1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Live from val Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. In order to understand what happened with 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Representative Acossia Cortes, you have to understand what happens with 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: then Governor Howard Dean when he ran for president in 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and four. But to understand it all, we 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: have to go back to Representative Alexandria Cassio Cortes and 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: recognize that what happened to her in Munich has stuck 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: with her and it broke her. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: Good to be here, Good to be with you. Find 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: everything I do over there at Tony katz dot com. 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: We've got the videos, the stories, the show sheet, everything 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: is there. Check it out for yourself, and of course 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: be sure to be following on YouTube where we live streaming, 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: and we have live streaming as we speak. On the YouTube, 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: just look for Tony Katz or Twitter x Tony kats 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: and you will find it there. Representative Accassia Cortes was 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: at the Munich Security Conference, and while at the Munich 18 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: Security Conference, she said a bunch of things that are 19 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: completely insane. She wants to argue that the only thing. 20 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: Only place where she had an issue was a conversation 21 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: regarding Taiwan and China. You may have seen those videos, 22 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: and I will I will share it with you, but 23 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: I want it clear that Representative Acosio Cortez who is 24 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: not bright. I have said clearly she is stupid, but 25 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: she is not dumb. And I never used to talk 26 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: like this about her. But it is obvious how dangerous 27 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: and how absolutely bereft of knowledge she is. We should 28 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: say so, will that stop her from getting a nomination 29 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: for whatever she wants to get a nomination for? Absolutely 30 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: not the hardened leftist, the progressive who wants to buy 31 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: into her commie nonsense, it's going to do so. And 32 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: liberal white women will fall for anything. But she is 33 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: not smart. This was Representative Acossio Cortes at the Munich 34 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Security Conference. 35 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: There's a very big difference between whiteness and national like 36 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: your actual culture, right, Whiteness is an imaginary thing. Being 37 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: German is real, Being Italian is real, you know, being English. 38 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: These are rich cultural heritages that are based on values, 39 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 2: and they are so much a part of what make 40 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: our cultures and our societies what they are. 41 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: What the hell is she talking about. That was thirty 42 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: six seconds of what is she talking about? Nobody knows 43 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: what she's talking about. Now, if you're a gender studies major, 44 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: you're clapping along. All that is so true, That is 45 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: so true, But you don't know what she's talking about. 46 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: The biggest thing you learn being a gender studies major 47 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: is how to clap along. Oh that's so true, that's 48 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: so true. You don't know what actually got said. No 49 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: one actually discusses what got said. All you hear is 50 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: whiteness bad, Oh, so good, so good? What's whiteness? How 51 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: dare you ask such an easy to answer question? And 52 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: then you flail about like somehow you're insulted, But you 53 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: never answer the question because you can't because no one's 54 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: bringing it up, because you invented it, because you're all weird. 55 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: You invented it because you needed something to be angry about, 56 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: which is weird that you need something to be angry about. 57 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: When you're angry twenty four seven three sixty five. You 58 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning. You don't even bother yawning 59 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: or wiping the sleep away from your eyes. You wake 60 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: up and say, what can I be rapidly angry about today? 61 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: That isn't actually a problem? And then boom, there you go. 62 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: You never asked yourself whether she made any sense. She 63 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: didn't make any sense. She sounds ridiculous, Yes, she sounds 64 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: like a fool, But that wasn't. The moment that people 65 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: are referring to the moment that people are referring to 66 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: is when she got asked about out China in Taiwan 67 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: and how she would answer this question right here, would. 68 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: And should the US actually commit US troops to defend 69 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: Taiwan if China were to move? You know, I think 70 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: that this is such a you know, I think that. 71 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: This is a. 72 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: This is of course, a very long standing policy of 73 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: the United States, And I think what we are hoping 74 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: for is that we want to make sure that we 75 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: never get to that point, and we want to make 76 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: sure that we are moving in all of our economic research, 77 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: in our global positions to avoid any such confrontation. And 78 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: for that question to even arise. 