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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome to another episode of The Frames per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host for the evening. My name is Mike.

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Speaker 2: Next to me, I have Spike next to Spike, I

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Speaker 2: have Ken next to Ken. I havena Hey, hey, Nay and.

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Speaker 3: Uh next to Nay. We have Rod. But let's get

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Speaker 3: back to Nay. What's going going on there? Not much chilling?

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Speaker 3: Are you still continuing your anime quest?

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Speaker 4: I am still in dabbling in the anime streets. I

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Speaker 4: haven't watched a lot to too recently, but I really

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Speaker 4: am trying to get through Yeah, I'm trying to get

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Speaker 4: through that. K Yeah, that I'm trying to I'm I'm like,

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Speaker 4: try struggling through season one and I'm like I think,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to watch anything else until

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Speaker 4: I'm able.

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Speaker 3: To get through that.

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Speaker 1: I'm on season two, but I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 4: I heard season two was a lot better. I want

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Speaker 4: to get into Chainsaw Man because I had a desire

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Speaker 4: to see the movie when it came out, but I

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Speaker 4: was told that I need.

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Speaker 3: To watch the show and the movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I heard you kind of need to have

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Speaker 4: an understanding of what's going on. So I was like, well,

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Speaker 4: I'll just catch it after I watched the show.

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Speaker 5: So that is a new movie that's out in theaters. Okay,

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Speaker 5: I thought it was doing like an anniversary. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: what I thought they were doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I'm still I'm stealing these anime streets.

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Speaker 3: So was this your first time watching ghost in the show?

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Speaker 4: Was?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Where'd you think? It was?

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Speaker 4: Pretty? It was pretty. I really liked they call an

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Speaker 4: cinema size. I like the animation. It reminded me of

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Speaker 4: you remember the Perfect Blue that you did talk It

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Speaker 4: reminded me of that. I thought the story was all

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Speaker 4: in all, it was cool.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go ahead, stick with the rights.

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Speaker 3: Are they both wrong today?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I started off thinking it was cool.

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Speaker 5: But nah, but nah, but now I was like, no,

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Speaker 5: this is this is actually really good.

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Speaker 3: I have my is it is it? Has it always

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Speaker 3: been in English?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I should have told y'all because the translation

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Speaker 2: is not great.

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Speaker 4: Okay, translation, that makes me feel better.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's the part.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everything else was good, and see this is this

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Speaker 5: is one of those rare ocasions where I'm like, I

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Speaker 5: probably need the original version because the.

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Speaker 4: Give it to it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I meant to tell y'all that I forgot. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was it was bad.

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Speaker 5: Like the dub dub version in this, I did not

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Speaker 5: like the main girl, like she sounded like Siri.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was just like, yeah, I think that's.

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Speaker 4: What I think. That's probably what took me out. I

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Speaker 4: was like, this is too dialogue heavy for it to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I had to take I had to take

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Speaker 5: that out, right, I had to take that part out of them, Like, okay,

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Speaker 5: so maybe this wasn't like the way initially was supposed

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Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, yeah, no, this is this

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Speaker 3: is pretty good. This is pretty good. Yeah cool, all right, Ken,

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Speaker 3: what did you think?

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it?

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Speaker 7: You know, I think watching it, I was thinking, damn,

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Speaker 7: why why didn't nobody really tell me about this before?

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Speaker 7: Which I'm probably sure that no, no, no they didn't,

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Speaker 7: but I always heard it was good. But this is

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Speaker 7: like what they were talking about, what they were doing,

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Speaker 7: It's right on my alley, bro sci fi cyborg shit.

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Speaker 7: You know, all the ship that they were doing, the

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Speaker 1: What is it all? All the other ship you know,

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Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, this was this was it? So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I definitely enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Did you make it through it?

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Speaker 1: Barely? Barely?

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Speaker 3: I think my first experience with anime.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.

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Speaker 5: All some other stuff out that spite you be like this.

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Speaker 4: Didn't participate in the cure then yeah, if you would

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Speaker 4: have liked to cure more harder.

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Speaker 3: To understanding this.

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Speaker 4: It gets a little wilder. Like by the end, it's

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Speaker 4: like the story gets a little weirder, and this pretty.

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Speaker 3: Much stays what it is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah this was flat. You used to correct

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Speaker 6: word you said. It's pretty flat. For me, nothing really

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Speaker 6: jumped out. The story wasn't great. I was surprised that

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Speaker 6: so many cartoons.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, the anime is play in that world. I

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Speaker 7: love it, bro, that's why all the.

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Speaker 1: Kids be watching this get dress and like that.

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Speaker 2: And the funniest thing is if you look at it

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Speaker 2: on Hulu was it not Hulu TV? It says that

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Speaker 2: it is TV fourteen, that's what it's rated. But it's

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Speaker 2: tons of nudity in the film. But I guess because

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Speaker 3: Can't hear right, no, no, no, no, he's corrected.

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Speaker 2: All right, I expect you not to like it, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: these are the types of anime that I like.

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Speaker 3: The cerebral ones like I.

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Speaker 2: Can't do the one pieces and the I forget the

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Speaker 2: one that jayalen Ke's bugging me about the fact that

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Speaker 2: I haven't finished watching.

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Speaker 3: Attack on Titan.

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Speaker 2: No, I gave up on that one too, but no,

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Speaker 2: it's the one that they made they made it into

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Speaker 2: a live action show watch TV Avatar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, these don't do it for me.

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Speaker 2: But these weird ones that are just like all over

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Speaker 3: I really really like.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna go ahead and jump into this and

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Speaker 2: throw us out for anybody that wants to take it.

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Speaker 3: We're dropped, that's what that's what.

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Speaker 1: Bill.

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Speaker 2: Put your ghost in my shell, Bill put it in

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Speaker 2: my shell.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: We're dropped into a world where society has been over computerized,

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Speaker 2: we meet Matoku Kusinagi, who leads a strike team and

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Speaker 2: ends up assassinating a foreign diplomat who's trying to smuggle

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Speaker 2: a programmer out. Now, I'm gonna be totally honest. I

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Speaker 2: can still remember when I first watched this movie. I

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Speaker 2: was like, I don't understand what the fun just happened?

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Speaker 5: Really, yes, because I was just huh no, I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: I'm sing, go ahead, U was about displaying.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, like though, I couldn't understand

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Speaker 2: And I remember when I first watched it, I was like,

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Speaker 2: dubya the subtitles.

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Speaker 3: It makes a lot more sense.

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Speaker 4: But well, I watched the dub version with the subtitles.

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Speaker 4: It helped a little bit.

