1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Dadd and Hip Hop podcast Welcome back. This is episode three. 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Kenneth Kenneth be in here with Rod and Fifo. What fellas? Uh, 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: nothing much man, Pretty much slow week this week in 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: uh in hip hop news except for the live we're 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: about to do with l Russell and uh stirring up 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: a lot of controversy you know about Lord of Wayne. 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: So if you guys are listening to this and did 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: not catch that live or the replay, make sure you 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: guys checked it out on the YouTube channel YouTube dot 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: com Slash dadd and hip Hop. We have Jay Red 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: coming through again joining us as a special guest because 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: senior Senior Fifo damn we'll be joining the company man live. 13 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: And to me, they are a necessary stop for anyone 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: who was interested in understanding what's happening at hip hop 15 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: joining us. We have Fifo from Dead End hip Hop, 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: non second applause. 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 4: Hey, look if you've gotten man that that was the 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 4: best intro I've ever had. Man, appreciate it, man. 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: So definitely make sure you guys go check that out. 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: We'll see when we make sure you guys have a 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: link to that to check out your boy on a 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: culture United, so you know we'll be tuning in that 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: that should be fun. We still got a pretty good 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: show put together, man, So you know, as we do 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: as we continue to experiment with this thing, we always 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: welcome everybody's feedback, so let us know what you guys 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: think or where we're can improve, where we can cut 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: on Patreon, which if you're listening to a clip of 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: this patreon dot com slash day a hip hop man, 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: you can catch us over there with a lot of 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: exclusive content. But we're going to get into the current 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: news about j Cole too short. I threw on something 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: a little extra about Travis and Kanye West. 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 5: We're gonna look back to. 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: With the with our old school segment Silka Shaka Uh 37 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: True dropping that dropped the album around this time as well, 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: and and. 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 5: Michael watts Man. 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: They had this memorial service today, so you know, we'll 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: put out a little looking for him, and we'll close 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: out the show with just maybe some projects that we've 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: been listening to, a new artist you guys should check out, 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a quick feature discussion. But yeah, 45 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting the show started with the 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: hip Hop Minute so last week and it continues this week, 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: J Cole has been the topic of discussion. Now we 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: have some numbers to go along with the album. We 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: see that he debuted number one on Billboard two hundred 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: with two hundred and eighty thousand first week sales. This 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: is J Cole's seventh consecutive number one album. One hundred 52 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: and sixty seven thousand came from streaming, with one hundred 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: and sixty nine point five on demand streams. That doesn't 54 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: seem right to me, but I'm gonna go with it. 55 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: One hundred and thirteen pure sales with eighty thousand and vinyl, 56 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: which is his biggest vinyl week ever. Yes, the largest 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: hip hop opening since Playbook Cardi Man, and he had 58 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: the trunk seale tour, selling CDs from the Honda Civic, 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: driving a lot of fan engagement. Of course, it's supposed 60 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: to be his final action. 61 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 5: So what do you guys think? Man, it's two hundred 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 5: and eighty K. 63 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Is that impressive in twenty twenty six given the market 64 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: hip hop mark? 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 5: Yeah? 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: I think what's even more impressive is that this is 67 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: seven number one albums. You know what I'm saying. I 68 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: think I think that shows the longevity and I think that. 69 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to say that J Cole's 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: numbers are boosted because that man had to earn that, 71 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like he is J Cole, 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: in my opinion, is the epitome of building your own 73 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: fan base and then just living off of your fan base, 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: right Like, I think he is the epitome of what 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: the independent rapper wants to be in twenty twenty six 76 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 4: and beyond. You know, obviously he started off with a 77 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: deal bot siding the j but at some point, you know, 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 4: the man we're independent and started doing his own thing. 