79 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: Wow, that was really bad. Never mind that the answer 80 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: was bad, what it took for her to get to 81 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: the place to even pretend to give an answer was awful. 82 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Was horrifying. And what everybody who is anybody in that 83 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: room and watching whether in the United States are all 84 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: around the globe noticed was that it showed a total 85 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: and complete lack of understanding of the issue. This pseudo 86 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: intellectualism may pass in social media platforms, but it doesn't 87 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: pass when you are in Europe asking what exactly are 88 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: you going to do about a growing hegemonic desire of 89 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: the Chinese? How do you thwart them? How do you 90 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: engage soft power? How do you engage hard power? How 91 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: do you engage protection without having to utilize a troop 92 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: or launch a missile? How are you going to do this? Now? 93 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: If she had listened to President Trump, President Trump said 94 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: of this, well, her problem is she answered the question. 95 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: I would never answer the question that's about strategy. I'm 96 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: not going to tell you what my strategy is. What 97 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: are you nuts? I mean? That was his answer, which 98 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: is sound advice for the congresswoman. Not every question needs 99 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: to be answered. But pretending that you were engaged in 100 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: finding and in sharing this this deep thought you've had 101 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: about China and Taiwan, I put forth to you that 102 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Representative Alexandria Cassia Cortes has never had a detailed thought 103 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: about China and Taiwan, has never once had a detailed 104 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: thought about trade, has never once had a detailed thought 105 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: about the fishing lanes, has never once asked herself about 106 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: if China takes Taiwan, what does that do to the 107 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: navigable seas? How does this affect trade with Japan and 108 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: South Korea and Australia and these other nations that we 109 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: have relationships with. How does this affect us militarily with 110 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: the Auchice agreement regarding Australia and the building of submarines, 111 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: which we're doing more and more of. How does this 112 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: help us with a Japan that is trying to elect 113 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: people and has elected people that are growing in our 114 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: favor and want to thwart this Chinese threat? What does 115 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: this do to the enabling of North Korea? All I 116 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: did is a radio host, was sit here and talk 117 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to you, and I came up with that list. It 118 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: wasn't hard. It wasn't hard. And I don't get the 119 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: briefings that she gets. I do this show every day 120 00:08:50,880 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: and you pick up some things. Do do you think that, uh, 121 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: she even knows about the Aucas Agreement. Australia, United Kingdom, 122 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: United States, neither here nor there. It was an outrageously 123 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: bad performance from Representative Acossio Cortez. It was brutal, and 124 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: the press did try to rally around her, and I 125 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: talked about this, but I was struck by and I 126 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: should give this a follow up because I did talk 127 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: about it on the show. How much they were rallying 128 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: around her. It was kind of amazing how quickly it stopped, too, 129 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: because maybe they realized there was nothing to protect. 130 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: That. 131 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: What European nations saw here was a woman who was unserious, 132 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: was not a woman who was going to be able 133 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: to lead the United States, and certainly not somebody who 134 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: could be trusted. My gosh, it's Joe Biden all over again. 135 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: There's no there there, there's no competency there, there's no 136 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: strength there, there's no vigor there. There is no mind 137 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: at play. She's never once played a strategy game, she's 138 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: never once played a war game. And we were told 139 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: by her team that she had done serious prep work, 140 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: because for what other reason would she be at the 141 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: Munich Security Conference except to try and elevate herself on 142 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: the world stage as a mind so she could take 143 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: on Chuck Schumer in a Senate race or maybe higher aspirations. 144 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: It's a huge failure. It is a huge failure. It's 145 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: at this moment. I take you to Howard Dean, going 146 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: back to two thousand and four and moments that ended 147 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: a career. Howard Dean was the governor of Vermont and 148 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: he was moving up the political ladder and he was 149 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: running for president, and he was a progressive before people 150 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: called it progressive, he was, and he was unabashied in it. 151 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: And there he is placing third in Iowa. And it 152 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: was in this moment, on that stage where he ended 153 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: his career. You've only you've heard about it. I don't 154 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: know if you've actually ever heard it. 155 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: Well, you guys, you have already got the picture here. 156 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: I was about to say, you know, I'm sure there's 157 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: some disappointed people here. 158 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: You know what, you know something, You know something. 