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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday, the last

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Speaker 1: hump day of October twenty twenty five. Later license a

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Speaker 1: mental health counselor, Doctor Jason Anthony Prendergast will be in

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Speaker 1: our classroom. Doctor Jason will dispel the myths that black

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Speaker 1: men do not support their children before doctor Jason math

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Speaker 1: Garu brother Akhilee Parker will check in before a Kilo

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Speaker 1: and New York media analyst the Wayne Gilman and Reggie

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Speaker 1: Thomas will preview the New York City mayoral race. But

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Speaker 1: to get a started, Morma Tello, Baltimore activist and author

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Speaker 1: Bill Gooden will join us. But let's get Kevin to

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Speaker 1: open the classroom doors on this hump day, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Arising, Carl Nelson. Indeed, I think we've got the

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Speaker 2: bumping this theme song in talk radio. You know, doesn't

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Speaker 2: it get you like, you know, bouncing and.

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Speaker 1: You see you know, oh yeah, dit you get you up.

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Speaker 2: Especially if you turn up the volume, you know, with

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Speaker 2: these great speakers that we have here in the studio.

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Speaker 2: And uh anyway, that's you know, being musically inclined. I

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Speaker 2: think that everybody should get up and feel your dance today,

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Speaker 2: you know, get out of your bed right now, feel

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Speaker 2: that dance, clap your hands, raise your hands, you know,

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Speaker 2: give some things some gratitude, and then just share and

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Speaker 2: turn up the radio and take out your notebook because

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a great day. On the Call

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Speaker 2: Nelson Morning Show, University, how you feeling.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning and I know we'll learnch some stuff

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Speaker 1: this morning from the lineup of guests that we have

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's the twenty ninth of October, like you said,

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Speaker 2: the last worry free Wednesday, the last humpday, the last

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Speaker 2: mid week dedication, and so we're all set to go.

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Speaker 2: But starting on a somewhat sad note, Hurricane Melissa is

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Speaker 2: still doing her thing, making landfall in eastern Cuba as

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Speaker 2: a Category three storm, and we you know, we're still

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Speaker 2: looking out for and praying for people in the wake

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Speaker 2: of the storm after it pummeled Jamaica as one of

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Speaker 2: the strongest Atlantic hurricanes on record. That's according to the

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Speaker 2: US National Hurricane Center. Hundreds of thousands of people were

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Speaker 2: evacuated to shelters in Cuba, and a hurricane warning is

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Speaker 2: still in effect for the provinces of Grandma, Santiago de Cuba,

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Speaker 2: Guantanamo and lost two nats. So I tell you, what

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Speaker 2: do you say about that called one hundred twenty winds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sister Gabrielos with us yesterday yesterday, right, Remember she

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Speaker 1: told us that's where most of the Afro Cubans lived

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Speaker 1: on that part of the island where the hurricane is

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Speaker 1: now pounding. But also that's where the naval base. And

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Speaker 1: I forgot to ask how we're Inmbargo and Cuba. We

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Speaker 1: navy base there, you know. So there was a threat

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Speaker 1: that the round of stup and sent us all to

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Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay, but now they have to shut it down

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Speaker 1: because of the hurricane. So we'll see how fast they

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Speaker 1: rebuild if they need, you know, and they start using

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Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay. But yeah, it's it's it's gonna be devastating.

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Speaker 1: And the sad thing is that they're carrying most folks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, looking at some of the video footage, man, it's

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Speaker 2: incredible on what's happened in the power of that hurricane.

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Speaker 2: Just destroying buildings, gas stations, highways, cars. It's it's something else, man,

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Speaker 2: And no question. Promvinces from Guantanamo in the far East,

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Speaker 2: many of the activities going on, of course, and Jamaica

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Speaker 1: But here's the other part too, Kevin. After he finishes Cuba,

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Speaker 2: In other news, families could start losing access to Headstart

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Speaker 2: if the government shut down continues beginning November one, more

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Speaker 2: than sixty five thousand children will be at risk of

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Speaker 2: losing access to Headstart, the federal early learning program for

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Speaker 2: low income families. That's because federal funding for the individual

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Speaker 2: shut down. See there, man, it's just continuing ruining all

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Speaker 1: But when I hear stuff like that, I just want

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Speaker 2: But in this case, this is children though, Carl. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the children are being affected, they don't.

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Speaker 1: Right, But how many of their parents voted for Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: They say the leaders of one hundred and thirty four

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Speaker 2: local head start programs, as well as another half dozen

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Speaker 2: who's funding lapsed last month October first, are now debating

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Speaker 2: how long they can go before closing their doors. How

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Speaker 2: long can they go? So they're gonna try, I guess,

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Speaker 2: and reach into their own pockets. And so you're saying

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Speaker 1: Probably so because some people thought that's not what I

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Speaker 2: Man, maybe we should do a statistical analysis on that

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Speaker 2: find out, like you said, what the percentages actually are.

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Speaker 2: But meanwhile, nationally.

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Speaker 1: But before you go on, many of those folks who

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Speaker 1: voted for Trump, they went in that booth Kevin and

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Speaker 1: they pushed the button for Trump. But then they didn't

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Speaker 1: say anything, and they're not going to say anything. They're

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Speaker 1: too embarrassed now that they're back to loser, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they backed a loser.

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 2: Head Start serves roughly seven hundred and fifty thousand infants, toddlers,

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Speaker 2: but also free meals, health screenings, and family support. So

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Speaker 2: Headstart closures could hit Florida's migrant farm workers too.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the farms.

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Speaker 2: Daniel himI manages six head Start centers across three Florida

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Speaker 2: So you know, and this goes on and on. It

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Speaker 2: just shows the effect of that. Meanwhile, the President is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those many yeah there meeting with she. But they've

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Speaker 1: already agreed on the TikTok thing. But you know, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's gonna come out and say he solved the problem.

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Speaker 1: I solved another big problem. I think this is where

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Speaker 1: this uh, this government shutdown is heading too, because when

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Speaker 1: he gets back, okay, it's gone too far. Now Republicans

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that the settlement has got

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Speaker 1: we'll see how this works out. But it's shaping up

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Speaker 1: whenever whenever it's over, and it will be over. Whenever

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Speaker 1: it's over. He's gonna claim credit for solving the problem.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Like you said, you once you create the problem,

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Speaker 2: then you twist the knife and make it worse, and

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Speaker 2: then you pull the knife out and say, hey, look

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Speaker 2: what I did. Is that you know what it's like,

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Speaker 2: tom thumb?

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Stuck as thumb and a pine? Anyway, I'm off track here. Look,

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Speaker 2: the White House is firing the entire Fine Arts board

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Speaker 2: in charge of reviewing construction projects, including the ballroom that

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Speaker 2: the President wants to set up, and the White House

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Speaker 2: fired all of the Commission of Fine Art members last night,

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Speaker 2: the commissioners removed were expected to review Trump's through one

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Speaker 2: the Lincoln Memorial. According to The Washington Post, the one

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Speaker 2: has seven members but had six as of the firings,

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Speaker 2: were made up of Hazel Ruth Edwards, Bruce Redmond Becker,

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Speaker 2: And there we'll be and examined all those names. And

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Speaker 2: they were appointed by the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: That's probably what they're you know, worked into their firing

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Speaker 1: is as long as if you don't pledge allegiance to

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Speaker 1: the new person in their White House at your job,

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Speaker 1: your job is suspect.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see, you know his whole strike back, you know,

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Speaker 2: with vengeance thing. I could see that because Biden appointed them,

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Speaker 2: he you know, he's doing that, and he also might

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Speaker 2: be avoiding a review of the ballroom following the steps

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Speaker 2: of former President Harry Truman, who added the balcony to

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Speaker 2: the White House after the commissions, then chairman said the

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Speaker 2: panel can only act in an advisory capacity with Harry Truman,

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Speaker 2: so he fired that person. And so Trump is kind

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Speaker 2: of following through on that. And a construction rather construction

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Speaker 2: on Trump's ballroom began last week when the one hundred

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Speaker 2: while people are out of work, that's what's happening. And finally, Carl,

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Speaker 2: two National guardsmen are speaking out against Trump, saying that

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Speaker 2: they would refuse deployment to Chicago.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if any other law enforce officials were

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Speaker 1: you know, follow them, We'll see what that happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the leader and mister Pelicheck said it's disheartening to

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Speaker 2: And so they were asked even if they were forced

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: So that's the way it is. On this twenty ninth

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Speaker 2: of October. Thanks for your time. Car Right, we've got

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Speaker 2: the first guest. Thanks for giving us up to date

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Speaker 2: on the news. This morning twelve after Tompay out let's

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Speaker 2: grow up to Baltimore, I meet brother Bill Good and

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Speaker 2: grand Rise and Bill will come back to the program.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, Top of the morning, mister Nelson, and thank

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Speaker 6: you for this opportunity to be on your program. We

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Speaker 6: first call, I too, wants to just give my condolences

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Speaker 6: as well as my prayers for the people that's in

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Speaker 6: the path of the storm that's currently taking place. And

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Speaker 6: you know, I just want to totally uplift them and

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Speaker 6: send my prayers and as anybody else to pray for

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Speaker 6: the people that's in the path of the storm. I

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, and we can curb with what you

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Speaker 1: just said, Bill, because it's moving through right now. It's

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Speaker 1: pounding Cuba and then it's going to go offshore and

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Speaker 1: and later it's anxiety said on Permuter. But hey, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, look, there's nothing we

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Speaker 6: we have some horrific times throughout the world. I was

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Speaker 6: just looking at the news where at least four hospitals

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Speaker 6: the roofs blew off in Jamaica. Uh So again I'm

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Speaker 6: just praying for the people. Uh but you know, like

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Speaker 6: you say, that's mother nature. It's nothing that we could

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Speaker 6: Yes, I call it again again, Thank you Bud, and

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Speaker 6: There's whereger war against the citizenship of this here country

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Speaker 1: in one of the one of the reporters asked if

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Speaker 1: Jesse was our president. They figured they had Jesse was

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Speaker 1: the president of Black America. He faced it because then

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Speaker 1: they wanted Mandela to become the president of South Africa.

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Speaker 1: Black South Africa who were trying to negotiate that, and

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Speaker 1: then Mandela, of course one would be president of all

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Speaker 1: of South Africa. But they in their view that Jesse

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Speaker 1: was our president. Now, as I mentioned, it's got some

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Speaker 1: health challenges, so sidelined a bit. Do we have anybody

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Speaker 1: who's picked up the space, who has the metal is

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Speaker 1: recognized if the people overseas will say he's leaving the

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Speaker 1: black people in America, do we have anyone there? No.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that we have a particular person or

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Speaker 6: two or three people that we could just put our

448
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Speaker 6: fingers on and say that you know, this person is

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Speaker 6: now in the Lewis Fary conn this is Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 6: You know, I just think, Carl, you know again, when

451
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Speaker 6: we're talking about the hurricane, it just took took place

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Speaker 6: in Jamaica, right, you know. And it's a funny thing

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Speaker 6: in terms of leadership because sometimes you know, people look

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Speaker 6: for leaderships that it's either got a symbol of what

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Speaker 6: we recognize a power or lots of money. But you know,

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Speaker 6: when a hurricane happens and people is dying and people

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Speaker 6: need help, you know who the leadership is, whoever come

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Speaker 6: and save you. So you know, when it's head country,

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Speaker 6: structure fall and crumble and it's on fire and people

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Speaker 6: is fighting in the streets, then the leadership is gonna

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Speaker 6: be the people that that's coming to your rescue, that

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Speaker 6: that's ready to sit there with you and fight with you.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. So I think that we're

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Speaker 6: looking for a whole new level of leadership and it's

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Speaker 6: their country. You know, we're moving away from the old

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Speaker 6: leadership that we once knew that America has recognized as

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Speaker 6: our leaders and so they get you know, so we

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Speaker 6: have a few leaders that we could look because we

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Speaker 6: have a whole bunch of leaders out there. Call you're

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Speaker 6: a leader. You may not you may not say you're

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Speaker 6: a leader, you know what I'm saying. But you a

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Speaker 6: leader in terms of all the people that you touching

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Speaker 6: every day and having an opportunity to teach and learn

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Speaker 6: from it. As you said when you say, you're still learning.

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Speaker 6: So that's what leadership do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: We teach and we learn, right, So you know we're

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Speaker 6: not teaching our people about the things that's coming or

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Speaker 6: how to try to prepare ourselves for the things that's coming,

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Speaker 6: then what are we doing? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: So you know the Frederick Douglas, the Harry Tubman's and

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Speaker 6: all them people, then you know then that depth and

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Speaker 6: their struggles is not in vain because we're still here

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Speaker 6: today without them people that came before us, Carl, what

484
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Speaker 6: we be where we are today? I would say no,

485
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Speaker 6: we would not.

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Speaker 3: So we have to.

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Speaker 6: Continue in the same vein that they fought in to say, Look,

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Speaker 6: we're not gonna just sit here and why do our

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Speaker 6: people die and be quite back into slavery. We're gonna

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Speaker 6: fight and as long as this world exists, then we

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Speaker 6: want to exist and we're gonna be a part of it.

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Speaker 6: So you know, the leadership is the people that's gonna

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Speaker 6: step up.

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Speaker 1: As I see it, Well, let's just be a twenty

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Speaker 1: nine away from the top of that. Do we need

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Speaker 1: do we need to have a black agenda? Should Should

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Speaker 1: we have another meeting like that? And I keep asking

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Speaker 1: folks like this and they say it's not necessary to

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Speaker 1: have a meeting with not a meal, a man maunch meeting.

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Speaker 1: But that meeting back in Gary, I think it was

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Speaker 1: in seventy two? Do we need to and with that

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Speaker 1: come out with a black agenda? These are the things

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Speaker 1: we want, these are the things we're gonna do, and

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Speaker 1: this is how we're gonna achieve it. Do you think

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Speaker 1: we need to set up another meeting like that?

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Speaker 6: Boy, I definitely do think we need a black agenda call.

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Speaker 8: And you know, and I think that the people is

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Speaker 8: willing to participate in their need to just to be

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Speaker 8: pull them together because we always need to have demands,

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Speaker 8: right and you know, and I think that with the

511
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Speaker 8: black agenda, you know, let me just push back for

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Speaker 8: one minute calls because I remember about.

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Speaker 6: Twenty years ago I was trying to run a campaign

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Speaker 6: and we're just simply saying that, you know, at the minimum,

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Speaker 6: at the very minimum, call, we should not spend our

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Speaker 6: money in what we don't work. Now, to me, that

517
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Speaker 6: made all the sense in the world, right, you know,

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Speaker 6: so when we talk about all the businesses and all

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Speaker 6: these checking places and little confectionaires and feelingsations that pop

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Speaker 6: up in our community that other people and other races

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Speaker 6: is operating. But you know, they getting one hundred percent

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Speaker 6: of Black dollars. But we don't even have a person

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Speaker 6: in that work And I don't care. I ain't number

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Speaker 6: three people in that store. One of them people should

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Speaker 6: be us because all the money that they get on

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Speaker 6: from the black community. So I'm saying, it's a lot

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Speaker 6: of stuffle things that we could do, right.

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Speaker 9: But you know, but our people have.

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Speaker 6: To be in agreement that you know, if this is

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Speaker 6: the black agenda, then do I support this? Why do

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Speaker 6: I support this? Yes, it makes sense that we don't

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Speaker 6: spend our money, well, we don't worry. Yes, it makes

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Speaker 6: sense that we have a certain percentage of political representatives

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Speaker 6: based upon our numbers, as our kids always saying, right,

535
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Speaker 6: but we have to be able to put that Black

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Speaker 6: plan into the households of black people and make sure

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Speaker 6: and encourage them to look at the plan, because we

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Speaker 6: need to have enough of us support in the plan

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Speaker 6: that the plan could be effected. So I certainly support

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Speaker 6: what you suggested.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty seven away from the top of our family,

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Speaker 1: just waking up. I guess it's Bill Goodness, an activist

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Speaker 1: and an author out of Baltimore City, and it's discussing

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Speaker 1: what his new book or his book has been out

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Speaker 1: for some time. America is Burent on fire.

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Speaker 6: And Marthon's on Brian Crumblin'.

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Speaker 1: That's the tide of the book. And he made this

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Speaker 1: acception and way before Donald Trump took the office. He

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Speaker 1: says he saw the declinent. At what point did you

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Speaker 1: see you jumped up on this book with? Because I

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Speaker 1: think I asked you this before. What was it that

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Speaker 1: you saw that you said, I've got to write the

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Speaker 1: boot I got to warn my people that something's happening.

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Speaker 1: I see the country going south. At what point did

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Speaker 1: that happen? And when did you come to that conclusion?

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Speaker 6: Bill? Well, you know, Carl like said, I'm seventy three,

557
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Speaker 6: I've been active since I've been eighteen. But I think

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Speaker 6: that you know everything you witness. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: even when you had this massivecarceration of black people going

560
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Speaker 6: to jail, even selling weed, they even having weed, right,

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Speaker 6: And you know, so you're looking at the prison industry

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Speaker 6: and you recognizing that, you know, all these brothers and

563
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Speaker 6: stuff that's getting jammed up in the system. Then you know,

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Speaker 6: these big corporations is able to use that labor and

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Speaker 6: they getting two or three dollars a day to work.

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Speaker 6: But then after they released, they came and go and

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Speaker 6: get a job doing the same things that they had

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Speaker 6: been doing what they in prison. Right, So, you know,

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Speaker 6: just sitting back and watching all the brothers and stuff

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Speaker 6: get jimmed up, and you know, Car, you know, look

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Speaker 6: for forty years, Car, I pushed the issue. I started

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Speaker 6: pushing the issue in Saint Louis before I came to Baltimore.

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Speaker 6: When I came to Baltimore, we fought, and before we fought,

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Speaker 6: said that, you know, drugs and weapons confiscated by the

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Speaker 6: police department. We used to have a citizens group to

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Speaker 6: witness the destruction all them drugs and weapons. Why call,

577
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Speaker 6: because it's a billion dollar industry, why would we have

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Speaker 6: to accept that the police say, all these drugs and

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Speaker 6: weapons that we confiscate, we destroyed cars. I mean, why

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Speaker 6: would we believe that, we know, we know that the

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Speaker 6: corruption of the police departments, and then it's the system,

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But again, you know, the

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Speaker 6: same people that bring guns and drugs into our community,

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Speaker 6: then them the same people we look for to eradicate

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Speaker 6: them drugs and weapons from our communities. It don't make

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Speaker 6: sense to me, right, So I'm saying, so when you're

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Speaker 6: just looking at that, when you go to courts and

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Speaker 6: you know, of course now we're in a position we

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Speaker 6: have a few black judges and etc. But when you

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Speaker 6: go to court and basically all the judges is white,

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Speaker 6: you know, all the politicians is white, then you know

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Speaker 6: what hope is it for you as black people, never

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Speaker 6: seeing yourself in the positions of real power and being

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Speaker 6: able to make sagnificent change for your people. So you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I just couldn't see no other way for

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Speaker 6: a long time except to see that this is system

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Speaker 6: here have to be dismounted in order to for it

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Speaker 6: to have a reverse It's like rebooting our computer. You

599
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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, This system needed to be rebooted.

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Speaker 6: Now our Trump him is rebooting it, but they're not

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Speaker 6: purposely rebooting it for us. But in the end, it

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Speaker 6: may be a benefit to us if we come out

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Speaker 6: of this thing the right way.

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Speaker 1: All right? I too hold up thought right there, and

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Speaker 1: I let to expound it. How is the Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: ring gonna benefit us? A let to explain that when

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Speaker 1: we get back, But we gotta check the news, trafficking, weather,

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Speaker 1: our different cities. It's twenty three minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: Tom pay Our family. I guess it's Bill Goodney's an

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Speaker 1: activist and an author out of Baltimore City. If he'd

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Speaker 1: like to speak to it and reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls after the news. That's

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with

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Speaker 1: us on this Wednesday morning, sixteen minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: tomp Pay with our guest, the Bill Gooden. Bill's an

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Speaker 1: author and also an activist out of Baltimore City. Before

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Speaker 1: we go back to Bill, let me just remind you

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Speaker 1: later this morning you're gonna hear from a licensed medical

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Speaker 1: health counselor. That would be doctor Jason Anthony Pendergrass. You

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the myth about black men not supporting

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Speaker 1: their children. Also before doctor Jason, though math grew at kill.

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Speaker 1: Parker will join us the following well, actually before Achille,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look at the mayor race through the eyes

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Speaker 1: of media analysts Wayne Gillen and Reggie Thomas and tomorrow

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Speaker 1: futuristic researcher bro the City McCarry will be here. So

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Speaker 1: let's go back to Bill in Baltimore. So, Bill, you

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Speaker 1: had an epiphanic, that's why he wrote this book way

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Speaker 1: before this. What's going on now? So I'll let you.

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Speaker 6: Finish your thought, Yes, sir, yes, sir. So you know,

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Speaker 6: let me be clear, Carl, when I say that you

632
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Speaker 6: know Donald Trump number is hit the speed button and

633
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Speaker 6: sitting the country on fire, and that you know the

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Speaker 6: dismatning other country may help us, I'm not saying that

635
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump knew what they're doing is purposely to help us.

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Speaker 6: When I'm something saying is that this country going to

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Speaker 6: a civil war, then it's not no race war. So

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Speaker 6: you're gonna have white folks out there fighting the government,

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Speaker 6: just like you're gonna have black people fighting the government.

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Speaker 6: If the people is victorious and over turning this government

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Speaker 6: and it's a reboot and we on the ground on

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Speaker 6: level or rebuilding this country, then we can have more

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Speaker 6: leverage and more power and moving forward is that we

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Speaker 6: have now. So I want to be clear that Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump is doing nothing with the intention of helping us.

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Speaker 6: But I'm saying in the end, basically how it turned out,

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Speaker 6: it may be a benefit.

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Speaker 10: For us and benefit how how so well it benefits.

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Speaker 6: Like I say, you know, if this particular government is

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Speaker 6: overthrow and this country is dismounted, then we're being from

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Speaker 6: the ground floor in terms of rebuilding this country, right,

652
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Speaker 6: just like if the constitution is no longer avoiding, new

653
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Speaker 6: constitution had to be put forth and new government had

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Speaker 6: to be put forth, then I'm saying that you know,

655
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Speaker 6: we're not slaves at this head of time or were

656
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Speaker 6: waiting to get free. Then we free people of fighting

657
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Speaker 6: and shaping this head government as it comes to its

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Speaker 6: new So I'm something saying that you know, being in

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Speaker 6: on the ground floor is a lot better than being

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Speaker 6: in the basement where you don't have no leverage or

661
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Speaker 6: when it starts. So you know, I again, I just

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Speaker 6: think that you know, our best opportunity is to see

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Speaker 6: this head country fall and crumbled so that it could

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Speaker 6: have a reboot, so that we could actually have some

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Speaker 6: leverage in this head country and we could reshape our

666
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Speaker 6: communities as we go for it, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: Just like you know, you have black people with black

668
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Speaker 6: people talking about Black Wall Street when black people talme out.

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Speaker 6: You know, seventy years ago when I was growing up,

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Speaker 6: then we all lived in the same community that we

671
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Speaker 6: walked to school, and we knew each other and we

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Speaker 6: own the little confection as now in our community. Then

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Card, we're gonna ever get back to that.

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Speaker 6: How can we get back to it and let this

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Speaker 6: government and let this system crumple, Because if the system

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Speaker 6: don't crumble, then how do we see our self the

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Speaker 6: best and going forward with everything that's taking place right now?

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Speaker 1: Right at thirteen Away from the topic, I hear what

679
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Speaker 1: you're saying, Bill, but we still haven't formulated any plans.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about a Black agenda. We talk about

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Speaker 1: you know, reparations is always one of the top issues

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Speaker 1: that our people want to discuss and we need or

683
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Speaker 1: we deserve reparations, that's not the question is how do

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Speaker 1: we go about achieving reparations? And this is part of

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Speaker 1: the Black agenda that we talk about but I haven't

686
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Speaker 1: seen maybe you two have seen some people who who

687
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Speaker 1: are constructing a black agenda, putting forth this is this

688
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Speaker 1: is what we need, or sort of writing a manifesto

689
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Speaker 1: for Black America. Is there any one person out there,

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Speaker 1: any any institution, any colleges, or or any group that's

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Speaker 1: doing that that you know of, Well.

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Speaker 6: I don't know of no particular group that's basically putting

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Speaker 6: a black agenda together. Call But you know, listen, I'm

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Speaker 6: sure and you know, I'm sure you got black people

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Speaker 6: out there. You got scholars out there that's working on stuff,

696
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Speaker 6: trying to develop a black agenda. I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 9: But I'm saying that, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, in terms in terms of going for a car,

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Speaker 6: then we never gonna be on the same page. That's why,

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean even in the military, you know

701
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Speaker 6: what I mean. Basically, you know, you try to get

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Speaker 6: young folks, and why do you get young people because

703
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Speaker 6: them the ones who's gonna go out there and fight, right,

704
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Speaker 6: So you know, we have to look at different levels,

705
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Speaker 6: and everything that's gonna happen in reference to black people

706
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Speaker 6: is not gonna happen at the same time and on

707
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Speaker 6: the same level. So those of us. That's you know,

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Speaker 6: the scholars and the people that because because the za

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Speaker 6: Keys and the uh some of the other guests you

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Speaker 6: have that wants to sit and put the Black agenda

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Speaker 6: together and the people is helpful, but then you're gonna

712
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Speaker 6: have the other people that they're gonna have to be

713
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Speaker 6: out there on the streets and they have to They're

714
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Speaker 6: gonna have to take it to another level. So you know,

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Speaker 6: we may get on the radar and say, well, what

716
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Speaker 6: is our plan, and nobody may baby lay out the plane? Right.

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Speaker 6: You know when when when when Donald Trump was running,

718
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Speaker 6: people talking about the twenty twenty five agenda, Well they

719
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Speaker 6: had their plan. When Donald Trump ran again, their plan

720
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Speaker 6: was already in place. So I'm like you, I'm hopeful

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Speaker 6: that it's a group of somebody putting a plan together

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Speaker 6: for us that you know, this is could be our

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Speaker 6: blueprintch our political leadership, or how our communities is gonna look.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, call I think that you know,

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Speaker 6: I can't sit back. I'm not putting a plan together

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Speaker 6: because I'm not that knowledgeable in certain in terms of

727
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Speaker 6: certain things. Right, So I'm gonna do what I can

728
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Speaker 6: on my level, right, And so you know, I think

729
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Speaker 6: it's important for everybody to say where do I fit in,

730
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Speaker 6: to be a part of what's happening, to make sure

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Speaker 6: that I protect the future. Because that's seventy three years old. Call.

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Speaker 6: It's not about me. I didn't live most of my life,

733
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Speaker 6: but it's unborn babies that yet to come. So you

734
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Speaker 6: know what, whatever I do today and have to be

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Speaker 6: a reflection on how they live tomorrow. Right, So that's

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Speaker 6: why I'm at call.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tend away from the topic. Let me

738
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Speaker 1: ask you this bill because it is about the future.

739
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Speaker 1: It is about our children and basically our grandchildren. But

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Speaker 1: the way the system is set up now with all

741
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Speaker 1: let's look at the legal system. All the judges or

742
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Speaker 1: most of the judges that Donald Trump appointed are very young.

