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Speaker 1: Why from Ball Hartliner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: If you want to be angry with President Trump for

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Speaker 3: extending the subsidies of Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: You're more than welcome to. But did you not know

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Speaker 2: what you were voting for?

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Speaker 3: Did you not understand what was happening all around you?

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Speaker 2: This was the only thing that was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: And I know a guy on radio who told you

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Speaker 3: exactly that. It was me, of course, Tony Katz. Tony

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Speaker 3: Katz today, guys, good to be here. Trump was going

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Speaker 3: to extend the subsidies on Obamacare, not that I wanted that.

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Speaker 3: I want Obamacare gone. Democrats couldn't have him steal their thunder,

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Speaker 3: so they decided to engage a shutdown so they can

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Speaker 3: make the issue really theirs. And then they thought they could,

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Speaker 3: you know, just strong arm Republicans into, you know, giving

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we give all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: And it didn't happen, and Democrats are indeed infuriated about it.

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Speaker 2: But of course Trump was going to extend the subsidies.

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Speaker 3: The question is what he's trying to do now is

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Speaker 3: this different than extending the subsidies.

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Speaker 2: The answer is no and yes. Talking to Ed Marcy

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Speaker 3: Dot com, let me now get into maybe one of

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Speaker 3: the bigger stories of the day right here, and this

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Speaker 3: has to do with Obamacare, where you've got the story

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Speaker 3: over at hotair dot com through Axios, Trump beats Schumer

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Speaker 3: and Jeffries to the punch on an ACA subsidy plan.

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Speaker 3: Trump's philosophy is, why does the money go to hospitals

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Speaker 3: and other groups. Why don't we give the money directly

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Speaker 3: back to the people, and therefore we can bring down

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Speaker 3: the cost of this ridiculous Obamacare. Now I'm no fan

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Speaker 3: to see it ripped out by the route. But I

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Speaker 3: did say on this program repeatedly.

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Speaker 2: That the reason that the political left.

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Speaker 3: Was trying so hard, so incredibly hard, when it came

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Speaker 3: to pushing for these subsidies, we have to have a vote,

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Speaker 3: we have to extend the subsidies, is that Trump was

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Speaker 3: they did not want to lose the subject. They didn't

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Speaker 3: want to have Trump be the reason that healthcare quote

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Speaker 3: unquote was saved in America. They couldn't lose this thing

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Speaker 3: that is their juggernaut. You see this story, you go

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Speaker 3: through this plan. What is the plan? What is the

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the plan itself is a two year extension,

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Speaker 4: which I find a little puzzling. I would have gone

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Speaker 4: is one of the issues that we're dealing with right now.

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Speaker 4: But it's a two year extension of the current subsidies,

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Speaker 4: but with more eligibility restrictions based on income levels, and

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Speaker 4: that the money doesn't go to the insurance companies directly,

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Speaker 4: but it goes to health savings accounts that allows the

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Speaker 4: people who receive them to either use them to pay

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Speaker 4: for insurance plans on the Obamacare exchanges or for other purposes.

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Speaker 4: They can get you know, lower rate healthcare plans and

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Speaker 4: use them for copays and that sort of thing. I

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Speaker 4: don't like this plan because, again, like you, I don't

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Speaker 4: like the whole system, and I think the system needs

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Speaker 4: sort of like the Ukrainan piece deals that you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not getting what I want, but I'm.

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Speaker 5: Dealing with reality.

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Speaker 4: The reality is that there's going to be a number

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Speaker 4: that to happen. Neither Republicans nor Democrats really want that

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Speaker 4: of dealing with this. And you talk about populism versus conservatism.

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Speaker 4: Right Servitism is about you know, principles of governance. Populism

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Speaker 4: They're not focusing on ideology. They're not looking at this

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Speaker 5: And that's what this is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this doesn't solve anything that we would want

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Speaker 3: it to solve. This this is a continuation of a

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Speaker 2: That's the fundamental flaw with all government healthcare. But there

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Speaker 4: That I was going to say, This is a I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to make this nice for radio. This is sort

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Speaker 4: of like a cocass sandwich. And what you've done is

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Speaker 4: you put fresh lettuce, tomato, and mayonnaise on it to

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Speaker 4: make it a little bit more palatable. That's all this

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Speaker 4: really is. This is not even really about costs. Its

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Speaker 4: a tax increase, and which is what this would look like,

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Speaker 5: In an election year and any day. So that's the

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Speaker 3: And anybody didn't know this was coming, It didn't doesn't

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Speaker 3: understand Trump doesn't understand.

