1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Java House Peel and poor 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: guest line. Of course, you read has worked with Fieldhouse 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: files and covering the Indiana Pacers. Scott Agnes joins Uscott. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: We will begin right with this, and that is Johnny Furfey. 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Now we are going to talk to Ralphreef coming up 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: in about an hour and get a better timeline on 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: things as to when Furfey might be able to get 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: back and get going. But this is somebody that to me, 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: you might look at it and say, yeah, he's our 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: eleventh guy. You never want to see anybody get injured. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: But this doesn't hurt Indiana too badly except for that 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: this was the golden opportunity to continue to develop, to 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: develop one of their key pieces in a development year. 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: What is your overall assessment of the Furfee injury and 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: what it means not just for Furfee but for Indiana. 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, good afternoon, Jake. First of all, it's just like 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: here we go again. You thought they were starting to 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: get out of the woods with injuries, and here's another 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: player on the roster that is requiring to have surgery. 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: And so fortunately, acl injuries, as Ralph will tell you, 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: have become more mainstream and a lot easier to recover 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: and quicker from. But you're exactly right in terms of 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: the golden opportunity lost here for Furfey over these final 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: twenty nine games or so, because he was going to 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: be in the starting role, he was going to get 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: really you know, significant minutes, twenty plus minutes per game, 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: maybe more as they trickle down, some minutes that I 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: expect here in the forthcoming games, especially after All Star break, 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: right with aaron Ne Smith, with nim Hard, with Siakam 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: certainly in particular, probably McConnell maybe as well among that bunch. 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: And so here's an opportunity for a guy who's barely 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: turned twenty one, probably still growing by the way, at 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: six foot eight officially. And yeah, now he's going to 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: be sidelined, but there's a lot he can be gained 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: from there. But there's nothing right now for a young 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: guy that beats on court activity there in the NBA. 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: How many i'd have to look, Eddie, do you have 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the how many games have the Pacers played so far 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: this year? The exact number of games that they've played 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: so far this year. 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: They're in game fifty three right now, they're on fifty three, 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: This will be fifty four tonight. 43 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: Okay. 44 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: It always is surprising to me because you just assume 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: that the like the All Star break would be like 46 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: the halfway But any right, So, so they have twenty 47 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: eight games remaining, is that right? 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: Uh? That's always the hard math. But I always say, 49 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: I think it's twenty nine for tonight. 50 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: So twenty nine. 51 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 5: Yes, whether at fifty three or fifty four. 52 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 4: They've played fifty three games, they have twenty nine left. 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So in the twenty nine remaining games, Scott, give 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: me the player whose average minutes per game is going 55 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: to have the best the biggest differential in this last 56 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: twenty nine games versus let's say the first twenty nine 57 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: games of the year. And I don't mean due to injury. 58 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: So give me a player that has not played a 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: lot that all of a sudden now you think that their. 60 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 5: Workload is going to increase significantly. 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 2: Oh. Probably Ben Shephard might be a guy I'd take 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: on that challenge there, just because of how little he 63 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: played early on to do injury and in rotation. But 64 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: you start pulling guards out right, starting with Nim Hard 65 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 2: and Nie Smith. I hope both of those guys see 66 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: their minutes decrease and go know above nowhere above thirty 67 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: minutes per game. I think he's he should go above 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: twenty now per game. 69 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: Yeah see, and that's why. So the reason I ask 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: it is this. I understand and I respect that the 71 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: Pacers are never going to say they're tanking, okay, and 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: I understand and respect that Pascal Siakam, for example, who 73 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: has been a true professional this season, deserves the opportunity 74 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: to win as many games as can be had. However, 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: it is my belief that the Pacers definitively do have 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: their eyes on getting one of those top four picks, 77 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: and so therefore there are ways that you can massage that. 78 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: So when you say that Nim Hard and Nie Smith 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: you think their minutes could be limited, Scott, is that 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: because you think they simply look at it and say, hey, 81 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: you know what, less mileage on the tires. Let's just 82 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: make sure that we're not putting ourselves at risk of 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: too thin for the future. Or is it cognitively because 84 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: they're saying, we're going to put combos out there that 85 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: are going to keep us in that mix for the 86 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: top four picks. 