79 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 4: So to me, yes, this is definitely ken. This is 80 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 4: I don't want to say eye opening, but I want 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 4: to say that this is the product of hard work, 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: right like, I don't feel that J Cole, for the 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: majority of those number one albums, had quote unquote a 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: machine behind him. This is just the product of him 85 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 4: building up his fan base and monetizing and catering to 86 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: that fan base first and foremost, you know, with the 87 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: selling the CDs out of the trunk, the dollar and 88 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: the dream towards like all of that type of stuff. Man, 89 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: I think J Cole, out of anybody in hip hop, 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 4: I think he is in tune with his fan base 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: and the numbers are just a byproduct of that. But 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 4: but it is it is impressive, ken like, like, let's 93 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: be honest, like this is impressive. 94 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: These numbers are impressive. Yeah, I don't even know what 95 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: numbers are impressed these days. I do remember somebody saying 96 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: that that was an impressive number in this day and age, 97 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 2: and and yeah, man, it's not surprising. 98 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: It's J Cole at the end of the day. 99 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: Man, he you know, whether whether you want to believe 100 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: it or not or have Vision's. 101 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 3: History, he was a big part of the Big Three. 102 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 3: So he's gonna do numbers. You know. 103 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: He has a you know, has like part of the underground, 104 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: part of the ND mainstream people know J cole name. 105 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: So like it's not it's it's it's to be expected 106 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: in my opinion. And plus I think the slightly little 107 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: promo he did before you Know It it was it 108 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: was effective, and the promo afterwards was effect when he 109 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: did the trunk sales and all of that, like all 110 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: of that stuff played in his favorite whether people like 111 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: the album or not, you know, So he was going 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: to get the numbers, I think, And I think even 113 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: with Drake, right, he's going to get numbers if he 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: drops because people want to know what he's going to say, 115 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Now, the main thing is just 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: like if he can keep that momentum, which is what 117 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm seeing is starting to be an issue. 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: Well, hey, you brought up the d worst, you gotta 119 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: go there. 120 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: I think I think it'll be an issue for Drake. 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be as big of an issue 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 4: for Call now obviously, Like typically numbers, regardless of what 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: era you're in, they drop off week after week, right 124 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 4: Like some may stay strong, some may not have a 125 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: big of a dip, but typically your first week numbers 126 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 4: are going to be your best week numbers for Drake, 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: I think, and we've seen it in the past where 128 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: the numbers just drastically drop off. And I think that 129 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 4: that's my product of the commercialism in the machine behind. 130 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 4: And I think the situation is that everybody wants to 131 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: kind of check out, and it wants to check it out. 132 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: If the music isn't up to par, people ain't gonna 133 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: tap in no more. 134 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: But I think it's different with Cole because people are 135 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 4: die hard and can you know, I was thinking I 136 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 4: was thinking today, right. I think we're living in an 137 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: era of division. I think when you look at us 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: socio politically, like is the vision when you look at J. 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 4: Cole's album and what people are saying bad Bunnies have 140 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: type performance like we are a nation divided now in everything, 141 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: And I think that that's the same thing with Cole. 142 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: I think with Cole, though, people either love it or 143 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: hate it, but Cole's fan base is loyal, and I 144 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: think that his number is going to represent that. Is 145 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 4: he gonna have a drop off, of course, like any 146 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: other artist, but I think he'll be able to maintain that, 147 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: you know, the consistency of people bumping his album, you know, 148 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: for longer than most, so you know, again, it goes 149 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: back to Cole's building his fan base and then just 150 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: being able to be tapped into it. 151 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 5: It's definitely holding up for a lot of J. Cole fans. 152 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: I think for some of them and for others it's 153 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: probably going to get better as they have more and 154 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: more time to sit with it. The division thing, You're 155 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: absolutely the right in regards to that, because one of 156 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: the things I've been seeing a lot is that people 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: have been really just bashing j Cole and it feels 158 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: like it's the end thing to do now. And you 159 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: know what fuck it I said. You know, when we 160 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: were reviewing and making the content we were making about 161 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: these artists, it was like we weren't doing it because 162 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: it was a trend or end thing to do. 