743
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Speaker 1: They young people. They're gonna be there for a while,

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Speaker 1: as you know, just referencing the Supreme Court. How can

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Speaker 1: you make these changes when the bottom line, the last

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Speaker 1: word on authority is going to be the Supreme Court

747
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Speaker 1: and they're going to ruber stamp everything that not just

748
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump but people who follow him because he's not

749
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Speaker 1: going to be here forever, but he's what he's put

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Speaker 1: it built in a system that's going to last for

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Speaker 1: a long time. So what do we do? How do

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Speaker 1: we teach how young peop because they've already figured out

753
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Speaker 1: they probably have contingency plans. If if the whites do this,

754
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Speaker 1: if the blacks do this, the pope will do this.

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Speaker 1: If one that does this, or this person does this,

756
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Speaker 1: they probably have contingency plans already in place to negate

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Speaker 1: any progress those people or groups of people try to make.

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Speaker 1: So how do we get around that? That's my question?

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Speaker 6: No, what you you're totally right, because you know, you

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Speaker 6: got the j vancers, you got the people like Charlie

761
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Speaker 6: Kirks and all them people that's coming behind down Trump.

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Speaker 6: So it's a lot bringing down Trump. But that's why

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Speaker 6: I'm saying that that again called I keep I keep

764
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Speaker 6: going back to the whole thing that this country have

765
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Speaker 6: to have a civil war because you got lots of

766
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Speaker 6: white people in this head country. They look they not

767
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Speaker 6: wanting to just sit back and let Donald Trump now

768
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Speaker 6: take take that power away from them or take resources

769
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Speaker 6: away from them. So you got lots of white folks

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Speaker 6: in this country that's gonna have to find against this

771
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Speaker 6: head government saying well, we're gonna have to find against

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Speaker 6: this government. If the people's victorious, then the judges and

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Speaker 6: all them people that you're talking about that is in

774
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Speaker 6: power now will no longer be in power because the

775
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Speaker 6: system would be over through and a new rule will

776
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Speaker 6: come in. So you know, I'm clear in terms of

777
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Speaker 6: how I see the future have to have to be right.

778
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Speaker 6: So when we talk about how do we how do

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Speaker 6: we remove these hit people, we not removing them because

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Speaker 6: we're gonna say, well, we're gonna just wait for the

781
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Speaker 6: normal process, you know when when many terms come, let's

782
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Speaker 6: get out there and vote and let's get some more

783
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Speaker 6: Democrats in the office. And once that happens, No, no,

784
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Speaker 6: cause that's not what we need. We need to have

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Speaker 6: a real civil war. And this say, a country that's

786
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Speaker 6: gonna overthrow this hit government where another government could come

787
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Speaker 6: to existence, and you know again it's this country had

788
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Speaker 6: to be be be rebuilt and reshaped, and all these

789
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Speaker 6: hit people that you're talking about that's in office now,

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Speaker 6: then they're not gonna be a factor in terms of

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Speaker 6: if we successful and overthrowing this government.

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Speaker 1: Well me saving the way from the top of that family.

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Speaker 1: Just checking in Bill Goun's guests and author and also

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Speaker 1: an activists in Baltimore City Bill artificial intelligence? Is there

795
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Speaker 1: anything that we can use to help em better ourselves

796
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Speaker 1: using artificial intelligence? Because part of the problem AI just

797
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Speaker 1: you know, just folks. We're in the digital age, so

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are losing their jobs and they're

799
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Speaker 1: probably canning frustrated trying to find another jobs because another job,

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Speaker 1: because that's that's what's going on right now, because many

801
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Speaker 1: of them are being replaced by artificial intelligence. Is there

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Speaker 1: any way do you think that we can use artificial

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Speaker 1: intelligence AI to help our communities specifically?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I'm not a technical person called and

805
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Speaker 6: I've always argued that people go on my pages and

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Speaker 6: my Facebook pages and stroll down lega see why I've

807
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Speaker 6: wrote written about that and said different things. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 6: and in the end, I don't think that technology is

809
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Speaker 6: going to help us. I think technology is basically to

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Speaker 6: help to depopulate the earth because those are presently a

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Speaker 6: leadership of the Earth, then they're not going to need

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Speaker 6: as many people to do all these jobs and stuff.

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Speaker 6: I think people have to recognize is that you know,

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Speaker 6: it's technology for our benefit or is it a detriment?

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Speaker 6: So yes, I appreciate having an app on my phone

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Speaker 6: that when I'm trying to find directions, I could click

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Speaker 6: on and get directions. But in the end, then all

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Speaker 6: this technology stuff is more harmful to us than beneficial

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Speaker 6: to us. Now, you know, those of us that understand

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Speaker 6: that we have to find ways that we could use

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Speaker 6: it that can help us, But I don't think that

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Speaker 6: we should be putting our hopes in terms of technology

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Speaker 6: as being the saving force to us. You know, I

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Speaker 6: just think the saving force to us again, call its

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Speaker 6: just stuff. And I know lots of people don't like

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Speaker 6: to talk about it for lots of different reasons, and

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Speaker 6: people geared to talk about it, But hey, this country

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Speaker 6: have to have a civil war and real revolution because

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Speaker 6: this particular government has to be overthhoned so that we

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Speaker 6: could start over again.

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Speaker 1: Well find a way for that time. At what point, though, Bill,

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Speaker 1: do you think people are recognized that they've lost a

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Speaker 1: lot of their rights and recognized that the Constitution doesn't

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Speaker 1: guarante is not you know, I guess uh, the Constitution

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Speaker 1: is not going to help us because Donald Trump is

836
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Speaker 1: just basically shredded the constitution. He does whatever he wants.

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Speaker 1: At what point do you think people you say a

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Speaker 1: civil war. Many black people have been suffering for us,

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Speaker 1: so they figured most of our folks have figured it out.

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Speaker 1: It's going south for us, but so many And we've

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Speaker 1: got a few black folks who agree with what Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing, but most of them on the other side,

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Speaker 1: as Nearly Fuller tells us, they stay on code. So

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Speaker 1: they'll support Donald Trump even if he cuts their foods down,

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Speaker 1: even if it goes it does things that are against

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Speaker 1: their best interest. So you said, we're going to have

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Speaker 1: a penning civil war. So when do those folks who

848
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Speaker 1: are still behind Donald Trump they when are they going

849
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Speaker 1: to wake up? When are they going to get woke?

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, I hold your response for a

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Speaker 1: moment here because it's four minutes away from the top.

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Speaker 1: They got to take the traffic and weather or not

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Speaker 1: different cities. I'll let you respond to that when we

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Speaker 1: get back. Family, you two can join our conversation with

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00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: Bill Goodny's and activists and author from Baltimore. He says

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Speaker 1: the country should head for his heading for a civil war.

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Speaker 1: And my question to him is at what point the

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Speaker 1: old people who supported Donald Trump going to recognize and

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Speaker 1: wake up to what Bill is saying? What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight to seventy

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Speaker 1: six gets you in. We'll take your phone calls after

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Speaker 1: the trafficing weather that's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning and

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Speaker 1: the last home day of October twenty twenty five. I

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Speaker 1: guess there's Bill Goodney's an activist and author from Baltimore

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Speaker 1: City and telling us about the upcoming Black Man Unifying

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Speaker 1: Black Men meeting that's going to take place Bill, David Jounder,

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Speaker 1: David Murphy. But I'll let you finish your thoughts. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll speak with David Murphy. And we got Reggie and

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Speaker 1: Wayne on deck to talk about what's going on in

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Speaker 1: New York City. But I'll you finish your thought ession

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Speaker 1: and let's talk to David.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, well me let me respond to what you

874
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Speaker 6: was asking. You were saying, at what point that some

875
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Speaker 6: of the white folks is going to jump off that

876
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Speaker 6: side and come over to the other side and be

877
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Speaker 6: ready to go to war. Basically, I guess that what

878
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Speaker 6: you were saying, right. But you know, cause listen, you

879
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Speaker 6: know you one of the people that certainly could give

880
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Speaker 6: a very good perspective in terms of the power of

881
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Speaker 6: the media. The media is there to persuade people in

882
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Speaker 6: all to how people think. So when we look at

883
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Speaker 6: at mainstream media, we're not saying all them white folks

884
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Speaker 6: with the No Kings marches and all the millions of

885
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Speaker 6: white folks is out there, and lots of them people

886
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Speaker 6: was with Donald Trump. So I don't think that lots

887
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 6: of them not turning against Donald Trump. Just like you

888
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 6: got military personnel stepping down and saying, no, man, we're

889
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Speaker 6: going to I can't go along with this. So we

890
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Speaker 6: got more white folks out there ready to do battle,

891
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Speaker 6: then we may think that we have because mainstream media

892
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Speaker 6: is not reporting that. So people that's depending on mainstream media.

893
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Speaker 6: It's not saying what's happening. So I mean, you know,

894
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Speaker 6: and again you know, it's like when the first shot

895
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Speaker 6: is fire call, I think that's when the action is

896
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Speaker 6: gonna start. When I say the first shot, I'm saying that,

897
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Speaker 6: you know, sometimes when things happen, then we can't give

898
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Speaker 6: a date in a town when it's gonna happen. It's

899
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Speaker 6: a situation that we're just making happen. And I'm just

900
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Speaker 6: saying that we're getting close to that situation. So when

901
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Speaker 6: you hear the governors and you're hearing the mayor's talk

902
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Speaker 6: about uh not having that police uh in their cities

903
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Speaker 6: to uh operate with irons and the agents that Donald

904
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Speaker 6: Trump is is sending in, then the government is fighting

905
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Speaker 6: against itself right now at a level that you know,

906
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Speaker 6: I have ever witnessed before in our lifetime.

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Speaker 4: Call.

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Speaker 9: So I'm just say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've gotta, we gotta. We're gonna talk about

910
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Speaker 1: the media coming up with Reggie, Thomas and Wayne and

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Speaker 1: give them. But first let me get go to David.

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Speaker 1: David Murphy is calling one speaker with you. Grand Rising, David,

913
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Speaker 1: just Grand Rising, call, how you've been. I'm still learning, David,

914
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Speaker 1: I'm still learning.

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Speaker 11: Yes, sir Bill, how you doing?

916
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Speaker 5: My brothers?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I just wanted to comment on on the conversation with

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Speaker 12: two gentlemen I have and about this technology the fall

921
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Speaker 12: of the government. And you know, just as a reminder,

922
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 12: you know, this won't be the first time a dynasty

923
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 12: has failed. You know, the share your end, the roaming empires,

924
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 12: you know, happened before it can happen again. And the

925
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Speaker 12: way these dynasty falls is like Bill saying it's all ways.

926
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Speaker 12: It starts from knock from outside, it's from but then

927
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Speaker 12: that's when dynasty, you know, get checked out. But at

928
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Speaker 12: the same time, you know, with this technology see called

929
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Speaker 12: if you know, if people really check our history, because

930
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Speaker 12: like I say, Bill, miss media, they don't tell our

931
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 12: true story. See we are black mother Native people are

932
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Speaker 12: on the cutting edge your technology were no one pretty

933
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Speaker 12: much created to sell phones, the computers and everything else.

934
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Speaker 12: They just don't give us credit for it. And so

935
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Speaker 12: this technology, you know, if we are use it for

936
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Speaker 12: our benefit, you know, it can do wonders for us.

937
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Speaker 12: Because sometimes you have to take a platebook out off

938
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Speaker 12: off of what other people are doing to gets you

939
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Speaker 12: and use it for you. And uh and technology, I

940
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Speaker 12: use it all the time, and it's a powerful tool.

941
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Speaker 12: If you use correctly, it can benefit a lot of people.

942
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Speaker 12: But you know, again change takes placemen.

943
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Speaker 7: You change.

944
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Speaker 11: You got to change with the time then and yesterday

945
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Speaker 11: yesterday and today is today, and people have to get

946
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Speaker 11: on board. And that's what we have to start keeping

947
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Speaker 11: our young people. You know, look at this is what's

948
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Speaker 11: going on today, not what we did yesterday. And so

949
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Speaker 11: with that being said, you know, Bill I just want

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Speaker 11: to commend you as well as you call because you

951
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Speaker 11: you are soldiers and see that's what I see. I

952
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Speaker 11: see people like yourself that's changed, willing to take a stand,

953
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Speaker 11: and that's what you did on then, and you've got

954
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Speaker 11: a whole host buffers out there will under staying with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, kall, all right, thank you, thank you. David

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Speaker 1: the real quick right.

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Speaker 6: Well, real quickly listen, David. I love David, and I

958
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 6: always tell David David is the only brother that I

959
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 6: know that could publish the newspaper by itself have been

960
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 6: published many years because he recognized the power of the

961
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Speaker 6: media and that we have to have a voice. I

962
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Speaker 6: just want to say thank you David for everything that

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Speaker 6: you do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, before I let you go, tell us what's

965
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Speaker 1: going to happen this weekend?

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Speaker 6: Bill Well again called this coming says Saturday morning at

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Speaker 6: nineteen thirty two Bella Road.

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Speaker 7: We have our.

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Speaker 6: Regular monthly Brothers November first again, that's nineteen thirty two

970
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Speaker 6: Bell Road, the Powerhouse Ministries and our Brothers is normally

971
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Speaker 6: from ten to twelve and this is just for black males,

972
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Speaker 6: so all black mails is invited. Then Saturday evening at

973
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Speaker 6: seven o'clock. We're gonna be at the Pipe Theater which

974
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Speaker 6: is at nine twenty one Writers Town Road, and we'll

975
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Speaker 6: be hosting a reception for Zaki and Doctor Coffee, right

976
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Speaker 6: who's coming from Saint Louis, where people can have an

977
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 6: opportunity to listen to Doctor Coffee, to listen to Zakqui Perudi,

978
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 6: they have an opportunity to ask questions. It's no costs,

979
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Speaker 6: of course, you know, we will take donations, and the

980
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 6: donations is basically because I believe in terms that we

981
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 6: have to always be willing to give a guess an offering,

982
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 6: just like when we go to church and we give

983
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 6: an offering, right, So you know, I think it's important

984
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Speaker 6: that we give an offering to activists and people that's

985
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 6: out there fighting for us. So I'm encouraging people to

986
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 6: please come to listen to Zaki as well as to

987
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Speaker 6: meet Zaki and Coffee, because a lots of us have

988
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: heard Zaki on your radio program, but lots of us

989
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: don't know Zaki. I'm saying, I've been knowing this brother

990
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 6: for over forty years and this is one of the

991
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 6: most considered some brothers that that I know that's been

992
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 6: out there on the front line on many, many minute levels,

993
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 6: and have taught me a lot of stuff in terms

994
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 6: of my political views. I mean, me and him may

995
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 6: not agree exactly on everything, but he has certainly been

996
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 6: a mentor to me. So I want to give people

997
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 6: an opportunity to meet this great man.

998
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Bill, thank you, and thank you

999
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: for what you do in Baltimore, and thank you for

1000
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: putting the book again.

1001
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 10: The book still available, yes, sir, Yes, sir.

1002
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 13: People could just go to my Facebook page and either

1003
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 13: people could call me directly at four one zero seven

1004
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 13: four CITs three sits oh seven and uh they could

1005
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 13: pick a copy up from me, or I can send

1006
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 13: him a copy, yes, sir, title.

1007
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: Book By the way, Family is America and Crumblin. And

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00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: thanks Bill, Thanks for sharing your thoughts for us this morning.

1009
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 6: No, thank you.

1010
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Eight minutes after Tompa out and joined by now to

1011
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Speaker 1: media analysts from the York City, we were talking about

1012
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Speaker 1: Reggie Thomas, Grand Rising, Reggie right a right, we're good.

1013
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: And Wayne Gilmer is also with us, Grand rise.

1014
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 4: In Wayne, Yeah, Grand Rising, Carl, how you doing.

1015
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: We're still learning, brothers. So let me let's let's talk

1016
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: about the race in your city. That's what the there's

1017
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: probably the biggest race they're going to be watching next

1018
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: week when on election Day early voting has started. And

1019
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts, What's what's the what's the feeling

1020
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: first about the race in New York City? Is it changed?

1021
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: Because I understand that a lot of people have already

1022
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Speaker 1: been to the polls. Let start, Reggie, what what Reggie?

1023
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: What are you hearing on the ground?

1024
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 7: What I'm hearing on the ground is that there's a

1025
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 7: lot of money from the billionaires in the New York

1026
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 7: metro who are throwing their money behind Cuomo, millions and

1027
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Speaker 7: millions of dollars, including people like like Bloomberg and and

1028
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Speaker 7: uh and and you know Bloomberg, Uh, you know it.

1029
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Speaker 7: I was kind of a little surprised to hear that,

1030
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Speaker 7: But then and then again I said, I maybe not.

1031
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Speaker 7: You know, Mom, Donnie is bringing a whole different ballgame

1032
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 7: to the UH to the city. And and I think

1033
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 7: people are scared. I think people are scared. I think

1034
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 7: the very wealthy are scared. One of the things that

1035
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 7: you got to note about New York more than a

1036
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 7: lot of other cities is that it's a huge, huge,

1037
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 7: melting pot of uh, just this incredibly diverse culture. And

1038
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Speaker 7: and this is kind of one of the reasons why

1039
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Speaker 7: we're going through in this country right now with the

1040
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Speaker 7: Heritage Foundation, the fact that the electorate has changed so

1041
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 7: dramatically that the very very wealthy are very concerned about

1042
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 7: the fact that their agendas will not matter. And that's

1043
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Speaker 7: what they're fighting in New York. They don't want the

1044
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 7: diverse electorate to change the desires and wants of the

1045
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 7: very very wealthy in New York metro area.

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Speaker 1: All right, let them out the top of that way.

1047
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to ask you because I know you

1048
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: grew up in Brooklyn, and they said most of the

1049
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Speaker 1: voters who have cast their ballots are from King's County.

1050
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Speaker 1: All Brooklyn Knights have voted. Is there any the way

1051
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: you can read into those tea leaves sin many of

1052
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: the voters in Brooklyn lead the people who are going

1053
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: to the polls who may have been at an advantage.

1054
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Speaker 4: Now, well, it's going to be interesting to see what's

1055
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: going on because basically the polls are they're saying that

1056
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of older voters casting ballots compared

1057
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Speaker 4: to what happened during the primary. The primary contests. A

1058
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Speaker 4: lot of people, particularly I would say, to the New

1059
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 4: York area, depending upon what the race is and the candidates,

1060
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Speaker 4: a lot of them don't show up for a primary.

1061
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Speaker 4: But now they've gotten a good look at Zaram and Danny,

1062
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 4: and whether you like him or not, he presents well,

1063
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: he projects well. He's a member of the state legislature

1064
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: at the moment, he hasn't had citywide experience. He talks

1065
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Speaker 4: about issues that a lot of people are not entirely

1066
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Speaker 4: comfortable with, like what Reggie just mentioned him over ago,

1067
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Speaker 4: especially the Old Guard and quite frankly, a couple of

1068
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Speaker 4: weeks before the primary back in June, that race was

1069
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Speaker 4: really for Andrew Clomo to lose. But Cuomo, I mean,

1070
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Speaker 4: and this is just my perception. I think there's a

1071
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Speaker 4: feeling that, you know, I'm an established stack. I come,

1072
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Speaker 4: the Cuomo family name has been around for a while

1073
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Speaker 4: here in New York, and I think there was an arrogance.

1074
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Speaker 4: Did that he felt that I got this contest. It

1075
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Speaker 4: wasn't until a week before Mondani was just out in

1076
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Speaker 4: the street campaigning. He's still doing that. He's showing up

1077
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Speaker 4: in all the right places, and then you have the

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Speaker 4: controversy you have the controversy with what Andrew Cuomo went

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Speaker 4: through having to resign from office and disgrace, and even

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Speaker 4: though he's been clear to a certain extent, that does

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Speaker 4: not necessarily resonate with all New Yorkers. But when you

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Speaker 4: look at the experience he's had compared to when you

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Speaker 4: juxtapose it to Mandemi, he doesn't really I mean, depending

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Speaker 4: upon the older voters, I think that Mandemi is like

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Speaker 4: Infra Route awakening and the late lately, in the last

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Speaker 4: week or so their polls that is showing that Cuomo's

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Speaker 4: inching up. I don't know if he could take it

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Speaker 4: by Tuesday. Certainly, there are a lot of people out

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Speaker 4: there concerned because Danny has said some things that are

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Speaker 4: now you know, coming up about his past, particularly as

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Speaker 4: it pertains to the war in the Middle East. You know,

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Speaker 4: he has not condemned Hamas, he has not walked back

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Speaker 4: his comments about global and defather and all those issues

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Speaker 4: are going to be an issue in a ballot box.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you for that. And now he's fourteen half

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Speaker 1: the top there. Reggie Reggie Wayne mentioned that most of

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Speaker 1: the voters who cast their ballot so far in the

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Speaker 1: in the election are older voters. How do you see that?

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Speaker 1: Do you see the older people going for Let me

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Speaker 1: just tell the family what's the stake he is? Soa

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Speaker 1: Mandani is running on the Democratic ticket. He says he's

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Speaker 1: a Democratic Socialist and we talked about that a few

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Speaker 1: days ago. What that is? Also, Curtie Sleeer is representing

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Speaker 1: the Republicans, he's on the GOP side. And also we

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Speaker 1: have a former governor, Andrew Cromo who's running as an independent,

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Speaker 1: and current mayor who dropped out of the race and

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Speaker 1: supporting Cuomo, Eric Addam. So all these dynamics and are

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Speaker 1: taking place, and people are watching this race all across

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Speaker 1: the country because the Democrats are having a hard time

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Speaker 1: finding their footing and that some say this is the

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Speaker 1: way they should go do. What what mndamie's doing, you

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Speaker 1: know some of the things that he has in his platform,

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Speaker 1: I should use that nationwide. But Reggie, my question to you,

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Speaker 1: does that show with it what Wayne just said the

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Speaker 1: older voters are older? Does that mean that these older

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Speaker 1: voters are going would go for Cuomo? Because Mandomide seems

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Speaker 1: to have a young, young voting a side locked up.

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Speaker 1: How do you see it? Have we lost Reggie Wayne.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, better than what happened. Okay, Yeah, that was all mute.

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Speaker 7: From what I understand, I'm sorry. From what I understand,

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Speaker 7: the older voters are coming from the wealthier neighborhoods in

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Speaker 7: Manhattan and Brooklyn, the Jewish enclaves in Brooklyn. These older

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Speaker 7: voters are the wealthier voters that are coming out for Cuomo.

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Speaker 7: And while Cuomo superPAC has raised roughly forty million dollars,

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Speaker 7: Madami has the number that's showing that going into the

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Speaker 7: race he could win even though his superpack has only

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Speaker 7: raised about ten million. And from what I understand, cartis

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Speaker 7: Lee was efforts, his super pac has raised about a

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Speaker 7: million dollars. So what I understand is that it's the while,

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Speaker 7: the while the older voters are coming out on a

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Speaker 7: little heavier scale in early voting, they are mostly going

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Speaker 7: for Cuomo and our wealthier voters.

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Speaker 1: Right right, and hold that though right there a side

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Speaker 1: for a few months. We'll come back with inteer this conversation, family,

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Speaker 1: this is the racist of what people are gonna be

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Speaker 1: watching next next Tuesday election day, the New York mayor race.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? You want to join this conversation,

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Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and will take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and grand rising family, thanks to staying

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Speaker 1: with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hunt day.

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Speaker 1: That means we're halfway through the work week. I guess too.

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Speaker 1: New York broadcasters and media analysts are Reggie Thomas and

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: Wayne Gill, and they're looking at the race next week.

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Speaker 1: The all eyes are on this in New York City

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Speaker 1: where the Zoram and Dolly who describes himself as a

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Speaker 1: democratic socialist, and when he's been leading in the polls,

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Speaker 1: but the polls are starting to titan and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of folks went to the polls earlier in early voting.

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Speaker 1: As a regip pointed out there, most of them were

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Speaker 1: elderly or older. As you say, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: disparage anybody about their age, but they're on the on

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Speaker 1: the older side, if you will. And the young people

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Speaker 1: have not yet shown up. So Wayne, let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this, do you expect a surge of young people

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Speaker 1: to come in by Tuesday or on Tuesday? Is it again? Now?

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Speaker 1: The vote's going to determine the win off race in

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Speaker 1: New York City.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question, you know, and I would assume

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Speaker 4: that a lot of young people have already been to

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Speaker 4: the polls to a certain extent. But obviously the next

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Speaker 4: Tuesday is going to be the deciding factor, and some people,

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Speaker 4: you know, would rather wait for the contraditional vote day

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Speaker 4: and things like that. But you know, there's just been

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Speaker 4: so much fueling the man Denny Race. He's become a

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Speaker 4: national face for the Democratic Party. He's been branded as

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Speaker 4: being a socialist and a lot of his ideas just

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Speaker 4: on a poll I've read this morning that not many

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Speaker 4: I guess the assessment has been half and half. Some

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Speaker 4: of New Yorkers agree with some of his ideas about

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Speaker 4: free affairs for people who recording must a regular basis.

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Speaker 4: You have people who feel that the whole issue about

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Speaker 4: a red freeze is impossible and I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 4: And then the city government running grocery stores are certain

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Speaker 4: designated grocery stores to help out with the issues of

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Speaker 4: you know, those areas where people are not getting it off,

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Speaker 4: especially in the precipice staff benefits and things like that.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of people are very unhappy about

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Speaker 4: what's going on. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: it's going to be interesting to see what happens in

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Speaker 4: the final analysis. But they're saying that if it was

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Speaker 4: a two man race Mandanny and Cuomo, Cuomo's numbers go

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Speaker 4: up at least a good five percent. I think it's

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Speaker 4: Cuomo forty Mandandy's still at forty four. But with Curtis

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Speaker 4: Slee with a picture, he still has that Republican vote,

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Speaker 4: and Slave was said, he's not moving. Here's a guy

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Speaker 4: who spent most of his life life not just a

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Speaker 4: political activism from a Republican point of view, but he's

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Speaker 4: been on radio as long as you and I have been, Carl.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've known Curtis for a number of years

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Speaker 4: and he's been married three times. The joke is former

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Speaker 4: Governor David Pattison endorsed Cuomo after walking back his support

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Speaker 4: for him yesterday, and Curtis was ready to come out

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Speaker 4: and give Pattison a singer. And it's personal because I

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Speaker 4: understand that David Pattison is now married to Curtis Lee

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Speaker 4: was ex wife. It's not his first wife, the second wife.

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Speaker 4: So you got everything is getting personal now. So it's

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Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see what happens in the

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Speaker 4: long run.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me go, Richie, let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this question. Interesting, Wayne, Thank you for that. Twenty four

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Speaker 1: minutes after top aur family, Reggie tell media giants in

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Speaker 1: New York City analyzing the race next week is everybody's

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Speaker 1: be watching this race in New York City because Democrats

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Speaker 1: are looking for a spot to go. They're looking for

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Speaker 1: a landing where they can move on and CounterPunch. So, Reggie,

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Speaker 1: my question to you is if Donald Trump succumbs out

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Speaker 1: and support Cromo and ignores the Republican in the party

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Speaker 1: that Wayne mentioned that is Curti Sleier, would that caused

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Speaker 1: some problem? Is Donald Trump in an old win situation?