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Speaker 2: What got voted in.

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Speaker 3: You have to understand what is happening and then deal

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Speaker 2: And I saw some.

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Speaker 3: People push the idea that this is terrible and this

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Speaker 3: And I saw this from Republicans, people on the political right,

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Speaker 3: I'm not angry with them, percent right, But Republicans have had,

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Speaker 3: as you say, fifteen years to figure this out and

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Speaker 3: come out with a quote unquote better plan or a

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Speaker 3: full eradication of Obamacare, and they've done nothing. I don't

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Speaker 3: Republicans could have gotten rid of this thing and have

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Speaker 4: Well, eight years ago, Donald Trump did try to get

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Speaker 4: rid of it. Don't forget they had the Reconciliation Bill

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Speaker 4: And Donald Trump said it's going to be great, it's

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Speaker 4: this is to get government and third party payers out

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Speaker 4: Republicans don't want to get on board with that. Democrats

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Speaker 4: certainly don't want that because they want government control of healthcare,

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Speaker 5: With the subsidy extension.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: Admittedly it's with nicer chairs, right, you're still the Titanic.

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Speaker 2: I like the shares, but it is with nicer chairs.

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Speaker 2: And so what the for the administration. The issue is

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Speaker 5: We know what.

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Speaker 2: Democrats are going to say, they've.

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Speaker 3: Done nothing, and that they're going to somehow manipulate a

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Speaker 3: to you. We forced him into this. Democrats aren't smart

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Speaker 3: So I think that the going after Trump for engaging

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Speaker 3: one more question, which is about Marjorie Taylor Green in

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Speaker 2: I won't miss her at all. I mean Friday before sundown.

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Speaker 3: We've got a guy named Christian MacDonald who covers it

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Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Marcy if hotair dot com. Oh my

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Speaker 3: announces her resignation not immediately January fifth, because, as the

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Speaker 2: That will make her five years in the House.

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Speaker 3: That will mean a full pension, and so she's resigning

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Speaker 3: She made one solid argument, which is, why in the

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Speaker 2: Stick? Is this because I forget who was reporting it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of all of these things, Tony.

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Speaker 4: But I think that was I think that's the motivation.

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Speaker 2: That's was my point.

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Speaker 3: As for Marjorie Taylor Green, I do wish her well

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Speaker 2: Good Lord, Ed Morrissey, hotair dot com.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the time to be with us

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Speaker 3: more to get to I'm Tony Katz, and this is

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz today. I don't know what I'm supposed to

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Speaker 5: Were going for.

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Speaker 3: And it's an argument that we've been making here from

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Speaker 3: dot com. Ed Marssey joins me right now from hotair

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Speaker 3: dot com. And you have got the piece up. Ukraine

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Speaker 3: agrees to US peace deal. Let's start with the basics here,

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Speaker 3: at Marci, what is this peace deal?

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight points, nineteen points? What do you know?

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Speaker 4: This is something that leaked out of the White House,

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Speaker 5: So some of this is just status quo.

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Speaker 4: Some of this is just a recognition of the status

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Speaker 5: Uh. This is an attempt to just more or less

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Speaker 4: Lines that you've got right now with some minor adjustments, uh,

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Speaker 5: And these This is not a great This is not

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Speaker 3: And you're looking for us an offering and that and

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Speaker 3: What actually satisfies everybody? What would satisfy Democrats and Republicans,

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Speaker 3: What would satisfy Ukrainians and Russians, which is to say

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Speaker 3: So the idea of this isn't a great peace deal.

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Speaker 3: Have they determined what would be a great peace deal ed?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, What they want is a full restoration of Ukrainian

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Speaker 5: They were already there.

