1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Halloween edition of The Hammer and Nigel Show. My name 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: is Nigel Jason hammer Wright over there with a very 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: special in studio guests. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say there's a lot going on 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana. But when the governor walked 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: in studio, he looked at me and said, you got 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: a beer. Governor Mike Brown joins us, how are you, sir? 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: Well, that's true. Number one. I didn't ask for that 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: because it's conventional sure, time of the day, we were 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: winding down, winding down. 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: I'm five o'clock somewhere right, You got it all right. 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: So the last time you joined us in studio, which 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: was a couple of weeks ago, I had asked you, hey, 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: we're hearing about some Republican senators that are not really 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: on board for the changing of the congressional maps. Yet 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: since then, you've called for the special session, which, if 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: you read the tea leaves, tells me you believe the 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Republicans have the votes in Indiana. Is that still the case? 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: It's gone from two weeks ago to where when I 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: declared the session, so many were jumping publicly not to 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: mention the ones that made up their mind to just 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: haven't declared it publicly that the momentum was there to 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: where I thought we needed to have a public discussion 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: on it, and we've been gaining ground even over the 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: last few days where that count ends up, I think 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: it keeps growing right through the discussion. They got to 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: craft maps on that particular topic, and I think you'll 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: have a lot of people then when they can see 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: what it is, discuss it among themselves and do it 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: in a public way. And if we hadn't done it 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: with the timing, it would have been difficult. The clock 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: starts with forty days and then you've got once you 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: do start, you can go no more than thirty days. 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: So I don't think it'll take once you get into 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: the meat of it more than a week to ten days, 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: probably in and around our day would be my guess. 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: And that's kind of what the logistics look like. 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: But you're not calling that special session unless you have 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: a good feeling that this is going to go through. 40 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: I think that idea that it's got to go through 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: for sure, that it's the end of the world if 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: it doesn't. I don't buy that. I think it's I mean, 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: we went through property taxes and that's not the end 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: of that story. A lot of people think, well, you're 45 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: putting a lot of Well, I told you there's going 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: to be more on that, and we found out recently 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: that so many people don't even realize their homes are 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: going to be two thirds exempted over the next five 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: years and not people are astounded at some of that stuff. 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: People just don't pay close enough attention to So if 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: an issue is important, you've always got another session to 52 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: fix it if you went overboard or if you didn't 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: do enough here. Likewise, with redistricting, this is done because 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 3: from Afar it was asked to be done. And now, 55 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: if you've been paying attention, Ohio just did it quickly, 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: and I think added two seats. North Carolina did with 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: a Democratic governor. Texas started it and Missouri quickly followed, 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 3: and there'll be another couple three. Indiana has just been 59 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: slower in the Senate to get where I think they're 60 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: going to go. The House came on board publicly that 61 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: they're going to pass it. 62 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: So you mentioned the Indiana Senate. That brings us to 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: the head of the Indiana Senate. The Senate pro Tim 64 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: Rod Bray been a lot of chatter that he's not 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: necessarily on board. Our colleague Abdul has been reporting that 66 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: Donald Trump himself may be willing to call in or 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: in some cases threaten certain members of Indiana of cutting 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: funding if they don't play ball. Have you heard anything 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: about this and your thoughts on the Senate pro Tim 70 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: rod Bray. 71 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: No, that's what you said there. That sounds like something 72 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: that Abdul is extrapolating. I've not heard any of that. 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: I think you do know, and it's public that. I 74 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: think Trump has talked to the senators a couple times, 75 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: some went out to see him, and as well. 76 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: As the Vice President coming here, coming in twice. 77 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: So if you can't put two and two together there, 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: you're not very astute politically. But when we spoke the 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: last time, I don't think the House was publicly on board. 80 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: I don't believe they were. So there's been a lot 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: happening in a short period of time, and if we're 82 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: going to get to the point where we can do it, 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: it was close enough and we would have run out 84 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: of time logistically. And for anybody who says this is 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: the end of the world if it doesn't happen or 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: not well, I think they're just off there. 