87 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly both. I think it's more the first 88 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: is let's not wear these guys down. You got to 89 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: realize what they've come off of in last offseason was 90 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: not very long late June. In fact, they arrived back 91 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: from Oklahoma City. I think it was June twenty third, 92 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: which takes off two months of your offseason, and Tyreees 93 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: and Andrew Nimhart, for example, played with their national team. 94 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: Siakam a small part of that. And so these guys 95 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: have been through so much in the last couple of years, 96 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: three years that I lean more towards the first. There's 97 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: no reason in this season, Jake, that Nimhart or Siakam 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: needs to play thirty seven minutes like we've seen in 99 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 2: a couple recent games, for example. So I think that's 100 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: number one. I don't think they will be as blatant 101 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: as for example, the Utah Jazz. I think last night 102 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: market in and some of their stars don't get in 103 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, and then their coach Will Hardy, 104 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: did you think about he was asked postgame, did you 105 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: think about going back to he goes? 106 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 5: Nope, I was not. 107 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: That's the blatant way to attack it, and I don't 108 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: think that's the case with the Pacers. 109 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 1: When do you think we will see the newest member 110 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: of the Pacers make their debut. 111 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: Well, we know that Kobe Brown is with the team 112 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: up in New York for these pair of games, so 113 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised for him to get in during 114 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: the stretch. Probably, I would guess more so tomorrow the 115 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: next game, second game of a back to back. What 116 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: we have seen with this Pacers team here in the 117 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: last month is that second game a lot more guy 118 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: sit for rest and injury management purposes a perfect opportunity 119 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: after he has a game to watch and see and 120 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: learn from this coaching staff for him to get out there. 121 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: In terms of Zubats, I think it was clear in 122 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: the morning show today that Rick Carlisle is saying, hey, 123 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: we're not going to see him for a while. And 124 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: I think also this makes sense in twofold. He just 125 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: became a dad less than a week ago. You need 126 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: to give him in the physical you got All Star break. 127 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: I would send him more so from a family standpoint, 128 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: seriously not related to basketball. Go back home, be with 129 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: your family, enjoy that, and then once he comes back, 130 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: I would hope in the first couple of weeks he 131 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: would first he would start getting some reps here because 132 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: that would be three weeks off of basketball. We don't 133 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: know the severity of this ankle injury referenced, but he's 134 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: certainly a guy that in his time in the league, 135 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: and this is one of the great things that appeals 136 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: to him and the Pacers is his longevity and his 137 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: reliability on the court. 138 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: You referenced Rick Carlyle This Morning Fan Morning Show. Of course, 139 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Rick Carlile joining each week always appreciated over the course 140 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: of the season, and in fact, Scott will let us 141 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: we'll let those that didn't hear it here from Rick 142 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: Carlyle himself. This is Rick Carlyle this morning. When Kevin 143 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: Bowen asked that exact question about when we might see 144 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: zoobots in the lineup. 145 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 6: No, no, he's a I don't think he's gonna play 146 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 6: for a while. You've got a lingering ankle situation. He 147 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 6: was injured December twentieth or something like this. Initially it 148 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 6: was it was deemed to be a four to six 149 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 6: week injury. But this a guy that's played ninety five 150 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,559 Speaker 6: percent of his game since he's been in the NBA, 151 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 6: and he pushed to come back earlier, their team was struggling, 152 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 6: and so it's just there's just something in there still, 153 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 6: there's some discomfort, there's some swelling. You admire the guy 154 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 6: for slugging through, but at this point it makes zero 155 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 6: sense for him to be out on the floor in 156 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 6: an NBA game if he's not feeling as close to 157 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 6: one hundred percent as possible. So I don't know the timetable. 158 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 6: He will not play in these two games, and we'll 159 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 6: see what's what when we come out of the. 160 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: Break, Okay, Scott. What's interesting to me there is I 161 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: totally get what Rick Carlisle's saying. If there was one 162 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: thing that I would say could be the benefit of 163 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: Zubat's playing, it is simply getting familiarity. I think so 164 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: much of It's kind of like offensive line in the NFL. 165 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: An offensive lineman in the NFL will tell you that 166 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: oftentimes a big part of their effectiveness or impact comes 167 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: from the familiarity of the guy and the movement and 168 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: the tendencies of the guy next to them. And I 169 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: would like to see that cohesiveness form this year between 170 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Zubots and Siakam. That's the one area where I could 171 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: see benefit of him being out there is the sharing 172 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: of space on the blocks between those two and where 173 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: Siakam likes to move around and take advantage in Zubots 174 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: getting used to those tendencies. 