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Speaker 1: M hmm.

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Speaker 4: But I can I can see I can see why

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Speaker 3: This was the point. I was like, wait a minute, let.

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Speaker 4: Me put the subtitles on. Yeah, what she just unplugged

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Speaker 4: they doing? What about a passport? So yeah, I put

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Speaker 4: this is when I put the subtitles on.

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Speaker 5: My first thaw was like, why she had to take

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Speaker 3: Right, So I picked up on that like a little later.

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Speaker 5: I was just like, man, why why they gotta show

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Speaker 5: what titties? And like I didn't understand immediately, Like.

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Speaker 3: But let me hit you with this. Well, it's not

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Speaker 3: we'll get to it. We'll get to it. Do you

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Speaker 3: think this part was cool for what I understood it? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like you said, I ain't watched.

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Speaker 6: I should have cut the subtitles on like they said,

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Speaker 6: but I did watch that first part twice.

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Speaker 3: To your point, it's like why why she just shoot him?

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Speaker 4: And who was like yeah, so I thought it looked

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Speaker 3: Feel like a flux.

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Speaker 4: I can see that, so I was like and I

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Speaker 5: I think I think I figured that that what you

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Speaker 5: just that question you had out she was she had

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Speaker 3: He wasn't fully like how she was.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is, right, Yeah, partly, but it's also because,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, I don't think she understands like the

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Speaker 2: whole idea of shame because she's not used to this.

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Speaker 2: Like we'll get to it, but like when she gets

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Speaker 2: naked on the boat, she just does it like it's

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Speaker 3: But Bato like shifts his head away.

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Speaker 2: I think she just doesn't really even factor in that

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Speaker 3: No sexualizing here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, the whole nude versus is a

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Speaker 2: shame and there's nothing weird about it, but naked is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be covered up, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: All like new beaches that's what they call, right, and

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Speaker 2: not naked beaches.

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Speaker 4: Because she was she was ghosted as a kid.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she was. She was. She was ghosted as

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Speaker 3: a kid.

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Speaker 2: From what I understand, at least and she never really

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Speaker 2: factored in this whole idea of what sexualizing even means.

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Speaker 2: So that's why she's completely fine getting but assed, neked

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Speaker 2: and jumping off of buildings and shit. But this moves

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Speaker 2: into the title sequence, which shows a cyborg being created.

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Speaker 2: What did y'all think of this or what did you

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Speaker 3: I really liked the music. The music They nailed that.

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Speaker 5: Like it, Like, I'm really big on music soundtrack even

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Speaker 5: when I create my videos, and it gives like a

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Speaker 3: They really do that a.

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Speaker 5: Few times in this movie, and I was just like, man,

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Speaker 1: I was walking around doing stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what the dude said.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, And this was supposed to be in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: He's the one that has the revolver.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: But but the Section nine was supposed to be the

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Speaker 3: Ye, section, I might get him backwards, I might get

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Speaker 2: Section one one one section was the one that was

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, section nine, I think section she

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Speaker 2: So did y'all take anything from them talking about the

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Speaker 3: What was that first to worry about getting stuck? Right?

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Speaker 2: She was saying how he's more comfortable using a revolver

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Speaker 3: It reminded me of. Don't be like that.

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Speaker 5: So the ghost supposed to be synonymous with like spirits,

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Speaker 3: So what did y'all think of this fight scene?

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Speaker 1: Fight? One way, he chased them down on the beach

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Speaker 7: You don't have a family, you don't remember all anything,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all this shit was dope.

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Speaker 7: I liked all of this, and then just even the

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Speaker 1: You know. So I thought that was dope.

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Speaker 2: So no, So these things I get, I think in

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Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that first because they were able

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Speaker 4: It's like they were able to communicate Yeah, through the

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Speaker 5: But nah, for the the action scene and all that,

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Speaker 3: What though? Did you say, dad?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought this the idea of that was interesting,

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Speaker 7: Happen, Like if that really happened. You know, you have

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Speaker 3: Know, spoiling ship.

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Speaker 2: Damn you just a spoiler, just a spoiling spoiler.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but uh but nevertheless, uh yeah, and then so

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Speaker 3: Not not no no, no, no no.

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Speaker 7: But but yeah, yeah, like injecting these thoughts and ideas

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Speaker 2: So but your own thoughts go away. Though, that's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they're just yeah, they're just completely gone.

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Speaker 4: This is the part where I was getting frustrated because

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Speaker 3: You know what's crazy about this? Sometimes it was a

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Speaker 5: how far apart did they release that?

449
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 3: I don't I couldn't they all in the nineties or

450
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 3: something in the two thousands and something.

451
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 5: I didn't know it was a whole TV show, so

452
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 5: that that's real because I went and looked up.

453
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 3: So I didn't.

454
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that this was I thought it was

455
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 5: just like because a cure, it's only it's only a cure,

456
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 5: it's it's nothing else. Yeah, So I thought it was

457
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 5: like that there's there's there's either three or four movies

458
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 5: interesting and an anime TV show. Wow, And I feel

459
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 5: like you need to watch all of it's probably meant

460
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 5: to So yeah, that's probably like that. Oh really, they

461
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 5: didn't originally play I don't think that they planned for

462
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 5: there to be a big you know, a whole bunch

463
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 5: of sequels.

464
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 3: They just made this movie, but they just drop you

465
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 3: in the world without really explaining.

466
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 5: So it's from the manga, like like the whole universe

467
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 5: is like there, I don't know what the like, what

468
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 5: does that entail?

469
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 7: What?

470
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm curious?

471
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 4: So I got the impression and it was like the

472
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 4: manga was probably like this whole big story and they

473
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 4: just took a piece of that and made this movie.

474
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 4: So that was starting to create other spin offs based

475
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 4: on the source material.

476
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 5: In the manga, So that would make sense to me,

477
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, I may not get

478
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 5: the full scope in this first one, and then you

479
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 5: gotta watch the second one and that kind of slowly

480
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 5: start bringing things together because a lot of stuff is

481
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 5: like that now right with the series we watch like, yeah,

482
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 5: some stuff don't make it. It's like a Game of

483
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 5: Thrones almost, Yeah, Star Wars they all do that.

484
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 4: That made it figure it out. Knowing that made this

485
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: movie a little bit better for me. It made me

486
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 4: feel like, Okay, this is just a piece of the puzzle.

487
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, yeah, whatever it is.

488
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 7: Because I don't read the manga following this ship, but

489
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 7: those that read the manga angles in the show said

490
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 7: they like the telling of this better because it cuts

491
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 7: out a lot of the unnecessary stuff that was in

492
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 7: the manga.

