to attack

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Speaker 12: people in Venezuela or in Minnesota, what happens when you

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Speaker 12: take the position which is your legally justified position that

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Speaker 12: that's an illegal order. I'm not going to carry that out.

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Speaker 12: How are you going to be treated? And if you

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Speaker 12: look at how white folks who are prominent Senator Kelly

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Speaker 12: are being treated, then that should be an indicator that

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Speaker 12: you're not going to have a lot of riggle room,

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Speaker 12: that it's not going to be simply that it's the

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Speaker 12: morally right thing to do that will protect you or

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Speaker 12: give you any legal protection when the government is coming

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Speaker 12: at you. So I think that's the fact that people

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 12: have to look at when you enter a military body

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Speaker 12: that is not set up to be in your favor

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Speaker 12: or to defend your rights.

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Speaker 1: Twenty six Away from the Tough Brother Roger Wareham from

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Speaker 1: December twelfth minute, And Brother Roger, I got to ask

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Speaker 1: you this about the immigration issue. Is this something we

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Speaker 1: sit on the sidelines there should be sympathetic with how

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Speaker 1: I just rounding up some people some look like us

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Speaker 1: and some of who are some African brothers and Haitian

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Speaker 1: brothers caught up in this? Is that as well? Or

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Speaker 1: do we sit by and wrap aself in the red,

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Speaker 1: white and blue and say, hey, good, let's let's take

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Speaker 1: them all out so we can get their job, so

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Speaker 1: there'll be more jobs for us. That's the reasoning behind

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Speaker 1: all of this.

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Speaker 7: Your thoughts, I think we don't.

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Speaker 12: I think we cannot be on the sidelines. I think

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Speaker 12: we have to support the rights of those who are

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Speaker 12: being attacked and deported, because it's it's one step away

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Speaker 12: from from from being at us.

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Speaker 7: That we can't be.

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Speaker 12: We can't we can't be detached from that day. We

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Speaker 12: have to support the rights of immigrants.

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Speaker 7: We have to uh, we.

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Speaker 12: Have to denounce the attacks by Ice, the what we

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01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 12: see the immigrants are being used as the as the

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Speaker 12: defaults or the excuse for what's becoming a police state

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Speaker 12: inside the United States. And since there's a constitution and

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 12: there's there's a declaration of independence, and there's the mythology

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 12: of democracy, they can cannot just set it up by

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01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 12: saying you're not going to have any rights, we're going

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Speaker 12: to They do it by picking out a group to

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Speaker 12: attack that they think will not have support, and then

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Speaker 12: that gives them the justification to do. What's what's what's

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,520
Speaker 12: happening around the country and what we saw in Minneapolis

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01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 12: with the with the killing of Rene Good. So we

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01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 12: don't have the luxury of being able to say, well,

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01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 12: it's not happening to us, because it's only two steps

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01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 12: away from happening to us. And if we don't take us,

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01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 12: if we don't take a stand now and opposing it,

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 12: we will be in a position when it comes to us,

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Speaker 12: there won't be anybody there to support us. So I

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Speaker 12: don't I group immigration. We have to support those people

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Speaker 12: who are under attack and and and it's as you said,

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01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 12: it's it's it's us, it's folks all across the border.

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Speaker 12: So that is something we have to take a stand in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I a we gotta take a short break, take

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: the traffic and weather and use in a different city.

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Speaker 1: I'm mean to come back though what you said, because

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Speaker 1: people say, why should we support them? They didn't support us,

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Speaker 1: you know when they were coming after us. They now

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Speaker 1: we should help them, and you know, let's tell them

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Speaker 1: the kick rocks. What are your thoughts? I'll let you

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, how do we respond when you hear people

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Speaker 1: say like that, Because you do have some people in

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Speaker 1: the black community who's exposing those views. Family, you want

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Speaker 1: to join this conversation, Brother Roger wear him from the

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Speaker 1: December twelfth Movement. You can reach us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: take all your phone calls after we check the traffic,

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01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: weather in the news in our different cities. That's next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising Family sixteen minutes away from the top,

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: they air with our guest to Roger wear him from

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01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: the December twelfth movement out in New York City. Before

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Speaker 1: we go back to Roger, though, let me just remind

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Speaker 1: you kind of later this morning, we speak with brother

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01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: Tony Brown. Brother Toni's that got a new book out.

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01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: You know him as a chematologists. The title of his

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: new book, by the way, is a Broader Perspective, my

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01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: fifty year Journey to Enlightenment. So he's going to share

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Speaker 1: that with us. And of course tomorrow tomorrow we'll give

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01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: you another chance to start your King weekend and joined

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Speaker 1: us for another edition of our Open Phone Friday program.

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Speaker 1: You can check in starting its ex am Eastern time

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01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also

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Speaker 1: in the DMV we're on fourteen fifty WL. All right, Roger.

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Speaker 1: The entire immigration issue, some people you know in our

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Speaker 1: community say it's not our fight did they didn't help us,

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Speaker 1: then many of them voted for Donald Trump. Let them

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Speaker 1: stealing their own soft You know, why should we go

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Speaker 1: to help them?

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Speaker 12: Your response, My response is that regardless of whether or

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Speaker 12: not that's true, what's coming at immigration is just being used,

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Speaker 12: just like weapons of mass destruction, as an excuse to

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Speaker 12: come at the establishment of a police state in the

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Speaker 12: United States. That given the economic conditions, given the the

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Speaker 12: failing of the United States economy, they're preparing for how

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Speaker 12: they're going to address as more and more people object

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Speaker 12: and fight for to improve the conditions that they're looking at,

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Speaker 12: As people's conditions get worse, and as people demonstrate, as

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Speaker 12: people strike, their position is going to be that they're

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Speaker 12: going to use force to deal with that. And so

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Speaker 12: that the immigration is is that's just one of the

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Speaker 12: tactics they're using as an excuse to put in place,

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Speaker 12: just as they're doing now with National Guard around the country.

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Speaker 12: That's the implementation of a of a police state which

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Speaker 12: is going to be used. As black folks know, us

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Speaker 12: always weird when everything else is done. We're the default

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Speaker 12: in terms of the target. So I think we need

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Speaker 12: to look beyond the immediate and first of all, all

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Speaker 12: of the people they're attacking did not support Trump. That's

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Speaker 12: just part of the mythology they're using to try and

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Speaker 12: divide us, you know, in terms of split and divide,

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Speaker 12: but in terms of maintaining, excusing, maintaining our protecting our

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Speaker 12: own interests. We need to see what this represents and

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Speaker 12: we need to be actively involved in the struggle to

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Speaker 12: stop the police, the policeviization UH inside the United States

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Speaker 12: and not get confused by the fact that it's immigration

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Speaker 12: and it's not affecting us directly. It's two minutes away

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Speaker 12: from coming at us directly.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you. With that, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about reparation. But before we do that, though,

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Speaker 1: Desia's checking in from New York has got a question

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Speaker 1: for you online three grand Rising, DASA, you're on with

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Speaker 1: brother Roger grand Rising.

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Speaker 9: I was wondering what some of the work that the

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Speaker 9: Sember twelfth Movement is currently involved with and how people

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Speaker 9: in New York can get involved with that work or support.

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Speaker 12: Okay, we're we're involved in a couple of things, or

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Speaker 12: several things. One is the reparations, which I'm going to

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Speaker 12: talk about now. We're involved in what's called a fair

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Speaker 12: and Fair campaign, which is trying to make public transportation

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Speaker 12: affordable to people.

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Speaker 7: We're involved with.

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01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 12: The Black Solidarity Coalition, which is an effort to pull

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01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 12: together different black organizations to deal jointly with the conditions

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 12: we face that we've been talking about. And if people

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01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 12: are interested in doing any of that work, and that's

1509
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 12: not all that, that's just part of the work that

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01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 12: we're doing, they should go to our website, which is

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Speaker 12: D twelve M dot com. It's the letter D, the

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01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 12: numbers one two, the letter M dot com and you'll

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01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 12: see the different areas of work that we're involved in.

1514
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 12: They'll see how they can get in contact with us.

1515
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 12: And that's how you can if you're in the Tristate area,

1516
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 12: that's how you can get involved in terms of what

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01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 12: we're doing both nationally and internationally. And I'd like to

1518
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 12: segue into the whole issue of reparations because that's one

1519
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 12: of the areas of work that we've been working on

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01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 12: for the past twenty five to thirty years. And I

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01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 12: just want to read this is the twenty fifth This year,

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01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 12: twenty twenty sixth is the twenty fifth year since the

1523
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 12: UN World Comes Against Racism and its declaration I want

1524
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 12: to read very quickly a prestate movie put out the

1525
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 12: other day in terms of the importance of what that

1526
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 12: represents since in two thousand and one, African people achieved

1527
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,480
Speaker 12: one of our greatest victories of the twenty first century

1528
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 12: at the UN World Conference against Racism held in Durban,

1529
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 12: South Africa and its Durban Declaration and Program of Action,

1530
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 12: the international community for the first time declared that the

1531
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 12: Transatlantic slave trade and slavery were crimes against humanity and

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01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 12: that reparations are due to the descendants of the victims

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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 12: of these crimes. Crimes against humanity have no statute of limitations,

1534
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 12: and thus the Durbin Declaration destroyed any international legal barrier

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01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 12: to African people suing the colonizing and set of state

1536
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 12: countries which built their wealth on and owe their current

1537
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 12: power so stolen labor and resources. The Durban Declaration came

1538
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 12: out of a hard fought battle between African people and

1539
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 12: the descendants of our former enslavers. The December twelfth Movement,

1540
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 12: along with the National Black United Front, organized four hundred

1541
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 12: people to go to Durban the Lobby for Our Reparations demand.

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 12: The US vehemently opposed any discussion of reparations and led

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01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 12: by US Secretary of State Colin Powell, walked out of

1544
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 12: the conference once it was clear that reparations would remain

1545
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 12: on the agenda. The Durban Declaration was won through the

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 12: leadership of a pan African collaboration between African and Caribbean

1547
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 12: countries and African people from throughout the diaspora. The Durban

1548
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 12: Declaration is the foundation for the reparations movement in the

1549
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 12: US and around the world. The fact that it is

1550
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 12: almost unknown in the US is because since two thousand

1551
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 12: and one, the US government has done everything in its

1552
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 12: powers disappeared. This reflects the same white supremacist imperial mindset

1553
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 12: which is now actively and openly removing all positive references

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01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 12: to black people in books, schools, museums, and monuments and

1555
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 12: parks across the country. So it's when we finished with

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01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 12: it in the ddpa's twenty fifth year, we are derman

1557
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 12: determined to put it back on the clock, the clock

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,799
Speaker 12: of history, as John Henry Clark talked about, as Professor

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01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 12: John Henry Clark talked about. So we think it's very

1560
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 12: important that this is one of the significant victories of

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01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 12: black people in this century, and most people don't know

1562
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 12: about it, and so we're involved in the campaign to

1563
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 12: raise back to our people what the Durban World Conference represented,

1564
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 12: this document, the Durbin Declaration represented, and to get people

1565
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 12: who are involved in the reparations movement to understand what

1566
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 12: is based on and then to understand that in the

1567
01:25:55,640 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 12: final analysis, no matter the different steps we're taking around

1568
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 12: the country in Evanston and Ashtville, in California and New York,

1569
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 12: these these are small steps, but that the ultimate step

1570
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 12: is the United States government has got to be accountable

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 12: for the reparations.

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 7: That we that we are. Oh, this were not We're

1573
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:16,839
Speaker 7: not begging.

1574
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 14: We were.

1575
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 7: We were.

1576
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 12: Our labor was stolen, our lives were stolen. The scene

1577
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 12: that we developed around this whole campaign back in two

1578
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 12: thousand was they stole us. Say ohs they stole us,

1579
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 12: say sold us? Say os reparations now, and that that issue,

1580
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 12: that demand is as relevant today as it was then,

1581
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,959
Speaker 12: and that we have to become more and more actively

1582
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 12: involved in terms of the reparations struggle and in terms

1583
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 12: of pushing the US government and also collaborating with Once again,

1584
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 12: this goes back to our foreign policy with African.

1585
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 7: People around the world and around.

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01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 12: The country tree, I'm sorry around the world and an

1587
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 12: African continent and the push for that demand.

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01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Seven minutes away from the top lay Roger Wareham from

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01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: the December twelfth movement out of New York City. Rogers. So,

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01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: since we're talking about reparations, if you guys come up

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01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: with what do we want, because I understand that's part

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01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: of the problem. We haven't had a consensus. Is it money,

1593
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: is it land? Is it tax breaks? Is free education?

1594
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: If you come up with a list of you can

1595
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: tell our family right now, this is what we're going after.

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: This is what we deserve.

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01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 12: Well, you know what we're what we're asking for, or

1598
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 12: what we're not asking for. What we're demanding is reparatory justice.

1599
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 12: That that reparation speaks to every every aspect of our lives.

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01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 12: It speaks to healthcare, it speaks to education, it speaks

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01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 12: to wealth. All of that comes under the rubric of

1602
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 12: of reparations. It speaks to land, it speaks to repatriation.

1603
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 12: You know, every aspect of our lives in terms of

1604
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 12: our history in the United States, how we got here,

1605
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 12: and the conditions we've been subject to. Reparations addresses all

1606
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 12: of that. That's why we say that reparations is the

1607
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 12: key issue excuse me, facing African people in the twenty

1608
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 12: first century, because if we focus on that, it will

1609
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 12: speak to everything that affects us and that and that

1610
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 12: if we come at it from the point of view

1611
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 12: that this is not we're not begging, this is not

1612
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 12: affirmative action, this is something that we're owed under international

1613
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 12: law and under all forms of.

1614
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 7: Humanity immorality, then.

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01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 12: We can begin to change the conditions that we're looking

1616
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 12: at in twenty twenty six and going forward for in

1617
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 12: in you know, in the rest of the century. So there,

1618
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 12: if any there's no there's no part of our lives

1619
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 12: as people that we can look at and reparations would

1620
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:51,879
Speaker 12: not affect.

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01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: I got a tweet question for you. It sticks away

1622
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: from the top of the affin Ross jillma in Buffalo,

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01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: he says, how important is it that the US is

1624
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,480
Speaker 1: currently walking away from repair of all African people globally

1625
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: while the Afghan Union and the diasport is pushing harder.

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01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 12: I think it's it's it's drawing the lines of of

1627
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 12: what we're of, of of.

1628
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 7: The battle that we face.

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01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 12: And I guess I don't know if it's an advantage

1630
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 12: but I think one of the things that that Trump

1631
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 12: does is he throws away the mask of civility with

1632
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 12: which the US government has has, you know, as they

1633
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 12: they the US government has ignored reparations. The US government

1634
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 12: doesn't want to deal with reparations, but most of the

1635
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 12: other presidents and heads of government have you know, tried

1636
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 12: to hide that behind something else whereas Trump basically says,

1637
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 12: we're not going to deal with this, So then we

1638
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 12: should be very clear around the nature of the battle

1639
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 12: we face that we don't have to pretend. You know,

1640
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 12: at one point, I think someone asks President Obama on

1641
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 12: reparations and he said, you know, his stock responses, I'm

1642
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 12: the president of everybody, not the president of black people,

1643
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 12: and if you want something, you're going to have to

1644
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 12: make me do it. And I think what Trump puts

1645
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 12: on the table is exactly we're going to have to

1646
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 12: make them do it. But at least the lines are

1647
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 12: clear of who is on what side and what is

1648
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 12: it going to take for us to achieve that demand.

1649
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 12: It is achievable if it speaks to what it's going

1650
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 12: to be necessary for us, not for us to really

1651
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 12: survive in this century, because as the US economy worsens

1652
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 12: its attack on those of us who they consider aren't

1653
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 12: useful to that economy are going to become sharper. So

1654
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 12: I think the well, we think that the demand around

1655
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 12: reparations helps clarify that for people and lets us know

1656
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 12: who are our friends and who are our enemies in it,

1657
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 12: and that it also solidifies or solidifies the demand that

1658
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 12: this is a Pana African struggle that we know it's

1659
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 12: we got we're in line with African people in Brazil,

1660
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 12: in Colombia, in Venezuela, in the Caribbean, on the African continent,

1661
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 12: but that we have to here in the United States

1662
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:22,839
Speaker 12: have got to pull ourselves together and become clearer around

1663
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 12: the object, and that we take that we not be

1664
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 12: satisfied with the smaller reparations concessions that have been made,

1665
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 12: but understand that this is these are building blocks for

1666
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 12: what it's got to be, the grand battle around reparations.

1667
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that's the right, Dea Roger. We got

1668
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: to check the traffic on weather in our different cities

1669
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: and we come back though, because you mentioned that what

1670
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 1: Obama's response was to reparations, so neither a party on

1671
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 1: the political side care about reparations. So basically, you can

1672
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: probably even extend that care about us as a people.

1673
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: Does that make the struggle much harder? What do we

1674
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: do now that we know that? Because some people are

1675
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: on the impression that, you know, the Democrats would they

1676
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: like us better, you know, than the Republicans. But as

1677
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Donald Trump just told us straight out the

1678
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Republican the Democrats don't do that, though they do it

1679
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: by code. So how do we get through all of this?

1680
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: When we come back, I'll let you explain that. Family.

1681
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: You two can get on our conversation with Brother Roger

1682
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: Wareham from the December twelfth month. Weent just reach out

1683
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,799
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four to five zero seventy

1684
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls after

1685
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: we check the traffic, news and weather and the news

1686
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: in some of our cities. That's next and grund Rising family,

1687
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Thursday morning. How

1688
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: do you want to say December? It's January fifteenth, you

1689
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: know that's a doctor King's original birthday. Of course, the holiday,

1690
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 1: the weekend starts tomorrow and the holiday will be celebrated

1691
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: on Monday. But anyway, brother Roger warehams, Well, that's from

1692
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: the December That's what I keep saying. He's from the

1693
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: December twelfth movement. It's a Pan African group based in

1694
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: New York City. Before we left, we're talking about reparations.

1695
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: My question to you now, brother Rogers, since we know

1696
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: that neither political party cares about us when it comes

1697
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: to reparations for that matter, so what's our move now?

1698
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: What do we do if we can't rely on them

1699
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: because some people are you know, a gung ho on

1700
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: one side of the aisle of the other. But bottom

1701
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: line is many of them really care about us. So

1702
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 1: we've come to that conclusion some of us have. So

1703
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: what's our moves?

1704
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:20,520
Speaker 12: As with any issue in our in our history, whatever

1705
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 12: progressing made came from us, from us creating enough pressure

1706
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 12: on the ground to force those institutions to make that change.

1707
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 12: And it's no different with reparations. That we have to

1708
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 12: organize ourselves from the base.

1709
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 7: One of the things that.

