Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: The Fame Second Podcast with the evening. My name is Mike.
Speaker 1: Across me, I have Rod, and next to Rod, I
Speaker 1: have Ken. Next to me, I should have Spike, but
Speaker 1: Spike said he saw way too much Penis and he
Speaker 1: could not bring himself out of the house, so he
Speaker 1: is not going to be on this episode. But before
Speaker 1: we even get started, what I need y'all to do
Speaker 1: is spam Spike. Make Spike review this movie for Patreon
Speaker 1: or solo, either one. Spike needs to talk about zombie Pennis. Okay,
Speaker 1: so look, we're talking about the fact that we don't
Speaker 1: want to have to see all this zombie pennis for nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've had to go back and listen to the Oh,
Speaker 3: I mean the first he was not happy about all
Speaker 3: the Pennis.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. So all right, So twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: the Bone Temple. This is the new installment in the franchise.
Speaker 1: I know the Bone Temple and that some shit Spike
Speaker 1: did not want to go nowhere near the Bone Temple.
Speaker 1: But this was directed well, we'll say it was written
Speaker 1: first off by Alice Garland, who wrote the others, meaning
Speaker 1: the first twenty eight years later, as well as twenty
Speaker 1: eight Days. He did not do Weeks and it was
Speaker 1: directed by Nia DaCosta. I'm not gonna lie Nina Costa
Speaker 1: is obviously she's one to did Candy Man, and she
Speaker 1: also did the Marvels, the later Candy Man. I mean, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: the remake, so I was concerned. So let's start here, Rod,
Speaker 1: what did you think of this film?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I thought it was I thought it was fine.
Speaker 3: These films are surprising me. But I do remember liking
Speaker 3: elements about the last one. I don't remember hating it.
Speaker 3: These movies are not movies that I would rush to
Speaker 3: if I were sure. But because and it's really because
Speaker 3: we do the podcast, It's probably why I go see it.
Speaker 3: But when I go see him, I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 3: ain't waste my money, and you know, I got some
Speaker 3: sort of enjoyment out of it.
Speaker 1: So this was no different.
Speaker 3: I feel like this one I felt was a little
Speaker 3: bit better because I feel like the other one was
Speaker 3: a little bit like not ridiculous, but it did have
Speaker 3: some ridiculous moments this one, and then I knew, I
Speaker 3: remember it's not liking that in with Jimmy, we was
Speaker 3: like what the hell are they doing with this silly
Speaker 3: ship at the end?
Speaker 1: I remember thinking that.
Speaker 3: So I was a little concerned about that going into
Speaker 3: this one because Jimmy was gonna be in this one.
Speaker 3: But they took a different direction with it, and I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, cool, this is a good direction they
Speaker 3: took with it. So yeah, ultimately I thought it was
Speaker 3: very solid, very solid story.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it more than the last one.
Speaker 4: There were some things that I was like, I, what
Speaker 4: is this what we're really doing? But I think they
Speaker 4: made it make a little bit more sense towards the end.
Speaker 4: And also I had to remember certain things about this
Speaker 4: particular movie versus other zombie movies, because I remember you
Speaker 4: telling me the last time that they're not zombies. So
Speaker 4: once I remember that part, I started to kind of
Speaker 4: recalibrate a little bit to some of the things that
Speaker 4: was happening. So and I still don't know where they're
Speaker 4: actually gonna go with it moving forward, but some of
Speaker 4: the things that all question did make sense. So I
Speaker 4: did like it better than the last one.
Speaker 1: Okay, not a glowing recommendation, but alrighty, I fucking loved
Speaker 1: this movie. I loved this movie, and I am be
Speaker 1: yonned surprised by how good this was. I did not
Speaker 1: like it the first one the first time I watched
Speaker 1: it because of the ending. The ending was so fucking
Speaker 1: ridiculous that I hated it. By the time we got
Speaker 1: around reviewing it, I lightened up on the movie and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, nah, it was good. It was
Speaker 1: just a stupid ending. I rewatched it again for the
Speaker 1: third time before going in to watch this new one.
Speaker 1: I really like the first one. Now I still do
Speaker 1: not like the ending. I still like the ending at all,
Speaker 1: but I liked the movie itself. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: Walking into this Nea the cost to have me concerned
Speaker 1: because I did not like that Candyman remake and the Marvels.
Speaker 1: I did not like that movie either, so I was
Speaker 1: just like, she's got a bad track record with me.
Speaker 1: She did say or imply that the issue with the
Speaker 1: Marvels was Disney got too involved and they made her
Speaker 1: do the things that she did. After watching this, I
Speaker 1: believe every word she said. She fucking killed this movie.
Speaker 1: Nia da Costa did so much better with the visuals,
Speaker 1: with the story, with every sand the first movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she man I'm telling y'all, I will say this. Watching
Speaker 1: this movie. When it was like thirty minutes in, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm really liking this. I hope they
Speaker 1: don't fuck this up. An hour in, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm really really liking this. I hope
Speaker 1: they don't fuck this up. And I was doing that
Speaker 1: up until it got to be where it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's only twenty minutes left. They can't ruin it. They
Speaker 1: can't ruin it, and they didn't. I thought this was great, great, great,
Speaker 1: great from start to finish, and even the ending, which
Speaker 1: we'll get to. I was like, man, this is fucking great.
Speaker 1: So you had questions about that, we'll get to them,
Speaker 1: all right. So did y'all catch the hello at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the film when you say hello, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? Somebody says hello? I don't think so, all right?
Speaker 1: So that was from twenty eight days later, and I
Speaker 1: caught that immediately. I was like, okay. That was the
Speaker 1: still to this day one of my favorite scene from
Speaker 1: any zombie film, even though they're not zombies, but yeah,
Speaker 1: from any zombie A Jason film. That's when Jim, who's
Speaker 1: played by Killian Murphy when he walks to the church
Speaker 1: and he says hello, and those two infected stand up
Speaker 1: and they just stare at him. It's the creepiest fucking
Speaker 1: scene from just about any zombie A Jason film. And
Speaker 1: then he's attacked by a preacher Killian Murphy. Killian Murphy.
Speaker 1: Who is He's the guy at the very end. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the scarecrow that just answered my questions. Yeah, oh, you
Speaker 1: were like, who the fuck is that guy? Because people like,
Speaker 1: oh sh at the end, that's me, I'm people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I was
Speaker 4: the same way. I was like, wait, just that way
Speaker 4: I heard his voice.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, man. So yeah, so that plays into this
Speaker 1: film because the first encounter we get with an infected
Speaker 1: U well a real infected from the movie from Jim's perspective,
Speaker 1: is in a church. So I was like, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: kind of cool that they included that. But it cuts
Speaker 1: to Spike and he's surrounded by a gang of Jimmy's
Speaker 1: who they're for themselves as the Fingers, and they're basically, uh,
Speaker 1: they're kind of like jumping him into a gang sort of,
Speaker 1: and the ruler is goes by Sir Jimmy. Oh fuck,
Speaker 1: what's his last name, Sir Jimmy, So let's see. Oh god,
Speaker 1: damn it, why did I write that? Fucking down? Crystal,
Speaker 1: Sir Jimmy, Crystal, okay, And he says, if the new
Speaker 1: person can kill one of his current Jimmies, then they
Speaker 1: can join his crew. So Spike goes up against one
Speaker 1: of the Jimmy's and ends up winning. Ken what'd you
Speaker 1: think about this scene?
Speaker 4: I liked it because he won on accident, you know,
Speaker 4: so it made sense. There's no way he should have
Speaker 4: won that fight, and and it was good because later on,
Speaker 4: you know, we saw a play out again.
Speaker 1: But but nah, I mean, a bunch of.
Speaker 4: Guys in this colt or whatever picking on this kid,
Speaker 4: believing that because he's small and weak that they're just
Speaker 4: gonna beat him, and they're just torn with him and
Speaker 4: playing around with him. And then by accident, he just
Speaker 4: poked one of them and hit an artery and then
Speaker 4: that was it and he's part of the group. But
Speaker 4: but yeah, so I love it. I think it made
Speaker 4: the most sense for how everything went down.
Speaker 1: Agree with that Rod to a certain degree.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of with the other fingers, like, yo, it's
Speaker 3: a lucky shot, Like, you're really gonna gonna accept this
Speaker 3: kid over the other guy that was clearly for the
Speaker 3: cause and clearly uh just a better.
Speaker 1: Better at battle.
Speaker 3: Right, Like I said, if it wasn't like a lucky
Speaker 3: shot and he won fair and square, I feel like
Speaker 3: that would have made more sense. But yeah, it was
Speaker 3: kind of weird that they accepted him even though it
Speaker 3: clearly seemed like he wasn't wasn't ready to be a
Speaker 3: part of his colt.
Speaker 1: Yep, but he wasn't.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I don't know what the rules were
Speaker 4: outside of you in and U in, right, So if
Speaker 4: that is it, then I get why he accepted him.
Speaker 1: Plus, at the end of the day, that guy was
Speaker 1: dead anyway, So if.
Speaker 4: You're if you're you're saying that they could have attempted
Speaker 4: to save his life, then I get you. But for
Speaker 4: what I saw, I was like, he's gonna die, so
Speaker 4: it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's what I'm saying, they could have. They
Speaker 3: probably could have covered up the Yeah, they could have.
Speaker 3: I don't know how they would have eventually cured him
Speaker 3: or whatever or saved his life, especially if neither one
Speaker 3: of them are doctors. But I don't know it just
Speaker 3: if you asked the question, that's what that's how I
Speaker 3: would answer it. But I thought it was fine. I'm
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: I thought it was fine, But I'm just saying it logically.