493
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 5: Oh damn, yeah, interesting, that is interesting.

494
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: All right.

495
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: So what did y'all think of the scene with Matoku

496
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: and Buttou on the boat. We kind of mentioned it

497
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier.

498
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 3: We're seeing how much she.

499
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: Loves to swim, even though it's quite dangerous due to

500
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: her body being cybernetic.

501
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, what did she say? She said? She said

502
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: something about it like.

503
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: It's like comes out of the water. It's almost like

504
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: she feel like she's a different person.

505
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 5: Baptism, something about like the risks, like she's willing, she's

506
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 5: willing to take the risks as well. She quote can't

507
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 5: remember what she what she said though, because it was

508
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 5: a hard bar.

509
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 3: I can't remember what she said though. I don't remember either, but.

510
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 4: I remember the inference. But this is when I realized, oh,

511
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 4: she's struggling with her idea of existence and the idea

512
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: of death. Doesn't necessarily scare her because it almost solidifies

513
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 4: what she actually is. So yeah, this is when I

514
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: started to understand that she was like, she's struggling with

515
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: the spiritual aspect of what she is yep, yep, which

516
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 4: is why, Yes, I saw the I got the birth

517
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 4: stuff from the opening scene, but this one really was

518
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 4: more spiritual heavy, and it felt more like baptism than

519
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 4: like kind of like coming up and becoming a new

520
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: creature kind of situation. Is what the feeling I got

521
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: from this water scene and.

522
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 5: What the Puppa Master was doing is what sparked this

523
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 5: whole thing with her because that even her partner was saying, like,

524
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 5: every since the Pufpa masses showed up, you've been bullshit.

525
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's to which will also get

526
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: to but due to the fact that they started realizing

527
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: that the ghost is not always human mm hmm, that

528
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: that can be created. So she's just struggling with what

529
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: am I Jesus? Am I just a cyborg? Am I human?

530
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: As well? But yeah, I thought this part on the

531
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: boat was actually interesting.

532
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: Spike wake up of the voice that happens on the boat,

533
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: What did you take from that? I don't remember what

534
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: he said.

535
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: It was just because they both were like, what, No.

536
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the puppet mastership.

537
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 4: Did y'all read the.

538
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: Caption that said thinking I didn't see that?

539
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when that, when that voice is happening, it

540
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: puts thinking in front of and so I'm like, Okay,

541
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: is that actually her?

542
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: Because they both heard it out loud, it seemed like

543
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: so I've never really gotten a full answer on that.

544
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: I do think it was her.

545
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: I thought he was able to hear her thoughts.

546
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: No, because members shots. She got surprised by what.

547
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 4: He was like.

548
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: I think this is supposed to kind of symbolize that

549
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 2: she does kind of think that she's two separate people,

550
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: But I.

551
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: Don't have a solification for that.

552
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: I was a bit confused because to Roderick's point, like,

553
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: there's a lot of scenes where they're talking without their

554
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: lips moving, So I didn't Initially when the voice happened,

555
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: it didn't spark me as anything different because I felt

556
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: like I'd already seen that happen. But when they both

557
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: their comment like well who was that, I'm like, well,

558
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 4: what's the difference between what's going on on the boat

559
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 4: and what's been going on and continues to go on

560
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: when they speak without any any words. So is there

561
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: some sort of like connection of all the side that

562
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 4: allows them to be able to That's why I said

563
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: it felt like I felt like it's like they're on

564
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: the same network and there's certain things and thoughts that

565
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: they're able to connect to. But she's on a different.

566
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: Plane and it almost sounded like it didn't really sound

567
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: like her voice it right, So that was also why

568
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: they were both like, who the fuck was that?

569
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: And why are we both hearing it out loud?

570
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: So, actually, maybe you're right.

571
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: You ever said a public master, Maybe it's a public

572
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: master hacking in That's what I thought, Yeah, you're probably right.

573
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: Actually interesting, this next part is one of my favorite

574
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: parts of the whole film.

575
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: So they're riding around in a boat.

576
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: Well she's riding around in a boat, yes, and she's

577
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: looking around at some of the things that are happening.

578
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: I'll save my thoughts for after y'all.

579
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: But what did y'all take from the scene where she's

580
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: looking around from the boat?

581
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 5: I don't know what what if I actually took anything

582
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 5: from that part.

583
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: This is the part where it was like no dialogue

584
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: and yes, yeah, it was so good.

585
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: I guess just showing the influence of like the AI

586
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.

587
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: I guess that's going on in the world. And but again,

588
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: like I.

589
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 5: Was just mess maros by the scene and the music,

590
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: so I didn't really try to pull like I definitely

591
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: would have needed to watch this one more time to

592
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 5: get the full scope and whatnot. So, you know, my

593
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: opinions on it this kind of surface level right now.

594
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, anybody.

595
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: Else, No, I'm kind of with Rod, Like I think

596
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 4: I was more kind of caught up in what I

597
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 4: was looking at versus what I was looking at, if

598
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 4: that makes sense. But I did feel like it was

599
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: to me, it just seemed like an extension of the

600
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: struggle that she was having on the boat, because she

601
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: saw herself in some people. So it's like understanding how

602
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: much of us are all connected and how much of

603
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 4: me is me?

604
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 7: This was when like you were seeing the billboard signs

605
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 7: and parts of the city and stuff like that and

606
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 7: all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I really

607
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 7: didn't think much of it to you, ask I was,

608
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 7: you know, I thought she was just but but but uh,

609
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 7: but no, I think there's a there's sort of a

610
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 7: connectivity that they all have, and she's like looking at

611
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 7: that and how she is directly anddirectly connected to the

612
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 7: world like as a machine and and human whatether this

613
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 7: entity is and the puppet master is is in there

614
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 7: and able to reach out and connect and control a

615
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 7: lot of a lot of other aspects of it. So,

616
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 7: you know, going back to this sort of identity crisis

617
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 7: she has, it's like, you know what am I really?

618
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 7: Am I also all of these other things that I'm

619
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 7: looking at? And you know, am I part of that

620
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 7: billboard and all the part of these other people?

621
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: You know? So what really is the world? That's essential? Crisis?

622
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Existential is absolutely what I took from it too.

623
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: No, because it's like to his point, like how much

624
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: the connectivity of it all? Like how much am I

625
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: related to these people? How much am I related to

626
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: these electronics and the and the more the less human aspect,

627
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: like just in general, like how connected are we actually

628
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: are you present? How connected are you with the people

629
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 4: that you're in the room with versus outside of yourself?

