WEBVTT - 7-27-26: Rules Of Having Sources

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<v Speaker 1>Hi oh, let's go oh, let's go oh, let's go oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go Welcome back to SHAWT Snooze Talk one oh

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<v Speaker 1>seven point nine FM WBT.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Jensen here with you, come it to you. Two

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<v Speaker 2>minutes late. Don't know who that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Two minutes late, seven oh four, five seven oh one

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<v Speaker 1>O seven nine And again that is the WBT text

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<v Speaker 1>line driven by Liberty Buick GMC.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why we are two minutes late. Get

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<v Speaker 2>in on that. We'll figure that one out. So pull

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<v Speaker 2>a TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean TJ was complaining being thirty seconds late. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's jacking it up, making me two minutes late. My

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<v Speaker 1>people expect me at six h five, not six oh seven.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to do something about that, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, we've got some stuff we're gonna get into,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that I will take you behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes like no one else in this station can, and

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<v Speaker 1>very few people actually in this city can. When it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to behind the scenes of media. I've been at

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<v Speaker 1>the smallest levels, and I've been at the biggest levels,

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<v Speaker 1>and everywhere in between. I've covered major major sporting events,

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<v Speaker 1>major major political events, major major news events, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not to like sit here and pat myself on the

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<v Speaker 1>back and govern my resume. But when I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>things about the way things work behind this curtain, no

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<v Speaker 1>one else can tell you about it, and I can.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this for thirty years, like I said, from this,

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<v Speaker 1>like it says in my ex bio, I've covered everything

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<v Speaker 1>from six year old six year old championship swimming to

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<v Speaker 1>the Olympics, and been in the middle of a war

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<v Speaker 1>over there in Ukraine near the like right beside the

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<v Speaker 1>front lines, interviewing people whose villages have been bombed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they call me breaking bray. This is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be about breaking news and house sources. And this topic

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<v Speaker 1>is very relevant because of what's going to be taking

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<v Speaker 1>place in a couple of days with ancient Anthony Fauci

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the the Covid Zar if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>all that craziness where he said, you don't need a mask,

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<v Speaker 1>you need a mask.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need a mask, you need a mask.

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<v Speaker 1>So and there's a reason why, and I know that's

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<v Speaker 1>a cliche now because everyone uses that term.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a reason why this, there's a reason why this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a reason why that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we now know the reason why Joe Biden gave

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Fauci immunity for basically twelve years, ten twelve years,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it was going back eight years, I guess, going

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<v Speaker 1>back to twenty sixteen. So anything that Fauci did between

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, whatever it was in twenty twenty four Fauci

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be prosecuted criminally for not only did he do

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<v Speaker 1>that for some, but he did it for Anthony Fauci,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe he also did it to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of then congressmen like Adam Shift and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>who were clearly breaking US law the way they were

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<v Speaker 1>doing things, like clearly breaking rules in the Constitution on

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<v Speaker 1>the way to set things up, like truly, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even it's not even a debate, because if they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't breaking US law, then why would they need the

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<v Speaker 1>pardon they get out of jail free card from Fauci

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<v Speaker 1>dating back for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's some things that I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Play for you, and I will apologize in advance if

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds a little weird or a little muffled. And

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<v Speaker 1>the only reason I'm saying that is is because T

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<v Speaker 1>Mobile is experiencing a power outage nationwide.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours truly is on T Mobile.

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<v Speaker 1>And I I can't email certain audio.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't email audio.