Speaker 1: If I'm answered the question, that's what I was thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was good too, because it's the only
Speaker 1: way it makes sense, because if they really had Spike
Speaker 1: pull some smooth move and actually kill him, this would
Speaker 1: have started the movie off real bad. But the fact
Speaker 1: that they had him on his knees and he just
Speaker 1: stabbed anywhere he could stab, and he just happened to
Speaker 1: hit an artery, I thought that was perfect. I thought
Speaker 1: that was perfect. The reason I understand them not going
Speaker 1: to save him is because it was against the rules.
Speaker 1: Sir Jimmy sets all the rules, and the rule is
Speaker 1: y'all fight, whoever dies loses, and that's it. There's nothing
Speaker 1: else about it. So and he probably was not really
Speaker 1: sweatd because he knew they were going to do it again,
Speaker 1: like they were going to do this whole thing again,
Speaker 1: so they were going to find another person. That person
Speaker 1: was clearly going to go up against Spike and kill him,
Speaker 1: so it didn't matter. So anyway, it goes he was
Speaker 1: gonna get replaced by a stronger guy, So I like this.
Speaker 1: I also liked the fact that the fingers for all
Speaker 1: my Kubrick fans, reminded me so much of the drugies
Speaker 1: in Clockwork Orange. I thought that was really, really, really
Speaker 1: dope reference if that was intentional, which maybe it wasn't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Then we see doctor Kelson who's removing
Speaker 1: the body of the pregnant infected from the last film,
Speaker 1: the one that was in the I can't remem if
Speaker 1: it was a bus or a train car. I think
Speaker 1: it was a train car, right, a train car, and
Speaker 1: he's taking her to his bone temple, basically be part
Speaker 1: of the bone temple. And we also see a moment
Speaker 1: from the perspective of Samson, the infected alpha, the one
Speaker 1: with the big old dick. What did y'all think about
Speaker 1: how it shows the infected what they see when they
Speaker 1: see regular humans.
Speaker 4: I thought that was dope because I'd never even wonder
Speaker 4: or thought about what is it they actually see. So
Speaker 4: when they showed the quick flash, I was like.
Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I didn't know they were going to do something the
Speaker 4: way later, but I'm like, oh, that makes sense they're
Speaker 4: attacking because they see what they perceive as a threat.
Speaker 4: The one question that I did have though, was I
Speaker 4: get killing him to protect yourself with the videos of
Speaker 4: but why go to extramu to eating them and all
Speaker 4: the other stuff. So that part I didn't understand. So
Speaker 4: I don't think they eat them.
Speaker 1: Eating his brains? Yeah, you're right, You're sure, right, So.
Speaker 4: That was the only question I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 4: get why you would attack them because you feel like
Speaker 4: you're you know, you're scared of them, But eating them,
Speaker 4: I don't know how.
Speaker 1: If they're if they're if they're uh, what's the word feral?
Speaker 1: I mean feral cats will probably eat a dead cat
Speaker 1: if they come up on it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Or a dog might eat another dog. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a problem with that because I didn't even really think
Speaker 1: about it until you just brought it up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: them eating the brains out of that one head, I
Speaker 1: have a problem with it because they are animals at
Speaker 1: this point. But I did think, I'm sorry, I didn't
Speaker 1: get your perspective. Yeah, so this this part was confusing
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, because if I'm so he so Sampson saw infected.
Speaker 1: I think yes, he So basically it looks like what
Speaker 1: the infected see in regular humans is what regular humans
Speaker 1: see and infected.
Speaker 3: Right, So that's that part doesn't make sense to me
Speaker 3: because why aren't you Why aren't you attacking other.
Speaker 1: Infected because they don't see infected like that. They see
Speaker 1: him as regular humans probably.
Speaker 3: So you say, you're saying that they see infected as
Speaker 3: regular and they don't see yes, So that's what the
Speaker 3: rage that the rage virus does.
Speaker 1: Anybody that's infected with it, they probably see them as
Speaker 1: regular people or or at least on their team, and
Speaker 1: not a threat. But a person that's not infected with
Speaker 1: the virus, they see that person as a threat. That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Well I needed more context then that because because because yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't get like, okay, so what do you see
Speaker 3: your own con ass? So you see you think you
Speaker 3: just a regular ass human being. That didn't make sense
Speaker 3: to me because they didn't show that, unless I don't
Speaker 3: less I miss that.
Speaker 1: Did they show that they how they see other infected? No,
Speaker 1: but they kind of imply that when when later on
Speaker 1: we see Samson reverting back to human and getting attacked
Speaker 1: by the other infected and also when Kelson he says
Speaker 1: something I think it was in the last movie where
Speaker 1: he was talking about how he's seen the infected attack
Speaker 1: of baby and he's like, why would they attack a baby?
Speaker 1: A baby is not a movie. Okay, it's because that
Speaker 1: the infected or the infection is affecting their brain where
Speaker 1: they see anything that's not infected as some sort of threat. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really, really, really dope way
Speaker 1: to explain why they behave the way they do, because
Speaker 1: I mean, watching all the films, they just get mad
Speaker 1: and start fucking running at you and they just beat
Speaker 1: the shit out of you, but it ever really ever
Speaker 1: explained why. And I thought them dropping in that nugget
Speaker 1: of why they're acting like that, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's really good. We see that Samson's been returning
Speaker 1: to doctor Kelson over and over and they've developed this
Speaker 1: sort of friendship. What'd you think of the friendship scenes
Speaker 1: that was going on with Helson and Samson, either one
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 4: This was the issue early that I had with him.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, is he really going to become friends
Speaker 4: with the zombie? Because the zombies are added. He just
Speaker 4: became a drug addict, so the only way he can
Speaker 4: get it is drugs is keeping him alive, which okay,
Speaker 4: but they didn't stay there, which I thought was was dope.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, what and then he's dancing with the zombie,
Speaker 4: he doing all.
Speaker 1: This other stuff. The progress was dope, though.
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, he could see the pause
Speaker 4: in him, like when he walked up and stuff like,
Speaker 4: he was like, okay, he kind of what's going on here?
Speaker 4: And then he hit him with it and then you know,
Speaker 4: he laid down. I was like, okay, I'm gonna take
Speaker 4: a chance. I'm gonna trust to you. And then he
Speaker 4: was like okay, my head still intact. So the progress
Speaker 4: was dope. It was just it just felt really really
Speaker 4: ridiculous that he's gonna make friends with a zombie because
Speaker 4: he had his supply.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I like this. I like the build
Speaker 3: up of this, even when he was about to shoot
Speaker 3: him with the dark and he got really close before
Speaker 3: he did it, Like, even that that anticipation.
Speaker 1: Was good, you know, and I did. I didn't have an.
Speaker 3: Issue with him supplying him the morphine and stuff like
Speaker 3: that and trying to because he's a doctor at the
Speaker 3: end of the day. So I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's very conscious about, you know, the whole bone temple.
Speaker 3: So this sceneed right in line with him wanting to
Speaker 3: figured this out. So so him trying to like, okay,
Speaker 3: is this something to this, Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: As a doctor? You, I mean, you spend your life's work.
Speaker 3: In time trying to figure out cures and things like that.
Speaker 3: So it made to me it made a lot of
Speaker 3: sense that he's like he That's why he was like, yo,
Speaker 3: just give me a sign before I just end this
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but before he started exploring possibilities possible ways to
Speaker 4: cure him, he was just about to kill him. That
Speaker 4: didn't come until till later I forgot what Oh he
Speaker 4: said move.
Speaker 1: Then it was like, oh shit, that's why he's saying
Speaker 1: he's asking for a.
Speaker 4: Before then he was about to kill him, because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I get you. So he wasn't trying to hear
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying is I get the doctor
Speaker 4: point of it. But at that point he wasn't trying
Speaker 4: to cure him at all.
Speaker 1: He wanted a reason to continue on to see it
Speaker 1: and explore it. No, No, he was about to put
Speaker 1: him out of his misery. Yeah, so he was. He
Speaker 1: was hitting him with the with the darts, which happen
Speaker 1: morphine on them, but that was only to like calm
Speaker 1: him down at the time. I don't think he knew
Speaker 1: that there was a cure yet. He hadn't figured out
Speaker 1: what he could do to cure him. He just saw
Speaker 1: that the morphine was calming him down. So why would
Speaker 1: he put itself in danger if he didn't think it
Speaker 1: was a possibility that that did that, that Samson wouldn't
Speaker 1: attack him. Yeah, he was lonely, That's part of it.
Speaker 1: And also he saw that the morphine was taking effect.
Speaker 1: And at that point, I don't know that he even
Speaker 1: cared if he'd lived or died, because when he woke up,
Speaker 1: he was just like, oh okay, yeah, still alive. Cool.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he was thinking this is curing him.
Speaker 1: He just thought it was placating him and it was
Speaker 1: calming him down. Yeah, yeah, I know he didn't think that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he thought the morphine was
Speaker 1: curing him.
Speaker 3: It gave him like the idea like maybe I can't
Speaker 3: cure it is because then we hear him narrating saying,
Speaker 3: you know, well, this seems like whatever he called it,
Speaker 3: some sort of paranoia type of thing that was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so he's just like, so maybe I can
Speaker 1: treat that. Yeah, But he realized that there was no
Speaker 1: time because only he only had two more weeks worth
Speaker 1: of morphine left. So he was like, this isn't gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and that's why I was going to go out and
Speaker 1: just give him the kill shot. Hm right, mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I actually thought this was an interesting thing when
Speaker 1: you said that, you know, you're like, oh, well, are
Speaker 1: they really going to do this where it's just like
Speaker 1: this dude addicted the morphine. I think this was interesting
Speaker 1: as fuck because they showed that when Samson had the
Speaker 1: morphine in him, he was getting flashbacks to his old life.