163 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 5: It really was purely, honestly us and how we felt 164 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 5: at the time. 165 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know if people just caught onto that 166 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: wave and decided that, you know, they's gonna do similar things, 167 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: or if that's just something that took place, you know, 168 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: over time. But it is interesting seeing like a lot 169 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: of the conversation around Cole, it's similar to things that 170 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: have been saying on our program for quite some time now. 171 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: But but I do think so I think when you 172 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: when we have album sales, and I think with Cold 173 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: album sales are important because of where he stands in 174 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: hip hop in terms of being on the what is 175 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: present day mainstream, and it helps contextual contextualize his popularity 176 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: among his peers. Where you when you get to independent 177 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: artists and underground artists, it's a little bit different, you know, 178 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the measurement measurements a little bit different. The KPIs are 179 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: different when it comes to that, but this is the 180 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: measurement stick we have when it comes to guys. You know, 181 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, in this field. So what I did 182 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: was so I think to Eddie in this climate is 183 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: pretty good. Uh So what I did was I went 184 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: and got J Cole's first week album sales by comparison. 185 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with Cole World in only eleven 186 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: brand new artists first week out, I mean brand new artists. 187 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 5: Mits Tape Buzz signed with Jay. 188 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: Two hundred and eighteen thousand, Born Center two years later 189 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, two hundred and ninety seven thousand, twenty fourteen, 190 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy one thousand, two thousand and sixteen 191 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: four y eys only four hundred and ninety two thousand 192 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: and in twenty eighteen, And I think this is when 193 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: you start to see streaming kind of gain traction. KOD 194 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety seven the off season two hundred 195 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: and eighty two. 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 5: And of course right now there were numbers we have too, eighty. 197 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: So that's interesting. 198 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: He had a good three album. 199 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: Run between twenty and fourteen twenty eighteen, but he's right 200 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: in line with his numbers for the. 201 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: Most part, which is interesting because I would expected those 202 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: earlier numbers to be higher in that age, so but 203 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: he still was kind of new, I guess, and he 204 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: hadn't caught that that J Cole buzz quite yet. So yeah, 205 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: that's interesting that that those numbers line up that way. 206 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 4: Well, the first what did you gotta think, bro, Like 207 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: he was still in the process of building. 208 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: That's the reason. 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 4: You know, like KOD really got a big NBA push, 210 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: which is why why it was like half a million 211 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: like that that album was plastered all over the NBA playoffs, 212 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And then the one before that, 213 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 4: you said, for Your Eyes Only was like for for 214 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 4: something three something. 215 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, four year Eys Only was four hundred and ninety two. 216 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think that's the height of j cole, like, 217 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: like he had all of the backing of the mixtape days, 218 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: the cod signed by Jay like everything, Like I think 219 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: that was like the prime of where Jay Cole was. 220 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: And they said that just real quick, the his peak 221 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: four Your Eys Only in KOD were inflated by streaming units. 222 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: So I don't know how they were doing the calculations then, 223 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: because they've been there have been some adjustments since that time, 224 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: so that's probably why the numbers came down. But so 225 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: that's why you probably have such a huge spike. But yeah, 226 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like you, guys, I think this was 227 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: interesting looking at the numbers for him historical. 228 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the streaming numbers, right, So I don't know 229 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: how the licensing works in terms of streaming and boosting. 230 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 4: But kod was dropped on April twenty twenty eighteen, and 231 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: we know that that's kind of sort of when the 232 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 4: playoffs start, right, like is late April going into May, 233 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: and then you know the finals are early June. So 234 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: the NBA really boosted that album. 235 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 5: All right, So but yeah, good week for j cole Man. 236 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: These the ticket sales for his show is crazy, starting 237 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: at two fifty I. 238 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 5: Think, yeah, man, man, bro, he's. 239 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: Ticket too fifty bro brod Right, you know what's crazy. 