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: Have you had a chance to speak with Rod Bray 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: and kind of gauge where the Senate's. 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: At was with him yesterday, and we didn't talk about 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: that particular subject, but we talked and everything I understand 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: he is. 92 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: You didn't talk about redistricy. 93 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: No, because it was on another subject. And we got 94 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: through that plainly, and. 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: It was about how much he loves screwing us on 96 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: property taxes. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 97 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: Remember that had two Senate votes to spare and the 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: product we ended up with. Who Ever thinks that wasn't perfect, fine, 99 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to give up what we did and 100 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: we can always amend it or add to it. Most 101 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: people think that was okay. But everybody's got their own 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: opinion on that here. Bray, I don't think he's been 103 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: twisting any arms. I think the White House is whipping 104 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: the vote. I think where. 105 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: So the White House is whipping the vote? 106 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're you know, they want to see 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: us come along, and I think they've been patient, especially 108 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: when you look at all the other states that have 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: done it fairly quickly. 110 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Why are they whipping the vote. Is it the midterms? 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: Is President Trump worried about the midterms at this point? 112 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Is what this is all about? 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: No, I think what it's all about is the fact 114 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: that it's an uneven playing field that the Democrats have 115 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: constructed over a long period of time. You look at 116 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: the six bluest states or in New England have about 117 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: three times the population of the three red or six 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: red estates out in the West, and they got about 119 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 3: three times as many electoral votes. They don't mess around 120 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: with that stuff. And if you're doing this, you're kind 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: of airing on the side of well, we'll take it 122 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: easy on them. And I think politically, when you look 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: at all the stuff they dish up and want to do, 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: you're condoning their policies. And this is not the gain 125 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: and advantage. It's to even the playing field. And when 126 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: you look at Illinois to our west, seventeen congressional districts 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: twenty four, it was forty seven to fifty three Republican 128 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: Democrat vote and of their seventeen districts, fourteen them are Democratic. 129 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: And that's been gerrymandered for decades. 130 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: Speaking with the Governor Mike Brawn here on the Hammer 131 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: in Nigel Show. So, another big issue taking place in 132 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: the state of Indiana is energy costs. We've been talking 133 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: about AES a lot lately, but Duke, another one of 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: the energy partners here for Central Indiana, has announced they're 135 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: going to have like a gradual price increase, not all 136 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: at once, but almost like somebody that wins the lottery 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: and accepts the lump payments, you know, spaced out time 138 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: over time comparison. This has been something that's been near 139 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: and dear to your heart. You've put people in positions 140 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: of power to deal with this kind of thing. Your 141 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: thoughts on Duke Energy raising their prices. 142 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: So we got five monopolies that run most of the 143 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: generation in this state, the investor owned utilities, and when 144 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: you look at what they've done, there's been no real 145 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: counterweight to basely rubber stamping those rate increases over the years. 146 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: And the iu RC has two appointments that we're looking at, 147 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: and we had a lot of people want to be 148 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: on it. I think forty seven to start with. We're 149 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: down to twenty two and I'll be given nine names, 150 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: one Democrat, two Republicans. It's got that stipulation of balance. 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: There timeline of a decision on the names on the 152 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: October replacements. 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: I mean like soon, because here you'll hear that in 154 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: the next week or so and I'll make that decision. 155 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 3: And then the president of the IURC is actually in December. 156 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: So I got three appointments, and there's one thing I'm 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: looking for. You're going to be as conscious of the 158 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: rate payer as you've been of the utility. And the 159 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: first signal if you want to read those tea leaves. 160 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: I appointed Abbi Gray and when Aes asked for twenty 161 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: one percent increase, she said, you need to lower rates. 162 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: So that is something we haven't heard. I've never heard that. 163 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: And they're going to need to make sure they cover 164 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: their legitimate costs. Don't do things through their accounting that 165 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: ask for rate payers to subsidize their revenue at the 166 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: expense of what maybe they should be doing through their 167 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: own investors and maybe doing things running their utilities more efficiently. 168 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: It'll be a different dynamic, and it's going to be 169 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: fair because we need electric generation. We're going to need 170 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: more of it if we're going to fuel our economy. 171 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: But it can't be done in a way that's going 172 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 3: to overburden the rate payer. 