Speaker 1: So I think Samson it wasn't just like he was
Speaker 1: physically addicted to the morphine. I think he was he
Speaker 1: was enjoying the fact that he was reverting a bit
Speaker 1: to his old life and he was seeing what his
Speaker 1: old life was. So I thought that was super interesting
Speaker 1: that he kept shooting with the morphine. This next part,
Speaker 1: are you either when you're all familiar with Androcles, the
Speaker 1: story of Androcles. He's the uh. He escaped slavery, hid
Speaker 1: in the cave.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: He became friends with the lion. The lion had a
Speaker 1: thorn in his paw. He removed the thorn him and
Speaker 1: the lion became friends. Then he's thrown into he's sentenced
Speaker 1: to death later on, and he's sentenced to death by
Speaker 1: mauling of a lion, and it ends up being the
Speaker 1: same lion, so the lion doesn't kill him. Happy, happy
Speaker 1: story ever after. Right when I saw this, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's actually interesting because that's clearly who h Kelson is.
Speaker 1: He said, he's channeling his inner Androcles. And when he
Speaker 1: calls Samson, uh, the whole reason of why he names
Speaker 1: him Samson. Do y'all remember Samson? What his story was? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He said, well, one thing he measured was the hair.
Speaker 1: The hair and what else I can't remember. You should
Speaker 1: know you read the Bible. He killed a line with
Speaker 1: his bare hands. So there's this whole lion motif with
Speaker 1: doctor Kelson and how he's looking at the I guess
Speaker 1: I'm only I'm the only one that found that interesting. Y'all, Like,
Speaker 1: move the fucker Kelson realizes that he only has a
Speaker 1: few more weeks left the morphine to give Samson, so
Speaker 1: at one point, he decides to give Samson lasting peace,
Speaker 1: which is what y'all talking about a minute ago, by
Speaker 1: giving him the injection that will kill him, but he
Speaker 1: changes his mind when Samson utters the word moon. So
Speaker 1: were y'all cool with this part or was it just confusing?
Speaker 1: M h I was cute. I loved it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love this part.
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know, he did it so well,
Speaker 3: like like yeah, I really liked this part and then
Speaker 3: and then yeah, and it comes back around later too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah. No, I wasn't. I wasn't confused about it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I was asking like when he kept giving it to him,
Speaker 4: and I was like I want this that stuff like
Speaker 4: actually like curry him. But dang, it was just like
Speaker 4: I was just like, nah, I can't be doing that.
Speaker 4: But then it happened and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's probably like uh when when Caesar said no, no,
Speaker 4: he said no planting another apes, it was like one
Speaker 4: of those moments and it was like I was like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, this motherfucker talking, you know. So I was
Speaker 4: like damn okay, I said. So now they're kind of
Speaker 4: starting to tie everything together, from the friendship to the morphrame,
Speaker 4: so things are starting to make sense. So now I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, this is where they're going with
Speaker 4: this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm like okay.
Speaker 4: So then I'm like, well, shit, you only have two
Speaker 4: weeks left, Like, how are you going to figure out
Speaker 4: a way to create some sort of vaccine or whatever.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna have the what do you have
Speaker 1: the equipment? Now I'm asking a question, are.
Speaker 4: You gonna have the equipment to figure out what is
Speaker 4: the actual thing that the morphine is curing? I think
Speaker 4: he even talked through it, but now I'm asking question.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, but now we make a progress.
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, wait a minute, you can't cure zombies.
Speaker 4: And that's when I remember, oh shit, Mike said, they're
Speaker 4: not technically zombies.
Speaker 1: I said, I forgot about that. Yoh. Now everything is
Speaker 1: starting to kind of come there. I was like, oh shit.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, okay.
Speaker 4: I like what they're doing with this particular aspect of
Speaker 4: the story, like taking something that we see as zombies
Speaker 4: that are not zombies and finding a cure that I
Speaker 4: don't that's never been done before.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, this is interesting.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm like, well, how does
Speaker 4: this tie into Jimmy and the Fingers sound like a
Speaker 4: fifties band, so how did this tie into all of them?
Speaker 1: You know? So? Yeah, so I had an arguing argument
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine. So do y'all not get
Speaker 1: that the morphine wasn't what cured him? Yeah? What was it?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: It was the the I'm about to say potion, but
Speaker 3: the uh, the antidote or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 3: that he was trying to conjure up.
Speaker 1: He gave him anti psychotic pills. Oh, and I think
Speaker 1: that for some reason, when I would arguing with my homeboy,
Speaker 1: he missed that and his friends missed it too, And
Speaker 1: I was like, did y'all just close your eyes.
Speaker 4: From but he said it too, now that you mentioned it,
Speaker 4: he did say that. He said it was a psychosis.
Speaker 4: He said it a few times.
Speaker 1: Yes, the rage virus, he said, is a mental psychosis,
Speaker 1: and it can be cured or maybe stopped or halted
Speaker 1: at least with anti psychotic pills. And I was like,
Speaker 1: Jesus Man, this movie these motherfuckers really thought into this. Yes.
Speaker 3: The only thing what I was confused about is because
Speaker 3: I don't I didn't remember that they weren't toombes technically,
Speaker 3: So I was just like, okay, well, hold on, what
Speaker 3: the hell going So you.
Speaker 1: Were thinking that they were dead but undead? How the
Speaker 1: fuck do that?
Speaker 3: But I was like, yeah, maybe I missed something, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, so that makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing we got that from. You. Do they
Speaker 1: ever say that in the film that they're not dead? No,
Speaker 1: they just I don't know, but maybe they've said it
Speaker 1: and I don't remember. But I always got this impression
Speaker 1: because you notice they never have to shoot him in
Speaker 1: the head. They can slip one of their throats and
Speaker 1: they die, yes, or shoot them in the stomach and
Speaker 1: they die. The only ones that don't die are the alphas.
Speaker 1: But in all the other movies, if they just shoot them,
Speaker 1: they go down and they die. So that tells me
Speaker 1: they're not zombies because you shouldn't be able to shoot
Speaker 1: a zombie in the stomach and it dies. You have
Speaker 1: to shoot them in the head. So it's not following
Speaker 1: zombie rules.
Speaker 3: Yes, not following zombie rules, and you're saying that these
Speaker 3: people will eventually die.
Speaker 1: Yes, they will age, they will die. If they get
Speaker 1: a bad flu and it hits, they will die.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, which is why they probably
Speaker 3: showed him carrying that lady back to the temple.
Speaker 1: And that's why Yes, yeah, yeah, they're saying is I
Speaker 1: said I cut you off? Go ahead? No no, no no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying so that. So they're saying it without
Speaker 1: saying it. Yes, Yeah, they're showing, not telling like people
Speaker 1: love to say. That's why the last movie focused so
Speaker 1: much on Kelson's appreciation of the dead, and the all
Speaker 1: momental Maury thing is remember we all must die or
Speaker 1: remember death. That's why he focuses on that because these
Speaker 1: are not zombies, they're real people. Interesting. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was super super interesting. And I've said before zombie
Speaker 1: films are my favorite sub genre of horror. As far
Speaker 1: as I know, I've never seen a cure in a
Speaker 1: zombie film. I've never seen it, So them doing this,
Speaker 1: I think is super interesting. You would love to have
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Speaker 1: into the Jimmy, let's go ahead finish the Sampson part.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit out of order, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. Sampson goes back to the train car
Speaker 1: and while on the car, he has flashbacks of him
Speaker 1: as a younger man on a train car and he's talking,
Speaker 1: and he actually speaks. He says, I don't have a ticket.
Speaker 1: So what did y'all think of this? And the preceding
Speaker 1: fight with the other infected.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that had I don't have a
Speaker 3: ticket stood out more than like when he was looking
Speaker 3: at pictures of the moon and things like that, which
Speaker 3: I said comes back around later.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 3: That's the part that I was like, oh shit, that's
Speaker 3: Samson because he was a little boy in that situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so so yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that connecting why he said moved to
Speaker 4: him being a child.
Speaker 1: Also the flashbacks of.
Speaker 4: The memories because of the morphine psychosis drugs that he
Speaker 4: was given, all that made sense to connect that. But
Speaker 4: as soon as he said I don't have a ticket,
Speaker 4: I'm like, bruh, they gonna know you were not them.
Speaker 3: And it's also just the showing without telling, because Sampson
Speaker 3: obviously grew up like this.
Speaker 1: Yes, so this is this is them implying that this
Speaker 1: is where he was infected.
Speaker 3: This is where he's infected, and now he's this big,
Speaker 3: grown ass dude. So that shows that this isn't a zombie, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: so that they are showing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if zombies. I'm pretty sure zombies get old.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I don't know that I really
Speaker 1: noticed because I've never noticed them.
Speaker 3: Just like saying that they just become decrepit, like they
Speaker 3: they you know what I'm saying like that, Yeah, they
Speaker 3: don't get older. They don't get older. He actually grew
Speaker 3: up like as a strong man. Wait, we didn't seem
Speaker 3: to get bid as a kid.
Speaker 1: We didn't, but but this is applying. Yeah, it's implying
Speaker 1: that because the zombies at train. Yeah so yeah, so
Speaker 1: he since a boy, he he's been the zombie. And
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's all the afflets.
Speaker 3: They start off as as children and they just this
Speaker 3: is their life.