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Speaker 1: Does he have to support Curti Sleier because Curti Sleiveer

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Speaker 1: is the Republican on the race. But obviously everyone knows.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not seeing that. I'm saying that that that

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Speaker 7: the executive in the White House is Uh pushing his

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Speaker 7: support for Cuomo, as is many of the billionaires who

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Speaker 7: supported Uh the executive in the White House. Those people

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Speaker 7: are supporting people know that Fleewood probably doesn't have a

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Speaker 7: chance in hack. The thing is is that I think

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Speaker 7: with CuMo you might find that he'll be in a

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Speaker 7: situation much like the current mayor is in as it

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Speaker 7: relates to the president having to if you know, I

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Speaker 7: think Cuomo does when he'll have to go and kiss

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Speaker 7: the ring and and and credit will be given to

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Speaker 7: the current executive in the White House of helping him win. However,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's always going to come down to the people,

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Speaker 7: and the New New York is a horse of a

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Speaker 7: different color when you look at this country and it's

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Speaker 7: electorate and who's now let me say this, this is

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Speaker 7: the one thing that has been a concern of mine

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Speaker 7: in this election is the presence of ICE at the

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Speaker 7: polls and how that could affect people's desire and their

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Speaker 7: willingness to come out and vote. And I'll leave it

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Speaker 7: right there.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, no, before I go, is ICE going to

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Speaker 1: be at the polls? Why would ICE be at the

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Speaker 1: polls if you're not if you're undocumented that if no, no.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, they're not. They're not just going after

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Speaker 7: undocumented people. People that would that have been snatched up

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Speaker 7: by this organization were not just uh undocumented. There's a

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Speaker 7: lot of American citizens that have been that have been

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Speaker 7: pulled up by that. The The concerned is that even

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Speaker 7: though people know that they are uh uh citizens, the

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Speaker 7: fact that they would have to go through all of

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Speaker 7: that drama of being possibly detained or even roughed up,

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Speaker 7: you know, uh is the concern of folks. You've got

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Speaker 7: folks that have citizenship that may have undocumented folks in

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Speaker 7: their household that a lot of folks don't want statics,

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Speaker 7: So what they end up doing is staying away and

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Speaker 7: and and that's just that's just something that I have

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Speaker 7: in the back of my head. I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 7: gonna happen, but I think it's something that we need

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Speaker 7: to consider as it relates to who actually comes out

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Speaker 7: of votes.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: That has a very excellent point there, because we've already

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Speaker 4: seen in recent weeks, not necessarily outside polling stations, but

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Speaker 4: in the uh the food vendors in our community in

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Speaker 4: parts of the city. Ice has descended on those locations

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Speaker 4: and picked up American citizens more or less people of color,

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Speaker 4: based on what I've seen on the TV screen, and

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Speaker 4: have locked them up, you know, without just because they're

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Speaker 4: selling food and they thinking those who are involved in

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Speaker 4: us thinking that these are people who are not documented,

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Speaker 4: and and they're a good number of them. But you know,

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Speaker 4: the President is trying to do what he's done in

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Speaker 4: other urban ports of call in this country and to

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Speaker 4: instill fear so that people will not come out. But

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Speaker 4: I don't know, no, I think I think it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a different atmosphere here in New York, you know.

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Speaker 4: And then we also have across the river the New

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Speaker 4: Jersey contest, the gulbinatorial race there. Everybody's looking at that.

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Speaker 4: You have Mikey Sheryl, the congresswoman, and somebody who's been

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Speaker 4: running a number of gubernatorial campaigns, Jacksonarelli, and those numbers

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Speaker 4: are closed, but it looks like Cheryl may pull it off,

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Speaker 4: you know. So it's gonna be interesting. You have a

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Speaker 4: traditional Democrat on the Jersey side, and here in New York,

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Speaker 4: if Man Denny gets in, uh, they've labeled him a

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Speaker 4: Democrat socialist, and he hasn't even gotten the support of

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Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer, who's the highest ranking Democratic, uh was short

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Speaker 4: of the governor in the state of New York. And

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Speaker 4: and a lot of the old guard who you know,

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Speaker 4: they've they've been sitting on defense. It wasn't until last

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Speaker 4: week that Hakim Jeffery is the House Minority leader through

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Speaker 4: his support behind me and Daddy because he sees where

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Speaker 4: the political title tuddle wave is going. But a lot

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Speaker 4: of them are just not comfortable with that socialists platform

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Speaker 4: that he is put down. And it's just gonna be

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Speaker 4: interesting to see what happens Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: All right, thirty minutes at the top of how interesting

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that, because that's gonna my next question, I'll

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Speaker 1: posed to Reggie. But he mentioned that that Keem Jefferies

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Speaker 1: finally decided to endorse mandonne In in the race, and

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Speaker 1: despite people say he wouldn't do it because of a pak,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer hasn't move. Then we know why because he's there.

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Speaker 1: You know, he that's his base and he's just wanted

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Speaker 1: to u uh it, doesn't want to get his base

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Speaker 1: all upset with him if he endorses a mandonne So

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Speaker 1: I don't think Madonna's gonna look for endorsement from uh

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Speaker 1: from Chuck Schumer. But Reggie we ain't mentioned that the

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Speaker 1: race across the river in Jersey, the gubernatorial race. How

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Speaker 1: is this the same issues like New York. He's gonna

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01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: is gonna turn on who gets out of the people

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: to vote. Is it turnout, it's gonna be in both races.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts.

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Speaker 7: Well, and then the race in Jersey is a lot

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01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 7: closer uh than it is in in in New York.

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Speaker 7: Going back to what you guys were talking about with Schumer, Uh,

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Speaker 7: Schumer is not going to endorse mont DOMI because Schumer

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Speaker 7: gets a lot of money from the wealthy Democratic Jews

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Speaker 7: in New York. I don't I think that, uh, that

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Speaker 7: that thatteen Jiffy's doesn't look at them as a as

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Speaker 7: as in his cauldron, which is why he went in

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Speaker 7: the direction of Mam Donnie. I think that he looked

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Speaker 7: at that and said, well, you know, my people are

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01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 7: you know, the the general working class, the people who

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01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 7: are in the struggle, the young people who are trying

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01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 7: to make it in in uh in New York, where

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Speaker 7: as Schuma is part of the old guard who who

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 7: gets his support from the much wealthier folks. But in

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Speaker 7: this particular case, they are they're looking more towards Como Cuomo,

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Speaker 7: even though these people are also uh, the Republican president's supporter.

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Speaker 9: In New York.

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Speaker 7: I'm thinking that with the diversity that the electorate has

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Speaker 7: in New York, that he has a good chance even

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 7: though he hasn't raised as much money. The super Pac

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Speaker 7: hasn't raised as much money as as as Cuomo. I

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01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 7: still think that, uh, it's going to be going in

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Speaker 7: his direction. And part of that is because, you know,

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01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 7: when you come into office with with baggage. I mean,

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Speaker 7: you look at what happened with Cuomo as a governor,

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Speaker 7: and you know, and you look at the fact that

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Speaker 7: many voters are women, and his problem has been with uh,

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Speaker 7: with dealing with women who have worked for man. You know,

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Speaker 7: you you don't win their hearts over again. They don't forget,

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 7: they don't forget, and they don't want to see somebody

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Speaker 7: come back in office who's had these problems before. Chronically,

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01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 7: Cuomo is going on the you know, the something that

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 7: you know, his dad, Marrio you know, was uh you know,

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 7: uh a legacy, uh, you know, politician in New York,

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Speaker 7: so he should follow suit. And I think that that

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 7: has changed a lot of those young people don't know

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Speaker 7: who Maria Cuomo was, you know, I do, you do,

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 7: Wayne does. But a lot of these young folks set

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01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 7: up that have the power to vote now that they

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 7: don't they don't have that history with the Cuomo family.

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Speaker 7: They know Andrew. They know quick from CNN and whatever

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01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 7: he's doing now, but it's a it's a different ball.

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Speaker 1: Game now, right and all are they're reach iman. I

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01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: just got a tweeted from my brother in Buffalo. Uh,

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: and I'll get you guys to respond to what he says.

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01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 1: It's just black women are powering those against the Cuomo

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01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: abuse and scandal, building trades and wealthy back Cuomo. But

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01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: the voters are voting Mandamie, he says, the nations don't

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01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: vote people do his ground game and he's referring to

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01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: Mondonna now is person to person like other major races

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: in New York State, Buffalo and Syracuse, the people used

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: are used to beating the machine. So Wayne, uh, this

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01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: is the method that Mandonni's using, you know, pressing the

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Speaker 1: flesh and out there. That's going to add to Cuomo.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts and and you've also mentioned that

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Speaker 1: the women issue too, that I think you mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 4: I have to agree with him. I really feel, as

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01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 4: I said before, you know, and Danny has had a

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Speaker 4: very spirited, aggressive campaign. Cuomo just assumed, based on what

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01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 4: Poles was saying back before the primary, that it was

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01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 4: his contest to lose. And you know, like the guy

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 4: back in the day knew his father and all that,

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01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 4: and Reggie's completely right. Legacy politics does not fly anymore.

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01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 4: I don't care what part of the country you're in,

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 4: you know. And it's just one of those things. There

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01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 4: was an arrogance about him, and Reverie Sharpton brought it

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 4: up the other day during one of his appearances on

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 4: MSNBC that if he had come out more aggressively against

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: mandect maybe he would have had a fighting chance. But man, Denny,

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01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 4: you know, he was out in the street, as he said,

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01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 4: pressing flesh, going to different places. And not only that,

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01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 4: he and is a growing number of Hindus and Muslims

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01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 4: in this community here in the last twenty years or so,

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01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 4: and they're all of different nationalities, and he's got a

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 4: lock on both groups, and a lot of them if

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01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 4: you see them, you know, during his press briefings and

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 4: things like that, they want to see somebody that looks

1383
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 4: like him in you know, running the city of New York. Now,

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 4: whether he can get away with half the things he's

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 4: promising is a different story. But you know, again, I'm

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 4: not looking to throw shade at at Andrew Cuomo. He

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01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 4: left in disgrace. But it's interesting I have found on

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01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 4: my just personal analysis of women I've talked to, most

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 4: black women didn't think much of that scandal that went

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Speaker 4: on with Cuomo with women in his office, and there

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01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 4: were largely white women. I don't know of anyone of

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 4: color who came forward. I know the State Attorney General

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Speaker 4: Tis James.

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Speaker 1: I thought right there when we got to step asud

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01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: and get caught up in the lates news, trafficking weather

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Speaker 1: and not different stations. When we come back, I'll let

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01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: you finish your thought. Also, I want to hear from

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01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: both of you brothers about the black vote. What the

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01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: black vote Black New York is going to do? What

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01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: are they who are they going to vote for? What

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01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four to five zero

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01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. That's the number to call if

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01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: you'd like to join this conversation, and we'll take the

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01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: calls after the news trafficking weather, that's next. And Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning,

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01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: and we're talking politics with two New Yorkers Reggie Thomas

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: and Wayne Gilbert, the media analysts and discussing the race.

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01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: That's the key race people are going to be watching

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01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: next Tuesday, along with the Goobernatorial race in New Jersey

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01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: and also the one in Virginia as well. Before we

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01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: go back to Reggie and Wayne Element just remind you

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01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: come up late this morning. We're gonna speak with licensed

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01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: Mental Health accountcilout to Jason Anthony Predegatta. Jason is going

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01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: to dispel, dispel to make the black men do not

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: support their children or in their children's lives. It's going

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01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: to come with the numbers as well. Before we hear

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01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: from him speaking around numbers, brother Keel all that math.

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01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: He's going to join us as well, and tomorrow futuristic

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01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: research about the cdke Bacar will be here. So if

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01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio

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01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: locked in tent on ten ten w LB or we're

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01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: in the DMV run fourteen fifty w L. All right,

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01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: I think was what's speaking? Ready?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, right? I so much has happened. It was

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01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 4: a long stop set there, but you know it's it's

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01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see what happens on Tuesday.

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01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 4: And and as you mentioned, just a moment ago, uh,

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01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 4: I just heard the spot for the goobernatorial contest and

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01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 4: uh in Virginia with Barack Obama endorsing the candidate, the

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01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 4: Democratic candidate. He's also visiting the tri state area here

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01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 4: over the weekend because he's going to be on a

1432
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 4: stump for Mickey Cheryl in New Jersey. So it's Tuesday

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 4: is going to be a rude awakening for the country

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 4: with respect to what's going on with Democrats especially. I

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 4: just find it interesting, let.

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: Me for a second, as a Barack Obama got involved

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01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: in the New York City mayor race.

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Speaker 4: Yet you know, it's interesting. I heard Kamila Harris endorse

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 4: man Danny, but I have not heard. It's been like

1440
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 4: radio with regard to Baraca that and I'm kind of

1441
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 4: curious about that. You know, he's still the face of

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01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party leadership quite as it's kept. And again

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01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 4: he could be all though he can be among those

1444
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 4: like Schumer Biden for that matter, because he's still you know,

1445
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 4: with us, there's so many other people out there who

1446
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: have not come out, and a lot a lot of

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01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 4: it is because they're concerned about this socialist image. And

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01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 4: you know, you have aos see and from oh boy,

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01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 4: I have a senior mind, I need another cup of coffee.

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01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 4: But there have been people who've been on a stump

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01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 4: who basically are either Independence of Democrats who have come

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01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 4: out to support Man Danny, but he has not had

1453
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 4: you know, the traditional Democrat. So that's gonna be the

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01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 4: litmus test. I'm not saying that they won't throw their

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01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 4: support behind him. And as you mentioned just before the break,

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: the issue of the black vote. You know, there are

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01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 4: a lot of people who are going to support Eric

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01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 4: Adams and I from what I understand based on polls

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01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 4: that I've read, the Bronx has not come out in

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01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 4: large numbers to throw any support behind any of the candidates.

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01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 4: You know, So maybe they're waiting till Tuesday. But it's

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Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think of it out a siment way.

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01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,919
Speaker 1: There's a lot of voter apathy, especially in the Bronxes,

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: so they may not show out. So Reggie, the question

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Speaker 1: to ask you with an endorsement friend Donald Trump or

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Donal Trump has already jumped in the race. Barack Obama

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01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: of course, that too much of that. As Wayn mentioned

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01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: that socialist tack because he was accused of being a

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Speaker 1: socialist and that might turn the election a different way

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: if he comes out and supports man Donnie. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that's the issue?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, one of the things that you gotta understand.

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01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 7: I don't know if you remember, uh, the concern about

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01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:42,759
Speaker 7: so in the past, when it comes to actors Bill Cosby,

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01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 7: Eddie Murphy, they were always very cautious on how they

1477
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 7: used this celebrity. You wouldn't see them on every TV commercial,

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 7: emery opportunity to be on TV because they are you know,

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01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 7: they were the gold standard. The same thing applies to politicians.

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01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 7: Even though New York is a very very tenuous race

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01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 7: and it's going to be very important that the right

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 7: person goes into Gracie Mansion, I think that Barack might

1483
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 7: be a little bit cautious because his endorsement is usually

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01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 7: reserved for the very very very important races and usually

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01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:42,480
Speaker 7: more on the national level. Now, recently I saw commercials

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01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 7: for featuring Barack Obama as it relates to the the

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01:24:51,439 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 7: changing of the voter districts in California's big deal can

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01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 7: answers because the California is the fourth largest economy on

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01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 7: planet Earth. So getting those people to change their district

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01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 7: thing to counter out what the VP is doing in

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01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:23,480
Speaker 7: other parts of the country, especially in Texas, because California

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 7: is the largest state in the Union, followed by Texas,

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01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 7: followed by Florida. New York is fourth, but the majority

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 7: of the New York population is in New York City,

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Speaker 7: those five boroughs, Nasau, Suffolk, Westchester, and maybe a little

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Speaker 7: bit outside of Westchester like Rockland, putting them Dutchess Counties.

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Speaker 7: That's it. The rest of the state is very, very sparse.

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Speaker 7: I think that I think that what if Barack has

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Speaker 7: not stepped in his kids thinking, might be New York

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01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,919
Speaker 7: will kind of like handle itself because it's so diverse

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01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 7: and it's so populated in one part of the state.

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01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 7: In a place like California, where the where the decision

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 7: that Gavin Newsom made to redistrict you know, the state

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01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 7: of California to go against those votes that that the

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01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 7: GOP jerry mandering and the rest of the country really

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01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 7: really really important. Huge population from the top to the

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01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 7: bottom of the state. Huge economy, very very important because

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01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 7: California plays a huge role. And how who's going to

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Speaker 7: control the the Senate and Congress UH moving forward now

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Speaker 7: I'm still of the belief that we have to get

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01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 7: to the midterm elections. I there, you know, uh, Michael

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01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 7: Michael Baize used to say fracking knackle bull that I

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01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 7: think that's what we could be facing, you know, going

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01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 7: towards the midterm elections. And I'm just you know, holding

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01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 7: my breath, acrossing my fingers and making sure that the

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01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 7: Lord steps in and and and and has a role

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01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 7: in helping helping things become right.

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Speaker 1: All right. Eight away from the top that Wayne, he

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01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 1: mentioned the midterm elections. Do you think we're because some

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01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: people talk having said that Donald Trump says he's going

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01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: to run for the next election in regardless of what

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01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: the constitution says. Do you think we'll have midterms?

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01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 4: You know, I think we are, and I really think that,

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01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,839
Speaker 4: you know, he's trying to set the mood for people

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01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 4: to believe there be a fair factor f ear factor

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01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 4: with respect to coming out the vote. But you know,

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01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 4: we had seven million people two weeks ago with this

1528
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 4: No More Kings campaign. Every time that they staged one

1529
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 4: of those events and the numbers go up. They actually

1530
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 4: had a similar campaign in England the same weekend. You know,

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01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 4: this is a global thing. That you know, he is

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01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 4: basically provided so much chaos and he's just so counter

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01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 4: what we are accustomed to as Americans in this country.

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01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 4: And the one thing that I will say that he

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01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 4: has done successfully, he has shown how vulnerable we are

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01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 4: that they're things in the Constitution. Can you imagine if

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01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 4: Barack Obama had taken the East wing of the White

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01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 4: House and decided that he wanted to put something up

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01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 4: so that he would be memorialized forever as having done

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01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 4: something there. I mean, presidents have come and gone and

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01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 4: they've made changes. But you know, a ball room that's

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01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 4: almost twice the size of the existing White House. I mean,

1543
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 4: what's that about? And even further, Luke, what's going on

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01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 4: in the Caribbean. You know, it's like everything is about

1545
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 4: fear fear. You know, you can't even go out if

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01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,919
Speaker 4: you're a fisherman in Trinidad or Venezuela board a boat. Everything.

1547
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 4: Oh no, we have we have empirical information. They're they're

1548
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 4: they're moving drugs out of the country, bringing them to

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01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 4: the States.

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01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, whod on second regianeous referend to, which

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01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: hasn't been widely reported, and two of the fishermen that's

1552
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: so called with suppose they haven't running drug boats a fishman,

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01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: they're from Trinidad, Trinidad and Tobaco and Trinidad as a

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01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: current president or prime minister, correct me for which one

1555
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: is when it is coming up to Donald Trump's become

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01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: a Trump, sir. And there's an ongar issue with the

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01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Venezuela and Trinidad and the ongoing issue with Venezuela and

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01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: the United States. So we got to keep an eye

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01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: on the halopa.

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01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I might you know, not to cut you off,

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01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 4: Carl with respect to that, because the Prime Minister's name

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01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 4: is Kembela Bassar. And the deal is is that there

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01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 4: has been so much violence because of what's going on

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01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 4: in Venezuela. Venezuelan is leaving that country and going from

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01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 4: Venezuela to Trinidad is like leaving New Jersey coming to

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01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 4: New York. You could parts of Trinidad. You could actually

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01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 4: see Caracas, the capital of Veezuela. And the deal is,

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01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 4: the crime has been so out of control in Trinidad.

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01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 4: You know, it's one thing for her to come out

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01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 4: and say, you know, we want the American troops in

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01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 4: this region. My mom, uh my, parents grew up in Trindidad.

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01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 4: They're Trinidadians and uh and America always had a base

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01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 4: in Trinidad in Port of Spain, going back to the forties.

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01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 4: My mom worked at one of them as a child.

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01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 4: So so the deal is is that the relationship between

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01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 4: the United States and the American government is nothing new.

1577
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 4: But what everybody's objecting to the rest of the Caribbean region,

1578
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 4: and rightfully so, is the fact that she's leaning towards

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01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 4: getting Trump's support. But what I look at, will the

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01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 4: rest of the Caribbean step in to to to help

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01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 4: eliminate some of the rampant violence that's going on to

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01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 4: the island, and we're very concerning.

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Speaker 1: Wants to make a point, we'll come back. We'll speak

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01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: with Reggie's three minutes away from the top. They our

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01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: faunily to New York media analysts with us Reggie Thomas

1586
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: and Wayne Gilman. You want to join this discussion with them,

1587
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six of the taket phone calls

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01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: after the traffic and weather Together's and Grand Rising family,

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01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling the list on this Wednesday morning and

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01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 1: we're talking politics at Reggie Thomas and Wayne Gilman. I'm

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01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: more material. We're going to talk mathematics with brother Akhieley Parker,

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01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: but let's just start with the Reggie and Wayne because

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01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: their focus. We started the focus on the New York

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01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 1: City mayoral race next Tuesday. This is when, well next Wednesday,

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01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: we'll find out who was the winner. And there's three

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01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: key races on the ballots for next week. We mentioned

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01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the Good Natil races in New Jersey and in Virginia,

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01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and the Democratic and the mayoral race in New York

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Speaker 1: City because the leading the polls right now is Zoran

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01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Mandani and if he does hold on, he could become

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01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: the face of the Democratic Party. And this is where

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01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the Democrats will have to dig in where they're going

1604
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: to support him all heartily or where they're going to

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01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: have it because they're still floundering Democrats still haven't you know.

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01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: I saw a poll recently and Pete Budhachetz was the

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01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 1: leading votes and people thought of who's the leading of

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01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party even being out Newsome in California, come

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01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 1: I came in second. So the Democrats are still flound

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01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: in trying to find the leaders trying to find a theme,

1611
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: a message, and it may crystallize if Mandani wins the

1612
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: race next Tuesday. But I know, Reggie, you wanted to

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01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: say something.

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01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, we were talking about Venezuela and the

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01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 7: drug boats. There's a bigger picture here. So look at

1616
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 7: all the deals that have been cut with Ukraine natural

1617
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 7: resources of the chief executive is in Japan right now.

1618
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 7: The deal relates to natural resources and these precious metals

1619
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 7: for computers. The focus has been on the drug boats. However,

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01:33:57,320 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 7: if you take a deeper look at this venue has

1621
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 7: some of the largest oil reserves on planet Earth. And

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01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 7: when you see the mass UH, the massive staging of

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01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 7: military UH units and hardware in the Caribbean off the

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01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,799
Speaker 7: coast of Venezuela. Even Lindsay Graham was on TV yesterday

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 7: talking about UH, you know, to some degree, a land

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01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 7: a landfall of these military people, the surry for drugs.

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01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 7: I also know that they say that they want to

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01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 7: go after Maduro. But the other thing to look out

1629
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 7: for is what will become of Venezuela's natural resources.

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01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm rep of this section saying that Mandura's offered

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01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: the resources to UH. The United States he's offer and

1632
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: down till rejectam. It's interested down there is regime change,

1633
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: and I think this is what most of the political analysts,

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01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: so we got to keep an eye on that as

1635
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: well say something.

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01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 4: Well, I was just going to piggyback on what Reggie

1637
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: was saying. That whole region, including Trinidad, has oil fields

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01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 4: that have been very profitable for the country, unlike some

1639
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 4: of the parts of the Caribbean where tourism is the

1640
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 4: big player. You know, they've been blessed to have. I

1641
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 4: think Trinidad alone supplies most of the natural liquid gas

1642
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 4: to the eastern United States here. I know up to

1643
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago that was a deal and

1644
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 4: that whole even Diana for that matter, is being is

1645
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 4: coming up with natural resources. But it's the regime change

1646
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 4: that I think that's going to make a difference, because

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01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 4: this guy is a dictator, Maduro, and and as long

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01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 4: as he's in office, it's going to be confidentis with

1649
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 4: regard to Venezuelan wanted to leave the country and go

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01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: to whatever is there by. You have Columbia, you got

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01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 4: Margarita Island, true to that, Tobago, Guyana, all these other

1652
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 4: countries are affected by it, you know, So I agree

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01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 4: with what Reggie said.

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01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 1: All right, six or after the time. I gotta let

1655
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: your brothers go. But again we'll talk after the election.

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01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Our eyes on the election and what it means for

1657
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: the country, because if Zarmadni wins, the Democrats and now

1658
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: unfortunately they have a de facto leader and some people

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01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: are just just are not comfortable with the fact that

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01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: he just says a democratic socialists Andy just say he's

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01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 1: a socialist. They leave out the democratic part. So fellows,

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01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: want to thank you again for sharing your thoughts. To tomorrow.

1663
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: We'll keep watching that races. Well, let's talk after the elections. Okay,

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01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: these brothers have being their analysis was especially the New

1665
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: York race, but also as I mentioned, the gubernatory race

1666
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: in New Jersey and in Virginia. Those are key races

1667
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: to watch. You see, if Donald Trump has cemented this

1668
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: position or MAGA group of sementy their position in the

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01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: country eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight

1670
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: to seventy sixty can need that. I'm gonna speak to

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01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: our next guest, a brother Akil Parker's checking in, Brother

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01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Akil grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

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01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 5: More than brother, are you.

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01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I'm still learning what I'm learning That

1675
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: math is just about everything. You know, we're just talking

1676
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: about elections and who's turning the turnout and who's who,

1677
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: who's doing what, and who's doing It's all comes down

1678
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: to math. And so like you've been saying that for

1679
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: quite some.

1680
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 9: Time, I have, I have, I try trying to scream

1681
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,759
Speaker 9: it from the rooftops, you know when you think about

1682
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 9: you know, And I'm glad that you know that segment

1683
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 9: was all before mind because it's a nice segue into

1684
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 9: the conversation, since you know, politicians made economic decisions that

1685
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 9: affect all of us, and the foundation of economics is mathematics.

1686
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 9: You know, it's the algebra, it's the calculus and everything.

1687
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 9: And I think it also ties into you know, as

1688
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 9: you were saying about uh my daddy in New York City,

1689
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,520
Speaker 9: a lot of people are uncomfortable with him, paturely uncomfortable

1690
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 9: with the idea of socialism. But the fact that the

1691
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 9: matter is a lot of people don't even know what

1692
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 9: socialism is, and a lot of people don't even know

1693
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 9: what capitalism is, and even being able to do a

1694
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 9: real analysis of those those political systems requires mathematical awareness

1695
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 9: and mathematical competency, because when you start talking about you know,

1696
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 9: surchplus value equations and use value theory and all of that, like,

1697
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 9: all of that is algebras. That's that's that's all algebras.

1698
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1699
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 9: And when you really understand those things, then you can

1700
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 9: really do a serious critical analysis of whether you know,

1701
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 9: monopoly capitalism is the best system for for for our people,

1702
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 9: or if socialism is the best system for our people.

1703
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 9: I'm not going to say what system is the best,

1704
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 9: but we can't even really do a real analysis if

1705
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 9: we don't have mathematical understanding and mathematical competency. So math

1706
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 9: is central to all of.

1707
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: This, Well, other kill eight minutes after the time of that.

1708
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 1: If math is central to it, just on math alone,

1709
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: just the numbers a loan, Which would you consider better

1710
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: for our people? Democratic, democratic socialism or capitalism?

1711
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 9: Well, socialism is a system where you know, the people

1712
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 9: are controlling the means, the means of production and the resources.