175 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: You agree with that entirely. Yeah, And more than that, 176 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: you'd also get films. So in the offseason when Tyres 177 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: and others are reviewing film and watching specifically on court minutes, 178 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: when Zubots is out there, then you actually have something 179 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: to go off of within your offense with Carlisle calling 180 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: out plays and all those sort of things. I've changed 181 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: one of my things. I've changed my tune Jake in 182 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: the last decade. Here is, you know, is the meaningless 183 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: game thing? Because in reality, there is always things you 184 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: can get out of games, whether it's that cottony, whether 185 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: it's evaluating other guys on the roster. Yes, it might 186 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: be meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but I 187 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: think there is great value to your point here of 188 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: get him out, get him him out there for a 189 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: dozen games at least, to build that rapport with one another, 190 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: and so much of it becomes instinctual as much as anything, 191 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: especially within the flow of the offense. It's a little 192 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: different obviously, with Haliburton not being available and out there, 193 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: but still he's inserted into a starting group that has 194 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: all continuity except for him, and so he's the guy 195 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: that's got to catch up. 196 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: In a hurry. 197 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, I'm going to ask everybody that we have 198 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: on today this question. It is the first day of 199 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the hint that we're out of the tunnel of hibernation 200 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: of the winter time. Now I understand this is the 201 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: false spring. I get all that right, but I want 202 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: to know this for Scott Agnes. The first time that 203 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: you walk outside and you got spring in your step 204 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: because you're like, oh man, it's actually like nice out. 205 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: I want to know the song or the artist. We 206 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: do this each and every year. That is the one 207 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: that you put it on. You go ahead and you 208 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: put it on the stereo in the car and you 209 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: roll the windows down and you're like, let it all 210 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: soak in, baby spring is here? 211 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 5: What song or artist? 212 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: Interesting? 213 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: Well? 214 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: Right now, I'd go with Jordan Davis. That'd be my 215 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: go to. I'd put in the air pods and walk 216 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: around downtown and enjoy enjoy the sunshine. Maybe I'll do 217 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: that this afternoon. 218 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 5: A particular song from Jordan Davis. 219 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: Uh, there's a there's many. I can go with any 220 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: of them, but U bar Nun's a good one right now. 221 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Okay, barn Nun Jordan Davis, Scott Agnes, Okay, we'll get 222 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: that worked in here. 223 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: Another one a classic, by the way, at least for me, 224 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: would be writing Roads would be another one. If I 225 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: had the if I was at dustin Lynch, if I 226 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: had my windows down and I was cruising, that would 227 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: be That would probably be that one, but probably won't 228 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: be driving today, Jake. 229 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know the Scott big country guy. 230 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: I figured he was going with some Taylor Swift there, 231 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: but we worked him out of that. 232 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 5: I guess, right. Is that phase over with of your life? Scott? 233 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: No, No, never is over. It's just a matter of 234 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: what the feel good mood is right now. Enough means 235 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: we're entering country summer concerts season, Jake. 236 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not a country music fan by nature, 237 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: but there is no doubt about the fact that country 238 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: music to me feels like summer party. That's your person, 239 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: no problem there, all right, Scott, appreciate the time as always. 240 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 5: To talk to you soon. 241 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you. 242 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: Jam Scott AGNs joining us from Fieldhouse Files, joining us 243 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: now on the Java House Peel and poor guest line. 244 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: He is the newest member of the Indiana Pacers, of course, 245 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: coming as part of the trade deadline move of seeing 246 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson and Benedict Matheren going to Los Angeles and 247 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: Avitza Zubats is now a member of the Indiana Pacers 248 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: and has now gotten to know the Indiana media just 249 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's looking around at the snow 250 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: and the ground and thinking to himself, this eighth Santa 251 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: Monica Pier. But he joins us now in the program. 