Speaker 1: They grow up as these.
Speaker 3: Zombies or whatever, and that's you know, maybe that's why
Speaker 3: they're afflet.
Speaker 1: Was maybe maybe, but I think I thought of the
Speaker 1: last film, they just said it was a mutation, that
Speaker 1: the that the alp of what of the regular rage virus,
Speaker 1: and they kind of make they kind of made it
Speaker 1: seem like it was random. So I don't know, so
Speaker 1: don't know, just.
Speaker 3: Doesn't say that, like because how would this be a
Speaker 3: mutation unless he came across something later, But they would
Speaker 3: I feel like they would have shown that.
Speaker 1: Well, because virus is mutant all the time. That's how
Speaker 1: like COVID nineteen became what was it called after that?
Speaker 1: Remember when COVID nineteen the alpha and then it went
Speaker 1: to they called it something after after the regular? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was like different variants. That's how that happens because
Speaker 1: viruses are constantly mutating. So I don't know. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it's because he was a kid, or maybe it just
Speaker 1: he got infected as a kid and it mutated at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but but what I what I in
Speaker 4: washing this, I was like, oh, Ship, he's gonna be
Speaker 4: reinfected when they were biting him, and I'm like, bro.
Speaker 1: All of their asses because there's a lot of these.
Speaker 4: I know Samson is a bit more. But then then
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, Ship, is he only the alpha because
Speaker 4: of the rage virus? Or like, so is he will
Speaker 4: he start because he's starting to be cured lose certain
Speaker 4: aspects of the rage virus that made him who he was.
Speaker 4: But clearly it did not right, it did not because
Speaker 4: there was only one person that walked off that trend.
Speaker 1: And that was out that was that was Samson. Like
Speaker 1: I'm alpha for a reason. Yeah, But I did think
Speaker 1: it was interesting though. If you notice that when the
Speaker 1: fight happened, he took the loincloth Ship back off. He
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm lett my dick. Hang yeah do
Speaker 1: that clear cured a little bit, but this dick is
Speaker 1: still here.
Speaker 4: Dog.
Speaker 1: Maybe because I had it covered up. Y'all y'all forgot
Speaker 1: y'all forgot about how big my ship is though, because
Speaker 1: you jumping and bite me on my neck. Man, let
Speaker 1: me show you how my dick dud man. But no,
Speaker 1: you're saying that that that I don't have a ticket?
Speaker 1: Part didn't jump out. I thought that was super interesting
Speaker 1: because he was he was remembering his old life or whatever,
Speaker 1: and an actual infected was talking to him. But he
Speaker 1: in his mind it was a regular person asking for
Speaker 1: a ticket. Oh yeah, that sh it was. It was creepy.
Speaker 1: It was creepy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yah yah yah yeah yeah, because he was talking
Speaker 3: to the effect, he looked, yes, I don't have a ticket.
Speaker 1: When they knew that he's no longer and infected the
Speaker 1: attack him. Yes some reason. Yeah, yeah, that ship was good.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that back up because yeah, that
Speaker 3: what I did like that part.
Speaker 1: I like that part of lie. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is really really clever thinking and once again neared the
Speaker 1: cost that I apologize for. I don't apologize because no,
Speaker 1: you did make some some bath foms. Just wasn't your fault.
Speaker 1: You fucking killed this ship, bro, even I can't call you, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't have it. I don't have you know what
Speaker 1: for having so few talking lines. I don't know this
Speaker 1: actor's name, but whoever played Samson? Fucking murdered this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, murder pactful every time he a few times he spoke,
Speaker 3: it was impactful.
Speaker 1: And you could you could read it on his face
Speaker 1: that he was reverting. Man, this dude. Man.
Speaker 3: Even before he said moon, Yeah, he was just like
Speaker 3: you kind of see it in his face because.
Speaker 1: He was staring at the moon and he was processing it. Man,
Speaker 1: it was good. I'm gonna say something because I want
Speaker 1: more of this morphine. You can't kill me now, ship
Speaker 1: a tree. He never gets me hot, acting like a human, bro,
Speaker 1: you appreciate you. So this cuts to a scene of
Speaker 1: some survivors going through the woods and they encounter a
Speaker 1: group of infected. But did anything jump out to you
Speaker 1: about how they acted with the older guy who was
Speaker 1: getting overrun. They didn't give a funk about him. Bro left.
Speaker 4: But I love what she said when she was like
Speaker 4: she said, no, he got himself killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to be a hero.
Speaker 4: That was because he had no business none walking up
Speaker 4: on him like that when the gate was right there.
Speaker 1: Stupid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it mays why you're trying to be a hero, man,
Speaker 4: they as soon as that thing turned on him, she
Speaker 4: bounced And I love that.
Speaker 1: That felt real. I don't think we see that you
Speaker 1: know nothing movies. That's exactly what I put in my
Speaker 1: This is an attitude we don't normally see from folks
Speaker 1: in the zombie world. They're always like, we need to
Speaker 1: go help that person's in trouble, we need to go
Speaker 1: save them.
Speaker 3: But to remember they did it in twenty weeks twenty
Speaker 3: eight weeks later? Is that the first one? That's the
Speaker 3: first one days? Twenty eight days? Like she was the same,
Speaker 3: She was the same way. She's like, no, he can't,
Speaker 3: you know how fuck that? We gotta keep going. I
Speaker 3: do remember that about that movie, so they want that
Speaker 3: same shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I forget her name too, now. Fuck yeah, she
Speaker 1: wasn't walking dead? Was it her? The black girl? Is
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about racist ass? No, she's not walking dead,
Speaker 1: But I can't think of her name. I know you're
Speaker 1: talking about the black woman that was with Jim, but
Speaker 1: I can't think of her name now Natalie. Maybe I
Speaker 1: think her name was Natalie. But yeah, So this is
Speaker 1: something we don't normally see in these movies. So you're
Speaker 1: right with that, Ken or at least from my perspective,
Speaker 1: and it actually it goes along with how Natalie thinks,
Speaker 1: but it does not go along with what Jim thinks.
Speaker 1: Jim thinks he will always go help, because that's the
Speaker 1: conversation he had with Natalie, if that is her name.
Speaker 1: They were discussing in twenty eight days if you ran
Speaker 1: across somebody needed help, what would you do. She was like,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving them, and Jim was like, I would never
Speaker 1: do that. I would always go help. So this is
Speaker 1: the first time you've seen people in this world are
Speaker 1: just like fuck that, I'm out. And they clearly knew
Speaker 1: the old guy. I don't know if that was anybody's
Speaker 1: dad or anything, but the fact that they dipped I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is interesting. So the survivors of
Speaker 1: the attack, Tom and Kathy go back to the farm
Speaker 1: where they live. I guess they come about how many
Speaker 1: people were over there, like four with like maybe four
Speaker 1: other people, only to find that the fingers are there
Speaker 1: and they're harassed over dinner. But things heat up when
Speaker 1: they drag all of the survivors except Kathy. Because Kathy
Speaker 1: gets away. They drag the rest of them into the
Speaker 1: barn where they proceed to remove their shirts. What y'all
Speaker 1: think about this scene? And why do you think Jimmy
Speaker 1: was doing this? Real quick YEP played by Naomi Harris.
Speaker 1: Her name was Selena and Selena Selena, I said Natalie,
Speaker 1: but I was planted thinking of the yeah, person's real name.
Speaker 1: But what was the last question you just asked? What
Speaker 1: did you think about this scene? And why do you
Speaker 1: think Jimmy was doing this? Oh? Man, I didn't.
Speaker 3: It was confusing as to why Jimmy was doing it,
Speaker 3: which we I mean, we found out later, but but
Speaker 3: in this moment, I was confused. But yeah, I was
Speaker 3: just like, damn, this is fucked up.
Speaker 1: This is so fucked up, Like, yeah, why are you
Speaker 1: torturing these people?
Speaker 3: I didn't understand the point, Like, yeah, I just really
Speaker 3: didn't understand the point, to be quite honest, it was
Speaker 3: it was just it was just it was just messed
Speaker 3: up to me.
Speaker 1: I did like the fact that the lady got away.
Speaker 3: And in that cause you know, everything that happened later,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just didn't. I didn't understand. I know,
Speaker 3: he said I'm talking to my father, which I thought
Speaker 3: was a good reveal later. Yeah, that's just kind of
Speaker 3: what what I was thinking. It just seemed very unnecessary.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I just didn't understand, like why you would go and
Speaker 3: kill other civilians.
Speaker 4: It was unnecessary, you know what I What I liked
Speaker 4: is when he was having dinner, she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you guys gonna leave. It was like, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 4: kill you guys first and then we're gonna leave. The
Speaker 4: other thing that I thought was interesting was you can
Speaker 4: see sort of a reluctance by the other Jimmies to
Speaker 4: do certain things. You know, like when the girl got
Speaker 4: up to dance, it didn't look like she really wanted
Speaker 4: to get up and do that dance, like she just
Speaker 4: it looked like she was just doing it because it's Jimmy,
Speaker 4: and Jimmy does crazy, weird things to people. So the
Speaker 4: tearing of the shirt was just or the taking off
Speaker 4: the shirt or whatever he called it was just him
Speaker 4: just almost like keeping them in line because Jimmy's full
Speaker 4: of shit, you know. And and most of them were around, well,
Speaker 4: there were a couple that believed it, but other words
Speaker 4: just were Therefore it seemed like one or two were
Speaker 4: therefore survive. At least one was just this is the
Speaker 4: way I'm serting to Savib because being on my own
Speaker 4: isn't isn't isn't working. So I think for me, it
Speaker 4: was just a way for him to kind of sell
Speaker 4: this whole cult thing that he has going on to
Speaker 4: other people.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So I slightly disagree with you. I do think
Speaker 1: that Jimmy believes it. I think that Sir Jimmy believes it. Yes,
Speaker 1: So he said so throughout the film, and this is
Speaker 1: just one of those things of I just happened. You know.
