Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, welcome to another episode of The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm your host for the evening. My name is Mike.
Speaker 2: Next to me, I have Spike next to Spike, I
Speaker 2: have Ken next to Ken. I havena Hey, hey, Nay and.
Speaker 3: Uh next to Nay. We have Rod. But let's get
Speaker 3: back to Nay. What's going going on there? Not much chilling?
Speaker 3: Are you still continuing your anime quest?
Speaker 4: I am still in dabbling in the anime streets. I
Speaker 4: haven't watched a lot to too recently, but I really
Speaker 4: am trying to get through Yeah, I'm trying to get
Speaker 4: through that. K Yeah, that I'm trying to I'm I'm like,
Speaker 4: try struggling through season one and I'm like I think,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to watch anything else until
Speaker 4: I'm able.
Speaker 3: To get through that.
Speaker 1: I'm on season two, but I don't know what the
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 4: I heard season two was a lot better. I want
Speaker 4: to get into Chainsaw Man because I had a desire
Speaker 4: to see the movie when it came out, but I
Speaker 4: was told that I need.
Speaker 3: To watch the show and the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I heard you kind of need to have
Speaker 4: an understanding of what's going on. So I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I'll just catch it after I watched the show.
Speaker 5: So that is a new movie that's out in theaters. Okay,
Speaker 5: I thought it was doing like an anniversary. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: what I thought they were doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I'm still I'm stealing these anime streets.
Speaker 3: So was this your first time watching ghost in the show?
Speaker 4: Was?
Speaker 3: Okay? Where'd you think? It was?
Speaker 4: Pretty? It was pretty. I really liked they call an
Speaker 4: cinema size. I like the animation. It reminded me of
Speaker 4: you remember the Perfect Blue that you did talk It
Speaker 4: reminded me of that. I thought the story was all
Speaker 4: in all, it was cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go ahead, stick with the rights.
Speaker 3: Are they both wrong today?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I started off thinking it was cool.
Speaker 5: But nah, but nah, but now I was like, no,
Speaker 5: this is this is actually really good.
Speaker 3: I have my is it is it? Has it always
Speaker 3: been in English?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I should have told y'all because the translation
Speaker 2: is not great.
Speaker 4: Okay, translation, that makes me feel better.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's the part.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything else was good, and see this is this
Speaker 5: is one of those rare ocasions where I'm like, I
Speaker 5: probably need the original version because the.
Speaker 4: Give it to it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I meant to tell y'all that I forgot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was it was bad.
Speaker 5: Like the dub dub version in this, I did not
Speaker 5: like the main girl, like she sounded like Siri.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was just like, yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 4: What I think. That's probably what took me out. I
Speaker 4: was like, this is too dialogue heavy for it to
Speaker 4: just kind of be so flat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I had to take I had to take
Speaker 5: that out, right, I had to take that part out of them, Like, okay,
Speaker 5: so maybe this wasn't like the way initially was supposed
Speaker 5: to be releasing. So once I removed that, I was
Speaker 5: just like and just looking at the visuals of it all,
Speaker 5: like the storytelling it of it all.
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, yeah, no, this is this
Speaker 3: is pretty good. This is pretty good. Yeah cool, all right, Ken,
Speaker 3: what did you think?
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it?
Speaker 7: You know, I think watching it, I was thinking, damn,
Speaker 7: why why didn't nobody really tell me about this before?
Speaker 7: Which I'm probably sure that no, no, no they didn't,
Speaker 7: but I always heard it was good. But this is
Speaker 7: like what they were talking about, what they were doing,
Speaker 7: It's right on my alley, bro sci fi cyborg shit.
Speaker 7: You know, all the ship that they were doing, the
Speaker 7: discussions about what is life?
Speaker 1: What is it all? All the other ship you know,
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, this was this was it? So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Did you make it through it?
Speaker 1: Barely? Barely?
Speaker 3: I think my first experience with anime.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 5: All some other stuff out that spite you be like this.
Speaker 4: Didn't participate in the cure then yeah, if you would
Speaker 4: have liked to cure more harder.
Speaker 3: To understanding this.
Speaker 4: It gets a little wilder. Like by the end, it's
Speaker 4: like the story gets a little weirder, and this pretty.
Speaker 3: Much stays what it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah this was flat. You used to correct
Speaker 6: word you said. It's pretty flat. For me, nothing really
Speaker 6: jumped out. The story wasn't great. I was surprised that
Speaker 6: so many cartoons.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, the anime is play in that world. I
Speaker 7: love it, bro, that's why all the.
Speaker 1: Kids be watching this get dress and like that.
Speaker 2: And the funniest thing is if you look at it
Speaker 2: on Hulu was it not Hulu TV? It says that
Speaker 2: it is TV fourteen, that's what it's rated. But it's
Speaker 2: tons of nudity in the film. But I guess because
Speaker 2: it's cartoon and it's like graphic titty nudity, like he.
Speaker 3: Can't hear right, no, no, no, no, he's corrected.
Speaker 2: All right, I expect you not to like it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: these are the types of anime that I like.
Speaker 3: The cerebral ones like I.
Speaker 2: Can't do the one pieces and the I forget the
Speaker 2: one that jayalen Ke's bugging me about the fact that
Speaker 2: I haven't finished watching.
Speaker 3: Attack on Titan.
Speaker 2: No, I gave up on that one too, but no,
Speaker 2: it's the one that they made they made it into
Speaker 2: a live action show watch TV Avatar.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, these don't do it for me.
Speaker 2: But these weird ones that are just like all over
Speaker 2: the place, and these are the ones that.
Speaker 3: I really really like.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go ahead and jump into this and
Speaker 2: throw us out for anybody that wants to take it.
Speaker 3: We're dropped, that's what that's what.
Speaker 1: Bill.
Speaker 2: Put your ghost in my shell, Bill put it in
Speaker 2: my shell.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: We're dropped into a world where society has been over computerized,
Speaker 2: but there's still a focus on nations and races, and
Speaker 2: we meet Matoku Kusinagi, who leads a strike team and
Speaker 2: ends up assassinating a foreign diplomat who's trying to smuggle
Speaker 2: a programmer out. Now, I'm gonna be totally honest. I
Speaker 2: can still remember when I first watched this movie. I
Speaker 2: had to watch this part like twelve times because I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't understand what the fun just happened?
Speaker 5: Really, yes, because I was just huh no, I'm saying,
Speaker 5: I'm sing, go ahead, U was about displaying.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, like though, I couldn't understand
Speaker 2: why she killed him and what he was trying to do.
Speaker 2: And I remember when I first watched it, I was like,
Speaker 2: this doesn't make any sense. It's because I watched the
Speaker 2: dubya the subtitles.
Speaker 3: It makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 4: But well, I watched the dub version with the subtitles.
Speaker 4: It helped a little bit.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 4: But I can I can see I can see why
Speaker 4: because I think.
Speaker 3: This was the point. I was like, wait a minute, let.
Speaker 4: Me put the subtitles on. Yeah, what she just unplugged
Speaker 4: herself and then she dropped, and she like, what are
Speaker 4: they doing? What about a passport? So yeah, I put
Speaker 4: this is when I put the subtitles on.
Speaker 5: My first thaw was like, why she had to take
Speaker 5: off her clothes because she had in the suit?
Speaker 3: Right, So I picked up on that like a little later.
Speaker 5: I was just like, man, why why they gotta show
Speaker 5: what titties? And like I didn't understand immediately, Like.
Speaker 3: But let me hit you with this. Well, it's not
Speaker 3: really about the suit. You remember the guy that had
Speaker 3: the hoodie, Yeah, he wasn't ugget. We'll get we'll get well,
Speaker 3: we'll get to it. We'll get to it. Do you
Speaker 3: think this part was cool for what I understood it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like you said, I ain't watched.
Speaker 6: I should have cut the subtitles on like they said,
Speaker 6: but I did watch that first part twice.
Speaker 3: To your point, it's like why why she just shoot him?
