Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome everyone to the Frans
Speaker 1: per Second Podcast. Can it be inch here? And glad
Speaker 1: to have everybody with us for this big blockbuster movie,
Speaker 1: The Odyssey, directed by Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 2: Nick said he ain't missed in twenty five years? Is
Speaker 2: that what he said?
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, he hasn't missed. Yeah, he said
Speaker 1: he ain't missed in twenty five years. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: he did this one. I think he's been working on
Speaker 1: this one for a minute, they say, and uh, we're
Speaker 1: here to talk about it.
Speaker 2: It was Roy He said it was the first movie
Speaker 2: shot Charlen.
Speaker 1: Amazing all I'm atam that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm trying to pull up what's the name?
Speaker 2: Did it too? Though?
Speaker 3: Center? I thought they did it, but maybe he didn't
Speaker 3: do the whole thing. And I don't think the whole
Speaker 3: thing is seventy millimeter is the He shot it to
Speaker 3: where you can view it in different Ryan Coogler is
Speaker 3: who I'm talking about. He shot it to where you
Speaker 3: can see it in different formats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he shot it for different formats. He Nolan just
Speaker 1: did it and wanted like, hey.
Speaker 2: Take it, leave it or you don't. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: you can only shoot in six minute increments when you're
Speaker 2: doing it in imax like that.
Speaker 3: Man, Yes, really yes, because of the film. It's a
Speaker 3: film in the camera, it's it's actual film. Oh, it's
Speaker 3: loud as hell. Custom casing for it so it won't
Speaker 3: be as loud. And even with the custom casing, he
Speaker 3: still had to do a technique like a mirror technique
Speaker 3: for the actors to be able to act back and forth.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah into this when you know how the
Speaker 2: technical stuff it makes the movie like oh shit, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I appreciate.
Speaker 3: I've always said I appreciate big budget films as much
Speaker 3: as I like indie films.
Speaker 2: I also can appreciate big budget films.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems to be doing well.
Speaker 1: It tally and estimated one one hundred and twenty four
Speaker 1: point five million and domestic ticket sales during its open
Speaker 1: weekend and two hundred and sixty four.
Speaker 2: Point one million globally.
Speaker 1: And it's his best opening weekend performance ever and part
Speaker 1: of that was boosted by the large format screenings, So
Speaker 1: it's off to a pretty good start, yeah, it says
Speaker 1: Imass reported nearly thirty million estimated ticket sales for the
Speaker 1: weekend and when you're looking out to get tickets, man,
Speaker 1: like this shit was like damn, it sold out everywhere,
Speaker 1: especially for the Imas shit, so people were definitely want
Speaker 1: to check out the movie.
Speaker 2: I already know what Spike things.
Speaker 4: Oh the Dennis sports chat will tell other people that
Speaker 4: aren't another chat.
Speaker 2: The movie was amazing. I think feel like how it
Speaker 2: was shot, the technical parts of it, what Nolan did
Speaker 2: as a director. I appreciated that looking at that knowing
Speaker 2: that there was no CGI, knowing that he shot it
Speaker 2: in all Imax stuff and the technicalities behind them. There
Speaker 2: was no CGI. Yeah, he said, where they find giants?
Speaker 2: I don't know how they did the Cyclops shit. They
Speaker 2: said it's no CGI. Moving is what? What about the
Speaker 2: mother giants? I don't know. They said a really tall aspect.
Speaker 2: They said it's no CGI. I don't know. What's crazy?
Speaker 2: Like the film thing. If you ain't using CGI, how
Speaker 2: you make that stuff? But they said there's no CI.
Speaker 2: This didn't look like Star Wars. Rock didn't like Star Wars,
Speaker 2: but Cyclops like he was really there in fact, so
Speaker 2: they said it's no CGI. And then big ass fucking
Speaker 2: Knights looked like they were really there, like just just
Speaker 2: looks super imposed. But ahead you tripping the cyclops.
Speaker 3: They both could be Actually, I mean, if it's no
Speaker 3: c J. I didn't, I didn't read that part. But yeah,
Speaker 3: if it's no c J, yeah that you can do
Speaker 3: that too. You can just make other ship smaller to
Speaker 3: make that look bigger.
Speaker 2: But all of that stuff was dope. The accents kind
Speaker 2: of took me out. I feel like it was way
Speaker 2: too modern for the time period that they was in.
Speaker 2: I could have used a little bit of accent about
Speaker 2: the punisher, get him. Uh do you need that dude
Speaker 2: in every movie? Yeah? He didn't. It wasn't him him him,
Speaker 2: Holland and uh, what's my main name? With the like,
Speaker 2: I just feel like they could have been more into
Speaker 2: the time period. But the cast and I didn't have
Speaker 2: a problem with I like Lupete in a role. I
Speaker 2: didn't understand the criticism with that. And then the story
Speaker 2: was I just don't let it. But you knew she
Speaker 2: was gonna be black, and second you saw she was married.
Speaker 2: The fucking burn off. But all of that stuff being said,
Speaker 2: the story just wasn't it's fascinating as people had made
Speaker 2: it out to be. I was new I had never
Speaker 2: heard its Like I didn't read it in high school.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this was a three thousand year old story.
Speaker 4: Really before three weeks and you never heard of it.
Speaker 4: The Ilio in the Odyssey, Homer and.
Speaker 2: All that I know I'm talking about. I knew. I
Speaker 2: know Homer and the philosophy and things like that. I've
Speaker 2: read some of his stuff before, but I've never heard
Speaker 2: this is I know that's his main work, but I
Speaker 2: see like quotes, and I see like other little small
Speaker 2: things that he's doing, like poems and ship but I've
Speaker 2: never read the Odyssey. But you're familiar with the Trojan
Speaker 2: Horse story and all that. I know what the Trojan
Speaker 2: horse is, but no, I'm not familiar with I've heard
Speaker 2: the terminology Trojan. That's the Trojan horse. I got a.
Speaker 4: And I know you used to sneak into some things
Speaker 4: and the k stuff bus out.
Speaker 2: I had no. Yeah, this story wasn't familiar to me
Speaker 2: at all. So like, even with that being said, it
Speaker 2: felt like it was rushed and there was stuff left
Speaker 2: out that should have been there just even watching it,
Speaker 2: but all of mine, it was okay. I wasn't mad
Speaker 2: at it, HM, so I understand, like you would.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would enjoy the book over
Speaker 1: the movie, but there were some things that were changed
Speaker 1: to adapt it to the screen.
Speaker 2: So that's probably why the.
Speaker 1: Story felt that way, you know, And you would have
Speaker 1: to read it the Iliad then Odyssey, because the Iliot
Speaker 1: happens first, read the Itla first.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that makes sense. Oh no, what about you, Mike?
Speaker 2: I pretty much echo Spike. It was it was cool.
Speaker 4: I think they made some very very very very questionable
Speaker 4: casting decisions, and that was my only real issue with
Speaker 4: this movie. I didn't want to see this. I had
Speaker 4: just forgot to hit y'all with the Rod and be like,
Speaker 4: I ain't got the time. I meant to tell y'all
Speaker 4: that weeks ago, and I forgot.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 4: I was pissed at myself, pissed because I wasn't gonna
Speaker 4: I didn't remember until the day I was gonna go
Speaker 4: see the movie, and I was like, fuck, I didn't
Speaker 4: give them proper notice that I'm not going not a rod,
Speaker 4: I'm in a spike.
Speaker 2: My bad, I'm in a spike. Like how you did?
Speaker 4: Those were furious. I meant to tell y'all way in advance.
Speaker 4: I was not gonna go see this shit, and I forgot.
Speaker 4: So I was stuck going to a three hour fucking
Speaker 4: long movie about fucking Lord of the Rings ass fucking
Speaker 4: goofy ass fucking trolls, and shit didn't my three hours.
Speaker 2: It the fuck it didn't.
Speaker 4: This ship felt like forty days or forty nights watching
Speaker 4: this long ass fucking movie.
Speaker 2: Oh. I was so mad at myself. But it was good.
Speaker 2: When it ended, I was like, Okay, that was cool.
Speaker 2: The final act act three, like to close it out,
Speaker 2: that was fine. Oh, I got some things to say
Speaker 2: about that man. There was black folks in my theater
Speaker 2: during that shit.
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, it was cool. I just will get
Speaker 4: to it. But the casting choices were not great.
Speaker 2: M Oh, you ain't like Lupeita was dope. She's always dope.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want, I mean John Burnhal. I'm sorry. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he should not have been this movie. That's my boy.
Speaker 2: I've said a million times. I fuck with John Burnhal heavy.
Speaker 2: It's the first time I seen him in something. I
Speaker 2: didn't like that part me too. He had no business
Speaker 2: in this movie. I didn't love Tom Holland in this movie.
Speaker 2: He was fine, he was fine, but I didn't really
Speaker 2: like him, and I didn't have a problem with on Leguizambo,
Speaker 2: but he's always gonna be John Leguzamo with that fucking accent.
Speaker 4: So I'm with you the accent a little bit, but
Speaker 4: everything else. I mean, fucking what's his name Homie from Twilight?
Speaker 4: Robert Pattinson? He did add and was it an Hathaway?
Speaker 2: I think? So? She was great. Doctor Dre was good,
Speaker 2: but I don't know that show.
Speaker 4: I was movie where do I know him? That was
Speaker 4: doctor Dre from from n w A from the movie.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you got the real doctor?
Speaker 2: You didn't know? That's fun? He was. He was in
Speaker 2: the suit when the big ASSU. I was thank he
Speaker 2: was in twenty four too, right, Yeah was good? He
Speaker 2: was good. So yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did not remember to pull a spike
Speaker 4: and say I'm not going to see this.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I saw it. I just put it because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to add to the conversation. I
Speaker 2: probably won't be able to add anything to this either.
Speaker 2: I don't know the story. Yes, I'm a nerd spike,
Speaker 2: but again, I'm not a loser. I'm joking. You thought
Speaker 2: what that I read this. I was required reading.
Speaker 4: I thought it was required reading that the art institute.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: This was no required reading an art institute. I was like, bitch,
Speaker 4: I'll draw you a cyclops I'm not reading this nonsense.
Speaker 3: Maybe you remember have to maybe my Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: have to. Not the book per se, but just some
Speaker 3: of the just some of the parts of it or whatever.
Speaker 3: We learned about Greek mythology and art and stuff.
Speaker 2: You must have taken your core classes at art institute.
Speaker 4: I did not do that. My core classes were already done,
Speaker 4: so I haven't taken it that.
Speaker 2: You didn't do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I took some of those classes when we learned
Speaker 3: a lot of that's probably, but you learned you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's art based, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: What about you rot?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think based on what I've been saying, you
Speaker 4: could tell like to enjoyed it because I appreciate the
Speaker 4: way it was created.
Speaker 2: And I'm a Christopher Nolan fan.
Speaker 4: It's no secret, Like I think the dude is masterful
Speaker 4: when it comes to big budget films.
Speaker 3: Like some people look really good at big budget films,
Speaker 3: and he's one of those guys. Like he's very very
Speaker 3: good at his craft, and I respect it. I mean,
Speaker 3: he has the track record. Whether you want to admit
Speaker 3: it or not, he has the track record. I think
Speaker 3: you can like him and you can also like Lord
Speaker 3: budget films. You know, you don't have to like one
Speaker 3: of the other. And as a filmmaker, I like him.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to fact check something. Yeah, Coogler has
Speaker 3: shot twenty percent of the film of Sinners in IMAX,
Speaker 3: So yeah, that is impressible for him to do this
Speaker 3: entire film in seventy millimeter imax. He actually had to
Speaker 3: create the technology to do it, so he is the
Speaker 3: one that created it to be able to do this,
Speaker 3: So that that in itself is crazy, and that allows,
Speaker 3: like for them not to use a lot of green
Speaker 3: screens c G I and and things like that to
Speaker 3: pull out certain color and textures and things like that.
Speaker 2: It's it's a purpose behind the found tall ass.
Speaker 3: It's meant to be able to look at this in
Speaker 3: the movies basically.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I appreciate that part. So I appreciate the
Speaker 4: technical part, and I just I like the story. I
Speaker 4: like this story a lot. I don't remember reading the
Speaker 4: entire book, but I do remember reading aspects of the story.
Speaker 2: In college or whatever.
Speaker 1: So so I was familiar with the characters here in
Speaker 1: this story.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 4: Just typical? Typical, typical. Yes, there is c g I
Speaker 4: and Christopher Nolans. I don't know why you always listen
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 2: Director Director Christopher Nolan famously relied on extensive practical effects
Speaker 2: rather than that Yeahgi. He built life size sets, included
Speaker 2: sixty foot mechanical puppets for cyclop and full scale wooden
Speaker 2: ships for Matt Damon on Scotland.
Speaker 4: But there is still CGI in the movies just as extensive. Right,
Speaker 4: it doesn't say like completely that's your fault.
Speaker 2: What I said. I thought the bike account, I said,
Speaker 2: if it was, I could see how he would have
Speaker 2: did you know, different tricks like like you said, to
Speaker 2: make it seem like it is, like it's more practical.
Speaker 2: But anyway, man, I'm not I did. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: I didn't ask.
Speaker 4: But no, man, yea, I enjoyed this, man, I enjoyed
Speaker 4: this theater experience. I feel like, if you're going to
Speaker 4: go to the movies, this is what you go to
Speaker 4: the movies for. You know what I'm saying, This isn't
Speaker 4: like something that you sit in your living room and.
Speaker 2: Watch what you could.
Speaker 4: But this is what theatre experiences are for, and that
Speaker 4: and that's that's the business that Christopher Nolan is in.
Speaker 4: He's in the theater expendence experience business. He did it
Speaker 4: with Dark Uh, Dark Knight. He wanted to create an experience,
Speaker 4: you know when you walk in Imax. Like, so, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I love this because Ryan Cooler is on that scene too.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Ryan Coogler can create Fruitville Station and you can also
Speaker 4: create centers.
Speaker 3: I love that. I love that, man, And but nah,
Speaker 3: I just like the story in general. I get your
Speaker 3: guy's criticism about some of the some of the act
Speaker 3: that the casting choices in here, because I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, how do you open up a movie like this
Speaker 2: with Travis Scott? Oh? I forgot about him? Yeah, Barred,
Speaker 2: I think, man, is he the first person you see?
Speaker 2: It don't matter. But I'm just like a beat Mike.
Speaker 2: He paid to be in this movie. He didn't get
Speaker 2: paid to be in this movie.
Speaker 4: I think he paid to be in this movie. Dude,
Speaker 4: Like you got this, dude, I'm like, try to Scott. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is not a way to open up a movie. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, not this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not this movie. That was really weird to me.
Speaker 4: So that was kind of like a turn off, honestly,
Speaker 4: But as we got into it, I was just like
Speaker 4: cool and I get y'all with the accents that, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they could have did better with the accents.
Speaker 1: Let me go out and get this out of the way.