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01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 12: We're proposing in terms of people around the country is

1711
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 12: in and why we see the importance of the World

1712
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 12: Conference Against Racism and the Durban Declaration, it is for

1713
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 12: people to familiarize themselves with it because it forms the

1714
01:33:56,479 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 12: basis from which most all the activity in the past

1715
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 12: twenty five years has happened. And once we understand that,

1716
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 12: we'll be able to have more and more of our

1717
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 12: people understand why it is urgent for them to participate

1718
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 12: in that demand. And as that earth and as they're

1719
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 12: understanding that urgency spreads, it results in activity. So we're

1720
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 12: you know, we're asking people to get information around Durbin.

1721
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 12: As I said earlier, they can go to our website

1722
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 12: D twelve m dot com to get information, to get

1723
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 12: to get a copy of We had a webinar this

1724
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 12: past Saturday. We representatives from D twelve, from the National

1725
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 12: Black United Front, from the Caracom Reparations Commission, and from

1726
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,879
Speaker 12: the UN Working Group and experts of people of African

1727
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,759
Speaker 12: descent to get an idea of what of the importance

1728
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 12: of what Durbin represented and if that will become an

1729
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 12: incentive in terms of people's participation. As you said, the

1730
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 12: Democrats Republicans, it's made no difference. The US government has

1731
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 12: always has been that they're not going to address address reparations.

1732
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 12: And in terms of just tying it into what we

1733
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 12: were saying earlier around international internationally, I was at a

1734
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 12: I was at a reparations conference that the Venezuela and

1735
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 12: government had seven years ago around dealing with the questions

1736
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 12: of of reparations for their indigenous black population. So they're

1737
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 12: all connected. And so I think as we broaden our

1738
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 12: our our world view, our outlook around who are our

1739
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 12: friends and who are allies and who are enemies, then

1740
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 12: that will dictate to us what it is that we

1741
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 12: need to do. So for those of for your listening audience.

1742
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold, I thought Roger, before you run. Uh, we

1743
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: got provotonic Browder on deck, but money. Mike in Baltimore

1744
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: has a quick question for Lyne too. Mike, your question

1745
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 1: for Roger?

1746
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 6: Good morning, call, Good morning Roger.

1747
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,480
Speaker 12: Can you good morning? How are you doing, bro.

1748
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 6: I'm doing great. I'm going great. I hate the I

1749
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 6: hate to throw some rain on your parade, but you're

1750
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 6: not getting reparations in my opinion, unless we boycott and

1751
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 6: we hurt this country economically. You see what they did

1752
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 6: with the immigrants when they took their jobs. So they

1753
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 6: thought they took their jobs and they're doing got an

1754
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 6: effort to get everyone out of this country. If you

1755
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 6: give black people something that you're not gonna give to

1756
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,719
Speaker 6: the poorest white people in this country. Give black people

1757
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 6: are legs up to for all of that stuff results

1758
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 6: because black's price but had more than whites. Slavery didn't

1759
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 6: end because they felt a conscious to it. They did

1760
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 6: it for economic reasons. They didn't do it because they

1761
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 6: love black people. So we better think about strategics. Everything

1762
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,600
Speaker 6: that the US does is about economics. They imposed sanctions

1763
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 6: on every nation. If we can't understand that, we think

1764
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 6: voting and boycott, I mean in protesting, it's gonna get it.

1765
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 6: It's not gonna get it. You gotta hurt them, you

1766
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 6: gotta make them want to do it. And the only

1767
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 6: way we got it. We don't have an army, we

1768
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 6: don't have bullets, we don't have guns, but we have

1769
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 6: economic power. If we could understand how to use it,

1770
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 6: You're not getting reparations anytime soon.

1771
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: So all right, let's give him a chance to respond.

1772
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: Thanks Mike Roger, good.

1773
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 7: You're Mike.

1774
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 12: You're not throw on random my parade. I agree with you.

1775
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 12: And when I said we have to employ all sorts

1776
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 12: of tactics, we have to employ all sorts of tactics,

1777
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 12: and we have to understand, as you said, if if

1778
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 12: you don't, if you're not affecting them, uh economically, they're

1779
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 12: not going to respond. So I think it's really just

1780
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 12: a question of strategy and tactics that we have to

1781
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 12: make a concrete analysis of at this point in time,

1782
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 12: what's the best way of doing it. But I agree

1783
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 12: with they're not going to do anything out of the

1784
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 12: fact that it's the right forum to do. They're gonna

1785
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 12: They're going to do it when we make them do it.

1786
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna I'm in agreement with your brother.

1787
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 6: Let me say one last thing.

1788
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 4: Please see black.

1789
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 1: People, I think we lost Mike uh eight half the top.

1790
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: Mike is sorry about that. Calling tomorrow and make that point.

1791
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's proform on Fridays. We'll give you a chance to

1792
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: free your mind. But Roger, before we let you go,

1793
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: how can folks sign up? How can they join the

1794
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: December twelfth? Is it a closed group or can other

1795
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: people who are listening right now, especially on listen is

1796
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: in in the Tri State? Are can they join the

1797
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 1: December twelfth movement?

1798
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 7: Sure they can.

1799
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 12: What we what we ask people to do is go

1800
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 12: to as I said, go to the website D twelve

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01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 12: m dot com. The contact information. You can contact us

1802
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 12: with contact we'll get back to you. We have different

1803
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 12: programs that we that we do all the time, and

1804
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,520
Speaker 12: we encourage people to come to those programs and participate,

1805
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 12: and it's in that process that they can move towards

1806
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 12: becoming a member.

1807
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 7: It's the Open.

1808
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 12: It's an open it's a mass organization. It's committed to

1809
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 12: the liberation of black people, and uh, you know we

1810
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 12: it's this is like, we just celebrated our thirty eighth

1811
01:38:54,600 --> 01:39:00,080
Speaker 12: year in terms of existence. So we have different areas

1812
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 12: of work and we encourage people to do that. We

1813
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 12: want to get as many people as possible. I think

1814
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 12: one of the things over the last few years has

1815
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 12: been physically since the you know, the whole motion around

1816
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 12: the murder of George Floyd is that younger people are

1817
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 12: coming in and are participating in terms of understanding what

1818
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 12: it's going to take for us to combat and to

1819
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 12: combat to conditions we face and change the conditions we face.

1820
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,520
Speaker 12: So we're very optimistic about that. Go to the website

1821
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 12: D twelve am dot com, or you can email us

1822
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 12: at info D twelve Info Info D twelve Movement at gmail.

1823
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 12: So it's Info D one two Movement at gmail or

1824
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 12: just go to the website D twelve am dot com.

1825
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 12: People can also call us, but you know nine two

1826
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,679
Speaker 12: nine six nine two seven six zero nine. That's nine

1827
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 12: two nine six nine two seven six zero nine.

1828
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Roger, and thank you for the work

1829
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: that you guys have been doing, because you've been put

1830
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: in the work and educating our people, especially in the

1831
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Tri State, are so thank you for what you do.

1832
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 12: And thank you for what you do because I think

1833
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 12: it's crucially important for there to be a domain where

1834
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 12: we can have these kind of discussions and not be

1835
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 12: reduced to a couple of second soundbites, and where people

1836
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 12: can then follow up because that's what it's going to

1837
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 12: take for us to succeed and to survive in the

1838
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 12: twenty first century.

1839
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Thanks for Roger. All right, family, and move on.

1840
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Ten after the top of brother, Tony Brown is checking

1841
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: in with us at Grand Rising. Tony, welcome back to

1842
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:41,480
Speaker 1: the program.

1843
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 15: Good morning to all, Good morning to your listeners. I'm

1844
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 15: happy to be and if you all recall the last

1845
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 15: time I was on your show call or December the eighteenth,

1846
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 15: I was horse I could barely speak, but the spirit

1847
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 15: was strong and I was able to convey my message,

1848
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 15: to get my point across and had a stimulating discussion,

1849
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,719
Speaker 15: and I trust or we'll do the same thing today

1850
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 15: my brother.

1851
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, because we want to talk about the book,

1852
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: your latest book. You're a celebrated author telling us about

1853
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:18,759
Speaker 1: this book. How did this project come about?

1854
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 15: How did this project come about? Well, to be perfectly

1855
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 15: honest with you, Carl, this project is an extension, a

1856
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 15: continuation of multiple things. And if I could say, if

1857
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 15: I can comment on this before I speak to that.

1858
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 15: Listening to your former guests Roger talk about reparations and

1859
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 15: then also listening to money Might talk about his interpretation

1860
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 15: of the issue of reparations, Both of those brothers are right.

1861
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 4: It's not a matter of either or.

1862
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 15: I'm a realist and I understand very clearly as a

1863
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,600
Speaker 15: result of living in this country, living in America for

1864
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 15: seventy four years, white folk are going to give us nothing.

1865
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 15: We got to fight. We've had to fight for every

1866
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 15: thing that we've gotten, and now they're trying to take

1867
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 15: all of that away. So personally, I don't think they're

1868
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 15: going to give us anything, but that should not stop

1869
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 15: us from fighting to get what we know is right.

1870
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 15: So to that extent, I understand what Roger and what

1871
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 15: ray Winbush and system Kichi Taifa is doing to push

1872
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 15: reparations on multiple forefronts. I also know very clearly, Carl,

1873
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 15: that self reparations is the first step you've got to

1874
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 15: We've got to repair ourselves first. And if we don't

1875
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 15: understand the value of self reparations, if we don't restore

1876
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 15: that which was illegal, the ability to read, to write

1877
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,759
Speaker 15: and reason, if we don't restore our memories of the past,

1878
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 15: who we were thousands of years before Africans were enslaved,

1879
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 15: who we were when we were the own only human

1880
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 15: beings on the planet, all of that has to be restored.

1881
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 15: And I know very clearly that white folk are not

1882
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 15: going to do that. So it's on us to do

1883
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 15: the research, to gather the data, and then to make

1884
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 15: that information available to anyone who's prepared to hear it,

1885
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 15: to understand it, then to act on it. So it's

1886
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 15: not like these things should be done in isolation. They

1887
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 15: need to be done simultaneously, and it needs to be

1888
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,600
Speaker 15: done with the understanding that not everybody's going to be

1889
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 15: able to do it. Not everybody's going to be able

1890
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 15: to do it at the same level, with the same intensity.

1891
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:41,599
Speaker 15: But that should not stop everybody from doing something. Today

1892
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 15: is Doctor King's birthday, and if we remember Doctor King,

1893
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 15: we need to remember where he lived and what he

1894
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 15: died for. We also need to remember that when King

1895
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:56,839
Speaker 15: was alive, when he was sacrificing his tie, his family,

1896
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 15: his health, his finances to lead this civil rights struggle,

1897
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 15: less than ten percent of black leadership was in lockstep

1898
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 15: with King. Most pastors who will give a sermon on

1899
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 15: Doctor King this weekend wanted nothing to do with Doctor

1900
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:20,680
Speaker 15: King because they thought he was moving too fast. So

1901
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 15: we have to understand the spirit that drove doctor King,

1902
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 15: because even though King is dead, that spirit is still

1903
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 15: very much alive. That spirit has been suppressed, and it's

1904
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 15: that spirit that needs to be activated and enhanced in

1905
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 15: the lives of those people who are prepared to continue

1906
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 15: the work. So it's my interest in things of this

1907
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 15: nature that has driven me to do the work that

1908
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 15: I've been doing over the past forty sumid years, And specifically, Carl,

1909
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 15: it was my relationship with this radio station. It was

1910
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:03,600
Speaker 15: my relationship ship with w WEL that really jump started

1911
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 15: my career and put me on the path that I've

1912
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 15: been on for so long. My anniversary with w WEL,

1913
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 15: my fortieth anniversary with WL, will be this November. I

1914
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 15: made my very first appearance on the Cathy US Morning

1915
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,759
Speaker 15: Show in November of nineteen eighty six.

1916
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 4: We hit it off.

1917
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 15: She invited me back the next day, and the next

1918
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 15: thing I knew, I had gotten an invitation to start

1919
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 15: writing a bi weekly column for the Washington and for

1920
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 15: American newspaper. That column became from the Browder File. Two

1921
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,919
Speaker 15: weeks after, two years after I started writing that column,

1922
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,799
Speaker 15: I produced my first book from the Brouder File, twenty

1923
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 15: two Essays on the African American Experience. And this Saturday,

1924
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 15: I'll be having a book launch of my AIDH publication.

1925
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:04,560
Speaker 15: That publication is the third installment of Browder style essays,

1926
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 15: and he's titled A Browder Perspective, My fifty year Journey

1927
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Speaker 15: to Enlighten It.

1928
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Speaker 4: So that subtitle speaks.

1929
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Speaker 15: To this path that I've been on for fifty years

1930
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Speaker 15: last year, fifty one years this year, my journey to enlightenment.

1931
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Speaker 1: Mine right and hold up through right there, Brother Tony

1932
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 1: got to step aside for a few months. I'll let

1933
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: you pick it up when we get back and I

1934
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 1: also want to hear some of the folks that you

1935
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: brought to this microphone here on WL back in the

1936
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: day when you started with Miss Hughes family. YouTube can

1937
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: join our conversation with Tony Browner. Reach out to us.

1938
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: It's eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

1939
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: I'll take your phone calls at seventeen after the hour,

1940
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: we'll take a phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

1941
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Speaker 1: thanks for starting your king weekend with us. This is

1942
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: actual birthday, and I guess today is Tony Browner. Some

1943
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: people say Tony's a chemicogiois, but it's much more than that.

1944
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Is also an author and does a lot of other

1945
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 1: things too for our community. And one of the things

1946
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,719
Speaker 1: he did back in the day was on this radio

1947
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: station with Miss Hughes during her morning show, and he

1948
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:06,679
Speaker 1: brought a lot of scholars to the microphone. So, brother Tony,

1949
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 1: help us out here some of the folks that you

1950
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: introduced to the Washington DC community.

1951
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 15: Over Carl, let me get to that, if you don't mind,

1952
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,559
Speaker 15: I want to give a little context so that folk

1953
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 15: understand the progression I didn't.

1954
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 7: I didn't just start doing this.

1955
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 15: There were a series of events that led to me

1956
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 15: doing this and all the things that I've done since,

1957
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 15: and all of this represents what I referred to as

1958
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 15: is self reparations. I had to repair myself first man,

1959
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 15: and the process of repairing myself began in nineteen seventy

1960
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 15: five when I met this brother in Southeast DC by

1961
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 15: the name of non Aquaba and the Brown. He did

1962
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 15: a class on African spirituality, so I began to become

1963
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 15: aware of who I was as a person of African ancestry.

1964
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 15: I began to understand the power of African spirituality and

1965
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:57,639
Speaker 15: what that meant. That then prepared me for meeting i'ven events.

1966
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 15: Cerdomer two years later was the first person to inform

1967
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 15: me that the ancient Egyptians were black. So I'm meeting

1968
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 15: people now who are starting to expand my mind, expand

1969
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 15: my consciousness, or repair the miseducation that I had experienced

1970
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 15: all my life. Nineteen eighty I went to Egypt with

1971
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 15: doctor Ben. I saw the truth for myself, and I

1972
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:24,679
Speaker 15: came back a transformed person. Nineteen eighty two, I formed

1973
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 15: my second company, IKG, the Institute of Karmic Guidance, which

1974
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 15: has been my vehicle for sharing this information. Nineteen eighty four,

1975
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 15: I went to the Nile Valley Conference in Atlanta, Georgia

1976
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 15: at Morehouse College, and I met some of the most

1977
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 15: phenomenal scholars.

1978
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 4: That I've ever met in my life.

1979
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 7: And as a.

1980
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,799
Speaker 15: Young impressionable man in my thirties, I said to myself,

1981
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 15: as I said in the audience, that that's what I

1982
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 15: want to do in my life. It was nineteen eighty

1983
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 15: six when I met Miss Hughes and she exposed me

1984
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 15: to a new audience. She gave me access to the airways,

1985
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 15: and I was then in a position to amplify my

1986
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 15: needs and desires. So as you said, Carl, I began

1987
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 15: substituting substitute hosting for Missus Hughes and which gave me

1988
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 15: more radio experience, which connected me with some other people.

1989
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 15: And then in nineteen eighty seven I started our Free

1990
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 15: of Buying lecture series, and I started bringing some of

1991
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 15: the scholars that I had met at the Nile Valley

1992
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 15: Conference to Washington, DC, and I would bring them in

1993
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 15: for a lecture. But before the lectured, we would come

1994
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 15: to w L and we would do one of two

1995
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 15: hours on WL.

1996
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 4: We'd go to a couple of other.

1997
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 15: Radio stations in the DC area, and then that evening

1998
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 15: we would do a lecture. And every single program we

1999
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 15: did Carl for over the course of four years was

2000
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 15: sold out.

2001
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 4: We started out with maybe.

2002
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 15: One hundred and fifty two hundred people coming to our events.

2003
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 15: We had to move to a larger events. We had

2004
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 15: two hundred and fifty people at the event for about

2005
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,639
Speaker 15: a year. We had to move to a larger venue

2006
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 15: until we had over a thousand people.

2007
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 4: Those were the.

2008
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 15: Good old days and some of the folk that I

2009
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 15: brought to the DC community. Some of the people who

2010
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:19,600
Speaker 15: I introduced to the wo family were as Hillier, named Akbarr,

2011
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 15: Edwin Nichols, Ivan Van Certema, Renoka Rashidi, Wayne Chandler, Doctor

2012
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:33,640
Speaker 15: Ben Doctor Clarr, John Jackson, Charles fince Ter, Phil o'binger

2013
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 15: land and Raj Jeffries, Patrician Newton, Wade Nobles, Chars McIntyre,

2014
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 15: Liseboe Middleton and the host of other people. So we

2015
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 15: had our free year Mind Lecture series called between nineteen

2016
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 15: eighty seven and nineteen ninety two nineteen ninety.

2017
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 4: Three, and those were the good old days.

2018
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 15: Those were the times when the African Senate movement was

2019
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 15: high gear, and people really wanted to know this information.

2020
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,719
Speaker 15: The scholars were at their peak and they were giving

2021
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:09,560
Speaker 15: up their information.

2022
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 4: What we failed to realize, and.

2023
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 15: What took me until maybe ninety two to realize, was

2024
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 15: their white folks weren't going to just sit back and

2025
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 15: allow us to free our minds. They began to push back,

2026
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 15: and I saw in the real time how they pushed

2027
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 15: back against the African Senate movement, and they went after

2028
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:34,879
Speaker 15: most of the scholars who I just named. They because

2029
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 15: most of these scholars were working at academic institutions, they

2030
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 15: began to threaten their job and force some of them

2031
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 15: to be quiet. They forced some of them to step

2032
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:51,959
Speaker 15: back from doing so many speaking engagements or participating in conferences.

2033
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 15: And one of the best examples I can give you

2034
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 15: call was the Melanin Conferences. The Melaning Conferences started out

2035
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 15: in se Fisco with Waye Nobles, Richard King, Patricia Newton,

2036
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 15: Francis Wilson, and Aster Hilliart and they expanded that whole event.

2037
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 15: We hosted the largest Melanin conference at Howard University Crafting

2038
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 15: Auditorium in March of nineteen eighty nine, and we had

2039
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 15: over thousand people in crafton auditorium. We had scholars on

2040
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 15: the stage with any information. People were eating it up.