240 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: So when I when I saw him post the tour dates, 241 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: bro the so it's it's a it's a world tour. 242 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 4: He's starting July eleventh, and he isn't finishing till like 243 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 4: middle of December. He don't have more than three days off. 244 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: I think there's one stretch towards the end when he 245 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: first gets to Europe, he has like a four day 246 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: all stretch, but that's it every like the long before that, 247 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 4: the longest days off he has his three so like 248 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 4: a lot of times he's doing back to back shows 249 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 4: are one day off then two days off. I'm like, yo, 250 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 4: like a ken he's about the gross crazy bread on 251 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 4: this one. 252 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: Bro. Yeah, I saw the course of fays By Market too. 253 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: Hm. 254 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: I just said it flush ways by of course the 255 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: city and the market, but they're high. 256 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty hoigh bro, Like dangn that's crazy. Like, 257 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: are tickets going on that pressure right now? 258 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: Yeah? 259 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: Wife he was talking about. 260 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 4: Or I think it was either my wife or Spike, 261 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 4: but Spike man have said that my wife man said 262 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: as an R and B artist, excuse me, that's going 263 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: on tour now and there I can't remember the name, 264 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: you know, I'm bad with names. But their tickets are 265 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: like starting at three fifty there we go, yep, Bruno 266 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: Mars bro starting nose bleed. 267 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: That's crazy, bro, Like that's why I remember Mike used 268 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: to complain about tickets for you know, bigger acts or whatever. 269 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what you're talking about you can get 270 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: j Z tickets for like ninety nine dollars something lower 271 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: than that, depending on where you want to sit. But 272 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: y'all saying it's starting at that parce now, yeah, that's 273 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: just like haircuts. Yeah, yeah, the inflation on haircuts has 274 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: gone crazy, bro, And these ticket prices are up there too, Bro. 275 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: It don't make no sense to me. Wait, are sure 276 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: this isn't like reseale. 277 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 5: Now that that's the same thing. 278 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: Bro, this can't be Ticketmaster. 279 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 5: Bro. 280 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: Wife, he sent me the same shit last night. Oh 281 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: that's crazy. This is is this? Man? Tickets are this 282 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: much like? How Bro? 283 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: Like? 284 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: How like? 285 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: At least I'm really tapped out of like how much 286 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: ticket persons are going for these days that haven't been 287 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: a concert probably about a year or so. 288 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: It's been a minute for me. But I guess the 289 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: artist that I'm more into nowadays not at that level 290 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 4: that like, you know, well, yeah, I was looking like 291 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: like Larry some Larry June concerts like last year or 292 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: the year before you know, it was started like one 293 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: fifty currencies and the hundreds, you know what I'm saying, 294 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: So like people are really fuck with. 295 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: They not selling for No. Two three hundred dollars. 296 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 5: Rod, I'm on Ticketmaster right now and that's yeah. 297 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: Now I'm seeing platinum price of a six hundred. I'm 298 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: trying to use sales like they got. 299 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you start getting to those platinum like platinum. 300 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. See see I'm seeing. 301 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: Something man for like one of four one five and 302 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: this is on seat Geek. 303 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: So I think people probably bought these up. Man, they 304 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: probably boot because all. 305 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: Those official ticket sales or ticket Masters or cause you know, 306 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: Ticketmaster has also has. 307 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: The pretty resale a resale thing too. 308 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, so where what the photo? I said, you came. 309 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: From Kyle twelve Kyle and oh shit, this is there's 310 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: a que going on, so I think the number the 311 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: numbers might be running up. So I don't know what's 312 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: going on, bro, But yeah, it's it's it's a big thing. 313 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, everything is saying his ticket prices are pretty 314 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: damn high. 315 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: But yeah, twelve Kyle sent that because his kids sent 316 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 5: it to. 317 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: Him and then he had sent that to us. 318 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: So I think that it's expensive. 319 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: Head, I think it's resale because I'm seeing something that 320 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: like one O four sixty six, I think that's resale. 321 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: You gotta be coupled with these ticket sites. Man, they'll 322 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: trick you. 323 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: I won't going to see him anyway, but yeah. 324 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, they'll tricky, man, 325 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: because these resellers, man, they'll they'll get you. 326 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm seeing I'm seeing. Wait, okay, so prices 327 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: started at two fifteen. 