Speaker 1: He kept saying old Nick, Old Nick, Old Nick, Old Nick,
Speaker 1: and that's not a common thing. But I only know
Speaker 1: who it is because there's a band I like called
Speaker 1: Old Nick, and I have an Old Nick shirt. And
Speaker 1: I didn't not know that Old Nick is actually a
Speaker 1: European name for Satan. So when he kept saying my
Speaker 1: father is Old Nick and you need to please Old Nick,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this fool thinks his dad is Satan.
Speaker 1: So when he's doing all of these things, it's very
Speaker 1: much like the Manson family. They're going out and they're
Speaker 1: just killing people seemingly needlessly. But if he thinks his
Speaker 1: dad is Old Nick and this pleases Old Nick, then
Speaker 1: that's why he's doing it. They're basically killing people and
Speaker 1: flaying people because it is pleasing to Satan. And I
Speaker 1: do think that Jimmy did believe that. We'll get to why.
Speaker 1: I get why you think he's full of shit. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that later. But I thought the interesting thing
Speaker 1: about this whole thing was him calling it a charity.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure in the last review I did
Speaker 1: bring up that these people were based after this guy
Speaker 1: that I didn't know anything about. His name was Jimmy Savile.
Speaker 1: He was some like media star. Everyone loved him till
Speaker 1: he died and they found that he was abusing kids.
Speaker 1: He was known for charity work. So them calling what
Speaker 1: they're doing to people, which is actually abuse, them calling
Speaker 1: it charity work is more just like a shot at
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Sapple thing. So I again, I thought that
Speaker 1: ship was super super, super interesting, and I thought that
Speaker 1: the fucking peeling of the skin was like, bro, they're
Speaker 1: still alive, especially the woman like you see just oh
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, this ship is tight, tight, tight,
Speaker 1: this ship tight as.
Speaker 3: What be talking about. You'd be like, this ship tight.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to the Nigga ship and.
Speaker 1: This isn't real.
Speaker 3: If this, Jimmy. If somebody made a glorified crazy it
Speaker 3: was it like that. They showed it, but didn't show
Speaker 3: all of it.
Speaker 1: Enough exactly. Because you see them peeling the skin off
Speaker 1: and just throwing it on the ground. I'm like, god damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you see it in another scene too, because
Speaker 3: it was like a face pilled at some.
Speaker 1: Point and I didn't catch what that was. Wasn't that
Speaker 1: before this part? Though?
Speaker 3: It was before this. I see it before, but then
Speaker 3: you don't realize why why? But now you see they've
Speaker 3: been doing that ship to other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like an animal was licking at or something.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, what's the deal with the mask?
Speaker 1: Remind me of walking whip with Alpha? Oh ship? Damn?
Speaker 1: I didn't even connect that all right. So Jimmy offers
Speaker 1: Tom the chance to become one of his fingers by
Speaker 1: killing one of the other fingers. That way he'll avoid
Speaker 1: getting flayed. So Tom chooses to fight one of the
Speaker 1: female fingers named Jemima or Jemima. What did you'll think about? Uh? Tom,
Speaker 1: it was I think it was it gotta be it
Speaker 1: gotta be jim some jim Mima, I'm pretty sure, but
Speaker 1: what you think how that fight went.
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting because he picked her because
Speaker 3: she thought she was the weakest obviously or whatnot.
Speaker 1: And that ship did not playing his favorite at all.
Speaker 3: It ain't even they ain't waste no time like they
Speaker 3: were just like you about you up, light work, right,
Speaker 3: she about to fuck you up?
Speaker 1: So now, yeah, I thought that was good.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was even better when the I
Speaker 3: guess the wife or woman that was pregnant hit her
Speaker 3: with the the ship because you don't see it, you
Speaker 3: don't see it, you just hear it.
Speaker 1: I was like, god, damn my cat kitty feline a stroke, right,
Speaker 1: and then her nose starts bleeding, like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And then they revealed that that ship was in her
Speaker 1: head all like yo, man, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: The direction of all of this was was this this
Speaker 3: moment of the film right here. They they executed this masterfully,
Speaker 3: like the way they did this scene. Yeah, I I
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the scene. It was a good, good film work.
Speaker 4: Right here, and really kind of smart to keep the
Speaker 4: kid out. So now all of that of a sudden
Speaker 4: that makes sense. He runs out, he's throwing up. The
Speaker 4: other person comes back after scouting and We're like, all right,
Speaker 4: I'll stay out you because if he was in there,
Speaker 4: he would have been chosen. So yeah, so having him
Speaker 4: away from this, you know, and let her be the
Speaker 4: one that looked like the weakest made sense. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's gonna try to fight this kid, and there's no
Speaker 4: way this kid gonna win.
Speaker 1: But I forgot he was outside, so.
Speaker 3: And I went if the other finger knew that that
Speaker 3: this is disinitiation was about to go down and he's
Speaker 3: probably gonna end up getting picked. Which other finger, the
Speaker 3: one that was out there with with uh what's his name?
Speaker 1: Spike? Yeah, no, she she she had gone to scout,
Speaker 1: but she never took she never took nick uh Nick
Speaker 1: Spike back in. So I wanted she knew the whole time, like, no,
Speaker 1: it's best for you to stay out here. Oh, I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, oh okay, because she knew that at the
Speaker 4: end it is he was going to have him pick
Speaker 4: somebody to fight.
Speaker 1: If you bring your ass and then you're gonna die,
Speaker 1: you're gonna choose. I didn't think about that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you may be right.
Speaker 4: Man knows the ritual or the process. So that is
Speaker 4: interesting that would add an extra element to it.
Speaker 1: But I was one. I was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: she's gonna be an easy exit. Bro, I did too,
Speaker 1: that would have been too easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I didn't know she was gonna be
Speaker 4: that nice with it.
Speaker 1: That was the thing that got almost like she was
Speaker 1: the best fighter. Yeah, and they're talking ship to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know why you picked me. This ain't what you want.
Speaker 1: It ain't what you think. It is what you got.
Speaker 1: The little wings on my back and see me doing
Speaker 1: that little dance you thought you.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if somebody, well Muhammad Ali used
Speaker 4: to do that ship said dance, motherfucker, whoop your ass,
Speaker 4: get your ass and dancing on it. But and then
Speaker 4: now now that we're talking about I was like, and
Speaker 4: I think she was. She was like she was actually
Speaker 4: pretending and looking like she didn't want to be picked,
Speaker 4: but she wanted to.
Speaker 1: Be picked the whole time. She felt like killing the motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that ship was tight.
Speaker 3: And that was another thing I wanted to point out
Speaker 3: about this scene. Oh yeah, when when the other fingers
Speaker 3: outside and she's just like, you know, don't sound like
Speaker 3: normal scream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went back and forth that ship was That
Speaker 1: ship was cool? I did pick up on that because
Speaker 1: I put that down because the after after Jemima is killed, Uh,
Speaker 1: Tom is all fucked up. He's been stabbed a few times,
Speaker 1: but he's able to grab a propane tank and starts
Speaker 1: earning motherfuckers in there. So I thought that was dope.
Speaker 1: But that causes the whole place to burn down. Where
Speaker 1: did he get the spark from? There? Was there was
Speaker 1: a fire something on the desk Okay, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what it was, but there was either a lighter
Speaker 1: or something. There was something on the desk that he
Speaker 1: pointed the propane tank at and then just started using
Speaker 1: it like a fucking flame. They were asking the same
Speaker 1: thing to get that ship from. Yeah, that was so.
Speaker 1: That was good. This part was great. But uh so, yes,
Speaker 1: they go outside. A couple of the fingers have now
Speaker 1: been burned to death. Uh, Sir Jimmy tells Spike to
Speaker 1: go get Kathy because he saw Kathy getting away. What
Speaker 1: do y'all think about what happened between Spike and Kathy.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was gonna happen either. Thought she
Speaker 2: was gonna take the She pushed a ship out of Spike.
Speaker 2: She was right, Bro, don't trust I don't know you.
Speaker 4: But it's so it's so like counter anti movie, like
Speaker 4: it's anti to what you're seeing movie, Like this is
Speaker 4: this kid, this kid clearly like doesn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: He had his guard down and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he like he's a child like you would
Speaker 4: think she would be she's pregnant, would be sympathetically.
Speaker 1: I don't know him, bro, Man, it was good.
Speaker 3: I was not expecting that at all. When she punched
Speaker 3: that little motherfucker fell over.
Speaker 1: Its like, are you serious? Yeah, yeah, I'm serious. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm out. I did not know you. No, this was
Speaker 1: this was this was well done to me.
Speaker 3: This was super well done to be. It was um
Speaker 3: ship I couldn't catch a break.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
Speaker 4: He was on a rough day the rest of the movie. Actually,
Speaker 4: that's just fund out there in a while. He could
Speaker 4: have took his ass home, bro, from the first movie
Speaker 4: out there period, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: She never took his at the beginning. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you bought this song. So the other female, Jimmy
Speaker 1: who I don't know if she had a name. I
Speaker 1: saw people calling her Jimmy Ink, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if they ever said that. They did call her in
Speaker 1: the movie. Okay, So the other female, Jimmy Jimmy Ink,
Speaker 1: was sent out earlier to go scout for a new
Speaker 1: place for them to attack, but she ran across Kelson
Speaker 1: talking to Samson. So as Sir Jimmy is debating Spike's
Speaker 1: punishment for not bringing Kathy back, she decides to tell
Speaker 1: them about Kelson, who she's convinced is Satan. So they
Speaker 1: trecked his place. They don't say yet, but she's calling
Speaker 1: old Nick but I knew what she meant. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's actually kind of cool once you get the reveal.