Speaker 1: Did they play Zendaiya in this movie?
Speaker 2: They did a little bit what we had a large
Speaker 2: but small role.
Speaker 1: They kept advertising her lives and they it appeared to
Speaker 1: be they kept making it seem like she was going
Speaker 1: to be a big role in this movie that was
Speaker 1: doom too, you remember doing She was barely in it.
Speaker 1: We weren't really doing ship talking.
Speaker 2: But I didn't get that she was going to be
Speaker 2: the main focus in this movie. But they definitely used
Speaker 2: her in marketing material.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it made it seem like she was gonna do
Speaker 1: more than just standing there and just look at gays Odysseus.
Speaker 2: And I like to dis again that she was just
Speaker 2: like and stuff. I didn't either, That's why I'm confused.
Speaker 2: I just I just kept hearing people say she was
Speaker 2: gonna be in Yeah, she was in the trailer, right, No,
Speaker 2: even if she was in the trailer, I don't imagine.
Speaker 4: They made it seem like she was the main part
Speaker 4: of the movie, and they had everybody's name because she
Speaker 4: has a big name.
Speaker 2: Of course they're gonna put her name in that ship.
Speaker 2: She's maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe you're right. I don't know. I don't know either.
Speaker 1: It felt like like, because you know, I think or
Speaker 1: maybe conflating this movie with people talking about the day
Speaker 1: a year in the movie.
Speaker 3: She's in sure, probably, And I also heard she got
Speaker 3: Tom Holland in his job.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know how much I believe that I
Speaker 2: did then. But I also saw John burnhal so I
Speaker 2: don't know, but.
Speaker 1: You know, Bernie's safe safety safety safety safety he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we never saw his face, but people like that, they said,
Speaker 1: they kind of added to you know, his menacing appearance.
Speaker 2: So ship the dude he came out the ground yeah
Speaker 2: later yeah, no dark aga Yeah, well he did come
Speaker 2: off the ground later, yeah, right, didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all he did was just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: walk around and hug people. But anyway, so, yeah, the
Speaker 1: filmmaker you're talking about, Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: was like, why did he show this mother face?
Speaker 2: Because I thought it was the guy that was in
Speaker 2: uh Star Wars. Oh that's the one that had the
Speaker 2: curly hair guy. Is it Adam Driver? Yeah that's what
Speaker 2: I thought. It was his face though, So that's who
Speaker 2: was in the in the in the dope Heilm and
Speaker 2: the ship. I was like, why are they not showing
Speaker 2: his face a whole? Who was it? That was Agamemnon
Speaker 2: the dude went back home and got killed? Yeah okay, and.
Speaker 4: That was played by the softy brother the film the
Speaker 4: directed uncut gems right, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, so I guess he was just
Speaker 1: throwing anybody any and everybody in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 1: But over all I loved it. I actually saw it twice.
Speaker 1: I actually want to go back and watch it again.
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? I loved this. You wanted
Speaker 2: to experience times? Did you see it? Like?
Speaker 1: So, I saw the imats first because I'm not a
Speaker 1: big believer. I think I MATS is overrated regular Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: so I saw that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, but they tricked me. Damn. Did you
Speaker 2: see the seventy millimeters one? Yeah? I want to go
Speaker 2: see that's the one different. It is different. It is
Speaker 2: because I was seeing the stuff online. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he was AI Picks, but it was showing how
Speaker 2: it looked in imax. We could see a full helmet
Speaker 2: and everything, and then versus how it looked regular. My
Speaker 2: ship was cut off. You didn't go to the right
Speaker 2: when the ticket said seventy million. What I'm saying the
Speaker 2: ticket says seventy millions, it wouldn't even be.
Speaker 1: That's the one I was telling you about yesterday the
Speaker 1: Spike went to and when we were talking, no, I
Speaker 1: think it was Friday. It was like the difference between
Speaker 1: the But remember when I asked you, Spike, I was like,
Speaker 1: because you you were like, I said, what is the difference?
Speaker 1: And then I looked up and I saw I'm at
Speaker 1: sin is a seventy millimeter screen two. So so that's
Speaker 1: why I was talking to Rod, like, if there's a
Speaker 1: difference between I'm at seventy millimeter and then that's seven million.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And everybody has a head.
Speaker 4: I know who anybody was from the job down.
Speaker 2: I can see that head. What the hell I can
Speaker 2: see the hen It's just like they were showing online
Speaker 2: where the top of it was cut out.
Speaker 1: It was like that in mind, it was difference, and
Speaker 1: I saw that I'm at first and I'm like, let
Speaker 1: me just go ahad and get this out the way.
Speaker 2: Because my wife and I went.
Speaker 1: She wanted to see it, so we went and saw
Speaker 1: it adobe my preferred way.
Speaker 2: But man, when.
Speaker 1: I it does make a difference because even though you
Speaker 1: do get to see everything, it did kind of add
Speaker 1: to the experience in this movie for whatever reason, just
Speaker 1: seeing more of the ship.
Speaker 2: So is laser the trash one, Yeah, Laser's trash because
Speaker 2: that's my thing.
Speaker 4: So I keep ending ending up seeing stuff in laser
Speaker 4: because that's the only time that works out. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: you can't I get that now because I couldn't tell
Speaker 4: what the fuck Like when they would be fighting, I
Speaker 4: couldn't tell what the hell was happening.
Speaker 2: It looked like Transformers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sucks. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I was bombing. I was like, what you're saying, this
Speaker 2: is difference because I don't understand. You just said it
Speaker 2: was a difference, then you said it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: No, don't listen to me. I'm just saying that in
Speaker 1: terms of the screen side, they're the same. What I
Speaker 1: looked up. I'm asked, is a seventy millimeter? And then
Speaker 1: you went to a seventy millimeter?
Speaker 2: But it didn't say I mixed.
Speaker 1: It didn't say I'm ass And that's where I got confused.
Speaker 1: But I don't know the difference between the two. That's
Speaker 1: why I was asking him, what you.
Speaker 2: Say, I'm at seventy millimeters?
Speaker 4: Is it's the taller format, And that's what I was
Speaker 4: trying to figure out how AMC was doing it, And
Speaker 4: that's what I was saying. I say, do they have
Speaker 4: another theater outside of the regular Imax because where are
Speaker 4: they gonna show this one at?
Speaker 2: So I'm like, if they're trying to use the same
Speaker 2: IMAX screen, I just don't understand why they would put
Speaker 2: like regular large projection, which is the regular IMAX experience
Speaker 2: versus differ because think about when you went to go
Speaker 2: see when they when you went to go see Oppenheimer
Speaker 2: and Sinners.
Speaker 3: If you want to go see that in Imax, it's
Speaker 3: not like the seventy MILLI million that he just shot
Speaker 3: this in.
Speaker 2: Do you get what I'm saying? So I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I haven't been to it yet, so I don't know.
Speaker 4: How they're doing it. So that's what I was trying
Speaker 4: to ask him, like, well, how are they doing that?
Speaker 4: Because if it's on the.
Speaker 3: Seven, if it's on the Imax screen, like, is it
Speaker 3: filling up most of this more of the screen. So
Speaker 3: maybe the one you saw didn't fill up the whole screen.
Speaker 2: It did, so it might and it was supposed to
Speaker 2: be more screen, which is what I thought I was
Speaker 2: buying or getting to when I bought the ticket, the
Speaker 2: one that you could see everything on the screen, the
Speaker 2: one that I was at, it was seventy millimeters, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't Imax. Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 3: They probably played you.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was one scene if I remember correctly, and i'mats
Speaker 1: like the ship the ship was cut off. All you
Speaker 1: saw was the ship and the imats. You saw the
Speaker 1: ship and then you saw the ocean, so it kind
Speaker 1: of opened up. So but yeah, more horizontically. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I loved it, Like I've read the Iliad
Speaker 1: and Odyssey, so I'm that loser.
Speaker 2: But I love Greek mythology.
Speaker 1: Greek mythology got me into like great storytelling, and then
Speaker 1: that was kind of like and this was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, but I think that's what led me to
Speaker 1: like comics with all the characters and different stuff that
Speaker 1: they have in here, which led me to, you know,
Speaker 1: down that path. So so yeah, so, and I saw
Speaker 1: it in forty X by the way, and I want
Speaker 1: to I'm so tempted to go watching that was it?
Speaker 2: So I want to see it in forty yes, and
Speaker 2: I want to see what you saw. It was so good.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this ship was, but.
Speaker 1: I might get a ticket and may not stay and
Speaker 1: watch it. I just want to see the screen. I
Speaker 1: might just go find a time just where you you
Speaker 1: don't go to south Lake. Yeah, that's that's the wor
Speaker 1: so it was theater twenty. That's that's that's on the
Speaker 1: side exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying that even when they told me
Speaker 2: the theater that was, and I was like, what, oh
Speaker 2: you got play but I sent you my ticket. I
Speaker 2: know my ticket. It said seventy minimo And I don't
Speaker 2: know how they did that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh, let's get into the movie, man, because
Speaker 1: that was a long opening. But uh yeah, anyway, we
Speaker 1: opened with the horse, and the movie closed with the horse. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then we're introduced to like the suitors and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. We see tellmarkas uh, he's protecting the beggars,
Speaker 1: which is a rule that a DC is and and
Speaker 1: zoos kind of follows. It's something that they have in place,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a key thing. As we found
Speaker 1: out later, we also learned that it's been eight years
Speaker 1: since the Fall of Troy and almost twenty years since
Speaker 1: well DC has left. And Penelope was telling us all
Speaker 1: that shit because she was upset the whole movie.
Speaker 2: She was pitched it was twenty years altogether. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: said it was almost twenty years since he been gone.
Speaker 2: Mm yep.
Speaker 1: So did this kind of serve because all of it, like,
Speaker 1: all this kind of run together. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: doing high level summary, So did this kind of how
Speaker 1: do you guys feel as they did? You guys feel
Speaker 1: like they did their job of giving us background to
Speaker 1: kind of start setting up the movie, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot more set up left.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I do feel like they did a great job at
Speaker 3: establishing who was who and what was going on. A
Speaker 3: good enough job, not everything, but like a good enough
Speaker 3: job to kind of get us going.
Speaker 1: Because he kind of did it in batches because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of information that they have to kind of
Speaker 1: dump on us.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was rushed.
Speaker 1: Too.
Speaker 2: As I was watching it, I feel like they rushed
Speaker 2: through that. Maybe I'm just thinking about what you just
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of rushed. So you thought
Speaker 2: it was rush yeah, I was. I was immediately confused.
Speaker 4: I was like, for the first thirty five minutes, I
Speaker 4: was just like, what the fuck is even happening right now?
Speaker 2: Where the hell was Odysseus, Why he ain't back, Why spurts?
Speaker 4: Why they're showing any these spurts. Why is Peter Parker
Speaker 4: conn his mama ho? I was just like, I don't
Speaker 4: understand what the hell is happening?
Speaker 2: But it it.
Speaker 4: Gradually, Yeah, it got there, But for the first thirty minutes, No,
Speaker 4: I'm a spike.
Speaker 2: It was right. Yeah, there's a lot more set up too.
Speaker 3: It's set up that you don't realize that's there until
Speaker 3: until you get there, though, because when you get there,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, that makes at this.
Speaker 2: Point I had those moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I still did not have those moments because the
Speaker 4: whole time I was just like, why is Odisseus trash?
Speaker 4: You didn't you like Grick Grimes? So of course you
Speaker 4: didn't think he was. He was giving me Grick Grimes
Speaker 4: vibes the whole movie.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we were talking about this year was terrible.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 4: We'll look into the reasons why. But yeah, the question,
Speaker 4: I don't think he was a good y'all a leader
Speaker 4: with him.
Speaker 2: Did you watch this movie? He got all the people
Speaker 2: talking about at the end before that, Before.
Speaker 4: Before that, he kept going places that he didn't need.
Speaker 2: To be okay when he didn't go the right route
Speaker 2: in the very beginning, I do agree with you, and
Speaker 2: I was done at the cycloss part. I was like,
Speaker 2: I want to walk out of this movie. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we we'll get we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the fact, so we'll talk about all of
Speaker 1: the things that he did that was stupid.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he isn't make dumb decisions, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a horrible person.
Speaker 4: Bad leader than the leader was definitely in that sentence,
Speaker 4: you see a bad leader. Yeah you think on that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think watching it so I feel you.
Speaker 1: The first time I watched it, it was like you're
Speaker 1: just thrown into this world, you know, about the horse
Speaker 1: thing and stuff like that, and then we get all
Speaker 1: of this like as might like to say, exposition about
Speaker 1: stuff that's happening and U and it's like, and that's
Speaker 1: just the first a couple of minutes. But yeah, Penelope
Speaker 1: is visibly upset, but she's holding out hope that Addie returns,
Speaker 1: Tellingmarchus is frustrated that all these men are trying to
Speaker 1: bang his mom and claim basically tooth throws, you know.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, all this ship is happening. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's upset about that ship. Yeah, that's that's all
Speaker 1: they were trying.
Speaker 2: And he was mad about that ship. So then we
Speaker 2: shift to more story and more.
Speaker 1: Background where we get to mentor, which is actually where
Speaker 1: the word comes from.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So those people were paying to stay in
Speaker 2: the castle as suitors, like I didn't they were drinking.
Speaker 2: I didn't think they were paining. They just showed up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they showed up for her to pick the hub. Because
Speaker 2: OF's rules, she couldn't kick him out, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were drinking and eating all of his
Speaker 1: which they kept reminding him of.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well Tea kept reminding him of that, and I think
Speaker 1: Penny as well. But anyway, so yeah, so we shift
Speaker 1: to men tour uh and he's training Telemachus and then
Speaker 1: that's when we get more background information about what happened
Speaker 1: during the twenty years. So we hear about Synox story
Speaker 1: and a Tenius and how Tenius was supposed to go
Speaker 1: uh to war but he switched with synoc and uh
Speaker 1: Odcus caught it and that's why he made Uh. I
Speaker 1: think a Tenious family paid for a Synox family, So
Speaker 1: that's their whole thing.
Speaker 2: Which that ship was confused to me, that was in
Speaker 2: this movie. Yeah, it was very confusing. I didn't have
Speaker 2: to look it up. Mike, Yeah, they were standing in
Speaker 2: line and the two little boys was right there and
Speaker 2: short little boy and oh that part you're talking about,
Speaker 2: kay yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So that's what happened with that, which of
Speaker 1: course comes back later. And he was lying about it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was telling everybody that he wanted to go, but
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, yeah, he said, yeah, he wouldn't let him.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, you know, they also like everything
Speaker 1: that happened in this movie, they told us was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you know. So he was talking to damn, what is
Speaker 1: the old man name with the eye?
Speaker 2: Look it up? I don't I didn't write that fucking down.
Speaker 1: Uh oh mayus, Oh yeah, mays, yeah, don't give me
Speaker 1: line with the names.