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Speaker 4: So what they want is a restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty

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Speaker 5: And even if you did that, they'd come again.

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Speaker 4: And Ukraine simply isn't prepared to do that, and the

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Speaker 3: So the argument is going to be talking to Ed

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Speaker 3: the dollars, the manpower, the mood of the American people,

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Speaker 3: and the electric They haven't wanted to do this, I

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Speaker 3: think because leadership has not shown a willingness to do

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Speaker 3: this in major in major cases, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: to get everything that I want in this battle, in.

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Speaker 2: This fight, in this desire to make the killing end.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of historical perspective if you have it,

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Speaker 3: or of a matter of taking a look at people

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Speaker 3: who are claiming they see this is the problem with

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Speaker 3: Trump's populism, and there's many problems with Trump's populism. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: good is better than what you already have. Why can't

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Speaker 3: we just take good and see what we can grow

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Speaker 3: from there.

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Speaker 4: Well, there is a concern that this piece deal might

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Speaker 4: just be a you know, a way for Russia to

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Speaker 4: re arm because of course be able to write. There

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Speaker 4: is an issue with that, which is the reason why

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Speaker 4: Ukraine wants Western security guarantees, and it's the reason why

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Speaker 4: Western security guarantees have been incorporated into this, which is

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Speaker 4: to say that we will commit troops if Russia invades

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Speaker 4: again in force. And by the way, the Dunbas or

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Speaker 4: at least the Dunets Oblast would be demilitarized, so it'd

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Speaker 4: be a little bit more difficult for Russia to do

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Speaker 4: it the next time out. And again I don't like

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Speaker 4: this deal either. I think Russia should have been defeated.

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Speaker 4: I was hoping that Ukraine could do it. I didn't

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Speaker 4: want to go to World War three to achieve that.

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Speaker 4: So if you're not going to do that, if you

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Speaker 4: don't want to send American troops and German troops and

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Speaker 4: French troops into Ukraine and declare war on Russia on

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Speaker 4: behalf of the Ukrainians, then you're going to have to

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Speaker 4: start looking at the reality of this. And the reality

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Speaker 4: of this is Ukraine can't beat Russia in the long run.

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Speaker 4: Russia probably can't conquer Ukraine in the long run. What

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Speaker 4: you're setting up here, if you don't want to have

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Speaker 4: some sort of an off ramp, some sort of negotiated

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Speaker 4: off ramp, is you're setting up twenty years of absolute

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Speaker 4: human carnage which could very easily spread into other areas.

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Speaker 4: And Russia's already been trying to press that on the

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Speaker 4: frontiers of NATO with drone incursions and that sort of thing,

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Speaker 4: and We've actually sent up airplanes now start challenging that.

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Speaker 4: So I believe that that's backed off. But those are

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Speaker 4: the types of risks that you run when you have

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Speaker 4: wars going on in your backyard. And again, this is

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Speaker 4: it's not justice. It's not a good deal for anybody,

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Speaker 4: but at least it might stop the war and might

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Speaker 4: be a path to a more lasting settlement of the

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Speaker 4: conflict in this region, which has really been going on

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Speaker 4: for ever since the Soviet Union collapsed.

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Speaker 3: If you understand Trump at all, the deal has to

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Speaker 3: be made so he could say I stopped the war.

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Speaker 3: I did exactly what I said I was going to do.

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Speaker 3: The fact that Russia cannot be trusted is something that

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Speaker 3: everybody knows and is a part that is an afterthought

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Speaker 3: in this.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I would have liked to have pushed

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Speaker 2: the Russians all the way back. And anybody who thinks this.

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Speaker 3: Is entire issue, I've always thought is a nutty proposition.

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Speaker 3: But it is a difference between me and you most

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Speaker 3: probably as you're talking and the populace talking to Ed

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Speaker 3: Morrissey off hot air dot com. Let me move the

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Speaker 3: subject just a bit to who has become the great

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Speaker 3: great comedy relief in America. Her name is it aten

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Speaker 3: Bane or often.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you pronounce it, but it's probably been.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is the obscure state legislative legislator from

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Speaker 4: Tennessee who wants to run for Congress. There's a special

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Speaker 4: election a week from today, and man, she is the

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Speaker 4: gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 3: So she's something else. I'm gonna see if I could

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Speaker 3: share this with you. She is on the record saying this.