Speaker 1: But so they go to his place where they all
Speaker 1: witness uh Kelson in the Bone Temple. So Sir Jimmy
Speaker 1: tells the crew that Kelson is indeed his father, but
Speaker 1: he needs to go talk to him first before everybody
Speaker 1: else does. So where'd y'all think of thevo between Kelson
Speaker 1: and Sir Jimmy?
Speaker 3: This was good, This is good and I and it
Speaker 3: was interesting to see him like, yeah, this motherfucker, what's.
Speaker 1: Going on with this nig over here? Like like you
Speaker 1: start sitting when you talking about bullshit or whatever.
Speaker 3: Now you see like, Okay, maybe he is on some
Speaker 3: bullshit because he doesn't know, and then even the Jimmy
Speaker 3: ink can catch on, like, Yo, why this motherfucker I
Speaker 3: don't know about this place if he's so connected to
Speaker 3: Nick or whatever.
Speaker 1: But but nah, I like this. I like this moment.
Speaker 1: This is good.
Speaker 3: Good too, Like the conversation between them both the only
Speaker 3: things that I didn't feel like they showed that Kelson
Speaker 3: filled his life the way he said he did.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem that way to me.
Speaker 4: I think Kelson is just very You don't survive that
Speaker 4: long without being very self aware. So I think he
Speaker 4: realized that Jimmy was a threat and that he was
Speaker 4: gonna do what he could to appease him to preserve
Speaker 4: his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I never because Kelson is being able to survive
Speaker 3: this long.
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I didn't see because he said that.
Speaker 3: In the narration that you know, first time he filled
Speaker 3: his life like this, And I just didn't feel like
Speaker 3: if he known about Jimmy.
Speaker 1: You're saying, just how how he came across his demeanor,
Speaker 1: how you look.
Speaker 3: You you didn't see it like I could see if
Speaker 3: you heard stories about Jamie and be.
Speaker 1: A big dig zombie for like a movie in years.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be more scared of that, but he wasn't.
Speaker 4: He probably numbed him to everything. He was like shit
Speaker 4: and I survived that. I ain't worried about this.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. But that's not That's not
Speaker 3: what what the narrative was. And there was that he
Speaker 3: filled his life, and I'm just like, hu, that's that that.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like Jimmy was enough for him to
Speaker 1: fear his life that way. I don't remember if Jimmy
Speaker 1: ever said his name. I think he did, And if
Speaker 1: he did, then that would explain why Kelson would have
Speaker 1: been a bit fearful because if you remember in the
Speaker 1: first one, remember the zombie they run across that's been
Speaker 1: hung upside down and have the Jimmy carved in him,
Speaker 1: and then there's throughout the film there's graffiti about Jimmy.
Speaker 1: So if Kelson has been collecting the bodies and he's
Speaker 1: been seeing all this stuff, and if this guy walks
Speaker 1: up and he's like, my name is Jimmy, and then
Speaker 1: he says, look, if you don't do this, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fucking kill you and I'm gonna stuff your intestines down
Speaker 1: your throat. That would be enough for Kelson to be like,
Speaker 1: well fuck, Becausekelson's extremely smart. So that would explain why
Speaker 1: Kelson would be like, fuck, that's that guy. This is
Speaker 1: the guy that's been going around doing this shit. So
Speaker 1: maybe I should believe him. That's the only baal I
Speaker 1: can give it. Otherwise, I'm with you. Why would he
Speaker 1: automatically just think this guy is really that much that threat?
Speaker 3: But also, Kelson's not a fighter. He's not a fighter,
Speaker 3: but like you said, he's very smart. And this motherfucker
Speaker 3: has like fucking what do you call the ships.
Speaker 1: The morphine harpoons harpoons and ship like you this motherfucker
Speaker 1: run up, get done up. Not by Kelson, though, yeah
Speaker 1: you motherfucker harpoos. He hit him from a distance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a morphine harpoon is not gonna do it be
Speaker 1: a morphine when it'll be a kill shot. Was gonna
Speaker 1: gill Sampson. That was just an overdose I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna give.
Speaker 3: What I think is that because he's a doctor, he
Speaker 3: could easily get him like syringe, Like, mother fuck you
Speaker 3: run up and when you want to.
Speaker 1: Poke your ass, but he not if he's not a fighter,
Speaker 1: and if he has a whole crew of other people,
Speaker 1: because because he says I'm gonna get but you don't
Speaker 1: see him. Yeah, but I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: been smart for Kelson. Just think this dude is lying
Speaker 1: because otherwise, why would he lie about having a crew,
Speaker 1: because that's the whole point. I'm going to get my
Speaker 1: crew and I'm bringing him back here. I feel you.
Speaker 3: So he knows he has a crew, Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 3: And you don't know how big that crew is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean sure, yeah, it could.
Speaker 1: It could be a situation like that. It was.
Speaker 4: It was It was good because I you know, I
Speaker 4: think you saw both of them kind of in their element,
Speaker 4: very calm.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody's yelling, nobody's screaming.
Speaker 4: You know, even the way he said it, just just
Speaker 4: like he told the family, It was like, yeah, if
Speaker 4: you don't do it, you know, this is what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do to you.
Speaker 3: And I like how Kelson was questioning him, So you think, say,
Speaker 3: so you believe that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was like, oh, this is interesting, is you?
Speaker 4: And I think with Kelson being smart, he also understands
Speaker 4: how colts work, and if this guy's talking like this,
Speaker 4: then it was like, all right, well, I don't want
Speaker 4: to take any chances, so if this is my best
Speaker 4: odds to survival, then I'll just go along with him.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll just leave. Yeah, he'll probably keep me alive
Speaker 4: because he may need to come back. But this is
Speaker 4: also where as you mentioned earlier, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this motherfucker just full of shit, because even when they
Speaker 4: were on top of the hill and he was looking
Speaker 4: like fuck, that's not what I thought it was. But
Speaker 4: I got to keep them believing this con, so I
Speaker 4: need to go down here to set this whole thing up.
Speaker 1: Shit hmm. I think this part was the only part
Speaker 1: that was a con. The rest of it wasn't a con.
Speaker 1: But he saw that they weren't believing. They weren't believing.
Speaker 4: But then the reason why pause was because of the
Speaker 4: last thing.
Speaker 1: That was part of the thing, part.
Speaker 4: Of the whole act that he asked that Old Nick
Speaker 4: was telling them to do, build a following and stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: So now I'm wondering. But now it just.
Speaker 4: Looked like it looked like he had doubt. He looked
Speaker 4: like he was like fuck, Like, I came across something
Speaker 4: that they think is Saint Nick. So now I gotta
Speaker 4: go down here and convince them up Saint Nick that
Speaker 4: this is Old Nick in order to keep this act alive,
Speaker 4: because if they find out this guy isn't who Old Nick,
Speaker 4: then they won't fear me anymore. I would have I
Speaker 4: would not have power. So that's why I thought he
Speaker 4: was just bullshit.
Speaker 3: I did like that we got to reveal on this
Speaker 3: that's what we found out, Old Nick was the Satan.
Speaker 3: And then I started thinking about I know it's in
Speaker 3: the movie You've probably never seen, but Adam Sandler Little Nikki,
Speaker 3: you ever seen that.
Speaker 1: I've seen it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they refer to Satan as NICKI in that
Speaker 3: show in that movie, in that movie, and I was like, oh, well, duh,
Speaker 3: that's what he was talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again, I don't I don't think that Jimmy
Speaker 1: was bullshitting the whole time. I think Jimmy, which again,
Speaker 1: there's there's something he says later on that definitely solidified
Speaker 1: that he did think his father was Satan. But I
Speaker 1: think that this is the only part where the con
Speaker 1: comes in. He's like, well, they think that that's Satan.
Speaker 1: I can use this to my advantage because I have
Speaker 1: to keep a hold on this crew and I can't
Speaker 1: prove what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing. But if
Speaker 1: they think I can, then this is going to keep
Speaker 1: them loyal. So this is that's where the con comes in.
Speaker 1: But a quick aside before they can go meet Satan
Speaker 1: spiked side to sneak away, and then that other guy
Speaker 1: runs over and tries to catch him, and then Jemima
Speaker 1: comes over and saves him unless oh sorry, yes, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Ink comes over and saves him. Did y'all recognize Jimmy Ink?
Speaker 1: By the way, that was the girl from the uh,
Speaker 1: the Hawkeye show, the flag smasher girl, the one that
Speaker 1: Nixon has racist teeth. That's funny, that is. I know
Speaker 1: she looked familiar, but I couldn't. I couldn't. I did too,
Speaker 1: And second I got home, I was like, I have
Speaker 1: to go see who this girl is because looks the
Speaker 1: only thing I thought was interesting. It's not really a lie.
Speaker 4: I was like, it was just her saying like, no,
Speaker 4: I've been out there, I know what it's like to
Speaker 4: not have a crew. This is the best way to survive. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And that's why I was. And at this point I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, she just she just she don't believe
Speaker 4: this ship either. Until later, but I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: you don't believe this. You just here because you don't
Speaker 4: have anybody else to protect you, and you're just trying to.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I think she believed to a certain degree. I think
Speaker 3: she had her doubts.