Speaker 2: So wait, they originally picked the guy that went anyway, right, No, no,
Speaker 2: they picked the other guy, Yeah, Robert Patterson's character. So no,
Speaker 2: that's what I was confusing. So why didn't he go
Speaker 2: because it was a coward? Huh? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I thought they picked the Yeah, the little dude and
Speaker 4: the other guy was going to swap and they said, no,
Speaker 4: you can't do.
Speaker 2: That's what that's what I picked.
Speaker 1: That's not what happened, young Young Ateneus pulls the rod.
Speaker 1: That means he has to fight, but he was afraid,
Speaker 1: so he struck a deal with sin On, the son
Speaker 1: of the servant for his wealthy family. Sinon took his
Speaker 1: place in the war, and in exchange, at Tennis's father
Speaker 1: paid Sinon's family.
Speaker 2: That's what happened. But that wasn't in the movie.
Speaker 1: Though it was in the movie. They just explained it
Speaker 1: really really poorly.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was Yeah, I thought he didn't
Speaker 2: pick it up. I thought he just switched with dude
Speaker 2: and dude got picked over.
Speaker 1: Him, because that's why he said later on when he's
Speaker 1: talking to the That's why he was like, yeah, my
Speaker 1: family died poor and starving because the dude didn't uphold
Speaker 1: his job, and that's why he said, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: be a shame back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened. It was confusing as fun. Oh
Speaker 2: so we're supposed to pick up the dude that stayed
Speaker 2: in his whole family with pieces of ship, Yeah, gotcha, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, they told us that if because
Speaker 1: I think t was asking uh U mayas, like what
Speaker 1: would happened to my dad came back and seen all
Speaker 1: this ship.
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, he'll come.
Speaker 1: Back and kill everybody and everybody yeah yeah, and he
Speaker 1: said some with coward and some once they see him
Speaker 1: killing everybody.
Speaker 2: That ship happened everything in this movie.
Speaker 1: After watching the second time that happened, they told us
Speaker 1: what happened. But we also learned about his morals and
Speaker 1: about him plucking the bowl because that's important.
Speaker 2: That was fire. Yeah, And at the end, Mike, I
Speaker 2: thought that what that was fire? How's it stupid? How
Speaker 2: is it stupid? I thought you was with him? Wait?
Speaker 2: I thought, who was with the bad leader part? That's me?
Speaker 1: I said, bad leader, not yeah, I think that's what
Speaker 1: he's talking about.
Speaker 2: To that's an addition to it. That's not the leader part.
Speaker 2: But that's just stupid. A man of honor, honor that
Speaker 2: got your whole team killed because you're stupid. I thought
Speaker 2: that's what might get away. But at the end he
Speaker 2: was at the end, it was hard that. I think.
Speaker 2: I feel like they only did that so they can
Speaker 2: have that part at the end.
Speaker 4: At the beginning, when he was hunting, I was like,
Speaker 4: you supid as fuck, man, you hungry.
Speaker 2: You must not be that hungry. I want to give
Speaker 2: a chance. Then put your boat down and go fucking
Speaker 2: wrestle with him. Right.
Speaker 1: Body knows he's a bad motherfucker and he knows that
Speaker 1: even if I get his mother fucker chance, he ain't
Speaker 1: got a.
Speaker 2: Chance until it sucked him up. It did a pig
Speaker 2: fucked him up.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, so but really, looking like that dude that
Speaker 4: the Bison got to the of.
Speaker 1: Was really to just give us more background about it, Tenius,
Speaker 1: and then show us that move that t was gonna
Speaker 1: do later, the belly.
Speaker 2: Belly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was it. So anybody find any of
Speaker 1: that stuff helpful?
Speaker 2: All right? I like to fight and see the belly thing.
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty dope up real quick though.
Speaker 2: When he was fighting, Yeah, he was saying, you're doing
Speaker 2: the your combos too quick, and he was how your belly.
Speaker 2: It didn't help him. I mean it took right. He
Speaker 2: still got stabs, Like, yeah, you were supposed to get stabs.
Speaker 2: That's because that's because he didn't stay for the training
Speaker 2: because all he heard was showing your belly.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, anyway, some more background because we gotta
Speaker 1: get into the movie because all this it's a three
Speaker 1: hour movie. Also, be patient, Uh, that's listening but uh so,
Speaker 1: we also hear that Ifaga niece came for security and
Speaker 1: the room is growing restless, and then we see he's
Speaker 1: talking to Penny and she basically wants him to remarry.
Speaker 1: But they also show us that Agamemnon sacrifice his darter
Speaker 1: to the gods.
Speaker 2: Was I the only one that thought that was in there?
Speaker 2: Where when that little black baby baby? Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: talking to his mama and he took the little baby
Speaker 2: out to that. She took the baby out to the
Speaker 2: scene because she says, you got to give a sacrifice
Speaker 2: to get a sacrifice. Yeah, I don't remember that part.
Speaker 2: Oh man who carried the baby out there? I didn't
Speaker 2: know with the helmet the wind that got killed. He
Speaker 2: went back home. That's why. That's why his wife killed him.
Speaker 2: Oh asleep, No, asleep, But I don't remember that. That's
Speaker 2: a major porter. That's the reason why that got killed.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was dark, that's right. You said you went
Speaker 3: to the shitty.
Speaker 2: Sit theater not even know what the I was looking
Speaker 2: at the shadow shadow.
Speaker 3: Now, he sacrificed the daughter to the sea because he
Speaker 3: was just like ship, he will kill all of us.
Speaker 3: He killed his own daughter. What do he sacrifice her
Speaker 3: for what was he for grace for uh, for grace
Speaker 3: on his travels. Okay, yeah, that's pretty stupid.
Speaker 2: It worked, still died and came now a se right,
Speaker 2: not traveling.
Speaker 1: Prince yees all, you got traveling mercy, deal with the
Speaker 1: devil always details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got traveling mercy.
Speaker 1: But like those Trump accounts, right, that's how the Trump
Speaker 1: account this year, maybe ten, twelve, fifteen years now.
Speaker 2: But your eyes go get gone, don't get got.
Speaker 1: But uh but yeah, so now yeah, so anyway, uh
Speaker 1: and then you know a bunch of conversations about you know,
Speaker 1: shipping roots and Troy being impenetrable. Uh kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of America and all ship that's going on with
Speaker 1: the rip roots and ship like that.
Speaker 2: It was very parallel with war like that here.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so uh but yeah, he asked her to
Speaker 1: take a hub a hubby to protect the city and herself,
Speaker 1: and she dropped the bar that love is not a sacrifice.
Speaker 2: I like that line. Not some bullshit, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a nice little little bar just to show you. You
Speaker 2: just wanted to stay on the throne by yourself. She said, ca,
Speaker 2: none of these niggs competiti your daddy. Yeah, basically what
Speaker 2: she was saying, he's been on twenty years. She lying, bro,
Speaker 2: thank you. She did being up there by herself. She did.
Speaker 2: She sat set in the movie. She's like, they act
Speaker 2: like I ain't been running this ship, like it's not
Speaker 2: God damn built through it's do I trust that was
Speaker 2: her wanted her husband though she did. She didn't even
Speaker 2: recognize Hi when he came back. That I disagree with.
Speaker 2: I think she knew who that was. No, at some
Speaker 2: point in the conversation. I feel like she knew who
Speaker 2: it was. The closer to them. Why Crystal is always
Speaker 2: doing that to us? You know, that's Batman. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's all I can think about too. She was Batman.
Speaker 2: But he didn't even discuss. He was just talking regular.
Speaker 2: That's why I felt like she knew. I was like,
Speaker 2: he ain't even like that. She got to know it
Speaker 2: has been twenty years. Has been twenty years. But bad
Speaker 2: man too. Yeah it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Man, But yeah, but he's telling them I can still
Speaker 1: pissed off that they're still trying to sleep with his
Speaker 1: mom and anyone.
Speaker 2: DC is back, Uh you know, but he wants to sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh yeah, but but so he wants to
Speaker 1: throw but she's like, nah, she wants her husband.
Speaker 2: Back and uh.
Speaker 1: And we also get the story about the ball, which
Speaker 1: all is a setup for later on.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we see Antenna is kicking you know, the
Speaker 1: dog and the mass come up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hated that ship. They've been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of dogs in the last couple of weeks watching man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. Uh.
Speaker 1: Spike was telling Marcus a pump for running to get
Speaker 1: his daddy after he got his ass kicked by doctor drem.
Speaker 2: My daddy, because that's what happened, is what happened. He
Speaker 2: ran around and found out talking all that ship and
Speaker 2: then I like DoD dressa. Y'all seen him, right, He
Speaker 2: swung first, Bro, he swung first? Seeing him? Oh nah,
Speaker 2: I mean he feel I feel like he knew at
Speaker 2: that moment, like his mom was telling him, Man, you're
Speaker 2: just a boy, like he's grown ass men out here.
Speaker 2: You think that you can like have some type of
Speaker 2: say in what they do and how they like carrying
Speaker 2: themselves and how she came like you just ain't got
Speaker 2: the ability to you. And I think that scene right
Speaker 2: after that conversation was really good. So then go find
Speaker 2: your daddy ship. After that, he ain't talked to his mom.
Speaker 2: He love it. He go find your daddy. Right he
Speaker 2: got slammed on the ground. I'm talking to the conversations
Speaker 2: before when she was like you just boy, just said it,
Speaker 2: you know, just the boy. Kids don't listen to the parents.
Speaker 2: She was trying to tell him out.
Speaker 1: He said, all they want is for you to give
Speaker 1: him a reason and to kill you and then that's it.
Speaker 1: Don't take your ass out there and suck with these
Speaker 1: damn man.
Speaker 3: You're like, please, don't hurt my son.
Speaker 2: Queen.
Speaker 4: She had to be like, yo, please don't. I know,
Speaker 4: I know he'll he'll be a little bad ass, but right, please,
Speaker 4: please don't hurt my baby. Don't hurt my baby.
Speaker 2: He jumped up quick. I was like, man, he went
Speaker 2: for a nigga moll right there too, Like y'all seen this,
Speaker 2: y'all see with me. Character had the fake save.
Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, alright, alright, yeah he had took the dog out,
Speaker 1: put the dog out or whatever you know. So and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, but at this point, now everything is set,
Speaker 1: including a guy wearing the spurs because you may have
Speaker 1: told him like, bro, I don't know why are you
Speaker 1: walking around with him loud as damn boots on.
Speaker 2: I like that the breadcrumbs that they dropped the movie
Speaker 2: really even that in the Dog because when it happened
Speaker 2: later with the dog. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now Mike, we see Odysseus, we see Addie. He's
Speaker 1: out on a on an island with a white woman, Calypso,
Speaker 1: and they basically use her as a vehicle to tell
Speaker 1: the rest of the stories using flashbacks that we eventually
Speaker 1: get answers to. Uh, now we're probably like the two
Speaker 1: we're finished the third of the movie. I say, this
Speaker 1: is probably about the second and third. Yeah, how they
Speaker 1: told this did them using her?
Speaker 2: And so none of this work. I didn't understand that
Speaker 2: was supposed to be like the most beautiful woman in
Speaker 2: the world. Oh it is. Yeah, that was supposed to
Speaker 2: be like some god is from what I read, you know,
Speaker 2: but that was supposed to be like a beautiful goddess.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, if but they wouldn't wanted
Speaker 2: me to believe that, I'd go back to Anne half
Speaker 2: the way over her like she's kind of old. So
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like they did. You wouldn't supposed
Speaker 2: to use. She's fine, but she ain't like I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to believe she's the most beautiful old though she got
Speaker 2: old over time. She probably was. She probably was that
Speaker 2: been there seven years. She a woman can change a
Speaker 2: lot in seven years, especially a white woman. I just
Speaker 2: she was like, I got this. She was there well
Speaker 2: after I figured it out that she was supposed because
Speaker 2: I would I want to be there if I feel
Speaker 2: like I got a family. I thought she was. I
Speaker 2: thought he was.
Speaker 4: He was, Uh, you forgot under a spell because he
Speaker 4: was eating them fly She.
Speaker 2: Kept dragging him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how he ended up saying it wasn't just
Speaker 1: because it was just it was about choice.
Speaker 2: Okay. I I thought one of the tricks was supposed
Speaker 2: to be the PRIs a trick and she basically yeah,
Speaker 2: that's yeah. Basically Circe did that to.
Speaker 1: A season the book, the only way he can get
Speaker 1: off the island was he had to sleep with Circe.
Speaker 2: They ain't doing it in the movie. But what about
Speaker 2: you ro Did you like the pacing of this alpha Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but did you like how they used Yeah? I like
Speaker 2: how they used this vehicle to tell the flashbacks.
Speaker 3: It made the most sense since he's been stranded and
Speaker 3: he's trying to remember, he's seeing all the ship wrecords,
Speaker 3: all this this whole time, and it's just he's slowly
Speaker 3: piecing it together because she's feeding him less of the lotus,
Speaker 3: so he's recalling everything. So yeah, I thought this was
Speaker 3: a really good way to tell the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know he's losing his mind, like he's talking
Speaker 1: to Athena Zendia and clips were like, man, who are.
Speaker 2: You talking to?
Speaker 3: He like, you talk about two people and your and
Speaker 3: this this other one.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So, uh, just a bunch of other conversations. But Calypso
Speaker 1: here thunder in the daytime and she hears thunder at night,
Speaker 1: and that's when she was like, all, yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: the time you.
Speaker 2: Did get up out here. Yeah. Yeah, so you got
Speaker 2: you gotta go.
Speaker 1: Uh And then of course you had a Athena basically
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, you need to get your ass.
Speaker 2: Out of off this island, get back home. Uh.
Speaker 1: But Callpso didn't really want to let him go, basically
Speaker 1: had him there on some misery shit.
Speaker 2: Uh. So, and then we get how.
Speaker 1: Everything went down. So you know, after the war, they
Speaker 1: set for set self a home. Agamenon taps up Odysseus,
Speaker 1: the punisher just looks and stairs him down for some whatever,
Speaker 1: for some reason.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But Mike, as you were saying earlier, Odysseus and his
Speaker 1: arrogance decides he's gonna take the long way home, and Uriculus,
Speaker 1: the lero on the ship, was like, Agamemnon is going
Speaker 1: through the provisions route, Why we kinda go all the
Speaker 1: way around when we could just go home this way?
Speaker 2: But he's like nah. He wasn't even no good response
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 4: No, he was just like basically because I said so, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was no real reason for them to do that.
Speaker 2: It was irritating. It was almost like, yeah, we we
Speaker 2: just won this. You know, I'm the guy, you know
Speaker 2: I work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just yeah, basically, but they got lucky and
Speaker 1: they found an island which they pillaged.
Speaker 3: They didn't get lucky ad the first island, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: The first island was the Cyclops.