252 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: Let me be the first to say, welcome to Indianapolis. 253 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. 254 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Let's go back to I guess the news of this 255 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: because and Rick Carlisle talked about this earlier today, and 256 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: that is the fact that you were playing through some injury. 257 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: I think it was ankle that happened to you late 258 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: in December, because you wanted to get things going for 259 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: the Clippers back on the right track, and you did 260 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: that and kudos for that. But at the same time, 261 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: were you aware or did the Clippers make it known 262 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: to you that you were a potential trade deadline guy 263 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: that could be moved. 264 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I played. The injury happened. I came back earlier. 265 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 7: I wanted to, you know, I wanted to. We don't 266 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 7: start off the season right, so I wanted to help 267 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 7: the team and come back, and we kind of started 268 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 7: turning things around. But yeah, the day before deadline, I 269 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 7: they let me know, they told me there there was 270 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 7: a there was a chance that there there's a team 271 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 7: that's being very igpressive that wanted me, and there's a 272 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 7: chance there's some discussions, and so I was kind of 273 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 7: ready for it. 274 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 5: Were you What was your thought when you knew it 275 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 5: was Indiana? 276 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 7: It was just like a lot of stuff going on. 277 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 7: But I was just thinking about basketball fit. I was 278 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 7: thinking about you guys went to the team went to 279 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 7: the finals last year. It was one half away from 280 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 7: winning a championship. I know from before that it's a 281 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 7: big basketball state that people love basketball in Indiana, and 282 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 7: I thought that this team needs a center like me, and. 283 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: I need a team like this. 284 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 7: So the first thought was it's going to be a 285 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 7: great basketball fit and that I'm very excited. 286 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: You know. 287 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: The other great thing about it is and by the way, 288 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: and I mean this with the all due res, okay, 289 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: but I want to make sure that because I have 290 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: heard it in various ways in terms of the pronunciation 291 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: of your name, and I don't mean to be if 292 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: I hope that's not offensive to you when I ask, 293 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I'm saying it correctly, 294 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Avitza Zubats. 295 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 5: Did I say that correctly? 296 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: Iviza? 297 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 5: Iviza, Iviza Zubats? 298 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah? Okay? 299 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: So with that one of the advantages here for you, 300 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: at least we feel this way, Iviza, and that is 301 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: that Indiana is a great place to raise a family. 302 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: That's what you always hear Midwest values, great place to 303 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: raise a family. And it turns out the day that 304 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: you found out that in fact you're going to be 305 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: a Hoosier, you became a father. So I and congratulations 306 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: on that, a baby girl, if I'm not mistaken, correct? 307 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: Yes? Right? Okay? 308 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: So what is the game plan in terms of time 309 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: frame of the understandable nature of wanting to be with 310 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: your family in that regard and soak in and enjoy 311 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: that moment and then working your way back in with 312 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: the team. Has there been any discussion on when we 313 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: might see you actually on the floor. 314 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 7: I think, uh, you know, we're trying to get this 315 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 7: ankle very first. 316 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: That's A. 317 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 7: That's a that's the number one priority. But I'll be 318 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 7: going to LA for the All Star break, spend some 319 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 7: time with with a family with a baby girl, and 320 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 7: then I'll come back to Indiana like all the guys will, 321 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 7: and uh, we'll go from there. We'll see, we'll see 322 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 7: how the ankle is, we'll work on it, we'll treat it, 323 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 7: we'll get it right. And as soon as I fill 324 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 7: hundred percent, as soon as the phil is right, I'll 325 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 7: be out there. 326 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: What is your level of I guess familiarity other than 327 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: obviously you know, having a thirty rebound. I think it 328 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: game was against Indiana here in the field House in 329 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: twenty nine. 330 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 5: Okay, I'll give you one more. How about that. We'll 331 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 5: go with thirty. 332 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: Right. 