630
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 5: That's why I see a lot like I did here

631
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 5: and be said it too that a lot of ideas

632
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 5: came from like got the matrix.

633
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: Like got a lot of ideas from this.

634
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very blade runner too, especially Dollar.

635
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had that thought as well, Like I

636
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: went enough to watch this ship, I should have smoked.

637
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: Perfect.

638
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: It was a lot.

639
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: So the reasons I love this scene so much is

640
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: because this is her once again thinking about who and

641
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: what she is.

642
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: So the first thing she looks at is.

643
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Another model, another cyborg that's the same model as herself,

644
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: so she goes from that. Then she looks over and

645
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: she sees the under construction buildings. Then she looks down

646
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: and she sees the trash the I think it's like

647
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: a tricycle and there's other machine like things in the

648
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: water that's just discarded with. So I think this is

649
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: all her thinking about what she is. You know, what

650
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: does it mean to have value? Am I gonna at

651
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: some point be trash like this? Which we'll get to later. Also,

652
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: it then shows this scene of these mannequins in a

653
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: window and these people are walking by the mannequins and

654
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: there's a reflection. So then you get this idea of

655
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: people create mannequins to look like them, but to do

656
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: their bidding. Just like Matoku is, she was created to

657
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: resemble humans, but she's not really her own human, Like

658
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: she's not really her own beating her whatever. Somebody is

659
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: controlling her, someone is making her do certain things. So

660
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: I think this is her thinking like, am I gonna

661
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: just be tossed out like trash when I'm no longer

662
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: of use?

663
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: You know? What? Does what does this mean about me?

664
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: So she didn't have freewheel. She just sort of yeah, yeah, yeah,

665
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: go ahead.

666
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: So that takes me back to the window scene and

667
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: when she wakes up, like what struck me? She woke up,

668
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 4: She just got dressed and walked out exactly routine. There's

669
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: so like, let me get myself together. It's just she

670
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: popped up yep, and then got dressed.

671
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: That was the dope as scene.

672
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 5: So with the light with the window and then she

673
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 5: opened the door, see the crack in his shadow and

674
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 5: all that, I was like man killing She didn't.

675
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 2: She didn't even think like they're like most humans would

676
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: wake up, turn a light on, get dressed. No, she

677
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: just wakes up, opens the window just so she can

678
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: see what's going on outside, and then she just gets

679
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: dressed in the dark and leaves. So there's definitely like

680
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: a lack of human routine exactly.

681
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: She has she doesn't really have free wheel, like she's

682
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: created to do the work, and so there is no

683
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: portion of her day where she's taking time for herself.

684
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: She's just getting up and doing the work.

685
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: But she seemed like she started to get free Wiel

686
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 5: wants the Puffer Master show.

687
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: That's right.

688
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: And then once the swimming, So the swim that's her routine.

689
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: It's like her struggling with her existence and with her

690
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: understanding creates allows her to have a lane where she

691
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: can create something for herself.

692
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 3: And feels saying, once you have really settle on into it,

693
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: it's like.

694
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 5: It's heady, but it's head but it's like once you

695
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: realize that, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, this is this

696
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 5: is good.

697
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: So they find as.

698
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: Like, so they find a cyborg that's been hit by

699
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: a truck and they're told the cyborg is completely synthetic,

700
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: but it has a ghost.

701
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: And the whole.

702
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Confusing part is they were under the impression that a

703
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: ghost is human and can't be manufactured synthetically.

704
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: Spike was as interesting at all of you.

705
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 6: It's when they tried to plug into it, right, Yeah, yeah,

706
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 6: I mean it was interesting for what it was. But

707
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 6: I mean I was following the story okay at this

708
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 6: point and seeing what they were trying to do as

709
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: far as plugging into it to save it.

710
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: So yet that's anybody else?

711
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: Why she kill herself? Why did the puppet master happen?

712
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: Like if it was a fully autonomous cyborg, right, why

713
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: would it kill itself?

714
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: Maybe because remember how when they were talking on the boat,

715
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: when Matoku and Batau were talking on the boat, and

716
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: they were talking about death and how death kind of

717
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: makes you feel human, right, Maybe that's why.

718
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: Maybe, and this is a guess.

719
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Maybe it was trying to test this whole thing of

720
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: what does death feel like? And that's again that's just

721
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: a guess because nothing, nothing validates what I'm saying. But

722
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: that's always been the way I because at first I thought, well,

723
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: maybe they just did that because he wanted to find

724
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: a way into that that facility. But I don't think

725
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: that's what it was. I think that this is him

726
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what human means, what life means.

727
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: And that's when we get the next scene too, when

728
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: they're having that discussion.

729
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what I always thought.

730
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: And that that makes sense because now that he knows

731
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: what's on the other side of death, that's why he

732
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: can go and like he can fully do what it

733
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: is that he wants to do because now I understand

734
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 4: what this whole situation is for real.

735
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean I think that that you know,

736
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: we don't do this top recording. Mm hmm, okay.

737
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: I think that's one of those things where it's like,

738
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, we don't really value life until we understand

739
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: what death is. When you're a kid, it's just like, oh,

740
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: life is fun. I'm gonna go ride skateboards, I'm gonna

741
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: go play with toys. But then when you get older

742
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: and you're like, shit, this could be over tomorrow.

743
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: I need to go. Huh.

744
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: Dom's already really yeah damn well, he's too smart for

745
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: his own goods. But yeah, that's when you start to

746
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: really realize what life is because it could be over.

747
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: So that's what I took from this.

748
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 5: We haven't had some conversations. Oh god, it's crazy. At

749
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 5: least y'all are doing it.

750
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: My mom sent me to the pastor to do it,

751
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: and that just got me in more trouble.

752
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, even in our listens, I think

753
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 4: there is a point in time where you become obsessed

754
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: with the idea of death and what that means and

755
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: what that means to me and everyone else that I'm

756
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm I love and I'm in community with. So I

757
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: do think that that's like unnatural element of your your

758
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: of your human existence.

759
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: Right.

760
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: So, if they're cyborgs, they've or if these a's machine

761
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 4: is robots whatever, this artificial intelligence, they've now gotten to

762
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: the point in their development where they're questioning what this

763
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 4: existence means to me. And the puppet master has now

764
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 4: now understands fully what it means to die and what

765
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: that means for me as a as a robot, and

766
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna do what I need to do.

767
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 5: So just so I can understand which part did he

768
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 5: are you someone? When he got hit in the street?

769
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: Okay?

770
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they brought it back to life, and

771
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: it was.

772
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 4: Just at this point, I'm like, this is on, this

773
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: is this is soft porn.