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<v Speaker 1>So with that being said, I'm gonna have to try

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<v Speaker 1>and play the audio over my phone because, as I

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<v Speaker 1>just said, I can't email it. Well, Brent wi Fi, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. No, I understand what you're saying. That'd

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<v Speaker 1>be a note. I've had SOS on my phone for

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<v Speaker 1>over an hour, meaning the only thing you can do

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<v Speaker 1>is reach out to nine to one one on your phone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only thing you can do. Meaning your phone

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<v Speaker 1>is in SOS mode, you can only call nine one one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, oh, somehow mine just went through. I don't know how,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it did all right. That actually amazes me.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, I don't want to play it here because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be able to get into it next

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<v Speaker 1>segment and like not play for you now and then

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<v Speaker 1>have to discuss it and then go, okay, well when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, we're going to discuss it. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be able to discuss it, and I may

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<v Speaker 1>have Lonnie stop it at certain points so I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Some things that are going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I am going to do is I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to take you behind the scenes of what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>when you're dealing with sources, because the audio that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play for you deals talks about that and things

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<v Speaker 1>that Fauci did, things that he literally wrote in his diary.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I was not aware that a sixty

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<v Speaker 1>something year old man kept a diary.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it had.

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<v Speaker 1>His little cover had unicorns on it and pink flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not sure, not sure, little unicorns, flowers, rainbows, not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty five year old man, twelve year old girl. Not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure, although he's about the size of a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>year old girl. But oh my gosh, I got it back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm up to five g My cel service is back.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why my email finally just went through to Lonnie.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. How about them apples?

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<v Speaker 1>It only took T Mobile, Nation's largest carrier, service to

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<v Speaker 1>only an hour to get cell service, Thanks T Mobile.

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<v Speaker 1>Shape that do I get a discount on my bill

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<v Speaker 1>for not having mobile service for an hour? But I

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<v Speaker 1>do want. Like I said, what I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 1>is like sort of like a magician, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things on YouTube now where magicians

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you how tricks work. They've broken the code,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, and show you certain things on how

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<v Speaker 1>illusions work, magic trick works.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to do the same thing and take

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<v Speaker 1>you behind the scenes and behind the curtain about dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with sources, the dues and the don'ts, the ya's and

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<v Speaker 1>the na's. Because my entire brand, my entire career has

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<v Speaker 1>been built on breaking news. I've never been the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to write the nice, fluffy story about the

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<v Speaker 1>one arm baseball player who's twelve years old, or the

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<v Speaker 1>dog that can climb a tree whatever, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>mister touchy feely, oh human interest.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's never been me.

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<v Speaker 1>From the onset, a coworker of mine at the Charlot

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<v Speaker 1>Observer got laid off and fired because I was breaking

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<v Speaker 1>stories on his beat and I'd been on the job

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<v Speaker 1>six months and they're like.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, this has been your beat for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>It was this no name who knows nothing about journalism

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<v Speaker 1>breaking all your stories and then they ultimately let him go.

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<v Speaker 1>True story. I was twenty three years old. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>Charlot Observer, and that's been my forte Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest stories I ever broke, or even when I was

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<v Speaker 1>working at the Hickory Daily Record, and this would have

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<v Speaker 1>been from ninety eight to two thousand and I broke

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<v Speaker 1>a massive, massive story on Lenard Ryan athletics that wound

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<v Speaker 1>up in the Washington Post and the Associated Press and

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<v Speaker 1>other places I've that's I broke stories on the University

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<v Speaker 1>of South Carolina and cheating that was going on with

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<v Speaker 1>their football program under Holtz and under Steve Spurrier. Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Illustrated even called me about it. So this has like

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<v Speaker 1>been my whole thing. This is I've hung my hat

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<v Speaker 1>on breaking stories my entire career. So when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take you behind the scenes a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pull back the curtain. You're gonna hear some audio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna discuss the dudes and the don'ts. Going

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<v Speaker 1>back to breaking good Brett Jensen, all right, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna jump straight into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, We're gonna jump straight into it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Megan Kelly earlier today talking about what's in

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<v Speaker 1>Fauci's diaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I did not know grown.

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<v Speaker 1>Men kept diaries, but okay, again, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>they're pink with unicorns and rainbows on them, little flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>but who knows. So Fauci keeping a diary, an actual diary,

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<v Speaker 1>and making Kelly. Here's about two minutes of audio of

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<v Speaker 1>making Kelly talking about what's in the diary.