328 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: So uh let's see, so State Farm, I'm saying like 329 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: one twenty three. 330 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's resale. Yeah, that'll be crazy. 331 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: If that man tickets was two hundred something starting, got'll 332 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: be crazy. 333 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, none of that makes sense, so yeah. 334 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah it isn't the one hundreds. 335 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: That makes more sense. That's still how to be in 336 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: the nosebleeds. But still, you know, that's that's that's that 337 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: makes way more sense. 338 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: It makes a little bit more sense because I'm about 339 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: to say, like, what this man crazy? 340 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing when I when I 341 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: saw them talking about it and that asports chat, I 342 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: was like, what the hell? But but anyway, so yeah, 343 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the latest on Jake Cool Jake Cole. You know, 344 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: the fall off has been one of the biggest news 345 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: stories of twenty twenty six so. 346 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 5: Far, and controversial as well. 347 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: In addition to politics, there's more Nicki Minaj stuff. 348 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 5: We're not talking about her. 349 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: However, Too Short though, jumped out there and he had 350 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: some things to say because you got. 351 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 5: Nicky and Nellie. 352 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Doing their whole maga thing, and he jumped out and 353 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: said that hip hop should limit politics to the ballot box. 354 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 5: Keep your political views to yourself. 355 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: He clarified later that no Americans should stay out of politics, 356 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: especially in twenty twenty six. And of course we had 357 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: Ludacris backing out of the Rock the Country festival. We 358 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of we talked about that a little bit on 359 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: is the Mice still on about a week or so 360 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: ago with Mike and Spike if you guys want to 361 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: hear a little bit of that conversation after that whole 362 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: thing that went down. So it seemed like Too Short 363 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: did walk it back, but there was somebody else that had. 364 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: I mean, we have the older Russell conversation going on anyway, 365 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: so there's a whole conversation about artists not saying anything 366 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: with their music and Too Shore, who's not a political 367 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: rapper himself, making this statement. So any thoughts on you 368 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: know what he said here, including and walking it back? 369 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 5: Are we at a point where, like when we grew up. 370 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: The politics and things that were going on were really intense, 371 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: and rappers really used the moment to speak on certain things, 372 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, with Chuck b and Ice Cube, et cetera, 373 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: et cetera. 374 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. 375 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: You got rappers like Chuck d Ice Cube that I 376 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, even killing Mike right, that are 377 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: they They are. 378 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: Tapped into the political space. 379 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 5: So I'm glad he kind of. 380 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: Somewhat walked that back a little bit, because you know, 381 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: you do have some people that their legs are powered 382 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: by that political things and things that's happening. 383 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: In the world. 384 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: So you can't you can't you can't apply that to 385 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: every rapper, you know what I'm saying. 386 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 3: Some rappers are absolutely about that smoke, like Chuck. 387 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: Me being one of the earlier examples that I've ever 388 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 2: had that was about that smoke, like like talking about Reagan. 389 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody, you know what I'm saying, Like, like 390 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: y'all think you need I think it's important for the 391 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: culture to tap into those spaces. 392 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: Of politics with their music. I mean we've even. 393 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: Told you know, rappers like yeah, man, you know when 394 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: we were talking to cliffs off Forces that I remember 395 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: telling them like, man, y'all, should you know, especially as 396 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: younger cats kind of you know, touch on different things 397 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: that's happening, like the killings and things like that. It's 398 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: cool what y'all do, But you know, y'all, I feel 399 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: what you feel. Like y'all go a little deeper with 400 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Is it mandatory? 401 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: No, of course not. You know what I'm saying. 402 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: Even myself, I don't like always talking about politics, but 403 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: it comes a point in time where okay, maybe I 404 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: should say something, and then you just never know who 405 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: that may influence and who that might touch, you know 406 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So, you know, especially being such, you know, 407 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: people admire you and stuff that you can have some 408 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: major impact in certain situations. 