Speaker 1: No, that was the second album. The first island. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first island. He was like, you're lucky, bastard. And
Speaker 1: then the the first island was when they walked up
Speaker 1: and that guy they were talking to that was speaking
Speaker 1: another language they had the interpreted was liked that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, don't yep, yep, And they were. They
Speaker 1: were running through the island. They were pillaging everything, and
Speaker 1: fu sit up.
Speaker 2: He said. The sea people came right, all thought he
Speaker 2: said they were coming. That's what the guy said. I thought.
Speaker 2: I think. I was like, man, you need to take
Speaker 2: your ass home. Well, he said he's going home, but
Speaker 2: I'm going this way, and he was like, nah, we
Speaker 2: don't need to go that way. But he said, didn't
Speaker 2: that guy say something about the sea people? I can't remember.
Speaker 4: They all said something about the sea people. That's why
Speaker 4: we find out the end that the sea people is
Speaker 4: actually Odysseus.
Speaker 2: Right, So why did he say that to Odysseus when
Speaker 2: he seen.
Speaker 4: Odysseus Because he didn't know that Odysseus was the sea people.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone knew until the end. Yeah, it's dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyway, they got lucky and they found out
Speaker 1: that they pillaged it. And then instead of going home,
Speaker 1: he decided to take another scenic route and he landed
Speaker 1: in that stopping Mike.
Speaker 2: This is when we ran into the cydeclops could see
Speaker 2: they got cheesy here and eat it. No refrigerator or nothing. Man,
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, if y'all don't get the fuck
Speaker 2: out this room.
Speaker 1: But he man, he thought it was Hey, look that
Speaker 1: damn Sideclops came home and closed the door.
Speaker 4: Now the Cideclops confused me because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: can he see or not?
Speaker 2: You can see, but I will not. Well, they just
Speaker 2: had bad vision. This line of vision is just the one.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. The motherfuckers run in front
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 4: How was he not seeing that, He's saying, because he's there,
Speaker 4: like they're like ants to him.
Speaker 2: I can see an ant like close.
Speaker 4: Not really, I could tell at from a from a spider,
Speaker 4: that's fair.
Speaker 2: I was confused as she was dark dark. Yeah, shadow,
Speaker 2: you can see him when they got in the Fire's dark. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was so the dark. It's one of the big ants.
Speaker 2: That ship was confusing. Man, Now he can't.
Speaker 1: So in the original story of the Cyclass this was
Speaker 1: I am he remember he asked you.
Speaker 2: He was like, what's your name? Nobody? You know this
Speaker 2: story he has the Cyclops stuck. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in the original version when they go to
Speaker 1: the Cyclops, he was like, what's your name? He was
Speaker 1: like nobody, And they kept going back and forth. So
Speaker 1: then when he attacked him and got out, he said,
Speaker 1: who hit you? Hurt you? Like nobody? Nobody hurt me?
Speaker 1: And that was okay, all right, talked in the book
Speaker 1: yeaked here too, but yeah, but this was a deviation
Speaker 1: from the book. So yeah, he came home and closed
Speaker 1: the door. Uh, he ate two soldiers and then he
Speaker 1: got the itist.
Speaker 3: How did he get and if he closed the door,
Speaker 3: he closed behind him.
Speaker 2: It seemed like he closed it from the outside, But
Speaker 2: I guess he pulled the rock like a shower slide. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you do have a good point though, because the outside,
Speaker 2: like how would you pull it? I thought he just
Speaker 2: lifted it up, That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then how would you do from the inside? No, I
Speaker 2: thought the rock was on the ground. He just walked
Speaker 2: over it and then just picked it up and put
Speaker 2: it in the across the outside of the cave, not
Speaker 2: the inside of the cave. I thought, I don't That's
Speaker 2: where I'm with you at.
Speaker 3: I don't remember, That's what I'm saying. I don't remember
Speaker 3: seeing him actually coming walking past.
Speaker 2: Did he walk past him. He walked past him, so
Speaker 2: he closed it and then walked past. We're sure this, No,
Speaker 2: all I know is he closed the door. He closed
Speaker 2: the door, but.
Speaker 4: I don't remember him getting to the other side and
Speaker 4: the shadows and then yanked the ass.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. No, I think when he I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, when he first sat down there was
Speaker 2: by the fire. They was looking up at him, and
Speaker 2: he just grabbed one of their asses. I thought that
Speaker 2: was like one of the second I thought that was
Speaker 2: the second time he came in. Oh, no, he ate
Speaker 2: them up. He ate too when he first came in.
Speaker 4: So was he dumb or something, because like, wouldn't he
Speaker 4: eat too and then think there's.
Speaker 2: Probably more in here? No, he's he couldn't hear him either.
Speaker 4: That was that one and got full and feels I
Speaker 4: get it, but that was white meat.
Speaker 2: He couldn't hear them. Crazy.
Speaker 4: I was just confused about this part, really bad. I
Speaker 4: just didn't understand the dynamics of the of the cyclops.
Speaker 2: We're really hearing, because like, can you can you hear it?
Speaker 2: Ants don't talk.
Speaker 4: Don't get mad at me because you asked your goofy
Speaker 4: asked questions. Ants don't make sounds, Bro Crawley, No, but
Speaker 4: he wasn't that big. He could hear these motherfuckers like
Speaker 4: they were talking loud.
Speaker 2: It was echoing in there.
Speaker 4: This book got up on him and was like, I
Speaker 4: think he's asleep. You shut the funk up. It was
Speaker 4: it was not the funk out before. Yeah, having like
Speaker 4: that ship took him out, Bro. He went to sleep
Speaker 4: and he spit the helmet out like a sunflower scene.
Speaker 2: Bro. That ship the way he was eating them U.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, So this is when we saw
Speaker 1: like bad leadership from these were where it started terrible plans.
Speaker 2: For real, from getting stuck in there exactly. It was
Speaker 2: a damn now that you do? Why would you think
Speaker 2: you know it would be a good idea for us
Speaker 2: to get out? Stab him in the eye. He didn't
Speaker 2: come up with that plane.
Speaker 1: That was the third plan, Mike, and that was didn't work.
Speaker 2: The first plane. First was like when he opened the door,
Speaker 2: we all gonna run real fast and try to get out.
Speaker 2: That seemed like the best plan to me. Didn't work.
Speaker 2: It didn't work, but that this is like that it works.
Speaker 1: For the kicked them motherfuckers. Some of them got out.
Speaker 1: He kicked them motherfuckers up against the wall and he
Speaker 1: ate some more.
Speaker 4: Oh that's the one where he had that motherfucker looking
Speaker 4: like that that bison dude.
Speaker 2: He kicked that dude. That dude was flipping in the air.
Speaker 2: I was crying. I was imagine that show.
Speaker 4: Last fucking thing you see, yo, Sorry ass boss is
Speaker 4: like yo, when he opened the door, just run and
Speaker 4: you try to run that motherucker.
Speaker 2: Kick you you flip it. And I was it seemed
Speaker 2: like they could have been he ran back in there
Speaker 2: because the boys was It's like I could have just
Speaker 2: waited till he left. He seemed like he left every day.
Speaker 1: How they gonna move the rock? Yeah, he put the
Speaker 1: They came in there, the rock was down, the door
Speaker 1: was over when he came in. That's what I thought
Speaker 1: was I'm with understanding that, or maybe he knew they
Speaker 1: were in there so he started locking them in.
Speaker 2: That's what that's probably he knew they were in there.
Speaker 2: Then he he knew they were in there because he
Speaker 2: knew they couldn't get out. He keeping his keeping him alive.
Speaker 2: So when he was ready to eat eating livestock.
Speaker 4: I like this whole part this ship was. You shouldn't
Speaker 4: like livestock, but he let the livestock leave.
Speaker 2: Him come back. I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 2: I was was confusing, but.
Speaker 1: Either way, I think the I forgot the second plan
Speaker 1: was the hay and then the third plan.
Speaker 2: The second plan was blended in with the yeah, blending
Speaker 2: with sheet.
Speaker 1: The third planer he used man, I think he used
Speaker 1: men as ponds to get out that ship didn't work.
Speaker 1: And then finally they were just like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna hit this motherfucker upside the head.
Speaker 3: But that's causual to the awards. So when you say
Speaker 3: he's not a good leader, I mean you have front line.
Speaker 2: Everybody can't go like you said half front line.
Speaker 4: That was both dumb as fuck because the rock is
Speaker 4: still up.
Speaker 2: You stab let him flock out every day. Didn't they
Speaker 2: have something to join the rock open?
Speaker 1: They said they were going to try to use that,
Speaker 1: but that wasn't gonna right.
Speaker 2: They were gonna basically use it as a lever.
Speaker 4: The only way they can get out of him lifting
Speaker 4: that ship. So you stab him an eye, How did
Speaker 4: that help you?
Speaker 2: Because he couldn't see, but he could apparently couldn't see
Speaker 2: before he couldn't see. Well, this didn't make no, but
Speaker 2: either way it worked.
Speaker 4: And how do you see the rock you can feel
Speaker 4: walking around your house in the dark. Player you just
Speaker 4: said I can't like a cake? There you go, but
Speaker 4: I got to did he only has one?
Speaker 1: Either way he got he got out, uh, and everybody
Speaker 1: got out. The plan work this time and did he purposely.
Speaker 2: Got his hand. This iniated me. Can yeah, but this
Speaker 2: he knew that their motherfuckers got out.
Speaker 1: And the cyclope was mad, so that's why he threw
Speaker 1: the help.
Speaker 2: He was like, take your help, y'all, punk ass, this
Speaker 2: is for my dad. So I was so fucking mad.
Speaker 2: I was like, are you serious? Because he shot?
Speaker 4: There was no reason. Let's wait, no, no, no, you
Speaker 4: go ahead. And I was like, it'd be one thing
Speaker 4: if he could kill him, but you know you're.
Speaker 2: Not getting killed. Piss him off. Yeah, it didn't make
Speaker 2: any sense to me.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, he's like, I love to chase the one.
Speaker 4: You fucking wait till we get back to the boat.
Speaker 4: You come back and shoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't the moment. Ricka Leroy to get it
Speaker 2: with stuff.
Speaker 4: You think you can out power, but you just saw
Speaker 4: that you cannot out powered.
Speaker 2: Some white people. Really was he just had to do.
Speaker 2: He just had you just had to do that ship
Speaker 2: he's so used.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you notice this was if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: this was the one time he did not pluck his ball.
Speaker 1: She didn't have to because he but remember that the
Speaker 1: reason why I that I was because he didn't do
Speaker 1: it with honor and he and from this point on
Speaker 1: he was cursed.
Speaker 2: I thought that's why he I thought that was why
Speaker 2: he shot him, because that he was. That was the way.
Speaker 2: It was equivalent to plucking the boat. Why did he
Speaker 2: do it then? Because he.
Speaker 1: If the cyclocks didn't throw the helmet at Odysseus, he
Speaker 1: probably would have just left, said fallen soldier.
Speaker 2: Na it was the helmet. Yeah, this like that helmet
Speaker 2: pissed them off. I was like, want to do after
Speaker 2: I left? You want to talk? Now? You ain't your
Speaker 2: one eye? That's what happened, Like, oh for real? And
Speaker 2: you know he shot He looked around like.
Speaker 4: He was so kiddish the way Odyssey, this is a hole, bro.
Speaker 4: It was so I think I was just like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, Like in the theater, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can't believe he just did me too?
Speaker 1: His soyc class was so mad, bro, he was it
Speaker 1: was pissed when he got through the water.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know he was mad when he fell in
Speaker 2: the water.
Speaker 4: You know if somebody pissed you off and you either
Speaker 4: fall or you bump into something and make it ten times.
Speaker 4: When he's tripped on that rock, tripped on that all
Speaker 4: and he threw at him that ship was so funny.
Speaker 4: He trying to throw a rock at him, but he
Speaker 4: couldn't see it, and knowing to throw it, he does
Speaker 4: threw the ship wherever he could throw it and then
Speaker 4: tripped over it. And I know he was so mad
Speaker 4: when he stood up back.
Speaker 2: God, damn it, I fell. He was embarrassing. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was because everybody could see him, but he couldn't see him.
Speaker 4: He's like, I know everybody saw that ship too, man,
Speaker 4: And he said Poseidon's his father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like Posidon avenged meal help or something
Speaker 1: like that. I couldn't understand what he was saying, but
Speaker 1: that they did, and they were like, hey, man, that's
Speaker 1: what he said.
Speaker 2: What they said. He was good. He cursed him or something.
Speaker 2: He said. He said, Posidon, they have they have blinded me.
Speaker 4: I forgot what he said after that, but yeah, he
Speaker 4: was basically asking Poseidon to curse them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's his son. D didn't believe in the
Speaker 1: gods like that. He kept talking about the god journey.
Speaker 1: So what I was thinking was, Mike, do you think
Speaker 1: this is also kind of like almost like a metaphor
Speaker 1: of DC is kind of leading his flock to death,
Speaker 1: you know, with the kind of the ship, the sheep
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, And I thinking too much.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, you know, maybe I didn't. I didn't put
Speaker 4: that together, but probably because I mean anywhere he let
Speaker 4: his people they died, Yeah, because he's sorry as hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's terrible. So anyway, so we jumped back. He
Speaker 2: was talking. Sorry, he was talking to Calypso and he
Speaker 2: was like, oh, do I have a son?
Speaker 1: So we go back to Telemarca's who arrived at Sparta.
Speaker 1: We already kind of talked about the Punisher and the
Speaker 1: face that launched a thousand ships and he scarred her up.
Speaker 1: This was the deviation from the movie from yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: from the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assumed he did it, but I can understand
Speaker 2: was killing his brother. He didn't do that. The twin
Speaker 2: killed his brother. The prince did that to her?
Speaker 4: What Prince No, No, I think he did that because
Speaker 4: remember he wanted Helen.
Speaker 2: That's why it was.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I think because she did refuse once he
Speaker 1: got her, that was punishment for her.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought. Wait a minute, because you know
Speaker 2: she got a twin, so that wasn't the same grood. No, Okay,
Speaker 2: Helen one was Helen Detroit understood. One was Helena Helen Niggas.
Speaker 2: I forgot what her name was.
Speaker 1: It started with the ce understood Okay, uh club click
Speaker 1: clicked him in extra.
Speaker 2: Sound like an STD. I'm the fucking with no woman
Speaker 2: named Clintonestra. You got you got that ship? You must
Speaker 2: have that. Yeah, have a good ship. So yeah.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, so but they used this basically to
Speaker 1: tell the story of Troy or the horse and how
Speaker 1: the horse came about. And we found out that Sina
Speaker 1: that well, we found out later that a dc Is
Speaker 1: lied to Sina about the whole thing with the horse
Speaker 1: and ship because he really thought it was a gift
Speaker 1: for them. He didn't know that, he didn't know they
Speaker 1: were in the damn.
Speaker 2: Oh that's dirty. That's that's why they killed them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh that's dirty trash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember we haven't gotten it yet. But remember
Speaker 1: when he was talking to he was like, why did
Speaker 1: you lie to me?