1713
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 9: Monopoly capitalism, we say, the system that requires poverty. You

1714
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 9: got to have poor people, right, It's a pyramid scheme.

1715
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 9: You know, we know how pyramid schemes work. You know,

1716
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 9: there's always going to be a few controlling most of

1717
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 9: the resources, right, and you're gonna have a bunch of

1718
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 9: have nots. That majority will be have notts that will

1719
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,799
Speaker 9: be fighting over the leftovers, you know, in a socialist system.

1720
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 9: And also another thing I want to say this too,

1721
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 9: because a lot of people will say, you know, it

1722
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 9: doesn't matter what the system is. You know, you got

1723
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 9: good people and bad people. Well, here's the thing about that.

1724
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 9: The capitalist system incentivizes the bad behavior because the privileges

1725
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 9: profit over humanity. So a person has an opportunity to

1726
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 9: you know, you know, to scam or scam or get

1727
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 9: over or cause harm, and as a result they can

1728
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 9: make a million dollars. Then the capitalistm is We're going

1729
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,360
Speaker 9: to make a million dollars and people are gonna start

1730
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 9: people are going to be displaced from their communities through

1731
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 9: gentrification because I'm a real estate investor and I can

1732
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 9: make a million dollars doing that, right, But you know,

1733
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 9: other types of systems, it's like there's no incentive to

1734
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:30,759
Speaker 9: do that because it's not about profit. It's not about

1735
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 9: surplus value. You know, it's not about me, you know,

1736
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 9: having a company or you know, a business where you know,

1737
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,600
Speaker 9: I can't pay a person their true worth because I

1738
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 9: got to make a profit off of there, we're off

1739
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 9: of their labor. Right, So I mean, these are all

1740
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 9: things we got to think about. And another thing we

1741
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 9: got to think about, too, is when we ask that question.

1742
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 9: And I like, I like how you asked the question,

1743
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 9: because you said, you know, for the collectives, right, you

1744
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 9: asked about which is better for the collectives? A lot

1745
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,759
Speaker 9: of people we say, you know, which system is better.

1746
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 9: We don't talk about the specifics of for whom because

1747
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 9: I mean for a few individuals. Yeah, you know, the

1748
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 9: capitalist system. You know, people can benefit from it, you know,

1749
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 9: but it's not a system that can benefit the masses.

1750
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 9: And I think that we should be looking for systems

1751
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,600
Speaker 9: that can benefit the masses of people, not just to

1752
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 9: select few, not just the people that have, you know,

1753
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 9: college degrees, not just the people that you know, have

1754
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,799
Speaker 9: a certain lineage where they come from families that already

1755
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 9: had financial resources. You know, we got to start thinking

1756
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 9: about systems that will benefit everybody. So you don't need

1757
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 9: to have people starving and you know, living on the street,

1758
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,719
Speaker 9: you know, on the ground underneath of you know, expensive

1759
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 9: apartment buildings that have vacancies in them. And then we

1760
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 9: also got to like, you know, disabuse ourselves of all

1761
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 9: the propaganda when people start talking about well, you know,

1762
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 9: if you're homeless, that's your fault. You made poor decisions.

1763
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 9: You know, you should have did better in school and

1764
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 9: all this and that, and not to say that, you know,

1765
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,600
Speaker 9: people could make different personal decisions, but poverty is well calculated.

1766
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 9: You know, this is all this is all planned. People

1767
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 9: are socially engineered into certain positions and you know, to

1768
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,759
Speaker 9: have certain outcomes in order to in order to ensure

1769
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 9: the maintenance of certain systems, you know, and even this

1770
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 9: is like you know, there's there's a mathematical analysis that

1771
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 9: is required to even understand this and even to question

1772
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 9: these things and even to consider these things. So so again,

1773
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 9: like if we're going to have a serious conversation about

1774
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 9: like which system is better or you know, more suitable

1775
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 9: or more feasible, then you know, we got to be

1776
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 9: doing some mathematical analysis to to really do that.

1777
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 1: I like how you put in twelve after the top

1778
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 1: of that family kill Park and math Guru, and that's

1779
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: what we call them, you know, because what you're saying

1780
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: is what doctor Claude and has has been teaching us

1781
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: for quite some time. Somebody's got to win and somebody's

1782
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: got to lose. And this system that's set up, and

1783
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 1: they want us to be the perennial losers. We're the

1784
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 1: Washington Generals and they're the Harlem globe trotters. We're never

1785
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: a master beating them at their game because they control

1786
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: the game, they control all aspects of the game. Is generally,

1787
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 1: is that what you've been applying, brother.

1788
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 9: Camp, Well, definitely, it's a zero sub game, and I

1789
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 9: think we have to make you make a decision. Like

1790
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 9: a lot of people say, well, it is the it is,

1791
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 9: and I agree, I understand. I'm pragmatic enough to understand

1792
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 9: that it is the current system. Right so, because if

1793
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 9: you if we want to access food, clothing, and shelter,

1794
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 9: then we have to essentially play this game. But again,

1795
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 9: what is the end game? Is the end game for

1796
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 9: our children and grandchildren to still be playing this game,

1797
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 9: or is the end game for us to essentially use

1798
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 9: this current system to acquire these this food, clothing, and shelter.

1799
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 9: Now with a goal of creating a different system where

1800
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 9: we don't have to play this game because there could

1801
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 9: be you know, another system where you know, again we

1802
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,839
Speaker 9: don't have to have poverty, right, the system requires poverty.

1803
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 9: So that's these are things that that we have to

1804
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 9: that we have to think about.

1805
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 7: You know, we need to.

1806
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 9: Play play this game and definitely or we could start

1807
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 9: thinking seriously about how to create a different system, which

1808
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 9: you know requires a different game, but we don't have

1809
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 9: these same outcomes. And we also got to you know,

1810
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 9: start just having these conversations with you know, young people

1811
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 9: at a very early age because a lot of people,

1812
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,799
Speaker 9: you know, I'll say this like I had a student

1813
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 9: once upront of Tom Sharp brother you know he's doing

1814
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 9: he's throwing this thing out here. Taught him about maybe

1815
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 9: ten fifteen years ago. Well, we were having you know,

1816
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 9: discussions about you know, economic systems and capitalism and whatnot.

1817
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 9: When you know, he's in high school and I would

1818
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 9: talk to my students about these these topics. And one

1819
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 9: day he said, you know, a fish doesn't know that

1820
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,560
Speaker 9: it's wet, and that that's that that hit me like

1821
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 9: a ton of bricks. It resonated. Wemen's man, that's that's

1822
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 9: kind of deep, man like, because you know, a lot

1823
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 9: of people we grow up in these systems and we

1824
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 9: don't even know that it is something to be analyzed

1825
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 9: or it's something to be questioned. But I think that

1826
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 9: if more of us started analyzing and started questioning and

1827
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 9: started you know, thinking about these systems, then that would

1828
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 9: lead us to saying, well, wait a minute, like why

1829
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 9: why do we have to do things this way? But

1830
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 9: most often, you know, and I'm not even saying, like,

1831
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 9: we don't even have to say, well, let's study the alternatives,

1832
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 9: let's study the current system, and let's have serious and

1833
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 9: honest conversations about the current system and not just the

1834
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 9: very watered down versions that a child might get in

1835
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 9: a you know, a US history class or like you

1836
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 9: know the three weeks you know the three week unit

1837
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 9: and you know the ninth grade world history class that

1838
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 9: are underperforming neo colonial public school or whatever, Like, let's know,

1839
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 9: I have some serious conversation like and not don't even

1840
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 9: go to the necessarily the detractors. Let's go to Adam

1841
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 9: Smith Wealth Nations. Let's read you was talking about talking

1842
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 9: about Trinidad in the last session. Let's let's talk about

1843
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 9: Eric Williams Capitalist with slavery, Let's talk let's get into

1844
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 9: some books and let's really read and let really study

1845
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 9: these systems, and then we can and let's have these

1846
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 9: conversations with very young people and then let the young

1847
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 9: people decide, because they're gonna end up being the adults anyway.

1848
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 9: But a lot of us we grew up and nobody

1849
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 9: ever put us in a position to even question monopoly

1850
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 9: capitalism or even to know what it actually is. It

1851
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 9: was just the all encompassing system that we grew up in,

1852
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 9: so we don't even do.

1853
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 4: Any thing about.

1854
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 9: But then you might start learning about, you know, some

1855
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 9: of our history and revolutionary leaders in the Black Power movement,

1856
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 9: to people like the asside of Cha course and the

1857
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 9: shoe removements and Bobby Shills and Kwame Terrase and people

1858
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 9: like that Malcolm X, even Doctor King toward the end

1859
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 9: of his life, and with their critiques of capitalism, then

1860
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 9: we start to think about it. But let's start doing

1861
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 9: that earlier with the young people.

1862
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, right there, we got to step uside. I got

1863
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: some folks who want to meet you as well a family.

1864
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: You two can join our conversation as a math group.

1865
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: That's a recalling brother Kill Parker out of Philly got

1866
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: a question of comment reach out to us at eight

1867
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll

1868
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next And Grand Rising family, thanks

1869
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 1: for us staying with us on this Wednesday morning. I

1870
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: guess there's a math guru, brother Akil Parker, and he's

1871
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: just telling us how math is interwine in every single

1872
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 1: thing that we do these days, and even in the politics.

1873
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned that as well. What are your thoughts though, family?

1874
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: Eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six.

1875
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: A kill Gene wants to speak to here is calling

1876
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: from Pikesville in Maryland. Is online too, Grand Rising Gene,

1877
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: you're on with the kiel.

1878
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 14: Yeah, Grand Rising Brothers. Okay, So brothers, my question to

1879
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 14: you is what Donald Trump is doing with with the

1880
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 14: tariffs is part of economics. It's exports, right, so export

1881
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 14: and the imports. That's the difference between the GDP and

1882
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 14: the GNP. So well, America capital country, are isn't our

1883
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 14: number one product that we for Aren't they weapons of

1884
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 14: mass destructions? And I like to make this a quick statement,

1885
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 14: so if it is weapons of mass destruction right now

1886
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 14: in the Ukraine, what we're seeing is nobody needs a

1887
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 14: multimillion dollar jet to fight this war. They're using drone

1888
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 14: five hundred dollars a piece, and they super them up

1889
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 14: so that people can now have a war and they're

1890
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 14: you know, and they and they can afford to have

1891
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 14: a war. So in other words, small countries can now

1892
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 14: fight big countries the way the way that the system

1893
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,799
Speaker 14: is set up. Now that this applies to the United States, Russia,

1894
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 14: while the others, say the un the capitalistic come through,

1895
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 14: or the Saudi oil countries and the bricks countries, this

1896
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 14: is to me, this is what's going on economically. So

1897
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 14: capitalism and socialism, I really can't see the difference for

1898
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 14: the most part, because they're all trying to grow their

1899
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 14: middle class with the same methods.

1900
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Gan, Let's see if a kill agrees

1901
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 1: with Kill.

1902
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 9: Well, for my studies of socialism, it's not a class

1903
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 9: based system in that sense. And I don't I mean,

1904
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,719
Speaker 9: I don't want to get you know, too technical, because

1905
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 9: I you know, I still i'm, like you said in

1906
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 9: the beginning call of the show, you're you're a student,

1907
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 9: and I'm still a student of this myself, you know,

1908
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 9: on an ongoing basis. But again it's it's about.

1909
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 4: A lot.

1910
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 9: There has to be so military, there has to be

1911
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 9: a military expansion. And this is something that you know,

1912
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 9: doctor King talked about, you know, before he was assassinated.

1913
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,680
Speaker 9: The triple evils. You know, he talked about this in

1914
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Speaker 9: his nineteen sixty seven while I oppose the war in Vietnam,

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Speaker 9: you know speech and whatnot, the triple evils of militarism, racism,

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Speaker 9: and uh povery. I believe I need to, I need to,

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Speaker 9: I need to check that. But I think those were

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Speaker 9: the triple evil that they spoke to. But and and

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Speaker 9: you know in the in these in this economic system,

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Speaker 9: you have to constantly expand territory, so you have to

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Speaker 9: have military, you know, aggression right to go take territory,

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Speaker 9: take more territory to get more resources. Right and if

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Speaker 9: you you know, take over a country, then you don't

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Speaker 9: have to you know, you know, you get it for free.

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Speaker 9: It's almost like when you when you steal, there's the

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Speaker 9: zero overhead when you steal. So once you once you

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Speaker 9: have that, then you have you know, products, and then

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Speaker 9: you have you know, we can we can have these

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Speaker 9: things that that we have and you know we we

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Speaker 9: do we're all we're all complicit with it. You know,

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Speaker 9: we do benefit, right, but again it's about long term,

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Speaker 9: like what do we want to be doing twenty years

1933
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Speaker 9: from now? Thirty is now? What type of society do

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Speaker 9: want our children and grandchildren to be existing with them?

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Speaker 9: Because we do have to admit, you know, I have

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Speaker 9: to admit, like I'm honus, like we're all benefiting from

1937
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Speaker 9: these problematic systems, right, We're not immune to it, but

1938
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Speaker 9: it's an all encompassing system. That's why the question of

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Speaker 9: like what is the end goal is important because some people,

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Speaker 9: for them, they're like, yes, I'm part of I'm part

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Speaker 9: of this current economic system now and I'm benefited from it,

1942
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Speaker 9: and I'm proud of that, and it's always going to

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Speaker 9: be this way and I'm content with that. But then

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Speaker 9: some of us are like, well, this is what we're

1945
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Speaker 9: doing right now, but hopefully we won't be doing this

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Speaker 9: in the future long term.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha? Twenty four after the top of now, Thanks Jane,

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Speaker 1: let's go to la Irving's Waiting for Us online three.

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Speaker 1: Every Ground Rising You're on with Akilving the.

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Speaker 3: Online three, I'm right here, can you hear me? Fantastic

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Speaker 3: brother kill You are right on point with everything that

1952
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Speaker 3: you're seeing. But capitalism is to me is economic terrorism.

1953
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Speaker 3: Someone has to be exploited for capitalism to work correctly.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely correct because when you speak of capitalism, you're

1955
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Speaker 3: speaking of individualism. Am I correct? Because when you when

1956
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Speaker 3: you do something collectively, collectively you can get more done

1957
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Speaker 3: and it includes everyone. But capitalism, there is a syndicate

1958
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Speaker 3: running this country and there's other millionaires in the billionaires.

1959
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is part of it. And if we don't

1960
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Speaker 3: understand that these are gangsters and a gangster has they

1961
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Speaker 3: don't care about the people they but they're giving you

1962
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Speaker 3: the impression they do. I was looking to the brothers earlier.

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Speaker 3: My brother talked about politics, but we're coming from the

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Speaker 3: same playbook. I could their colonized minds are showing when

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Speaker 3: they start talking about you Gotta. I mean, you got

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Speaker 3: a fella in the White House, So what do you

1967
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Speaker 3: What are we talking about here? So my point is,

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Speaker 3: I brother, I love what you're saying. And as answering me,

1969
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Speaker 3: this question is mathematics. My ancestors knew about mathematics in

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Speaker 3: Africa way before these Caucasians even knew what it was

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Speaker 3: all about.

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Speaker 9: Is that correct? It's definitely correct and well documented that's

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Speaker 9: definitely correct.

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Speaker 15: One.

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Speaker 9: I'm very well documented, you know. It's just that you know,

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Speaker 9: and a lot of you know, the Europeans are very

1977
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Speaker 9: excellent at marketing and pr so a lot of the

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Speaker 9: a lot of the formulas and whatnot, they've named after

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Speaker 9: themselves and they published all the textbooks. So that's why

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Speaker 9: go to schools and get exposed to it as this

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Speaker 9: explicit as a specific domain of them.

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Speaker 1: M hm.

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Speaker 3: I understand, brother, thank you, I thank God for you

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Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing, and I support you one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let me speak appreciate you and what you said, don't

1988
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Speaker 1: you guys agreed on that we we created mathematics, but

1989
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Speaker 1: it seems like the rest of the world doesn't know.

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Speaker 1: It's only a small percentage of even black folks know

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Speaker 1: that we created mathematics. So, kile, how do we get

1992
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Speaker 1: this message across you know, if the other folks don't

1993
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Speaker 1: don't get it to the other folks. At least our

1994
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Speaker 1: people know that it was our ancestors who created mathematics.

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Speaker 1: How do we get that message to them?

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Speaker 9: Well, having a conversations like this, you know, having more

1997
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Speaker 9: of these conversations and also showing young not only young

1998
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Speaker 9: people but adults, you know, the utility of mathematics, on

1999
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Speaker 9: the utility of algebra, and even being more specific and

2000
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Speaker 9: the nomenclature, like, you know, I'm trying to develop the

2001
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Speaker 9: habit of not always using the term mathematics because math

2002
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Speaker 9: is kind of general, you know, but being more specific

2003
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Speaker 9: and saying, well, we can use trigonometry for this, we

2004
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Speaker 9: can use geometry for this, or you know, pre calculus,

2005
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,600
Speaker 9: you know, and and also showing people like how the

2006
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Speaker 9: things that they're already doing every day sometimes they're already

2007
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Speaker 9: using algebra or using the geometry for that, you know,

2008
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Speaker 9: they just may not know it, you know, like when

2009
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Speaker 9: you know, his sisters like braiding her daughter's hair, you know,

2010
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Speaker 9: that's a that's geometry. She is acting as a mathematician.

2011
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Speaker 9: She is practicing geometry, right, She's making sure the lines

2012
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Speaker 9: are parallel, She's making sure that the hair is parted

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Speaker 9: in a certain way. At the at the root of

2014
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Speaker 9: the braid, there might be some triangles, might be some trapozoids,

2015
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Speaker 9: might be some rectangles, some some type of parallelograms. So

2016
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Speaker 9: it's like it's it's innate with finis and what a

2017
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Speaker 9: lot of times happens and it hits the challenge for

2018
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Speaker 9: a lot of us. And oftentimes schools don't do a

2019
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Speaker 9: good enough job doing this because early in my teaching career,

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Speaker 9: and I've been teaching at mathematics for twenty years, early

2021
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Speaker 9: in my teaching career, I didn't do as good as

2022
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Speaker 9: a job of this. So it's a lot of teachers

2023
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Speaker 9: that didn't do as good of a job this. There's

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Speaker 9: a lot of young teachers and even the old teachers

2025
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Speaker 9: that aren't doing as good of a job of this.

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Speaker 9: Now is communicating to children in classrooms that the math

2027
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Speaker 9: that they're learning is really a language. It's a way

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Speaker 9: to not only conceptualize, but to articulate the activities that

2029
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Speaker 9: were already doing. So. It's like, you know, wyfe was

2030
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Speaker 9: m xplus b. It's a popular formula that people often

2031
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Speaker 9: will say it's useless. I never used this in life,

2032
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Speaker 9: but this is only one of many examples. Every time

2033
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 9: you calculate your paycheck, if you make an hourly wage,

2034
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Speaker 9: you're using wyfe.

2035
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Speaker 3: Was m xplus b.

2036
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Speaker 9: But you might not ever know that. If I'm sure

2037
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Speaker 9: there's been millions of people that never equated calculating their

2038
01:55:55,840 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 9: paycheck with wife was m x plus b or knowing Ever, Wait, wait.

2039
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Speaker 1: Bro, don't do a drive by break that down for us,

2040
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: because you know some folks that be getting paid for

2041
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: all their years and have never even thought about it

2042
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 1: in that the way that you did that break that

2043
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Speaker 1: down for us again.

2044
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and another thing too, like because I heard one

2045
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 9: of these rappers you know, recently talking about they didn't

2046
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 9: need masks because they didn't need letters. Like the letters

2047
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 9: are just unknown values. It's like, you know, we use

2048
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Speaker 9: letters to hold the place of a numerical value that

2049
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 9: we don't know yet. So whenever you're trying to figure

2050
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 9: something out in your mind, you're like, Okay, how much

2051
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 9: is this going to cost? And how much is that

2052
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 9: going to cost? How much money do I need to

2053
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 9: take out the bank so I could pay these bills

2054
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 9: and get this person some money or whatever? You're using variables, Yeah,

2055
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 9: but you may not know that you're using variable So

2056
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:48,000
Speaker 9: why equals MX plus b. Each of those letters represents

2057
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 9: the value. And when we're talking about our paycheck, let's

2058
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 9: say you work a job. You know, your teenage dor

2059
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 9: to your teenage son or whatever, they work a job.

2060
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Speaker 9: He might be making ten dollars an hour. Your hourly wage.

2061
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 9: That's him represents what we call the slope or the

2062
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 9: rate of change. Right, how much money are you making

2063
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:05,680
Speaker 9: per hour?

2064
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 4: Right?

2065
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 9: And equals to the number ten in that situation for

2066
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 9: that particular person, if you're making ten hours an hour,

2067
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 9: the person that's making twenty dollars an hour, there ms twenty. Now,

2068
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 9: what's x X is the number of hours that you work.

2069
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 9: So X represents the number of hours that you work,

2070
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 9: So you fill that in right. B in this case

2071
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 9: will be zero because B is the amount of money

2072
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 9: that you are giving up front. Now, if you work

2073
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 9: a job where you get a sign on bonus and

2074
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 9: they give you okay, you know, come work for us.

2075
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 9: We're gonna give you five hundred dollars sign on bonus,

2076
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 9: then B will be five hundred. A lot of jobs

2077
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 9: don't have that, so B can be zero. And then

2078
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 9: why is the result Why is the resulting amount of money?

2079
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 9: When you figure out Okay, like imagine if you're trying

2080
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 9: to go on a trip, you're trying to buy something,

2081
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 9: or you know, like when I was at high school,

2082
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 9: I got a job in twelfth grade because I was

2083
01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 9: trying to get money up to go to the prom

2084
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:58,680
Speaker 9: to rent a car, get a tuxedo, get my tickets,

2085
01:57:59,040 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 9: you know, do you know?

2086
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:00,960
Speaker 7: Do what I had to do?

2087
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 9: Make sure I had my hair cutting, all that type

2088
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 9: of stuff. Right, So I had to calculate, okay, based

2089
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 9: on my hourly wage that was my m how many

2090
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 9: hours would I have to work right x to make

2091
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 9: this amount of money. I had to do the algebra

2092
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 9: to do the math. A lot of us know how

2093
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 9: to do that, but we don't realize, right because of

2094
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:23,400
Speaker 9: our social programming, that we're actually using algebra when we

2095
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 9: do that. Right, So we're using ys in xpus b

2096
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:28,879
Speaker 9: all the time, and that's only one of many formulas.

2097
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 4: Right.

2098
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:34,040
Speaker 9: So a lot of times what happens within mathematics is

2099
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 9: that it's a way of conceptualizing and articulating the things

2100
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 9: that were already doing anyway within a different language. It's

2101
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 9: kind of similar to how you know, black people born

2102
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 9: and raised in the United States, different cities Baltimore, DC, Chicago,

2103
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 9: I Land, La, Detroit, whatever. Right, we do things and

2104
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 9: we behave in a certain way culturally, but we may

2105
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:02,880
Speaker 9: not know the connection to through our ancient African ancestors.

2106
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 9: But once we study our ancient African ancestors, then we realize, oh,

2107
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 9: we're just carry on, carrying on a tradition. But if

2108
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 9: we never studied our ancient African ancestors, we wouldn't see

2109
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 9: the connection. Mathematics is very similar. We're already using the

2110
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 9: mathematics in our everyday lives and what have you, but

2111
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:22,920
Speaker 9: we don't know that it's actually algebra that we're doing.

2112
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:26,280
Speaker 9: We don't know that it's actually calculus that we're doing. Right,

2113
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 9: you know, I think about what is it? Uh, the

2114
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 9: last poets, the poem that Omar ben Hassan, you know

2115
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 9: about Malcolm X and about change. You know, he said,

2116
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 9: you know, he's I'm not gonna you know, use the

2117
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:43,720
Speaker 9: language and used on ahead on the on the radio.

2118
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:46,280
Speaker 9: But you know we said, you know, in in where

2119
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 9: it's changed all the time, we shouldn't be scared of revolution.

2120
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 9: In words, are scared of revolution.

2121
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 4: That's what it was.

2122
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 9: I'm sure so listening audiences some of us are familiar

2123
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 9: with that in words, are scared of revolution. And you

2124
01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:59,000
Speaker 9: said we shouldn't be scared of revolution because all revolution

2125
01:59:59,160 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 9: means is change, and we change all the time. And

2126
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:04,360
Speaker 9: it goes into this long like you know, spill about

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Speaker 9: you know how black people change this and we make

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Speaker 9: this type of change, and that type of change will up.

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Speaker 9: Calculus is based on the rate of change. Calculus is

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Speaker 9: based on the slope. So things changing, and we're measuring

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Speaker 9: the rate of change of different activities and how different

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Speaker 9: things change at different rates throughout the process of it,

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Speaker 9: because it may not be a constant rate of change.

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Speaker 9: It's like when we're driving. When you leave your house,

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Speaker 9: you drive down the street, you might be driving thirty

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Speaker 9: miles an hour and you get on our turn the corner,

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Speaker 9: different street. You got to go a little slower because

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Speaker 9: it's more trapped. You might be going twenty miles an hour. Right,

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Speaker 9: that's your rate of change. Right now you get on

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Speaker 9: the highway, now you're going fifty miles an hour. So

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Speaker 9: your rate of change is constantly is constantly changing in itself.

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Speaker 9: That's a large part of what calculus is.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 9: But these are things that we do on a regular basis.

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Speaker 7: But the way it's all.

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Speaker 9: Overall marketed to us is something that's too difficult, and

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Speaker 9: it's really a con game. It's a con game to

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Speaker 9: keep us away from it, right because we once we say, well,

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Speaker 9: this is too difficult, this is irrelevant, this is useless.

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Speaker 9: Then we've disqualified ourselves from economically speaking, the opportunity, the

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Speaker 9: career and job opportunities that you would be afforded by

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Speaker 9: knowing those things. And then the people of the children

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Speaker 9: that have not been given that message that is irrelevant

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Speaker 9: and useless and too difficult, then it makes it easier

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Speaker 9: for them to acquire those opportunities because once you say

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Speaker 9: you know, math is too hard, you know, I'm never

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Speaker 9: going to use this in life. You're never going to

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Speaker 9: be a computer scientist because it's a requirement to be

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Speaker 9: a computer scientist. You're never going to be a doctor

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Speaker 9: because it's a requirement to be a doctor. You're never

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Speaker 9: going to be an engineer, mechanical, architectural, computer, industrial, civil, electrical,

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Speaker 9: You're never going to do those things because it's a

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Speaker 9: requirement to do those things. You're never going to be

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Speaker 9: an architect. So you know, the power structure and those

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Speaker 9: and other groups that would have us that would not

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Speaker 9: want us to know. As individuals or as a collectors,

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Speaker 9: they don't have to tell you, no, you can't do

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Speaker 9: that job, right, They just program put you in educational

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Speaker 9: spaces where you begin to feel that, well, this this

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Speaker 9: topic is too difficult and it's useless. So therefore you

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Speaker 9: check out and don't try to learn it, and then

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Speaker 9: you end up never going into those fields, you know.

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Speaker 9: So it's more of a malignant neglect.

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Speaker 1: Right Because we've got a step aside, we're coming up

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Speaker 1: on bread. We got some more folks want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you as well. Let me give you an update

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Speaker 1: on the hurricane Melicia. It's moving through Cuba right now.