Speaker 4: And who was like yeah, so I thought it looked
Speaker 4: though it made me.
Speaker 3: Feel like a flux.
Speaker 4: I can see that, so I was like and I
Speaker 4: used to love watching. I was like, oh this And
Speaker 4: they came out around the same time, so I was
Speaker 4: kind of like, oh, yeah, this is real aon fluxy.
Speaker 4: I'm digging it.
Speaker 5: I think I think I figured that that what you
Speaker 5: just that question you had out she was she had
Speaker 5: the natural skin that was thermo or whatever that can
Speaker 5: be camouflage, and he had to have the cloak in
Speaker 5: order to do that.
Speaker 3: He wasn't fully like how she was.
Speaker 2: That's what it is, right, Yeah, partly, but it's also because,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, I don't think she understands like the
Speaker 2: whole idea of shame because she's not used to this.
Speaker 2: Like we'll get to it, but like when she gets
Speaker 2: naked on the boat, she just does it like it's
Speaker 2: no big deal.
Speaker 3: But Bato like shifts his head away.
Speaker 2: I think she just doesn't really even factor in that
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be running around naked interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: because there's.
Speaker 3: No sexualizing here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, the whole nude versus is a
Speaker 2: nude versus naked that they that they teach you like
Speaker 2: one is like nude is just like you have no
Speaker 2: shame and there's nothing weird about it, but naked is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be covered up, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: All like new beaches that's what they call, right, and
Speaker 2: not naked beaches.
Speaker 4: Because she was she was ghosted as a kid.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she was. She was. She was ghosted as
Speaker 3: a kid.
Speaker 2: From what I understand, at least and she never really
Speaker 2: factored in this whole idea of what sexualizing even means.
Speaker 2: So that's why she's completely fine getting but assed, neked
Speaker 2: and jumping off of buildings and shit. But this moves
Speaker 2: into the title sequence, which shows a cyborg being created.
Speaker 2: What did y'all think of this or what did you
Speaker 2: take from it?
Speaker 3: I really liked the music. The music They nailed that.
Speaker 5: Like it, Like, I'm really big on music soundtrack even
Speaker 5: when I create my videos, and it gives like a
Speaker 5: certain feeling without the dialogue.
Speaker 3: They really do that a.
Speaker 5: Few times in this movie, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 5: that's that's really good to be able to tell story
Speaker 5: with music, draw motion or whatever. So nah, that was
Speaker 5: the one thing that I liked about that. I was
Speaker 5: a little confused about the brain thing until later I
Speaker 5: kind of figured out what was kind of going on
Speaker 5: with that because at first it showed like a human brain,
Speaker 5: but then it showed like a cyborg type brain. So
Speaker 5: what I never quite understood that part.
Speaker 3: That's a question for the room. Did anybody else take
Speaker 3: something from them?
Speaker 4: I didn't take that from that, But my understanding is
Speaker 4: it's kind of like affusing and the ghost is like
Speaker 4: the human element of whatever was taken from that brain.
Speaker 4: So that's where the concept of their souls and their
Speaker 4: spirits come into into place. So and yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: where the concept of like your soul, how much soul
Speaker 4: do you have? Like how much of that human brain
Speaker 4: human memory do you actually have in this cyborg?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So did anybody get like a representation of childbirth from
Speaker 2: when she was in the feudal position?
Speaker 4: Very much? So, Yeah, like an embryo type of situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't say. I can't say I picked up
Speaker 5: on that ming out of the water and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't pick up on that at first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna ask Ken because Ken over
Speaker 2: they're not saying ship So Ken, she wakes up in
Speaker 2: a completely dark room before going to the office where
Speaker 2: they're examining another cyborg whose brain was hacked by someone
Speaker 2: called the puppet Master.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of this scene?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember it because I was half pantention.
Speaker 2: That. By the way, commenter, who I told you I
Speaker 2: was gonna bring it to the crew. I haven't done
Speaker 2: it yet, but we're gonna talk to Ken later. They
Speaker 2: were getting on to us about that ship watching stuff
Speaker 2: half asleep and not paying attention. They're like, how a
Speaker 2: y'all reviewing it if you're not paying attention? Here their
Speaker 2: very next review.
Speaker 3: Here you go.
Speaker 1: I was walking around doing stuff.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what the dude said.
Speaker 2: He's like, how do you put a movie on them
Speaker 2: walking around doing stuff and then review it?
Speaker 3: There are people that do that.
Speaker 1: Can I do it a lot? I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was going to be import you can ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta payt to this one. Well, we ain't
Speaker 2: asking you no more, Spike. Okay, what did anybody think
Speaker 2: it was?
Speaker 4: It seemed very style, like a very stylized moment with
Speaker 4: her in front of the window, and I felt like,
Speaker 4: maybe it's watching this whole thing. I felt like, damn,
Speaker 4: I wish I was there at the time. I wish
Speaker 4: I had watched this when it came out, because, like
Speaker 4: certain scenes in the Kira, I feel like that was
Speaker 4: probably like the stylized thing, like the motorcycle in a
Speaker 4: Kira that's probably fed into other media.
Speaker 5: Interesting, And this was supposed to be in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: nine or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a few years away, and it was pretty accurate, right, So.
Speaker 5: It's pretty accurate, yeah with all the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's one of my favorite things about this movie.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the the puppet Master, they think that
Speaker 2: he was going to target some political talks between them
Speaker 2: and another nation, and they think that the pulp Master
Speaker 2: was going to hacken and then kill people at the
Speaker 2: at the place. But yeah, I thought that was kind
Speaker 2: of interesting. But uh, now this one, I hope people
Speaker 2: have some takes here. What did y'all think of a
Speaker 2: conversation between Buttgutku and Togusa.
Speaker 3: He's the one that has the revolver.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting how she said that he's
Speaker 4: more human than she was, right, That's what I took
Speaker 4: from it, and her saying that she picked him because
Speaker 4: essentially he is a flawed human and that gave her
Speaker 4: a certain a certain point of view that other sections
Speaker 4: or departments didn't necessarily have, right.
Speaker 1: I was confused about the section sits A Section nine
Speaker 1: department was evil and when was it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: But but the Section nine was supposed to be the
Speaker 5: powerful one, right, the one that that was for the good,
Speaker 5: That's the one that was on she was on the
Speaker 5: Section nine team, right, that.
Speaker 3: Ye, section, I might get him backwards, I might get
Speaker 3: him there.
Speaker 2: Section one one one section was the one that was
Speaker 2: responsible for the puppet Master, and then the other one
Speaker 2: was the one that Okay, section six created the puppet Master.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, section nine, I think section she
Speaker 3: was on yep.
Speaker 2: So did y'all take anything from them talking about the
Speaker 2: revolver versus the automatic weapon?
Speaker 3: What was that first to worry about getting stuck? Right?
Speaker 3: And she was? She was.
Speaker 2: She was saying how he's more comfortable using a revolver
Speaker 2: instead of using an automatic weapon. And I always took
Speaker 2: that as a representation of themselves, like he's more human,
Speaker 2: so he gravitates more towards a revolver. She's more a computer,
Speaker 2: so she gravitates towards something that's automatic. And she also
Speaker 2: talks about how she she he hears something in her spirit,
Speaker 2: not her spirits are her coat ghosts. So this is
Speaker 2: already her trying to figure out, like what am I?
Speaker 2: Is there a separation between me and the ghost? So
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to instill this idea she's struggling
Speaker 2: with whether or not or what she actually is.
Speaker 6: This reminded me of the first season well, all the
Speaker 6: West world, this is kind of what.
Speaker 3: It reminded me of. Don't be like that.
Speaker 5: So the ghost supposed to be synonymous with like spirits,
Speaker 5: like a soul.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we meet two garbage men who are unwittingly
Speaker 2: doing the bidding of the puppet Master, which leads them
Speaker 2: to encountering a bad guy in a coat with a
Speaker 2: cloaking device and after some serious firefight action, but Toku
Speaker 2: was able to subdue them.