Speaker 2: Bro? He was like when he went to hell?
Speaker 1: He was like, I would have So it's it's the
Speaker 1: way some of this stuff is confusing, But I'm confused.
Speaker 2: Are you just confused me? What happened now? Sam? Was
Speaker 2: was Elliott Page? Yeah? So the dude that was standing
Speaker 2: in front of the horse when the Troy people from
Speaker 2: Troy got there and got shot, he didn't know nobody
Speaker 2: was inside the horse. He thought, that's what I don't know.
Speaker 2: We didn't see how they got in or when they
Speaker 2: got in. I would he not know that everybody would
Speaker 2: to got that you don't like this part of the plan.
Speaker 2: He did not know, Bro, because remember only did say
Speaker 2: what Ken is saying when they got there, ghost or whatever.
Speaker 2: He's like, you lied to me? What did he say?
Speaker 2: He lied to him about the horse? That was the
Speaker 2: horse confused? I don't think he was a part of
Speaker 2: the plan. Nah.
Speaker 4: I really did just think that that horse was a gift.
Speaker 4: It didn't seem like he was ready to just die
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: Did he die?
Speaker 4: He m they killed him in They threw a whole
Speaker 4: as spike through his shoulders. The spike went through here
Speaker 4: or whatever, and they didn't know. They definitely killed him,
Speaker 4: positive because I thought he stopped the dude from about
Speaker 4: from killing him.
Speaker 2: That was the open scene.
Speaker 1: Later on they killed him, so yeah, it was kind
Speaker 1: of a misdirection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so what ros talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in the openness scene, he was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't kill a person that's bringing a gift to
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: That that's a violation of the gods. Right. They end
Speaker 2: up killing him later They did kill him. They stopped
Speaker 2: in that opening scene. They just didn't chop his head off.
Speaker 2: He was gonna die. They threw a whole spot spear
Speaker 2: through him, but but they live through that.
Speaker 1: They officially killed him in this scene. We just didn't
Speaker 1: see it, but we heard it. That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: They pulled the spear out after they said you know
Speaker 4: what you're here for, and he was like, oh, it's
Speaker 4: a gift, bru.
Speaker 2: And then I think later on we hear them kill
Speaker 2: him too. I thought they just pulled the spear out
Speaker 2: and he fell over dead.
Speaker 1: I think they I think they threw the spear in
Speaker 1: him because we're now have the perspective inside the horse
Speaker 1: and the spear comes through, they pull it out, and
Speaker 1: I think later we hear them actually kill him from inside,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, and I think that's what anyway,
Speaker 1: it don't matter, he dead, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you guys like the whole Troy thing like
Speaker 2: this was great? Yeah? Okay, this was fucking great.
Speaker 4: All that was tense, like them being inside. Now this
Speaker 4: just made me think again, Odysseus.
Speaker 2: Trash, because why did you build the horse so close
Speaker 2: to the fucking water? Thank you? I was like, what
Speaker 2: is wrong with you? Why I'm so dumb? So these
Speaker 2: motherfuckers inside are drowning.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the way Nolan wanted to create it
Speaker 1: and make it seem like it was just a part
Speaker 1: of the wreckage.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: So they wanted to make it like the horse the
Speaker 3: gift was a part of the ship records, and that's
Speaker 3: why you don't see where the ship is because it
Speaker 3: was just part of the wreckage and is the surviving
Speaker 3: thing of the records.
Speaker 1: So that was part of the trick to make it
Speaker 1: seem like the horseship wreck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was part of the trick, whereas other stories
Speaker 4: it's just shown like it's on the it's on the beach,
Speaker 4: and it's like, why is this shit just rackulously just right?
Speaker 4: He could have moved the horse back some dog huh.
Speaker 4: He could have moved the horse back some. He could
Speaker 4: have moved the back some because he's trash.
Speaker 2: It's like, how did you not know the water was
Speaker 2: gonna come up here and drown people?
Speaker 4: You trash, Let's build a horse right by the water.
Speaker 2: Oh no, people are drowning.
Speaker 1: Yes, stupid because Mike, they've been Spike. They've been on
Speaker 1: the island for ten years. They've seen this fucking tide
Speaker 1: come up.
Speaker 2: And y'all know how the water works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what That's what Punisher was saying, Like, we've
Speaker 1: been there for ten years, you know, until a guy
Speaker 1: came through and came up with this great plan.
Speaker 2: And he's sitting there strolling and he's sitting.
Speaker 1: There strolling along the beach, taking walks on the beach
Speaker 1: and ship like they get strategized.
Speaker 2: That was a shitty strata and he should have known that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't though it took up with Troy with distract,
Speaker 2: but half his men. Again, he just keeps letting.
Speaker 4: His people die and they wouldn't be casualties if he
Speaker 4: wasn't stupid.
Speaker 2: Why did it take Troy ten years to find them?
Speaker 1: Did they think they got stuck on? I think either
Speaker 1: they couldn't penetrate the city or.
Speaker 2: You know, the people that came looking for them. Why
Speaker 2: did it take them so long to find out? It
Speaker 2: takes a long time to sail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Saale, well, they weren't selling they they they
Speaker 4: came up on horsemen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had to they had to sail there first, right,
Speaker 2: I think that was they were already on that. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. If that was the island enemy people that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the island of Troy. Why did it take them?
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think it was because they can't
Speaker 2: even get in here anyway. So yeah, they patrolling. One
Speaker 2: day after ten years, they found this big ass horse
Speaker 2: had been on the beach.
Speaker 1: Because they believe in the god, so it made sense
Speaker 1: that there would be a gift from the god.
Speaker 2: They thought it was a peace offering. Ye, that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was like, yeah, so but nah, this this ship.
Speaker 2: You like this ship? Right? I love this.
Speaker 4: I always liked this story, and I liked his portrayal
Speaker 4: of the story. It was intense because you don't think about.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the slave ships.
Speaker 3: How you're sitting on top of ship and piss and
Speaker 3: all that. You don't think about, Like, yeah, they're sitting
Speaker 3: in this thing, but ship. They got to go to
Speaker 3: the restaurant.
Speaker 1: That's why one boy was that. One guy was trying
Speaker 1: to get up out of there.
Speaker 3: Bro right, So he was like, yeah, yeah, so just
Speaker 3: to think about because these are things you don't think about.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's cool, you know, it's a Georgia war. No,
Speaker 2: no, no people in there waiting to attacker. That's how happened.
Speaker 2: In the books, I.
Speaker 4: Can't I don't think they go into the details of details.
Speaker 4: So I thought that was a good detail to tell
Speaker 4: that part. It's the same way they don't talk about, like,
Speaker 4: like I said, the slave ship, they don't talk about
Speaker 4: that part, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: I thought that was very similar to to that or whatever.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man was gangsters hell Like. It definitely paid
Speaker 4: off from that story of a trojan.
Speaker 1: Horse and seeing them pull the horse up using the
Speaker 1: logs and stuff like that. Them being you know, chostled
Speaker 1: and pushed around. You know, it's hot, you know, it's sweaty.
Speaker 2: Stay quiet. Yeah, they poking the horse. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 1: Stand it up, and then they just take over the
Speaker 1: whole city. Now this was intense. The bridge, I mean,
Speaker 1: the opening door, the gate man, the music, with the
Speaker 1: with the with the drums.
Speaker 2: So how does that So they inside the horse, they
Speaker 2: penetrate the walls, they get out, they overtake the guards
Speaker 2: to open the door for the rest of the troops.
Speaker 2: How did they get word to the rest of the troops.
Speaker 2: He dropped the fire over the Yeah, over the wall.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking that maybe because they knew the plan,
Speaker 1: so maybe they would kind of get close enough to
Speaker 1: look for the signel uh and just waiting.
Speaker 2: If the signal didn't happen, then they'll just go back
Speaker 2: to where they were.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when the motherfucker's finally open and this motherfucker
Speaker 1: uh Agame.
Speaker 2: Walks with that hand on with the helmet and ship on.
Speaker 4: Yeah like that, he was just standing there in the middle.
Speaker 2: I wish we would have seen him do some ship though.
Speaker 2: Was he supposed to be like a bad Yeah, but
Speaker 2: we ain't really see him fire all that much. I
Speaker 2: think he was the king of his his uh, his
Speaker 2: podcast Odysseus.
Speaker 1: Was, yeah, it's farta but anyway, uh so yeah, so
Speaker 1: as telling Marks about to dip, you know, uh, the
Speaker 1: punisher kind of leaves the line. He says a line
Speaker 1: of you know, what kind of you know? He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: your dad maybe in prison or something like that. He
Speaker 1: was like, what kind of prison can hold a man
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: M hm? A woman? A woman? Right, ship, And that's
Speaker 2: exactly what happened, And that's what happened with him.
Speaker 1: So he stuck on this damn island and then we
Speaker 1: see the third island. This was changed from the books. Spike,
Speaker 1: what the hell was wrong with that kid? And when
Speaker 1: if that kid started doing that ship? Would you have
Speaker 1: just turned around the left? I would have left immediately.
Speaker 1: One time, a little badass kid just first was just
Speaker 1: staring at him, Go getting out of here. This little
Speaker 1: demon ain't no telling what he got going on. I
Speaker 1: can't say the name of the Lastronians or something like that.
Speaker 2: Biking Mike, they came up. They didn't say ship. I
Speaker 2: was like, boy, these nicks got bad. Luck. Boy just
Speaker 2: started killing and moving good.
Speaker 1: Dang, oh Dseus again Rod, there wasn't he followed again.
Speaker 2: He was followed Lamb. He didn't follow the kid was there.
Speaker 2: He didn't follow the kid. But also I think they
Speaker 2: you know, uh yeah, because he didn't get them. Spike.
Speaker 1: Remember when they left the cyclops, he was like, no,
Speaker 1: we should just go home, and you're reckless, that's what
Speaker 1: you was saying, like, no, we're not, We're gonna go
Speaker 1: this other way. And then they get to this island
Speaker 1: and then that's because they starting to run low on
Speaker 1: food and they.
Speaker 2: Were like, oh, sh your lucky bastard.
Speaker 1: And he go to this is this big ass fucking
Speaker 1: kid sitting there laughing and ship and giggling at that.
Speaker 2: You see a kid fucking giggling for no reason. Bro,
Speaker 2: that kid, it's time to go. Something wrong with this.
Speaker 2: His hand's probably crazy too, exactly, and they were so
Speaker 2: all of that plays into now hearing y'all say anything,
Speaker 2: So that plays in that he really didn't want to
Speaker 2: go home. Otherwise he would have just took it. But
Speaker 2: that's what they were kind of saying. He would have
Speaker 2: just took the right fucking route. In the beginning, he
Speaker 2: didn't want at home. Untince he didn't want to go home,
Speaker 2: he ran intoll his bullshit. He was lying to himself.
Speaker 1: And remember he already pissed off beside and beside and
Speaker 1: pissed off. So and since he's the guy of the sea,
Speaker 1: he can send him wherever the fuck you want him
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: He was like, all right, you blind my kid, take
Speaker 2: your ass over there. He's giants. And see what happened.
Speaker 2: That ship was motherfuckers right there. He locked the motherfuckers in.
Speaker 2: That ship was shot great too, It was.
Speaker 3: It was the first thing was like the trees moving,
Speaker 3: the mothers moving the trees, and she's like, bro, you
Speaker 3: all need to go.
Speaker 2: They're just standing there. What's that they the parents? You
Speaker 2: got pas, Yes, let's go out of here. Return to
Speaker 2: the ship. Let me tell you, big mother hauling ass
Speaker 2: one on the he had to be black. I think they.
Speaker 1: I think they had some black people for this. Just
Speaker 1: shot it from afar. They were hauling armor on. I was,
Speaker 1: you're right, rock heavy.
Speaker 2: Ass armor and was running on their ass. Man they were.
Speaker 2: Because that's what I was thinking. I was like, with
Speaker 2: the one advantage they got because they smaller, they should
Speaker 2: be able to run for him long. They was right
Speaker 2: on their ass. They were.
Speaker 3: I thought they all moved slow. But then you start
Speaker 3: seeing something like chopping. I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the one you try to fight back.
Speaker 4: I was like, stupid, that's all he got was that
Speaker 4: one team that motherfucker like d C he said the
Speaker 4: arrows and was shooting them or whatever too long, stupid ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, that was this ship man.
Speaker 1: And I felt like, this is, honestly is the theme
Speaker 1: of the fucking movie. They go to an island, they
Speaker 1: run the ass off.
Speaker 2: Yeah time, bro, That's that's how conversation should have worked.
Speaker 2: Facts them mother ship.
Speaker 1: I don't think they stills yet, but they fucked up
Speaker 1: all the ships and ship like that.
Speaker 2: That was funny. I'm sorry. Was like when that mother
Speaker 2: doing the death Yeah, that was crazy. So now you've
Speaker 2: got in the one ship from three because you're stupid.
Speaker 1: And then the books, so this was a deviation from
Speaker 1: the books as well. But in the books, these same
Speaker 1: giants destroyed like eleven of the twelve ships. Of course,
Speaker 1: in this when there was two of the three that
Speaker 1: were left, so that's all they left.
Speaker 2: Was just yeah, that was that was able. That was
Speaker 2: better to depind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for the movie, so just for people listening,
Speaker 1: but uh so yeah, so.
Speaker 2: But Mike his boy Ulus is like, hey man, I
Speaker 2: like the ride off they was over His was like, look,
Speaker 2: every decision you make is trash. Dog him in the
Speaker 2: back of the b when you yelling at me talking
Speaker 2: about roe bitch, we wouldn't be here with your stupid ass.
Speaker 2: Was over his ship. Man.
Speaker 4: It was like him off the end. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: landing party was like tomorrow. But he knew they were
Speaker 4: talking about. He wanted to do a landing party.
Speaker 2: He just went to just say just to see what
Speaker 2: they was. He did out of him. Oh my god. Bro.
Speaker 2: He was like, man, we need to go home because
Speaker 2: he was like, yo, were selling around on this. He
Speaker 2: he was like, bro, what no guy was like, what
Speaker 2: have they got ships? He was like, man, we.
Speaker 1: Got no food for a black Cross. We gotta go
Speaker 1: up here. And that's when we get to the lines.
Speaker 1: Tackers embarrassed. But when he got his ans on that
Speaker 1: damn ship. They were like hey man, they were like, look.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go and they said it's a mute and
Speaker 2: you don't gotta be right do it you wanted to
Speaker 2: be you look at it is what you wanted to be.
Speaker 2: Dog man.
Speaker 1: He was like, all right, cool, just give me the ball,
Speaker 1: I'll go find some food, and he plucked his ball.
Speaker 2: At this time he killed the white man. That's when
Speaker 2: he really got cursed. You can't you can't go out
Speaker 2: just be killing white folks like.
Speaker 4: You saw how it did ice. You can't be out
Speaker 4: here just killing white people.