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Speaker 1: It's been downgraded to a category two, are still pretty

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Speaker 1: strong one hundred and five miles per hour, and it's

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Speaker 1: going through the south, foutht eastern part of Cuba. That's

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Speaker 1: where money the Afro Cubans resigning the folks. Then it's

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Speaker 1: going to go to the Texan Kikos and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of the Bahamas and probably go straight to Bermuda coming

2184
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Speaker 1: up later this week. But anyway, folks, that's the update

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Speaker 1: on the hurricane Melicitia's I mentioned, we got a step

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Speaker 1: aside for a few moments we come back. Some folks

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Speaker 1: want to talk to Kill Parker anything to do with mathematics.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy you need to talk to, and you

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Speaker 1: could reach him at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning. Our guest is a math guru,

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Speaker 1: brother Akil Parker, out of Philadelphia, and he's showing us

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Speaker 1: all the different uses of mathematics. Before we go back

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Speaker 1: to him, though, let me just remind you. Coming up

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Speaker 1: late this morning, we speak with license and Mental health

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Speaker 1: Counselor doctor Jason Anthony Pandograss. Doctor Panograss is going to

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Speaker 1: explain or show us why h Actually he's going to

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Speaker 1: dispel those myths and those rumors that black men do

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Speaker 1: not support their children. He's got digits as well. And

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Speaker 1: tomorrow we're going to be joined by futuristic researcher, brother

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Speaker 1: Saideka Bakari. So if you are in Baltimore, keep you

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Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if

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Speaker 1: you're in the DMV around fourteen fifteen WL Akil, as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, some folks want to talk to you, So

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Speaker 1: let's go to Mike in DC's online four Grand Rising

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Speaker 1: Mike around with a kiel.

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Speaker 15: About mister Nelson and mister Kevin. Your guests guests called

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Speaker 15: he is spot on my son is a mathematician. He

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Speaker 15: went to Morehouse and bullying, went the Harvard And what

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Speaker 15: happens that I grew up myself. We worked within the system.

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Speaker 15: He said, how do you how you making this? I

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Speaker 15: made a lot of money. I've made a lot of

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Speaker 15: people money, and I give him. I grew up around

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Speaker 15: the Gorses, the Kavanaughs, the Marriott, the Smuckers, all these

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Speaker 15: big people that work at the FED. My stepfather worked at.

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Speaker 15: He was a charge of the economic department at Walter Reed,

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Speaker 15: a sergeant Major Watford, and he ran a horle. He

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Speaker 15: showed me about money, about borrowing against the dollar and

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Speaker 15: stuff like that, and borrow against your own money, stuff

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Speaker 15: like that. So I showed my son how to do it.

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Speaker 15: He runs a thing called Valentino Workshop, and it's called

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Speaker 15: the name is Mike Lenswell, Hey, Valentine Workshop. And what

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Speaker 15: happens that he's showing kids everything you're talking about, frize

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Speaker 15: over runs, sloping, all the how of this stuff works.

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Speaker 15: He uses rap music. He's a rap music to infiltrate

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Speaker 15: into teaching kids how to learn that because they're in

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Speaker 15: this culture where they just only thing they care about

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Speaker 15: the music. So he takes that and infiltration into doing

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Speaker 15: calculus and stuff like that, into doing geometry and advanced math.

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Speaker 15: And he helps to pass the s A T L

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Speaker 15: s AT, s AD maths all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 15: And he's world know, he has this, and we were eventually,

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Speaker 15: like you said, so we're eventually we're entrepreneurs. It wasn't

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Speaker 15: until FDR they start giving us welfare and stuff like that.

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Speaker 15: Became so dependent on the government before they time about

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Speaker 15: black Bass treat and stuff like that and black peoples

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Speaker 15: to make it. I talked about all and he's an

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Speaker 15: entrepreneur and he's trying to teach people that the entrepreneurs

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Speaker 15: and you're seven thousands correct. Math is the key to everything.

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Speaker 15: And our economic system, you know, are capitalism is a

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Speaker 15: is a form of socialism because you know, we have

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Speaker 15: to support everybody and the out tax space pays for

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Speaker 15: everything for our military people, it's on welfare and all

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Speaker 15: that kind of stuff, and it works. It's the best

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Speaker 15: system in the world, better than the aligarkis and you know,

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Speaker 15: and you know, and total palitarium and stuff like. That's

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Speaker 15: why so many people are trying to them to America.

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Speaker 15: But math is the key to everything and entrepreneurship. Check

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Speaker 15: them out. He's a he's a world of Now, Moist

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Speaker 15: Moist Volentino Workshop and he's a world of now. It's

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Speaker 15: a Harvey's very open his own schools around the world

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Speaker 15: to teach these kids about how to infiltrate that and

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Speaker 15: to the coming rich iness country, utilize the system that

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Speaker 15: we have and stuff like that. Thank you, sir, and

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Speaker 15: thank you mister.

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Speaker 1: Nelson, Thanks Mike, thank you. You want to a common

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Speaker 1: anything that he said at kill Yeah.

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Speaker 9: One of the things that stood out to me is that,

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Speaker 9: you know, his son uses he uses rap music, you know,

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Speaker 9: to teach the math principles. And I think that is

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Speaker 9: that symbolic of a of a larger concept of just

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Speaker 9: meeting youth where they are, not just the youth, but

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Speaker 9: leading adults where they are. Because everything that we involve

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Speaker 9: ourselves in in life we can use as a backdrop

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Speaker 9: or a foundation for different mathematical lessons, whether it be algebra, geometry, calculus,

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Speaker 9: pre calculus. I mean, if you go to any you know,

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Speaker 9: you go to different textbooks and you look at the

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Speaker 9: application section or the word problem section, you can we

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Speaker 9: can see that, you know, but that's that's the real work.

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Speaker 9: That's the challenging work for a lot of us as

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Speaker 9: educators is to figure out, how do I take your

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Speaker 9: life experience? And this this is the essence of culturally

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Speaker 9: responsive pedagals. I know that's like a buzz term thrown

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Speaker 9: around a lot in education, but their essence of it is,

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Speaker 9: how do I take any person that I meet? Right,

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Speaker 9: I find out a little bit about them, what they're

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Speaker 9: interested in, what their background is like, what their community

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Speaker 9: is like, what their life experience is like, and how

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Speaker 9: do I how do I create and formulate a curriculum

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Speaker 9: based on this, based on their experiences, based on them, right,

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Speaker 9: that centers them, and then I use it to teach

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Speaker 9: them algebra, I use it to teach them geometry. I

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Speaker 9: use it to teach them pre calculus and calculus or statistics.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 9: That's that's the challenging work, but that's the work that

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Speaker 9: has to be done, and the more experience you have

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Speaker 9: as an educator that becomes easier over top.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, but I definitely I want to I want

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Speaker 9: to say some than those two Like before, I forget

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Speaker 9: it's this concept because I want because I you know,

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Speaker 9: this is this is a something I want us to

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Speaker 9: really think about right, especially to the people that say,

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Speaker 9: I'm never going to use this in life? Why do

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Speaker 9: I need to learn this? And I think that's the

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Speaker 9: wrong question, or that's the wrong or when or when

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Speaker 9: when I'm gonna When am I going to use this

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Speaker 9: in life? Is a valid question. But I think there's

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Speaker 9: an even more valid question that we should be asking,

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Speaker 9: especially if you're a young person that has that thought,

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Speaker 9: or if you're an adult that once upon a town

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Speaker 9: was a young person that had that belief or had

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Speaker 9: that thought. The question we should also be asking is

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Speaker 9: who is using it? So if you're a person that says, well,

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Speaker 9: I'm not I believe that I'm never going to use this,

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Speaker 9: so there's no point for me to put forth effort

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Speaker 9: and energy and time to learn this, you also need

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Speaker 9: to consider who is learning it. Because the people that

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Speaker 9: are learning it are using it as a tool, and

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Speaker 9: in many cases are using it as a weapon too.

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Speaker 9: That will dictate the confines and constraints of your life,

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Speaker 9: of all of our Because the people that get bachelor's degrees,

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Speaker 9: master's degrees, PhDs, etc. In mathematics, they go into private

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Speaker 9: industry and work for corporations and they use those skills.

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Speaker 9: They go to government industry and use those skills. But

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Speaker 9: what do you think they're doing with those skills. They're

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Speaker 9: creating the algorithms, they're using the formulas that are going

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Speaker 9: to affect our lives. If you work for a corporate

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Speaker 9: you might work for Meta. Meta of course owns Facebook,

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Speaker 9: owns Instagram. They're using their math skills to create algorithms

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Speaker 9: that are going to take do their best to take

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Speaker 9: our attention away, which is why people get caught up

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Speaker 9: in what do they call it doom scrolling, or they

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Speaker 9: get caught up in the scroll. Right, we end up

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Speaker 9: wasting a lot of time on social media and they

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Speaker 9: sell us products.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 9: So if the thing is, if there are people that

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Speaker 9: do know the mathematics and they're using it in ways

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Speaker 9: that it's going to affect your life, why would you

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Speaker 9: not want to know it? Why would you not want

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Speaker 9: your children to know it? Because now, if we really

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Speaker 9: understand the society that we live in that we started

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Speaker 9: this conversation talking about capitalism. In a capitalistic society, the

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02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:09,080
Speaker 9: essence and foundation of it is competition. Right, It's a

2337
02:10:09,160 --> 02:10:12,120
Speaker 9: dog eat dog world. It's a limit in a capitalism,

2338
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:15,400
Speaker 9: there's artificial scarcity. So we're in this We kind of

2339
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 9: are in this system where there's this belief that there's

2340
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:20,680
Speaker 9: a limited amount of resources, even though there's an abundance

2341
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:23,760
Speaker 9: of resources, but people are certain individuals and groups are

2342
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 9: hoarding the resources. So it makes it seem as though

2343
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,720
Speaker 9: there's a limited amount and there's a competition over the

2344
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,360
Speaker 9: so called limited amount of resources. So we're already in

2345
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:36,600
Speaker 9: a competitive mentality and a competitive orientation. So in a

2346
02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:40,360
Speaker 9: competitive system and a competitive situation, why would you set

2347
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 9: yourself up for asymmetrical warfare and asymmetrical warfare. It's like,

2348
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:47,720
Speaker 9: these people know mathematics, they're using it as a weapon,

2349
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:50,000
Speaker 9: they know calculus, they're able to use that as a

2350
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 9: weapon to be able to secure resources and secure opportunities.

2351
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:55,600
Speaker 9: So why would you have you to put your children

2352
02:10:55,680 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 9: in the situation where they're not going to know mathematics.

2353
02:10:57,960 --> 02:10:59,839
Speaker 9: So your children are not going to have the weapons.

2354
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,760
Speaker 9: It's like going to you know, going against the whole

2355
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:06,760
Speaker 9: army with just one handgun. You're going to die. You're

2356
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:09,360
Speaker 9: not going to win. And this is essentially what we're

2357
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 9: doing when we say things like when I'm never gonna

2358
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:15,560
Speaker 9: need this, Okay, you can think that but keep in

2359
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 9: mind there are a lot of people that are learning

2360
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:19,280
Speaker 9: it and are using it, and we got to think

2361
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,480
Speaker 9: about what are those people doing with it? How are

2362
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:22,400
Speaker 9: they using it too?

2363
02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:26,000
Speaker 1: Because the clown got some mother folks wh want to

2364
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 1: talk to you. Charles is online too, he's calling from

2365
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 1: the district Grand Rising. Charles. You're on with the kill.

2366
02:11:33,240 --> 02:11:36,440
Speaker 16: Hotel, Brother Carl and doctor Kill.

2367
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:36,840
Speaker 10: Uh.

2368
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,760
Speaker 16: It is a very interesting conversation.

2369
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:40,720
Speaker 6: Uh.

2370
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,480
Speaker 16: When you say who else is using it and they're

2371
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:48,200
Speaker 16: weaponizing it, I would say even think tanks are using

2372
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:54,560
Speaker 16: mathematics and algelbro Okay. I would also say this Juanza

2373
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:58,400
Speaker 16: could use food back in the eighties told us that, hey,

2374
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:03,120
Speaker 16: they can actually calculate and know now the number of

2375
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 16: young black males that will be in prison. And basically

2376
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:10,880
Speaker 16: that is an algebra equation where they factor in a

2377
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 16: lot of things. They have the different variables there. So

2378
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:18,520
Speaker 16: my point to you, as you're talking about the different

2379
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 16: systems or whatever, is that we've got to get people

2380
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:26,280
Speaker 16: to understand that, hey, we can possibly control some of

2381
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 16: those variables and tell people, hey, this is how they're

2382
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 16: calculating these numbers because they're based on let's say, with poverty,

2383
02:12:35,160 --> 02:12:38,560
Speaker 16: you're going to have a certain level of income of crime,

2384
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:42,160
Speaker 16: and so if we keep the poverty constant, and then

2385
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:45,640
Speaker 16: we basically okay, the variable could be the crime. So

2386
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:49,000
Speaker 16: we can kind of control that and talk to our

2387
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 16: people and explain the details. I think we'll get the seat.

2388
02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:56,600
Speaker 16: As you say, math is used in everything, and so

2389
02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:59,480
Speaker 16: it's important. And if you can talk about that, how

2390
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:03,480
Speaker 16: may we don't control the constant, but we can control

2391
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:06,720
Speaker 16: the variables. And I appreciate brother, all the information you're

2392
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:09,040
Speaker 16: putting out in Carl your show. Also, thanks a.

2393
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:10,160
Speaker 5: Lot, and have a good day.

2394
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:14,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2395
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:17,720
Speaker 9: So to his point, and I'm glad he brought that up,

2396
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:19,640
Speaker 9: because that reminds me of something else. We were talking

2397
02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:21,600
Speaker 9: about why equals m X plus b earlier. So I

2398
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:24,320
Speaker 9: think I can answer this question by using that formula

2399
02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:27,640
Speaker 9: once again. And it's not the only formula then, it's

2400
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:29,839
Speaker 9: only one of the elementary what we call it elementary

2401
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:32,200
Speaker 9: functions Why equals m X plus b. There's also why

2402
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 9: equals axquare plus b, X plus c, and so on

2403
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:38,440
Speaker 9: and so forth. But if we understand these types of formulasm,

2404
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:42,240
Speaker 9: we are conditioned from an early age to think algebraically

2405
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:45,800
Speaker 9: and have algebraic thinking, which is by you know, I

2406
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:48,320
Speaker 9: want to also say this, algebraic thinking is one of

2407
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:52,720
Speaker 9: the domains on every standardized math test that children all

2408
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:55,120
Speaker 9: across this country will take that they're being judged and

2409
02:13:55,200 --> 02:13:58,000
Speaker 9: measured on. So that shows the importance of it. Right,

2410
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 9: It's about cause and effect. Cause and effect. A lot

2411
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:06,640
Speaker 9: of us don't really understand cause and effect, and this

2412
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:12,920
Speaker 9: is why we blame certain things for outcomes that are

2413
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 9: not actually the cause. Right, A lot of times we

2414
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:20,680
Speaker 9: may say, okay, there's gun violence in the black community.

2415
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:24,720
Speaker 9: The knee jerk reaction often is, well, blame the parents.

2416
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:28,480
Speaker 9: These parents should do better. Now, I'm not saying that

2417
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:33,280
Speaker 9: parents are above critique. I'm not saying that parents, you know,

2418
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:37,240
Speaker 9: can't possibly do better. But let's also go deeper and

2419
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 9: look at the Okay, what's the cause. Okay, Well, maybe

2420
02:14:40,240 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 9: this parent is working two jobs or three jobs because

2421
02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 9: they got to keep a roof for of everybody's head.

2422
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:51,880
Speaker 9: You know, maybe there was a factory or job that

2423
02:14:52,160 --> 02:14:54,440
Speaker 9: it used to be in the community that they could

2424
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:56,840
Speaker 9: walk to or get to in a certain short period

2425
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 9: of time so that it was less travel time involved

2426
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:01,120
Speaker 9: to get to the job. That factory got closed down

2427
02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:04,400
Speaker 9: because the corporation wanted to make more profit. Corporation left

2428
02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:06,640
Speaker 9: the community. So now they got to catch a bus

2429
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:09,680
Speaker 9: two hours they ran back. That's four hours in travel

2430
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:12,440
Speaker 9: time to work an eight hour shift. And then it's

2431
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:14,680
Speaker 9: difficult to be able to spend quality time with your children.

2432
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:16,760
Speaker 9: And then we say, well, why did when and why

2433
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 9: did the corporation lead? Well, the corporation left because monetary

2434
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:24,120
Speaker 9: policy and fiscal policy in the federal government. They said, well,

2435
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 9: we're gonna raise interest rates. And because the interest rates

2436
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:30,000
Speaker 9: were raised. Now that led to this, which led to that,

2437
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:34,000
Speaker 9: which led to that. So when we're thinking mathematically and algebraically,

2438
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:36,960
Speaker 9: we start to think, well, damn, maybe it's not just

2439
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:39,760
Speaker 9: black mothers that could do better. Maybe it's not just

2440
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:40,600
Speaker 9: black fathers that.

2441
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:41,120
Speaker 4: Could do better.

2442
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,000
Speaker 9: Maybe this is much deeper. But you see how like

2443
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 9: the general narrative they liked for us to subscribe to

2444
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:49,840
Speaker 9: that general narrative of just well, she's this is blain

2445
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:51,920
Speaker 9: black people, whatever it is. Let's just blame black people

2446
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:54,400
Speaker 9: for whatever it is. Right, Let's never go deeper than that.

2447
02:15:55,080 --> 02:15:56,840
Speaker 9: Let's never look at it like, you know, it could

2448
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:02,600
Speaker 9: be something. Another situation, a circumstance that's influencing the bad

2449
02:16:02,680 --> 02:16:06,280
Speaker 9: behavior or the behavior that should be improved. Right because

2450
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:10,440
Speaker 9: in part because we don't understand mathematics and we're never

2451
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:13,920
Speaker 9: to how to think mathematically because the math is seen.

2452
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:16,839
Speaker 9: And that's why it's so important for them to condition

2453
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:20,360
Speaker 9: us to believe that math is irrelevant. Because it's so relevant,

2454
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:22,960
Speaker 9: we got to stay away from it no matter what.

2455
02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:25,040
Speaker 9: We got to stay away from it. Like when you

2456
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 9: look when you look at the background information I mentioned

2457
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:34,560
Speaker 9: standardized testament, when we're the you look at the background

2458
02:16:34,600 --> 02:16:37,680
Speaker 9: information and what the purpose of certain problems is. It's

2459
02:16:37,720 --> 02:16:41,120
Speaker 9: a means of measuring the student's ability to use math,

2460
02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:45,840
Speaker 9: use mathematics for problem solving. So if millions of black

2461
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:50,520
Speaker 9: children can become problem solvers, this country will collapse. Because

2462
02:16:50,560 --> 02:16:52,600
Speaker 9: as Amos Wilson said, and I said this several times

2463
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:55,960
Speaker 9: on your program called Like, Amos Wilson was very accurate

2464
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,360
Speaker 9: when he said that the problems of the black community

2465
02:16:58,480 --> 02:17:02,120
Speaker 9: represent a multi billion dollars industry. So those problems have

2466
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:05,080
Speaker 9: to be maintained at all costs. So we can't please

2467
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:07,200
Speaker 9: black children how to be problems solve, how to solve

2468
02:17:07,240 --> 02:17:09,800
Speaker 9: their individual or collective the collective problems of the black

2469
02:17:09,800 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 9: community at all causes, and we got to and what

2470
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:15,080
Speaker 9: has to happen is you have to you have to

2471
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:20,200
Speaker 9: configure things in a way where it seems as though

2472
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:24,880
Speaker 9: you're not actually actively you know, creating circumstances in an

2473
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,960
Speaker 9: environment where they wouldn't be able to problem solve. So

2474
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:31,520
Speaker 9: we have to convince you that you shouldn't want to

2475
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:34,680
Speaker 9: be a problem solver, that it's not cool, that it's

2476
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:37,720
Speaker 9: not worth your time, it's not worth your energy. So

2477
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 9: that's that's just that's one example. A lot of many,

2478
02:17:40,440 --> 02:17:42,800
Speaker 9: you know, understanding cause and effect, and a lot of

2479
02:17:42,879 --> 02:17:46,680
Speaker 9: times we conflate causes with effects. And that's why it

2480
02:17:46,840 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 9: was m expos to B. Why is the result or

2481
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:52,600
Speaker 9: the dependent variable access the independent variable actually the cause?

2482
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:53,800
Speaker 4: Right?

2483
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:55,960
Speaker 9: So these are these are things that we got to

2484
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:57,920
Speaker 9: look at. So we're looking at problems in our community.

2485
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:00,880
Speaker 9: If we look at them through a mass medical lens,

2486
02:18:01,560 --> 02:18:03,840
Speaker 9: we'll get a different perspective on them and it might

2487
02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:07,520
Speaker 9: even give us some more optimism about our ability to

2488
02:18:07,560 --> 02:18:10,680
Speaker 9: potentially solve the problems. That's another thing too, because a

2489
02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:13,720
Speaker 9: lot of us feel so defeated, so beat down. Oh

2490
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:16,640
Speaker 9: what was me I can't do nothing about this. You know,

2491
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:19,240
Speaker 9: we just got to you know, just try to get by.

2492
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:23,480
Speaker 9: But not we do have we do have opportunities. There

2493
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:26,240
Speaker 9: is a reason for optimism. But again, it's about looking

2494
02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:28,120
Speaker 9: at things through a mathematical lens. When we look at

2495
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:31,480
Speaker 9: things to a mathematical lens, then you know we've developed

2496
02:18:31,520 --> 02:18:32,440
Speaker 9: some different perspectives.

2497
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:35,080
Speaker 1: Right and hold that thought right there? Brother, Okay, we

2498
02:18:35,160 --> 02:18:38,520
Speaker 1: gotta take a short breadcase. Our stations can identify themselves

2499
02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:40,120
Speaker 1: down the line. I'm still got a bunch of folks,

2500
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:42,320
Speaker 1: got questions for you, sugar, and shut up on the answers.

2501
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:44,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Family is four minutes away from the top.

2502
02:18:44,840 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 1: They you got to step aside As I mentioned, I

2503
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:49,760
Speaker 1: guess is at Kill Parker he's the math guru on

2504
02:18:49,879 --> 02:18:52,240
Speaker 1: this program is all anything to do with math. He

2505
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:54,280
Speaker 1: says that math is the basis of everything that we do,

2506
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:56,520
Speaker 1: and he's proven this point. What are your thoughts eight

2507
02:18:56,640 --> 02:18:59,119
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to seven six?

2508
02:18:59,240 --> 02:19:01,800
Speaker 1: Cut you in, take your phone calls next and grind

2509
02:19:01,879 --> 02:19:04,320
Speaker 1: rising family. I guess there's a math grew at Kill

2510
02:19:04,440 --> 02:19:07,120
Speaker 1: Parker is showing us how math. It just permeates everything

2511
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:09,760
Speaker 1: that we do on this planet. Eight four or five

2512
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:12,240
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and speak to your brother

2513
02:19:12,320 --> 02:19:16,160
Speaker 1: Akil Ubdills checking in from Baltimore's on line three. Grand Rising, abdullit,

2514
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:19,080
Speaker 1: you're on with brother Akil Grand Rising.

2515
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:21,840
Speaker 17: Grand Rising. Thank you so much for for your comments.

2516
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:24,360
Speaker 17: I so wish I had a teacher like you at

2517
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:29,400
Speaker 17: some helpful point in my studies. I have a brief comment,

2518
02:19:29,959 --> 02:19:31,640
Speaker 17: a testimony, and a question.

2519
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:35,920
Speaker 10: The comment is that with math, I now know.

2520
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:41,039
Speaker 17: That if you don't get certain basics, then everything after

2521
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:42,039
Speaker 17: that is over.

2522
02:19:42,640 --> 02:19:43,440
Speaker 9: The jig is up.

2523
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:45,480
Speaker 17: You're not just going to get serious when it comes

2524
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:50,080
Speaker 17: to trigonometry if you didn't get certain basics. My testimony

2525
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:53,640
Speaker 17: is I know exactly when the wheels came off for me.

2526
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:56,600
Speaker 17: It was in the third grade when I did not

2527
02:19:56,959 --> 02:20:00,960
Speaker 17: master the timetables. From there it it was all the

2528
02:20:01,080 --> 02:20:05,680
Speaker 17: struggle throughout all my studies. I celebrated after the second

2529
02:20:05,800 --> 02:20:10,040
Speaker 17: year of college as a political science major, when I

2530
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:13,040
Speaker 17: completed all my math requirements, which at that point at

2531
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:16,520
Speaker 17: that time was only algebra two. I celebrated because I

2532
02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 17: knew that there was no math on the lsat There

2533
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:21,680
Speaker 17: was no math I was going to face in law school,

2534
02:20:21,959 --> 02:20:24,840
Speaker 17: and I did not face any math on the bar exam.

2535
02:20:25,640 --> 02:20:29,920
Speaker 17: My question is is it worth it to try to

2536
02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:34,280
Speaker 17: go back with adults and say, okay, you missed this

2537
02:20:34,520 --> 02:20:39,160
Speaker 17: point and maybe have some you know, corpses like almost

2538
02:20:39,240 --> 02:20:41,760
Speaker 17: like those ged kind of courses that go back and

2539
02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:45,640
Speaker 17: teach as adults exactly what they missed so that they

2540
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:48,280
Speaker 17: can kind of, you know, come up and understand math

2541
02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:50,000
Speaker 17: in the beautiful way that you understand it.

2542
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,160
Speaker 9: Well, I thank you for your questions, So I would say,

2543
02:20:56,040 --> 02:21:00,560
Speaker 9: you know, unequivocally, yes, it's definitely worth it. And for

2544
02:21:00,680 --> 02:21:04,400
Speaker 9: many reasons. The one reason is that it will it

2545
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:06,920
Speaker 9: will it will affect and influence how you view the world.

2546
02:21:08,320 --> 02:21:11,240
Speaker 9: Being able to quantify information you know and and and

2547
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:13,920
Speaker 9: you know and even conceptually you know conceptually you may

2548
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:17,720
Speaker 9: like you know, see the world in a different way. Also,

2549
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:20,960
Speaker 9: as members of the community, as elders, I think that

2550
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:23,160
Speaker 9: it's important for us to always be able to educate

2551
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,560
Speaker 9: young people and help young people with their studies and

2552
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:29,360
Speaker 9: their their own development. So if we become mad scholars,

2553
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:31,160
Speaker 9: you know, because one of one of the things I

2554
02:21:31,240 --> 02:21:34,720
Speaker 9: talk about is that I think about man Jamil al

2555
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:37,360
Speaker 9: of Me formerly known as h Rab Brown shout up

2556
02:21:37,400 --> 02:21:40,880
Speaker 9: to him political prisoner. One of his quotes, any institution

2557
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:43,280
Speaker 9: that you do not control will be weaponized against you.

2558
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:46,600
Speaker 9: And public schools we do not control, charter schools, starter schools,

2559
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:48,640
Speaker 9: we do not control. Most private schools we don't control.

2560
02:21:48,959 --> 02:21:52,360
Speaker 9: Those institutions are often weaponized against us. So therefore, I

2561
02:21:52,400 --> 02:21:55,959
Speaker 9: think a solution to that state of affairs is school

2562
02:21:56,040 --> 02:21:59,040
Speaker 9: has to become a space for practice, practicing skills that

2563
02:21:59,080 --> 02:22:01,520
Speaker 9: our children are learning in the home and in the community.