Speaker 3: So what did y'all think of this fight scene?
Speaker 1: Fight? One way, he chased them down on the beach
Speaker 1: and said that.
Speaker 7: You don't have a family, you don't remember all anything,
Speaker 7: and all that shit was made up.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all this shit was dope.
Speaker 7: The action sequence here them chasing him throughout him, uh
Speaker 7: you know, of course firing back, and then motherfuckers just.
Speaker 1: Disappeared and not seen it.
Speaker 7: I liked all of this, and then just even the
Speaker 7: idea of questioning him and just making him confront the
Speaker 7: reality of what may or may not be be real.
Speaker 1: You know. So I thought that was dope.
Speaker 3: This was the part like that.
Speaker 5: So the garbage man's stuff was kind of confusing, because
Speaker 5: are they are one of them or whatever, like kind
Speaker 5: of partly cyborg or something like that.
Speaker 2: So no, So these things I get, I think in
Speaker 2: this society and they never really explained it, but I've
Speaker 2: always took it as almost everybody has some part.
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that first because they were able
Speaker 3: to hack into your brain.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because it would be some parts when the
Speaker 5: when the miles weren't moving, I'm like, okay, what is
Speaker 5: happening right now?
Speaker 4: It's like they were able to communicate Yeah, through the
Speaker 4: why I assumed it was like through the wires almost
Speaker 4: like through the network without without having to actually used
Speaker 4: moved the mouths.
Speaker 3: So that was a little confusing, that points.
Speaker 5: But nah, for the the action scene and all that,
Speaker 5: man like on the beach man, the animation on that
Speaker 5: was was crazy. Him flipping like without a oh man,
Speaker 5: it was just so good and her kind of appearing
Speaker 5: here and there because maybe like the splash might hit
Speaker 5: her a certain way, like they did this so well, Like, man,
Speaker 5: this is very top notch animation right here.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I was definitely feeling this part anybody else.
Speaker 5: Oh, you can see a stepping in the water when
Speaker 5: you don't see her like oh man, Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 5: animation they killed it, right, he whooped his ass?
Speaker 3: She did?
Speaker 1: She did?
Speaker 3: What though? Did you say, dad?
Speaker 4: He did?
Speaker 1: Oh? Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Going all right?
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I think I found all this stuff
Speaker 2: to be really interesting, the way that they were hacking
Speaker 2: into the brain of the garbage men and hacking into
Speaker 2: the brain of this criminal. But yeah, were you interested
Speaker 2: in how they tried to explain to the garbage man
Speaker 2: how his memories were hacked?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought this the idea of that was interesting,
Speaker 1: and me just for thinking about what could potentially.
Speaker 7: Happen, Like if that really happened. You know, you have
Speaker 7: the Star Trek, you have the Borg of the Sideline,
Speaker 7: and and Pluribis or whatever. You have a very similar concept, you.
Speaker 3: Know, spoiling ship.
Speaker 2: Damn you just a spoiler, just a spoiling spoiler.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but uh but nevertheless, uh yeah, and then so
Speaker 7: I'm thinking about like the possibilities of looking ahead, Like
Speaker 7: there's always this inspiration taking place about what was the
Speaker 7: baseball player that wanted to be preserved because he wanted
Speaker 7: to come back?
Speaker 3: Not not no no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I think it's ted.
Speaker 7: But but yeah, yeah, like injecting these thoughts and ideas
Speaker 7: into his head and basically programming you think about like
Speaker 7: what they do with media just in general, how they
Speaker 7: inject ideas and thoughts in your heads that you may
Speaker 7: or may not think are real.
Speaker 2: So but your own thoughts go away. Though, that's the
Speaker 2: part that I that I thought was interesting. He won't
Speaker 2: get his memories back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they're just yeah, they're just completely gone.
Speaker 5: Oh that's so they get he'll get part of it
Speaker 5: back for somebody that it won't be fully Oh did they?
Speaker 3: I thought so? I thought Ted Williams heard him.
Speaker 4: This is the part where I was getting frustrated because
Speaker 4: the action sequence was really good, but I just really
Speaker 4: at this point, I was like, I wish I was
Speaker 4: following this easier. I wish it was a little easier
Speaker 4: to follow because I don't want to just look at
Speaker 4: the animation. I don't want to just wait for the
Speaker 4: next action sequence. Like I feel like I felt like
Speaker 4: they were saying something important. I just couldn't follow it.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy about this? Sometimes it was a
Speaker 3: whole move. Yeah, it was like over.
Speaker 5: Just like over explaining sometimes from me because talking talking
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like the over explaining kind of lost me.
Speaker 5: I could see that sometime I need something just to
Speaker 5: be simplified, like just just make it plain and simple
Speaker 5: for me. I don't need all the over talking like so, yeah,
Speaker 5: that that was the issue for me. I feel like
Speaker 5: the over talking kind of got me lost. Like you know,
Speaker 5: I can see that.
Speaker 2: I think with a movie like this, they kind of
Speaker 2: just drop you into a world with no real explanation,
Speaker 2: and that does kind of I think.
Speaker 3: So there's like three or four of these movies. What
Speaker 3: you mean, like this is just part one?
Speaker 5: I started inno sense it's really when they So how
Speaker 5: how far apart did they release that?
Speaker 3: I don't I couldn't they all in the nineties or
Speaker 3: something in the two thousands and something.
Speaker 5: I didn't know it was a whole TV show, so
Speaker 5: that that's real because I went and looked up.
Speaker 3: So I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that this was I thought it was
Speaker 5: just like because a cure, it's only it's only a cure,
Speaker 5: it's it's nothing else. Yeah, So I thought it was
Speaker 5: like that there's there's there's either three or four movies
Speaker 5: interesting and an anime TV show. Wow, And I feel
Speaker 5: like you need to watch all of it's probably meant
Speaker 5: to So yeah, that's probably like that. Oh really, they
Speaker 5: didn't originally play I don't think that they planned for
Speaker 5: there to be a big you know, a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of sequels.
Speaker 3: They just made this movie, but they just drop you
Speaker 3: in the world without really explaining.
Speaker 5: So it's from the manga, like like the whole universe
Speaker 5: is like there, I don't know what the like, what
Speaker 5: does that entail?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 3: I'm curious?
Speaker 4: So I got the impression and it was like the
Speaker 4: manga was probably like this whole big story and they
Speaker 4: just took a piece of that and made this movie.
Speaker 4: So that was starting to create other spin offs based
Speaker 4: on the source material.
Speaker 5: In the manga, So that would make sense to me,
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, I may not get
Speaker 5: the full scope in this first one, and then you
Speaker 5: gotta watch the second one and that kind of slowly
Speaker 5: start bringing things together because a lot of stuff is
Speaker 5: like that now right with the series we watch like, yeah,
Speaker 5: some stuff don't make it. It's like a Game of
Speaker 5: Thrones almost, Yeah, Star Wars they all do that.
Speaker 4: That made it figure it out. Knowing that made this
Speaker 4: movie a little bit better for me. It made me
Speaker 4: feel like, Okay, this is just a piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, yeah, whatever it is.
Speaker 7: Because I don't read the manga following this ship, but
Speaker 7: those that read the manga angles in the show said
Speaker 7: they like the telling of this better because it cuts
Speaker 7: out a lot of the unnecessary stuff that was in
Speaker 7: the manga.
Speaker 5: Oh damn, yeah, interesting, that is interesting.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So what did y'all think of the scene with Matoku
Speaker 2: and Buttou on the boat. We kind of mentioned it
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier.
Speaker 3: We're seeing how much she.
Speaker 2: Loves to swim, even though it's quite dangerous due to
Speaker 2: her body being cybernetic.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, what did she say? She said? She said
Speaker 3: something about it like.
Speaker 2: It's like comes out of the water. It's almost like
Speaker 2: she feel like she's a different person.
Speaker 5: Baptism, something about like the risks, like she's willing, she's
Speaker 5: willing to take the risks as well. She quote can't
Speaker 5: remember what she what she said though, because it was
Speaker 5: a hard bar.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what she said though. I don't remember either, but.