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Speaker 6: I mean that could be as seemingly naive as like

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Speaker 6: the way I dressed and the way I present it myself,

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Speaker 6: you know, and just this southern bell kind of are

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Speaker 6: that I try to cultivate.

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Speaker 5: And it's a sorority. Like, I mean, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: Now because what are the folks I work with and

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Speaker 4: they're like, you are in a sorority.

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Speaker 5: I lived in the sorority house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, one staple of white supremacy sororities. That's

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Speaker 2: probably the tamest piece I have from her. She says

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Speaker 2: that men can give birth.

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Speaker 3: She talks about representing Nashville, and how much she hates

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Speaker 3: Nashville and hates Broadway and hates the bacherette parties and

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Speaker 3: hates country music, everything about her. And then there's this

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Speaker 3: video from twenty nineteen when she stormed the office of

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Speaker 3: then Governor Lee and she got thrown out and she's

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Speaker 3: on the floor. A friend is sobbing. She's like, you

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Speaker 3: should be ashamed of yourselves. If there was a caricature

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Speaker 3: of feminism, this would be it. There's no cartoon as

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Speaker 3: Michael Ramirez cannot come close to creating this pen to pay.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Michael's really talented, so he might he might have come

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Speaker 4: up with a better one, but until he does, she

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Speaker 4: is the epitome of the awfl right, the affluent white

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Speaker 4: female liberal and our awfuls as we call them.

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Speaker 3: And the Democrats are really pushing her to be the

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Speaker 3: next member of Congress.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if the Democrats are really pushing

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Speaker 4: her at this point. The whole thing with this is

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Speaker 4: what happens when you have somebody who's unprepared for the moment,

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Speaker 4: and we haven't even gotten to the MS now interview

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Speaker 4: where the hosts of the Weekend we're trying to rescue

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Speaker 4: her by giving her an opportunity to contextualize her support

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Speaker 4: for burning down police stations and for Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. Now, they're bringing this up so that

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Speaker 4: she can say, look, it was the heat of the moment,

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Speaker 4: you know, looking back, that was probably not the wise

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Speaker 4: thing to say or do.

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Speaker 5: I certainly don't believe that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't do any of that. She then says when

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Speaker 4: they bring it up, she says, oh, I didn't come

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Speaker 4: here to debate talk you know, cable news talking points.

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Speaker 4: While she's appearing on a cable news show with people

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Speaker 4: who are trying to help her, who are trying to

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Speaker 4: rescue her, because these tweets have been have re emerged,

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Speaker 4: and they're trying to bake. They're doing a prosecutor's trick

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Speaker 4: or a trial attorney's trick, bringing out the bad stuff

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Speaker 4: on the friendly examination so that they can put it,

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Speaker 4: they can spin it however they want, and she absolutely

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Speaker 4: is not recognizing that.

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Speaker 5: It refuses to.

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Speaker 4: Discuss what her positions are on burning down police stations

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Speaker 4: eight years later, it's it's easily the worst interview at

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Speaker 4: least since Katie Porter, you know, yelled at her assistant

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Speaker 4: while she was on the air with doing a commercial.

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Speaker 7: Right, So yeah, I mean you're in the blanking so bad,

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Speaker 7: you're in the blanking shot. And the best is at

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Speaker 7: Katie Porter with former congress women running for governor in running,

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Speaker 7: no running for governor now she already lost the Senate

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Speaker 7: race in California.

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Speaker 3: And the best is that assistant who's getting screamed. That

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Speaker 3: is like, I just wanted to tell you got the

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Speaker 3: facts wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's actually that's this and this.

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Speaker 3: It's correcting Katie Porter after getting screamed at for being

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Speaker 3: in the blanking shot. It is so terrific. It is

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Speaker 3: joyous to witness ed Marzi dot Com. I appreciate you

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Speaker 3: really appreciate the time for the in depth on all

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Speaker 3: the subjects. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today