2041
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 15: And then Time magazine, Newsic magazine started attacking Lynn Jeffries

2042
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:42,440
Speaker 15: and Adelaide Sandford and some of the scholars who participated

2043
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,679
Speaker 15: at the Melanin conference. The Washington Post started doing negative

2044
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,759
Speaker 15: articles on some of the things, some of the information

2045
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 15: that was presented during that conference. I remember, I think

2046
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 15: it was Newsweek did an article called Melanin Madness. But

2047
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 15: they went after a lot of these scholars, lynn Jeffries.

2048
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 15: Shortly there after, in ninety two, Lynn Jeffries was attacked,

2049
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 15: lost his position at City College, had to file suit.

2050
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,759
Speaker 15: He was receiving death threats, and for over two years,

2051
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 15: Lynn Jeffries had to be accompanied by bodyguards, the Sons

2052
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 15: of Africa, and he literally had to wear a bulletproof

2053
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 15: vest because of the threats against his life. There was

2054
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 15: an effort to cause harm to his mama because of

2055
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 15: the threat that was posed by these scholars, these courageous

2056
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 15: sisters and brothers presenting information that was transforming the consciousness

2057
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 15: of people of African ancestry here in the United States

2058
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 15: of America. And so when I speak of self reparations,

2059
01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:51,480
Speaker 15: that's what this whole movement was about. Us learning information

2060
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,759
Speaker 15: that we weren't taught in school, we weren't taught in church,

2061
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 15: we weren't taught in our fraternities or sororities. Transformative information

2062
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 15: allowed us to become our authentic selves and so to

2063
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 15: be honest, understanding where we were born, understanding where we

2064
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 15: have lived our lives. This nation was not going to

2065
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 15: just sit back and allow us to free ourselves.

2066
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 4: So in the early.

2067
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:22,599
Speaker 15: Nineties, the African Senate movement came under attack. A lot

2068
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 15: of people lost their jobs, and people went silent, and

2069
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 15: the movement died. But these movements go in waves, they

2070
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 15: go in cycles, and so we're now entering another wave

2071
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 15: where the interest in this movement is being reinvigorated and

2072
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 15: people want to know more.

2073
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 4: There's a generation of.

2074
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 15: Young folks now, young people in their twenties and thirties

2075
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 15: and some in their forties who as children came to

2076
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 15: some of these lectures or are now reading these books

2077
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 15: or discovering some of these scholars on YouTube channels. And

2078
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 15: so because of in fact that this information in twenty

2079
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 15: twenty six, this information is still not being taught in schools,

2080
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 15: and as we have witness with the return of the

2081
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 15: Devil incarnate last year as President of the United States.

2082
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 15: There is an outright effort to abolish the teaching of

2083
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 15: this information, to ban books, to dismantle DEI in every

2084
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 15: element of the federal government. So the masks are off,

2085
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 15: the hoods are on, and these people are showing themselves

2086
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 15: to be the devils that they always have been. And

2087
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 15: as a consequence of a white folk making America white again,

2088
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 15: and specifically making America a safe haven four white men,

2089
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 15: it puts everybody's life at stake. And so we've got

2090
01:55:55,640 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 15: to realize that we can't just sit idly by and say, well,

2091
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 15: they're going after the immigrants, I'm okay. Or they're going

2092
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 15: after the gays or the transgender people.

2093
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 4: I'm okay. They're going after everybody.

2094
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 15: They're going after white folks, they're going after black folks,

2095
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:18,839
Speaker 15: they're going after Somali's, They're going after everybody. Why Because

2096
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 15: this is the message that doctor Wilson best her soul,

2097
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 15: spent her life, spent her career trying to get us

2098
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 15: to understand. This whole issue is about white men being

2099
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 15: able to perpetuate their control of the planet, not just

2100
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 15: the United States of America, but the planet. They want

2101
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 15: all of the resources of the planet, and they would

2102
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 15: do anything necessary in order to get and hold on

2103
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 15: to these resources. So that's what's at stake right now.

2104
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 15: And what's happening right now is no different than what

2105
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:05,240
Speaker 15: was happening forty years ago or one hundred years ago

2106
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 15: or two hundred and fifty years ago when this nation

2107
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 15: was founded. They've been consistent. And so what that requires

2108
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 15: on our part is to cultivate a historical perspective so

2109
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 15: that we can understand not just how we resisted, not

2110
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 15: just how we fought back, but let's look at our victories.

2111
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 15: Let's understand the strategies that we implemented that led to

2112
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 15: periods of success, but also let us understand how we

2113
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 15: were betrayed by some of our own people, all skin

2114
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 15: folk and camfolk, right, And so we need to be

2115
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:52,080
Speaker 15: clear about this battle and more importantly, and this is

2116
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 15: the phase of life that I'm in right now. Those

2117
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 15: of us who are older, those of us who are elders,

2118
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 15: those of us who have the and have the knowledge,

2119
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:05,879
Speaker 15: We've got to take the time now to have serious

2120
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 15: conversation with folks younger than us, Folks in the in

2121
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 15: their fifties, in their forties and their thirties, and the twins,

2122
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 15: and even teenagers. We need to let them know that

2123
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 15: life is short and that you're only going to be

2124
01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:25,040
Speaker 15: a teenager for nine years, but you're going to be

2125
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 15: an adult for the rest of your life. So more

2126
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 15: adults need to be responsible for helping young boys and

2127
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:37,800
Speaker 15: young girls make it through that difficult period from thirteen

2128
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 15: to twenty because that's when the majority of our people

2129
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 15: are lost. So there are things that everybody could be

2130
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:50,919
Speaker 15: doing on some level, and by being engaged in these things,

2131
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 15: by caring for our own, that to me is the

2132
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 15: self reparations that we can give ourselves, that we owe ourselves,

2133
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 15: that we are a great and not great grandparents, and

2134
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 15: the government has no control over that. We control those things.

2135
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:07,720
Speaker 15: And to the extent to which we're willing to take

2136
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:12,080
Speaker 15: responsibility for every black lives in our community is the

2137
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 15: extent to which we will transform our thinking, transform our speech,

2138
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 15: and transform our behavior.

2139
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 4: And when we do.

2140
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 15: Those things and control our lives, then we can impact

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Speaker 15: the lives and white folk. That's what we were doing

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Speaker 15: in the sixties man, with the whole civil rights movement,

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Speaker 15: when black folk began to demonstrate in large for our

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Speaker 15: right to learn, our right to get an education, our

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Speaker 15: right to protect our communities and support black businesses. That

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Speaker 15: helped to set in motion the Black consciousness movement. And

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Speaker 15: as the Black consciousness movement grew, the Black studies movement grew,

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Speaker 15: and the Black studies movement grew, the Black power movement grew.

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Speaker 15: And as all of these black consciousness movements evolved and expanded,

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Speaker 15: we impact the lives of black people all over the planet.

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Speaker 15: And when white folks saw the power that Africans in

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Speaker 15: America possessed, and how if we ever came to our

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Speaker 15: right mind and stopped imitating white folks and started being

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Speaker 15: authentic cells, then that would create a title wave that

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Speaker 15: would sweep the consciousness of people all over the world.

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Speaker 15: Carl I was just looking at the newspaper this morning

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Speaker 15: and saw protests in Iran where a group of Iranian

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Speaker 15: protesters were carrying a banner that said, we shall overcome.

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Speaker 15: If we recall when Chinese were protesting in Tianeman Square,

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Speaker 15: they were singing.

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Speaker 7: We shall overcome.

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Speaker 15: Protest movements in nations all around the planet were inspired

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Speaker 15: by the protest movement of the nineteen sixties. Why because

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Speaker 15: people of African ancestry have a spirit, have a consciousness,

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Speaker 15: have an energy. That's the oldest spirit, that's the most

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Speaker 15: powerful spirit of any people on this planet. Why because

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Speaker 15: we're the oldest people on the planet. We have the

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Speaker 15: longest history of human accomplishment of any human beings who

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Speaker 15: have ever walked the earth. So when we become content

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Speaker 15: to be our authentic selves, when we embrace who we

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Speaker 15: are as people of asking ancestry and acknowledge our ancestors

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Speaker 15: and allow ourselves to be the best as to which

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Speaker 15: those ancestors will live, breath and do their best work,

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Speaker 15: we are transformed. And as a consequence, called everything that

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Speaker 15: we do is transform and we take things to a

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Speaker 15: higher planet. White folk know that and they fear that

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Speaker 15: because that is our superpower. That is what has allowed

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Speaker 15: us to survive, us to thrive where other oppressed people

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Speaker 15: have been terminated. So we're moving into another period where

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Speaker 15: that spirit is going to begin to express itself, and

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Speaker 15: those people who are ready need to understand how to

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Speaker 15: identify that spirit, need to know how to learn to

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Speaker 15: embrace that spirit and to become the willing vessel to

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Speaker 15: which that spirit can work through.

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Speaker 7: So handout though.

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Speaker 1: Right there, brother Tony, we got to step aside for

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Speaker 1: a few moments and I'm just enjoying your monologue and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the other folks are listening as well. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, though, Freedom Bridge has a question for

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Speaker 1: you because you're talking about reparations. Also want to discuss

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Speaker 1: your book. It's this latest book. It's the title is

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Speaker 1: a Broad Perspective, the subtitle of My fifty year Journey

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Speaker 1: to Enlighten, and Tony's going to break that down for

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Speaker 1: us as well. Family, you two can get in a discussion.

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Speaker 1: Just to reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday. Money back gust Chemtologist Tony Browner.

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Speaker 1: Tony is also on off. There's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: other more than Achemutologist, as you just shared with us,

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Speaker 1: and it's gone a new book. The book is called

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Speaker 1: A Browder Perspective, My fifty year Journey to Enlightenment. We've

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Speaker 1: got to get into the book as well. Before we

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Speaker 1: do that, though, I just want to remind you tomorrow's

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Friday, of course you know that. And we can

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Speaker 1: start your King Weekend with us by Joiners for our

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Speaker 1: Open Phone Friday program and you can free your mind

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Speaker 1: starting at six am Eastern Time right here in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty WL. Brother Tony Freedom Bridge has a question

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Speaker 1: for you. It's calling from Pittsburgh, Grand Rising. Freedom Bridge,

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Speaker 1: you're on with Tony Browner.

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Speaker 11: Grand Rising. It's an honor to talk to you, and

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Speaker 11: I want to talk a little bit about the reparations.

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02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:43,560
Speaker 11: I'm sorry when you say that we're probably never going

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02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 11: to get it. That might be true if we let

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02:03:46,760 --> 02:03:50,200
Speaker 11: it happen, because as long as we participate, you played

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02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:53,320
Speaker 11: the game with your oppressor. You get on that put

2219
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,160
Speaker 11: your kids on that bus, you're not getting an education,

2220
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:59,200
Speaker 11: you're getting indoctrinated to serve them. And the two we

2221
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Speaker 11: start our own party and tell our story what happened

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Speaker 11: to us in America and what we're owed, because as

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Speaker 11: long as we stay divided, they will always be conquered.

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Speaker 11: And that's the thing, Like you said, everybody that looks

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02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 11: like us don't think like us. We have to separate

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Speaker 11: this but for us to change things, we have to

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Speaker 11: start our own party. We had Obama in there, if

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Speaker 11: we'd have marched on him after all that time, we

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Speaker 11: went out and voted for him and told him, we

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Speaker 11: need you to sign an executive order for reparations we

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Speaker 11: were afraid. And as long as we live in and

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Speaker 11: let our fears determine our future, we're always going to

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Speaker 11: keep recycling ourselves saying the same.

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Speaker 4: Thing, can't be done, can't be done.

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Speaker 11: And I'm just saying to you. And when Ms Francis

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Speaker 11: Neelie Fuller was a big part of influence of her

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02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:51,839
Speaker 11: life because both of them had those same same focus,

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02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 11: the same idea. Until we wake up and could talking

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Speaker 11: stuff and participating with our enemy and not see that

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Speaker 11: we've been trained to participate in our own dem All.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's give me a chance to response. I thank you,

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Speaker 1: Freedom Bridge, Go ahead, Tony, thank you for your call.

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Speaker 7: Brother.

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Speaker 15: Yes, sir, I appreciate what you have to say, and

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02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:15,000
Speaker 15: you preaching to the choir. I understand those things. I'm

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02:05:15,120 --> 02:05:19,040
Speaker 15: very clear about that reality. I also am very clear

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02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 15: that folks have been talking about us creating our own

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Speaker 15: for well over century, and so there are those people

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Speaker 15: who will think about it. There will be those people

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Speaker 15: who will never do it. So we've got to do

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Speaker 15: multiple things simultaneously. We cannot put all of our aids

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02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 15: in one basket because that's one sure way of undermining

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Speaker 15: anything that we attempt to do. So I accept the

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Speaker 15: fact that black people are not a monolithic We have

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Speaker 15: going through different degrees of indoctrination. We have different perspectives,

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Speaker 15: we have different faiths, we have different levels of intelligence,

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Speaker 15: we have different levels of financial stability and spiritual awareness.

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Speaker 15: We've got a lot of things going on, so let's

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Speaker 15: not delude ourselves. We always have to be realistic in

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Speaker 15: assession what the problems are and be able to move strategically.

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Speaker 15: Speaking to that point, I do want to I do

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Speaker 15: want to acknowledge a sister who should be remembered, Sister

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Speaker 15: cladak Covin, who passed earlier this week on the thirteenth.

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Speaker 4: For those of you who are.

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Speaker 15: Not aware, clardak Covin was a fifteen year old girl

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Speaker 15: in Montgomery, Alabama, who was one of the first people

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Speaker 15: arrested for refusing to give up her seat, and that

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Speaker 15: the NAACP in Montgomery decided not to support her case

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Speaker 15: for a variety of reasons. Some have one has one reason,

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Speaker 15: and this is the same for truth. But it's the truth,

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Speaker 15: and it's an issue that we're still dealing with today.

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Speaker 15: One of the reasons why they decided not to support

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Speaker 15: her was because she was a young girl, she had

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Speaker 15: dropped out of school, she was from the lower socioeconomic

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Speaker 15: class within the black community. She was from the other

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Speaker 15: side of the tracks, and she was dark skinned, right,

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Speaker 15: And so they waited until nine months later when a

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Speaker 15: lighter skin, straighted hair woman by the name of Rosa Parks,

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Speaker 15: who was an institution within the community. She was someone

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Speaker 15: that they felt that they could put their money behind

2281
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Speaker 15: and push this agenda for desegregating the bus system. And

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02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 15: it was a Montgomery bus boycott which jump started the

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Speaker 15: career of doctor Martin Luther King. So historical context is everything,

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Speaker 15: but the same problems that product COVID faced the same

2285
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Speaker 15: problems we're dealing with right now.

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Speaker 4: So we still have issues that we have to confront.

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Speaker 15: And you know, I have a vested interest in sister

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Speaker 15: Clouta Covin because I knew her family. I was friends

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Speaker 15: with her son, her granddaughter, and her daughter in law,

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Speaker 15: and so I've heard stories from them about her life,

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Speaker 15: about the things that she battled against within her own community.

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Speaker 15: So I'm very clear that as we strive to battle

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Speaker 15: our oppressor of the white man, we have to battle

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Speaker 15: many of our own people, and we will never get

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Speaker 15: all of our people in lockstep. And so it's important

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Speaker 15: that we find the calls that we're willing to fight for,

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02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:48,280
Speaker 15: find a mountain or a hill that we're willing to

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Speaker 15: die on, because, as doctor King said, people quote them

2299
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Speaker 15: all the time, but they're very selective about the quotes.

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Speaker 15: Doctor King said, if you've not found something that you're

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Speaker 15: willing to give your lifeboard, you have not found a

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Speaker 15: reason to li is. And so I have given my

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Speaker 15: life to studying our history and culture. I have given

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Speaker 15: my life to using my skills as an artist, as

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Speaker 15: a graphic designer, as someone who understands marketing and promotions,

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Speaker 15: to find a way to make Black history, black culture,

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Speaker 15: African spirituality palatable to a people who've been socialized to

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Speaker 15: not like reading, to be afraid of Africa, to be

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Speaker 15: fearful of Askan spirituality. That's a full time job, and

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Speaker 15: we're still scratching the surface. So it's not a matter

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Speaker 15: of either or what strategy should we be engaged in

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Speaker 15: in our efforts to liberate our people mentally, physically, financially,

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Speaker 15: and spiritually. We need to be working on all fronts.

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Speaker 15: But what's important is we need to not fight each other.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 15: We need to support any sister brother who is doing

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Speaker 15: something that is noble and who has good intentions deserving

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Speaker 15: of your support, because not everybody is going to do everything.

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02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:08,360
Speaker 15: But there's different ways that you can support those people

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Speaker 15: who are doing admirable work. If we think back to

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Speaker 15: King and the civil rights movement, there were people, business

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Speaker 15: people that were entertainers who were out front and supporting Kings,

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Speaker 15: But there were others who said, but no, I don't

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Speaker 15: want to jeopardize my career, but I'll give you one

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Speaker 15: hundred thousand dollars. I will help hire attorneys so that

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Speaker 15: you can get people out of jail. Not everybody is

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Speaker 15: on the front line, Not everybody needs to be on.

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Speaker 4: The front line.

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Speaker 15: So we need to work strategically. But the most important thing.

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Speaker 7: Is we need to work.

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02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:46,160
Speaker 15: We need to work because this struggle is not going

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Speaker 15: to end without people working and being willing to work hard,

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Speaker 15: being willing to work without any reward, being willing.

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Speaker 4: To die if necessary.

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Speaker 15: But you can demonstrate to your children and your grandchildren

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Speaker 15: what real men and women are supposed to do, the

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Speaker 15: sacrifices that they're supposed to make for the future generations.

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Speaker 15: And I say all of that in the larger context

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Speaker 15: of understanding African spirituality. African spirituality is founded in the understanding,

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Speaker 15: not the belief, but the understanding, based on thousands of

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Speaker 15: years of practical knowledge, that we were not born in sin.

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Speaker 15: We were born with the connection with the Spirit, with

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Speaker 15: the Creator, with the ancestors, and that life is eternal,

2344
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:37,480
Speaker 15: that we come back, and the quality of life we

2345
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:40,760
Speaker 15: experience when we come back will be determined by the

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Speaker 15: quality of life we live in the prior lifetime. So

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02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 15: life is a continuum. And when you know that, when

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02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:51,120
Speaker 15: you understand that, then you have the capacity to be

2349
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:56,400
Speaker 15: infused by spirit, to be infused by your ancestors who

2350
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:00,080
Speaker 15: will see you as a worthy vessel for them to work.

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Speaker 4: Through Doctor King. Right now, doctor.

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Speaker 15: King's spirit or the spirit that motivated doctor King and

2353
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:08,640
Speaker 15: Abernathy and Malcolm X and those of Parks, as so

2354
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:11,840
Speaker 15: many known and unknown sisters and brothers.