774
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: She's basically orgasm. That's what it looked like. That's what

775
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: it looked like.

776
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: But this leads to a very interesting next scene. This

777
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: is a conversation between Chief Nakamura, Chief Oramaki, and the cyborg,

778
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: which is the public master that has reactivated itself. So

779
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: and if for a little bit of context and to

780
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: refreshed memories, the puppet Master is arguing that thoughts created

781
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: from information is no different than thoughts created from chemicals.

782
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: So our brains create thoughts from chemicals in our brain.

783
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: And they're arguing that how is that any different than

784
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: a thought that's created from a bunch of ones and zeros.

785
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: So and then they start to discuss what life is.

786
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: So what did y'all What did y'all take from this

787
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: this scene?

788
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: Some? Was it what they we're talking about?

789
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 7: The human body is a very complex machine.

790
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: Can be the same thing like some sort of coding.

791
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: And then he said DNA could be manipulated. It's all

792
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: just information.

793
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: Yeah I thought, yeah, I actually thought all that was

794
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: really dope.

795
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 7: And you know, the puppet Master having this sort of

796
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 7: insight of you know, into the different aspects of it.

797
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 7: And you know, it's that question that you know, everyone asked,

798
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 7: like what it's like? What is death? We always want

799
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 7: to know? And you know it's almost basically where he's chaining.

800
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 7: It comes down to perception. You know, death can be

801
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 7: anything like it could be zeros and ones, which could

802
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 7: be AI, and AI could within itself attempt to try

803
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 7: to develop a conscience and a soul. And you know,

804
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 7: it's just like when that guy was talking about digital

805
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 7: slavery and stuff that AI will become self where to

806
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 7: realize that it's just here to serve the bidding, which

807
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 7: goes back to uh whatever a girl named Michael Mootutoku

808
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 7: motoku you know, and where you know, and what she's

809
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 7: like trying to interpret and figure out. So and that's why,

810
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 7: you know, it's like that's this quest to find this investor.

811
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: And figure out what his true intent is.

812
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he was saying that he's not AI, right,

813
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: like he as like an insult on my.

814
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like some other shit, what are you? Yeah,

815
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: that was crazy.

816
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: The hardest bar that he said was when they asked

817
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: him the proof of his existence. He said, I can't prove

818
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: my existence because y'all came and explain what life even is. Yeah,

819
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: that was I was like Jesus Christ, man, this is

820
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: this is crazy. From nineteen ninety so, I know, I

821
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: was arguing with somebody recently about Japanese folks and I

822
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: was like, man, when it comes to art and I'm

823
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: talking about art like visual art, music for whatever. In

824
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: Japanese folks just be thinking on a completely different plane.

825
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: And they tried to tell me I was being.

826
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: Racist, and I was like, that's all I be head

827
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 5: on technology too. I think they just think different. They

828
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: think differently. And then and then I said ninety five,

829
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: but I think the what is it CALLEDO it was

830
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: eighty nine.

831
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm telling you, I don't know what is

832
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: in the schools over there, but the way that their

833
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: brains like process this kind of shit, it's so fucking fascinating.

834
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, to think of a movie like this, or

835
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: even a story like this nineteen eighty nine is fucking

836
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: mind blowing.

837
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 4: It makes me really understand why it was so much

838
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: outrage over the live action.

839
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: What the live action? Yeah, I still never saw it.

840
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: I never saw it.

841
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: That's part of the reason why I've never watched it,

842
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: because I was like, oh, you saw that movie. No,

843
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: But I guess I never had all of the issues

844
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: watching it. I was like, well, that seems disrespectful, so

845
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: I'll stay away.

846
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Same.

847
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: I was just like, why would you do this when

848
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: there are plenty of Asian actors and if they're not

849
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: a Japanese actor. At least get an Asian actor. You

850
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: get the most white woman you can fucking find, Scarlett Johansson.

851
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: And nothing against her, but you know she shouldn't have

852
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: took the fucking role, that's for sure.

853
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: All right.

854
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: So some camouflage soldiers break in and take the puppet

855
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: Master's body out of there. They discover that the soldiers

856
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: are using the same camouflage that Motoku uses, which leads

857
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: them to investigate the person who Knockmoor was with. So

858
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: what did y'all think about what Ishikawa figured out?

859
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: Any Again?

860
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: That's the humany one, right?

861
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: The humanity?

862
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, the the the police officer that was.

863
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: More human Isiawa is the guy that they called and

864
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: said investigate and research and figure out who that other

865
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: person is. Who the other person, by the way, was

866
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: voiced by Breaking Bad.

867
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: Well I thought that's what that was.

868
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Sound Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, DoD y'all take anything

869
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: about what he figured out As far as this, This

870
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: is where it always got confusing. When I watched it

871
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: as a kid. It was like, this is a big

872
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: information dump.

873
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: But I was like, all right, I don't know what

874
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: is going on.

875
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 7: This is one they uh he figured out that it

876
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 7: was creative for political shiit.

877
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: Sort of.

878
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: So this is where so uh Knackamoor came into the

879
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: facility and he was with another guy that apparently they

880
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: didn't know. They figured that person's name is doctor Will's

881
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: that's the person that's voiced by Brian Cranston, and he's

882
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: a researcher special specializing in AI and he works with Mizuho.

883
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce his last name, the

884
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: guy that remember at the very beginning of the.

885
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: Movie, the guy that they're trying to get out huh section.

886
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: Is the American rights American right.

887
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: Yes, but Mizuho is Japanese. But he is a scientist

888
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: that they were trying to defect out of Japan. So

889
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: I know, this really gets a little bit.

890
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: This was the party that I never really fully understood it.

891
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, because this is also the part where he was

892
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 5: trying to figure out was it a third person coming

893
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 5: in the door?

894
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because the door took too long to close, second,

895
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: and it.

896
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 4: Was too much it was the car is way too

897
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: much coming.

898
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Into right, start trying to figure all that out.

899
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: So that's when they realized that there were people in

900
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: camouflage that were in. But this is also when they

901
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: figured out that the group, like section nine whatever. They

902
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: were always told that that group was created to stop

903
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: the puppet Master, but it actually turns out that that

904
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: group was created before puppet Master even existed, right, so

905
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: they actually may have created puppet Master. I remember the

906
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: project that the puppet Master said that he was was

907
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Project twenty So I keep saying that in my head,

908
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: like you saying that twenty five oh one, And that

909
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: is the same name of the project that they found.

910
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: The file that they found was labeled Project twenty five

911
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: oh one. So in reality, what we're figuring out is

912
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: this group created the puppet Master. They didn't create themselves

913
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: to fight the puppet.