Speaker 4: I remember the inference. But this is when I realized, oh,
Speaker 4: she's struggling with her idea of existence and the idea
Speaker 4: of death. Doesn't necessarily scare her because it almost solidifies
Speaker 4: what she actually is. So yeah, this is when I
Speaker 4: started to understand that she was like, she's struggling with
Speaker 4: the spiritual aspect of what she is yep, yep, which
Speaker 4: is why, Yes, I saw the I got the birth
Speaker 4: stuff from the opening scene, but this one really was
Speaker 4: more spiritual heavy, and it felt more like baptism than
Speaker 4: like kind of like coming up and becoming a new
Speaker 4: creature kind of situation. Is what the feeling I got
Speaker 4: from this water scene and.
Speaker 5: What the Puppa Master was doing is what sparked this
Speaker 5: whole thing with her because that even her partner was saying, like,
Speaker 5: every since the Pufpa masses showed up, you've been bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's to which will also get
Speaker 2: to but due to the fact that they started realizing
Speaker 2: that the ghost is not always human mm hmm, that
Speaker 2: that can be created. So she's just struggling with what
Speaker 2: am I Jesus? Am I just a cyborg? Am I human?
Speaker 3: As well? But yeah, I thought this part on the
Speaker 3: boat was actually interesting.
Speaker 2: Spike wake up of the voice that happens on the boat,
Speaker 2: What did you take from that? I don't remember what
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 1: It was just because they both were like, what, No.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the puppet mastership.
Speaker 4: Did y'all read the.
Speaker 3: Caption that said thinking I didn't see that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when that, when that voice is happening, it
Speaker 2: puts thinking in front of and so I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: is that actually her?
Speaker 3: Because they both heard it out loud, it seemed like
Speaker 3: so I've never really gotten a full answer on that.
Speaker 3: I do think it was her.
Speaker 1: I thought he was able to hear her thoughts.
Speaker 3: No, because members shots. She got surprised by what.
Speaker 4: He was like.
Speaker 2: I think this is supposed to kind of symbolize that
Speaker 2: she does kind of think that she's two separate people,
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 3: Don't have a solification for that.
Speaker 4: I was a bit confused because to Roderick's point, like,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of scenes where they're talking without their
Speaker 4: lips moving, So I didn't Initially when the voice happened,
Speaker 4: it didn't spark me as anything different because I felt
Speaker 4: like I'd already seen that happen. But when they both
Speaker 4: their comment like well who was that, I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: what's the difference between what's going on on the boat
Speaker 4: and what's been going on and continues to go on
Speaker 4: when they speak without any any words. So is there
Speaker 4: some sort of like connection of all the side that
Speaker 4: allows them to be able to That's why I said
Speaker 4: it felt like I felt like it's like they're on
Speaker 4: the same network and there's certain things and thoughts that
Speaker 4: they're able to connect to. But she's on a different.
Speaker 2: Plane and it almost sounded like it didn't really sound
Speaker 2: like her voice it right, So that was also why
Speaker 2: they were both like, who the fuck was that?
Speaker 3: And why are we both hearing it out loud?
Speaker 1: So, actually, maybe you're right.
Speaker 2: You ever said a public master, Maybe it's a public
Speaker 2: master hacking in That's what I thought, Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 2: Actually interesting, this next part is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: parts of the whole film.
Speaker 3: So they're riding around in a boat.
Speaker 2: Well she's riding around in a boat, yes, and she's
Speaker 2: looking around at some of the things that are happening.
Speaker 3: I'll save my thoughts for after y'all.
Speaker 2: But what did y'all take from the scene where she's
Speaker 2: looking around from the boat?
Speaker 5: I don't know what what if I actually took anything
Speaker 5: from that part.
Speaker 3: This is the part where it was like no dialogue
Speaker 3: and yes, yeah, it was so good.
Speaker 5: I guess just showing the influence of like the AI
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I guess that's going on in the world. And but again,
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 5: Was just mess maros by the scene and the music,
Speaker 5: so I didn't really try to pull like I definitely
Speaker 5: would have needed to watch this one more time to
Speaker 5: get the full scope and whatnot. So, you know, my
Speaker 5: opinions on it this kind of surface level right now.
Speaker 5: But yeah, anybody.
Speaker 4: Else, No, I'm kind of with Rod, Like I think
Speaker 4: I was more kind of caught up in what I
Speaker 4: was looking at versus what I was looking at, if
Speaker 4: that makes sense. But I did feel like it was
Speaker 4: to me, it just seemed like an extension of the
Speaker 4: struggle that she was having on the boat, because she
Speaker 4: saw herself in some people. So it's like understanding how
Speaker 4: much of us are all connected and how much of
Speaker 4: me is me?
Speaker 7: This was when like you were seeing the billboard signs
Speaker 7: and parts of the city and stuff like that and
Speaker 7: all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I really
Speaker 7: didn't think much of it to you, ask I was,
Speaker 7: you know, I thought she was just but but but uh,
Speaker 7: but no, I think there's a there's sort of a
Speaker 7: connectivity that they all have, and she's like looking at
Speaker 7: that and how she is directly anddirectly connected to the
Speaker 7: world like as a machine and and human whatether this
Speaker 7: entity is and the puppet master is is in there
Speaker 7: and able to reach out and connect and control a
Speaker 7: lot of a lot of other aspects of it. So,
Speaker 7: you know, going back to this sort of identity crisis
Speaker 7: she has, it's like, you know what am I really?
Speaker 7: Am I also all of these other things that I'm
Speaker 7: looking at? And you know, am I part of that
Speaker 7: billboard and all the part of these other people?
Speaker 1: You know? So what really is the world? That's essential? Crisis?
Speaker 2: Existential is absolutely what I took from it too.
Speaker 4: No, because it's like to his point, like how much
Speaker 4: the connectivity of it all? Like how much am I
Speaker 4: related to these people? How much am I related to
Speaker 4: these electronics and the and the more the less human aspect,
Speaker 4: like just in general, like how connected are we actually
Speaker 4: are you present? How connected are you with the people
Speaker 4: that you're in the room with versus outside of yourself?
Speaker 5: That's why I see a lot like I did here
Speaker 5: and be said it too that a lot of ideas
Speaker 5: came from like got the matrix.
Speaker 3: Like got a lot of ideas from this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very blade runner too, especially Dollar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had that thought as well, Like I
Speaker 3: went enough to watch this ship, I should have smoked.
Speaker 1: Perfect.
Speaker 3: It was a lot.
Speaker 2: So the reasons I love this scene so much is
Speaker 2: because this is her once again thinking about who and
Speaker 2: what she is.
Speaker 3: So the first thing she looks at is.
Speaker 2: Another model, another cyborg that's the same model as herself,
Speaker 2: so she goes from that. Then she looks over and
Speaker 2: she sees the under construction buildings. Then she looks down
Speaker 2: and she sees the trash the I think it's like
Speaker 2: a tricycle and there's other machine like things in the
Speaker 2: water that's just discarded with. So I think this is
Speaker 2: all her thinking about what she is. You know, what
Speaker 2: does it mean to have value? Am I gonna at
Speaker 2: some point be trash like this? Which we'll get to later. Also,
Speaker 2: it then shows this scene of these mannequins in a
Speaker 2: window and these people are walking by the mannequins and
Speaker 2: there's a reflection. So then you get this idea of
Speaker 2: people create mannequins to look like them, but to do
Speaker 2: their bidding. Just like Matoku is, she was created to
Speaker 2: resemble humans, but she's not really her own human, Like
Speaker 2: she's not really her own beating her whatever. Somebody is
Speaker 2: controlling her, someone is making her do certain things. So
Speaker 2: I think this is her thinking like, am I gonna
Speaker 2: just be tossed out like trash when I'm no longer
Speaker 2: of use?
Speaker 3: You know? What? Does what does this mean about me?