159 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: If you had told us one year ago that we 160 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: were going to come in third in Iowa, we would 161 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: have given anything for that. 162 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: And you know something, you know something. 163 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: Not only are we going to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin, We're. 164 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 4: Going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and i Read and 165 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 4: North Dakota and New Mexico. We're going to California and 166 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 4: Texas and New York and we're going to South Dakota 167 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going 168 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: to Washington and you see you to take back the 169 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: White House. 170 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: And that was it. Well, that was it. The whole 171 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: career was over at that moment, gone in a flash. 172 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: It's amazing how that happens. But there are moments that 173 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: occur that you are just simply no longer taken seriously, 174 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: you are unserrious, and we leave you behind. I put 175 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: forth to you that representative of Costu Cortez had a 176 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: very very bad appearance at the munich Security Conference. But 177 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: that was not that moment. It was not a Howard 178 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: Dean moment. She still had all the ramp and all 179 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: the future in front of her. And then somehow someone 180 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: gave her a phone. They let her make a video 181 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: and in a she has a cold, that she's lost 182 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: some of her voice, and some people thought she was weepy. 183 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: I don't need I what she like like coming after 184 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: a party. I don't know what was happening here. I 185 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: do know that there is her dog sleeping in the 186 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: background and you can hear the snoring and Representative Alexandria A. 187 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: Cassio Cortes says this. 188 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 5: If you think that I don't understand foreign policy because 189 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 5: out of hours of discourse about international affairs, I pause 190 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 5: to think about one of the most sensitive geopolitical issues 191 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 5: that currently exist on Kurst, I'm afraid the issue is 192 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 5: not my understanding, but rather the problem is perhaps you've 193 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 5: gotten adjusted to a president that never thinks before he speaks. 194 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: Holy cow. Now, before we get into her words, let 195 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: me say clearly, the dog is snoring. You wanted to 196 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: share with us your intellectual prowess and your defense of 197 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: it while your dog snored in the background of a video, 198 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: and you said, I'm posting that disqualifying. But let's go 199 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: back to what she said, shall we. 200 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 5: If you think that I don't understand the foreign policy 201 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: because out of hours of discourse about international affairs, I 202 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 5: pause to think about one of the most sensitive geopolitical 203 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 5: issues that currently exist on Earth, I'm afraid the issue 204 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 5: is not my understanding, but rather the problem is perhaps 205 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: you've gotten adjusted to a president that never thinks before 206 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: he speaks. 207 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: Some people were asking, wait, was that our dog or 208 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: was that our fiance? I don't know. I think it 209 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: was a puppy. That's not the story you failed in 210 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: your answer representative a costcoor test. I believe you failed 211 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: a great number of times at the Munich Security Conference, 212 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: and you're so bothered by being beaten up about it 213 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: that instead of saying I'm going to get smarter, you 214 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: put out a video where you're visibly upset and you 215 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: blame Trump. I can't believe anybody on your team let 216 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: you put this out. I can't believe that you publish it, 217 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: and you published other videos. I cannot believe you did this. 218 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: The appearance the answer at the Munich Security Conference is 219 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: not the Howard Dean moment. This is that video is 220 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: gonna haunt her for forever. And you say to me, Tony, 221 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: it's not gonna matter to hear acolytes. It's gonna matter 222 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: to donors who realize that there's a great, big world 223 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: out there and they are all gonna want to have 224 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: some thoughts about who's trying to protect them or who's 225 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: going to get them killed. You have no idea how 226 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: badly this is going to play for forever, well, forever, 227 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: it's a long time. I'm Tony Katz, and this is 228 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Tony Kat's today