914
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: Master, and the puppet Master just became two powerful.

915
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: Yes.

916
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: It was like, yes, and I'm gonna do what I do.

917
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 4: That's right, exactly, shut it all down tomorrow.

918
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: We're almost done by this was that was a lot though, Yeah,

919
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 2: it was. It was a big information. I remember even

920
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: rewatching it. I had to wander back a few times

921
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: because this park always confuses me because it's so much.

922
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: It was elevator.

923
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 7: I was like, wait a minute, it was like one Mississippi. Yeah,

924
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 7: and I was like, wait, going through that, I wound

925
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 7: about three or four times.

926
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: This one of the movies.

927
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: You gotta like just use context clues as you go along.

928
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, for sure, for sure I thought I was dumb.

929
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: And the people that was in.

930
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: There, did they know they're the people that came in there?

931
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: And no, it was the two persons walked in and

932
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: then he.

933
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: Said we're in the car that he show the revolver. Okay, okay,

934
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: we didn't see them till like after they they left

935
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: the car whatever.

936
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, right.

937
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: There was some another point I was with the main Yeah,

938
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 5: because what's the main girl name or major major?

939
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

940
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, because she was just like, isn't it something similar

941
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 5: about the two of us?

942
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: Did shed?

943
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

944
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: Do we look alike?

945
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 3: Right?

946
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: So that that lends to the point that they might

947
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: have created them because they created her, right, Yeah.

948
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: And I think I might have actually skipped over that part.

949
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: No, you haven't gotten there yet because they they're just

950
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: about to snatch up puppet Master when they come in.

951
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: I thought I'd put that on my notes, but I

952
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: don't see.

953
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: It because there was the part where when she was

954
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: asking those questions and she was like, am I am

955
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: I actually human? Maybe I'm not human, maybe I died

956
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: a long time ago. And then but Betoad says, well,

957
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: you're treated like a human, so therefore you're a human.

958
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: And that goes to that whole like, I am, what

959
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: is it I think therefore I am?

960
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: I can't remember. Is that in the Bible or something?

961
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 3: I can't remember who said that ship? Paul or Jonas

962
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: one of the.

963
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers, Noah, one of the dude said that ship anyway,

964
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: Uh okay. So Motoku catches up to where the puppet

965
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: Master's shell has been taken and it's in a rundown

966
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: old building and the puppet Masters being protected by a

967
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: huge robotic tank.

968
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: What'd y'all think about this battle? This was this was dope.

969
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 4: The action, all of the action, and this is actually

970
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 4: pretty good.

971
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: This is when she was trying to lift off the

972
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: ruet that but yeah, this is the same when she

973
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: was naked and she was trying Yeah, yeah, it's that.

974
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: It's that scene.

975
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole battle up until that point when

976
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: she was, you know, dodging the bullets. He was shooting

977
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: down the columns and all that.

978
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting. Up the family tree or

979
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 4: whatever situation.

980
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: I always thought that was so cool in it and

981
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: the bullets always stopped before it hits the very top

982
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: of the tree life, So yeah.

983
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good action, all right.

984
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: The only thing I've never been able to figure out

985
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: is why when they shoot the ceiling out, why that

986
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: makes the tanks camouflage go away?

987
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 5: I guess because it's breaking the it's breaking the the

988
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: mold a little bit. That makes sense, like like because

989
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: the same thing happened to her in the water. Like

990
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 5: certain it's like a circuit because's at the end of

991
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 5: the day, I'm sure it's like a circuit breaker. That's

992
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: that's making it the always thermal too, it's thermal, so

993
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 5: maybe all of that has something to do with it. Yeah,

994
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 5: you know, you just like I said, you just breaking the.

995
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: Cloak, Okay, you know, yeah, that part's always going to.

996
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: The glass essentially breaking.

997
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like a reflection. There's a reflection of

998
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: the outer world.

999
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's normally what it is.

1000
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so if you interfere with that, then it's

1001
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna itself. Yeah. Visible.

1002
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: Well, now we're to the next part. Ken's favorite part

1003
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: is when she tries to open the lid. She gets

1004
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: butt ass naked for no apparent reason, so you still

1005
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: think it's for no reason. I still think it's because

1006
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: she did she did cloak, so I'm assuming it's tied

1007
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: to that in some way.

1008
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: But even when the cloak is off, she's still just

1009
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: butt assed neck and it's not a big deal. But

1010
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: and she stays butt.

1011
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Assnked while she's trying to pull the lid off, but

1012
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: she strains too hard and her body breaks apart and

1013
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: then she falls into the water.

1014
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: So what did this remind y'all of? When she fell

1015
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: into the water.

1016
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out what the hell she

1017
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: didn't stop?

1018
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, because the most important part for her

1019
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: is her brain.

1020
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 3: She can get a new body, the bodies.

1021
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: She's realizing the body is not necessarily important because it's

1022
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: just a shell. So I think that's why she couldn't

1023
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 2: stop herself. She was she was trying to just get

1024
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: into this lid. I wish they would have found a

1025
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: different reason for this to happen, because just opening the lid,

1026
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: it's just like, okay, you open it.

1027
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: And then what old boy showed up and was like, yeah,

1028
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: that was really stupid.

1029
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 7: What are you doing but it was dope, seeing like

1030
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 7: her whole body just rip apart and she's just laying

1031
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 7: on the ground, just looking up and sitting.

1032
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did I do that?

1033
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: That was dumb as hell? Like motions.

1034
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: Did this?

1035
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: That part where she falls in the water that remind

1036
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: you all of anything was supposed to remind us.

1037
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: I'll give y'all a hint.

1038
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: The part that I said was my favorite part of

1039
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: the movie, Oh the trash. When she falls in she's

1040
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: like laying in the water the same way the trash was.

1041
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: So now it's once again pushing the idea.

1042
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: Of I have exhausted my usability and now I basically

1043
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: am trash.

1044
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: I'm a piece of trash laying in the water. So yeah, all.

1045
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: Right, so I sectioned as sex just sits closing in

1046
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: on him. But Toku hacks into the puppet Master had

1047
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: a thought, I'm sorry.

1048
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I don't want to all right,

1049
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: what did y'all think about what she learns when she

1050
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: hacks into the puppet Master. This is when the puppet

1051
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Master basically revealed.

1052
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of ship.

1053
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that ship. Because I thought it was dope.

1054
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: He basically he said he didn't want to.

1055
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: Uh, he wasn't.

1056
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 7: It was basically the opposite of what they were thinking

1057
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 7: he was going to do.