2355
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:14,360
Speaker 4: Who fought and died just for us to have.

2356
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 15: The opportunity to have this conversation on the radio station

2357
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:21,160
Speaker 15: right now. Right people die to make these things possible,

2358
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:24,440
Speaker 15: and that even though they physically may be going, the

2359
02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:27,400
Speaker 15: spirit that motivated them is still very much alive. And

2360
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 15: when you know that, when you understand that, then you

2361
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 15: can allow yourself to be a receptive vessel for that

2362
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:39,040
Speaker 15: spirit to move through you and the process continued. So

2363
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:43,040
Speaker 15: it's a level of understanding, it's a level of appreciation

2364
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:47,520
Speaker 15: for who we are as nulinated people. That our oppressor

2365
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 15: will never teach you that.

2366
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:54,520
Speaker 1: They've got some folks want to talk to you, and

2367
02:12:54,920 --> 02:12:57,400
Speaker 1: we're come upon a break. But sister Serena's calling from La.

2368
02:12:57,680 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: Once you talk to you, she's online too. Grand rizing.

2369
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:02,080
Speaker 1: This a Serena with Tony Browner.

2370
02:13:03,160 --> 02:13:07,680
Speaker 16: Yes, grum rising. And again always when mister Tony brought

2371
02:13:07,720 --> 02:13:10,680
Speaker 16: us on the shows, that it's quality, It's just quality.

2372
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,600
Speaker 16: This is what you call quality radio. I have a

2373
02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:17,879
Speaker 16: quick question, brother Tony, and that is, do you believe

2374
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:22,600
Speaker 16: that it is possibility that fell in forty seven being

2375
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:26,160
Speaker 16: in office? Do you believe that that is a possibility,

2376
02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:29,839
Speaker 16: that it is a blessing in disguise and that now

2377
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,520
Speaker 16: there is no choice but to you know the word

2378
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:35,880
Speaker 16: where you on the pot, either do what you do

2379
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,000
Speaker 16: or get up. So I don't think you're coming off

2380
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:41,000
Speaker 16: the air because I like to just listen to you.

2381
02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:43,960
Speaker 16: I pay attention to you. I know who you are,

2382
02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:46,040
Speaker 16: so I'll take my comment off the air. Thank you

2383
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:47,040
Speaker 16: Carl for taking my car.

2384
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,320
Speaker 15: All right, thank you, sister Serena. And I would just

2385
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 15: augment one thing that you said. I don't believe. I

2386
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:57,640
Speaker 15: believe it's something except without proof. We live in a

2387
02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:00,120
Speaker 15: will based on thought.

2388
02:14:00,280 --> 02:14:01,400
Speaker 4: Actions and knowledge.

2389
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:05,920
Speaker 15: So I know understanding that everything is everything, everything is connected,

2390
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:09,080
Speaker 15: everything is interconnected, that the presence, the return of the

2391
02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:14,920
Speaker 15: Devil Incarnate is not just something that's happening by happening stance.

2392
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:19,720
Speaker 15: He is here in order to bring to the forefront

2393
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:23,200
Speaker 15: people like a vice president of Advanced people like Steven Miller,

2394
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:26,680
Speaker 15: people like all these other devils that he has surrounded

2395
02:14:26,760 --> 02:14:31,400
Speaker 15: himself with, to pull the hood off of who they

2396
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:35,640
Speaker 15: really are and expose them to the world. They're even

2397
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 15: disassociating themselves from their own white cousins in Europe. So

2398
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 15: they are the Devil incarnate and people should be able

2399
02:14:45,480 --> 02:14:50,280
Speaker 15: to finally see for themselves. Who you've always been dealing with.

2400
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:55,080
Speaker 15: And if you can't see what's going on and what

2401
02:14:55,320 --> 02:14:59,440
Speaker 15: time it is and know how to respond appropriately, than

2402
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:05,839
Speaker 15: shame on you. The time for talking is passed. These

2403
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:06,760
Speaker 15: are time.

2404
02:15:07,080 --> 02:15:10,040
Speaker 4: Of action, and if you don't know what to do,

2405
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:13,800
Speaker 4: once again shame on you.

2406
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:17,680
Speaker 15: So there will be people who will be swept under

2407
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:20,720
Speaker 15: the road, uh the wild. There are many people who

2408
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:24,440
Speaker 15: are lost, and that's just the way it is. But

2409
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:28,240
Speaker 15: there are also many people who are ready to do something.

2410
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:31,760
Speaker 15: And so what I'm encouraging those listeners who are in

2411
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 15: that position to be thoughtful with what you do. Don't

2412
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:39,760
Speaker 15: just react, don't be goaded into doing something.

2413
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:42,040
Speaker 7: Foolish for just what you know.

2414
02:15:42,200 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 15: ICE and these other the stoppo tactics that are being

2415
02:15:47,800 --> 02:15:52,440
Speaker 15: used now are being used to go people into reacting

2416
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:55,280
Speaker 15: violently so that they can drop the hammer on everyone.

2417
02:15:55,600 --> 02:16:00,480
Speaker 15: I heard someone yesterday on the radio mentioned that many

2418
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:05,000
Speaker 15: of these people who have been recruited for ICE have

2419
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:08,560
Speaker 15: no experience and no real training. And a number, a

2420
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:11,680
Speaker 15: large number of these people with some of the January

2421
02:16:11,720 --> 02:16:17,280
Speaker 15: sixth people who were recently pardoned by forty seven. So

2422
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:21,360
Speaker 15: understand the games that's being played. Understand that these people

2423
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 15: are making their last stand because they know time is

2424
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:28,800
Speaker 15: just about up, so they are desperate. The backs are

2425
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:33,320
Speaker 15: against the wall, and let us not fall victim to

2426
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:36,480
Speaker 15: the games that they are playing. Now is the time

2427
02:16:36,560 --> 02:16:40,920
Speaker 15: to be clear and to be decisive about how we

2428
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:41,760
Speaker 15: move forward.

2429
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:42,320
Speaker 7: Again.

2430
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:45,120
Speaker 15: I say that with the understanding that not everybody is

2431
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:47,440
Speaker 15: going to be capable of doing that, but those who

2432
02:16:47,560 --> 02:16:50,760
Speaker 15: understand what time it is positioning yourself to be able

2433
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:55,959
Speaker 15: to move decisively, And as ray Winbush said earlier this

2434
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,760
Speaker 15: week on your show call, you need to have a passport,

2435
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:03,200
Speaker 15: need to have some cash that you can get your

2436
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:08,680
Speaker 15: hands on quickly. So if circumstances require you making an

2437
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 15: exit expeditiously, you're in a position to do that. If not,

2438
02:17:13,720 --> 02:17:16,000
Speaker 15: then you need to be able. You need to get fired,

2439
02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:20,160
Speaker 15: to hunk it down and protect yourself, protect your family

2440
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:23,960
Speaker 15: by any means necessary. And how you go out, we

2441
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:27,280
Speaker 15: determine how you come back the hold.

2442
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:29,560
Speaker 1: I thought, right there, brother, Tony, step aside for a

2443
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:32,000
Speaker 1: few moments. Yes, stay right there with us. I got

2444
02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:34,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks across the country got questions for

2445
02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:36,480
Speaker 1: you family. You two can get in a conversation with

2446
02:17:36,760 --> 02:17:38,920
Speaker 1: Tony Browner just reach out to us at eight hundred

2447
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,920
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll

2448
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:44,680
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and grind Ryseing family, thanks

2449
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:47,600
Speaker 1: for sticking with us on this Thursday morning. Here that

2450
02:17:47,720 --> 02:17:51,960
Speaker 1: January fifteenth, big significant day in our history. I guess

2451
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:54,080
Speaker 1: there's a Tony Browner. Tony's got a new book out

2452
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:55,400
Speaker 1: with him and a chance to talk about it both

2453
02:17:55,400 --> 02:17:57,959
Speaker 1: because a bunch of folks got questions for Brother Tony.

2454
02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:59,840
Speaker 1: So Brother Tony, we can show up on the responses.

2455
02:18:00,040 --> 02:18:04,280
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. First up stop in Washington, d C. Brother

2456
02:18:04,400 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 1: no Aquabanda Brown, he's been on this program before. Grand Rising,

2457
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:10,560
Speaker 1: Brother Nonaquabanda Brown. You're on with Tony Browner.

2458
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:15,520
Speaker 17: Well, this is my honor and pleasure too. He had

2459
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:16,440
Speaker 17: to show this morning.

2460
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:17,879
Speaker 4: To know Tony Browner.

2461
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:22,200
Speaker 17: I just applaud the wisdom that he's given and I

2462
02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:24,039
Speaker 17: thank you so much, and I thank you Carl for

2463
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:27,480
Speaker 17: writing the opportunity for us to head this man's wisdom.

2464
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:30,440
Speaker 17: He is truly one of the chosen ones.

2465
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:34,400
Speaker 4: That's my comment, Brother Tony.

2466
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:40,720
Speaker 15: Nana Kravnav was the person who began me on this

2467
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 15: journey in nineteen seventy five, almost fifty one years ago.

2468
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 15: So it means so much to have you call in

2469
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:52,000
Speaker 15: and acknowledge my work, and I want to return the

2470
02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:54,640
Speaker 15: favor and acknowledge you as a person who put me

2471
02:18:54,680 --> 02:18:55,280
Speaker 15: on this path.

2472
02:18:55,360 --> 02:18:57,520
Speaker 4: So thank you, my brother. I appreciate you and love.

2473
02:18:57,360 --> 02:18:58,600
Speaker 7: You to life.

2474
02:18:59,240 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 4: God bless you said.

2475
02:19:00,879 --> 02:19:04,080
Speaker 1: All right, and those are outside of the DMV. Brother

2476
02:19:04,640 --> 02:19:07,440
Speaker 1: don at Cobana Brownie, he's one of the it's one

2477
02:19:07,440 --> 02:19:09,480
Speaker 1: of the icons in Washington, d C. And it's been

2478
02:19:09,480 --> 02:19:11,160
Speaker 1: on here several times. We need to get him back

2479
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:13,160
Speaker 1: on the radios. Well, thank you for calling this morning.

2480
02:19:13,560 --> 02:19:16,200
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2481
02:19:16,360 --> 02:19:19,360
Speaker 1: Darrishes call us from Long Island in Nassau County is

2482
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:24,039
Speaker 1: online two grand rising, Darrish A question for Tony Browner Gren.

2483
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:28,400
Speaker 4: And mister Broder and Carl. I have two questions or

2484
02:19:29,320 --> 02:19:31,879
Speaker 4: two things. You just said something to me that just

2485
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:35,520
Speaker 4: dawg on me and blew my mind. You said you

2486
02:19:35,560 --> 02:19:39,120
Speaker 4: saw that they had the the reshow over coming Iran,

2487
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,600
Speaker 4: right and China and all that. But we all know

2488
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:48,600
Speaker 4: that who stokes those kind of protests in those nations,

2489
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:51,440
Speaker 4: So you're telling me they're taking our hour struggle. Well,

2490
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:53,640
Speaker 4: we hear that they fighting buses in my head up

2491
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:56,039
Speaker 4: over and take it across the season some other country

2492
02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:59,039
Speaker 4: that they want to overthrow and uses it there. Isn't

2493
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:02,840
Speaker 4: that kind of ironical? Isn't that just crazy when you

2494
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:05,840
Speaker 4: look at it like that? No, it's not crazy.

2495
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:06,040
Speaker 7: Brother.

2496
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:09,880
Speaker 15: What I'm saying is you have to think in terms

2497
02:20:10,040 --> 02:20:15,800
Speaker 15: of the spirit that moved through doctor Kane and all

2498
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:18,880
Speaker 15: of the young sisters and brothers that march with him,

2499
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:21,600
Speaker 15: faught with him, and died with them. If you study

2500
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:23,959
Speaker 15: what they went through, if you study how they were trained,

2501
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:28,120
Speaker 15: they were afraid, and before they would go out and

2502
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:31,920
Speaker 15: march and protests, they would sing. And a lot of

2503
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:37,160
Speaker 15: the songs that they sang were songs that were religious

2504
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:40,800
Speaker 15: songs that were modified for a broader aurience. And Curtis

2505
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:43,640
Speaker 15: Mayfield had a major role to play in that. I

2506
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:46,840
Speaker 15: just saw a documentary about Curtis Mayfield and the role

2507
02:20:46,879 --> 02:20:49,720
Speaker 15: that he played and help him to inspire the civil

2508
02:20:49,800 --> 02:20:50,360
Speaker 15: rights movement.

2509
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,400
Speaker 4: So it was this energy that.

2510
02:20:52,480 --> 02:20:55,840
Speaker 15: Was passed on through the songs that inspired these people

2511
02:20:55,879 --> 02:20:59,160
Speaker 15: to go out and face two legged dogs and four

2512
02:20:59,240 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 15: legged dogs. So that spirit is not limited by borders.

2513
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:05,600
Speaker 15: That spirit moves all over the world. Of what I'm

2514
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:09,119
Speaker 15: what I'm was referring to is that that same spirit

2515
02:21:09,360 --> 02:21:13,039
Speaker 15: was present in China, that same spirit is present right

2516
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:17,400
Speaker 15: now and Iran. That same spirit was president in South Africa.

2517
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:19,880
Speaker 15: So that's the force that the right man or the

2518
02:21:19,879 --> 02:21:24,000
Speaker 15: forces of opposition can't stop. And you need to become

2519
02:21:24,040 --> 02:21:28,360
Speaker 15: aware how things function on that level and do more

2520
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:31,120
Speaker 15: work on that level to coincide with the work that

2521
02:21:31,160 --> 02:21:33,160
Speaker 15: we're doing on the physical and financial level.

2522
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:38,280
Speaker 4: The next question I have so to answer that you're saying,

2523
02:21:38,280 --> 02:21:40,959
Speaker 4: so they basically work. They'll see all struggling in the

2524
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,480
Speaker 4: movement and the spirit and what's trying to co opt

2525
02:21:43,480 --> 02:21:47,240
Speaker 4: to use it for themselves to get these go out.

2526
02:21:47,560 --> 02:21:49,280
Speaker 15: It ain't. It ain't co opt brother, it ain't it

2527
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:53,400
Speaker 15: ain't co out right. If you find something that's good,

2528
02:21:53,800 --> 02:21:55,279
Speaker 15: something that's useful.

2529
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:55,920
Speaker 7: You're going to use.

2530
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,360
Speaker 15: If you see somebody's doing something that you think is important,

2531
02:21:59,440 --> 02:21:59,960
Speaker 15: you're gonna tie.

2532
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:01,040
Speaker 4: You're not co opting it.

2533
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:04,800
Speaker 15: You're taking what someone else has done, what you've seen,

2534
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:08,320
Speaker 15: what you deem is valuable, and you're using it to

2535
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:10,160
Speaker 15: enhance your experience.

2536
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 4: It's not copy right all right, So my next question

2537
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:18,080
Speaker 4: is that, yes, sir, all right. My next question is this.

2538
02:22:18,400 --> 02:22:21,200
Speaker 4: I noticed this thing from from when Obama came in

2539
02:22:21,720 --> 02:22:25,200
Speaker 4: to Clinton was running, even before when Obama was running,

2540
02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:29,360
Speaker 4: they the system or I'll say, the white folks in

2541
02:22:29,400 --> 02:22:31,840
Speaker 4: America will not take blame. They won't take blames for slavery.

2542
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:35,480
Speaker 4: They'll deflect it and say, oh, it's Jewish people or

2543
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:37,760
Speaker 4: they were doing it. And then and then when when

2544
02:22:37,800 --> 02:22:39,560
Speaker 4: you re checked down on them, they'll say, oh no,

2545
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:41,520
Speaker 4: it's designist that's doing it, or this and that, and

2546
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:43,520
Speaker 4: there's never no blame. And then when you when you

2547
02:22:43,879 --> 02:22:47,199
Speaker 4: focused in on that, then they'll say, oh no, it's immigrants,

2548
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:49,520
Speaker 4: and then it's oh no, no, it's intilerment, spinish. So

2549
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:52,080
Speaker 4: it's like there's no blame to be took. So that's

2550
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:54,880
Speaker 4: why I feel in this nation it can't deal with

2551
02:22:54,959 --> 02:22:57,800
Speaker 4: anything because they're not taking accountability for anything. It's always

2552
02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:00,560
Speaker 4: somebody else or always something else that is problem. It's

2553
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:02,560
Speaker 4: never hey, this is what's going on, this is what

2554
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:05,120
Speaker 4: you've been doing. And if y'all don't deal with that first,

2555
02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:06,960
Speaker 4: y'all will never be able to deal with anything because

2556
02:23:06,959 --> 02:23:09,440
Speaker 4: you can't see yourself as a problem is it's something

2557
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:11,680
Speaker 4: that they're going to say. Their whiteness is is going

2558
02:23:11,720 --> 02:23:14,240
Speaker 4: to be affected if they have to deal with what

2559
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:17,120
Speaker 4: they're doing to everyone. If they're not even saying they

2560
02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:18,800
Speaker 4: focus on black people, know when they do not things

2561
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:21,840
Speaker 4: everybody now, which has always been the plan. And that's

2562
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:25,040
Speaker 4: it for there is there is. Have you ever known

2563
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:27,840
Speaker 4: a criminal to admit their guilt?

2564
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:28,720
Speaker 7: No?

2565
02:23:29,400 --> 02:23:35,039
Speaker 15: Absolutely, rightways deny they always ignore them. Understand and recognize criminal.

2566
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:37,640
Speaker 4: Behavior when you see it, right, that's what it is.

2567
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:41,360
Speaker 15: And don't get mad at them because they're not acknowledging

2568
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:44,440
Speaker 15: their guilt. They would never acknowledge it. That ain't their job.

2569
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:46,000
Speaker 4: But it's your job to.

2570
02:23:46,120 --> 02:23:51,480
Speaker 15: Recognize criminal behavior and then to know what the appropriate

2571
02:23:51,560 --> 02:23:52,320
Speaker 15: response should be.

2572
02:23:52,400 --> 02:23:53,800
Speaker 4: That's the only thing you got control over.

2573
02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:56,280
Speaker 15: You ain't got control over those dogs, those gangsters, but

2574
02:23:56,400 --> 02:24:00,879
Speaker 15: you've got control over yourself. Exercise control over yourself. That's

2575
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:05,480
Speaker 15: why I made the point. That's that's self reparations. You

2576
02:24:05,640 --> 02:24:09,640
Speaker 15: repair your site, you repair your memory, you repair your

2577
02:24:09,800 --> 02:24:13,840
Speaker 15: historical culture and spiritual connection, and you operate from that position.

2578
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:15,879
Speaker 15: That's how you even the score.

2579
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:21,040
Speaker 1: All right, thank you Dallas. All Right, Samon have to

2580
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:23,040
Speaker 1: tough day. Let's go to La. Dorothy is waiting for

2581
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:28,840
Speaker 1: us online. Five Grand Rising, Dorothy, you're on with Tony Browner, Yes.