409 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 5: So so yeah, I don't know. 410 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 2: I don't know if I fully agree with him just 411 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: saying rapper should touch on politics in music or just 412 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: in general, Like I don't think that applies to everybody. 413 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's such a blanket statement, you know what 414 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like hip hop is multi faceted, and we 415 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 4: got ship that is just for the club, just for 416 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 4: the whip you know, we got stuff that's just like 417 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 4: you know, couples based, you know, like like you know, 418 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: like we got we got lovey dovey like like there 419 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: there's gangster ship, there's grimy ship, there's political joints. So 420 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 4: to me to say that rappers should not, I think 421 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: that think I think that's that's that's a bad take. 422 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 4: I think he was right for walking it back a 423 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: little bit, but I also think that it's wrong to 424 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: be on the opposite side of that and be like 425 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 4: all rappers should say something. You know what I'm saying, 426 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 4: I rapper should say something, but I do. This is 427 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 4: this is where it's a slippery slope, right because bringing 428 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: up the D word again, Drake, I feel like, you know, 429 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: he's been people have said things about him not saying 430 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 4: anything right and him being part of the culture. I 431 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 4: think it's people's own personal prerogatives, especially if it's not 432 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: directed to them, right, Like Lil Wayne is somebody that 433 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 4: hasn't really spoken a lot politically, but he got the 434 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 4: uh off of that Georgia Georgia Bush. He got that 435 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 4: like one other song out of his entire catalog. He's 436 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 4: may got thousands of songs. But I think that at 437 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: that moment it was appropriate for him obviously that's what 438 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 4: he felt on his heart. So I feel I feel 439 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 4: like this. I feel like we can't box creatives in 440 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: if that's how they feel, that's how they feel, they 441 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: don't feel like that, Like like we can't put the 442 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 4: pressure on them to do and say, you know, like 443 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 4: if somebody wants to step into that arena and be 444 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 4: the leader of that by all means, but that's not. 445 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: Everybody's prerogative to to to to spearhead that, you know 446 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like because with that, you know, we 447 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: were talking last night out that in sports about being 448 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: like the face of the NBA. 449 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 4: Who wants to be the face of that right now? 450 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, especially in this climate with 451 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 4: social media where everybody has something to say, Like you 452 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: could be in your mind doing the best thing for 453 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 4: your culture, for your community by speaking out and doing things, 454 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden you got this other 455 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: faction that just bringing you down and basically just gonna 456 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: tell you to shut up and rap, you know what 457 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 4: I'm saying. So everybody don't want to deal with that, man, Like, 458 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 4: so I don't put that on this on anybody. 459 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why Too Short felt the need to 460 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: even say that. It was so weird of a statement. 461 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: So you know, man, trust me, it's too Short as 462 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: the last person we want to hear politics from. But 463 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: he may have something interesting to say, but nobody's gonna 464 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: say I'm serious. So anyway, yeah, go ahead, I was. 465 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: Gonna say real quick. I think I think he had 466 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: decent intention. Like I guess he was just saying, like, 467 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: to protect yourself as an artist, maybe not get into politics, 468 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: because you see the stuff that's happening with Nicki Minaj, 469 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: you see the stuff that's happening. 470 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: With different people. 471 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: So I think he was just talking from solely from 472 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: the perspective of like, yo, if you want to keep 473 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: your name out of stuff, and you want to stay 474 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: out of trouble, you probably shouldn't talk about politics. Which 475 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: he's not wrong to a cent because everybody's not going 476 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: to agree with your political views. 477 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: I mean, we know that. Just you're not even supposed 478 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: to bring up things in the workplace because of that, right, 479 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: it's a touchy subject in different areas of work, you 480 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 481 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: And so I think with him, he's looking at it 482 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: in the sense of like how people say don't bring 483 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: up politics in the workspace, So he's probably saying don't 484 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: bring up politics in the wrap space or whatever. So 485 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: I get what he's saying to a certain extent about 486 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, if you don't want to like possibly ruin 487 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: your career or be under under attack, you probably should 488 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: not talk about politics. So I get it from that standpoint. 