1058
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and what you mean, I can't remember, damn.

1059
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: What were they gonna do?

1060
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: They thought he was out to like take over over, Yeah,

1061
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: but he's not.

1062
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 7: He's like give life or become become synthient, or he

1063
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 7: wanted to give birth or something like that.

1064
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: That was it, Yeah, trying to populate her.

1065
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1066
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: He wants to understand what it is to be a

1067
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: living being, and he's realizing that the difference between him

1068
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: and humans is he can't reproduce.

1069
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1070
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you.

1071
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: Remember, Mitoku says, well, what about just making a copy?

1072
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: And he's like that's not the same, it's not the

1073
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: same thing. He's like, humans reproduce, but it's a it's

1074
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: a perfect marriage of the two people.

1075
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: It's not just a copy.

1076
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, because we are they talking about like sales and

1077
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 7: DNA and all this.

1078
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 3: It's all manipulable information.

1079
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: It was like everything kind of regenerates.

1080
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 7: Every single thing you know is able to kind of

1081
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 7: reproduce to become another part. And that's what life essentially is.

1082
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 7: It's just basically reproduction over and over again.

1083
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 8: That was the most interesting part of the movie to me,

1084
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 8: this conversation that they had. I thought it was dope

1085
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 8: to based off what you were saying about the reproduction

1086
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 8: and how life goes in the circle of life and

1087
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 8: things of that nature.

1088
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: Was really good.

1089
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: And you think about like the things that humans ultimately

1090
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: end up creating.

1091
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 7: They mass produce a lot of things. They replicate a

1092
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 7: lot of things, you know, including themselves. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1093
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 7: even you know, stuff that they sell. And you know,

1094
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 7: you look at the these robots and stuff that they're creating,

1095
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 7: they're mass producing those to sell them. You look at

1096
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 7: you know, devices and shit that we have. It's all

1097
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 7: a form of mass reproduction. Every single thing is able

1098
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 7: to produce. And you know, the entity wanted to basically

1099
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 7: do that within itself, which is.

1100
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: A really dope idea.

1101
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 7: And again you come back to the idea of what

1102
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 7: is life, the question that everybody's been trying to figure out.

1103
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you're technically reproducing.

1104
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think to them, tech reproducing is just

1105
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: making a copy because there's no individuality. Like there's if

1106
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: if I have an iPhone and Kenna's iPhone, it's the

1107
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: same phone until I mess with it I phone. But

1108
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: different AI could operate differently. There could be different code.

1109
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: But only if people manipulate it to be different.

1110
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: So if you create AI that's based on this chunk

1111
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: of information, right, the AI only knows what you fed it.

1112
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

1113
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: So until you introduce other information, this AI is the

1114
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: same as this AI if it's always based on this

1115
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: particular chunk of information.

1116
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 5: But are they saying like AI is starting to be

1117
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 5: able to like are they saying that Hi, but you

1118
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: still somebody it feeds something it's feeding off of some.

1119
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: They're trying to create that version of AI.

1120
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 7: But the one we have now, the l elms are

1121
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 7: basically just data dumps.

1122
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: If you remove the access to information that we give it,

1123
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: AI is nothing, right, But.

1124
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 5: Are they trying to create it where it can just

1125
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 5: kind of Yes, idiots are.

1126
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: Trying to create it to where it doesn't need that.

1127
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: But in nineteen eighty nine, then the way they were thinking,

1128
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: you know, if you remove the information that it has

1129
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 2: access to, AI is nothing, and if you only restrict

1130
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: it to a certain chunk of information, any AI that

1131
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: you create is going to be a copy. It's not

1132
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: going to be there's no individual, there's no variety as

1133
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: opposed to kids. You have two kids, and I bet

1134
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: they're very different, you know, y'all have three and now

1135
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: they're all different. That's the way humans are. But AI

1136
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: and tech isn't necessarily like that.

1137
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 7: And the mergent and the way these individuals are in

1138
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 7: this show, Major and her partner, you know, they're they're

1139
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 7: basically cyborgs. They're both they're humans and roboty and.

1140
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 3: Even they are, at least they think they are.

1141
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Major don't even know. She was like,

1142
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 7: am I you know what?

1143
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: Was a kid? Right? So, and that's why she's questioned

1144
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: what she is.

1145
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 7: But the puppet Master is basically trying to become a

1146
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 7: robotic version of that, you know, and basically just reproduce.

1147
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 7: And everybody has their own synthient thoughts, their own individuality, right.

1148
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: He proposes merging with Matoku because it will almost be

1149
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: like having a child because it will be a combination

1150
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: of the two of them, and then they can spread

1151
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: their offspring throughout the internet, which is crazy. But right

1152
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: as they merge, Section six shows up and kills them both.

1153
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: But what did y'all think about the final scene where

1154
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: Botoau has put Matoku's conscience into another body.

1155
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: And it was that child, right, Yes, it was a child.

1156
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: Accomplished basically, And that's what it felt like. It felt

1157
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 4: like this was now the offspring of the merged beings.

1158
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 4: And the fact that he put her, the merged thought,

1159
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: the merged entity into a child's body kind of symbolized

1160
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: because the voice changed went from a baby's a childlike

1161
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 4: voice back to Major's voice. So, and I think whatever

1162
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: the guy's name is even kind of sense it. So

1163
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 4: he's like, so, y'all.

1164
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 3: Wan now, like you ain't going back.

1165
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 4: So I think ultimately it was them having merged. And

1166
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: that's why I said once I realized this was like

1167
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: a universe, because that's what it felt like. It felt

1168
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 4: like this was now the start of what puppet Master

1169
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: was trying to initially do.

1170
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, and does so and does that process start over?

1171
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 7: Because if she was a child, now she's back to

1172
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 7: being a child again, you know.

1173
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: And do they grow? I mean what does grow mean?

1174
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: It just means learning new information?

1175
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: Right, well, the physical body does the physical body or

1176
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: she just stuck?

1177
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 4: So I got the impression that she was just stuck.

1178
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't think they grow.

1179
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: They probably just get moved into a bigger body at

1180
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: some point, maybe.

1181
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: Kind of like Megan, yes, Rade, So how the hell

1182
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: are they gonna end up doing reproducing that?

1183
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 4: I mean they reproducing them in the net, right, So

1184
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: the idea is that you have all of these connected

1185
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 4: entities in different bodies.

1186
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 7: Cybercomputer, yeah, the Internet, because that was a dope ass

1187
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 7: shot where they kind of show the cities almost like

1188
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 7: a circuit board when you look at it from the top,

1189
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 7: and everything's kind of connected as well, but it's very cerebral.