Speaker 2: Oh ship, I just put into or two together that
Speaker 2: the deer turned into the white man.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you thought he missed a random Askody, what the.
Speaker 2: Random ass white dude doing out here? And why? And
Speaker 2: why do you have a revelation? What I was sitting
Speaker 2: there wondering, like, how does NI just have a revelation
Speaker 2: out of a sudden? What happened to the deer? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I respect that you're honest about this ship.
Speaker 4: So even after the ship they would turning ship, you
Speaker 4: still put that together that every animal on that was
Speaker 4: probably a human.
Speaker 2: Now I did it. But she started they eating the
Speaker 2: stew and she was talking to him. It goes back
Speaker 2: to to thees and bears and ship. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't even put it together. Just that was the only
Speaker 2: one that wanted to want to. I must have blinked
Speaker 2: some because I was like, what the white man comes?
Speaker 2: He just laying the woodlation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, did you like this though, because this was
Speaker 1: this witch and all the ship.
Speaker 4: I like the witch aspect you like with Alpha and
Speaker 4: I like turning them into pigs. But I did not
Speaker 4: like was this made me feel like they deserve of
Speaker 4: this is because they stupid too. You walking up this
Speaker 4: fucking pathway and you see a fucking tiger. That should
Speaker 4: have be like, oh no, I'm good, let's go. You
Speaker 4: walk by the tiger.
Speaker 2: Cool. Not only that, then you see a lion and
Speaker 2: you're still walking. Do you see a panther? Then you
Speaker 2: see a panther going the right way. Yeah, that was definitely.
Speaker 2: That was definitely a brother. Even after all that, they
Speaker 2: get to the crib and she say take your armor
Speaker 2: and weapons to the back, and you see all this
Speaker 2: old ass arm and you still I don't give that
Speaker 2: much in the world. It is.
Speaker 4: No, there's not not God out of here because I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go outside.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's armor out here, obviously somebody been here, somebody.
Speaker 2: But if you're starving, though, like, I.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, but you're lying. But yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: but now I'm with you, right like, but I don't
Speaker 1: I would have waited. I would have let at first,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that now as a desert like hungry,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, they should have killed the tiger, Like
Speaker 1: all right, we got some meat, let's go.
Speaker 2: But you walk right by it.
Speaker 1: Why had one guy to walked back? He turned back around,
Speaker 1: he had his hand on his strap.
Speaker 4: I wish a motherfucker would turn me into a goddamn pig. No,
Speaker 4: this this part was dope though, like the way she
Speaker 4: was construct.
Speaker 2: Like they had to be c g.
Speaker 4: I true, no, i'mon't even make a joke. I was like,
Speaker 4: that's not that didn't look practical. If it was, they
Speaker 4: did a fucking amazing job. But that whole that whole
Speaker 4: sequence was was dope because I was like, why is
Speaker 4: she turning him into ugly people? But yeah, the pig
Speaker 4: thing was very.
Speaker 1: Very very because she was basically again being a terrible leader,
Speaker 1: calling him out for ignoring the things that they did
Speaker 1: and that I believe took place on the first island
Speaker 1: they went to that they pillaged, and I think it
Speaker 1: probably took place in the city of Troy too.
Speaker 2: We didn't see it.
Speaker 1: He didn't show it to us, but I think she
Speaker 1: was telling her because they were the se people at
Speaker 1: the end, she was telling us that the horrors that
Speaker 1: these men were doing right, and he was trying to
Speaker 1: deny and she was like, nah, this is what they are.
Speaker 2: They're animals. Yeah. So yeah, so that part was cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I liked the conversation when they had when he
Speaker 2: came back, when he finally got them to turn back
Speaker 2: from pigs. I like how clever both of them were
Speaker 2: being with each other and talking like in riddles and
Speaker 2: ship like that. That was pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was funny when he was like, you ain't gonna
Speaker 4: change your sister back and she's like, na, we get
Speaker 4: a long better this way.
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel that.
Speaker 4: Did y'all realize he had held it?
Speaker 2: Took me a minute. He had a sister, that's why
Speaker 2: she saw it, showed him do that, but they didn't
Speaker 2: really show it, show it. We knew the bird was
Speaker 2: right there and he went like this, what did y'all
Speaker 2: think he was doing? Reaching? I was like, oh wait
Speaker 2: a minute, wait, yeah I did. We grabbed him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I thought it was an interesting thing
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: They didn't show him. I'm I an't notice it off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we already talked about tennis and Sita story. But
Speaker 1: I also thought it was funny when they ran back
Speaker 1: to the ship right and running from the giants when
Speaker 1: a thing that was looking at his like yep yo.
Speaker 1: It was so funny because when he got on the ship,
Speaker 1: even before she did it, I was shaking hands like
Speaker 1: this motherfucker.
Speaker 4: B Yeah, did y'all think he was a bad leader
Speaker 4: at that moment when he got she got him to
Speaker 4: change him back?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Why because they wouldn't be any in any of this
Speaker 4: mess had it not been for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is trash.
Speaker 4: He's trash, and and especially when we get to the end,
Speaker 4: which we'll get to, then we realize all this ship
Speaker 4: is your fault. Everything that happened here is your fucking
Speaker 4: fault because you're trash.
Speaker 2: But he's the leader.
Speaker 4: So somebody, somebody's gonna take the blame, especially the guy
Speaker 4: that sucked everything up.
Speaker 2: But I mean they got it's some accountability on the
Speaker 2: end too. How you victim blaming?
Speaker 1: Now, there's chain and command you have to especially in
Speaker 1: the military. But at that point they didn't.
Speaker 2: Know they it was a munity. He said, is this immunity?
Speaker 2: They said it wasn't a mutiny, but it was. But
Speaker 2: that was when they realized, oh, this is trash. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: They were following every other decision he made because he
Speaker 4: was the leader.
Speaker 2: But then they're like, wait a minute.
Speaker 4: Everything he was trash. I think they I just think
Speaker 4: they were cured. I think if it wasn't for the curse.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, So I was just gonna keep coming back
Speaker 4: to that point.
Speaker 2: Huh. That's what happened about the movie because I think
Speaker 2: I think he could have got them back successfully if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the curse.
Speaker 4: No, he was good in some way, shape or formed.
Speaker 4: Something would have would have happened. Because he didn't want
Speaker 4: to go home, So he would have kept making every
Speaker 4: excuse not to get home. Why didn't he Oh he
Speaker 4: didn't want to go home because he said that she
Speaker 4: should find another.
Speaker 2: Well, he knew.
Speaker 4: I don't think he wanted to go home because he
Speaker 4: realized he had broke Zeus's law. He realized that from
Speaker 4: the beginning his plan was trash.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, when they got to the water and they realized, oh,
Speaker 4: let's just build a trojan horse and pretend that we're
Speaker 4: gonna go be in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he defied the gods and that was false pretenses
Speaker 1: that was trash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was. Everything bad happened after that was because of.
Speaker 1: And even here in this conversation with al Or Circe,
Speaker 1: you know, he was she was telling him about defining
Speaker 1: gods and he said it again. He's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to defy the gods then, because she was like,
Speaker 1: you're the only one that's gonna make it back yep,
Speaker 1: all your man gonna die.
Speaker 2: Keep it up. Yeah, No, I just thought it was
Speaker 2: funny how he was trying to come up with different ways.
Speaker 2: She said you're gonna die, and he was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'll do this and was going to die. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was trashed because he was an atheist.
Speaker 4: He wasn't an atheist. He believed in jeus is laws
Speaker 4: until he broke it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, she told him to go holler that
Speaker 1: blond Trius, which sounded like a black name. That's when
Speaker 1: we get the story about uh Synon and antitious and
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Agamannon gave him some game.
Speaker 1: He said, look, don't go back and there when you
Speaker 1: get home, don't walk your ass in there.
Speaker 2: Like you're steal the ship.
Speaker 1: He said, you need to you know, survey, get a
Speaker 1: lead on hand or whatever, and uh. And he also,
Speaker 1: you know, basically told him how where he needed to
Speaker 1: go with the sun guys and ship like that. So
Speaker 1: he was basically saying that, yeah, you need to h well,
Speaker 1: we'll get to get to that part.
Speaker 2: But tell him about the whirlpool too, didn't he? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'll get to that. So, yes, we ain't gonna
Speaker 2: go over that.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah we get We also go back to
Speaker 1: Penny and Antonius made us move on Penelope. Rob How
Speaker 1: bad did he fumble the bag here? Because he damn
Speaker 1: near had who made us?
Speaker 3: How did he fumble the bag? I forgot what he
Speaker 3: did to drop the ball for this?
Speaker 2: Huh? Yeah he was, he was. He told her that
Speaker 2: she asked about what would happened with her son, and
Speaker 2: he was like, I mean, he'll be whatever until we
Speaker 2: make another one. We make another one, and hell, why
Speaker 2: did you say that. You didn't even have to say that.
Speaker 2: I ain't catch it out. Yeah, it's like you didn't
Speaker 2: even have to Yeah.
Speaker 1: So after that he was mad. So he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna kill this motherfucker. And we learned
Speaker 1: that you can't kill rich people. You'll be outside and
Speaker 1: you have to convince them. To leave, so then we
Speaker 1: get back to Blind Terrors again. And that spike when
Speaker 1: he told him, he said, you know, you got to
Speaker 1: drive out the series, you know, bust the right of
Speaker 1: the mountains, you land at the sun.
Speaker 2: God is that.
Speaker 1: But if you go left is a rap because the
Speaker 1: whirlpool there all y'all motherfuckers will die. But if you
Speaker 1: go to the right, you know only since you'll die.
Speaker 1: The rock creatures a eatle. And he had to trick
Speaker 1: them into doing that rod instead of giving them free will,
Speaker 1: because all he had to do was say, hey, look
Speaker 1: y'all see that whirlpool. If we go there, it's a rap.
Speaker 1: We need to go this way. But some of y'all
Speaker 1: ain't gonna make it.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like, oh my god, everybody dies, y'all.
Speaker 2: But that's the point he did, right y'all was already
Speaker 2: like skeptical of anyway. Now you're gonna look at it.
Speaker 2: If I just tell y'all go through the rock ship man,
Speaker 2: six people gonna die, y'all think y'all gonna put it on.
Speaker 2: And then when it happens, y'all go like, okay, we
Speaker 2: respect you. Dog. At least you said something. I know
Speaker 2: this was gonna happen. Bro, damn well, he could have crazy.
Speaker 2: He could. He was like, yeah, if I win, you
Speaker 2: ain't gonna man on me. How I supposed to put
Speaker 2: the god. But look, here's the thing. He gave them
Speaker 2: free will. Did he an't go straight? No? No, no,
Speaker 2: no no no.
Speaker 1: When they got to this damn sun God island because
Speaker 1: remember you Rickolas cussed them out and it was like,
Speaker 1: you didn't give us a choice, he was like, all right, fine,
Speaker 1: we go to this island.
Speaker 2: Y'all eat them the cattle. He got through the sirens
Speaker 2: to see you're trying. That was good, the sirens that
Speaker 2: he that he was a good lady.
Speaker 4: He's like, look, y'all put this wax in, y'all ears,
Speaker 4: and I'll be the one that justby the one that
Speaker 4: have to go through the agony.
Speaker 2: That was still dumb as fuck. Everybody like, I want
Speaker 2: to hear the song. No, he didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: He did. I thought he had to hear the man
Speaker 2: me up so I can hear the sound. He said,
Speaker 2: I want to hear this ship. I was like, what
Speaker 2: is wrong with this guy? Why is he tried? And
Speaker 2: that one guy he probably didn't put enough of his
Speaker 2: ear now he took his out. He did. He was
Speaker 2: up and Odsseus was like, oh ship, oh oh no.
Speaker 2: He was like, I want to come to let me
Speaker 2: see what this is about. He looked over them damn
Speaker 2: naked woman on them rocks. The mermaids was.
Speaker 4: Up in a long time. He said, you know what,
Speaker 4: fuck it, I'm gonna jump off this boat twenty years
Speaker 4: a long time with no ass like I'm jumping off
Speaker 4: the boat too.
Speaker 2: Fuck it.
Speaker 4: Bury me with my people in the sea.
Speaker 2: Saying that what.
Speaker 4: They say, everything everything you want to hear. I was like,
Speaker 4: ship boy, fuck this rowing ship.
Speaker 2: I'm going yo, that's what. So yeah, he was about
Speaker 2: to skip that point. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forget
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah. That was another challenge on that rock.
Speaker 2: She that came and got him. That that was crazy.
Speaker 2: He said his ass way back in the back of
Speaker 2: the shop was coming. Since you knew, he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: did it, But I knew it wasn't gonna get me.
Speaker 2: I was safe, bro.
Speaker 4: I wonder how they did it right here when it
Speaker 4: wouldn't have got me. To put my foot in his mouth,
Speaker 4: he was fitting out so the whirlpools.
Speaker 2: It was probably c G I two. Then huh, because
Speaker 2: how would they do that? Because they said they shot
Speaker 2: it in the ocean. Actually they shot Yeah, they put
Speaker 2: a big fan at the bottom of the ocean and
Speaker 2: turned the fan for you, stupid. We made it. We
Speaker 2: made it. See But anyway, that was funny to me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I did laugh. Oh my god, we did
Speaker 2: it and said no, you didn't. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: y'all can't win.
Speaker 3: I thought they were defined in that moment. I thought
Speaker 3: they were trying to go around the world. But they
Speaker 3: did defire.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so he didn't tell them to go that way.
Speaker 2: He didn't tell him the truth. He knew they would
Speaker 2: go that way versus listening to him because.
Speaker 1: They were already defied him. He knew they weren't listening
Speaker 1: to him anymore. So he's just gonna tell him the
Speaker 1: opposite of what he wanted. Except when they go into
Speaker 1: that damn island and he said, y'all. First of all,
Speaker 1: Athena Ass came up snitching.
Speaker 2: She popped up on that. He was like, you know,
Speaker 2: they having a cookout and they even good trying to
Speaker 2: sneak into it. Say he none, neither, bro. They all
Speaker 2: the damn they.
Speaker 1: Knew he wasn'tna eat what dude say when he found them,
Speaker 1: he said, you think you're gonna equirt?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. Yep, was like, look, bro, so what
Speaker 2: do you saying? I remember? He responded, we'll rather drow.
Speaker 2: We're rather drown.
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, fucking and so because he
Speaker 3: sent that wind, he said, I told you he said something.
Speaker 3: He was walking away too, He said something to him
Speaker 3: when he was walking on.
Speaker 2: He said this, he is you trash, but man like
Speaker 2: them mufflers are hungry, bro, because their provisions ran out.
Speaker 2: And man, what things like you just learned from eating facts,
Speaker 2: learned from one. And he told you, yeah and anything
Speaker 2: with this, you can eat everything but the cattle. That's
Speaker 2: the part that irritated me. I was like, y'all deserve this.
Speaker 2: It's like they ran out. They I think they did.