Speaker 3: So she didn't have freewheel. She just sort of yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 4: So that takes me back to the window scene and
Speaker 4: when she wakes up, like what struck me? She woke up,
Speaker 4: She just got dressed and walked out exactly routine. There's
Speaker 4: so like, let me get myself together. It's just she
Speaker 4: popped up yep, and then got dressed.
Speaker 3: That was the dope as scene.
Speaker 5: So with the light with the window and then she
Speaker 5: opened the door, see the crack in his shadow and
Speaker 5: all that, I was like man killing She didn't.
Speaker 2: She didn't even think like they're like most humans would
Speaker 2: wake up, turn a light on, get dressed. No, she
Speaker 2: just wakes up, opens the window just so she can
Speaker 2: see what's going on outside, and then she just gets
Speaker 2: dressed in the dark and leaves. So there's definitely like
Speaker 2: a lack of human routine exactly.
Speaker 4: She has she doesn't really have free wheel, like she's
Speaker 4: created to do the work, and so there is no
Speaker 4: portion of her day where she's taking time for herself.
Speaker 4: She's just getting up and doing the work.
Speaker 5: But she seemed like she started to get free Wiel
Speaker 5: wants the Puffer Master show.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: And then once the swimming, So the swim that's her routine.
Speaker 4: It's like her struggling with her existence and with her
Speaker 4: understanding creates allows her to have a lane where she
Speaker 4: can create something for herself.
Speaker 3: And feels saying, once you have really settle on into it,
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 5: It's heady, but it's head but it's like once you
Speaker 5: realize that, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, this is this
Speaker 5: is good.
Speaker 3: So they find as.
Speaker 2: Like, so they find a cyborg that's been hit by
Speaker 2: a truck and they're told the cyborg is completely synthetic,
Speaker 2: but it has a ghost.
Speaker 3: And the whole.
Speaker 2: Confusing part is they were under the impression that a
Speaker 2: ghost is human and can't be manufactured synthetically.
Speaker 3: Spike was as interesting at all of you.
Speaker 6: It's when they tried to plug into it, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean it was interesting for what it was. But
Speaker 6: I mean I was following the story okay at this
Speaker 6: point and seeing what they were trying to do as
Speaker 6: far as plugging into it to save it.
Speaker 3: So yet that's anybody else?
Speaker 4: Why she kill herself? Why did the puppet master happen?
Speaker 4: Like if it was a fully autonomous cyborg, right, why
Speaker 4: would it kill itself?
Speaker 2: Maybe because remember how when they were talking on the boat,
Speaker 2: when Matoku and Batau were talking on the boat, and
Speaker 2: they were talking about death and how death kind of
Speaker 2: makes you feel human, right, Maybe that's why.
Speaker 3: Maybe, and this is a guess.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was trying to test this whole thing of
Speaker 2: what does death feel like? And that's again that's just
Speaker 2: a guess because nothing, nothing validates what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: that's always been the way I because at first I thought, well,
Speaker 2: maybe they just did that because he wanted to find
Speaker 2: a way into that that facility. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that's what it was. I think that this is him
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what human means, what life means.
Speaker 2: And that's when we get the next scene too, when
Speaker 2: they're having that discussion.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what I always thought.
Speaker 4: And that that makes sense because now that he knows
Speaker 4: what's on the other side of death, that's why he
Speaker 4: can go and like he can fully do what it
Speaker 4: is that he wants to do because now I understand
Speaker 4: what this whole situation is for real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean I think that that you know,
Speaker 3: we don't do this top recording. Mm hmm, okay.
Speaker 2: I think that's one of those things where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't really value life until we understand
Speaker 2: what death is. When you're a kid, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: life is fun. I'm gonna go ride skateboards, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go play with toys. But then when you get older
Speaker 2: and you're like, shit, this could be over tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I need to go. Huh.
Speaker 2: Dom's already really yeah damn well, he's too smart for
Speaker 2: his own goods. But yeah, that's when you start to
Speaker 2: really realize what life is because it could be over.
Speaker 3: So that's what I took from this.
Speaker 5: We haven't had some conversations. Oh god, it's crazy. At
Speaker 5: least y'all are doing it.
Speaker 3: My mom sent me to the pastor to do it,
Speaker 3: and that just got me in more trouble.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, even in our listens, I think
Speaker 4: there is a point in time where you become obsessed
Speaker 4: with the idea of death and what that means and
Speaker 4: what that means to me and everyone else that I'm
Speaker 4: I'm I love and I'm in community with. So I
Speaker 4: do think that that's like unnatural element of your your
Speaker 4: of your human existence.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So, if they're cyborgs, they've or if these a's machine
Speaker 4: is robots whatever, this artificial intelligence, they've now gotten to
Speaker 4: the point in their development where they're questioning what this
Speaker 4: existence means to me. And the puppet master has now
Speaker 4: now understands fully what it means to die and what
Speaker 4: that means for me as a as a robot, and
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna do what I need to do.
Speaker 5: So just so I can understand which part did he
Speaker 5: are you someone? When he got hit in the street?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they brought it back to life, and
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: Just at this point, I'm like, this is on, this
Speaker 4: is this is soft porn.
Speaker 3: She's basically orgasm. That's what it looked like. That's what
Speaker 3: it looked like.
Speaker 2: But this leads to a very interesting next scene. This
Speaker 2: is a conversation between Chief Nakamura, Chief Oramaki, and the cyborg,
Speaker 2: which is the public master that has reactivated itself. So
Speaker 2: and if for a little bit of context and to
Speaker 2: refreshed memories, the puppet Master is arguing that thoughts created
Speaker 2: from information is no different than thoughts created from chemicals.
Speaker 2: So our brains create thoughts from chemicals in our brain.
Speaker 2: And they're arguing that how is that any different than
Speaker 2: a thought that's created from a bunch of ones and zeros.
Speaker 2: So and then they start to discuss what life is.
Speaker 2: So what did y'all What did y'all take from this
Speaker 2: this scene?
Speaker 1: Some? Was it what they we're talking about?
Speaker 7: The human body is a very complex machine.
Speaker 3: Can be the same thing like some sort of coding.
Speaker 3: And then he said DNA could be manipulated. It's all
Speaker 3: just information.
Speaker 1: Yeah I thought, yeah, I actually thought all that was
Speaker 1: really dope.
Speaker 7: And you know, the puppet Master having this sort of
Speaker 7: insight of you know, into the different aspects of it.
Speaker 7: And you know, it's that question that you know, everyone asked,
Speaker 7: like what it's like? What is death? We always want
Speaker 7: to know? And you know it's almost basically where he's chaining.
Speaker 7: It comes down to perception. You know, death can be
Speaker 7: anything like it could be zeros and ones, which could
Speaker 7: be AI, and AI could within itself attempt to try
Speaker 7: to develop a conscience and a soul. And you know,
Speaker 7: it's just like when that guy was talking about digital
Speaker 7: slavery and stuff that AI will become self where to
Speaker 7: realize that it's just here to serve the bidding, which
Speaker 7: goes back to uh whatever a girl named Michael Mootutoku
Speaker 7: motoku you know, and where you know, and what she's
Speaker 7: like trying to interpret and figure out. So and that's why,
Speaker 7: you know, it's like that's this quest to find this investor.
Speaker 1: And figure out what his true intent is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he was saying that he's not AI, right,
Speaker 5: like he as like an insult on my.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like some other shit, what are you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was crazy.
Speaker 2: The hardest bar that he said was when they asked
Speaker 2: him the proof of his existence. He said, I can't prove
Speaker 2: my existence because y'all came and explain what life even is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was I was like Jesus Christ, man, this is
Speaker 2: this is crazy. From nineteen ninety so, I know, I
Speaker 2: was arguing with somebody recently about Japanese folks and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, when it comes to art and I'm
Speaker 2: talking about art like visual art, music for whatever. In
Speaker 2: Japanese folks just be thinking on a completely different plane.
Speaker 2: And they tried to tell me I was being.