2582
02:24:28,920 --> 02:24:33,440
Speaker 18: Grand Rising, Yes, but Tony Browner, thank you so much

2583
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:38,200
Speaker 18: for the conversation this morning. One item that you did

2584
02:24:38,320 --> 02:24:46,279
Speaker 18: not mention regarding Miss Covid was that the Montgomery Black

2585
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:53,040
Speaker 18: leaders they did not want to publicize COVID's pioneering effort

2586
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:59,200
Speaker 18: because at the age of fifteen, she was pregnant when

2587
02:24:59,360 --> 02:25:05,160
Speaker 18: she said, and unmarried when she sat on the bus

2588
02:25:05,320 --> 02:25:09,920
Speaker 18: and would not moved. So I I just wanted to

2589
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:13,200
Speaker 18: ensure that you were aware of that. Thank you so much,

2590
02:25:13,360 --> 02:25:13,800
Speaker 18: my sister.

2591
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:15,800
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, thank you so much. And there's a lot

2592
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:17,840
Speaker 15: of things that haven't covered because they don't have time.

2593
02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:20,760
Speaker 15: But what I can share with you because I met

2594
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:22,800
Speaker 15: Misscovi as a matter of fact, they had the opportunity

2595
02:25:22,920 --> 02:25:25,920
Speaker 15: to dance with her in her wheelchair three years ago

2596
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:29,680
Speaker 15: at her granddaughter's wedding. Really really wonderful spirit. But she

2597
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,000
Speaker 15: was not pregnant at the time that she was arrested

2598
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:37,600
Speaker 15: when she was fifteen. She got pregnant later, and she

2599
02:25:37,959 --> 02:25:41,840
Speaker 15: referred to her impregnation as statutory rape. It was a

2600
02:25:41,959 --> 02:25:45,920
Speaker 15: married man who took advantage of her, and so at

2601
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:49,680
Speaker 15: the time that her case was moving forward, she became pregnant.

2602
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:53,280
Speaker 15: She gave birth when she was sixteen, So there were

2603
02:25:53,320 --> 02:25:58,400
Speaker 15: a number of extenuating circumstances that excluded her from being

2604
02:25:58,520 --> 02:26:01,280
Speaker 15: the poster child for then gummy bus boycott.

2605
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:02,720
Speaker 4: And you know, it's.

2606
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:06,720
Speaker 15: Political, it's social. Uh, there are hosts of other factors,

2607
02:26:06,959 --> 02:26:11,880
Speaker 15: but my point is bringing her up. Let's remember many

2608
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:13,560
Speaker 15: of the unnamed soldiers.

2609
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:14,240
Speaker 12: Uh.

2610
02:26:14,959 --> 02:26:18,720
Speaker 15: I'm so glad that Carl often has uh Wacassa Willie

2611
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:21,640
Speaker 15: rix on the on his show because he's one of

2612
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:26,280
Speaker 15: those unnamed foot soldiers who did not make it in

2613
02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:29,039
Speaker 15: the history books, but they had a very important role

2614
02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:32,200
Speaker 15: to play in this historical undertaking. So thank you for

2615
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:34,400
Speaker 15: your call, Dorothy, appreciate you all.

2616
02:26:34,520 --> 02:26:38,720
Speaker 1: Right, Stands checking in from Chicago's online six Grand Rising

2617
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:40,119
Speaker 1: Standing are on with Tony Browder.

2618
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,560
Speaker 10: Greetings and Grant Rising, Carl and.

2619
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:45,960
Speaker 7: Broder.

2620
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:50,240
Speaker 14: Tony Broder, thank you for your time. I agree with

2621
02:26:50,320 --> 02:26:54,400
Speaker 14: everything you've said so far as it relates to just

2622
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:57,680
Speaker 14: get in the work done that needs to be done

2623
02:26:57,760 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 14: right now. I have a you know, I feel a

2624
02:26:59,360 --> 02:27:01,760
Speaker 14: certain way about it because been planning for this for

2625
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:05,960
Speaker 14: a while and people don't seem to want to wake

2626
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:09,720
Speaker 14: up to what's happening. So what do we do to

2627
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:10,840
Speaker 14: do for those people?

2628
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:12,440
Speaker 10: Or we just keep doing the work because a lot

2629
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:15,760
Speaker 10: of times they always have their ways of interjecting, and

2630
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:17,680
Speaker 10: it's in a way I feel like I've been planning

2631
02:27:17,720 --> 02:27:20,640
Speaker 10: for this moment my entire life. You know what I'm saying.

2632
02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:23,760
Speaker 10: So you know, staying your lane, everybody, It works for driving,

2633
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:25,840
Speaker 10: you know, just do what you know how to do.

2634
02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:27,039
Speaker 7: But let us work.

2635
02:27:27,560 --> 02:27:28,879
Speaker 4: What do you have to say about that, sir.

2636
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:34,039
Speaker 15: We're staying Is that stated previously less than ten percent

2637
02:27:34,360 --> 02:27:36,800
Speaker 15: are going to be involved in doing the work. It

2638
02:27:36,879 --> 02:27:40,520
Speaker 15: ain't about everybody being involved. It's a small percentage of

2639
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:44,920
Speaker 15: people who are doing the work, and even smaller percentage

2640
02:27:45,240 --> 02:27:48,720
Speaker 15: that are in the leadership and need even smaller percentage

2641
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:52,320
Speaker 15: that selects the leaders and gives them their marching orders.

2642
02:27:52,320 --> 02:27:54,840
Speaker 15: So there is this hierarchy to every aspect of life.

2643
02:27:55,400 --> 02:27:58,440
Speaker 15: As you said, Stan, it's a matter that people finding

2644
02:27:58,840 --> 02:28:02,200
Speaker 15: a lane that they're comfortable being in and stay in

2645
02:28:02,280 --> 02:28:04,760
Speaker 15: that lane and do something. I want to give your

2646
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:05,200
Speaker 15: hands up.

2647
02:28:05,240 --> 02:28:05,440
Speaker 7: Brother.

2648
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:08,200
Speaker 15: I'll be coming to Chicago on the thirteenth of March.

2649
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:12,120
Speaker 15: We're looking at doing an engagement at Malcolm X Community

2650
02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:14,920
Speaker 15: College or the near west side or my part of town.

2651
02:28:15,360 --> 02:28:17,240
Speaker 15: Keep your eyes and ears open and I hope to

2652
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:20,039
Speaker 15: see you in a couple of months in Shytown.

2653
02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:24,680
Speaker 1: All right, and Tony, there's some folks who don't standing

2654
02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:27,080
Speaker 1: is implying that don't not going to get involved, never

2655
02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:31,080
Speaker 1: will get involved because the content with their own situation

2656
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:32,920
Speaker 1: that they're in right now, you know, they don't want

2657
02:28:32,959 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 1: to rock the boat. Some of them don't want to

2658
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:37,240
Speaker 1: hear this information because they'll force them to make changes

2659
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:40,280
Speaker 1: in their minds in their lifestyle. So what do you

2660
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:42,240
Speaker 1: say to those folks before I take another call for you?

2661
02:28:43,440 --> 02:28:46,439
Speaker 15: So, so, look, man, we got to be realistic about

2662
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:48,720
Speaker 15: about human activity.

2663
02:28:48,879 --> 02:28:49,000
Speaker 7: Right.

2664
02:28:49,720 --> 02:28:52,120
Speaker 15: If we think back to when people were enslaved, there

2665
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:56,200
Speaker 15: were three different types of enslaved Africans here in this country.

2666
02:28:56,520 --> 02:28:59,800
Speaker 15: They were the enslaved Africans who believed that they were

2667
02:28:59,800 --> 02:29:02,600
Speaker 15: born on in sin, who believed that God ordained for

2668
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:05,080
Speaker 15: them to be slaves and that they should obey their

2669
02:29:05,160 --> 02:29:07,840
Speaker 15: masters and get the reward and a great by and by,

2670
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:12,240
Speaker 15: and they would turn on an African who broke their

2671
02:29:12,320 --> 02:29:14,320
Speaker 15: instruments or assault to run away.

2672
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:15,240
Speaker 4: That's real.

2673
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:19,840
Speaker 15: There's another group of Africans who could not be, could

2674
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:22,640
Speaker 15: not write, but they knew slavery was right. They didn't

2675
02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:26,320
Speaker 15: have the intelligence, they didn't have the skill set to

2676
02:29:26,440 --> 02:29:28,720
Speaker 15: know what to do, but they knew something was right.

2677
02:29:28,840 --> 02:29:31,880
Speaker 15: So when someone like Harriet Tubman came to them and said, look,

2678
02:29:32,160 --> 02:29:34,840
Speaker 15: we're leaving, they were ready to go because they wanted

2679
02:29:34,879 --> 02:29:37,520
Speaker 15: to escape that position. And then there's a third type

2680
02:29:38,120 --> 02:29:42,840
Speaker 15: of African who were willing to either live free or

2681
02:29:42,959 --> 02:29:45,360
Speaker 15: die trying to get free. That was Harret Tubman. That

2682
02:29:45,440 --> 02:29:47,400
Speaker 15: was not turning, you know. That was all of those

2683
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:50,520
Speaker 15: African men, women and children who did what needed to

2684
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:52,920
Speaker 15: be done in order to free themselves. And then the

2685
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:55,440
Speaker 15: process of freeing themselves. If we look at sister Harriet

2686
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:59,320
Speaker 15: as a prototype as example, she freed herself, but then

2687
02:29:59,400 --> 02:30:02,960
Speaker 15: she came and risk her freedom nineteen times to save

2688
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:06,360
Speaker 15: everybody in their family except one of their sisters. Sister

2689
02:30:06,440 --> 02:30:10,960
Speaker 15: Harriet Tubman engaged in one of the largest efforts to

2690
02:30:11,160 --> 02:30:15,680
Speaker 15: free black people in American history. She participated with some

2691
02:30:16,120 --> 02:30:21,600
Speaker 15: black soldiers in South Carolina and freed over eight hundred

2692
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:25,480
Speaker 15: enslaved Africans that's American history. That's the history that should

2693
02:30:25,520 --> 02:30:29,080
Speaker 15: be celebrated, as we commemorate the two hundred and fiftieth

2694
02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:33,480
Speaker 15: anniversary of the United States of America, as we commemorate

2695
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:38,119
Speaker 15: the one hundred and sixty fifth anniversary of the Civil War,

2696
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:41,320
Speaker 15: as we commemorate the one hundred anniversary next month of

2697
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:44,359
Speaker 15: Negro History Week. So if we don't tell our story,

2698
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:46,560
Speaker 15: if we don't lift up those sisters and brothers, they

2699
02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:49,199
Speaker 15: will be forgotten. But just as they were three classifications

2700
02:30:49,240 --> 02:30:52,879
Speaker 15: of the slaved Africans two hundred years ago, there's three

2701
02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:56,920
Speaker 15: different classifications of mentally a slave Africans walking around in

2702
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:58,520
Speaker 15: the streets of every city today.

2703
02:30:58,920 --> 02:30:59,800
Speaker 4: Just recognize that.

2704
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:03,640
Speaker 15: Just accept that you ain't going to get everybody, work

2705
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:05,920
Speaker 15: with those that you can work with, do the best

2706
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:07,400
Speaker 15: you can, and keep it moving.

2707
02:31:08,320 --> 02:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Let me just throw this in here. Fourteen half the top.

2708
02:31:10,400 --> 02:31:13,959
Speaker 1: They are a brother Tony because doctor Newton told us

2709
02:31:13,959 --> 02:31:16,280
Speaker 1: about the facts that some of those who sold us out,

2710
02:31:16,320 --> 02:31:18,920
Speaker 1: their ancestors were the ones who sold us out. So

2711
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:22,560
Speaker 1: it's in their dna to do the same thing that

2712
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:24,600
Speaker 1: their ancestors did. And those of us who were on

2713
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:27,040
Speaker 1: the front line, this is what our ancestors did. That's

2714
02:31:27,080 --> 02:31:30,120
Speaker 1: why we're there. So she was saying, and this is

2715
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:32,280
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that she was working on. Uh,

2716
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:34,440
Speaker 1: you know because many of the folks at to the

2717
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:37,119
Speaker 1: Eastern Shore in Baltimore. She's looking at that. I hope somebody,

2718
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:38,720
Speaker 1: I keep saying this picks up the work that she

2719
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:41,840
Speaker 1: was doing, because we can't be too hard on them

2720
02:31:41,879 --> 02:31:44,320
Speaker 1: because it's it's that's how they're built. It's part of

2721
02:31:44,320 --> 02:31:47,400
Speaker 1: their mechanism as a sellout. Back in the days to

2722
02:31:47,400 --> 02:31:49,200
Speaker 1: call him Uncle Tom too. We found Uncle Tom was

2723
02:31:49,240 --> 02:31:52,320
Speaker 1: a good guy those So it's not necessarily that that

2724
02:31:52,480 --> 02:31:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, their doing it out themselves, but it's part

2725
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:56,840
Speaker 1: of their makeup your thoughts.

2726
02:31:57,320 --> 02:32:00,160
Speaker 15: Sure, so, Carl, so let me expand that. I mean,

2727
02:32:00,200 --> 02:32:04,720
Speaker 15: you absolutely spot on. It's a sambo, not Uncle Tom.

2728
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:09,080
Speaker 15: But as I was talking about the spirit that possesses

2729
02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:15,280
Speaker 15: of people, so and I mentioned previously about understanding that

2730
02:32:15,560 --> 02:32:18,520
Speaker 15: physical life is temporary, but spirit and the.

2731
02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:19,640
Speaker 7: Soul is eternal.

2732
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:20,320
Speaker 2: It moves on.

2733
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:25,800
Speaker 15: So that same soul, that's so same spirit to cause

2734
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:28,960
Speaker 15: someone to be a sellout. When that person dies, that

2735
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:32,080
Speaker 15: spirit still hovers out there in the atmosphere and it

2736
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:38,640
Speaker 15: returns and embody, it returns and inspires in spirits another

2737
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:41,520
Speaker 15: person who will also be a sellout. So I understand

2738
02:32:41,560 --> 02:32:43,960
Speaker 15: how this thing works. White folks will never teach you

2739
02:32:44,200 --> 02:32:47,400
Speaker 15: how things function on the spiritual dimension. And you know,

2740
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:49,640
Speaker 15: I give thanks to down the quibent A Brown for

2741
02:32:49,800 --> 02:32:53,800
Speaker 15: making me aware of this, of this mode of operation

2742
02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:57,200
Speaker 15: fifty some odd years ago. They don't talk about this,

2743
02:32:57,360 --> 02:32:58,320
Speaker 15: but they know it's true.

2744
02:32:58,840 --> 02:32:59,879
Speaker 4: That's what they meant.

2745
02:33:00,600 --> 02:33:03,800
Speaker 15: During the American Revolution when they made reference to the

2746
02:33:03,959 --> 02:33:08,800
Speaker 15: Spirit of seventy six. The spirit of seventy six, this energy,

2747
02:33:08,879 --> 02:33:13,280
Speaker 15: this presciousness, this force that they know is real, right,

2748
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:17,480
Speaker 15: and it moves through human beings, It moves through people.

2749
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:20,560
Speaker 15: White folk in power know that, and so to that

2750
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:24,720
Speaker 15: extent you look at this current administration. They know that,

2751
02:33:24,920 --> 02:33:29,360
Speaker 15: and they have chosen specifically to allow themselves to be

2752
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:35,720
Speaker 15: the vessels of an evil, negative, destructive spirit. That's why

2753
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:40,640
Speaker 15: that explains everything that's happening right now, with the attack,

2754
02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:44,520
Speaker 15: the kidnapping of the President of Venezuela, the threats to

2755
02:33:45,080 --> 02:33:50,680
Speaker 15: take Greenland. You know, white folk, these white folk are

2756
02:33:50,760 --> 02:33:54,039
Speaker 15: doing now what they've always done. But the covers are off, right,

2757
02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:56,840
Speaker 15: the covers are off because they know this is their

2758
02:33:57,000 --> 02:33:57,680
Speaker 15: last stand.

2759
02:33:58,400 --> 02:34:00,520
Speaker 4: They are desperate now, and you have.

2760
02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:03,080
Speaker 15: To be very careful when you deal with desperate people

2761
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:06,360
Speaker 15: because they get to the point where where they don't care.

2762
02:34:06,879 --> 02:34:10,360
Speaker 15: Their position is if I can't have what I want,

2763
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:14,920
Speaker 15: nobody will have anything. So we may be and I've

2764
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:17,040
Speaker 15: heard you mentioned this call a couple of times in

2765
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:19,400
Speaker 15: talking to you some of your guests. We may be

2766
02:34:19,480 --> 02:34:23,080
Speaker 15: on the verge of World War three. That's possible, that's

2767
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:27,480
Speaker 15: quite possible. But we survived world War One, we survived

2768
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:30,080
Speaker 15: world War two. There were some people, there would be

2769
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:32,800
Speaker 15: some people who will survive world War three. And so

2770
02:34:32,920 --> 02:34:38,480
Speaker 15: the question is those people who survived did something special

2771
02:34:39,080 --> 02:34:40,000
Speaker 15: that allowed.

2772
02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:42,240
Speaker 4: Them to survive. What spirit was riding there?

2773
02:34:42,520 --> 02:34:42,720
Speaker 6: Huh?

2774
02:34:43,360 --> 02:34:45,440
Speaker 4: That's the hard thing you need to become aware of

2775
02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:47,920
Speaker 4: so that you can ride away with that spirit.

2776
02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:50,320
Speaker 1: Right hold up the right there. Family, If you didn't

2777
02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:52,720
Speaker 1: learn anything today, I hope you take that to mind

2778
02:34:52,760 --> 02:34:54,560
Speaker 1: and share this with that portion of the discussion with

2779
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:57,160
Speaker 1: your family and friends. Seventeen half the top day. I've

2780
02:34:57,160 --> 02:34:58,840
Speaker 1: got to step away for a few moments. We come back.

2781
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Speaker 1: Keith in Washington, DC. He has a question for brother Tony.

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02:35:01,560 --> 02:35:03,039
Speaker 1: You can do the same you can reach us at

2783
02:35:03,080 --> 02:35:06,600
Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

2784
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:09,360
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next And Grand Rising family,

2785
02:35:09,400 --> 02:35:11,560
Speaker 1: thanks for sticking with us on this Thursday morning with

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02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:14,160
Speaker 1: our guess the chematosis Tony Brown. And Tony's got a

2787
02:35:14,200 --> 02:35:15,560
Speaker 1: new book. We've got to talk about the book and

2788
02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:18,080
Speaker 1: also the book launching as well. But there's so many

2789
02:35:18,120 --> 02:35:20,200
Speaker 1: folks are questions for brother Tony when he comes on

2790
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:22,840
Speaker 1: the radio. Keith is one of them. He's calling from Washington,

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02:35:22,920 --> 02:35:25,920
Speaker 1: DC's online one Grand Rising Keith along with Tony.