Speaker 1: They say they were running out that damn they were hungry.
Speaker 1: Them damn cows kept walking around, shaking their ass right
Speaker 1: in front, and.
Speaker 2: It was like, get out of here, get out here.
Speaker 2: They got there. It's trill. You just stopped playing ship.
Speaker 2: Get on. You know I can't touch cows like I
Speaker 2: bet you want. I know you want some of them
Speaker 2: you can't have it. It was mad as hell too.
Speaker 2: They all over theres cows they were they were but anyway,
Speaker 2: so yeah, so they all died and you. Rickolus was like,
Speaker 2: he was like, damn, bro man, hey man, take a break.
Speaker 2: You've been cursed too. No, but damn, but this part
Speaker 2: in forty X was crazy. Oh yeah they had you.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, what did you? What did they do to you?
Speaker 2: When the sirens was talking? You got you got something
Speaker 2: with them?
Speaker 4: This is gout did they had that feature that might
Speaker 4: be five to ye but the ship wreck the ship
Speaker 4: wreck was craze. The ship wreck was crazy.
Speaker 2: This scene was crazy. Yeaheah no, this was This was
Speaker 2: a good than forty X. This was good. Yeah yo.
Speaker 1: But my thing is because because your reulars was like
Speaker 1: he was like, pray to Posada to ask for forgiveness,
Speaker 1: tell him you're sorry, do something, do anything right. It
Speaker 1: ain't see what you do nothing, But I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: It was like I didn't eat the told you. I
Speaker 1: told y'all not to eat that damn cow y'all did anyway.
Speaker 2: And we just we skipped the Hades moment too. The
Speaker 2: Hades moment was dope. When they were eating the blood
Speaker 2: and ship this no, because they're the ones that told them.
Speaker 2: They told him to what was gonna happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, blood was blind to curious, but ship even on
Speaker 1: this motherfucker like they were running from this island because
Speaker 1: start coming from he.
Speaker 2: Like run, I'd be like, man, I'm sick of you.
Speaker 2: Is this what they said? Back to the ship? I
Speaker 2: mean may they said, said multiple times, said a lot.
Speaker 2: He said, what's that?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 2: Soldiers? Everywhere? You bring us in some bullshit every damn time,
Speaker 2: every fucking time, and some bullshit they said, if you
Speaker 2: go to Hades and you normally don't make it out
Speaker 2: of there, why did they go there again? Because because
Speaker 2: that's what I tell them, the route to go there,
Speaker 2: and he'll tell you because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he didn't. He didn't have the shipping routes.
Speaker 1: That's what we asking, like, seriously, how do we get
Speaker 1: back home? I don't know what the shipping routes?
Speaker 2: Bro So, and that's when we found out where do
Speaker 2: with the dope? Helmet died? He died. That's where we
Speaker 2: found that out. How did he?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: When yeah, she styled him that ship. That was the
Speaker 2: dopest scene.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we're pretty much at the end. So he
Speaker 1: said a couple of lines I thought was dope. He said,
Speaker 1: no one is a beggar. No one is born a beggar.
Speaker 1: Because that's when he got back. He thought his boy
Speaker 1: mass was going to recognize him, but he.
Speaker 2: Didn't realize he was blind.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was like, man, he said, boy, it was like,
Speaker 2: but he didn't recognize him.
Speaker 1: That's after their police was going to meet him at
Speaker 1: the temples and they came to get pigs and stuff.
Speaker 2: From you know, the blond dude being as Yeah, they
Speaker 2: beat disassed this dog with the dogs. Man, they ain't
Speaker 2: kill the dog. Remember, oh we had he had to
Speaker 2: kill he had to kill the dog, right, remember the dog,
Speaker 2: just not that dog, the rest of his dog, the
Speaker 2: blonde you're right, you're right. Yeah. So but before oh
Speaker 2: ship damn. I skipped the part right, and she told
Speaker 2: him to help you, and she was telling him to
Speaker 2: he could asking one of my men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what that's the part I skipped because
Speaker 1: we went back to the island and at this point,
Speaker 1: you know, he has Calypso he said, hold, She's.
Speaker 2: Like, man, I've been giving you half years, like seven years.
Speaker 2: He was mad. He was mad, what.
Speaker 4: You've been You've been taking advantage of me for this
Speaker 4: crazy You've been happy, I've been breaking that.
Speaker 2: She didn't say, Man, we've been living a lot. He said,
Speaker 2: you love eating good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like seven years. What the But basically this is
Speaker 1: when you get baptized. Rod, And that's when he had
Speaker 1: to get in. And because he was building his raft,
Speaker 1: he was like, you keep building this raft and ship
Speaker 1: like that. But she she she had him one more
Speaker 1: time though, Spike. She was like, here, take a little
Speaker 1: bit of his flower and we're gonna talk about it
Speaker 1: in the morning. But all the men got got because
Speaker 1: what's what's the what's the what's the saying? What's the
Speaker 1: easy way to a man's is the belly? All the
Speaker 1: motherfuckers got got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they say. That ship, Sircey, the Lotus flower,
Speaker 2: all this ship.
Speaker 4: So anyway, so yeah, so he getting on a little raft,
Speaker 4: the raft fall apart, get baptized.
Speaker 2: He back on home. Mike Rod, how foul?
Speaker 1: Well, maybe I should ask you, Rod, how foul was
Speaker 1: it for Odysseus to now accept.
Speaker 2: That the gods are real and begged for via this
Speaker 2: from Posadon? After all his men are dead. I guess
Speaker 2: this ship is.
Speaker 4: Hey man, some time to take the ultimate convincing, like
Speaker 4: you know what, something really traumatic happens.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, I get it now. Mm hmm. That's
Speaker 2: you know, he's a slow learner and he's a trash leader. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it now. Did you guys like the temple
Speaker 2: scene when he went to help his son. That was good.
Speaker 2: See that started that. This started the best part of
Speaker 2: the movie for me. From there on out, I feel
Speaker 2: like all of that was the best.
Speaker 3: At what point did they show him going back to Troy,
Speaker 3: like the actual what he did in Troy?
Speaker 2: What point did they show that? Which pretty horse when
Speaker 2: he was talking to his wife. He was talking to
Speaker 2: his wife and he realized that he was the c people.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he hadn't got there yet. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he went back. Yeah, he went back. He and
Speaker 1: uh A Mayas told him that they were gonna kill
Speaker 1: Tea and that's when he walked out. He was like,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: bring vengeance, he said, bring it all. Uh And then
Speaker 1: that's when he went there and that guy was talking.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, look man, I'm giving you a
Speaker 1: chance to get up out of here. I already spare
Speaker 1: it one, old man, I ain't gonna spare another one.
Speaker 1: He ain't even let him finish the fucking sentence.
Speaker 2: Wait, what part is which is this? That's when he
Speaker 2: was talking to he killed the guy polished. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was the only one that laughed in the temple. I died. Bro.
Speaker 2: That was a hard ass move. Yeah, he can't fun
Speaker 2: with me, splitch.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, we need to better remember with honor.
Speaker 2: He was like, we're gonna honor him. I like him,
Speaker 2: Yeah for real, fire killed him. Take his ring.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so then you know, of course he went
Speaker 1: back like Akamemnon told him, you know, just go back
Speaker 1: as a beggar, which of course goes all the way
Speaker 1: back to the beginning because they allowed in the room.
Speaker 1: And uh he said, uh, the best way to see
Speaker 1: a man is from below. That was a line he
Speaker 1: said in the movie.
Speaker 2: Mike. Uh, I don't remember him saying that. What does
Speaker 2: that mean? He said, he going back as a big
Speaker 2: because the best made to see a man?
Speaker 4: Oh I see, yeah, yeah, literally, I just didn't he
Speaker 4: gotta be short, Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And he told he told t telling Marcus, he said,
Speaker 1: come back as a prince, and he did. He was
Speaker 1: strutting in there and then got his ass. Well, he
Speaker 1: was strutting in there, and Tenus was mad as hell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh right he said. He said, yeah, we got
Speaker 1: to kill him now, and this is the blackness came
Speaker 1: out the black.
Speaker 2: I was like, how right he came back. I'm not
Speaker 2: doing this with you here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you guys like this scene because it's
Speaker 1: the last, like the scene between Tellingmarcus and Penelope when
Speaker 1: he was basically telling her. He was like, look, because
Speaker 1: i ai Odisseus told him to tell your mom to
Speaker 1: take a husband, and that's what he did. And he
Speaker 1: got cussed out. Yea, she slapped the out of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was like something about all this ship you talking,
Speaker 1: don't mean ship with the bristles on your fucking.
Speaker 2: Chin, damn. And she said, I won't. I don't want
Speaker 2: a husband. I want Odysseus.
Speaker 1: And she got up and left and she was talking
Speaker 1: about have thrown a be empty for twenty years I've
Speaker 1: been running this, yeah, and only am coasent on, only
Speaker 1: Ama consent on throwing and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: She said, that's what she said. I would love to
Speaker 2: lock him in there and burn them all to hell.
Speaker 1: And uh, as she said also said that Audi would
Speaker 1: come back and kill them all if he saw him
Speaker 1: in there. And then we get the didennisty and he's
Speaker 1: walking around Gott in disguise.
Speaker 2: He's being mocked for being a veteran. Uh. He gives
Speaker 2: Anna his stick. Attenius had a shame. He was acting
Speaker 2: like it wasn't his.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then now we get the scene with Penny Penelope
Speaker 1: and Odyssey is talking rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was dope.
Speaker 3: I really liked the scene where it's executed. It just
Speaker 3: showed his uh, the moment of remorse of taking over
Speaker 3: the city, and I don't know, it just it just
Speaker 3: reminded me of like.
Speaker 4: Like like PTSD, like like when you feel like when
Speaker 4: you feel the certain type of way after after seeing death.
Speaker 3: Like you go to these countries, you bomb them. You
Speaker 3: you're killing these innocent people. And I thought I thought
Speaker 3: they intentionally showed like women and children, like I don't
Speaker 3: know if they sold children, but they definitely showed women
Speaker 3: just so you can get what they were trying to
Speaker 3: convey in this moment.
Speaker 2: Like yeah you okay, you hear Oh.
Speaker 4: They took over the city and d but you don't
Speaker 4: realize what they were doing or whatever. At first I
Speaker 4: thought this is why they were cursed or whatever. But nah,
Speaker 4: this is just his I think he was already feeling
Speaker 4: remorse from from that in this moment.
Speaker 2: Of like of what he had done with his plan,
Speaker 2: had had done.
Speaker 3: So when y'all say he was a trash leader, I
Speaker 3: think he felt bad in this moment as far as
Speaker 3: being a leader to the taking of this of this
Speaker 3: country or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: It took this motherfucker twenty years to realize he's trash. Trash.
Speaker 2: That's why he got baptized for his sins. Watched.
Speaker 4: It's been twenty years and you just now realizing that
Speaker 4: you're a trash azz leader.
Speaker 2: That did some trash azz shit. No, he did in
Speaker 2: that moment. This is twenty years later. I'm sorry. Well,
Speaker 2: he realized that.
Speaker 4: No, his thing was that he misused like this peace
Speaker 4: offerer in offering to get in right, So that was.
Speaker 1: He felt guilty about it, which is why he didn't
Speaker 1: want to go home. But it is guilt got everybody
Speaker 1: else killed. He could have just dealt with that himself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was selfish and he had to tell nobody.
Speaker 4: He could have kept that ship to himself. He did
Speaker 4: keep it to himself. But I'm saying he didn't have
Speaker 4: to go back, and like why he would feel guilty?
Speaker 4: But why would going home make him feel guilty unless
Speaker 4: he didn't tell any Like if he didn't tell anybody,
Speaker 4: then yeah, if he just went home and just didn't say, like,
Speaker 4: this is what I did. But I guess I guess
Speaker 4: the men would tell. Okay, I think I'm starting to
Speaker 4: put it together.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, they all would have done.
Speaker 1: This is also what Cerce was talking about too, because
Speaker 1: everything that they were doing at the village, killing in
Speaker 1: the right, that's what you also referring to him as
Speaker 1: as man. Maybe this scene more than the first island.
Speaker 1: But either way, I go, they did some fucked up
Speaker 1: ship and that's why she didn't. And it's also probably
Speaker 1: safe to assume that they probably people that came to
Speaker 1: the island and probably ravished her.
Speaker 2: Too, for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: And but either way, I go, Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: what they say, ron, ain't you know everybody get there
Speaker 1: when they you know, it just takes something long and
Speaker 1: the others took him.
Speaker 2: Twenty years y'all think she realized she was talking to
Speaker 2: her husband. No, I didn't think she did until y'all
Speaker 2: started saying when he started describing the pen, I gotta
Speaker 2: be him. But that was part of their kind of
Speaker 2: cold I think that's what I'm saying. That's why I
Speaker 2: think she knew it was him at that point.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because she's seen when they did the test,
Speaker 1: like surprised that that wasn't him.
Speaker 2: Maybe she wished. Maybe she because he did tell her
Speaker 2: she's that is alive. So at that point she knew
Speaker 2: at some point he probably he might come back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just not home. He said, he's alive. He's just
Speaker 2: not home.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think she knew it was him yet. I
Speaker 2: think she knew man. She started crying, balling like she
Speaker 2: knew that she agreed to live. Think about like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she was just happy, like to know that. Oh damn.
Speaker 2: So why would she have the thing where shes gonna
Speaker 2: take her husband finally if she finally find realized he
Speaker 2: was alive. I think that was a ploy because she
Speaker 2: was he might have actually been there, was on the
Speaker 2: or was on the way, and.
Speaker 1: She was going to do those challenges because he was
Speaker 1: the only one that could do the challenge. That's why
Speaker 1: she was gonna do challenges every night until he came back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you looking like that?
Speaker 4: Because y'all lost me completely because your phone you ain't
Speaker 4: talking you why you lost Wait?
Speaker 2: So, y'all, I don't know everything, but I'm trying to
Speaker 2: put it together now in this moment. So this doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4: So she thought he was in the room somewhere or
Speaker 4: would be coming. Why would she think that?
Speaker 2: Because I because said he was alive. That's all I
Speaker 2: was real to say.
Speaker 4: So wait, which one of which one of y'all was
Speaker 4: saying that she thought that that was him? You said that,
Speaker 4: and you don't think that she thought that was him? Okay,
Speaker 4: So she just heard from this stranger guy is still alive,
Speaker 4: so he must be on his way. So let me
Speaker 4: go ahead and do this challenge. Hopefully he'll be here
Speaker 4: by tomorrow or at some point. At some point, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna keep doing these challenges until he because she knew
Speaker 4: nobody else could do it.
Speaker 2: Yes, got right? Yeah, Yeah, okay, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: That's why when it when nobody stepped up, she was
Speaker 3: disappointed until he finally stepped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even when he grabbed it and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff and she started to get hold. I think she
Speaker 1: started well up a little bit when she realized it
Speaker 1: wasn't him, and then she started to walk away and she.