489 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: But again, I think some people are fully ready for 490 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: that type of smoke. 491 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, some people are. I think some people are. 492 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 3: I think. 493 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 4: I don't think you should casually do it. 494 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 3: You know. 495 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 4: I think that if you are going to and even 496 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: if you don't make yourself a political rapper, but if 497 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 4: you're going to speak on something, definitely be informed. Definitely 498 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: make it be heartfelt. Don't just hit the headlines and 499 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: then just put that in the wrap and be like, oh, yeah, 500 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: you know, I'm fighting for us, Like nah, really be 501 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 4: about that, right, Like, be genuine if that's what you're 502 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 4: gonna do. Because all of Killer Mike's music isn't necessarily 503 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 4: about political you know what I'm saying, But when he 504 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: raps about it, you know where it's coming from. You 505 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying something that he stands, a something 506 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 4: he believes on, and it's something that he's he puts 507 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: actions behind. And my other thing is this, Okay, we 508 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 4: could get off of this after this, right. 509 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: Like somebody that I felt with that never really spoke politics, 510 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: but spoke or showed actions on changing their. 511 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 4: Community was Nipsey. He ain't never rapped about you know this, 512 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: that and the third and you know, outside of fuck 513 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: Donald Trump, I feel him, you know whatever, But outside 514 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 4: of that, bro, like he put action behind his words, 515 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: just like Killer Mike does. Like Killer Mike is an activist. 516 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 4: Killer Mike will speak in front of politicians, you know, 517 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 4: in front of community, in front of so to me, 518 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 4: if you're gonna do it, just have the action behind it, man, 519 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 4: don't just leave it to you know it. Again, if 520 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: it's like a one off light like Lil Wayne, that's cool. 521 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 4: You know, this is what's on your heart, cool, put 522 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: it out there. But if you're gonna be about it, 523 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: then be about it, you know. 524 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 5: So that that's just my two yeah and too short. 525 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 5: You know. 526 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: He didn't deal much into politics, but on the Short 527 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: but Funky album, he did have a song called the Ghetto, 528 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: which kind of chronicled and talked about stuff. So you know, 529 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: he's spoken about things that were happening. In his issue, 530 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: he just endeved into politics. He kind of ventured away 531 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: from that. But you know he has he you know, 532 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: he's had some stuff to say. Last thing I got 533 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: man put a hip hop minute. You know, I know 534 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: he's a very much maligant rapper. You know, he recently 535 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: put out an apology in Wall Street Journal. 536 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: I think. 537 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: But uh, but there's news that Kanye West and Travis 538 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: Scott have an album on the way. And uh, this 539 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: was communicated by having in an interview with Complex. He 540 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: said a couple of songs that he has have made 541 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the cut so far. Travis Scott was in a I 542 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: think during a concert and he said they may have 543 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: something special soon. 544 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: Uh. 545 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: Travis Scott brought Yay out in Japan, so they definitely 546 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: have worked together. Any interest and Yay Scott album. 547 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. 548 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: I just I'm so off of yet Kanye at this point, man, 549 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: like it. 550 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: Would have to and I think I brought I brought 551 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: this up somewhere said to somewhere else or some or 552 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: another show that we were on or doing. 553 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: Like at this point, he has a steep Hill decline 554 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: if that even even if that hill is even there 555 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: for me, like it has to I don't know, man, 556 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: it has to be some crazy revigorated type of situation. 557 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: I don't even I don't even care, Like He's not 558 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: a draw for me anymore. 559 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 5: So even with Travis Scott. 