2564
02:22:01,720 --> 02:22:04,040
Speaker 9: The only way that can happen is Okay, now, in

2565
02:22:04,120 --> 02:22:06,920
Speaker 9: my community, I need to learn trigonometry on my block,

2566
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:09,720
Speaker 9: on my corner. I need to learn trigonometry in the

2567
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,600
Speaker 9: rect center, in the monstria, in the church, in my house,

2568
02:22:12,680 --> 02:22:14,600
Speaker 9: in the dining room, in the basement, and the living room, whatever.

2569
02:22:14,920 --> 02:22:16,680
Speaker 9: I need to learn it from people in the community.

2570
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:20,200
Speaker 9: Those people in the community are the elders. So the elders,

2571
02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:22,879
Speaker 9: if they never learned it before, they have to learn

2572
02:22:22,920 --> 02:22:25,240
Speaker 9: it now. And that's why we have to create resources.

2573
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 9: That's why when I come up to this program, I

2574
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:31,000
Speaker 9: talk about my YouTube channel, the All This Math YouTube channel.

2575
02:22:31,320 --> 02:22:33,920
Speaker 9: We now have over a thousand videos, a thousand tutorial

2576
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,640
Speaker 9: videos and all areas of math, going from arithmetic up

2577
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:42,440
Speaker 9: to calculus, where the elderly going there and learn all

2578
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:44,160
Speaker 9: of the math that they may have never learned in

2579
02:22:44,200 --> 02:22:46,920
Speaker 9: the past. So that we can help educate the children,

2580
02:22:46,959 --> 02:22:48,920
Speaker 9: so that we don't have to be fully reliant upon

2581
02:22:49,360 --> 02:22:51,440
Speaker 9: the public schools, the charter schools, and even the private

2582
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:53,680
Speaker 9: schools that we don't control. And then they can go

2583
02:22:53,840 --> 02:22:57,200
Speaker 9: the children can go into the schools in practice what

2584
02:22:57,320 --> 02:23:00,440
Speaker 9: they've learned from the community and the community members, right,

2585
02:23:00,959 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 9: so that will increase their performance as well, because a

2586
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:07,120
Speaker 9: lot of times children feel overwhelmed when they're going into

2587
02:23:07,160 --> 02:23:09,160
Speaker 9: a classroom and they're seeing something for the first time.

2588
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:12,680
Speaker 9: And to the brother's point, also, math is so cumulative.

2589
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 9: It's so cumulative. You can't just one day, Oh I'm

2590
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:17,520
Speaker 9: in eleventh grade. Now I think I'm gonna start paying attention.

2591
02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:20,440
Speaker 9: Let's start doing some trigonometry. If you didn't learn algebra one,

2592
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:22,280
Speaker 9: if you didn't learn the geometry, if you have a

2593
02:23:22,320 --> 02:23:26,640
Speaker 9: weak foundation and arithmetic, you're done for I'm gonna say

2594
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:28,920
Speaker 9: ninety nine percent of the time, you're done for it. Right,

2595
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:31,600
Speaker 9: it's cumulative. You've got to like building a house, you

2596
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:34,080
Speaker 9: got to have a strong foundation. You gotta have that,

2597
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:36,560
Speaker 9: and a lot of a lot of a lot of people,

2598
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:41,280
Speaker 9: adults even do not have our multiplication facts memorized. I'm

2599
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:45,480
Speaker 9: a fierce advocate of us memorizing multiplication facts. Also knowing

2600
02:23:45,560 --> 02:23:49,160
Speaker 9: and understanding the conceptual meaning of why nine times two

2601
02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:51,640
Speaker 9: is eighteen and how nine times two relates to nine

2602
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:53,960
Speaker 9: times for I'm with all that too, and also the

2603
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:57,600
Speaker 9: relationship between addition and multiplication. But we gotta, we gotta

2604
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:00,720
Speaker 9: know multiplication facts. That's the foundation, because that leads to

2605
02:24:00,760 --> 02:24:04,400
Speaker 9: so many other things that will encounter in mathematics. And

2606
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:06,720
Speaker 9: another thing I want to say about that is, you know,

2607
02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:10,600
Speaker 9: this whole approach of as a community us learning mathematics

2608
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:12,879
Speaker 9: as elders and as adults because it's never too late.

2609
02:24:13,800 --> 02:24:16,120
Speaker 9: It's similar to you know this listen and audience is

2610
02:24:16,160 --> 02:24:18,880
Speaker 9: very familiar with that as a concept because a lot

2611
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:22,279
Speaker 9: of us did that children. You know, we were around

2612
02:24:22,520 --> 02:24:25,000
Speaker 9: in the Black Power movement and then the Afrocentric schools movement,

2613
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:28,120
Speaker 9: and we understood the value of learning African history, learning

2614
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:30,680
Speaker 9: African American history on our own so that we could

2615
02:24:30,680 --> 02:24:33,160
Speaker 9: teach our children these things in the home, because we

2616
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:34,960
Speaker 9: knew they were going to be exposed to lies and

2617
02:24:35,080 --> 02:24:37,520
Speaker 9: falsehood when they got into the public school system in

2618
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:40,240
Speaker 9: the history classes and in the English classes and the

2619
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:42,840
Speaker 9: liberal arts classes. We can do the same thing in

2620
02:24:42,959 --> 02:24:45,720
Speaker 9: terms of mathematics. If we were able to teach our

2621
02:24:45,800 --> 02:24:49,320
Speaker 9: children about you know, our African ancestry in the home.

2622
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:51,920
Speaker 9: We're able to teach our children about slave rebellions in

2623
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:53,680
Speaker 9: the home, because we knew they wasn't gonna learn about

2624
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:55,040
Speaker 9: that in school. If we were able to teach our

2625
02:24:55,120 --> 02:24:58,320
Speaker 9: children about the truth about Christopher Columbus, the truth about

2626
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:00,440
Speaker 9: George Washington and all these other press in that with

2627
02:25:00,520 --> 02:25:02,640
Speaker 9: slave holders, if we were able to do that, we

2628
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:05,680
Speaker 9: should also be able to learn the calculus and the

2629
02:25:05,680 --> 02:25:07,920
Speaker 9: trigonometry in the algebra in the home, and to be

2630
02:25:07,959 --> 02:25:09,760
Speaker 9: able to teach our children in the home so that

2631
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:12,600
Speaker 9: when when they go to school, they can just practice

2632
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:15,000
Speaker 9: what we've already taught them. So we've been doing it.

2633
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:17,760
Speaker 9: We just have to apply that approach that we took

2634
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:26,040
Speaker 9: to history, our history, and apply it to mathematics. And

2635
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:28,400
Speaker 9: you know, the Amos Wilsons, of Francis crous Wilsons and

2636
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:30,640
Speaker 9: everybody else, all.

2637
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Right, and brother kill you, sugar, wanted to talk to you.

2638
02:25:33,320 --> 02:25:35,160
Speaker 1: I apologize for those folks who didn't get on, but

2639
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:37,000
Speaker 1: you guys got to call it earlier because we've got

2640
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:40,039
Speaker 1: another guest on deck at kil How come folks reach here,

2641
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:41,680
Speaker 1: especially the folks who can get to talk to you

2642
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:42,240
Speaker 1: this morning.

2643
02:25:43,480 --> 02:25:48,520
Speaker 9: So Facebook, All this Math, Instagram, All this Math, TikTok

2644
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:53,240
Speaker 9: All this Math, and the website www dot all thismath

2645
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:56,120
Speaker 9: dot com. You know, please please reach out, Please reach out,

2646
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:58,720
Speaker 9: and definitely subscribe to the YouTube channel. Go to the

2647
02:25:58,760 --> 02:26:00,800
Speaker 9: YouTube channel. You can even drop a comment if you

2648
02:26:00,879 --> 02:26:04,080
Speaker 9: want to contact me, drop a comment on the YouTube channel.

2649
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:06,640
Speaker 9: All this math, everything is all this math, you know,

2650
02:26:06,760 --> 02:26:09,520
Speaker 9: subscribe to the YouTube channel. Share the YouTube channel. You

2651
02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:11,440
Speaker 9: can go to the YouTube channel. Learn the math that

2652
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:13,240
Speaker 9: you need to learn that your children need to learn,

2653
02:26:14,280 --> 02:26:16,080
Speaker 9: you know, and you learn you learn some black history

2654
02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:19,080
Speaker 9: on there as well, you know, like for.

2655
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Those who have children who are struggling with math. Is

2656
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:22,560
Speaker 1: this a good option?

2657
02:26:23,400 --> 02:26:24,320
Speaker 7: It's an excellent option.

2658
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:28,560
Speaker 9: That's that's my biased opinion, but it's an excellent option.

2659
02:26:29,320 --> 02:26:31,280
Speaker 1: All right. I got another question for you to just

2660
02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:34,720
Speaker 1: call in the studio. What what your YouTube channel can

2661
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:36,640
Speaker 1: repeat that again for yes.

2662
02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:41,560
Speaker 9: All three words, all this math, all this math on YouTube.

2663
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,400
Speaker 1: All right, thanks to Keil. Thank you for shait and

2664
02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:47,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts for this this morning, and thank you for

2665
02:26:47,240 --> 02:26:48,720
Speaker 1: being on the front line there because you know, a

2666
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:51,879
Speaker 1: lot of people have this phobia about mathematics, and as

2667
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:55,160
Speaker 1: you're quite rightly stated, our answers is invented mathematics, so

2668
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be afraid of it. But thank you for

2669
02:26:57,080 --> 02:26:58,480
Speaker 1: sharing your thoughts for us this morning.

2670
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:01,040
Speaker 9: Definitely I here anyway I can.

2671
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:04,280
Speaker 1: All right this brother kil Parker out of Philadelphia, turn

2672
02:27:04,280 --> 02:27:06,920
Speaker 1: our attention out to our next guest that doctor Jason

2673
02:27:06,959 --> 02:27:10,199
Speaker 1: Anthony Pandagrass he's joining us. Doctor Jason is a license

2674
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to mental health counselor Doctor Jason. Welcome back to the program.

2675
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:16,959
Speaker 3: Oh, good morning, brother Carl. Thank you for having me, sir,

2676
02:27:17,959 --> 02:27:18,879
Speaker 3: Well helllp.

2677
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:21,120
Speaker 1: Us here at doctor Jason. Because this is this myth

2678
02:27:21,160 --> 02:27:24,560
Speaker 1: of black men. Our brothers do not support our children,

2679
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:27,160
Speaker 1: We're not in our children's lives, and they throw up

2680
02:27:27,160 --> 02:27:30,000
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of numbers and saying that you know

2681
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:32,520
Speaker 1: and the different reasons why you know some of them

2682
02:27:32,600 --> 02:27:35,280
Speaker 1: that's based on the fact they say we're animalistic we're

2683
02:27:35,320 --> 02:27:37,320
Speaker 1: not we're not humans, so we don't take care of

2684
02:27:37,560 --> 02:27:41,280
Speaker 1: our offspring. Break that down for us at Doctor Panda Grass.

2685
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:44,520
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's so much to break down. I definitely

2686
02:27:44,520 --> 02:27:46,320
Speaker 3: would love to see those numbers. As far as what

2687
02:27:46,879 --> 02:27:50,000
Speaker 3: was the argument. You know, I live, I live with

2688
02:27:50,120 --> 02:27:52,120
Speaker 3: I live with facts, I speak facts, and you know,

2689
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:54,640
Speaker 3: being a clinician and Carl, you know the work I do,

2690
02:27:55,400 --> 02:27:58,480
Speaker 3: especially with black men, I probably had one of the

2691
02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:01,840
Speaker 3: busiest caseloads in the country. So first thing, first and foremost,

2692
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:04,720
Speaker 3: I know black men are stepping it up because they're

2693
02:28:04,760 --> 02:28:07,680
Speaker 3: coming to therapy. And that's something that I've shared before

2694
02:28:07,879 --> 02:28:11,280
Speaker 3: on your show. Back in twenty twenty, I was I

2695
02:28:11,360 --> 02:28:14,560
Speaker 3: think black men made up about twenty percent of my

2696
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,360
Speaker 3: client base. Today it's up to like forty five percent.

2697
02:28:17,400 --> 02:28:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm forty to forty five percent. They're coming in, they're

2698
02:28:20,680 --> 02:28:22,960
Speaker 3: coming into therapy, but they're not just coming in. They're

2699
02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:25,600
Speaker 3: the ones making a phone call, you know, to the therapist.

2700
02:28:25,680 --> 02:28:28,200
Speaker 3: Instead of having the wife, the girlfriend, the mom, the

2701
02:28:28,680 --> 02:28:31,400
Speaker 3: auntie you reach out, they're reaching out for help. So

2702
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,320
Speaker 3: you know, when I hear this conversation about you know,

2703
02:28:34,440 --> 02:28:37,320
Speaker 3: black men as father's actually all the numbers I look

2704
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:41,200
Speaker 3: at reflects the opposite that fathers. Black fathers are more

2705
02:28:41,320 --> 02:28:44,280
Speaker 3: active than ever before in their kids' life. I mean

2706
02:28:44,400 --> 02:28:49,320
Speaker 3: since the nineteen seventies. Right now, it's reported that forty

2707
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:52,360
Speaker 3: seven point five percent of black children live without a

2708
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:55,680
Speaker 3: resident father. That's the lowest point since the nineteen seventies.

2709
02:28:56,760 --> 02:28:59,640
Speaker 3: We're seeing all these different movements and all these organizations

2710
02:28:59,720 --> 02:29:03,040
Speaker 3: out there that are you know, in formed about being

2711
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:07,280
Speaker 3: fathers and teaching men how to be in community with

2712
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:10,360
Speaker 3: one another, build with one another, you know, just build

2713
02:29:10,400 --> 02:29:14,400
Speaker 3: these networks in these systems. So I'm really interested to

2714
02:29:14,520 --> 02:29:16,680
Speaker 3: have this conversation. And when you guys reached out about

2715
02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:19,040
Speaker 3: the topic, I was like, Okay, this is gonna be

2716
02:29:19,080 --> 02:29:22,040
Speaker 3: interesting because everything I'm seeing is opposite of that, and

2717
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,160
Speaker 3: I think we're still fighting those those stereotypes. We're still

2718
02:29:25,240 --> 02:29:29,240
Speaker 3: fighting those old belief systems, which even those are skewed.

2719
02:29:29,240 --> 02:29:31,920
Speaker 3: And when you really look into those type of situations,

2720
02:29:31,959 --> 02:29:34,360
Speaker 3: you see the reasons. You see what black men were

2721
02:29:34,400 --> 02:29:38,080
Speaker 3: facing and the reasons they weren't actively present or you know,

2722
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:41,560
Speaker 3: at least reported to be actively present with their children.

2723
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:45,480
Speaker 1: Let me just so, she mentioned seeing a surge of

2724
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:48,520
Speaker 1: black men coming in to see you now, because at

2725
02:29:48,520 --> 02:29:50,800
Speaker 1: one time it was a stigma in the community if

2726
02:29:50,840 --> 02:29:54,720
Speaker 1: you needed help to see somebody like yourself, a counselor.

2727
02:29:56,240 --> 02:29:58,120
Speaker 1: Is there a general theme that you're hearing from the

2728
02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:00,280
Speaker 1: brothers who who are coming in to see you, doc?

2729
02:30:01,440 --> 02:30:03,480
Speaker 3: Uh, you know called they're doing favorite? Can you repeat

2730
02:30:03,480 --> 02:30:04,400
Speaker 3: that last part of the question.

2731
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, is a general theme that you see for these

2732
02:30:07,959 --> 02:30:11,320
Speaker 1: young these one are they older? They're younger? And two

2733
02:30:11,720 --> 02:30:13,480
Speaker 1: is a general issue that they have.

2734
02:30:15,080 --> 02:30:17,280
Speaker 3: You know, there's no one size for it all when

2735
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:19,920
Speaker 3: it comes to issues and problems. So you know, you

2736
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:22,560
Speaker 3: start to see patterns, and I definitely recognize some of

2737
02:30:22,600 --> 02:30:26,440
Speaker 3: the patterns. But we're talking about my youngest male client

2738
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:28,680
Speaker 3: right now, a black male client I think is eight

2739
02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:30,400
Speaker 3: years old, actually six years old.

2740
02:30:31,440 --> 02:30:31,920
Speaker 1: So I have.

2741
02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:35,840
Speaker 3: Teenagers coming in, young adults, and older men coming in.

2742
02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:38,160
Speaker 3: The older men a little slower to come in, but

2743
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:42,880
Speaker 3: the younger generation they're coming in and you know, they

2744
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:46,920
Speaker 3: want therapy. They're not being forced anymore. They're not being told, hey,

2745
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:48,840
Speaker 3: you need to go see a therapist because you know,

2746
02:30:48,959 --> 02:30:54,560
Speaker 3: you got issues. They're recognizing the instabilities, they're recognizing the

2747
02:30:54,680 --> 02:30:57,480
Speaker 3: traumas that they haven't healed from and all the wounds

2748
02:30:57,560 --> 02:31:00,880
Speaker 3: that they're walking around with. So, you know, I'm just

2749
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:02,600
Speaker 3: proud to be a black man. I'm proud to be

2750
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:05,480
Speaker 3: a father, especially to see this. This is something I

2751
02:31:05,560 --> 02:31:08,680
Speaker 3: never expected. Honestly, I hope for, I hoped him, prayed for,

2752
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:10,960
Speaker 3: but it didn't look like we was moving in that

2753
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:14,320
Speaker 3: right direction. But definitely they are coming in, and they

2754
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:17,520
Speaker 3: are coming in, you know, unafraid and unashamed.

2755
02:31:18,480 --> 02:31:20,560
Speaker 1: A family just checking in twelve after To top that

2756
02:31:20,680 --> 02:31:23,080
Speaker 1: with our guess. He's a licensed and mental health counselor.

2757
02:31:23,080 --> 02:31:26,119
Speaker 1: His name is doctor Jason Anthony Pendergrast and doctor Jason,

2758
02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you had a patient as young as

2759
02:31:28,360 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 1: eight years old. What kind of issues I'm forgiven for

2760
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:34,880
Speaker 1: being naive, but what kind of issues cand of eight

2761
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:38,040
Speaker 1: year old have or recognized and knows that he needs

2762
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:38,720
Speaker 1: some sort of help.

2763
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:43,720
Speaker 3: Well, you know, fortunately, self esteem, self confidence, it's something

2764
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:47,720
Speaker 3: that we're seeing it with younger clients. Of course, behavioral

2765
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:52,000
Speaker 3: issues and peer pressure and you know, school related issues.

2766
02:31:52,040 --> 02:31:54,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of bullying that's happening, but you know

2767
02:31:55,040 --> 02:31:57,680
Speaker 3: it's just you know, parents are saying, hey, you know,

2768
02:31:58,160 --> 02:32:00,840
Speaker 3: we're seeing some behavioral issues we're seeing some lying, We're

2769
02:32:00,840 --> 02:32:04,280
Speaker 3: seeing some questionable behaviors, and then you start to look

2770
02:32:04,320 --> 02:32:06,600
Speaker 3: into it and you find out these kids are dealing

2771
02:32:06,680 --> 02:32:12,120
Speaker 3: with depression. They're anxious, they're worried, they're stressed out, They

2772
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:14,640
Speaker 3: don't you know, they feel like nobody's listening to them.

2773
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:16,800
Speaker 3: You know, everybody's telling them what to do, but nobody's

2774
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:21,240
Speaker 3: guiding them how to do it. So it varies, but

2775
02:32:21,720 --> 02:32:25,520
Speaker 3: you know, I definitely have an influx of young clients

2776
02:32:25,560 --> 02:32:26,400
Speaker 3: coming in more than ever.

2777
02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:30,360
Speaker 1: That is interesting. Did you think the schooling has something

2778
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:33,160
Speaker 1: to do with it? Because many times that when they

2779
02:32:33,440 --> 02:32:35,520
Speaker 1: go to classes these days on talking about how how

2780
02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:38,040
Speaker 1: folks teacher does not look like them, especially in the

2781
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:41,120
Speaker 1: public school system. Is that an issue you're hearing about.

2782
02:32:41,959 --> 02:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I talk about that quite often. You know

2783
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:46,800
Speaker 3: when I when I meet with the parents, you know,

2784
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:49,760
Speaker 3: after we do a consultation, we do an intake with

2785
02:32:49,840 --> 02:32:52,160
Speaker 3: the parents and we really talk about some of the

2786
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:54,880
Speaker 3: factors just to make them aware of And you know,

2787
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:57,440
Speaker 3: if I'm dealing with the you know, single mom with

2788
02:32:57,520 --> 02:33:01,920
Speaker 3: the young black male, you know, I'm asking about, okay,

2789
02:33:02,200 --> 02:33:04,560
Speaker 3: where are the where are the men at in his life?

2790
02:33:05,720 --> 02:33:09,800
Speaker 3: Or does he play any sports. Does he have any coaches? Teachers?

2791
02:33:10,360 --> 02:33:11,200
Speaker 7: That's a big issue.

2792
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:14,400
Speaker 3: There's just not enough male teachers period, but as far

2793
02:33:14,440 --> 02:33:17,800
Speaker 3: as black male teachers, so they're not really getting the

2794
02:33:17,959 --> 02:33:21,800
Speaker 3: chance to really you know, have those moments, especially those

2795
02:33:21,800 --> 02:33:23,360
Speaker 3: you know in a school and that type of setting

2796
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:26,959
Speaker 3: where you're being educated. So that is a huge issue.

2797
02:33:27,400 --> 02:33:30,760
Speaker 3: That's something that needs to be addressed and fixed. I

2798
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:34,720
Speaker 3: think it really does benefit black mails when they actually

2799
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:38,400
Speaker 3: get to encounter with teachers that look like them. Obviously,

2800
02:33:38,480 --> 02:33:40,280
Speaker 3: I think that is a huge thing. You got to

2801
02:33:40,320 --> 02:33:43,440
Speaker 3: give schools credit. I mean, they're they're working on tight budgets,

2802
02:33:43,879 --> 02:33:47,520
Speaker 3: they're they're overworked, understaff, teachers are not getting what they

2803
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:50,800
Speaker 3: obviously need to be paid. So you know, we have

2804
02:33:50,959 --> 02:33:53,879
Speaker 3: to stop looking at the schools to fix our kids problem.

2805
02:33:53,959 --> 02:33:56,000
Speaker 3: That's an in house thing. You know, we got to

2806
02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:57,440
Speaker 3: make sure we put in the work in house and

2807
02:33:57,480 --> 02:33:59,840
Speaker 3: we're dealing with these issues and not you know, expect

2808
02:34:00,280 --> 02:34:03,880
Speaker 3: the schools to you know, raise our kids or to

2809
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:07,000
Speaker 3: discipline our kids or you know, we got to take

2810
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:07,800
Speaker 3: that on ourselves.

2811
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:10,080
Speaker 1: All right, hold u though, right then we come back though,

2812
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:13,080
Speaker 1: tell us about their entertainment, their music, because earlier this week,

2813
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:14,680
Speaker 1: we had a brother come on and he was saying

2814
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:17,640
Speaker 1: that the music is influencing our children, you know with

2815
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:20,800
Speaker 1: the cuss words. You know, it is calling it the

2816
02:34:21,080 --> 02:34:23,400
Speaker 1: B word, the N word, and they just usually just

2817
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, interchangeably like nothing's new and thinks that's part

2818
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:29,560
Speaker 1: of the problem. We have violence in our community. So

2819
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:31,160
Speaker 1: I'll let you flesh that out when we get back.

2820
02:34:31,360 --> 02:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Family YouTube can join our conversation. I guess doctor Jason

2821
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:38,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Penograss, he's a license mental health counselor, is what

2822
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:41,240
Speaker 1: he sees the people. Most of his clients are are

2823
02:34:41,360 --> 02:34:43,440
Speaker 1: people and they have varying issues and he deals with

2824
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:45,520
Speaker 1: them on a one on one basis. What are your thoughts?

2825
02:34:45,760 --> 02:34:48,360
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2826
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:50,360
Speaker 1: six number of the calls speak to doctor Jason will

2827
02:34:50,400 --> 02:34:52,920
Speaker 1: take your calls next and grind rising. Family, thanks to

2828
02:34:52,920 --> 02:34:55,480
Speaker 1: staying with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hump day.

2829
02:34:55,480 --> 02:34:57,240
Speaker 1: We're half of through of the work week with our guests,

2830
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:00,440
Speaker 1: doctor Jason Anthony penographs. Doctor Jason is a license and

2831
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:03,400
Speaker 1: mental health counselor. And before the breakdown, my question to you,

2832
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:05,160
Speaker 1: because we had a guest earlier this week and says

2833
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:07,520
Speaker 1: something that, well, at least one of the reasons, and

2834
02:35:07,800 --> 02:35:10,360
Speaker 1: he thinks it's the main reason. It's the entertainment is

2835
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:14,080
Speaker 1: confusing our young people, the kind of music they listen to,

2836
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 1: the kind of videos they watch, and they try to

2837
02:35:17,360 --> 02:35:19,200
Speaker 1: they try to relive that what they see in these

2838
02:35:19,440 --> 02:35:23,360
Speaker 1: videos and the music that's being played that turns them around.

2839
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts is that Do you

2840
02:35:25,160 --> 02:35:26,040
Speaker 1: see that as an issue?

2841
02:35:26,840 --> 02:35:27,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

2842
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:31,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. Music has always been a mirror and a messenger.

2843
02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:34,880
Speaker 3: You know, when it comes to the community, it reflects

2844
02:35:34,959 --> 02:35:37,400
Speaker 3: what's happening in the community. You know, for black men,

2845
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:40,120
Speaker 3: hip hop and R and B, it's just not about entertainment.

2846
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:45,040
Speaker 3: It's about identity, emotion, and even even more codes. So yeah,

2847
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:46,640
Speaker 3: music is absolutely influential.

2848
02:35:47,879 --> 02:35:48,040
Speaker 15: You know.

2849
02:35:48,200 --> 02:35:50,480
Speaker 3: The thing is is it building building us up or

2850
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:52,840
Speaker 3: is it breaking us down? And from what you're talking

2851
02:35:52,879 --> 02:35:57,320
Speaker 3: about and what I'm seeing, you know, it's definitely doing both.

2852
02:35:57,560 --> 02:35:59,840
Speaker 3: It has the potential to do both. That's how powerful

2853
02:36:00,040 --> 02:36:04,440
Speaker 3: music is. I mean, it shapes our emotional regulation. It

2854
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:08,280
Speaker 3: helps us with coping mechanisms. I mean, even relationship expectations

2855
02:36:08,920 --> 02:36:12,480
Speaker 3: can come from music from a song. So just the

2856
02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:15,199
Speaker 3: way a gospel song can U lift somebody, A drill

2857
02:36:15,320 --> 02:36:19,000
Speaker 3: track can just you know, validate pain or aggression or

2858
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:22,240
Speaker 3: anger that you know, we're definitely facing in the black community.

2859
02:36:22,400 --> 02:36:28,400
Speaker 3: So absolutely, one thousand percent, music is influencing the culture

2860
02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:29,520
Speaker 3: and our young.

2861
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Brothers twenty one after Tough. So the question begs, now,

2862
02:36:33,080 --> 02:36:34,840
Speaker 1: how do we you know, how do we get them

2863
02:36:34,879 --> 02:36:37,640
Speaker 1: to appreciate the difference. There's all kinds of music out there.