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<v Speaker 3>Dana Bash, who is featured there of CNN in April

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty one, after his Fauci's heated exchange with

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio Representative Jim Jordan at a hearing, Fauci Dana bat

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<v Speaker 3>Fauci wrote in his diary, Dana Bash sent me a text,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he quotes the text. This is what a sad,

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<v Speaker 3>little pathetic manny is who writes down their texts that

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<v Speaker 3>they've received from people who are on television, just so

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<v Speaker 3>they can keep them a note of how many famous

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<v Speaker 3>people texted them. Dana Bash sent me a text quote,

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<v Speaker 3>I just watched the whole Jordan thing again. You're a

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<v Speaker 3>better man than I. Well, what do you mean, You're

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<v Speaker 3>not a man? As our friend Wolf Blitzer said to

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<v Speaker 3>me yesterday, no would have blamed you if you said, simply,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Jordan, go yourself. So this is Dana Bash, who's

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<v Speaker 3>still interviewing him on her show as though she's an

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<v Speaker 3>objective newsperson, texting him this behind the scenes. Then there's

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<v Speaker 3>Jake Tapper, he writes, had dinner over at Jake Tapper

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<v Speaker 3>and Jen Tapper's home in DC. Terrific couple friendship building

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<v Speaker 3>again so weird. Normal people don't behave like that unless

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<v Speaker 3>they're users, right, which clearly he was. Then Tapper, the

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<v Speaker 3>most revealing aspect of these pages, writes the Ran Paul Team,

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<v Speaker 3>or how Fauci worked with compliant journalists to shape media narratives.

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<v Speaker 3>On July twenty six, twenty twenty, while watching the Assistant

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary for Health and a fellow member of the White

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<v Speaker 3>House Task Force be interviewed on CNN's State of the Union,

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<v Speaker 3>Fauci writes that the Assistant Secretary for Health was talking

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<v Speaker 3>about testing with Jake pressing him quote. I gave Jake

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<v Speaker 3>some questions to ask him, and then Tapper and he

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<v Speaker 3>were making fun of Laura Ingram of Fox News. After

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<v Speaker 3>my Laura Ingram hit Jake Tapper texted me saying, sarcastically, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>hard to believe Laura Ingram went to Dartmouth, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>All of us alumni are very proud. What the hell

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<v Speaker 3>he's this is a federal official whom he should be

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<v Speaker 3>cross examining and pressing and cynical love and pessimistic about

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<v Speaker 3>that's what you get paid to do, now, Chum, chum,

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<v Speaker 3>we dart with alum. Can't stand Laura Ingram. All of

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<v Speaker 3>it is so stomach turning, all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So there's a lot of to impact there, the

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<v Speaker 4>whole uh, clearly, And let's not forget this all through COVID,

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<v Speaker 4>let's not forget this.

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<v Speaker 1>CNN was lying to you about a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>How many of you remember that daring the whole COVID thing,

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<v Speaker 1>CNN twenty four hours a day on the right hand

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<v Speaker 1>side of that, I believe it was on the right

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<v Speaker 1>hand side of the screen a strip they went from

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the screen to the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>screen like a rectangle.

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<v Speaker 2>They had, and a.

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<v Speaker 1>Running total of the world death count and the US

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<v Speaker 1>death count for months months like it was the US

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<v Speaker 1>stock market, and constantly updated total because they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to scare the Holy but Jesus out of you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all they were trying to do. Never leave your house,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that your two month old gets vaccinated like

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<v Speaker 1>all that crap, right, Never let your children breathe on

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<v Speaker 1>anyone whatever like. That's what they were up like. And

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<v Speaker 1>they were the ones saying, basically, it wasn't a virus

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<v Speaker 1>out of a laboratory.