Speaker 1: I think she believed in Satan, but she had a
Speaker 1: doubt that Jimmy was really his son.
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, yeah, okay, okay, now connecting it all together, okay.
Speaker 1: But I think they all believed in the Satan part.
Speaker 1: They definitely all believed that because when she saw him,
Speaker 1: that's the first thing she thought. She's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's Satan. That's the guy that Jimmy's been talking about. So,
Speaker 1: Sir Jimmy takes the other fingers to meet with old
Speaker 1: Nick slash Satan slash Kelson. What did y'all think of
Speaker 1: the scene? This is where he comes out he does
Speaker 1: the musical number to Iron Maiden.
Speaker 4: That shit was, Hey, man, I gotta give it to Kelsey, Bro,
Speaker 4: You're right, smartestle the hell of her performer. Bro, He's
Speaker 4: so that ship all the way the hell of a
Speaker 4: show man. He could not wait and we saw the
Speaker 4: whole movie. Rod he had been practicing the working on routine. Yeah, said,
Speaker 4: this is my moment.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: When he came out and he had this thing bro
Speaker 4: with the little I don't know what that was.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this guy is all in. Yeah
Speaker 1: that ship.
Speaker 3: Even Jimmy was like, all right, damn, I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. It was. It was a good act.
Speaker 1: It was definitely a good act.
Speaker 4: And just seeing them all dance to it, this was
Speaker 4: when I was like, oh, ship, they actually do believe this.
Speaker 4: When I saw Jimmy, Ink was like, oh ship, Jimmy's
Speaker 4: believe that ship. Or maybe this was the point she
Speaker 4: was like, oh ship, this ship is real. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe she had her doubts, maybe her faith was question
Speaker 4: and then when she saw this, she was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this ship is actually fucking real. So I'm back on board.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But and then, so here's what I thought he was
Speaker 4: doing when he blew the ship in their face. I
Speaker 4: thought he was actually using that to knock them out
Speaker 4: and that's how he was going.
Speaker 3: To escape high But yeah, he was just getting oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: hallucinating a little bit Yeah, it just helped with the
Speaker 3: with the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I thought the show was to get them
Speaker 4: to lower their goal art so he can blow whatever.
Speaker 4: This stuff was poison or something in my mind at
Speaker 4: the time, and it wasn't to get them high. It
Speaker 4: was just to kind of make them fall out or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 3: And See, that's what I'm saying when I say that
Speaker 3: he's smart, he's he's a doctor.
Speaker 1: He can conjure up.
Speaker 3: Something not conjured, but he could create something that that would,
Speaker 3: you know, basically kill him if he wanted to, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So that's why I was saying, like,
Speaker 3: is he does he feel like his life is threatened?
Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't think he had, So I get
Speaker 4: what you're saying. I don't think he had the things
Speaker 4: he needed to kill him to create that concoction.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. Yeah, so I disagree
Speaker 1: with that. Oh remember Memento Maury, and then remember the
Speaker 1: what he said to Spike in the last film. Kelson
Speaker 1: doesn't want to kill anybody. Kelson believes that life is precious.
Speaker 1: He's like Morgan from Walking Down. So he didn't want
Speaker 1: to kill anybody. He just wanted them to leave. He
Speaker 1: only changed his mind when they started talking about killing people.
Speaker 1: Then he was like, oh, fuck, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: But as far as this scene goes, this is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest scenes I've seen in the movie in years.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was in the theater by myself because
Speaker 1: I was fucking singing the whole because I was like,
Speaker 1: first of all, the cinematography was amazing, the choreography was amazing,
Speaker 1: but this song choice was so perfect.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was wondering because I know a lot of
Speaker 3: times people don't get that right for you.
Speaker 1: No, they got this perfect. But I was wondering they
Speaker 1: got this some right for you. The reason they got
Speaker 1: this so right And again, if this was near the
Speaker 1: Costa's decision, you are fucking brilliant, because first of all,
Speaker 1: this is one of the greatest metal songs of all time.
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and get that out the way, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest Iron Maiden songs, one of the greatest
Speaker 1: heavy metal songs ever written. People cheering when they saw it,
Speaker 1: bru I was like, yo, let's go. They was excited
Speaker 1: about it. Here's the brilliant part about this. On surface,
Speaker 1: it's just some guy saying six six six, the Number
Speaker 1: of the Beast. But the song is not really about
Speaker 1: Satan if you read the lyrics, it's about a person
Speaker 1: losing their grip with reality. He says. Uh, he says,
Speaker 1: just what I saw in mild dreams? Were they reflections
Speaker 1: of my warped mind staring back at me. That goes
Speaker 1: to this movie, because in my dreams, they're always there,
Speaker 1: the evil the evil face that twists my mind and
Speaker 1: brings me to despair. This is the movie that shit like,
Speaker 1: I hear that ship. But okay, if you if you
Speaker 1: actually sat down and read the lyrics for this song,
Speaker 1: and then you would get why I think that this
Speaker 1: is a brilliant, brilliant, fucking They could have picked anything.
Speaker 1: They could have picked Metallica, they could have picked Slayer,
Speaker 1: they could have picked anything. Oh god, yeah this wasn't this.
Speaker 1: But the second I saw when he went into his
Speaker 1: bunker and he picked up the Number of the Beast album,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, that is fucking brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 1: So yes, I was in the fucking theater like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is this is too good man.
Speaker 3: I blessed this to eleven or something like that. He said,
Speaker 3: I forgot the number he said, but he was he's going.
Speaker 1: To that's a reference to like spinal tap amplifiers guitar,
Speaker 1: and in spinal Tap they're like, Noah, turn that ship
Speaker 1: up to eleven. So that's always been like a heavy
Speaker 1: metal turn your ship up to eleven as possible.
Speaker 3: So I was like, why did he say it specifically?
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's why. So I love little details like that. After
Speaker 1: the song, Kelson tries to move forward with the plan
Speaker 1: to pretended he's Satan and send the Fingers off, which
Speaker 1: to kind of give the Fingers a renewed trust in
Speaker 1: Sir Jimmy. However, Kelson realizes that that is Spike, and
Speaker 1: he changes his mind about the plan because he realized
Speaker 1: they're about to go off and kill other people. Now
Speaker 1: this is where I think things get real heady. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start with Ken because I want Rob to think
Speaker 1: about this for a minute. So, Ken, what did you
Speaker 1: think about what went down in this scene when he
Speaker 1: asked him to sacrifice himself? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know that's where he was going to go.
Speaker 4: I thought initially he was going to say my last command,
Speaker 4: and Jimmy's face was like.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about No, I think that's it.
Speaker 1: You know. I thought he was gonna say was to
Speaker 1: leave the kid, leave Spike with me. I did too,
Speaker 1: I did too. I didn't think he.
Speaker 4: Was gonna be like, nah, you need to kill yourself,
Speaker 4: which is also interesting because he doesn't want to kill people.
Speaker 4: So you know, if you're asking somebody to kill yourself,
Speaker 4: commit suicide, what do you think about that? But nevertheless,
Speaker 4: but I think it was also a way to get
Speaker 4: rid of the threat because this guy was saying that
Speaker 4: because Jimmy added on, I wanted to increase my my.
Speaker 1: Thus Jimmy added to multiple hands.
Speaker 4: Jimmy added that ship on later right in the moment.
Speaker 4: That wasn't part of the script either. So yeah, because
Speaker 4: you can see him getting concerned, so tying all this
Speaker 4: in about him not wanting people to die blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: it made it made additional sense because he looked concerned
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: But when he saw Spike, he was like, this is
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 4: But asking him to kill himself, you know, was one
Speaker 4: of a test of faith. And then I think it
Speaker 4: would also make them question Jimmy as well, because it
Speaker 4: was like, well, Ship, if you won't kill yourself and
Speaker 4: you're telling us all this bullshit about old Nick. Then
Speaker 4: do you actually have the faith that you say you
Speaker 4: have if you won't go through to act yourself and
Speaker 4: this is your father, this is Satan. We know the religion,
Speaker 4: but you're not following that. You're not following the script yourself.
Speaker 4: And it also revealed that he was he was Bush.
Speaker 1: And the whole time too.
Speaker 4: So definitely a very interesting turn that I did not
Speaker 4: see coming at all.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize they said kill you. I didn't realize
Speaker 3: he said told Jimmy to kill himself. I thought he
Speaker 3: was telling okay, he.
Speaker 1: Told he told the fingers that he needed to be sacrificed. Yes,
Speaker 1: because he's supposed to be my son. I want him
Speaker 1: to be sacrificed. So he didn't necessarily say to Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I need to go kill yourself, oh ship, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He didn't turn the burner on.
Speaker 3: All cold, just just is just soaking in the water, overcooked.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I didn't. I thought I missed something. That's
Speaker 1: why I ain't stop you or whatever.
Speaker 3: But you gotta cut me off, go ahead, No, but no,
Speaker 3: this was this was an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: Whatever. I didn't I didn't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know where you're going with it, So I'll
Speaker 3: just I'll just defer to you. You're about to let
Speaker 3: the church down, sacrificial lambs. What do you want me
Speaker 3: to say?
Speaker 1: Okay, first thing, Uh, remember I told you what sir
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jimmy Crystal's name is. What are his initials? Then? God,
Speaker 1: damn j C, j C Jesus Christ. Did you notice
Speaker 1: where he stabbed.
Speaker 3: You're talking about like you're talking about when he hung
Speaker 3: him upward tailed him to the Christ.
Speaker 1: He was? Who else was stabbed in the ribs? Jesus?