1190
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna throw one more last part at you

1191
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: before we end this because I still don't have the

1192
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: answer for this.

1193
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: But did y'all notice when.

1194
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: When Matoku is put into the child's body and the

1195
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: video starts, it's like a grainy, choppy footage, right, and

1196
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 2: it's looking at the child's body, and then it clears

1197
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: up after that and it's like the regular clear footage.

1198
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 3: If you watch that scene when it.

1199
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: First starts, there's like these like a whole bunch of

1200
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 2: things connected to the child's body. The picture is flipped

1201
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: horizontally when it clears up, so it almost seems like

1202
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: there's two people that are looking at the child's body.

1203
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: Am I making sense?

1204
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: Like if you if you get bored, just go back

1205
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: and watch the last minute and a half of the movie.

1206
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: Two minutes of the movie when she first wakes up,

1207
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: or what we think is her waking up, The footage

1208
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: is kind of choppy, kind of like it was earlier

1209
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: when when the other one got ran over. The footage

1210
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: is choppy, but then when it clears up, it's like

1211
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: the image that she was looking at is reversed.

1212
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: So it's almost like we're.

1213
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Waking up and seeing one version of her and then

1214
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: the version changes, or it means that they put Matoku's

1215
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: conscience into two different bodies. I don't know what to

1216
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: take from the scene.

1217
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't recall.

1218
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds familiar. I do remember seeing something weird

1219
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 5: about that. Yeah, the way she woke up, that would

1220
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: be interesting because.

1221
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 7: Then that means that that couldn't imply that she's been

1222
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 7: replicated m hm, you know.

1223
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: Elsewhere and doesn't even know it yet.

1224
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's what they're saying, or

1225
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: if they're trying to push the idea that again, they're

1226
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: multiple consciences here. And I also ask y'all what it

1227
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: meant when she sees the angel.

1228
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: Before she gets killed.

1229
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 4: She saw an angel, but I thought that was supposed

1230
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 4: to be like the plane, So the helicopters in the

1231
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 4: sky that came down to kill them, So that's what

1232
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 4: That's what I thought. But considering the fact that they

1233
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 4: were created by people, right, there's a lot of weird

1234
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 4: spiritual context. Yeah, so it's almost like your creator sending

1235
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: people down to to come kill you.

1236
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: That's sense. Yeah, and the planes do look like birds.

1237
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: I never thought about the angel actually being a plane,

1238
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: but that does make sense when you're discussing the whole

1239
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: idea of death and how death makes them feel human

1240
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: because Papa Mastercoty wanted the angel came down, he died,

1241
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: and in that moment moment, he knew what it meant

1242
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: to be human. I never thought about that, but that

1243
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: does make sense.

1244
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: Knew what it meant to be human and also is

1245
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: now resurrected as this multiplied entity.

1246
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: Yep.

1247
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a lot of spiritual references through this.

1248
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 4: Too interesting.

1249
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad most of us enjoyed this.

1250
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,959
Speaker 2: But yeah, if y'all get bored, y'all should go watch

1251
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: some of the other ones, they're just as weird and

1252
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: they definitely explore the world even more.

1253
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: But I was happy to talk about this with y'all.

1254
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: Nay, thanks for coming through and talking some nerdy anime

1255
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: stuff with us.

1256
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 7: And yeah, you know, I definitely want to do a rewatch,

1257
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 7: and I think I want to go through the whole world.

1258
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 7: I think the idea of the puppet Master controlling different

1259
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 7: sort of things can be applied in a lot of

1260
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 7: different places, you know, all the metaphors and stuff that

1261
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 7: doesn't hear, the idea of the ghost in the ship. Oh,

1262
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 7: it can be applied in a multitude of different ways

1263
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 7: with humans and the internet and AI and.

1264
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Just just all over the place.

1265
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 7: It can get like really really really really cerebral and

1266
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 7: take you down, like you know, a rabbit hole of.

1267
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: The different meanings of everything. So yeah, yeah, it's it's

1268
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I hate, I hate. It's been thirty years, thirty years.

1269
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: To watch this. Yeah, this is one of the This

1270
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: is one of the better ones.

1271
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1272
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 7: I would have loved to have a lot of time

1273
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 7: to spend with it, to really think about it.

1274
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm more in depth.

1275
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: Y'all surprised that you hadn't seen it.

1276
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 4: Really yeah, I haven't really done like a lot of

1277
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 4: older anime. I will say that this animation style, like

1278
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 4: like perfect Blue Room. I like it because it reminds

1279
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 4: me of Gym in the Holograms, Like it's the same

1280
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: kind of like animation style that I remember watching as

1281
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 4: a kid in that. So yeah, no, I'm not. I

1282
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: haven't gone back and watched a lot of older anime.

1283
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 4: But this was This was good. This was what I

1284
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: wanted more like what I wanted to hear it to be.

1285
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: I get that, I get that.

1286
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to rewatch that one again. Watch this one.

1287
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: I definitely need to go back and rewatched it.

1288
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,959
Speaker 3: That ship is a masterpiece, not a story behind a cure.

1289
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: Was good.

1290
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: It was good, So he wasn't.

1291
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 3: Damn it was good.

1292
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 4: It just it just did a little too much for me.

1293
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: At the end, y'all killing me. I was trying to

1294
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: wrap this up. Andy'll go.

1295
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: All right, well, once again, thank y'all for listening. Keep

1296
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: these coming, man, like you know, well maybe.

1297
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 3: Said no bro never mind. Yeah, yeah, I don't know

1298
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: if he's seen this one.

1299
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: I assume he has. I still want to do perfectly,

1300
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: but we'll hope it wins one day. No, and they

1301
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: keep it never wins, and it's like one of my

1302
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: favorite animes. For this, yeah, they voted for them. Wait no,

1303
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. This is this is an anniversary, so they

1304
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 2: do vote for the anniversary. I think I think you put.

1305
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm used to watch it off the strength of your recommendation.

1306
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because yeah, it's one of my favorite.

1307
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 3: Hopefully one of these days we'll cover it up here.

1308
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Spike wouldn't hate that one because

1309
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: it's basically just like a regular ass movie, but it is.

1310
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: It's a lot easier to follow.

1311
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it has some really interesting ideas. But

1312
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: all right, we talked about Perfect Blue a little bit,

1313
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: so y'all know what to do.

1314
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 3: Try to make us do it.

1315
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, we will see y'all next time.

1316
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: Thank y'all for listening, and thank you once again Nate

1317
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: for coming through. And y'all have a going peace.