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<v Speaker 2>It was out of the wet market from a bat.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not forget all this.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you've got two journalists playing buddy buddy, actually

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<v Speaker 1>more than that, because I'm sure what Blitzer was right

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it, playing ring around the rosie. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>They're all having like a four way together between Wolf

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<v Speaker 1>Dana It's not Dana, she spells it d a n

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<v Speaker 1>a Dana Dana bash between Wolf Dana and Jake, Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Tapper and Fauci. So when we come back, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>break everything down for you and the rights and the

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<v Speaker 1>wrongs of sources. So now that you've heard the audio

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<v Speaker 1>and everything that went on, I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the good and the bad, the right and the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>that was taking place. With all that, Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>breaking with Brad Jensen here on this.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we going?

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night, Monday night, beautiful Monday night. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>tonight might be a cigar night. I haven't smoked a

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<v Speaker 1>cigar in about two three weeks Okay, so let's get

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<v Speaker 1>back to this is this is the important part of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Okay, you're about to learn something that you

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<v Speaker 1>do not know, and I will tell you this. Ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the media in Charlotte they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>this either. Okay, either a because they've never been in

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<v Speaker 1>these situations or be either so young they don't they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't experienced this yet. Sources, here's how they work. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>not all the time. It's about fifty to fifty. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of my info comes from people that I

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<v Speaker 1>know that trust me. Fifty percent of my info comes

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<v Speaker 1>from people I don't know, who could be just a

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<v Speaker 1>listener like you who works at CMS or CMPD or

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<v Speaker 1>up in Raleigh and would will send me some information.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when they send me information, I try to

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<v Speaker 1>verify it through my other long term sources. But if

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out to be true, then okay, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting to be able to trust this person. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>had multiple people reach out to me only because they

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm on the radio and only because they know

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<v Speaker 1>I break stories. And nobody knows who my sources are.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even my bosses know who my sources are. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a fact. That is a fact. So here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I've told going back. God, it's amazing now twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>actually more than not. Nineteen ninety nine was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I used this particular statement when I knew there

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<v Speaker 1>was when there was a coach or a player, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is when I was doing sports. But I use

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<v Speaker 1>it to this day, this particular statement. I said the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing when I was covering Clemson and I would

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<v Speaker 1>see half the starting offensive line in the quarterback Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Whitehurst and all the running backs, like at the Esso

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<v Speaker 1>Club or at Tigertown tavern, whatever, because Clemson's very small,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd see me and they like, oh crap, is

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<v Speaker 1>Brett gonna write about us or report about us? And

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<v Speaker 1>here's what I've told police officers, Here's what I've told

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<v Speaker 1>like administrators, executives, politicians, here's athletes. Here's what I tell everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you throw somebody through a bar window,

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. I don't care if you're drinking. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>chance that I'll even buy you a beer. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you do throw someone through a window, I will only

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<v Speaker 1>get involved, basically if they get.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurt or if.

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<v Speaker 1>The police get involved. And if the police get involved,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got no choice. That's how it works. If the

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<v Speaker 1>police get involved in something you do, even if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with you or happen to be in the same bar,

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<v Speaker 1>but not with you. Once the police get involved, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on it. I do not have a choice. So

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you do, just don't get the police involved. If

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<v Speaker 1>you get in a fight. It happens, people get in

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<v Speaker 1>fights all the time. Don't get the police involved, and

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<v Speaker 1>don't like knock the guy unconscious that the ambulance has

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<v Speaker 1>to come, which is hard to tell an offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 1>or a linebacker.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's rule number one. Don't get the police involved.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are a source of mind, if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine, I don't have a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>At that particular point.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you've gotten the police involved or you've sent somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital, now I don't have a choice, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will report on it. And I tell everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>and they understand that, so they don't want to go, oh, Brett, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you're reporting on this. Man, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we were boys. Dude, you got the police involved, the

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<v Speaker 1>hell do you want me to do? So that's number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two, you know, with having dinner over at Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Tapper's house, or texting back and forth with Dana Bash

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<v Speaker 1>and Wolf Blitzer.

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<v Speaker 2>I will text people.

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<v Speaker 1>That I believe will be involved in a particular situation.

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<v Speaker 1>We all remember the Oversight Committee hearing on Safety and

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte where Game McFadden went to Raleigh and he got

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<v Speaker 1>in a back and forth that went national about know

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<v Speaker 1>what branch of government does the sheriff serve under?