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02:35:25,720 --> 02:35:29,560
Speaker 4: Browner garon Rising and thank you mister Brown for being

2793
02:35:29,640 --> 02:35:32,520
Speaker 4: on here today and giving us all this value your information.

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02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,920
Speaker 4: You know what struck me to my heart about something

2795
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:42,800
Speaker 4: you commented on about how people should not revolt in

2796
02:35:42,959 --> 02:35:48,920
Speaker 4: such a way to give the authorities that be a

2797
02:35:49,080 --> 02:35:53,600
Speaker 4: reason to react and do completely everything that they want

2798
02:35:53,640 --> 02:35:56,480
Speaker 4: to do. They're on the verge of doing everything they

2799
02:35:56,600 --> 02:35:59,760
Speaker 4: want to do. So my question is geared toward this.

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02:36:00,320 --> 02:36:03,440
Speaker 4: If in fact, we do nothing and they do everything

2801
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:06,720
Speaker 4: they want to do, and we react and they do

2802
02:36:06,879 --> 02:36:09,960
Speaker 4: everything they want to do, then what the heck are

2803
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,720
Speaker 4: we supposed to do? Just allow them to do that

2804
02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:15,440
Speaker 4: and be happy with it, and all that we can

2805
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:20,200
Speaker 4: peacefully protest and get people in office and allow them

2806
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:23,440
Speaker 4: to protect us years down the line for this to

2807
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:26,320
Speaker 4: actually happen again. Where are we going with all this?

2808
02:36:26,520 --> 02:36:29,720
Speaker 4: Because this is the same stuff all over again, and

2809
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 4: I did around more than five decades. So thank you

2810
02:36:35,640 --> 02:36:36,840
Speaker 4: for your question, Keith.

2811
02:36:36,920 --> 02:36:40,000
Speaker 15: And since you live in DMV, we're in the belly

2812
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:44,960
Speaker 15: of the beast right and we're feeling it harder the

2813
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:47,800
Speaker 15: many people in other parts of the country. From when

2814
02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:50,760
Speaker 15: I understand, over two hundred and fifty thousand federal employees

2815
02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:56,120
Speaker 15: have lost their jobs. Over thirty thousand African American federal

2816
02:36:56,200 --> 02:37:00,080
Speaker 15: employees have lost their jobs, many of them sisters. And

2817
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:03,120
Speaker 15: in Prens Georgie's County, which held the distinction of being

2818
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:07,520
Speaker 15: the largest majority minority county in the United States, their

2819
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:12,119
Speaker 15: foreclosure rate within the last eleven months has been twenty percent.

2820
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:16,920
Speaker 4: So we're hurting. And as I mentioned on this show.

2821
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:22,400
Speaker 15: On numerous times, sometimes it takes a catasrophy. Sometimes it

2822
02:37:22,520 --> 02:37:25,320
Speaker 15: takes a disaster for people to get up off their

2823
02:37:25,400 --> 02:37:28,200
Speaker 15: butts and start doing the things that they've always had

2824
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:31,600
Speaker 15: the capacity to do. So people are now beginning to

2825
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:34,480
Speaker 15: realize that you can't depend on the federal government for

2826
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,119
Speaker 15: your well being, that all we have are each other.

2827
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:42,039
Speaker 15: People are beginning to read now and have discussions about

2828
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:46,440
Speaker 15: what they've reant, the beginning to think about incorporating more

2829
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:51,200
Speaker 15: asking spiritual traditions in their daily activities, and so that

2830
02:37:51,640 --> 02:37:54,880
Speaker 15: is making a difference, is going to make a difference.

2831
02:37:54,959 --> 02:37:57,800
Speaker 15: But the bottom line is this man, you're going to

2832
02:37:57,879 --> 02:38:00,720
Speaker 15: have to do something like you can't to sit on

2833
02:38:00,840 --> 02:38:04,840
Speaker 15: the sidelines, and what you do during this timeframe will

2834
02:38:04,920 --> 02:38:08,680
Speaker 15: determine the quality of life when you when you return again.

2835
02:38:08,760 --> 02:38:11,680
Speaker 15: I want to I want to quote doctor King. If

2836
02:38:11,720 --> 02:38:14,960
Speaker 15: a person has not found something that they're willing to

2837
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:18,200
Speaker 15: give their life for, then they have not found a

2838
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:21,760
Speaker 15: reason to live. So find the here, find a mountain

2839
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:23,200
Speaker 15: you're willing to die on.

2840
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:26,960
Speaker 4: So that means you can't you know, you can't be

2841
02:38:27,080 --> 02:38:27,920
Speaker 4: joking with this stuff.

2842
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:28,640
Speaker 7: It's real.

2843
02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:29,840
Speaker 4: It's real.

2844
02:38:29,959 --> 02:38:31,720
Speaker 15: And one of the things one of the lessons that

2845
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:33,480
Speaker 15: I learned from Non the Quip on the ground fifty

2846
02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:37,760
Speaker 15: one years ago that has guided everything that I've done

2847
02:38:38,600 --> 02:38:42,720
Speaker 15: since then, is that the decisions that you make in

2848
02:38:42,959 --> 02:38:49,320
Speaker 15: this lifetime will determine your capacity to make decisions in

2849
02:38:49,560 --> 02:38:52,800
Speaker 15: all of your future incarnations, in all your future lifetimes.

2850
02:38:53,080 --> 02:38:55,640
Speaker 15: So again, get this. You don't just go around once

2851
02:38:55,720 --> 02:39:00,200
Speaker 15: in life. Forget this, this Judeo Christian concept that you

2852
02:39:00,320 --> 02:39:02,160
Speaker 15: only live once. So you die, you go to heaven

2853
02:39:02,200 --> 02:39:05,080
Speaker 15: and Hell, and that's it. That's not true. I say,

2854
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:09,320
Speaker 15: had many conversations with many pastors and they acknowledge that

2855
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:11,920
Speaker 15: that's not true. They won't acknowledge it in public. So

2856
02:39:12,040 --> 02:39:15,080
Speaker 15: it's time for a shift in understanding. It's time for

2857
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:18,680
Speaker 15: a shift in consciousness. And when there is a shift

2858
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:22,960
Speaker 15: in consciousness and that shift reaches a critical mass, it

2859
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:27,640
Speaker 15: changes everything else. And we're approaching the point where that

2860
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:34,400
Speaker 15: shift can potentially take place, and when it does, it

2861
02:39:34,600 --> 02:39:37,959
Speaker 15: has the capacity to neutralize a lot of this madness

2862
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:40,600
Speaker 15: that we're currently dealing with right now. So it's going

2863
02:39:40,680 --> 02:39:46,040
Speaker 15: to take people becoming fearless. And his brother Big Gregory

2864
02:39:46,200 --> 02:39:50,039
Speaker 15: used to say when he came on with Mishughes thirty

2865
02:39:50,120 --> 02:39:54,160
Speaker 15: forty years ago, fearing God can't occupy the same space,

2866
02:39:54,280 --> 02:39:55,560
Speaker 15: fears the absence of God.

2867
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:57,160
Speaker 4: So all of these spoke who.

2868
02:39:57,240 --> 02:40:01,920
Speaker 15: Proclaim to be Christians and Muslims, now's the time for

2869
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:05,920
Speaker 15: you to be fearless, and if you believe in your

2870
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:08,920
Speaker 15: God concept, then you put your life on the line

2871
02:40:09,320 --> 02:40:12,119
Speaker 15: and become the vessel through which the best expression of God,

2872
02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:16,080
Speaker 15: our lives Jehovah, can work through to make meaningful changes

2873
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:18,879
Speaker 15: for future generations. Because that's the only thing that matters.

2874
02:40:18,920 --> 02:40:21,840
Speaker 15: It ain't about this life. It's about the life that

2875
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:24,200
Speaker 15: we're going to bring into existence based on the work

2876
02:40:24,240 --> 02:40:26,960
Speaker 15: that we do right now. And when people get that

2877
02:40:27,480 --> 02:40:31,120
Speaker 15: and start functioning on that level, it's just the dynamic.

2878
02:40:31,560 --> 02:40:35,280
Speaker 15: And that's what I feel very strongly. These circumstances are

2879
02:40:35,360 --> 02:40:37,720
Speaker 15: moving us towards and if enough people step up and

2880
02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:40,440
Speaker 15: do the work, we will have an opportunity to have

2881
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:41,560
Speaker 15: a meaningful future.

2882
02:40:42,400 --> 02:40:45,360
Speaker 1: Time with card twenty six, I have a tough I

2883
02:40:45,400 --> 02:40:47,160
Speaker 1: haven't saying that. I got a tweak question for you

2884
02:40:47,240 --> 02:40:50,000
Speaker 1: before taking the call, Treta says Grand Rising Tony, what

2885
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:52,800
Speaker 1: can you say to those of our own African American

2886
02:40:52,840 --> 02:40:56,280
Speaker 1: community who have been taught by their religion quote not

2887
02:40:56,440 --> 02:40:59,360
Speaker 1: to honor their ancestors, even though they stand on the

2888
02:40:59,440 --> 02:41:03,800
Speaker 1: shoulders of ancestors very own accomplishments. Daily tweet goes on

2889
02:41:03,879 --> 02:41:06,160
Speaker 1: to say, Tony, wearing your crown as an anointed and

2890
02:41:06,280 --> 02:41:09,280
Speaker 1: gifted African American grill. What can you say that you

2891
02:41:09,440 --> 02:41:12,680
Speaker 1: feel best speaks to our people's need of that personal

2892
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:15,959
Speaker 1: quote reparations to honor our own ancestors.

2893
02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:20,640
Speaker 15: The bottom line, reality is never argue with someone that

2894
02:41:20,720 --> 02:41:25,040
Speaker 15: Harriet Tubman would have left behind. Not everybody was willing

2895
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:28,959
Speaker 15: to do the work to escape, and she left them

2896
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:30,840
Speaker 15: where they were. Not everybody's going to make it.

2897
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:31,320
Speaker 7: So.

2898
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:35,480
Speaker 15: If these folk are caught up in their religion and

2899
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:41,279
Speaker 15: that religion keeps them in a spiritual prison, that's their choice.

2900
02:41:41,640 --> 02:41:43,720
Speaker 15: And I don't have the right to move anybody in

2901
02:41:43,800 --> 02:41:47,560
Speaker 15: any direction that they're not prepared to go. I'm willing

2902
02:41:47,680 --> 02:41:50,240
Speaker 15: to invest the rest of my time in working with

2903
02:41:50,320 --> 02:41:53,320
Speaker 15: those people who know that there's something better out there

2904
02:41:53,720 --> 02:41:56,440
Speaker 15: and are willing to do the work to incorporate this

2905
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:59,760
Speaker 15: knowledge in their lives and to demonstrate it by the

2906
02:42:00,040 --> 02:42:02,800
Speaker 15: things that they speak, say and do. And that's the

2907
02:42:02,920 --> 02:42:05,520
Speaker 15: only thing that matters, demonstrating, not talking.

2908
02:42:05,800 --> 02:42:07,600
Speaker 4: It's what you do to count.

2909
02:42:08,080 --> 02:42:12,520
Speaker 15: And these times are making more people began to wake

2910
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:17,120
Speaker 15: up and realize what reality is, and they have to

2911
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:21,240
Speaker 15: make a conscious choice to function on that level of reality,

2912
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:24,840
Speaker 15: and that will determine how this whole thing plays out.

2913
02:42:26,360 --> 02:42:29,240
Speaker 1: Got you twenty nine after the top there, Everlasting's joining

2914
02:42:29,320 --> 02:42:32,520
Speaker 1: us from Alabama. He's online too, Grand Rising. Everlasting, your

2915
02:42:32,640 --> 02:42:34,160
Speaker 1: question for Tony Browner.

2916
02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:37,360
Speaker 4: Marion Rose and how you're doing, Carling uls to Tony Broder,

2917
02:42:37,879 --> 02:42:42,120
Speaker 4: I just wanted to fill in top with you.

2918
02:42:42,280 --> 02:42:46,160
Speaker 19: Just was saying about how black people from different economic levels,

2919
02:42:47,080 --> 02:42:50,879
Speaker 19: different professional levels, and educational levels come together. I didn't

2920
02:42:50,879 --> 02:42:53,160
Speaker 19: realize until I did a little research back with the

2921
02:42:53,240 --> 02:42:56,720
Speaker 19: Harller Renaissance, right, the people who were supposed to be

2922
02:42:56,800 --> 02:43:00,640
Speaker 19: the underworld, there was the one that collaborate, collabor roberated

2923
02:43:01,280 --> 02:43:04,320
Speaker 19: with the Black Renaissance for the people who were the

2924
02:43:04,400 --> 02:43:07,280
Speaker 19: poets and the actors and whatever, and they came together

2925
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:09,920
Speaker 19: and they created and they were a big part of

2926
02:43:10,440 --> 02:43:13,560
Speaker 19: the Harlem Renaissance. Because Casper Hosting, who was a big

2927
02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:17,400
Speaker 19: number runner, he saw Langston Hughes. I forgot how he

2928
02:43:17,520 --> 02:43:20,040
Speaker 19: came in contact with him. Blanksy he was a dishwasher

2929
02:43:20,440 --> 02:43:22,840
Speaker 19: and he gave lanks and News a thousand dollars and

2930
02:43:22,920 --> 02:43:25,080
Speaker 19: he didn't have to dishwash no more. So maybe if

2931
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:28,360
Speaker 19: it wasn't for Casper Hosting, we would have never heard

2932
02:43:28,400 --> 02:43:30,959
Speaker 19: of Langston Hughes and none of a lot of them.

2933
02:43:31,080 --> 02:43:34,240
Speaker 19: They didn't stereotype each other. They they worked together. Even

2934
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:40,360
Speaker 19: Father Divine, I spelled Daddy Vine and father Divine. Even

2935
02:43:40,400 --> 02:43:43,840
Speaker 19: he donated money to Marcus Barby and then to the Renaissance.

2936
02:43:44,040 --> 02:43:48,520
Speaker 19: And one more thing, imagine C. J. Walker's daughter. She

2937
02:43:48,680 --> 02:43:50,080
Speaker 19: lived in the Harlem. She used to throw a lot

2938
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:53,120
Speaker 19: of parties. And at her parties when everybody was there.

2939
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:57,200
Speaker 19: You had hustlers, you had other gangsters, you had writers,

2940
02:43:57,320 --> 02:44:01,680
Speaker 19: you had actors, you had everybody. These people work together

2941
02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:03,680
Speaker 19: and that's why one part of.

2942
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:06,199
Speaker 4: The Holland renaissurance was so unsuccessful.

2943
02:44:06,280 --> 02:44:07,640
Speaker 7: I think that's a lot of things that we need

2944
02:44:07,720 --> 02:44:10,879
Speaker 7: to do today. What was processco? Can I hold on here?

2945
02:44:11,360 --> 02:44:12,160
Speaker 4: Your comment? Peace?

2946
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:18,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, brother, I appreciate the insights that you're sharing. So

2947
02:44:18,560 --> 02:44:23,120
Speaker 15: you're in Alabama, and let us not forget doctor John

2948
02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:26,840
Speaker 15: Henry Clark, who was ten years old living in either

2949
02:44:26,879 --> 02:44:27,560
Speaker 15: Alabama or.

2950
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:34,320
Speaker 4: Georgia when he read an article Union Springs, Alabama. He

2951
02:44:34,400 --> 02:44:34,680
Speaker 4: was from.

2952
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:38,120
Speaker 15: He was born in Union Springs, Alabama, and then his

2953
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:41,680
Speaker 15: family moved to Georgia. Right, but he was ten years

2954
02:44:41,720 --> 02:44:46,920
Speaker 15: old when he read an article by Arthur Schomberg called

2955
02:44:46,959 --> 02:44:50,560
Speaker 15: the Negro Diggs up his past, and that article was

2956
02:44:50,680 --> 02:44:53,600
Speaker 15: written one hundred years ago last March, and it was

2957
02:44:53,640 --> 02:44:56,920
Speaker 15: that article then inspired a young John Henry Clark to

2958
02:44:57,000 --> 02:44:59,880
Speaker 15: travel to New York to go to Harlem, where he

2959
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:04,720
Speaker 15: he ultimately re educated itself. That was self reparations and

2960
02:45:04,840 --> 02:45:08,320
Speaker 15: helped to transform the world. So Arthur Schomberg worked in

2961
02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:13,119
Speaker 15: concert with Blankly Run, the name of the brother who

2962
02:45:13,160 --> 02:45:15,360
Speaker 15: wrote the book called the New Negro, and it was

2963
02:45:15,400 --> 02:45:18,520
Speaker 15: that book that jump started the Harlem Renaissance. So you're

2964
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:22,040
Speaker 15: absolutely right in terms of these artists who were for

2965
02:45:22,120 --> 02:45:26,000
Speaker 15: the most part, poor struggling artists who were connected by

2966
02:45:26,320 --> 02:45:30,080
Speaker 15: some wealthy black folks. Some developed their wealth through industry,

2967
02:45:30,440 --> 02:45:31,879
Speaker 15: others developed their wealth.

2968
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:33,039
Speaker 4: Through the criminal in the world.

2969
02:45:33,160 --> 02:45:35,640
Speaker 15: But they understood that all black people were in the

2970
02:45:35,720 --> 02:45:39,119
Speaker 15: buying together, and so they pulled their resources and invested

2971
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:43,280
Speaker 15: their money in these young right souls that they knew

2972
02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:46,879
Speaker 15: could improve the race. It was all about improving the race,

2973
02:45:47,080 --> 02:45:52,640
Speaker 15: uplifting the race. And so that speaks to a chapter

2974
02:45:52,760 --> 02:45:57,840
Speaker 15: in my new book called Stints and Centers right. It's

2975
02:45:57,879 --> 02:46:01,120
Speaker 15: a take off of Ryan Coogler's film Centers, where what

2976
02:46:01,280 --> 02:46:05,040
Speaker 15: we see is there are some people in our community

2977
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:08,200
Speaker 15: who were branded as sinners who were really the saints.

2978
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:11,760
Speaker 15: They were doing a good work right, They were funding

2979
02:46:11,959 --> 02:46:15,640
Speaker 15: those people or inspiring those people who would help transform

2980
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:18,280
Speaker 15: the world. So we've got to be clear about who

2981
02:46:18,440 --> 02:46:22,800
Speaker 15: we are. We have to be grounded in an African center,

2982
02:46:23,440 --> 02:46:26,800
Speaker 15: pan African perspectives, and we have to learn to love

2983
02:46:26,920 --> 02:46:31,080
Speaker 15: ourselves as African people and stop copying our oppressor. When

2984
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:33,119
Speaker 15: you copy your oppressor, you're going to wind up oppressing

2985
02:46:33,160 --> 02:46:36,360
Speaker 15: your own people. Why because you oppressed yourself, you don't

2986
02:46:36,400 --> 02:46:41,400
Speaker 15: love yourself. So these times are affording us and those

2987
02:46:41,480 --> 02:46:44,640
Speaker 15: who are ready to be engaged in the process, an

2988
02:46:44,720 --> 02:46:48,360
Speaker 15: opportunity to be our best selves. So in these worst

2989
02:46:48,440 --> 02:46:51,920
Speaker 15: of times, there's also the potential for the best of times.

