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Speaker 1: You know, I've said this for years when it comes

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Speaker 1: to my elected officials or appointed officials, and I really

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Speaker 1: saw this with local government. I don't want people in

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Speaker 1: those positions who are invested, either certainly financially or emotionally

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Speaker 1: or career wise in the thing they're overseeing. And what

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Speaker 1: I mean by this is when you would get people,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a park board or police commission or school board,

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Speaker 1: which is an elected thing, whether it's a pointed or elected,

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Speaker 1: you would see these people would come and apply for

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Speaker 1: these or run for these offices, and they'd always talk

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Speaker 1: about the experience they had with that thing, Like there

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Speaker 1: would be somebody who had experience serving in a parks

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Speaker 1: department somewhere, or you would see somebody who was a

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Speaker 1: police officer at one point, or you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: a team, so I'd be qualified to be on the

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Speaker 1: school board. And I said to myself, no, because your

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Speaker 1: job as an elected or appointed official is not to

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Speaker 1: be an advocate for but a watchdog over whatever thing

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Speaker 1: you're seeing. And the worst people to be on these

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Speaker 1: boards and commissions are people who are cheerleading for the thing. No,

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Speaker 1: your job is a cheerleader for the taxpayer. You used

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Speaker 1: to have this fight all the time with people of

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Speaker 1: other elected people and they couldn't see it well. But

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Speaker 1: so and so has experience in so what we are

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Speaker 1: the elected people, We make the policy calls. Their job

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Speaker 1: is to enact the policy calls. And then with the

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Speaker 1: fine they should be with the fine tooth comb overseeing

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Speaker 1: and making sure the moneies that are allocated or spent responsibly.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned all of this because one of the

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Speaker 1: major issues with the IEDC conflict of interest. We didn't

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Speaker 1: ever have watchdogs. There should have been the watchdogs over

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Speaker 1: seeing the money and where it went. Instead you had

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Speaker 1: people who were in invested in the business community in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: business projects in Indianapolis, and thus you could have nothing

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Speaker 1: but conflicts of interest because everybody was wanting the same

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Speaker 1: thing because it was benefitting them. And you see this

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Speaker 1: with this Indie Star article that came out about Brad

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Speaker 1: Chambers today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So our friend at Indie Reporter was

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Speaker 2: on this over the weekend and now the Indie Star

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Speaker 2: has an article as well. Pure Development is an Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: firm and they received over seventy seven million dollars through

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Speaker 2: no bid contracts from the IEDC for work on the

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Speaker 2: Leap project. Now, the contracts were awarded during the tenure

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Speaker 2: of Brad Chambers, who was the Indiana Secretary of Commerce.

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Speaker 1: Who later ran for governor. Correct, all the Holcombe people

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Speaker 1: basically went over to his campaign. Of course, the Leap

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Speaker 1: is Holcombe's fantasy island project in Boone County in which

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Speaker 1: we have now spent what it was four hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty some million dollars of taxpayer mostly taxpayer money on

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Speaker 1: the Leap project and we've gotten lily out of it.

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Speaker 1: And this Indie Star article lays out that this Pure

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Speaker 1: Development has a deal where they are working with Chambers

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Speaker 1: Company Buckingham Companies on a project in Carmel. So you

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Speaker 1: have these companies that are working together and then Chambers

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Speaker 1: is overseeing an organization or helping oversee an organization where

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Speaker 1: tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are flowing to that

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Speaker 1: company that he clearly has in some shape, form or

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Speaker 1: fashion a relationship with, and that is this is it.

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Speaker 1: This is the poster child for how the IEDC operates.

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Speaker 1: And nobody was watching out for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Pure's relationship with Chambers and Buckingham goes back

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Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen. So it's a it does as the

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Speaker 2: former Secretary of Commerce is, see have a say of

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Speaker 2: which company gets hired on this project. Well, hey, how

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Speaker 2: about you pick mine, pick my company?

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Speaker 1: And how could you not be infuriated by this? If

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Speaker 1: you're out today working on a highway somewhere, or you're

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Speaker 1: on top of a roof, or you're you're a policeman

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Speaker 1: on the street, or you're a teacher in the school

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Speaker 1: in the school house, schoolhouse, how old am I in

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Speaker 1: our schools? Money was taken from you, money that you

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Speaker 1: worked for, and it was given to this shadow company,

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Speaker 1: the shadow organization, who was just basically doling out dollars

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Speaker 1: to not only their friends, but people there they had

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Speaker 1: business relationships with that didn't benefit you in any shape,

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Speaker 1: form or fashion.

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Speaker 2: A Pure co founder called Buckingham one of Pure's most

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Speaker 2: important business relationships that in a twenty four court filing,