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<v Speaker 2>And all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we all remember that very famous incident back in February.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it was February. We all remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Leading up to that particular moment, I texted a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of members that were on the subcommittee and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we expect? What are you looking for with this?

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<v Speaker 1>What angles are you going to take? I spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>Gary McFadden beforehand. I knew before anyone in Charlotte that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been subpoened. He called me Christmas Eve, the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, I believe it was Christmas Eve.

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<v Speaker 1>It said Brett, I just got subpoena to show up

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<v Speaker 1>at the House Oversight Committee hearing. So okay, but he

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<v Speaker 1>told me, look, he gave me the information. But he

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<v Speaker 1>also told me, Brett, you can't report this. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, fine, So I didn't report it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>offering me the information, but under the condition that I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't report it, And I will go and tell you this.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an old saying that reporters only reveal about sixty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of what we know. A lot of times we

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<v Speaker 1>can't reveal information because A we weren't given permission by

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<v Speaker 1>our sources, or B if we did reveal information, it

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<v Speaker 1>would out our sources and it would be very easy

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who was feeding us the information or

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<v Speaker 1>leaking us the information. Or we were ninety five percent

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<v Speaker 1>sure that something happened, but we can't one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee it, like when I bet a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would, But can I one hundred percent prove it? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if you're ninety five percent sure it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't report it. So getting tight with sources. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of politicians that I know, as a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, making no secret about it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was up in DC, what was it.

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<v Speaker 1>A month ago, month, month and a half ago, month,

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<v Speaker 1>month and a half ago, something like that. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was up in DC the week before July fourth, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're almost a month ago. I was invited. There were

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<v Speaker 1>twenty people invited to a dinner at the Palm restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty people. Six of the twenty were congressmen. Thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the people in attendance were congressmen. There were twenty

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<v Speaker 1>people invited, and I was one of the twenty people.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the congressmen I'd never met before, I had

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<v Speaker 1>never spoken to. As a matter of fact, I even

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<v Speaker 1>had to ask somebody said, what's that dude's name? And

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<v Speaker 1>these were all congressmen from North Carolina. Now, there were

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<v Speaker 1>others there that I did know that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>really good working relationship with. That's the key term working relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were telling me who some of these There

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<v Speaker 1>was a state legislator there as well, and some political operatives.

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<v Speaker 1>People do that all the time in our world. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. But what you don't want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is become Diana Russini and you start dating someone in

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<v Speaker 1>political office or that's a head football coach. All right,

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 1>you don't do that. You don't date on someone that

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<v Speaker 1>you're reporting on. That's called a conflict of interests. Clearly, clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do try and build up trust, and but

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<v Speaker 1>you always set the parameters. You always set the groundwork. Look, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you invite me over to your house for dinner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go. But Jake Tapper and his wife or all

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<v Speaker 1>of them should have been like, just just so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean X y Z don't screw up and I won't

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<v Speaker 2>have to report about it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do something stupid, I'm gonna have to report

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and I'm gonna i have to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And every congressman, every city council member that

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever interviewed, every state representative, they all know the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, what does happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say one of them really really screws up in

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<v Speaker 1>a major way. Because I've built up a relationship with them,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the only way you build sources. Because I've

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<v Speaker 1>built up a relationship with them, they feel comfortable talking

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<v Speaker 1>to me about the situation that they screwed up more

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<v Speaker 1>than they might other media outlets because they trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>There's never been an interview that I can think of

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<v Speaker 1>or I've said, Okay, here are my questions when people

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<v Speaker 1>come in the studio, whether it's the US Attorney Rus

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson or CMPD chief Estella Patterson, whomever. They don't know

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<v Speaker 1>my questions. Nobody knows my questions. And be brutally honest

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I go into every interview knowing one or

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<v Speaker 1>two questions that I'm gonna ask, and all the other

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<v Speaker 1>questions are generally based off of their answers. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you build up sources. I sincerely doubt any of them

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<v Speaker 1>is keeping a diary and go. Bret Jensen sent me

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<v Speaker 1>a text today, yay, like Fauci did with Dana Bash. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you talk to them. You develop a really good working

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with them. You might even see them for beers

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<v Speaker 1>or dinners because they're a client life you're a sales rep.