2990
02:46:52,280 --> 02:46:55,800
Speaker 15: And these times will be what we make them. The

2991
02:46:55,959 --> 02:46:58,360
Speaker 15: power is in our hands. It ain't in the hands

2992
02:46:58,680 --> 02:47:01,160
Speaker 15: of some white man's die. It ain't in the hands

2993
02:47:01,240 --> 02:47:04,320
Speaker 15: of Jesus. And I don't mean to step on people's toes,

2994
02:47:04,360 --> 02:47:05,480
Speaker 15: but I'm just speaking the truth.

2995
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:09,200
Speaker 4: The power is in our hands. And when we know that,

2996
02:47:09,879 --> 02:47:11,320
Speaker 4: when we understand.

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02:47:10,920 --> 02:47:14,760
Speaker 15: That and work in partnership with other people, other sisters

2998
02:47:14,800 --> 02:47:17,840
Speaker 15: and brothers, that also know and understand that you would

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02:47:17,959 --> 02:47:22,320
Speaker 15: change the world. That is why these people are banning books.

3000
02:47:22,840 --> 02:47:27,680
Speaker 15: That is why they are destroying and undermining those individuals,

3001
02:47:27,760 --> 02:47:32,400
Speaker 15: those organizations that can spread this information. They're fighting for

3002
02:47:32,480 --> 02:47:36,160
Speaker 15: their lives because they know the end is nigh. And

3003
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:38,440
Speaker 15: so what that means is, we've got to fight for

3004
02:47:38,600 --> 02:47:41,360
Speaker 15: our lives, and more importantly, we've got to fight for

3005
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:44,640
Speaker 15: the lives that we're going to bring into existence two

3006
02:47:44,800 --> 02:47:45,959
Speaker 15: three lifetimes from now.

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Speaker 4: That's what this whole thing is all about. Brother, Thank

3008
02:47:48,320 --> 02:47:51,320
Speaker 4: you for calling. Thank you very much. Got your brother

3009
02:47:52,200 --> 02:47:52,600
Speaker 4: all right.

3010
02:47:52,640 --> 02:47:55,199
Speaker 1: You want some real talk right there? Family, Brother Tony

3011
02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:58,520
Speaker 1: just shared with everlasting calls from Alabama. But Tony, I

3012
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:01,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about the book because you know so

3013
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:03,200
Speaker 1: far I'm gotten into the book, and you break down

3014
02:48:03,240 --> 02:48:05,840
Speaker 1: the book into like four sections. Can you explain to

3015
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:08,320
Speaker 1: them to the audience what they are and why you

3016
02:48:08,400 --> 02:48:09,280
Speaker 1: did it this way.

3017
02:48:10,560 --> 02:48:10,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

3018
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:15,440
Speaker 15: The whole idea was to compartmentalized information, to break it

3019
02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:19,600
Speaker 15: down into easy, bite sized pieces so that people can

3020
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:21,920
Speaker 15: move at their own pace, So that readers can move

3021
02:48:21,959 --> 02:48:25,520
Speaker 15: at their own pace to begin to understand the simple

3022
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:30,039
Speaker 15: concepts and ideas. The four areas of knowledge and Carl

3023
02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:33,640
Speaker 15: First and foremost, I want to acknowledge you and thank

3024
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:37,880
Speaker 15: you for writing the forward to this book. I asked

3025
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:42,640
Speaker 15: you to do that because of my forty year relationship

3026
02:48:42,959 --> 02:48:46,640
Speaker 15: with w L and you allowing me to have access

3027
02:48:46,680 --> 02:48:48,879
Speaker 15: to the airways to talk about things that are near

3028
02:48:48,959 --> 02:48:50,720
Speaker 15: and dear to my heart. So I want to thank

3029
02:48:50,800 --> 02:48:53,480
Speaker 15: you for writing the forward to this book, and for

3030
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:56,119
Speaker 15: no other reason buy the book to read calls forward.

3031
02:48:56,160 --> 02:49:01,040
Speaker 15: All right, But the four areas are knowledge why an

3032
02:49:01,240 --> 02:49:06,760
Speaker 15: African worldview matters. We're seeing African people being disrespected all

3033
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:11,240
Speaker 15: over this country and all over the world, and so

3034
02:49:11,440 --> 02:49:14,440
Speaker 15: until we learn to love ourselves and understand why an

3035
02:49:14,480 --> 02:49:17,440
Speaker 15: African worldview matters, we won't be able to make clear

3036
02:49:17,560 --> 02:49:22,400
Speaker 15: sense of what's happening. The second area of exploration is

3037
02:49:22,520 --> 02:49:28,000
Speaker 15: why kimm It matters. Kimmit is not Egypt, the two

3038
02:49:28,120 --> 02:49:32,760
Speaker 15: profoundly different states of being, two profoundly different worlds, and

3039
02:49:32,879 --> 02:49:35,240
Speaker 15: so we need to understand why kimm It is so

3040
02:49:35,440 --> 02:49:40,840
Speaker 15: important and understand Kimmate's connection to now value civilization. Kimmit

3041
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:46,880
Speaker 15: is the grandchild of Ethiopia of Uganda, and so to

3042
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:49,840
Speaker 15: have the correct historical context is essential.

3043
02:49:50,680 --> 02:49:51,359
Speaker 7: The third.

3044
02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:55,400
Speaker 4: Segment in this book is doctor John.

3045
02:49:55,200 --> 02:49:59,880
Speaker 15: Henry Clark, the Master Teacher as the brother Everan Astin said,

3046
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:03,400
Speaker 15: John Henry Clark was born in Union Springs, Alabama, on

3047
02:50:03,560 --> 02:50:06,920
Speaker 15: January the first, nineteen fifteen, the same year my grandmama

3048
02:50:07,080 --> 02:50:09,800
Speaker 15: was born. She was born in Vernon, Alabama. Right, So

3049
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:12,560
Speaker 15: both of these souls are like bookends in my life.

3050
02:50:13,240 --> 02:50:15,840
Speaker 15: And so I lay out who Clark was, how he

3051
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:20,360
Speaker 15: was inspired by Arthur Schomberg, how Clark came to New

3052
02:50:20,480 --> 02:50:24,199
Speaker 15: York City met Schomberg, and Schomberg challenged this young eighteen

3053
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:26,879
Speaker 15: year old man who wanted to know everything about African people,

3054
02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:30,440
Speaker 15: African history, and African culture. And Schomberg told him, young man,

3055
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:34,960
Speaker 15: study your enemy, study how your enemy is interacted with

3056
02:50:35,080 --> 02:50:38,119
Speaker 15: your people, going back hundreds and thousands of years.

3057
02:50:38,560 --> 02:50:39,480
Speaker 7: Study yourself.

3058
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:43,240
Speaker 15: Then after you study, then come back to me and

3059
02:50:43,360 --> 02:50:45,360
Speaker 15: I can teach you. But I can't teach you if

3060
02:50:45,400 --> 02:50:48,240
Speaker 15: your investor is not prepared to receive the information that

3061
02:50:48,360 --> 02:50:51,320
Speaker 15: I went to in park with you. So Clark studied

3062
02:50:51,320 --> 02:50:54,080
Speaker 15: from Schomberg, and then he hooked up with John Jackson,

3063
02:50:54,480 --> 02:50:56,760
Speaker 15: and then the two of them hooked up with Hubert Harrison,

3064
02:50:56,959 --> 02:50:59,160
Speaker 15: and then they became a part of the Harland History Club.

3065
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:02,760
Speaker 15: And then they trained a young doctor, Joseph beIN Juking,

3066
02:51:03,080 --> 02:51:06,600
Speaker 15: and they transformed the world. Clark was an advisor to

3067
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:11,080
Speaker 15: Kwame and Krumer. Clark was an advisor to Malcolm X.

3068
02:51:11,360 --> 02:51:14,320
Speaker 15: And these two African men helped to transform the world.

3069
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:15,760
Speaker 4: So the spirit to.

3070
02:51:15,879 --> 02:51:19,760
Speaker 15: Move throughout the Schomberg moved to John Henry Clark moved

3071
02:51:19,840 --> 02:51:23,200
Speaker 15: through Quamin and Krumer moved through Malcolm X and is

3072
02:51:23,240 --> 02:51:25,960
Speaker 15: still moving through the world right now and is waiting

3073
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:28,560
Speaker 15: for you to acknowledge it so that that spirit could

3074
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:31,800
Speaker 15: move through you. And then the fourth segment of this

3075
02:51:31,920 --> 02:51:35,760
Speaker 15: book is on Thames and hold thought.

3076
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:37,320
Speaker 1: Right there and I'll let you expound on that. When

3077
02:51:37,320 --> 02:51:38,760
Speaker 1: we get back out there. You have the music coming.

3078
02:51:38,760 --> 02:51:40,360
Speaker 1: So we got a step aside for a few moments.

3079
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:42,200
Speaker 1: At twenty three minutes away from the top they are

3080
02:51:42,600 --> 02:51:45,440
Speaker 1: and he mentioned author Schomberg, a Black Puerto Rican And

3081
02:51:45,560 --> 02:51:47,600
Speaker 1: there's a library and they call it more than a

3082
02:51:47,680 --> 02:51:50,080
Speaker 1: library that's in Harlem. You get lost in there. Before

3083
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:52,240
Speaker 1: the days of the internet, you could get newspapers from

3084
02:51:52,280 --> 02:51:55,960
Speaker 1: the black world. He could read newspapers and periodicals from

3085
02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:58,200
Speaker 1: the Black world. At that place you get lost, as

3086
02:51:58,240 --> 02:52:00,760
Speaker 1: I mentioned, as I've done several times there. Anyway, we

3087
02:52:00,840 --> 02:52:02,320
Speaker 1: got to step aside and when we come back, Tony,

3088
02:52:02,320 --> 02:52:04,400
Speaker 1: it'll tell us about the four parts of his book

3089
02:52:04,400 --> 02:52:06,360
Speaker 1: and we talk more about his bookcause he's going to

3090
02:52:06,400 --> 02:52:08,120
Speaker 1: have a book signing as well. And you too can

3091
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:10,240
Speaker 1: get in on this conversation. Reach out to us at

3092
02:52:10,280 --> 02:52:13,440
Speaker 1: eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six

3093
02:52:13,480 --> 02:52:16,199
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

3094
02:52:16,280 --> 02:52:18,360
Speaker 1: thanks to rolling with us on this Thursday morning here

3095
02:52:18,440 --> 02:52:21,160
Speaker 1: with the chematologist brother Tony Browd or fuck go back

3096
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:22,800
Speaker 1: to Tony. Just got a news I'm out of the

3097
02:52:22,879 --> 02:52:25,080
Speaker 1: eighty one newsroom here. It says that Donald Trump is

3098
02:52:25,160 --> 02:52:27,880
Speaker 1: now threatening to use the Insurrection Act to end the

3099
02:52:27,959 --> 02:52:31,640
Speaker 1: protest in Minneapolis. And we talked about this before that

3100
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:36,000
Speaker 1: this is probably the precursor to a martial law and

3101
02:52:36,040 --> 02:52:37,920
Speaker 1: this is what they want to do. But anyway, this

3102
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:41,000
Speaker 1: morning is just threatening to use the insurrection to end

3103
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:43,480
Speaker 1: the protest in Minneapolis, and we'll see if that dies

3104
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:46,640
Speaker 1: down and if he really pulls that trigger. Before we

3105
02:52:46,760 --> 02:52:49,160
Speaker 1: move on there, just reminded tomorrow is Friday, giving another

3106
02:52:49,240 --> 02:52:51,920
Speaker 1: chance to free your mind on our open Phone Friday program.

3107
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:54,440
Speaker 1: You can start your King weekend by freeing your mind

3108
02:52:54,480 --> 02:52:56,480
Speaker 1: and calling us at six am Eastern time right here

3109
02:52:56,600 --> 02:52:59,360
Speaker 1: in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the

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02:52:59,440 --> 02:53:02,920
Speaker 1: DMV fourteen fifty WL. All right, brother Tony is about

3111
02:53:02,959 --> 02:53:04,880
Speaker 1: to break down this because you share with this before

3112
02:53:04,920 --> 02:53:07,240
Speaker 1: about Saints and Senator as you put in your new book.

3113
02:53:08,400 --> 02:53:10,600
Speaker 15: Sure well, let me just say this about this comment

3114
02:53:10,760 --> 02:53:17,600
Speaker 15: you just make about term president may introduce the Insurrection Act.

3115
02:53:18,080 --> 02:53:21,600
Speaker 15: If that happens, Carl, then it's quite possible that what

3116
02:53:21,720 --> 02:53:26,960
Speaker 15: we're doing right now will be deemed illegal. Right this

3117
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:33,240
Speaker 15: radio station may be deemed illegal. So we're at a

3118
02:53:33,480 --> 02:53:38,840
Speaker 15: very important time in American history and world history where

3119
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:41,560
Speaker 15: folks are going to have to realize what's going on

3120
02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:44,640
Speaker 15: and make a decision about which side they want to

3121
02:53:44,760 --> 02:53:47,800
Speaker 15: fight on and which here they're willing to die on.

3122
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:52,160
Speaker 15: And I'll just leave it at that. So this last

3123
02:53:52,280 --> 02:53:54,680
Speaker 15: chapter in the book is called Saints and Senatis or

3124
02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:58,000
Speaker 15: cultural media Escapes. You know, because my background is in

3125
02:53:58,240 --> 02:54:02,200
Speaker 15: graphic design and advertising marketing, I understand the media. I

3126
02:54:02,360 --> 02:54:06,959
Speaker 15: understand that I understand the power of radio. I understand

3127
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:10,040
Speaker 15: the power of social media. I understand the power of film,

3128
02:54:10,640 --> 02:54:14,039
Speaker 15: and I've got two articles, two essays in this book.

3129
02:54:14,840 --> 02:54:18,120
Speaker 15: They look at the career of Ryan Cougler. Ryan Cougler has,

3130
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:24,720
Speaker 15: with five films, become the most powerful, the wealthiest black

3131
02:54:24,800 --> 02:54:29,280
Speaker 15: writer and director in Hollywood history. This man has an

3132
02:54:29,320 --> 02:54:32,840
Speaker 15: incredible future ahead of him. And regardless as the whether

3133
02:54:32,920 --> 02:54:35,400
Speaker 15: or not he's acknowledged by the Academy of Motion Picture

3134
02:54:35,480 --> 02:54:38,039
Speaker 15: Arts and Sciences and the Golden Globes, regardless of.

3135
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:40,039
Speaker 4: Whether or not they give him his due and.

3136
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:43,880
Speaker 15: Acknowledge his genius, I still acknowledge his genius, and we

3137
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:46,920
Speaker 15: need to understand what he has done, what he has

3138
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:49,840
Speaker 15: produced in this film Centers. So I've got two essays

3139
02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:55,360
Speaker 15: in my current book that explore this powerful film centers.

3140
02:54:55,920 --> 02:55:02,879
Speaker 15: And it was suggested that I send one of these

3141
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:05,960
Speaker 15: essays to Ryan so he could take it out. That

3142
02:55:06,120 --> 02:55:07,640
Speaker 15: was done a couple of weeks ago, and where it

3143
02:55:07,720 --> 02:55:10,640
Speaker 15: got back to me that Ryan read this essay and

3144
02:55:10,760 --> 02:55:13,880
Speaker 15: he said that one it brought him to tears, and

3145
02:55:14,760 --> 02:55:17,879
Speaker 15: a couple of paragraphs in that essay really messed him up.

3146
02:55:18,440 --> 02:55:23,720
Speaker 15: So I'm pleased to know that this work is being

3147
02:55:23,879 --> 02:55:28,160
Speaker 15: read by people who I admire and I trust that

3148
02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:33,560
Speaker 15: your listening audience will understand the importance of us reading,

3149
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:37,800
Speaker 15: acquiring accurate information, and then learning how to incorporate that

3150
02:55:37,879 --> 02:55:41,800
Speaker 15: information into our lives so we transform our thinking, our speech,

3151
02:55:42,040 --> 02:55:44,520
Speaker 15: and our behavior, because that's what this whole thing is

3152
02:55:44,520 --> 02:55:48,600
Speaker 15: all about. So this coming Saturday, on the seventeenth, we're

3153
02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:54,360
Speaker 15: going to have a formal book launch of my book

3154
02:55:55,200 --> 02:55:59,520
Speaker 15: Broutifile Bison three, A Browder Perspective by fifty year Journey

3155
02:55:59,560 --> 02:56:02,600
Speaker 15: to Enlighten. This free event is going to be held

3156
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:05,720
Speaker 15: at the Third and Marshall Center. This is where we've

3157
02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:10,280
Speaker 15: had our offices for twenty years now, eighteen sixteen, Twelfth Street,

3158
02:56:10,400 --> 02:56:14,880
Speaker 15: Northwest twelfth Street between S and T. The program is

3159
02:56:15,120 --> 02:56:19,280
Speaker 15: from twelve noon until two pm. And for those who

3160
02:56:19,400 --> 02:56:22,800
Speaker 15: have participated in my activities, y'all know, we start on

3161
02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:25,560
Speaker 15: time and we end on time, So if you come

3162
02:56:25,879 --> 02:56:30,200
Speaker 15: at twelve fifteen, you're gonna miss fifteen minutes worth of

3163
02:56:30,400 --> 02:56:34,480
Speaker 15: important conversation. So I'm going to speak for about forty minutes,

3164
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:37,840
Speaker 15: will take questions for about ten to fifteen minutes, and

3165
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:41,440
Speaker 15: then we'll spend the remaining of the time signing books.

3166
02:56:41,720 --> 02:56:45,119
Speaker 15: So I encourage everyone listening to us to come out.

3167
02:56:46,320 --> 02:56:50,800
Speaker 15: The book is printed by Black Classic Press in Baltimore.

3168
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:54,360
Speaker 15: I spend my money with my people. I'm the publisher

3169
02:56:54,440 --> 02:56:57,920
Speaker 15: of my material, so I keep my money circulating within

3170
02:56:58,200 --> 02:57:01,440
Speaker 15: my community and investment money back in the business. The

3171
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:05,800
Speaker 15: book is being distributed by Brother nat in Baltimore, who's

3172
02:57:05,800 --> 02:57:08,640
Speaker 15: the largest distributor of black books on the East Coast,

3173
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:13,680
Speaker 15: and Brother Luther of Lushina in Chicago is the largest

3174
02:57:13,720 --> 02:57:17,440
Speaker 15: Black distributor nationwide. They've got the books, they're getting it

3175
02:57:17,520 --> 02:57:23,320
Speaker 15: out to bookstores, and we're trusting that people will appreciate

3176
02:57:24,320 --> 02:57:27,600
Speaker 15: this third installment and the Broader File trilogy, and that

3177
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:30,960
Speaker 15: they'll sit down, they'll read the book, they'll discuss the

3178
02:57:30,959 --> 02:57:33,879
Speaker 15: book with their family, their friends, and it will help

3179
02:57:34,040 --> 02:57:38,480
Speaker 15: to transform their consciousness so that people will have a

3180
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:40,800
Speaker 15: clearer idea as to what their.