2864
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:40,680
Speaker 1: There's positive hip hop, you're probably that generation hip hop

2865
02:36:41,320 --> 02:36:44,080
Speaker 1: rap generation. How do we get them to listen to

2866
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:45,920
Speaker 1: the positive ones? And how do we get them to

2867
02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:49,200
Speaker 1: ignore the ones that are destructed? And I'll just add

2868
02:36:49,240 --> 02:36:51,720
Speaker 1: they said, you know, I've spoken to young people about

2869
02:36:51,720 --> 02:36:53,240
Speaker 1: this and they say that they don't even hear the

2870
02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:56,400
Speaker 1: curse words. You know, it's just another word to them.

2871
02:36:56,879 --> 02:36:59,600
Speaker 1: Is that where we're now well, and we'll use the

2872
02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:02,040
Speaker 1: N word as an example for them, it's a term

2873
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:06,240
Speaker 1: of endearment. For us, it's as a negative connotation. And

2874
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:08,840
Speaker 1: if so, how do we how do we reverse that

2875
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:09,400
Speaker 1: or should we?

2876
02:37:10,440 --> 02:37:10,600
Speaker 10: Oh?

2877
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:12,840
Speaker 3: Man, you know that that's something that's that's pretty deep

2878
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:15,680
Speaker 3: right now? How to reverse that that that's a that's

2879
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:17,520
Speaker 3: a good question. I mean, you got you got a

2880
02:37:17,520 --> 02:37:21,000
Speaker 3: little white kids walking around call themselves in word to

2881
02:37:21,160 --> 02:37:25,440
Speaker 3: each other. So it's it's it's definitely has uh, you know,

2882
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:28,000
Speaker 3: transcended as far as you know what the word means

2883
02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:31,360
Speaker 3: and how it impacts people. You know, going back to

2884
02:37:32,680 --> 02:37:35,720
Speaker 3: what you had mentioned before just about the music piece,

2885
02:37:36,400 --> 02:37:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a blueprint for who we are.

2886
02:37:40,320 --> 02:37:43,320
Speaker 3: You know, we often communicate through through through music and

2887
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:47,560
Speaker 3: you know, just uh, it really starts at home. It

2888
02:37:47,640 --> 02:37:49,840
Speaker 3: goes back to home once again, because we we got

2889
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:52,880
Speaker 3: to take leadership of our homes. Kids are going to

2890
02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:56,320
Speaker 3: enjoy what they're around, what influences them. So if you're

2891
02:37:56,400 --> 02:38:00,520
Speaker 3: not offering you know, different options, different types of genres

2892
02:38:00,800 --> 02:38:04,400
Speaker 3: or even Christian hip hop or faith based hip hop

2893
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:07,800
Speaker 3: is you know, it's you know, I played for my kids.

2894
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:08,160
Speaker 10: They love it.

2895
02:38:08,200 --> 02:38:10,640
Speaker 3: They can't tell the difference. Of course, there's no curse

2896
02:38:10,720 --> 02:38:12,560
Speaker 3: words and or you know, b wards or anything like that.

2897
02:38:12,760 --> 02:38:15,840
Speaker 3: So we can't control what our kids are going to

2898
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:18,280
Speaker 3: experiense once they step out the home. They're going to

2899
02:38:18,320 --> 02:38:21,640
Speaker 3: be influenced by peers, by society, by the culture. But

2900
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:24,120
Speaker 3: at least we can do something, you know, we got

2901
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:25,840
Speaker 3: to make sure we take it back to the house,

2902
02:38:26,280 --> 02:38:31,000
Speaker 3: and we're opening up these opportunities and different options. And yeah,

2903
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:33,720
Speaker 3: it really starts back with you know, how do we

2904
02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:35,880
Speaker 3: influence our kids? Though we start at home?

2905
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:38,680
Speaker 1: They speak about home in twenty three minutes out of

2906
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:41,840
Speaker 1: the tough of that with doctor Jason Anthony Panagras, Doctor Jason,

2907
02:38:42,480 --> 02:38:46,840
Speaker 1: I've spoken to with parents and children, and they the

2908
02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:49,480
Speaker 1: parents sould do what the children are doing. That's how

2909
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:52,680
Speaker 1: they learn. They smoke, we they get high together. They drink.

2910
02:38:52,959 --> 02:38:55,680
Speaker 1: This guy's telling me the first time he sipped the

2911
02:38:55,720 --> 02:38:58,760
Speaker 1: bears his dad gave him. It was like nine years old.

2912
02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:01,360
Speaker 1: His dad, Hey, man, drink this and make you a man.

2913
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:04,680
Speaker 1: How do we how do we kind of program that

2914
02:39:04,840 --> 02:39:07,000
Speaker 1: if that's what the image of the getting at home

2915
02:39:07,240 --> 02:39:10,520
Speaker 1: they're doing at home with their children. Obviously once to

2916
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:11,800
Speaker 1: get on the street, they're going to be doing the

2917
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:13,920
Speaker 1: same thing. So how do we change that around or

2918
02:39:13,959 --> 02:39:14,320
Speaker 1: should we?

2919
02:39:15,600 --> 02:39:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we get we got we gotta change some

2920
02:39:17,720 --> 02:39:20,959
Speaker 3: things around. So uh, giving given given beer as a kid,

2921
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:23,120
Speaker 3: I remember my dad used to do that, but not

2922
02:39:23,320 --> 02:39:26,119
Speaker 3: not you know, not every day, but every now and then.

2923
02:39:26,800 --> 02:39:29,120
Speaker 3: I do remember that. And you know, I think a

2924
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:32,080
Speaker 3: lot of fathers will do that, but obviously, what what

2925
02:39:32,280 --> 02:39:34,039
Speaker 3: type of example are you saying, And when it comes

2926
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:36,960
Speaker 3: down to it, you know, you don't, they don't You

2927
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:39,120
Speaker 3: don't need to do that for them to see the

2928
02:39:39,200 --> 02:39:42,360
Speaker 3: impact of drugs and alcohol. They see it everywhere from

2929
02:39:42,360 --> 02:39:44,360
Speaker 3: when they turn on the TV to when they step out.

2930
02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:47,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hearing stories of you know, kids in

2931
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:50,960
Speaker 3: school eight nine years old in the bathroom vaping and

2932
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:54,720
Speaker 3: smoking and just doing all kinds of just behaviors that

2933
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:56,920
Speaker 3: you know, when we were that age, we just had

2934
02:39:57,040 --> 02:40:00,360
Speaker 3: no just recollection of just just there was no way

2935
02:40:00,360 --> 02:40:01,880
Speaker 3: we're going to get into those type of things. But

2936
02:40:02,040 --> 02:40:07,320
Speaker 3: it's so prevalent now, it's so accessible now, and you know,

2937
02:40:07,480 --> 02:40:12,160
Speaker 3: it's hard to fight what they encounter when they step

2938
02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:14,440
Speaker 3: out into the world. The best thing we could do

2939
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:18,240
Speaker 3: is make sure we provide a safe home base, a

2940
02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:22,320
Speaker 3: good environment. We are constantly affirming them. You know, a

2941
02:40:22,400 --> 02:40:26,000
Speaker 3: lot of the behavior that I'm seeing with clients is

2942
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:28,560
Speaker 3: the need to be liked, is the need to be validated,

2943
02:40:28,600 --> 02:40:31,920
Speaker 3: is to need to be accepted. So they're constantly seeking

2944
02:40:31,959 --> 02:40:35,840
Speaker 3: this self acceptance from others, which you know, if you're

2945
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:38,040
Speaker 3: doing what you need to be doing at home, and

2946
02:40:38,120 --> 02:40:41,360
Speaker 3: you're in power these young brothers, and you're just speaking

2947
02:40:41,440 --> 02:40:44,280
Speaker 3: to them in affirming ways and just making sure they

2948
02:40:44,360 --> 02:40:46,600
Speaker 3: know their value so when they step out to that world,

2949
02:40:46,920 --> 02:40:48,400
Speaker 3: they're not trying to seek it through others.

2950
02:40:50,120 --> 02:40:53,160
Speaker 1: I haven't said that. Twenty five after the top of day, Doc,

2951
02:40:53,320 --> 02:40:55,600
Speaker 1: How do we get this message across too? Of the

2952
02:40:55,640 --> 02:41:01,000
Speaker 1: adults in their lives? How do we reach them? Many

2953
02:41:01,000 --> 02:41:03,160
Speaker 1: of them probably won't want to hear this message because

2954
02:41:03,160 --> 02:41:06,600
Speaker 1: that's what they used to and I want to describe

2955
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:09,680
Speaker 1: it as the genitive. But what we're talking about did

2956
02:41:09,800 --> 02:41:12,000
Speaker 1: showing smoke and getting high with your children, you know,

2957
02:41:12,480 --> 02:41:15,600
Speaker 1: get drinking and having at these are you know, young

2958
02:41:15,680 --> 02:41:18,680
Speaker 1: adults or teenagers, And so how do we get that

2959
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:21,960
Speaker 1: message across because obviously some of these folks missed the

2960
02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:22,840
Speaker 1: parenting class.

2961
02:41:23,800 --> 02:41:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, people don't make changes until they

2962
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:29,840
Speaker 3: start seeing the impact of the lack of change, you know.

2963
02:41:31,080 --> 02:41:33,720
Speaker 3: So when I think about, you know, how do we

2964
02:41:34,959 --> 02:41:38,160
Speaker 3: tell a parent to be mindful aware of these behaviors

2965
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:40,440
Speaker 3: because it can lead to this, Well, we have to

2966
02:41:40,480 --> 02:41:43,280
Speaker 3: show them what happens. We have to actually be able

2967
02:41:43,360 --> 02:41:45,240
Speaker 3: to show them the consequences. And there's a lot of

2968
02:41:45,240 --> 02:41:47,200
Speaker 3: evidence of that right now. You don't have to look

2969
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Speaker 3: far to see what's going on with these young kids.

2970
02:41:50,879 --> 02:41:53,400
Speaker 3: And you know, a case that I heard about, not

2971
02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:55,560
Speaker 3: not on the news, but as a clinician because you know,

2972
02:41:55,640 --> 02:41:58,640
Speaker 3: we were talking. This is in Cleveland. A young I

2973
02:41:58,760 --> 02:42:02,240
Speaker 3: believe ten year old girl was taken to like a

2974
02:42:02,320 --> 02:42:06,520
Speaker 3: wooded area and assaulted and just beaten and left for dead.

2975
02:42:07,160 --> 02:42:09,360
Speaker 3: And from what I understand, some of these kids were

2976
02:42:09,480 --> 02:42:11,440
Speaker 3: maybe as young as six, six or ten years old

2977
02:42:11,480 --> 02:42:14,440
Speaker 3: they did this. So you know what's going on here,

2978
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:18,880
Speaker 3: you know what's going on in our communities. So it's

2979
02:42:18,920 --> 02:42:21,200
Speaker 3: a collective effort. We got to get back to the community.

2980
02:42:21,320 --> 02:42:23,760
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm seeing as well with black men,

2981
02:42:23,879 --> 02:42:27,640
Speaker 3: is that they're forming organizations as built on getting giving

2982
02:42:27,720 --> 02:42:30,959
Speaker 3: back to the community, protecting the community, protecting black women,

2983
02:42:31,959 --> 02:42:34,040
Speaker 3: protecting these young brothers and sisters.

2984
02:42:34,160 --> 02:42:34,320
Speaker 15: You know.

2985
02:42:35,440 --> 02:42:38,440
Speaker 3: So I'm seeing those trends. I'm seeing these organizations pop

2986
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:41,440
Speaker 3: up all over the country, and they're doing a lot

2987
02:42:41,480 --> 02:42:43,440
Speaker 3: of work. They're putting the money with them outeds. So

2988
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:49,640
Speaker 3: it's you know, parents, it's it's one of those things

2989
02:42:49,680 --> 02:42:52,600
Speaker 3: where if you don't do something, something's going to be done,

2990
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:55,480
Speaker 3: and it's it's better up to be up to you

2991
02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:57,320
Speaker 3: than to leave it to the streets, because the streets

2992
02:42:57,400 --> 02:43:00,280
Speaker 3: will not care about your kids. It was true them up,

2993
02:43:00,320 --> 02:43:02,800
Speaker 3: spit them out, and just wait for the next victim.

2994
02:43:04,080 --> 02:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Twenty eight minutes after the top of that with I

2995
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:08,680
Speaker 1: guess there's a licensed mental health counselor as a clinician,

2996
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:12,520
Speaker 1: doctor Jason Anthony Panogras. We're especially talking about black men.

2997
02:43:13,080 --> 02:43:15,000
Speaker 1: There's a report myth out there that black men don't

2998
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:17,720
Speaker 1: support the children. We're talking about the entire household. But

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02:43:18,600 --> 02:43:22,840
Speaker 1: doctor Jason, the internet, because you mentioned too about the

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02:43:23,160 --> 02:43:25,560
Speaker 1: group in Cleveland and what they did and why they

3001
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:27,600
Speaker 1: did it. Is all this for likes you because you're

3002
02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:29,640
Speaker 1: saying that people come to see you that they want

3003
02:43:29,680 --> 02:43:31,760
Speaker 1: to be liked. So it's just why we're seeing an

3004
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:34,960
Speaker 1: uptick of crazy stuff on the Internet where people just

3005
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:37,280
Speaker 1: doing it just to get likes, or are they getting

3006
02:43:37,280 --> 02:43:37,680
Speaker 1: paid for.

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02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:38,080
Speaker 4: It or what?

3008
02:43:38,280 --> 02:43:38,920
Speaker 1: How do you see it?

3009
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's a combination. I mean, I

3010
02:43:41,400 --> 02:43:43,760
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, people are really making that kind

3011
02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:44,640
Speaker 3: of money on the Internet.

3012
02:43:44,680 --> 02:43:45,320
Speaker 9: I'm sure some.

3013
02:43:45,360 --> 02:43:48,920
Speaker 3: People are for their posts and all that, but for

3014
02:43:49,640 --> 02:43:52,440
Speaker 3: likes and followers. I mean, that seems to be the

3015
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:55,800
Speaker 3: thing right now and people are doing anything whatever it

3016
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:59,879
Speaker 3: takes to get those likes and follows. But even Austin

3017
02:44:00,080 --> 02:44:02,640
Speaker 3: and that, we're still seeing that in schools and the

3018
02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:05,680
Speaker 3: way they're behaving. And you know, the bullying thing has

3019
02:44:05,800 --> 02:44:08,080
Speaker 3: always you know, I'm the bully, I'm the cool kid.

3020
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm you know, people people either fear me or like me,

3021
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:15,040
Speaker 3: you know, so we're seeing so much bullying. The cyber

3022
02:44:15,160 --> 02:44:19,080
Speaker 3: bullying is a major thing. You know, these uh, these

3023
02:44:19,120 --> 02:44:22,560
Speaker 3: young brothers are just not equipped to deal with that.

3024
02:44:23,040 --> 02:44:25,600
Speaker 3: And you know, you gotta have a you gotta have

3025
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:28,080
Speaker 3: a strong base. You gotta have parents that are not

3026
02:44:28,160 --> 02:44:30,480
Speaker 3: afraid to talk to you, not afraid to you know,

3027
02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:32,640
Speaker 3: pour into you and really spend time with you and

3028
02:44:32,680 --> 02:44:36,240
Speaker 3: connect with you. Kids tell me in session that I'm

3029
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:39,400
Speaker 3: afraid to talk to my parents. I'm afraid to tell

3030
02:44:39,480 --> 02:44:44,080
Speaker 3: them anything because immediately there's criticism, Immediately there's blame, and

3031
02:44:44,120 --> 02:44:47,600
Speaker 3: there's some form of punishment. So you know, they've they've

3032
02:44:47,840 --> 02:44:50,960
Speaker 3: relegated to just not saying anything and hey, you know

3033
02:44:51,120 --> 02:44:53,680
Speaker 3: how you doing today? They're like, oh, I'm good. They're

3034
02:44:53,720 --> 02:44:56,680
Speaker 3: not diving into what's really going on. So when they

3035
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:59,720
Speaker 3: come into therapy, you know they'll know, hey, you're you're

3036
02:44:59,800 --> 02:45:02,400
Speaker 3: you're safe here. Everything you tell me is confidential, of

3037
02:45:02,480 --> 02:45:06,040
Speaker 3: course with certain exceptions, and you start to hear about

3038
02:45:06,080 --> 02:45:08,960
Speaker 3: these things that they're dealing with, and uh, you know,

3039
02:45:09,440 --> 02:45:12,560
Speaker 3: just sitting down with the parent and letting them know, hey,

3040
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:15,879
Speaker 3: there's a wall, there's a barrier that your child sees

3041
02:45:16,200 --> 02:45:19,080
Speaker 3: when it comes to communicated with you. Let's work together

3042
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:19,840
Speaker 3: to take that water.

3043
02:45:21,560 --> 02:45:24,320
Speaker 1: Got you thirty minutes A tough ver. That guest you Jason,

3044
02:45:24,440 --> 02:45:28,199
Speaker 1: Anthony and pandagraph Ja is joining us from Ohio Online.

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02:45:28,280 --> 02:45:34,199
Speaker 17: One Grand Rising j Jason, Yes, sir grand Rising.

3046
02:45:34,840 --> 02:45:38,000
Speaker 18: A couple of quick things. I was gonna say I

3047
02:45:38,480 --> 02:45:41,360
Speaker 18: as a link, I feel my generation is between the

3048
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:46,600
Speaker 18: very old and then these young folks out here with

3049
02:45:47,080 --> 02:45:49,960
Speaker 18: the way they are. I would just say that in

3050
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:53,080
Speaker 18: word argument that stuff we way pasted all of that.

3051
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:55,600
Speaker 18: So I'm just kind of just letting y'all know, like

3052
02:45:56,600 --> 02:45:58,560
Speaker 18: folks that still something else should we or should we know?

3053
02:45:58,600 --> 02:46:01,640
Speaker 18: I use the invert I can't even express the y'all

3054
02:46:01,720 --> 02:46:04,640
Speaker 18: how behind that is? We are pat that it's about

3055
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:10,240
Speaker 18: what people are consuming and what people think of themselves

3056
02:46:10,360 --> 02:46:13,200
Speaker 18: and how they devalue life. So that's just an antidote

3057
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:16,000
Speaker 18: I will put there. But the real reason for my

3058
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:21,360
Speaker 18: call though is, you know, people always talk about therapy

3059
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:25,320
Speaker 18: and the gentleman that your guests that's on right now,

3060
02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:28,680
Speaker 18: I'm sure he's aware of this, but how they're always

3061
02:46:28,680 --> 02:46:32,960
Speaker 18: saying food deserts, Well, they're a black therapist desert as he.

3062
02:46:33,240 --> 02:46:37,480
Speaker 18: I'm sure you keep getting not acknowledge that, but I

3063
02:46:37,600 --> 02:46:40,400
Speaker 18: feel like that should be a greater part of the

3064
02:46:40,480 --> 02:46:45,160
Speaker 18: conversation because when people are talking about getting helped, generally speaking,

3065
02:46:45,280 --> 02:46:48,039
Speaker 18: not you, they're always saying it's time for us.

3066
02:46:47,959 --> 02:46:51,280
Speaker 19: To be open to therapy. Get therapy, get therapy. They

3067
02:46:51,400 --> 02:46:54,840
Speaker 19: say that, But you can't talk about this anymore without

3068
02:46:55,280 --> 02:47:00,800
Speaker 19: acknowledging there are enough and we're not funneling people into

3069
02:47:00,920 --> 02:47:03,920
Speaker 19: that field so that maybe eventually there can be enough.

3070
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:06,600
Speaker 19: And and on the way out, I would just say particularly,

3071
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:09,640
Speaker 19: I mean, there's not enough black therapists at all. But

3072
02:47:09,800 --> 02:47:12,520
Speaker 19: on the black mail front, let me just say I

3073
02:47:12,640 --> 02:47:15,480
Speaker 19: had a loved one who I was kind of staying

3074
02:47:15,560 --> 02:47:17,920
Speaker 19: based on a lot of things, like I don't think

3075
02:47:17,959 --> 02:47:19,800
Speaker 19: it would be a bad idea to try to talk

3076
02:47:19,879 --> 02:47:22,760
Speaker 19: to someone you know, Da da da. When that person

3077
02:47:22,879 --> 02:47:26,400
Speaker 19: went looking, they couldn't And I'll just say, I'm in

3078
02:47:26,440 --> 02:47:30,240
Speaker 19: a Midwest town in Ohio. They could not find one

3079
02:47:30,680 --> 02:47:34,200
Speaker 19: black male therapist that they could see, and especially that

3080
02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:36,760
Speaker 19: would accept any insurance because you know, you all have

3081
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:41,240
Speaker 19: some other challenges with being able to take that state

3082
02:47:41,440 --> 02:47:42,680
Speaker 19: insurance and things like that.

3083
02:47:43,040 --> 02:47:44,960
Speaker 18: So I'd love to hear you speak to that, and

3084
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:47,000
Speaker 18: I'll wait and I'll take that call off the year

3085
02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:49,480
Speaker 18: since I'm having them get ready to drive. So thank

3086
02:47:49,560 --> 02:47:50,119
Speaker 18: you so much.

3087
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:59,320
Speaker 3: Wow, that was my day right there. So yeah, let's

3088
02:47:59,360 --> 02:48:03,360
Speaker 3: first talk about that because this is something I advocate for,

3089
02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:07,040
Speaker 3: and Carl, you've heard me talk about this on the

3090
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:11,880
Speaker 3: show before. Yes, I know I'm an anomaly. I know

3091
02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:16,440
Speaker 3: there are not enough black clinicians period. I think the

3092
02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:18,520
Speaker 3: last time I checked, the number is like sixty seven

3093
02:48:18,600 --> 02:48:24,080
Speaker 3: percent of all the therapists clinicians are black, and out

3094
02:48:24,120 --> 02:48:26,920
Speaker 3: of the six percent, I think one out of six

3095
02:48:27,080 --> 02:48:31,080
Speaker 3: are black males. So yeah, there's a big problem. And

3096
02:48:31,440 --> 02:48:34,320
Speaker 3: as more black men are coming into therapy more, as

3097
02:48:34,400 --> 02:48:38,280
Speaker 3: more black teens and adolescents are coming into therapy, they

3098
02:48:39,280 --> 02:48:43,840
Speaker 3: thrive when the representation is there, when they can see

3099
02:48:43,879 --> 02:48:47,560
Speaker 3: themselves in the clinician and you know, it's one of

3100
02:48:47,600 --> 02:48:50,560
Speaker 3: those things where I was getting to the point where

3101
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:52,960
Speaker 3: you have to say, no, I can't keep taking on

3102
02:48:53,080 --> 02:48:57,560
Speaker 3: more clients. My caseload is insane, sometimes twelve averaging ten

3103
02:48:57,600 --> 02:48:59,840
Speaker 3: to twelve clients a day. And it's because of that,

3104
02:49:00,400 --> 02:49:04,240
Speaker 3: because you know, it's being being a black commission is

3105
02:49:04,280 --> 02:49:07,320
Speaker 3: one thing, but being a good black condition, well, hey,

3106
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:10,560
Speaker 3: that's that's another thing. So it's it is an issue.

3107
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:12,800
Speaker 3: It's something that I and she said the word funnel.

3108
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:15,440
Speaker 3: I'm so glad she said that because that's something that

3109
02:49:15,560 --> 02:49:19,280
Speaker 3: I really have a heart for and my goal is

3110
02:49:19,360 --> 02:49:22,360
Speaker 3: to develop some type of pipeline. Well we can start

3111
02:49:22,440 --> 02:49:25,800
Speaker 3: getting young, but it's into this counseling space just to

3112
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:29,880
Speaker 3: whether it's psycho education or whether it's just knowing about

3113
02:49:29,959 --> 02:49:35,320
Speaker 3: this industry that that death definitely needs representation to you know,

3114
02:49:35,560 --> 02:49:38,200
Speaker 3: find ways in different programs, whether in middle schools or

3115
02:49:38,280 --> 02:49:42,400
Speaker 3: high schools, to start learning about this profession. It's it's

3116
02:49:42,879 --> 02:49:45,040
Speaker 3: it's dire, it's something that needs to be addressed. It

3117
02:49:45,080 --> 02:49:48,560
Speaker 3: needs to be done. And yeah, absolutely, one thousand percent

3118
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:52,000
Speaker 3: everything she said, it's spot on. We need more black

3119
02:49:52,040 --> 02:49:56,080
Speaker 3: clinicians so thank you for that comment. That was amazing.

3120
02:49:56,760 --> 02:49:59,480
Speaker 1: All right, twenty five way from the top, that what

3121
02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:01,040
Speaker 1: made you go into this field?

3122
02:50:02,520 --> 02:50:07,080
Speaker 3: You know, I say, I didn't choose this profession, that

3123
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:09,879
Speaker 3: chose me. And you know, I am a man of faith,

3124
02:50:09,959 --> 02:50:12,520
Speaker 3: so I know a man plans the steps, but the

3125
02:50:12,600 --> 02:50:14,680
Speaker 3: Lord directs his path. And then I think this is

3126
02:50:14,920 --> 02:50:19,520
Speaker 3: a true depiction of that. I just never in a

3127
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:22,280
Speaker 3: million years wanted to ever sit and listen to other

3128
02:50:22,320 --> 02:50:23,560
Speaker 3: people's issues or problems.

3129
02:50:23,600 --> 02:50:24,240
Speaker 5: I got my own.

3130
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:27,040
Speaker 3: And it's just, you know, just the mindset that me

3131
02:50:27,160 --> 02:50:29,520
Speaker 3: growing up as a as a young black male like

3132
02:50:29,640 --> 02:50:32,080
Speaker 3: I would never consider to me it was just a

3133
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:35,800
Speaker 3: white professional therapists, white people who shrinks and and all

3134
02:50:35,879 --> 02:50:38,680
Speaker 3: that stuff. And then you know, you get into this

3135
02:50:38,800 --> 02:50:43,560
Speaker 3: space and you see the ability, the power, the power

3136
02:50:43,640 --> 02:50:48,440
Speaker 3: that you can use to really impact people and people listen.

3137
02:50:48,480 --> 02:50:51,160
Speaker 3: You know, when these young brothers come in and they see,

3138
02:50:51,800 --> 02:50:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, a black male in this space, you know,

3139
02:50:54,080 --> 02:50:57,440
Speaker 3: in a suit and professional, it's more than a therapy.

3140
02:50:57,560 --> 02:51:01,040
Speaker 3: It's about that representation that matters. They need to see

3141
02:51:01,080 --> 02:51:04,760
Speaker 3: those those examples and what happens we get to build

3142
02:51:04,760 --> 02:51:08,480
Speaker 3: a relationship. This is a therapeutic relationship that's formed, So

3143
02:51:08,959 --> 02:51:13,560
Speaker 3: it's there's intimacy involved, there's counsel there's guidance, but there's

3144
02:51:13,560 --> 02:51:18,640
Speaker 3: also a positive representation of you know, of who they are.

3145
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:23,000
Speaker 3: So it's so important and we definitely need to do

3146
02:51:23,080 --> 02:51:26,920
Speaker 3: our part and tell parents, you know, hey, talk to

3147
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:31,039
Speaker 3: your children about psychology, about counseling. Maybe that's something they

3148
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:34,760
Speaker 3: can explore because mental health counseling is scheduled to be

3149
02:51:34,879 --> 02:51:36,359
Speaker 3: one of the fastest growing.