Speaker 5: Racist, and I was like, that's all I be head
Speaker 5: on technology too. I think they just think different. They
Speaker 5: think differently. And then and then I said ninety five,
Speaker 5: but I think the what is it CALLEDO it was
Speaker 5: eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm telling you, I don't know what is
Speaker 2: in the schools over there, but the way that their
Speaker 2: brains like process this kind of shit, it's so fucking fascinating.
Speaker 2: But yeah, to think of a movie like this, or
Speaker 2: even a story like this nineteen eighty nine is fucking
Speaker 2: mind blowing.
Speaker 4: It makes me really understand why it was so much
Speaker 4: outrage over the live action.
Speaker 3: What the live action? Yeah, I still never saw it.
Speaker 3: I never saw it.
Speaker 4: That's part of the reason why I've never watched it,
Speaker 4: because I was like, oh, you saw that movie. No,
Speaker 4: But I guess I never had all of the issues
Speaker 4: watching it. I was like, well, that seems disrespectful, so
Speaker 4: I'll stay away.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 2: I was just like, why would you do this when
Speaker 2: there are plenty of Asian actors and if they're not
Speaker 2: a Japanese actor. At least get an Asian actor. You
Speaker 2: get the most white woman you can fucking find, Scarlett Johansson.
Speaker 2: And nothing against her, but you know she shouldn't have
Speaker 2: took the fucking role, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So some camouflage soldiers break in and take the puppet
Speaker 2: Master's body out of there. They discover that the soldiers
Speaker 2: are using the same camouflage that Motoku uses, which leads
Speaker 2: them to investigate the person who Knockmoor was with. So
Speaker 2: what did y'all think about what Ishikawa figured out?
Speaker 3: Any Again?
Speaker 4: That's the humany one, right?
Speaker 3: The humanity?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the the the police officer that was.
Speaker 2: More human Isiawa is the guy that they called and
Speaker 2: said investigate and research and figure out who that other
Speaker 2: person is. Who the other person, by the way, was
Speaker 2: voiced by Breaking Bad.
Speaker 3: Well I thought that's what that was.
Speaker 2: Sound Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, DoD y'all take anything
Speaker 2: about what he figured out As far as this, This
Speaker 2: is where it always got confusing. When I watched it
Speaker 2: as a kid. It was like, this is a big
Speaker 2: information dump.
Speaker 3: But I was like, all right, I don't know what
Speaker 3: is going on.
Speaker 7: This is one they uh he figured out that it
Speaker 7: was creative for political shiit.
Speaker 3: Sort of.
Speaker 2: So this is where so uh Knackamoor came into the
Speaker 2: facility and he was with another guy that apparently they
Speaker 2: didn't know. They figured that person's name is doctor Will's
Speaker 2: that's the person that's voiced by Brian Cranston, and he's
Speaker 2: a researcher special specializing in AI and he works with Mizuho.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce his last name, the
Speaker 2: guy that remember at the very beginning of the.
Speaker 3: Movie, the guy that they're trying to get out huh section.
Speaker 1: Is the American rights American right.
Speaker 2: Yes, but Mizuho is Japanese. But he is a scientist
Speaker 2: that they were trying to defect out of Japan. So
Speaker 2: I know, this really gets a little bit.
Speaker 4: This was the party that I never really fully understood it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because this is also the part where he was
Speaker 5: trying to figure out was it a third person coming
Speaker 5: in the door?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because the door took too long to close, second,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 4: Was too much it was the car is way too
Speaker 4: much coming.
Speaker 3: Into right, start trying to figure all that out.
Speaker 2: So that's when they realized that there were people in
Speaker 2: camouflage that were in. But this is also when they
Speaker 2: figured out that the group, like section nine whatever. They
Speaker 2: were always told that that group was created to stop
Speaker 2: the puppet Master, but it actually turns out that that
Speaker 2: group was created before puppet Master even existed, right, so
Speaker 2: they actually may have created puppet Master. I remember the
Speaker 2: project that the puppet Master said that he was was
Speaker 2: Project twenty So I keep saying that in my head,
Speaker 2: like you saying that twenty five oh one, And that
Speaker 2: is the same name of the project that they found.
Speaker 2: The file that they found was labeled Project twenty five
Speaker 2: oh one. So in reality, what we're figuring out is
Speaker 2: this group created the puppet Master. They didn't create themselves
Speaker 2: to fight the puppet.
Speaker 4: Master, and the puppet Master just became two powerful.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: It was like, yes, and I'm gonna do what I do.
Speaker 4: That's right, exactly, shut it all down tomorrow.
Speaker 2: We're almost done by this was that was a lot though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was a big information. I remember even
Speaker 2: rewatching it. I had to wander back a few times
Speaker 2: because this park always confuses me because it's so much.
Speaker 1: It was elevator.
Speaker 7: I was like, wait a minute, it was like one Mississippi. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I was like, wait, going through that, I wound
Speaker 7: about three or four times.
Speaker 3: This one of the movies.
Speaker 4: You gotta like just use context clues as you go along.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, for sure, for sure I thought I was dumb.
Speaker 1: And the people that was in.
Speaker 3: There, did they know they're the people that came in there?
Speaker 1: And no, it was the two persons walked in and
Speaker 1: then he.
Speaker 4: Said we're in the car that he show the revolver. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: we didn't see them till like after they they left
Speaker 4: the car whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, right.
Speaker 5: There was some another point I was with the main Yeah,
Speaker 5: because what's the main girl name or major major?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because she was just like, isn't it something similar
Speaker 5: about the two of us?
Speaker 3: Did shed?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do we look alike?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: So that that lends to the point that they might
Speaker 5: have created them because they created her, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think I might have actually skipped over that part.
Speaker 4: No, you haven't gotten there yet because they they're just
Speaker 4: about to snatch up puppet Master when they come in.
Speaker 3: I thought I'd put that on my notes, but I
Speaker 3: don't see.
Speaker 2: It because there was the part where when she was
Speaker 2: asking those questions and she was like, am I am
Speaker 2: I actually human? Maybe I'm not human, maybe I died
Speaker 2: a long time ago. And then but Betoad says, well,
Speaker 2: you're treated like a human, so therefore you're a human.
Speaker 2: And that goes to that whole like, I am, what
Speaker 2: is it I think therefore I am?
Speaker 3: I can't remember. Is that in the Bible or something?
Speaker 3: I can't remember who said that ship? Paul or Jonas
Speaker 3: one of the.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers, Noah, one of the dude said that ship anyway,
Speaker 2: Uh okay. So Motoku catches up to where the puppet
Speaker 2: Master's shell has been taken and it's in a rundown
Speaker 2: old building and the puppet Masters being protected by a
Speaker 2: huge robotic tank.
Speaker 3: What'd y'all think about this battle? This was this was dope.
Speaker 4: The action, all of the action, and this is actually
Speaker 4: pretty good.
Speaker 1: This is when she was trying to lift off the
Speaker 1: ruet that but yeah, this is the same when she
Speaker 1: was naked and she was trying Yeah, yeah, it's that.
Speaker 3: It's that scene.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole battle up until that point when
Speaker 2: she was, you know, dodging the bullets. He was shooting
Speaker 2: down the columns and all that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting. Up the family tree or
Speaker 4: whatever situation.
Speaker 2: I always thought that was so cool in it and
Speaker 2: the bullets always stopped before it hits the very top
Speaker 2: of the tree life, So yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good action, all right.
Speaker 2: The only thing I've never been able to figure out
Speaker 2: is why when they shoot the ceiling out, why that
Speaker 2: makes the tanks camouflage go away?
Speaker 5: I guess because it's breaking the it's breaking the the
Speaker 5: mold a little bit. That makes sense, like like because
Speaker 5: the same thing happened to her in the water. Like
Speaker 5: certain it's like a circuit because's at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, I'm sure it's like a circuit breaker. That's
Speaker 5: that's making it the always thermal too, it's thermal, so
Speaker 5: maybe all of that has something to do with it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, you just like I said, you just breaking the.
Speaker 3: Cloak, Okay, you know, yeah, that part's always going to.