560 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: When you say even with Travis Scott, I don't even 561 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: know what that means, like because like I'm not assume 562 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: as Travis Scott fan. 563 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That means nothing to me. 564 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: So it like that. 565 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: But my point is this kid, even if it was 566 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 2: somebody that I really like, right, Like let's say, like 567 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm ma kanmi as somebody right which is God went 568 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: on the way we just found out, which is super dope, 569 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: I just don't care, Like I don't know what what 570 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: what a Kanye mock homed thing would even sound like, 571 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, so Kanye, isn't that 572 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: draw whereas one before, Like oh snap, you know what 573 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying, he got Kanye West. 574 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 575 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: I don't have It's not I don't have that anymore 576 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: with Kanye. Kanye, Kanye's name holds no weight for me anymore. 577 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 4: I'm still curious, especially with collaborations. I don't think you're 578 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: wrong modest, Like Kanye is not the draw he once 579 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: was musically, you know, like before it was kind of like, 580 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 4: oh you got a Kanye beat or you know, Kanye 581 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 4: came out to be you know, pandemonium. You know, he's 582 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: gonna go plat him in three days like it's you know, 583 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 4: like it was it was. 584 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: It was a different time. This version of Kanye. I'm 585 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: more so interested to see the collaborations because when he's dolo, 586 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like he just hasn't hit like that, 587 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: you know, in recent time with the Travis, with the 588 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: addition of Travis Scott, I am interested to see where 589 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: it goes, mainly because the web that is interwoven in 590 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: this thing, right Like Pusha used to be Kanye's like guy, 591 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: and you know Pusha said, you know. 592 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: He do anything for Kanye. 593 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: He had lines about Travis, and then now Kanye got 594 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 4: Travis collab album. So I don't know, like I'm interested 595 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 4: in the in the threads that are there that could 596 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 4: you know, are are we gonna get Travis saying something 597 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 4: about pushing on a Kanye joint? 598 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: Like you know, like, so does push your response. 599 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 4: So for me, I'm more so interested in all of 600 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 4: the ancillary things versus what it actually is. So it's like, 601 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: what can what can happen from this versus the music itself. 602 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 4: I'm more interested in the outside than the music, So 603 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 4: to that degree, I am interested. But I'm with you, 604 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 4: it's not the draw anymore. 605 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't have to spend a lot of time. 606 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: I thought Travis Scott was the interesting thing here. Kanye 607 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: continues to try to claw his way back into people's 608 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: good graces. Am I or will I be listening to 609 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: this first day out? Absolutely not, Second day out? No, 610 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: a week later, three weeks later, probably not. But I 611 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: will be watching the commentary around it to see what 612 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: people saying. 613 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 5: And I'm not saying I won't even listen to it. 614 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: I probably will eventually listen to it at some point, 615 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: but I definitely, like UFIFO, am interested. 616 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 5: In the things around it more than the album itself. 617 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: So well, that's what that's why, you know, I know, 618 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: bringing Kanye up, and he's done a lot of harm 619 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: to the black community with his antics and things he said, 620 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm with you, Roder, he has a 621 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: lot of work to do to repair that, and I 622 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: don't know what he could do to to do that 623 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: to get to erase the harm he's done or but 624 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, uh. But yeah, I just was 625 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: kind of checking the temperature on that. 626 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: For me as a harm real quick. I'm sorry. Yeah, 627 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: it goes deeper. 628 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: For it's just the quality of music this is in there, 629 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: Like sometimes I could I could overlook certain things that 630 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: he's doing personally in his life if the music is good. 631 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: But it don't even he don't even have that anymore. 632 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: To me, music just doesn't sound. Yeah, if we want 633 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: to keep that fact, yeah, if we just want to 634 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: keep it on an artist level, I. 635 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: Still haven't No, Bully is Bully the one this on 636 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: the way It was the one after that that he 637 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: dropped the second Vultures. 638 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: He had Vultures and then he had Bully. 639 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: I still haven't listened to Vultures too, But uh, anyway, man, 640 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's been a hip hop minute. If you 641 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: guys are watching this on YouTube, you can catch the 642 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: full podcast in its entirety on Patreon, Patreon, dot com, 643 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: slash dead. 644 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 5: And hip Hop. With that, you will get the rest. 645 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: Of the show where we are going to talk about 646 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: some old school joints. Rod, you're gonna take it back, 647 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: take it back to the old school.