3150
02:51:37,720 --> 02:51:40,360
Speaker 1: Hello, yeah, yeah, I'll let you vince you tho. I

3151
02:51:40,440 --> 02:51:42,640
Speaker 1: know the music put you off from it, right, Let's

3152
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:47,080
Speaker 1: stay right and David and DC as a question or

3153
02:51:47,120 --> 02:51:48,879
Speaker 1: comment for you as well, family, you two can join

3154
02:51:48,920 --> 02:51:52,240
Speaker 1: our conversation with our guess, doctor Jason Anthony Panagrash. You

3155
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:54,360
Speaker 1: can reach them at eight hundred four or five zero

3156
02:51:54,879 --> 02:51:57,360
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

3157
02:51:57,520 --> 02:51:59,879
Speaker 1: Next a grind rising family, thanks for rolling with us

3158
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:02,600
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning, eighteen minutes away from the top

3159
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:05,600
Speaker 1: of that hour. That guest licensed mental health counselors is

3160
02:52:05,640 --> 02:52:08,440
Speaker 1: doctor Jason Anthony Pandograds. He's a clinician and he deals

3161
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:11,880
Speaker 1: with our people, especially young people, young men, young males

3162
02:52:12,400 --> 02:52:15,400
Speaker 1: who has issues and they looking for a person looks

3163
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:18,480
Speaker 1: like them to sort those issues, and they go to

3164
02:52:18,600 --> 02:52:23,000
Speaker 1: doctor Jason anyway, doctor Jason. David call Us from Washington

3165
02:52:23,080 --> 02:52:26,240
Speaker 1: DC's online to Grand Rising David with doctor Jason Anthony.

3166
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:30,200
Speaker 5: Yes, Doctor Jason and mister Nelson, thank you for all

3167
02:52:30,360 --> 02:52:34,400
Speaker 5: that you too and are doing. I am a seventy

3168
02:52:34,520 --> 02:52:37,760
Speaker 5: seven year old man, and as a young man, I

3169
02:52:37,879 --> 02:52:43,280
Speaker 5: spent time at hut and Joanna, a prison on a

3170
02:52:43,400 --> 02:52:44,520
Speaker 5: weapons violation.

3171
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:45,720
Speaker 6: Uh.

3172
02:52:46,480 --> 02:52:50,480
Speaker 5: I had to be embarrassed as a young man to

3173
02:52:50,680 --> 02:52:55,000
Speaker 5: change my behavior what I do with alone, with everything

3174
02:52:55,080 --> 02:52:59,600
Speaker 5: that you are during, doctor, some of the people have

3175
02:52:59,760 --> 02:53:05,320
Speaker 5: to be shock. We can't have community without law. Young

3176
02:53:05,520 --> 02:53:09,760
Speaker 5: people running around wilding up, I would suggest, And I

3177
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:13,360
Speaker 5: grew up in the South. I saw same gangs. I

3178
02:53:13,480 --> 02:53:16,960
Speaker 5: saw people working on the road. Along with everything that

3179
02:53:17,080 --> 02:53:21,520
Speaker 5: you're doing, I would suggest certain elements some of these

3180
02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:27,040
Speaker 5: young men need to be shown the shocks of life

3181
02:53:27,080 --> 02:53:29,400
Speaker 5: at an early age to say, hey, I'm going to

3182
02:53:29,480 --> 02:53:34,119
Speaker 5: turn my life around. Not everybody. I was one of those.

3183
02:53:34,400 --> 02:53:38,400
Speaker 5: Subsequently I got out, got a degree in chemistry, etc.

3184
02:53:39,560 --> 02:53:45,039
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is, along with that approach, also consider

3185
02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:49,960
Speaker 5: bringing these young violators back into our community so that

3186
02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:53,920
Speaker 5: kids can see them with their behavior, put them around

3187
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:57,560
Speaker 5: the schools, let them clean up, go to get their peers,

3188
02:53:57,760 --> 02:54:02,880
Speaker 5: or say hey, I'm going down that road. And thank you,

3189
02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:05,199
Speaker 5: gentlemen for taking Mike Paul.

3190
02:54:05,800 --> 02:54:09,080
Speaker 1: All right, thank you David, doc your thoughts on that method.

3191
02:54:10,520 --> 02:54:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't catch everything that he was saying, but

3192
02:54:13,160 --> 02:54:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm basically getting that the younger generation needs to be

3193
02:54:18,760 --> 02:54:24,440
Speaker 3: shown the consequences of poor decisions, poor poor choices. And

3194
02:54:24,720 --> 02:54:27,600
Speaker 3: that's kind of what I've said with the parents as well.

3195
02:54:27,800 --> 02:54:30,600
Speaker 3: Just you know, some don't know because they haven't experienced yet.

3196
02:54:30,680 --> 02:54:32,960
Speaker 3: But you don't have to go that far to see

3197
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:37,120
Speaker 3: what's going on in the world today. So you know,

3198
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:39,879
Speaker 3: some of the things that you mentioned, you know, that's

3199
02:54:41,040 --> 02:54:43,120
Speaker 3: that's something I don't touch as far as you know

3200
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:48,039
Speaker 3: what people who have been locked up or done things before,

3201
02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:49,680
Speaker 3: you know, as far as you know how they're now

3202
02:54:49,800 --> 02:54:54,680
Speaker 3: being used in society. I definitely am in agreement with

3203
02:54:54,840 --> 02:54:57,040
Speaker 3: him that, you know, sometimes you know, we need a

3204
02:54:57,080 --> 02:55:00,680
Speaker 3: little slap in the face sometimes, you know, something has

3205
02:55:00,760 --> 02:55:04,280
Speaker 3: to happen before we wake up. But we don't want

3206
02:55:04,360 --> 02:55:07,320
Speaker 3: that to be the way we learn that we don't

3207
02:55:07,360 --> 02:55:11,000
Speaker 3: want that to be a pattern. But unfortunately, if we're

3208
02:55:11,080 --> 02:55:15,560
Speaker 3: not getting the leadership the mentorship from home, you know,

3209
02:55:16,040 --> 02:55:19,840
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to make some mistakes and learn from that. So,

3210
02:55:20,879 --> 02:55:26,360
Speaker 3: you know, it's a collective effort. It's just not the parent,

3211
02:55:26,400 --> 02:55:31,400
Speaker 3: it's the community, it's the teachers, just to really be

3212
02:55:31,560 --> 02:55:34,920
Speaker 3: about these children and to support them through these different

3213
02:55:34,959 --> 02:55:37,680
Speaker 3: stages of development. And that's the thing people have to understand.

3214
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:41,680
Speaker 3: We go through multiple stages of development, and at certain stages,

3215
02:55:41,800 --> 02:55:45,840
Speaker 3: certain elements become more important. The stage I deal with

3216
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:48,840
Speaker 3: with young people, it's the twelfth to twenty one stage

3217
02:55:48,879 --> 02:55:52,640
Speaker 3: of development. This is known as identity versus confusion. The

3218
02:55:52,760 --> 02:55:56,640
Speaker 3: stage is identified as a time where kids will start

3219
02:55:56,680 --> 02:55:59,520
Speaker 3: to distance themselves from their parents, their friends, and their peers,

3220
02:55:59,600 --> 02:56:04,040
Speaker 3: become more or relevant, become more important. The conversations are shorter,

3221
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:06,720
Speaker 3: and as you know, parents tell me I'm losing my baby.

3222
02:56:07,240 --> 02:56:09,200
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, you're not losing them. They're just going through

3223
02:56:09,240 --> 02:56:12,720
Speaker 3: this stage of development, which you need to support and

3224
02:56:12,840 --> 02:56:15,480
Speaker 3: be aware of. So there's a lot of things that

3225
02:56:15,560 --> 02:56:18,400
Speaker 3: I think we can learn as parents. It's it's an

3226
02:56:18,520 --> 02:56:21,560
Speaker 3: ongoing process. We never stop learning because they keep going

3227
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:24,039
Speaker 3: through different stages, but we got to keep up with them.

3228
02:56:24,040 --> 02:56:26,200
Speaker 3: We got to make sure they know that we're buy

3229
02:56:26,280 --> 02:56:28,440
Speaker 3: them step by step along this journey.

3230
02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:32,160
Speaker 1: Gotcha fourteen away from the top of that, We're let's

3231
02:56:32,160 --> 02:56:34,879
Speaker 1: go to Pittsburgh Freedom Bridges waiting for us online one

3232
02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:39,039
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Freedom Bridge. I went doctor Pendergrast, Grand Rising.

3233
02:56:39,879 --> 02:56:47,320
Speaker 10: My question, do you hello, Grand Riseing? My question is

3234
02:56:47,480 --> 02:56:51,000
Speaker 10: like what you're saying, that we've been miseducated, mainly lied to.

3235
02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:55,160
Speaker 10: I think that the church should have a time where

3236
02:56:55,480 --> 02:56:59,800
Speaker 10: we do repair. We should repair everything we've been taught

3237
02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:03,800
Speaker 10: and prepare ourselves for everything that's ahead of us for

3238
02:57:04,040 --> 02:57:06,840
Speaker 10: our children, because you me, all of us, we've been

3239
02:57:06,959 --> 02:57:09,600
Speaker 10: lied to since we got here. We've been living in

3240
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:13,080
Speaker 10: a system that had no benefit for our future. That's

3241
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:15,880
Speaker 10: why we're sitting there talking about our kids where the

3242
02:57:15,959 --> 02:57:19,320
Speaker 10: group always only group that talks about our kids killing

3243
02:57:19,400 --> 02:57:22,840
Speaker 10: each other, just respecting each other, because we haven't stopped

3244
02:57:22,959 --> 02:57:26,720
Speaker 10: doing or changed what we've been born into this system.

3245
02:57:27,080 --> 02:57:29,119
Speaker 10: And if we can have the churches and the preachers

3246
02:57:29,440 --> 02:57:32,199
Speaker 10: take down the white pictures and put up black images

3247
02:57:32,280 --> 02:57:35,400
Speaker 10: of who we are, you can't expect your children to

3248
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:37,560
Speaker 10: respect you when they can go now on the internet,

3249
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:41,000
Speaker 10: research as groups whatever and see that they've been lied

3250
02:57:41,040 --> 02:57:44,320
Speaker 10: to about Columbus and who discovered America. We're afraid to

3251
02:57:44,440 --> 02:57:46,360
Speaker 10: tell our press or what you have done to us.

3252
02:57:46,879 --> 02:57:49,200
Speaker 10: So do you think the church could have like people

3253
02:57:49,320 --> 02:57:52,240
Speaker 10: like yourself come in and seat of Sunday school lies

3254
02:57:52,879 --> 02:57:55,119
Speaker 10: and have you come in and we talk and discuss

3255
02:57:55,200 --> 02:58:02,080
Speaker 10: what we've been through minimally? M yes, yes, we need

3256
02:58:02,120 --> 02:58:03,200
Speaker 10: a community thing here.

3257
02:58:05,720 --> 02:58:09,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely that that's a that's an amazing question on so

3258
02:58:09,080 --> 02:58:12,520
Speaker 3: many different levels. I mean, first of all, absolutely, the

3259
02:58:12,680 --> 02:58:15,600
Speaker 3: church has to be a big voice in this movement.

3260
02:58:17,080 --> 02:58:19,640
Speaker 10: And they asked you one question before you go on

3261
02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:21,520
Speaker 10: one before you got to go ahead, didn't you?

3262
02:58:21,840 --> 02:58:22,240
Speaker 7: You and me?

3263
02:58:22,680 --> 02:58:25,600
Speaker 10: Didn't the church get us Mama and dad? Mom or

3264
02:58:25,720 --> 02:58:28,680
Speaker 10: dad made us go to what to church? It was

3265
02:58:28,840 --> 02:58:31,840
Speaker 10: forced the ponts. So why can't they reverse it now

3266
02:58:31,920 --> 02:58:35,120
Speaker 10: and say you, here's what we're going to reverse this

3267
02:58:35,520 --> 02:58:38,520
Speaker 10: and repair ourselves on what we've been taught to give you,

3268
02:58:38,600 --> 02:58:41,240
Speaker 10: which is a lot. You were sent to church up

3269
02:58:41,280 --> 02:58:43,000
Speaker 10: by me. I'm teventy five years old.

3270
02:58:43,400 --> 02:58:44,240
Speaker 17: I was taught that.

3271
02:58:46,040 --> 02:58:49,360
Speaker 10: That white man was my God. That's got to be

3272
02:58:49,480 --> 02:58:50,720
Speaker 10: reversed and these black.

3273
02:58:50,560 --> 02:58:51,880
Speaker 16: Preachers got to change it.

3274
02:58:52,280 --> 02:58:52,959
Speaker 12: They used.

3275
02:58:54,840 --> 02:58:56,080
Speaker 10: Religion to take it back.

3276
02:58:56,760 --> 02:59:01,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hey, I'm so glad he mentioned that, because

3277
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:04,640
Speaker 3: I definitely wanted to talk about that. A lot of

3278
02:59:04,760 --> 02:59:07,440
Speaker 3: information is coming out now and now you're looking to

3279
02:59:07,480 --> 02:59:09,920
Speaker 3: see why all that di stuff and that was going

3280
02:59:09,959 --> 02:59:13,480
Speaker 3: on with them trying to hide information. They knew this

3281
02:59:13,720 --> 02:59:16,480
Speaker 3: was coming. So there was a lot of information that

3282
02:59:16,879 --> 02:59:21,600
Speaker 3: actually is empowering a lot of black people today knowing that, yes,

3283
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:25,480
Speaker 3: we were lied to a lot of the stories and

3284
02:59:25,640 --> 02:59:29,480
Speaker 3: the Bible was whitewashed, you know, knowing that majority of

3285
02:59:29,560 --> 02:59:32,720
Speaker 3: the characters in the Bible's not all were of color,

3286
02:59:32,920 --> 02:59:37,800
Speaker 3: and you know, of dark color. It's a beautiful thing

3287
02:59:37,879 --> 02:59:40,640
Speaker 3: because it did shape my growing up, you know, just

3288
02:59:40,879 --> 02:59:44,240
Speaker 3: looking at these these white images, and of course it

3289
02:59:44,520 --> 02:59:48,200
Speaker 3: was used to as a balance of power. So to

3290
02:59:48,400 --> 02:59:51,520
Speaker 3: see now this information coming out and to hear some

3291
02:59:51,680 --> 02:59:54,320
Speaker 3: of these young brothers talking about that, you know, debating

3292
02:59:54,400 --> 02:59:57,400
Speaker 3: with each other, I think it's a beautiful thing. I

3293
02:59:57,440 --> 02:59:59,400
Speaker 3: think it's a great thing. And when it does go

3294
02:59:59,520 --> 03:00:01,160
Speaker 3: back to the church, But you gotta remember the church

3295
03:00:01,240 --> 03:00:04,160
Speaker 3: is part of a bigger network, you know, unless it's

3296
03:00:04,200 --> 03:00:06,160
Speaker 3: a small, independent church where they can do their thing.

3297
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:10,680
Speaker 3: You know, they're taking orders from somebody. So I do

3298
03:00:10,959 --> 03:00:13,600
Speaker 3: believe that this needs to be something that's taught about.

3299
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm waiting to I go to a church that's kind

3300
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:20,120
Speaker 3: of mixed, you know, white, Black, Latin or whatever, it's

3301
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:22,720
Speaker 3: a mixed church. I'm just waiting for that service where

3302
03:00:22,760 --> 03:00:24,920
Speaker 3: they get up there and be like, hey, we were wrong.

3303
03:00:25,800 --> 03:00:28,400
Speaker 3: This is what we were told or taught you, and

3304
03:00:28,840 --> 03:00:31,920
Speaker 3: this is the reality. So I hope that day is coming.

3305
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:35,000
Speaker 3: I definitely think the churches has been doing better when

3306
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:37,160
Speaker 3: it comes to mental health, when it comes to these

3307
03:00:37,240 --> 03:00:40,240
Speaker 3: issues since the pandemic. I mean, I can't tell you

3308
03:00:40,320 --> 03:00:44,080
Speaker 3: how many churches I've been to and spoken at regarding

3309
03:00:44,120 --> 03:00:46,199
Speaker 3: mental health. Before I was never invited to a church.

3310
03:00:46,959 --> 03:00:49,080
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of mental health issues we're

3311
03:00:49,120 --> 03:00:52,440
Speaker 3: equaiting with sin. So now the church is taking a

3312
03:00:52,520 --> 03:00:55,000
Speaker 3: more proactive stance. So I got to give props for

3313
03:00:55,120 --> 03:00:57,440
Speaker 3: the for the work being done, but there's a lot

3314
03:00:57,520 --> 03:00:58,360
Speaker 3: more work to be done.

3315
03:01:00,120 --> 03:01:03,520
Speaker 1: Note Away from the top a treat here from Lisa.

3316
03:01:03,600 --> 03:01:05,600
Speaker 1: Lisa says, I would never take my son to a

3317
03:01:05,680 --> 03:01:09,439
Speaker 1: white woman therapist because she might not understand his feelings

3318
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:14,080
Speaker 1: and label him as having anger management problems? What say you, doc?

3319
03:01:15,280 --> 03:01:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I've heard all the horror stories. I

3320
03:01:20,240 --> 03:01:24,200
Speaker 3: hear them all the time coming from you know, people

3321
03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:27,080
Speaker 3: of color who went to a therapist, and because there's

3322
03:01:27,160 --> 03:01:29,800
Speaker 3: so few of us, they have no choice. But also,

3323
03:01:29,959 --> 03:01:32,519
Speaker 3: you know a lot of these therapists are in institutions

3324
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:37,320
Speaker 3: like schools, and so the representation isn't there, And can

3325
03:01:37,400 --> 03:01:40,280
Speaker 3: they really identify what this young black male is going

3326
03:01:40,360 --> 03:01:42,320
Speaker 3: through in their daily life?

3327
03:01:42,959 --> 03:01:43,520
Speaker 10: Probably not.

3328
03:01:43,879 --> 03:01:47,160
Speaker 3: You know, no amount of training is going to allow

3329
03:01:47,240 --> 03:01:50,720
Speaker 3: you to understand somebody struggling, especially if you haven't been

3330
03:01:50,760 --> 03:01:55,000
Speaker 3: through it. So yeah, ma'am, I hear the stories, and

3331
03:01:55,480 --> 03:01:58,480
Speaker 3: that's why we got to get more of us in

3332
03:01:58,600 --> 03:02:01,640
Speaker 3: this space, because we're amazing when it comes to therapy

3333
03:02:01,720 --> 03:02:04,760
Speaker 3: and when it comes to understanding the reason and rationalizing.

3334
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:07,280
Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody can do it better than

3335
03:02:07,720 --> 03:02:08,440
Speaker 3: the person of color.

3336
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:12,120
Speaker 1: I met a doctor ate away from the topic. Do

3337
03:02:12,200 --> 03:02:14,119
Speaker 1: you ever have to come in and clean up after

3338
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:17,360
Speaker 1: a client after he's been sort of uh, I want

3339
03:02:17,360 --> 03:02:20,160
Speaker 1: to use the abuse, he's too strong, But it turned

3340
03:02:20,440 --> 03:02:22,800
Speaker 1: the wrong way by going to some white clinician.

3341
03:02:24,879 --> 03:02:26,720
Speaker 3: Wall say it again. I just want to make sure

3342
03:02:27,000 --> 03:02:27,800
Speaker 3: I get Yeah, do.

3343
03:02:27,840 --> 03:02:29,640
Speaker 1: You do you have to do a clean up program?

3344
03:02:30,440 --> 03:02:33,000
Speaker 1: Say on a client that we're seeing a white clinician

3345
03:02:33,160 --> 03:02:36,040
Speaker 1: and sort of turned his head around or her head around.

3346
03:02:36,120 --> 03:02:38,440
Speaker 1: And do you have to go in and and reinvent

3347
03:02:38,520 --> 03:02:42,880
Speaker 1: the whole process and start all over. And if you do,

3348
03:02:42,959 --> 03:02:44,560
Speaker 1: you create the white clinician.

3349
03:02:46,360 --> 03:02:48,640
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, I don't. I mean, if our

3350
03:02:48,720 --> 03:02:51,000
Speaker 3: paths crossed. But I got too much going on to

3351
03:02:51,200 --> 03:02:55,039
Speaker 3: you know, to be going back and you know, talking

3352
03:02:55,080 --> 03:02:57,840
Speaker 3: to a clinic unless unless there's something about the case

3353
03:02:57,879 --> 03:03:01,160
Speaker 3: that I need to talk the clinician about. But yeah,

3354
03:03:01,200 --> 03:03:05,199
Speaker 3: I get so many black black males, young black males

3355
03:03:05,600 --> 03:03:09,520
Speaker 3: who have been seeing clinicians, you know, white clinicians and

3356
03:03:09,600 --> 03:03:13,200
Speaker 3: sometimes you know those you know, other races, and they

3357
03:03:13,280 --> 03:03:15,760
Speaker 3: come up with a diagnosis. And the first thing I

3358
03:03:15,840 --> 03:03:18,200
Speaker 3: do is I challenge it. I just want to challenge it.

3359
03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:19,880
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure they're looking at it

3360
03:03:20,400 --> 03:03:23,760
Speaker 3: through the right lens and not just labeling. And one

3361
03:03:23,800 --> 03:03:28,040
Speaker 3: thing that I'm seeing is ADHD diagnosis. And got my

3362
03:03:28,120 --> 03:03:32,240
Speaker 3: little seven six year old brothers, you know, on medication. Now,

3363
03:03:32,400 --> 03:03:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm a temperament therapist and if you remember, we did

3364
03:03:34,959 --> 03:03:37,280
Speaker 3: a show a few months back about you know, I

3365
03:03:37,320 --> 03:03:40,280
Speaker 3: was talking about temperament and this assessment. Well, there's a

3366
03:03:40,360 --> 03:03:43,240
Speaker 3: temperament called sanguine, and I see a lot of the

3367
03:03:43,360 --> 03:03:47,119
Speaker 3: young people have this temperament. This is a very overactive,

3368
03:03:47,240 --> 03:03:51,040
Speaker 3: very impulsive temperament. And I see all of them with

3369
03:03:51,360 --> 03:03:55,560
Speaker 3: the ADHD diagnosis, and I'm like, nah, no, we're gonna

3370
03:03:55,560 --> 03:03:57,680
Speaker 3: treat it this way. We're going to approach it from

3371
03:03:57,720 --> 03:04:00,879
Speaker 3: the understanding of your temperament and and how it affects

3372
03:04:00,920 --> 03:04:03,840
Speaker 3: how you think and how you behave Give them the

3373
03:04:03,840 --> 03:04:06,680
Speaker 3: cycle education, give them the awareness, and let them know

3374
03:04:06,720 --> 03:04:10,080
Speaker 3: nothing's wrong with you. Stop labeling these kids who are

3375
03:04:10,120 --> 03:04:13,440
Speaker 3: not even ten years old and fixing you know, labels

3376
03:04:13,520 --> 03:04:16,160
Speaker 3: on them because you grow up with that, you go

3377
03:04:16,280 --> 03:04:18,920
Speaker 3: through life with those labels. So I think clinicians have

3378
03:04:19,040 --> 03:04:21,880
Speaker 3: to be much more responsible with these diagnoses. Now. I know,

3379
03:04:22,040 --> 03:04:26,440
Speaker 3: to build insurance companies, you have to provide something for

3380
03:04:26,560 --> 03:04:29,360
Speaker 3: that sake, but please think about the impact you're having

3381
03:04:29,400 --> 03:04:31,840
Speaker 3: on these people when they leave your office and you

3382
03:04:31,959 --> 03:04:35,440
Speaker 3: hand down that diagnosis. They're leaving they're living life at

3383
03:04:35,480 --> 03:04:37,400
Speaker 3: that diagnosis, and I think there needs to be more

3384
03:04:37,440 --> 03:04:41,160
Speaker 3: responsibility in that area. But you know, hey, not everybody.

3385
03:04:41,400 --> 03:04:43,640
Speaker 3: Not everybody does temp of the therapy. So I understand

3386
03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:47,200
Speaker 3: you have to go with what you have, but so

3387
03:04:47,320 --> 03:04:49,879
Speaker 3: many times I have to deal with a client who's

3388
03:04:49,920 --> 03:04:54,360
Speaker 3: been diagnosed and you know, I have to challenge that diagnosis.

3389
03:04:55,240 --> 03:04:57,720
Speaker 1: And if they want to put that child on the

3390
03:04:57,800 --> 03:05:02,040
Speaker 1: psychotropic drugs, what are your thoughts on that? Is that

3391
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Speaker 1: the first because I think some of these white clinicians

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Speaker 1: that's probably the first thing they want to do with

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Speaker 1: some of my young brother especially our young brothers, who

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Speaker 1: may be acting out in class. So what's your counter

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Speaker 1: to that when when you come and they come up

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Speaker 1: with that diagnosis this is what they need.

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Speaker 3: Holistic always the best way to go. You know, there

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Speaker 3: are some situations where the case is severe and it

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Speaker 3: requires some type of medication to stabilize the person. But

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Speaker 3: we're over medicating the society, especially young young brothers and

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Speaker 3: sisters by far. So I do respect the fact that

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Speaker 3: it is necessary in some situations. But you know, a

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Speaker 3: young young male or female will go to see a

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Speaker 3: psychiatrist and in fifteen or thirty minutes after speaking with them,

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Speaker 3: they have their whole life figured out. You know, you

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Speaker 3: have this, you have this. Oh, by the way, take

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Speaker 3: these and fifteen thirty minutes. I mean we spend an

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Speaker 3: hour at least, you know, But the whole thing about

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Speaker 3: counseling is we're trying to work through the problems. We're

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Speaker 3: not trying to mask it and cover it up. We're

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Speaker 3: trying to get to the root of the issue. And

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Speaker 3: you know, it's the reality that you know, they work

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Speaker 3: for these pharmaceutical companies and it's a money grap you know,

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Speaker 3: these prescriptions are just going out there because it's very profitable.

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Speaker 3: So just be mindful. I tell parents, I'll hear, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to take my kids to a psychiatrist, And

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Speaker 3: I say, why won't you have them speak with a

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Speaker 3: counselor first have me try therapy. You know, it's just

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Speaker 3: that we're in this microwave society now right. We want

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Speaker 3: everything right now, and you know the time that it

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Speaker 3: takes to put into work through problems. You know, if

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Speaker 3: I could just pop a peel and go on with

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Speaker 3: my day, but you're not dealing with the problem, You're

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Speaker 3: just prolonging it.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Well call it a day, right there, Doc, just

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Speaker 1: flat out of time. How can folks reach you if

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Speaker 1: they want more information? Off the anywhere around the country.

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Speaker 1: Act of the recess some black clinicians. Is there a group?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, yeah, actually I have a group. I have

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Speaker 3: about fifteen clinicians on my team, independent clinicians and so absolutely.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you can reach out. Edifycounseling dot com is

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Speaker 3: the website. Phone number is eight eight eight seven seven

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Speaker 3: Edify eight seven seven Edifi E D I F Y.

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Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at doctor Jason Anthony. But yeah, reach

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Speaker 3: out and even if I'm not in your area, I

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Speaker 3: will help you find a therapist that fits your needs.

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Speaker 9: So please reach out.

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Speaker 1: Good that'll work. Thank you, doc. Hey, famil, we've done

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Speaker 1: for the day. Classes dismiss, stay strong, stay positive. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow morning. Next