173 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: So who's going to have those tough conversations with aes 174 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: or duke if they start getting squirrely and saying we're 175 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: going to start raising up the rates. I know we 176 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: said this and you guys said that, but here's another 177 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: rate increase with the taxpayers. Who gets to have those 178 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: tough conversations. 179 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: First comment on that will be the Office of the 180 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: Utility Counselors. That's Abby Gray, she'll give her opinion. It'll 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: be down to the five commissioners on the i U 182 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: r C, three of whom are going to be replaced 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: over the next I mean soon on two and the 184 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: guy that heads the commission will be replaced in December. 185 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: So going forward, it'll be a whole new board and 186 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: they're going to be rate payer conscious as well as 187 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: what makes sense for utilities to grow in a healthy 188 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: way without burdening the rate payer. So it'll be a 189 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: whole new dynamic. 190 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: All right, When will we be respectful of your time? Governor? 191 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: One more question got to ask you, I mean the 192 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: grand jury investigation for the Lieutenant Governor Micah Beck with 193 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: if you had conversations with Mike, what do you think 194 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: about that? Any comments, any did you know about this anything? 195 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: We have about every two weeks a brown bag lunch 196 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: in my office with all the state officeholders. He was 197 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: there on Monday, I believe, and we didn't talk about that. 198 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: And I don't when to come out like yesterday, a. 199 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: Couple days ago, a couple days ago. 200 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: And we've known about this for a while. Our sources 201 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: have spoken to people who have interviewed as part of 202 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: the grand. 203 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: Sur have not talked to him about it, you know, 204 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: as much as I do about it, and he'll have 205 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: to contend with it. And according to him, he said 206 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: there's no merit to it, and someone else thinks there is. 207 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: So we see what happens. 208 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: So one more thing here real quick. I know Knight 209 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: said one more thing, but I thought this was important. 210 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: Christy nom visited the state of Indiana, talked about some 211 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: things that she did on the northern part of the 212 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: state supporting ice. To me, the takeaway from that was, 213 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: there's an awful lot of people getting driver's license, whether 214 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: it's in the state of Indiana or elsewhere, to drive 215 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: these big rigs that have no business getting driver's license. 216 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: Walk me through Christy Nome's visit in the state of Indiana. 217 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: Well, they're getting them in California and the places that 218 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: are actually housing all the illegal immigrants that are there 219 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: as a sanctuary state, or and our city. But then 220 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: when they jumping a big rig, they're heading across the 221 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: country and we're finding that a lot of them can't 222 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: necessarily read how they've gotten a CDL. That's not easy 223 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: to do and all the training that goes along with it. 224 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: So California is handing it out like you're getting in 225 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: a slot machine or something terrible. It's reckless, and that's 226 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: what she was talking about. In our Indiana State Police, 227 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: when you see a big rig that's pulled over, we 228 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: routinely make sure the vehicles are safe and that you're 229 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: credentialed properly. And since we have so many interstates that 230 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: come through, we're going to get trucks that are licensed 231 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 3: in almost every state all the time, and sooner or 232 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: later you're going to run into this. And they've already 233 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: pulled over drivers that aren't properly licensed, and then when 234 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: you look into their records, they got a lot of other, 235 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: you know, big things on them, some of them serious. 236 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: So Indiana is going to simply be a partner with 237 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: ICE and DHS as opposed to condoning it. 238 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Obviously, it seemed like it was a positive visit. When 239 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: Christy Gnome came here. 240 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: It was I mean, that's the beauty of what we're 241 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: getting is Indiana on anything they're doing in DC. That 242 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: is a policy that most of us would think makes sense. 243 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: Indiana is getting the first call to help support it, 244 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: amplify it, and a lot of times we're already doing 245 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: it here. So yes, that was. It had a lot 246 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: of media, a lot mostly from Chicago because they were 247 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: worried about how it might impact them. 248 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: Passing up candy at the Governor's mansion tonight, Yes, I am. 249 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: Anybody that comes by dressed like Rob Kendle, they get 250 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: like a rock, right? Is that how it works? Every 251 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: every other kid gets candy, But if you're dressed like 252 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: Rob Kendle, you get a rock? Is that right? 253 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 3: You get a piece of coal. 254 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: Governor, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate 255 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: you joining us. It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.