333 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate the precision there, but twenty nine. But this 334 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: roster in particular and its style of play, how familiar 335 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: are you within the Yeah? 336 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 7: Just uh, I watched a lot of playoff games last year. Uh, 337 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 7: and just going going against this team, playing against them, 338 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 7: I know they pushed the pace a lot, they played 339 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 7: really fast, they moved the ball a lot. They look 340 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 7: for the open man. Uh, it doesn't matter who it is. 341 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 7: They're always looking for the best shot available. And just 342 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 7: just know that team, this team never quits, had a 343 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 7: lot of great comebacks in the last year's playoffs, even 344 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 7: against US in UH in l A last year, we 345 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 7: went out, had a big lead UH early and UH 346 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 7: this scene fought, fought and got back in the game 347 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 7: and beat US. So I know this team never quits, 348 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 7: plays fast and. 349 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: Fights hard. 350 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 5: Are you comfortable playing fast? 351 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: Well? I will be like, right, I have to be. 352 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 7: I I don't mind playing fast paced. That's not necessarily 353 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 7: what I've been doing, what my team, my past has 354 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 7: been doing late last few years. But I'll adjust. I'll 355 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 7: use this time till the end of the season this 356 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 7: summer to adjust at the pace and to work on 357 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 7: my conditioning, and I'll be more than ready. 358 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: Have you been given indication from Indiana as to how 359 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: they may want you to play or show things that 360 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: you have before? In other words, are the Pacers planning 361 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: on the viza zubats that we saw in Los Angeles 362 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: being exactly the plugging guy or do you think there's 363 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: plan on getting you to extend out a little bit 364 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: and draw out of defense to give Siaka more area 365 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: on the block. How much discussion has been taking place there. 366 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 7: Well, I think the biggest priority is going to be 367 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 7: just doing what I do, kind of just making my 368 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 7: present felt and the paint on both as of the floor, 369 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 7: rebounding the ball, setting screens for the other guys. UH, 370 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 7: communicating on defense, protecting the brand, punishing the mismatches on 371 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 7: the on the offensive end. And then we said, well 372 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 7: we'll explore with my you know, we'll see, we'll see 373 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 7: how the shot looks. They want to see how it looks. UH, practices, workouts, 374 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 7: We're going to see. Uh, they're going to be the judge, 375 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 7: and UH that's up the coaches. If that's something that 376 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 7: I felt like I always had, but I've never had 377 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 7: many opportunities to do it. Uh, but that's it's all 378 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 7: up to coaches. If that's something there they want me 379 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 7: to add to my game, and UH, if that's going 380 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 7: to help the team, I'm I'm definitely open open to it. 381 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 7: And UH I worked really hard this summer to uh 382 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 7: to extend that range and UH bring that to the 383 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 7: team next year. 384 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: Which player on the Pacers roster are you most excited 385 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: to have now as a teammate. 386 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 7: Well, I think that's a big definitely tired. Uh big 387 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 7: point guards they always have, they always have a special 388 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 7: special relationship. 389 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: Uh. 390 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 7: We got to look out for each other on the court, 391 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 7: and uh, just him being one of the best point 392 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 7: guards in the league, being a past first guy, involving 393 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 7: all the teammates. I think it's going to be. It's 394 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 7: going to be. Uh, there's going to be a great 395 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 7: chemistry between us, and I'm looking really looking forward for 396 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 7: him getting back out. They're healthy and us playing together. 397 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: He beats a Zubots is our guest. He's on the 398 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: job of house peel and poor guest. Line newest center 399 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: of the Indiana Pacers. That game that you mentioned where 400 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: you had twenty nine rebounds, Lloyd Pierce, the assistant coach 401 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: for Indiana, kept telling TJ McConnell, drive at the guy, 402 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: drive out the guy, get him to foul out, and 403 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: eventually you did. Now McConnell said, he owes you a 404 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: bottle of wine for that. Has he delivered yet? 405 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: Uh, he's delivering today. Yeah, we talked about it. 406 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 7: He's got something for me, and I think here's delivering 407 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 7: it today. 408 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 5: Well, here's the important thing. 409 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: I hope that you're able to enjoy a glass of 410 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: wine while also looking over the fact that you've got 411 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: a young family. You're in a great place for it 412 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: here in central Indiana. Our weather is not Los Angeles. 413 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie about that, Iviza, But I know 414 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: people here are very happy to have you here and 415 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: very excited for it, and we certainly wish you the best. 416 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: Look forward to having you back on the program. But 417 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: welcome to Indianapolis. It's a great city and I think 418 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: bright things ahead for you. But I certainly wish you 419 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: the best in terms of getting back out on the 420 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: floor and then seeing you out there. 