Speaker 2: Was heard that ship. That ship was lected.
Speaker 4: Like the part before that, when uh, she told Peter
Speaker 4: Parker that he was gonna have to kill everybody in there.
Speaker 4: This black woman behind me said that's right. So that
Speaker 4: was one and I was like, all right, nobody else
Speaker 4: has spoken this whole movie, so I'll take that. That
Speaker 4: was actually funny. But then when he did the boom.
Speaker 2: She goes, let's fucking go. I was in real tears
Speaker 2: in this theater. It was applaud in theater. It was
Speaker 2: definitely noise being made. Everybody was hype. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: saying that was that was definitely clapping in mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a talker, But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: my fault because when they were running from the from
Speaker 1: the giants, I started laughing. I was laughing loud, and
Speaker 1: the lady next to me, we were kind of sharing
Speaker 1: the moments. We were laughing, and she talked the rest
Speaker 1: of the movies.
Speaker 2: I guess she thought, Yeah, I guess. Yeah. She was
Speaker 2: saying stuff the whole movie.
Speaker 4: Everyone was dead silent. Yeah, they're just that. It's been
Speaker 4: a while since I've been to a movie like that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, when she said let's go, that's exactly to
Speaker 4: the tea what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Man, let's fucking go, let's go in this scene, or
Speaker 2: let's go I want to get the fun out of here. Both.
Speaker 4: But no, no, no, the last part of the movie
Speaker 4: was actually the good part. And when he hit that
Speaker 4: boom part, I was like, Okay, let's go. He led
Speaker 4: fucking go, and he took everybody as the mother fucking
Speaker 4: had fucking arrows like fucking Hawkeye.
Speaker 2: She just kept coming along with you. You know why
Speaker 2: am do with the chains on his feet annoyed me.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not his fault.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's t fault telling Marcus because he
Speaker 1: couldn't beat him that sorry as hell.
Speaker 2: Oh it was so mad.
Speaker 4: Goddamn, he just kept doing irritated this ship out of
Speaker 4: there he's doing.
Speaker 2: You mans were not even going up there. Don't give
Speaker 2: him ever. Get the shields, get the shields over there.
Speaker 2: Nobody fighting, everybody fighting himself. That he's smart. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was smart. He's funny that he when he realized it
Speaker 2: was it was odious. He started. He started while he
Speaker 2: out here.
Speaker 4: And me and golf characters. You was like, now you're
Speaker 4: below down there with him. I wonder what happened to her?
Speaker 2: Did she get cute? We never saw that. We didn't
Speaker 2: see her again after that. She was just but we
Speaker 2: didn't see him kill her. They played, uh today, I
Speaker 2: think they played golf. Oh yeah, yeah. I don't think
Speaker 2: she needed to be in this either. She did. They
Speaker 2: could have used anybody for that, you know, they want
Speaker 2: to use her name.
Speaker 1: Bro was like if somebody called christ Manolan calling you,
Speaker 1: because it was some like little spare off characters I
Speaker 1: have seen in big movies with big roles.
Speaker 2: They was just like randomness. Hell in here, some on
Speaker 2: the boat, some of the soldiers. But nah, this this
Speaker 2: this whole last scene he was he was hitting people
Speaker 2: with the bowl. He was fucking people up.
Speaker 1: He was picking the ship up from the ground and
Speaker 1: stringing like helicopter man. And he was when he got
Speaker 1: hit from behind on that table and he was on
Speaker 1: the ground and they were kicking the ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was stabbing mouckers and the toes bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that ship was dope. And then he was
Speaker 1: all fucked up. He was like, man, you can't beat
Speaker 1: us because he was around. He was like, you can't
Speaker 1: beat us all. And that's when he threw the knife down.
Speaker 1: He started people on some more. He was like, as
Speaker 1: long as I kill you, he got that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Bro. Someone started kneeling and that was that was dope
Speaker 2: because they said it would happen like that. He was like,
Speaker 2: people don't stand everything that happened in the movie they
Speaker 2: told was going to happen, and that ship happened. They
Speaker 2: tell him his son was sorry as hell. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even feel comfortable. Even my son there charge like no
Speaker 2: oneer the fucking rooms like this nobody. She ain't got
Speaker 2: no pull Jesus whole ass. He was terrible. They're definitely
Speaker 2: gonna come back and take the That's why they left him.
Speaker 2: He did. He was like, bro, this is not my son.
Speaker 2: I don't kill thirty eight people. You couldn't take out
Speaker 2: one one, just one dude. He got stabbed. He actually
Speaker 2: to stop stop what he tried to help. He didn't
Speaker 2: kill one guy who knew he wouldn't, but it took
Speaker 2: too damn long. Yeah, he knew he was gonna die,
Speaker 2: like yeah, Jesus Christ. He was sorry to be done
Speaker 2: in a minute. Man, just over there, that guy with
Speaker 2: the bells tossed him over the damnable. I hollered at
Speaker 2: I'm glad you reminded that ship was funny. I didn't
Speaker 2: have to doing. He threw him over the table. That
Speaker 2: looked real. I don't think they had a fucking stunt
Speaker 2: double or nothing. That holler. He was so mad, you
Speaker 2: gotta be just threw a pot in the back. You
Speaker 2: you motherfucker? You like that, Piet? What the fuck? Oh?
Speaker 2: That ship was so fucking Tom Holland got tossed, his
Speaker 2: little skirt came up and everything. Oh it was so funny.
Speaker 2: Did y'all think he was dead? No? No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Actually maybe I was like half and half. It was
Speaker 2: like half and half.
Speaker 1: I did for a second because I was like, oh, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: this was he But Shakespeare normally does the tragic endings.
Speaker 2: But they fucked people up in Greek stories too. But
Speaker 2: he ain't done the book, did he think so? I
Speaker 2: don't think they would have stayed away from it that much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to remember this is the
Speaker 2: second part of a three part series. What I'm gonna
Speaker 2: asking you said there was one book and then there's
Speaker 2: the Odyssey, and then there's another part or it's the
Speaker 2: last one. I think it's I think Troy is a
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Troy is after this, Troy is where the horse was.
Speaker 4: I think this is part of the story, part of this.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a third part. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't think that's Achilles and uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get now if they may go around
Speaker 1: and tell that story, because that's the story that was
Speaker 1: kind of a minute they kind of mentioned them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, butch was dope. Yeah, yeah, but there's a movie
Speaker 2: about him, right, Yes, that's the Troy crab Pit. He
Speaker 2: plays Achilles.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't wait, but I like I like it either
Speaker 2: way though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, so but I think when I when
Speaker 1: he was walking off, I didn't know it was at South,
Speaker 1: But when he was walking off, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they trying to trick us, you know, And then they
Speaker 1: showed us, yeah, not death at South and then they
Speaker 1: got they were chasing the escaping son.
Speaker 2: Stupid. They talked about it in the beginning, so they
Speaker 2: brought all this ship back. So again, what they said
Speaker 2: they were gonna do, They told everything else gonna happen
Speaker 2: like this moment. No, I think he left his sons,
Speaker 2: and so I thought it was that. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I liked it. I like it was a good ending.
Speaker 2: He doesn't get No, I like the last part. I
Speaker 2: didn't really like the ending. I was just like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I didn't hate the ending.
Speaker 4: It was fine, but it was more so just like, bro,
Speaker 4: you you're leaving the worst person in this movie in
Speaker 4: charge of the kingdom.
Speaker 2: They know this is around the can come back.
Speaker 4: No, he has asked left. They know he got on
Speaker 4: a boat. This when we're gonna come take this motherfucker.
Speaker 4: That was dumb as hell because Peter Parker can't hold ship.
Speaker 1: He spoke Holly of his So remember the doll scene.
Speaker 1: I skipped over that when he walked up and the
Speaker 1: doll died when he was on came so sad that
Speaker 1: that's when the son found out. That's when the son
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Ship, that's my daddy. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know your dad will be your
Speaker 1: dad will be proud of you.
Speaker 2: He came back and saw that motherfucker. Was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not claiming this. I'm not claiming this. Dude he
Speaker 2: over here, fucking what the hell he can't control ship.
Speaker 4: Damn, Mike, you might be right because he did see
Speaker 4: his son fight when he went to save his son,
Speaker 4: when he went into the temple like brou It was
Speaker 4: at that moment he knew. He was like, my son, bro,
Speaker 4: get your real, I'm getting your mama. We're getting out
Speaker 4: of here. We're gonna have another son.
Speaker 2: One time. You got for a mentor killed right damn?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He was getting handled by that one
Speaker 2: dude choked him up and everything. I was like.
Speaker 4: Odysseus was like, noah, man, I ain't got time for this.
Speaker 4: I done lost all my men and I came back
Speaker 4: to a whole ass son lost killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, it all, man. I it was a great movie.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. It was it was really good.
Speaker 2: I wasn't mad I watched it at all. I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like I wasted three hours and it was like okay, okay, cool, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't have any real issues with the movie, except
Speaker 4: for Dissys being trash and some of these casting choices,
Speaker 4: like I said, It was just it just got to
Speaker 4: a point where it was weird.
Speaker 2: It was like nobody on the crew was like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is not working. They were.
Speaker 1: He just didn't he didn't listen to Yeah, it's the captain.
Speaker 1: It's hard to They would have to do a real mutiny.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, sorry, no, I meant no.
Speaker 4: One in Christopher Nolan's crew was like, hey, man, John Burnhal,
Speaker 4: we all love him, but this is bad.
Speaker 2: This is not working. It was like a to It
Speaker 2: was like another movie. Yes, it was like a whole
Speaker 2: other movie. It was like a parody. Yeah, like some
Speaker 2: ship that you would see home. Yeah. People have been
Speaker 2: talking about Nolan like this solidifies him as the best
Speaker 2: of his generation. Do y'all think so?
Speaker 4: I think he's pretty damn good. If he can make
Speaker 4: this story for me be entertaining, then I give him
Speaker 4: the credit.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't. I don't think I was the hype
Speaker 2: for it, and I didn't think it was good. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: It surprised me. Yeah, I wasn't hype for this either,
Speaker 2: but I was just like, man, this is really good,
Speaker 2: and I respect that he he took the chance to
Speaker 2: do some DEEI hires.
Speaker 4: I think that that was actually pretty cool, especially when
Speaker 4: he knew how these dumb, fucking right wingers would act,
Speaker 4: you know, starting the movie off. Even though I did
Speaker 4: not like Travis Scott one bit in this film, I
Speaker 4: like the fact that he used him, you know, to
Speaker 4: start a movie off like this with a rapper, and
Speaker 4: then to put someone like John Burnhal in this, and
Speaker 4: then to make supposedly the most beautiful woman and the
Speaker 4: woman in the land Lapita and Nungo.
Speaker 2: I respect it. You can call it woke if you want.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 4: I think this was actually a pretty cool choice because
Speaker 4: the right wingers were furious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben Shapiro, I think I saw they were fucking hot.
Speaker 2: They were How dare you you don't care about Greek people.
Speaker 2: I don't care about Greek people, don't. I didn't even
Speaker 2: know it was a thing. It's gonna make you hate
Speaker 2: my my wife friend. You're still friends with that fool
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I was like, bro, I don't know
Speaker 2: nothing about this ship you're talking about it. As far
Speaker 2: as these people ain't supposed to be these people or
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, couldn't you be friends with somebody
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 4: He said, this is not onniggous. This is Odysseus getting
Speaker 4: nigger of Troy out of here.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I can't believe somebody really got that mad
Speaker 2: about something like this. They said was pitching. All of
Speaker 2: them was fucking pissed, like Bruy's fantasy well being.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think correct to Ben said the movie is
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. But he did have some thoughts on Lapita.
Speaker 2: But anyway, uh, everything they picked, that's crazy to pick
Speaker 2: that out. To me, what you called the move a masterpiece,
Speaker 2: but you want to nitpick that Lapido was supposed to best.
Speaker 2: He did say nick pick heard him.
Speaker 3: Anybody thought, it's not like you're about to say, Oh,
Speaker 3: y'all was gonna say it's in there, because it is.
Speaker 3: They put her in a prominent place too, But did
Speaker 3: y'all feel anywhere about that reveal that she was actually
Speaker 3: someone that died in the village He saw her beheaded.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think that that's actually was that actually true? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's it's kind of I thought d saw her
Speaker 2: face on. That's where the guilt came from. That's where
Speaker 2: part of the guilt came from. So that was aad. No, Jesus,
Speaker 2: I don't think that was the thing. So none of
Speaker 2: that was real, Like Athena was not coming to him
Speaker 2: and being like do this do this other ship wrinklers
Speaker 2: thought it was.
Speaker 1: He was like, when I hear your ass praying to
Speaker 1: Athena every fucking night, talk to me about fucking gods.
Speaker 4: But no, it was just his guilt because he that
Speaker 4: that did that made the movie bad. Not bad, but
Speaker 4: that took Lord. Yeah, that took something out because I
Speaker 4: thought that I thought.
Speaker 2: She was a Theena though. Is that not how Thina
Speaker 2: came to be? Maybe? Nah, because I wouldn't statue?
Speaker 1: Yeah, could they they use Athena's when they they used
Speaker 1: the statue's head? Of course obviously is her head, but
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be Athena.
Speaker 2: I get you, okay. I thought they were making when
Speaker 2: she come up in the image of her. Then you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like, where did he come up
Speaker 2: with the en? Like? Yeah, like what did he tie
Speaker 2: that to it?
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, like because they'ld both
Speaker 4: be headed. I guess right, That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: was it was it tied to her as Athena? Because
Speaker 4: I think she's labeled as Athena in the movie she is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but they're saying that that none of those scenes with
Speaker 4: Athena talking to him actually happened.
Speaker 2: They were just in his head, like both things could
Speaker 2: be true. Well, no, no, I think I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know now what was what was the Theeni's powers. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to look up good here, like Johnson, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think she was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the godless of wisdom, warfare, handicraft who protects
Speaker 1: him on the journey.
Speaker 2: Do your job too, Then.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're right, Rod, Maybe so on Wikipedia, saying
Speaker 1: that she also portrays young Trojan priests of Athena killed
Speaker 1: during this assaultrom Troy, whom Athena later takes the form of.
Speaker 2: So maybe it was the thing that she just took
Speaker 2: the form of her. So maybe that's that's said. I
Speaker 2: think both things are true.
Speaker 3: I think it was that villager, if whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call her. And then yeah, like Athena took the
Speaker 3: form of her. That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: Just to him though, just to him, she probably appears
Speaker 2: to somebody else, to something, you know, to someone else,
Speaker 2: got it, like God is black?
Speaker 4: That's what I thought they were doing. I thought they
Speaker 4: were like making a point of like whitewashing gods, but
Speaker 4: I guess not.
Speaker 2: That's not a big deal though.
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, all right, well, let us know what you
Speaker 1: guys think about the movie, and we'll catch you guys
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 2: We oft peace.