3181
02:57:40,720 --> 02:57:45,120
Speaker 4: Options are because we always have options. We always have options.

3182
02:57:45,320 --> 02:57:46,360
Speaker 4: We just need to know that.

3183
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:50,560
Speaker 15: And these options are rooted in historical perspectives that we

3184
02:57:50,680 --> 02:57:53,640
Speaker 15: will never get in school. Even if you go to

3185
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:57,199
Speaker 15: an HBCU, there's certain information that you will not be taught.

3186
02:57:57,480 --> 02:58:00,240
Speaker 15: You won't get it in your fraternity or sorority, won't

3187
02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:02,720
Speaker 15: get it an your churches, but the information is here,

3188
02:58:03,360 --> 02:58:08,000
Speaker 15: so we have to avail ourselves of those resources that

3189
02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:13,119
Speaker 15: will help us do us better. And these times demand

3190
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:16,320
Speaker 15: that we put skin in the game and we commit

3191
02:58:16,400 --> 02:58:19,720
Speaker 15: ourselves to doing the work for as long as we live.

3192
02:58:19,800 --> 02:58:24,600
Speaker 15: I've been doing this work, Carl for forty four years.

3193
02:58:24,600 --> 02:58:27,240
Speaker 15: I've been lecturing for forty four years. I've got friends

3194
02:58:27,320 --> 02:58:30,800
Speaker 15: here in the DC area who retired, and I accept

3195
02:58:30,840 --> 02:58:33,920
Speaker 15: the fact that I will never retire. I'm really just

3196
02:58:34,040 --> 02:58:36,960
Speaker 15: hitting my stride, man, because after forty four years of

3197
02:58:37,080 --> 02:58:40,200
Speaker 15: doing this, I now have a better understanding of what

3198
02:58:40,400 --> 02:58:44,480
Speaker 15: I thought I knew. So I've got plans. This year

3199
02:58:45,000 --> 02:58:48,199
Speaker 15: twenty twenty six is my last year of doing study

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02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:51,920
Speaker 15: tours Egypt. I've been leading study tours Egypt for thirty

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02:58:52,040 --> 02:58:53,840
Speaker 15: nine years, and.

3202
02:58:54,080 --> 02:58:55,040
Speaker 4: I'm ready to pivot.

3203
02:58:55,280 --> 02:58:57,080
Speaker 15: I want to start going to some other parts of

3204
02:58:57,120 --> 02:58:59,800
Speaker 15: South Africa. I want to give Egypt a break because

3205
02:59:00,120 --> 02:59:02,800
Speaker 15: what's happening in Egypt right now with this current administration

3206
02:59:03,480 --> 02:59:06,200
Speaker 15: is not to my liking and I don't want to

3207
02:59:06,280 --> 02:59:09,360
Speaker 15: continue to spend my money in an environment where we

3208
02:59:09,480 --> 02:59:12,280
Speaker 15: are not appreciated. There are other parts of Baptists that

3209
02:59:12,480 --> 02:59:17,680
Speaker 15: are ready to receive us ready to empower us, ready

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02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:20,680
Speaker 15: to receive us as citizens. So I want to explore

3211
02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:23,640
Speaker 15: those places and take people with me. Take those people

3212
02:59:23,720 --> 02:59:26,920
Speaker 15: with me who are ready to go, and the future

3213
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:30,080
Speaker 15: is ours man. I have always lived my life with

3214
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:33,080
Speaker 15: that knowledge that the future is what we make it,

3215
02:59:33,480 --> 02:59:38,760
Speaker 15: and so I have dedicated my life to controlling my

3216
02:59:38,920 --> 02:59:42,160
Speaker 15: life and not allowing someone else to.

3217
02:59:43,840 --> 02:59:46,960
Speaker 4: Control my destiny. And if nothing else, I trust that

3218
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:48,359
Speaker 4: I've been a model.

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02:59:49,720 --> 02:59:54,320
Speaker 15: For my contemporaries, and more specifically for young people, to

3220
02:59:54,520 --> 03:00:02,280
Speaker 15: realize that we live in the world of a limitless bounty,

3221
03:00:02,959 --> 03:00:08,080
Speaker 15: and that what you focus your attention on, you can manifest.

3222
03:00:08,800 --> 03:00:10,480
Speaker 4: We have the.

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03:00:10,600 --> 03:00:15,000
Speaker 15: Opportunity to continue the great and mighty walk of our ancestors,

3224
03:00:15,640 --> 03:00:18,959
Speaker 15: and that they are available to us if we're willing

3225
03:00:19,080 --> 03:00:22,600
Speaker 15: to acknowledge them. Set up an altar in our home.

3226
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:26,400
Speaker 15: Do what Theodosi sisters are done for for decades. Set

3227
03:00:26,480 --> 03:00:30,560
Speaker 15: up an altar in your home. Uh acknowledge your ancestors

3228
03:00:31,560 --> 03:00:34,880
Speaker 15: in your family and and and and ask them for

3229
03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:38,160
Speaker 15: strength and guidance and love and protection. These things a

3230
03:00:38,360 --> 03:00:41,480
Speaker 15: real call. I know that I've lived my life with

3231
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:46,440
Speaker 15: this knowledge, and more people now than ever before are

3232
03:00:46,520 --> 03:00:51,000
Speaker 15: beginning to open their eyes and see that the people

3233
03:00:51,080 --> 03:00:55,000
Speaker 15: who are beginning to read now and ask questions. So

3234
03:00:55,280 --> 03:00:59,840
Speaker 15: my latest book is an opportunity to provide some guidance

3235
03:00:59,879 --> 03:01:03,360
Speaker 15: and instruction to those who are looking for it. I

3236
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:07,560
Speaker 15: typically write in an easy to understand and easy to

3237
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:11,400
Speaker 15: digest manner, and that's been my style and it's worked

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03:01:11,440 --> 03:01:16,119
Speaker 15: for me for eight publications. So I encourage your audience.

3239
03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:18,480
Speaker 15: I invite your audience to come out this Saturday to

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03:01:18,600 --> 03:01:22,200
Speaker 15: the third of Marshall Center, eighteen sixteen twelve Street in

3241
03:01:22,240 --> 03:01:25,760
Speaker 15: Northwest from million to two. Pick up a copy of

3242
03:01:26,840 --> 03:01:30,680
Speaker 15: Brouder Foul three. Interact with other sisters and brothers who

3243
03:01:30,800 --> 03:01:34,360
Speaker 15: are about the business of saving your own lives.

3244
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Speaker 1: Let me jump in here, real qui because you're racing

3245
03:01:36,200 --> 03:01:38,440
Speaker 1: the clock of folks want to talk to you. And

3246
03:01:38,480 --> 03:01:40,520
Speaker 1: I got a person I note for me from Ghana

3247
03:01:40,640 --> 03:01:43,280
Speaker 1: listens to us in Ghana, says a happy new Day,

3248
03:01:43,400 --> 03:01:45,680
Speaker 1: my brother tell brother Browner to come to Ghana. And

3249
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:50,400
Speaker 1: sister Sarita listening to us in near a crap. So

3250
03:01:50,520 --> 03:01:52,880
Speaker 1: she says telling you she wants you to come to Ghana.

3251
03:01:53,080 --> 03:01:54,600
Speaker 1: So put that on your list.

3252
03:01:56,280 --> 03:01:57,040
Speaker 4: I look forward to it.

3253
03:01:57,280 --> 03:01:59,440
Speaker 15: It's been about three years since I've been to Ghana,

3254
03:01:59,760 --> 03:02:02,600
Speaker 15: and out of fact, since Jennie Page is over in

3255
03:02:02,680 --> 03:02:08,680
Speaker 15: Ghana now with five hundred akass aka systems. They sold

3256
03:02:08,760 --> 03:02:12,199
Speaker 15: out this tour to Ghana in less than twenty four hours.

3257
03:02:12,360 --> 03:02:15,480
Speaker 15: So our people are traveling right. Our people are looking

3258
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:17,119
Speaker 15: for options, looking.

3259
03:02:16,920 --> 03:02:20,480
Speaker 4: For places they can move to, and at this point

3260
03:02:20,480 --> 03:02:21,640
Speaker 4: in time, you better.

3261
03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:24,680
Speaker 15: Realize that you have some options and to be fully

3262
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:28,920
Speaker 15: engaged in the art of exercising all of the options

3263
03:02:29,080 --> 03:02:30,000
Speaker 15: while you still care.

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Speaker 4: Let's take from calling Carl.

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03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:34,039
Speaker 1: I'm ready, all right, let's go real quick. Rg's calling

3266
03:02:34,080 --> 03:02:36,960
Speaker 1: from Brentwood and Maryland Online. One Grand Rising RG. A

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Speaker 1: question for Tony Browner.

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Speaker 20: Good morning, mister Browder. I appreciate your discussion. You know,

3269
03:02:42,200 --> 03:02:44,920
Speaker 20: it's been said that history doesn't repeat itself, but it's

3270
03:02:44,959 --> 03:02:48,039
Speaker 20: definitely rhymes. And you made a remark about the book

3271
03:02:48,080 --> 03:02:53,200
Speaker 20: bannings that's going on in this country, which was significant

3272
03:02:53,240 --> 03:02:55,600
Speaker 20: to what happened in Germany, the book burnings of the

3273
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:59,920
Speaker 20: Jewish books and going forward. So I think declarion call

3274
03:03:00,240 --> 03:03:04,959
Speaker 20: needs to be enlarged, UH for the danger this waiting

3275
03:03:05,280 --> 03:03:07,800
Speaker 20: UH for black people in this country, because I firmly

3276
03:03:07,879 --> 03:03:11,840
Speaker 20: believe there's a black holocaust that is coming to America because, uh,

3277
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:17,080
Speaker 20: the people who are currently being prosecuted and detained, they

3278
03:03:17,240 --> 03:03:23,120
Speaker 20: have a significant godfather, a patron saint, and it's uh

3279
03:03:23,280 --> 03:03:26,360
Speaker 20: headquartered in the city that was founded on seven Hills.

3280
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:29,800
Speaker 20: So they're gonna pivot away from those people and direct

3281
03:03:29,840 --> 03:03:34,000
Speaker 20: themselves their efforts to black people. And uh so it's

3282
03:03:34,040 --> 03:03:37,440
Speaker 20: gonna get real touchy and a and real real, real ugly.

3283
03:03:37,959 --> 03:03:42,200
Speaker 20: And to uh uh uh uh support that statement if

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03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:44,959
Speaker 20: you would read the Book of Matthew chapter twenty four,

3285
03:03:45,120 --> 03:03:49,480
Speaker 20: in particular verses twenty two and twenty three, it says

3286
03:03:49,600 --> 03:03:52,480
Speaker 20: the extent of of how this cornage is gonna go about.

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03:03:53,000 --> 03:03:56,000
Speaker 20: And as far as Egypt, mister browner, uh, they have

3288
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:58,760
Speaker 20: no greater legacy that can be found that's written in

3289
03:03:58,840 --> 03:04:02,080
Speaker 20: the Book of Isaiah than nineteenth chapter the last couple

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03:04:02,160 --> 03:04:05,840
Speaker 20: of verses. And I think you, as an Egyptologist so

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03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:10,000
Speaker 20: to speak, would appreciate that greatly. And lastly, mister brown

3292
03:04:10,040 --> 03:04:12,520
Speaker 20: and I really appreciate your work from the historical thing.

3293
03:04:13,000 --> 03:04:16,920
Speaker 20: You know, it's like the h looking back into history

3294
03:04:17,400 --> 03:04:19,760
Speaker 20: is very important, but we have to also be keen

3295
03:04:19,840 --> 03:04:22,600
Speaker 20: and looking forward to what's coming over the hill. And

3296
03:04:22,879 --> 03:04:25,320
Speaker 20: as lastly, and I thank you for the time to

3297
03:04:25,440 --> 03:04:29,200
Speaker 20: address this one most important issue. It is we have

3298
03:04:29,320 --> 03:04:32,600
Speaker 20: to remember that man is a created being. He has

3299
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:34,880
Speaker 20: a beginning, a middle, and an end.

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03:04:35,640 --> 03:04:40,320
Speaker 1: And so let's give me a chance to respond.

3301
03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:45,360
Speaker 20: About two months as far as Jesus, he said this

3302
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:48,640
Speaker 20: on the cross, he said it is finished, So there

3303
03:04:48,760 --> 03:04:51,120
Speaker 20: is going to be an end. And I just hope brother,

3304
03:04:51,280 --> 03:04:53,720
Speaker 20: that you know the fullness in which those words meant.

3305
03:04:53,879 --> 03:04:57,240
Speaker 20: Bless you both, appreciate you, Anjie.

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03:04:56,959 --> 03:04:58,560
Speaker 4: Thank you, Anji, thank you.

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03:04:59,120 --> 03:05:04,160
Speaker 15: And let me just this man, Egypt, in Ethiopia, I

3308
03:05:04,280 --> 03:05:07,440
Speaker 15: mentioned more in the Bible than any other country, and

3309
03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:11,200
Speaker 15: that one will find if one travels to Egypt and

3310
03:05:11,360 --> 03:05:14,920
Speaker 15: studies what was written thousands of years ago, one will

3311
03:05:15,000 --> 03:05:17,280
Speaker 15: find the essence. One will find the black print for

3312
03:05:17,360 --> 03:05:21,040
Speaker 15: the Bible. In Egypt, the oldest story of Genesis. One

3313
03:05:21,080 --> 03:05:25,080
Speaker 15: will find a prototype for the story that became the

3314
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:29,000
Speaker 15: story that was reinvented as the story of Jesus. So

3315
03:05:29,160 --> 03:05:31,600
Speaker 15: what I'm asking you to do, brother, I'm asking you

3316
03:05:31,720 --> 03:05:36,000
Speaker 15: to have faith and move beyond the Bible to text

3317
03:05:36,080 --> 03:05:39,120
Speaker 15: it are older than the Bible, that were the source material,

3318
03:05:39,200 --> 03:05:44,040
Speaker 15: the original source material for the Bible and then see

3319
03:05:44,080 --> 03:05:47,360
Speaker 15: it for what it really is. I would challenge you

3320
03:05:47,879 --> 03:05:50,400
Speaker 15: to open your mind to do that. I've got two

3321
03:05:50,520 --> 03:05:53,520
Speaker 15: or three chapters in my current book that lay out

3322
03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:56,840
Speaker 15: some of that information, that provide resources. So I would

3323
03:05:56,920 --> 03:06:01,480
Speaker 15: invite you to expand your mind some editional books so

3324
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:04,280
Speaker 15: that you can have a clear understanding that all history

3325
03:06:04,320 --> 03:06:05,080
Speaker 15: is a current event.

3326
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:09,600
Speaker 1: And that's for anybody who's steeping religion too, because what

3327
03:06:09,879 --> 03:06:13,680
Speaker 1: Tony's talking about, our ancestors predated the Bible and the

3328
03:06:13,840 --> 03:06:16,320
Speaker 1: Quran and all the other religions because they're all man made.

3329
03:06:16,600 --> 03:06:18,880
Speaker 1: So that's what so hopefully our g this is what

3330
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:21,840
Speaker 1: Tony is telling you. But Tony, before we let you go, though,

3331
03:06:22,280 --> 03:06:24,160
Speaker 1: give us information again about the book signing.

3332
03:06:25,360 --> 03:06:25,640
Speaker 7: Sure.

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03:06:25,959 --> 03:06:31,199
Speaker 15: It's this Saturday, the seventeenth of January at the Third

3334
03:06:31,280 --> 03:06:36,199
Speaker 15: and Marshall Center, eighteen sixteen twelve Street Northwest. The time

3335
03:06:36,360 --> 03:06:39,520
Speaker 15: is from noon until two. We start on time, so

3336
03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:42,240
Speaker 15: if you're late, you will be left. I'm going to

3337
03:06:42,320 --> 03:06:44,040
Speaker 15: talk for about an hour and then we're going to

3338
03:06:44,080 --> 03:06:48,760
Speaker 15: spend an hour signing books. So eighteen sixteen twelve Street

3339
03:06:49,160 --> 03:06:53,560
Speaker 15: this Saturday at noon until two. Come on out if

3340
03:06:53,600 --> 03:06:57,119
Speaker 15: you want more details, you can go to our website

3341
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:02,440
Speaker 15: www dot ikg info dot com. I'll be doing some

3342
03:07:02,480 --> 03:07:06,080
Speaker 15: book signings at Saint Cold from Mahogany Books within the

3343
03:07:06,160 --> 03:07:09,360
Speaker 15: next month or so, so if you miss Saturday, there'll

3344
03:07:09,360 --> 03:07:12,000
Speaker 15: be other opportunities. If you can't make it Saturday, you

3345
03:07:12,040 --> 03:07:15,920
Speaker 15: can order the book on our website at IKG that's

3346
03:07:16,000 --> 03:07:20,320
Speaker 15: input dot com. I encourage you all to read because

3347
03:07:20,400 --> 03:07:24,920
Speaker 15: it ain't illegal yet. Read because that's where the knowledge

3348
03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:28,120
Speaker 15: and the power lies in books. You got to know

3349
03:07:28,360 --> 03:07:30,800
Speaker 15: what to read, You got to know how to read.

3350
03:07:30,840 --> 03:07:33,160
Speaker 15: It got to be able to comprehend what you read

3351
03:07:33,520 --> 03:07:37,080
Speaker 15: and have intelligent discussions with people who are readers as well.

3352
03:07:37,600 --> 03:07:40,640
Speaker 15: What is in your library determines what is in your life,

3353
03:07:40,879 --> 03:07:44,520
Speaker 15: so everybody needs to be building a library books. I

3354
03:07:44,600 --> 03:07:46,320
Speaker 15: also want to encourage folks to come out to the

3355
03:07:46,360 --> 03:07:48,360
Speaker 15: third of Marshal Center. On the second floor, we have

3356
03:07:48,480 --> 03:07:51,320
Speaker 15: the Clark Enhance the Story Project. One of our displays

3357
03:07:51,560 --> 03:07:55,119
Speaker 15: lists ten books which should be in everybody's library.

3358
03:07:55,879 --> 03:07:57,920
Speaker 1: Just about flat out of time here, so I just

3359
03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:59,800
Speaker 1: want to thank you for sharing your thoughts. Thank you.

3360
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:02,920
Speaker 1: That's a family. That's it for the day. Kevin wants

3361
03:08:02,959 --> 03:08:05,199
Speaker 1: to kick us out of the classroom, but the classes

3362
03:08:05,240 --> 03:08:08,320
Speaker 1: dismissed though. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll

3363
03:08:08,320 --> 03:08:10,720
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore

3364
03:08:10,840 --> 03:08:14,720
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB on fourteen fifty wol