421 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 7: Thank you, I appreciate the war and welcome and see 422 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 7: you out there. 423 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: All right, sounds good again joining us Java House Peelaport 424 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: guest line. That is the newest member of the Indiana Pacers. 425 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: On a very busy day for him with media obligations. 426 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: So thanks for working that in for Iviza. 427 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 5: Zubat's newest member of the Pacers. 428 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: Little summer tunes all day long with the fifty four 429 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: degree heat, right, that's a heat wave, Jake. You know, 430 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: I'm a little uncomfortable with your speedo. 431 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: But other than not wearing a speedo, I'm not Kevin Bowen. 432 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, it is nice out, is it not? It's 433 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 5: very nice outside. 434 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Yes, join us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be 435 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: doing so. Based on that introduction, he's on the Java 436 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: House Peeling Port guest line. You read his work at 437 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: ESPN dot com. Stevenholder joining us, Stephen, I'd like to 438 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: know this, when the first taste of spring hits you 439 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: and you're driving around, even though we know this is 440 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: a false spring at this point, what song do you 441 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: put on the radio and turn up and roll the 442 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: windows down. 443 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 3: Well, I want to start by saying, I am glad 444 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: we are doing this remotely and not in the studio 445 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: based on what you just laid out there. That's rightspeedos 446 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: and the whole nine. So I don't know what's going on. 447 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: Happening Steve, And he's lying. 448 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: Spring is too early for a speedo, though I would say. 449 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: Is there any time that it's Is there any time 450 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: where it's not too early or late for a speedo? 451 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 5: I mean, let's be let's be real here. 452 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. See, I got there's 453 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: a lot of summer songs. What's a spring song? I 454 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: don't know. 455 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: A spring song is one that that makes you feel 456 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: like it's summer, right, I guess you know what I mean. 457 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't know. Uh, that's a great question. 458 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: I got to hit me out of left field on 459 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 3: this one. I gotta think about it. But I would 460 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: say I would say, hmm, yeah, all the songs that 461 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: mentioned summertime you can't use because it's not summer. So 462 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: let's circle back later in the in this segment because 463 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: I am like, I don't know. I think I turned 464 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: my brain off in the off season, so bear with me. 465 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 3: I'm fair enough. 466 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 5: Okay, Jakes is never on, so that is correct. All right, 467 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 5: I'm gonna begin with this question, Stephen. 468 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: This time a year ago, I think we would have 469 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: been surprised if we would have looked into a crystal 470 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: ball and seen that the Seattle Seahawks would be the 471 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions. But it all came together for them. 472 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: Give me two franchises that right now you look at 473 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: and say, they may not have been overwhelming in the 474 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season heading into twenty six offseason, but 475 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: they could be next year's Seattle Seahawks. 476 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 5: Give me two. 477 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: So I don't know if I completely believe this, but 478 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers, there's something there, Like I'm looking for 479 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: a non obvious one, you know, because we were not 480 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: we wouldn't pick them right now, right, But I think 481 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: if they if they could do what say the Patriots did, 482 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: which is like really retool that thing with free agency. 483 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: They have some good pieces already, they have a quarterback, 484 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 3: you know, maybe right, I don't know that I believe 485 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: in them, but who knows, right that would be a team. 486 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: It would take a big leap, but there's a basis 487 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: of something there. I was gonna say Jacksonville, but I 488 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: don't think that would be like stunning, right because they 489 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: have definitely a good foundation going on there. So I'm 490 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: gonna say no, I'm going to leave them out of 491 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: this conversation. Let's see. I think the Atlanta Falcons have 492 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 3: a lot of talent, okay, but I don't know what 493 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: the quarterback situation. I just don't feel great about the 494 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: quarterback situation. But I think they have a lot of talent. 495 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: They have great running back, they have great skill talent 496 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: on offense, they have some pieces on defense. Why can't 497 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: they take another step I don't know, so I don't 498 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: know those are wild picks, but I think both of 499 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: these Super Bowl entrants this year would have been wild 500 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: picks a year ago. 501 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, Eddie mentioned in my ear and 502 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: this might be a year premature, but will get your thoughts, 503 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Stephen Holder. Could the Tennessee Titans and cam Ward be 504 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: next year's New England? 