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<v Speaker 1>You might take your client out for dinner. I've done

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. I will take these because I consider

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 1>them clients. I'll take them out to dinner or beer.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to send my best female sources every Mother's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I send them flowers. Even if they didn't have children,

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<v Speaker 1>I would send it from their pets. Guys, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be like cigars or beers or something like that. You

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<v Speaker 1>keep the working relationship and then if something bad happens,

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<v Speaker 1>to them. They trust you, and they'll still talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about it, but you don't do it at the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of eliminating information or doing like Diana Ruscini did

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and dating someone that you're literally covering and reporting on.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do that. You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back breaking with Brad Jenson here.

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<v Speaker 1>For about three more minutes, almost exactly three more minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well long last break, So that's why we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>very short break this time around.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, there are there are ways that you devot.

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<v Speaker 1>There is that fine line between getting too chummy with

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<v Speaker 1>sources and and keeping them ass sources. You've got to

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>be chummy for them to trust you and give you information,

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and they have to like you. But at the same point,

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<v Speaker 1>there is that gray line of crossing, and that gray

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>line ultimately will become the you know, the red line

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that you can't cross. And so not everything is always

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<v Speaker 1>black and white when it comes to developing sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be okay if Jake Tapper had Fauci over

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<v Speaker 1>to his house when they were feeding the world this

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>perpetual lie, if Jake Tapper didn't try to report things.

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>But he does.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not just a talking head, which ninety nine percent

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of news acres are. They just talk They're just talking heads.

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>They're just they're just reading what someone else wrote. Most

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>of the time. That's what they are, that's what they do.

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Some write their own stuff. A lot of them have

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:13.959
<v Speaker 1>producers and others that write their stuff for them. So

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<v Speaker 1>if Jake Tapper wasn't trying to be a reporter, or

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<v Speaker 1>if he did not have to interview Fauci, because the

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>problem is, once you start having someone over to your

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<v Speaker 1>house all the time for dinner or whatever, and you're

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>introducing them to the whole family, are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>ask them the same questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I have found it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easier in my line of work to ask the

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<v Speaker 1>harder questions a lot of times to people that I

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<v Speaker 1>have good relationships with, because they know I'm not doing

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>it out of vitriol, anger, hatred, gotcha questions, stuff like that.

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>They know that I'm going to to still do my

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>job and ask difficult questions if I have to ask

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>difficult questions, but I would probably dare say that Jake

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Tapper and Dana Bash probably never asked Fauci a difficult

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<v Speaker 1>question or ever asked Fauci a difficult question that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know was coming. They probably told him he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask they were going to ask this question,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he had his talking points already. People I

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<v Speaker 1>like people, I don't like people. I work with people

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<v Speaker 1>I don't work with. None of them know what my

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<v Speaker 1>questions are going to be. They don't. Every once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while they'll ask, well, what topics do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about? Well, I want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>economy and public safety. That doesn't tell you what my

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<v Speaker 1>questions are. So there's always that fine line. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>you can be extremely nice to your sources, me sitting

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<v Speaker 1>them flowers on Mother's Day, taking them out for cigars

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<v Speaker 1>and beer or bourbon. That's great, as long as they

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<v Speaker 1>also understand that if and when they ever screw up,

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<v Speaker 1>you will have to be the first one to report

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<v Speaker 1>about it. And I promise you that wasn't the situation

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<v Speaker 1>with those three CNN boobs. All right, boy, Jake Tapper

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<v Speaker 1>has not done well in the last year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, everyone, that's gonna do it for us tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>TJ and the Bear Richie's coming up next. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do this all over again tomorrow. My name is Brett Jensen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have been listening to Breaking with Brett Jenson