1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: So people think the government has too much power, but 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: it really kind of depends on if it's the government 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: they like. Let's make some sense of it. It's kind 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: of a Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's in this afternoon 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: for Hammer and Nigel Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the Circle in for Casey and by the way, coming 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: up here in just a little bit, we're gonna take 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: a huge, huge show risk. We're going to turn the 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: show over to you, the listeners. We're going to get 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: some of your phone calls on how you're feeling about redistricting. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I want to know does it matter to you, Is 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: it something that's a priority to you. If it is 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: a priority for you, how do you feel about it 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: one way or another. That that'd be interesting to try 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: to get a sort of a gauge because the polling, 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: the public polling is overwhelmingly against it. But also recognize 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: it may not be an exact reflection of our audience. 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: So we'll tee that up for you here in just 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: a little bit and take your phone calls. But first 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: new poll out, this was Gallup, pretty well known respected 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: polling institution, says that the Hill by the Way has 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: the full article on this. The sixty two percent, that's 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: a record number of Americans say the federal government has 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: too much power, the highest since the tracking began in 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and one. That is up dramatically, ethan from 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: just last year, where fifty one percent said they believe 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: the federal government. 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: Had too much power. 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: Now I'm floored that as of last year it just 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: fifty one percent of the public but the federal government 31 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: had too much power. What's interesting about this, though, is 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: how the percentages change based on who's in office. 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 2: Well, that tells all the story there. 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: So among Democrats, for example, last year, it was twenty 35 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: five percent. This year it's sixty six percent. Among Republicans, 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: last year it was seventy five percent, this year fifty 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: eight percent. 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Fascinating. 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: And this is the problem with everything, is that there 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: are so many people in this country. Look, there are 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: some people who and a lot of people and many 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: people hearing our voice right now who blatantly get it. 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: The federal government is evil. Government by design is a 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: never ending, essentially game of pac Man that just eats 45 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: everything it comes into contact with. The Government itself, by 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: its inception, is awful, and it won't matter which one 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: of these parties is in power, they're going to take 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: as much from you as they can and can get 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: away with. But there are so many people ethan in 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: this country who's still, for whatever reason, despite getting screwed 51 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: by both of these parties over and over and over again, 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: they still see to some sort of white hat black 53 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: hat thing where it's just who's in power, not what 54 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: they're actually doing. 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: The way that I see it, this is a byproduct 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: of treating politics as team sport, which is really something 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: that only evolved in the twenty first century. Started with 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: the two thousand year two thousand election George Bush versus 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: Al Gore, and it was the first time that most 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: news stations began coloring their electoral map with red and blue. 61 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: Red for Republicans and blue for Democrat. It didn't really 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: exist in the nineteen nineties before, when they would put 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: election maps up on the screen, it was kind of 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: a free for all what the color scheme was. And 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: this was just a way of introducing a visual shorthand 66 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: in journalism to help people understand what was going on 67 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: in elections and putting things in terms that people are 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: able to understand. Is ordinarily a very commendable task. However, 69 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: the byproduct of those colors has now put into people's 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: minds that politics is a team sport. It's red team 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: versus blue team. And just like in sports, you always 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: cheer for your team right or wrong, but that's not 73 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: beneficial in politics. Well, you can do that in sports, 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: you can't do that in politics. 75 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: Well, and so it comes back to we talk about 76 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: this all the time on the local level, and obviously 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: other than outside the city in Indianapolis, the state is 78 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: almost exclusively run by Republicans, So we spend, especially at 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: a state level time talking about Republicans. And it comes 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: back to this argument on something like redistricting. What do 81 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: you think this is going to get you? Why are 82 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: you cheering for this? They can't win it by governing, 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: so now they're just going to change the map so 84 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: that they can win with bad behavior. And because so 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: many people just instinctively say red good, Blue bad, when 86 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the reality is blue is bad. Nobody's saying blue's good. 87 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: We're also telling you red's bad. And you shouldn't just 88 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: hand a freebie over to red because red screws you 89 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: every time as well. 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly, look at the way that it's infected 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: our mindset when it's come even to local politics. Now 92 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: it's red states and blue states, and yeah, we're a 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: red state, but we want to be an even deeper 94 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: red state. Those terms just didn't exist pre twenty first century. 95 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: That mode of thinking didn't exist. So how do you 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: break it? 97 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: That's the thing that I struggle with, is how do 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: you got to take politics out of mainstream give it 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: back to the province of the nerds. 100 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: It was much better. See I used to cheer when 101 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: I was a teenager, like, oh yeah, of course. It 102 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: just seemed like common sense. Of course, everybody needs to 103 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: be participating in this great American system that we have. 104 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: More people should be participating in democracy. And then politics 105 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: became overwhelming and it infected every aspect of life, cultural conversations. 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: It's on the Twitter sphere, on your Facebook. You can't 107 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: get away from it. And more importantly, you got a 108 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: lot of people who have low investment in politics, but 109 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: their vote counts the same as yours. We need to 110 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: take this out of the mainstream and give it back 111 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: to the nerds. 112 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've struggled with this the whole time I've 113 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: been here, which is how do you break the stranglehold. 114 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: And the stranglehold is true for both parties. I mean, 115 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's nothing about Indianapolis where you would say, wow, 116 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: that's going so well that we want more of that. 117 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: And yet Democrats keep winning the prosecutors race, the mayor's race, 118 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: they control the city council. Extrapolate it out to state, 119 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, statewide, there's nothing the Republicans are doing that 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: you would say, Man, this is so good, give us 121 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: more of that. I can't wait to go vote for that. 122 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: And yet they have so trained these people who choose 123 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: to participate that you got to pick one of these sides. 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: I've struggled with this for nine years. I am at 125 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: the point now where I'm not sure. I'm not sure 126 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: you can break this system anymore. I think we're just 127 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuck with it now. 128 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: Now, Rob, Indianapolis isn't a total abject failure. Didn't you see? 129 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: DPW announced that they finished their dig Indie project that 130 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: they've been working on for the better part of the 131 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: last decade less something like twenty miles of new tunnels 132 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: spanning across the city. Oh yeah, so we did something. Yeah, 133 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: you did something. You did something.