505 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: So I would say this. I saw more from Drake 506 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: May as a rookie than I did from cam Ward 507 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 3: as a rookie. I think Drake May was better as 508 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: a rookie his first year, but I do think cam 509 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: Ward is their guy. Whether he can be as good 510 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: as Drake May was with a better supporting cast around him. 511 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. Drake May's supporting cast. His rookie year 512 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: was awful, to be completely honest, and he rose above 513 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 3: it and I thought established himself as as a franchise quarterback. 514 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: Their roster was terrible a year ago. It really is 515 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: a remarkable turnaround. But anyhow, I do think maybe you're 516 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: right about that a year or two early there, But 517 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: they have some picks to work with. They have, they 518 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: have some some pieces that they can work with, you know, 519 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: we'll see. And I love their coaching staff, like love 520 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: that coaching staff that they're going to be really well coached. 521 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Stephen, is there a team? Stephen Holder? Is my guest 522 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line seattle to me? 523 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: You know, they were so stout defensively and they disrupted 524 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: so much Drake May and that's what they did throughout 525 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: the course of the year. I mean their front four 526 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: was just flat nasty. What team out there has the 527 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: youth on a defensive line that if it all comes together, 528 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: you could blink your eyes and go, wow, they are 529 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: fast and furious. 530 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: Hmm, let's see. So thinking about this, I mean, we 531 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: know Houston, but they they've already been established. I don't think. 532 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: I don't think that's like, you know, a future projection 533 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: that's already established. I would say this is an interesting one. 534 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's been enough investment. Here's why I ask, 535 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: there's been enough investment, meant from Chris Ballard from the 536 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: Indianapolis standpoint, that you know, could Leatu suddenly take a 537 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: step and then boom, all of a sudden, now you've 538 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: got something. If Buckner gets one last real push, it 539 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: things or are we at the point of simply saying, 540 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: the Colts have satur out and talked about it for 541 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: ten years and we just now have to admit that 542 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: it's not an area they're very strong, all. 543 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 3: Right, So this is this is a good conversation. I 544 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: think the let's go to Seattle for example. Look at Seattle. 545 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it's really individual pieces on that defense. 546 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: I think it's the thumb is greater than the parts 547 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: on that defense. Like who's the star player on that defense? 548 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 3: There's a couple guys who are kind of named guys. 549 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. But but there's no you know, 550 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 3: they don't have you know, Von Miller in his prime. 551 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: They don't have Miles Garrett. They don't have that type 552 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: of guy. They have a collection of guys, and I 553 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: do think the Cold will probably need to approach it 554 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: that way. I mean, they have some stars, like soft 555 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 3: Gardner is a star player, there's no question about that. 556 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: They have a couple guys who are maybe in the 557 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: upper levels of their position. You know, can't buy them 558 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: really good safety. But I but I think more so 559 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 3: if they're going to be a good defense at this point, 560 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: particularly given the Forrest Buckner's age, because he can't be 561 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 3: for the most part, he can't be you know that 562 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 3: that that you know, prime twenty five year old the 563 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 3: Forest Buckner anymore. So you're gonna have to do this. 564 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: I think like thee like the Seahawks have, which is 565 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: collectively I don't have a problem with it. I think 566 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: that's the way to do it. But you've got to 567 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: draft really well, you've got to hit in free agency, 568 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: and it's all got to come together. I think that's 569 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: the roadmap for the Colts, and maybe they can pull 570 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: that off because they don't have I meant to Latsu 571 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: could be a guy who takes that next step that 572 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 3: I do agree with, But I also don't know if 573 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: that singularly is enough. I mean, you need a collection 574 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: of guys, and Seattle is a great blueprint I think 575 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: for a lot of teams out there if you maybe 576 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: don't have the star the high level stars on defense. 