Speaker 4: The glass essentially breaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like a reflection. There's a reflection of
Speaker 1: the outer world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's normally what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so if you interfere with that, then it's
Speaker 1: gonna itself. Yeah. Visible.
Speaker 2: Well, now we're to the next part. Ken's favorite part
Speaker 2: is when she tries to open the lid. She gets
Speaker 2: butt ass naked for no apparent reason, so you still
Speaker 2: think it's for no reason. I still think it's because
Speaker 2: she did she did cloak, so I'm assuming it's tied
Speaker 2: to that in some way.
Speaker 3: But even when the cloak is off, she's still just
Speaker 3: butt assed neck and it's not a big deal. But
Speaker 3: and she stays butt.
Speaker 2: Assnked while she's trying to pull the lid off, but
Speaker 2: she strains too hard and her body breaks apart and
Speaker 2: then she falls into the water.
Speaker 3: So what did this remind y'all of? When she fell
Speaker 3: into the water.
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out what the hell she
Speaker 1: didn't stop?
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, because the most important part for her
Speaker 2: is her brain.
Speaker 3: She can get a new body, the bodies.
Speaker 2: She's realizing the body is not necessarily important because it's
Speaker 2: just a shell. So I think that's why she couldn't
Speaker 2: stop herself. She was she was trying to just get
Speaker 2: into this lid. I wish they would have found a
Speaker 2: different reason for this to happen, because just opening the lid,
Speaker 2: it's just like, okay, you open it.
Speaker 3: And then what old boy showed up and was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was really stupid.
Speaker 7: What are you doing but it was dope, seeing like
Speaker 7: her whole body just rip apart and she's just laying
Speaker 7: on the ground, just looking up and sitting.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did I do that?
Speaker 3: That was dumb as hell? Like motions.
Speaker 1: Did this?
Speaker 2: That part where she falls in the water that remind
Speaker 2: you all of anything was supposed to remind us.
Speaker 3: I'll give y'all a hint.
Speaker 2: The part that I said was my favorite part of
Speaker 2: the movie, Oh the trash. When she falls in she's
Speaker 2: like laying in the water the same way the trash was.
Speaker 3: So now it's once again pushing the idea.
Speaker 2: Of I have exhausted my usability and now I basically
Speaker 2: am trash.
Speaker 3: I'm a piece of trash laying in the water. So yeah, all.
Speaker 2: Right, so I sectioned as sex just sits closing in
Speaker 2: on him. But Toku hacks into the puppet Master had
Speaker 2: a thought, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I don't want to all right,
Speaker 1: what did y'all think about what she learns when she
Speaker 1: hacks into the puppet Master. This is when the puppet
Speaker 1: Master basically revealed.
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah that ship. Because I thought it was dope.
Speaker 3: He basically he said he didn't want to.
Speaker 1: Uh, he wasn't.
Speaker 7: It was basically the opposite of what they were thinking
Speaker 7: he was going to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and what you mean, I can't remember, damn.
Speaker 3: What were they gonna do?
Speaker 2: They thought he was out to like take over over, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's not.
Speaker 7: He's like give life or become become synthient, or he
Speaker 7: wanted to give birth or something like that.
Speaker 4: That was it, Yeah, trying to populate her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He wants to understand what it is to be a
Speaker 2: living being, and he's realizing that the difference between him
Speaker 2: and humans is he can't reproduce.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you.
Speaker 2: Remember, Mitoku says, well, what about just making a copy?
Speaker 2: And he's like that's not the same, it's not the
Speaker 2: same thing. He's like, humans reproduce, but it's a it's
Speaker 2: a perfect marriage of the two people.
Speaker 3: It's not just a copy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because we are they talking about like sales and
Speaker 7: DNA and all this.
Speaker 3: It's all manipulable information.
Speaker 1: It was like everything kind of regenerates.
Speaker 7: Every single thing you know is able to kind of
Speaker 7: reproduce to become another part. And that's what life essentially is.
Speaker 7: It's just basically reproduction over and over again.
Speaker 8: That was the most interesting part of the movie to me,
Speaker 8: this conversation that they had. I thought it was dope
Speaker 8: to based off what you were saying about the reproduction
Speaker 8: and how life goes in the circle of life and
Speaker 8: things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Was really good.
Speaker 1: And you think about like the things that humans ultimately
Speaker 1: end up creating.
Speaker 7: They mass produce a lot of things. They replicate a
Speaker 7: lot of things, you know, including themselves. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: even you know, stuff that they sell. And you know,
Speaker 7: you look at the these robots and stuff that they're creating,
Speaker 7: they're mass producing those to sell them. You look at
Speaker 7: you know, devices and shit that we have. It's all
Speaker 7: a form of mass reproduction. Every single thing is able
Speaker 7: to produce. And you know, the entity wanted to basically
Speaker 7: do that within itself, which is.
Speaker 1: A really dope idea.
Speaker 7: And again you come back to the idea of what
Speaker 7: is life, the question that everybody's been trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you're technically reproducing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think to them, tech reproducing is just
Speaker 2: making a copy because there's no individuality. Like there's if
Speaker 2: if I have an iPhone and Kenna's iPhone, it's the
Speaker 2: same phone until I mess with it I phone. But
Speaker 2: different AI could operate differently. There could be different code.
Speaker 3: But only if people manipulate it to be different.
Speaker 2: So if you create AI that's based on this chunk
Speaker 2: of information, right, the AI only knows what you fed it.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So until you introduce other information, this AI is the
Speaker 2: same as this AI if it's always based on this
Speaker 2: particular chunk of information.
Speaker 5: But are they saying like AI is starting to be
Speaker 5: able to like are they saying that Hi, but you
Speaker 5: still somebody it feeds something it's feeding off of some.
Speaker 1: They're trying to create that version of AI.
Speaker 7: But the one we have now, the l elms are
Speaker 7: basically just data dumps.
Speaker 2: If you remove the access to information that we give it,
Speaker 2: AI is nothing, right, But.
Speaker 5: Are they trying to create it where it can just
Speaker 5: kind of Yes, idiots are.
Speaker 2: Trying to create it to where it doesn't need that.
Speaker 2: But in nineteen eighty nine, then the way they were thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, if you remove the information that it has
Speaker 2: access to, AI is nothing, and if you only restrict
Speaker 2: it to a certain chunk of information, any AI that
Speaker 2: you create is going to be a copy. It's not
Speaker 2: going to be there's no individual, there's no variety as
Speaker 2: opposed to kids. You have two kids, and I bet
Speaker 2: they're very different, you know, y'all have three and now
Speaker 2: they're all different. That's the way humans are. But AI
Speaker 2: and tech isn't necessarily like that.
Speaker 7: And the mergent and the way these individuals are in
Speaker 7: this show, Major and her partner, you know, they're they're
Speaker 7: basically cyborgs. They're both they're humans and roboty and.
Speaker 3: Even they are, at least they think they are.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Major don't even know. She was like,
Speaker 7: am I you know what?
Speaker 1: Was a kid? Right? So, and that's why she's questioned
Speaker 1: what she is.
Speaker 7: But the puppet Master is basically trying to become a
Speaker 7: robotic version of that, you know, and basically just reproduce.
Speaker 7: And everybody has their own synthient thoughts, their own individuality, right.
Speaker 2: He proposes merging with Matoku because it will almost be
Speaker 2: like having a child because it will be a combination
Speaker 2: of the two of them, and then they can spread
Speaker 2: their offspring throughout the internet, which is crazy. But right
Speaker 2: as they merge, Section six shows up and kills them both.
Speaker 2: But what did y'all think about the final scene where
Speaker 2: Botoau has put Matoku's conscience into another body.
Speaker 3: And it was that child, right, Yes, it was a child.
Speaker 4: Accomplished basically, And that's what it felt like. It felt
Speaker 4: like this was now the offspring of the merged beings.