577 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: Give me a name, Stephen of somebody on the Colts 578 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: roster right now, not named Michael Pittman. It is contractually 579 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: bound to play next year. Yet it wouldn't surprise you 580 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: at all if we find out that the Colts have 581 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: moved on from them. 582 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: Hmm. So this would this would surprise me maybe, but 583 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: I think we have to at least put it out there. Uh, 584 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 3: you know, Zire Franklin, Yep, I don't. I don't think 585 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. Okay, let me be clear, don't. Don't 586 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: nobody go post on a blog that I said this 587 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: is happened. I don't think it's happening. But I think 588 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 3: if we're for the purposes of this conversation, I think 589 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to retool that defense. Right. They will 590 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: retool that defense, I think more than people realize, just 591 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: because they kind of have to. And I think Chris 592 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: Ballard talking at the end of the season about needing 593 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: to get you know, more athletic and faster on defense, 594 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: I think that says maybe they have to rethink some 595 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: of this. I think you can do that and maybe 596 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: not part ways with the only real viable linebacker you 597 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: even have, because let's be honest, they don't have any 598 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: linebackers on this team. So I think that works in 599 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: Zaire's favor. But you know, there's the money, there's the 600 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: fact that he is not one of those you know, speed, 601 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: speed type guys that he is seeking. Chris ballad is seeking, 602 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: you know, so there's a couple of factors there that 603 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: would at least make that a possible conversation. Do I 604 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: think it's gonna happen. No, But if you're asking me 605 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 3: for a surprise, that would be somebody that comes. 606 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: With It feels to me, Steven, and you tell me 607 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: if I'm off base. It feels to me like Zire 608 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: Franklin of the players of productivity, and he has been productive. 609 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 1: Of the players of productivity, Zire Franklin may be the 610 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: one whose productivity is most easily replicated by perhaps someone 611 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: that is less expensive. 612 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: Okay, now that's a fair point. And I think that's 613 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: because the position correct. It's not personal towards Zire frank 614 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: correct thing. 615 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 5: It's a system position right. 616 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: Reality, it's the reality of linebacker in the l right. 617 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: I mean they are eminently replaceable, not him, just linebackers generally. 618 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: You know, I think there are there are a handful 619 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: of guys out there who are who are certainly very 620 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: difficult to replace. But I would say most teams, in 621 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: a moment of honesty, most executives would probably tell you, 622 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: if I had to find somebody that's replaced on my defense, 623 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: linebackers probably where they start, you know, because they have 624 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: that position has just taken on less importance over the 625 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: years with the way offenses are matchup based. You know, 626 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: when you're when you're looking for a good matchup, you're 627 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: matching up on a linebacker today, you know, So it's 628 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: almost you know, that position is almost to your to 629 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: your detriment if you're playing them too much. So yeah, 630 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: I think I think you're right about. 631 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 5: That, Stephen. 632 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: What's the latest upcoming from ESPN dot com or things 633 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: that you will be working on? 634 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: So I did I did foule a story today? I don't. 635 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: I don't know when we'll publish it, but this week 636 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: on Anthony Richardson and just I think it's just a 637 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: good time for what's next story about Richardson because that's 638 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: a big question and I think there's a lot of 639 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: questions there. I think he plays somewhere else next season. Personally, 640 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: that is my prediction. I don't know that it's Exton Stone. 641 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: Nobody's requested a trade that I'm aware of as of now, 642 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 3: but I think the indicators for me at least are 643 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 3: that he's probably going to be somewhere else. 644 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: Pick it right now, just throw it out there right now. 645 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: The franchise he'll be playing for is who Go Boom Go. 646 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, completely unscientific, without any real deep 647 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: thought on it. Minnesota, I don't know, Okay, Eddie, they 648 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: certainly have an unstable quarterback situation, right, let's put it that. 649 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 4: Way, Steve, and I thought I I was about to 650 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 4: hit the dump button there for a second. I would 651 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 4: also go with Minnesota. 652 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 5: Keep in mind Ryan Griggson there. 653 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: I think they're going to make a push Daniel Jones 654 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: just because I think could be a saucy, sexy story. 655 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: It would be. It would be, wouldn't it. 656 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 5: I'll go with I'm gonna go with the New Orleans Saints. 657 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: Not bad, not bad. I think Arizona's an interesting site 658 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: in Arizona too. Yeah, you know, I don't know, but 659 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 3: I think, hell, let's go with Cleveland. Let's go with Cleveland. 660 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: Let's bring on all the dumpster fire, right, let's go 661 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: with Cleveland. 662 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 3: Sure he's in the same range as in QBR as 663 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 3: their quarterback. That's right. 664 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, don't say that too loudly. People get upset. 665 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 5: Steven appreciated man as always. 666 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: All right, guys, Steven Holder joining us on the Joba 667 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: House peel and poor Guest line.