Speaker 4: And the fact that he put her, the merged thought,
Speaker 4: the merged entity into a child's body kind of symbolized
Speaker 4: because the voice changed went from a baby's a childlike
Speaker 4: voice back to Major's voice. So, and I think whatever
Speaker 4: the guy's name is even kind of sense it. So
Speaker 4: he's like, so, y'all.
Speaker 3: Wan now, like you ain't going back.
Speaker 4: So I think ultimately it was them having merged. And
Speaker 4: that's why I said once I realized this was like
Speaker 4: a universe, because that's what it felt like. It felt
Speaker 4: like this was now the start of what puppet Master
Speaker 4: was trying to initially do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and does so and does that process start over?
Speaker 7: Because if she was a child, now she's back to
Speaker 7: being a child again, you know.
Speaker 2: And do they grow? I mean what does grow mean?
Speaker 2: It just means learning new information?
Speaker 1: Right, well, the physical body does the physical body or
Speaker 1: she just stuck?
Speaker 4: So I got the impression that she was just stuck.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't think they grow.
Speaker 2: They probably just get moved into a bigger body at
Speaker 2: some point, maybe.
Speaker 1: Kind of like Megan, yes, Rade, So how the hell
Speaker 1: are they gonna end up doing reproducing that?
Speaker 4: I mean they reproducing them in the net, right, So
Speaker 4: the idea is that you have all of these connected
Speaker 4: entities in different bodies.
Speaker 7: Cybercomputer, yeah, the Internet, because that was a dope ass
Speaker 7: shot where they kind of show the cities almost like
Speaker 7: a circuit board when you look at it from the top,
Speaker 7: and everything's kind of connected as well, but it's very cerebral.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna throw one more last part at you
Speaker 2: before we end this because I still don't have the
Speaker 2: answer for this.
Speaker 3: But did y'all notice when.
Speaker 2: When Matoku is put into the child's body and the
Speaker 2: video starts, it's like a grainy, choppy footage, right, and
Speaker 2: it's looking at the child's body, and then it clears
Speaker 2: up after that and it's like the regular clear footage.
Speaker 3: If you watch that scene when it.
Speaker 2: First starts, there's like these like a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: things connected to the child's body. The picture is flipped
Speaker 2: horizontally when it clears up, so it almost seems like
Speaker 2: there's two people that are looking at the child's body.
Speaker 3: Am I making sense?
Speaker 2: Like if you if you get bored, just go back
Speaker 2: and watch the last minute and a half of the movie.
Speaker 2: Two minutes of the movie when she first wakes up,
Speaker 2: or what we think is her waking up, The footage
Speaker 2: is kind of choppy, kind of like it was earlier
Speaker 2: when when the other one got ran over. The footage
Speaker 2: is choppy, but then when it clears up, it's like
Speaker 2: the image that she was looking at is reversed.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like we're.
Speaker 2: Waking up and seeing one version of her and then
Speaker 2: the version changes, or it means that they put Matoku's
Speaker 2: conscience into two different bodies. I don't know what to
Speaker 2: take from the scene.
Speaker 4: I don't recall.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds familiar. I do remember seeing something weird
Speaker 5: about that. Yeah, the way she woke up, that would
Speaker 5: be interesting because.
Speaker 7: Then that means that that couldn't imply that she's been
Speaker 7: replicated m hm, you know.
Speaker 3: Elsewhere and doesn't even know it yet.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's what they're saying, or
Speaker 2: if they're trying to push the idea that again, they're
Speaker 2: multiple consciences here. And I also ask y'all what it
Speaker 2: meant when she sees the angel.
Speaker 3: Before she gets killed.
Speaker 4: She saw an angel, but I thought that was supposed
Speaker 4: to be like the plane, So the helicopters in the
Speaker 4: sky that came down to kill them, So that's what
Speaker 4: That's what I thought. But considering the fact that they
Speaker 4: were created by people, right, there's a lot of weird
Speaker 4: spiritual context. Yeah, so it's almost like your creator sending
Speaker 4: people down to to come kill you.
Speaker 3: That's sense. Yeah, and the planes do look like birds.
Speaker 2: I never thought about the angel actually being a plane,
Speaker 2: but that does make sense when you're discussing the whole
Speaker 2: idea of death and how death makes them feel human
Speaker 2: because Papa Mastercoty wanted the angel came down, he died,
Speaker 2: and in that moment moment, he knew what it meant
Speaker 2: to be human. I never thought about that, but that
Speaker 2: does make sense.
Speaker 4: Knew what it meant to be human and also is
Speaker 4: now resurrected as this multiplied entity.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot of spiritual references through this.
Speaker 4: Too interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad most of us enjoyed this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if y'all get bored, y'all should go watch
Speaker 2: some of the other ones, they're just as weird and
Speaker 2: they definitely explore the world even more.
Speaker 3: But I was happy to talk about this with y'all.
Speaker 2: Nay, thanks for coming through and talking some nerdy anime
Speaker 2: stuff with us.
Speaker 7: And yeah, you know, I definitely want to do a rewatch,
Speaker 7: and I think I want to go through the whole world.
Speaker 7: I think the idea of the puppet Master controlling different
Speaker 7: sort of things can be applied in a lot of
Speaker 7: different places, you know, all the metaphors and stuff that
Speaker 7: doesn't hear, the idea of the ghost in the ship. Oh,
Speaker 7: it can be applied in a multitude of different ways
Speaker 7: with humans and the internet and AI and.
Speaker 1: Just just all over the place.
Speaker 7: It can get like really really really really cerebral and
Speaker 7: take you down, like you know, a rabbit hole of.
Speaker 1: The different meanings of everything. So yeah, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: I hate, I hate. It's been thirty years, thirty years.
Speaker 3: To watch this. Yeah, this is one of the This
Speaker 3: is one of the better ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I would have loved to have a lot of time
Speaker 7: to spend with it, to really think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm more in depth.
Speaker 3: Y'all surprised that you hadn't seen it.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, I haven't really done like a lot of
Speaker 4: older anime. I will say that this animation style, like
Speaker 4: like perfect Blue Room. I like it because it reminds
Speaker 4: me of Gym in the Holograms, Like it's the same
Speaker 4: kind of like animation style that I remember watching as
Speaker 4: a kid in that. So yeah, no, I'm not. I
Speaker 4: haven't gone back and watched a lot of older anime.
Speaker 4: But this was This was good. This was what I
Speaker 4: wanted more like what I wanted to hear it to be.
Speaker 3: I get that, I get that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to rewatch that one again. Watch this one.
Speaker 1: I definitely need to go back and rewatched it.
Speaker 3: That ship is a masterpiece, not a story behind a cure.
Speaker 1: Was good.
Speaker 4: It was good, So he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Damn it was good.
Speaker 4: It just it just did a little too much for me.
Speaker 3: At the end, y'all killing me. I was trying to
Speaker 3: wrap this up. Andy'll go.
Speaker 2: All right, well, once again, thank y'all for listening. Keep
Speaker 2: these coming, man, like you know, well maybe.
Speaker 3: Said no bro never mind. Yeah, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's seen this one.
Speaker 2: I assume he has. I still want to do perfectly,
Speaker 2: but we'll hope it wins one day. No, and they
Speaker 2: keep it never wins, and it's like one of my
Speaker 2: favorite animes. For this, yeah, they voted for them. Wait no,
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. This is this is an anniversary, so they
Speaker 2: do vote for the anniversary. I think I think you put.
Speaker 1: I'm used to watch it off the strength of your recommendation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because yeah, it's one of my favorite.
Speaker 3: Hopefully one of these days we'll cover it up here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Spike wouldn't hate that one because
Speaker 2: it's basically just like a regular ass movie, but it is.
Speaker 4: It's a lot easier to follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it has some really interesting ideas. But
Speaker 2: all right, we talked about Perfect Blue a little bit,
Speaker 2: so y'all know what to do.
Speaker 3: Try to make us do it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, we will see y'all next time.
Speaker 2: Thank y'all for listening, and thank you once again Nate
Speaker 2: for coming through. And y'all have a going peace.