Speaker 1: You letting the whole church down? Bro? This is why
Speaker 1: Drew keep be doing y'all like this. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. This is crazy. Right after he tells
Speaker 1: him and he needs to be sacrificed, he stabs Kelson unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and then Spike is the one that delivers the death
Speaker 1: blow and he stabs him in the ribs, which is
Speaker 1: the same place that Jesus Christ was stabbed in when
Speaker 1: he was on the cross. But okay, only a few
Speaker 1: more scenes here, fellas, all right, what did you think
Speaker 1: of the conversation between Spike and Kelson? As Kelson was
Speaker 1: dying and this this kind of goes back to I'll
Speaker 1: just tell y'all the momental mory thing, which basically means
Speaker 1: remember death or remember that we all must die. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did did y'all find this part powerful and all? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 3: For sure it was hard seeing Kelson die, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I felt like that's what made it that much more
Speaker 3: impactful and strong of a story.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was.
Speaker 4: Concerned because this whole time, Sampson over there whooping ass.
Speaker 4: So at one point I thought Sampson was going to
Speaker 4: come back through and kind of think, you know, I
Speaker 4: kind of liked that it didn't go that way, but
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of beautiful honestly, him when
Speaker 4: he passes and he's dead, he's with the rest of
Speaker 4: the skulls. So when they kind of, you know, zoomed out,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, that's kind of dope how.
Speaker 1: They did that. So I thought that was that was done.
Speaker 4: You have the whole time Jimmy upside down to my
Speaker 4: wif you forsaken me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's the next part, yes, before you
Speaker 1: get there. Though, I did like.
Speaker 3: That Kelson was able to get the satisfaction of that
Speaker 3: of Samson telling him thank you.
Speaker 1: Before those it worked, so I thought, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was good. I did think that was cool as
Speaker 1: fuck too. But yes, so, as Sir Jimmy is in agony,
Speaker 1: crucified on the cross, Samson shows up and takes Kelson
Speaker 1: away after thanking him. What did y'all think of Sir
Speaker 1: Jimmy's final moments? So, since we already talked about Calson's
Speaker 1: final moments.
Speaker 3: This was satisfying as well for me, like to see him,
Speaker 3: I was. I was surprised they they followed through with this,
Speaker 3: but I thought it was a really really really good
Speaker 3: way to basically kill his character off.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4: I think he just really needs to be around for
Speaker 4: one movie. I think, you know, I expected Samson to
Speaker 4: show up and just rip him apart. Me too, you know,
Speaker 4: because first of all, his supplies cut off, and like
Speaker 4: he said, thank you, you know, he thanked him, so
Speaker 4: he's kind of back to himself.
Speaker 1: But then I also was like, this shit, is he
Speaker 1: reinfected too?
Speaker 4: So I didn't know what was going on, but seeing
Speaker 4: him upside down, thought about why are you forsaking me?
Speaker 4: Et cetera, et cetera, Like is it again now because
Speaker 4: I remember, I'm still thinking it's a con.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, ship is he is he really believing
Speaker 1: that ship I was telling you. Con.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he saw him. He saw.
Speaker 1: So he just got it wrong. Oh.
Speaker 4: So you think when he saw Sampson walking up, he
Speaker 4: thought that was on Nick.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, he saw Samson walking up, he saw him
Speaker 1: as the devil. Because at first I was like, what
Speaker 1: is what is that? And then when he got closer
Speaker 1: and it was I was like, oh, ship, that's him
Speaker 1: seeing Samson as old Nick. Okay, damn, you need to
Speaker 1: rewatch this. Yeah, and you know what, the Father, why
Speaker 1: have you forsaken? Anything comes from right, the Bible? Right,
Speaker 1: the Bible right, you should know. Come on now, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like leaving him on earth to die. But who
Speaker 1: said it? Jesus? Thank you God. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying yes, yeah, so yeah, so Jesus says
Speaker 1: this while he's dying on the cross, this whole Father.
Speaker 1: But remember in the first movie, well the first twenty
Speaker 1: eight years later, Sir Jimmy says it when he's under
Speaker 1: the ground and he sees his actual father getting killed.
Speaker 1: Y'all remember that part at the beginning of the film
Speaker 1: or whatever. Do remember he says, Father, why have you
Speaker 1: forsaken me? So now we're getting a repeat of that scene.
Speaker 1: But here's the ship that fucked me up. Are y'all
Speaker 1: familiar with Saint Peter? Okay, go ahead, only again. The
Speaker 1: only reason I know is because I'm a nerd. But
Speaker 1: Saint Peter was one of the people that was crucified
Speaker 1: on a cross upside down. Oh oh oh wait, No,
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah, there were very few
Speaker 1: people that were done that way, but he was one
Speaker 1: of the ones that were. He was crucified upside down.
Speaker 1: So I had to write this part down because this
Speaker 1: shit was bugging me. St Peter, who I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What did he do? He was one of Jesus's first apostles.
Speaker 1: Jesus called him and his brother Andrew to be fishers
Speaker 1: of men and this is a term used by Jesus
Speaker 1: to call for his flock. Wait term used by Jesus
Speaker 1: to call his flock. Instead of catching fish, they would
Speaker 1: catch people for God by sharing the gospel, bringing them
Speaker 1: into the Christian faith and making disciples. And it means
Speaker 1: actively spreading the message of Jesus to lead others to
Speaker 1: faith and eternal life. Who does that sound like? Does
Speaker 1: that not sound like Sir Jimmy? It does. It's the
Speaker 1: same ship that Sir Jimmy was doing. And they crucified
Speaker 1: Saint Peter upside down. They crucified Sir Jimmy.
Speaker 4: It's a smart movie, uh, which is great because I
Speaker 4: like smart movies like that. Like you said, those little details,
Speaker 4: the thing about it that sit in the Saint Peter
Speaker 4: in the Bible.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Saint peters in the Bible the
Speaker 1: Dead Sea scrolls next to g anywhere you got it
Speaker 1: there the extended version of the Bible, like the Lossya scrolls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he might have been hold on.
Speaker 4: So they edited. We need to take that out. We
Speaker 4: on need that story of Saint Peter, uh, snatching up people, right,
Speaker 4: we need to change the fish or something. We can't
Speaker 4: have taking up snatching up people. No, it ain't how
Speaker 4: doesn't need to go.
Speaker 1: Saint Peter's in the Bible.
Speaker 3: He's in the New Testament being hung upside Matthew, Mark, Luke,
Speaker 3: and John but crucified us side down.
Speaker 1: He's in. He's one of the few people that was
Speaker 1: crucified upside down. Mm hmm. Damn. They didn't teach me nothing.
Speaker 4: And in Sunday School Ride, I didn't get that lesson
Speaker 4: get down and that I remember.
Speaker 1: Ye Oh, I didn't know this part. He was crucified
Speaker 1: upside down in Rome at his own request as he
Speaker 1: felt unworthy to die in the same manner as Jesus. So, so,
Speaker 1: who's from you upside down? Hm? Wow? Yep, the acts
Speaker 1: of Saint Peter. And it's symbolized by the inverted cross
Speaker 1: that humility. Oh no, Jesus Christ. No, because it's in
Speaker 1: the Old Testament, isn't it. I can't remember. Well, anyways,
Speaker 1: I thought that shit blew my mind. That shit blew
Speaker 1: my fucking mind. I was like, this movie is very
Speaker 1: is it's doing a lot of detail. But this now, again,
Speaker 1: this is just me saying this shit. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is really what they were thinking, but I
Speaker 1: can't imagine the fucking coincidence. So this is the last scene.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Basically, the movie ends with us seeing Jim from twenty
Speaker 1: eight days later and his daughter Sam talking before seeing
Speaker 1: Spike and Jimmy Ink whose name is actually Kelly, running
Speaker 1: from some infected and the movie ends with Jim going
Speaker 1: out there and Sam asking are you going to help them?
Speaker 1: And he says of course, and then it ends. So
Speaker 1: what did y'all think of how it ended?
Speaker 3: No, I thought that was that was especially knowing that
Speaker 3: that's and I had an inkling that that might have
Speaker 3: been the guy like somebody from the first movie. But
Speaker 3: now it's when I looked up to Selena girl, I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, of course it was him, but he
Speaker 3: was younger obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was like, oh man, that is a
Speaker 3: really really nice detail. So, yeah, they're franchising this out,
Speaker 3: but now I like it. I like it though.
Speaker 1: It makes me interested to see what's gonna happen next.
Speaker 1: They're doing three, right, they're doing one more hopefully after
Speaker 1: that they end this because I don't want them to
Speaker 1: funck this up.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that made the ending better because
Speaker 4: it feels like there's a progression for me in terms
Speaker 4: of like the movies getting better.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I ever rewatched the first one. I wanted to
Speaker 4: rewatch it before I went I saw.
Speaker 5: This one, but because I feel it overboard with that
Speaker 5: first one, well, they cleaned it up, but I felt
Speaker 5: like it would have been I felt like watching him
Speaker 5: like that would have really added to it.
Speaker 1: I just I regretted, but I had limited window. I
Speaker 1: didn't have enough time.
Speaker 4: But anyway, but I'm like, okay, I like this one
Speaker 4: more than the first one. And I said, I it's
Speaker 4: an I got.
Speaker 1: I'm with him coming back.
Speaker 4: I said, I should like the third one, so I
Speaker 4: hopefully so. I like where they're going with it in
Speaker 4: terms of connecting all of these and you know, with
Speaker 4: with bringing him.
Speaker 1: Back, because I'm starting to dig him.
Speaker 4: As an actor watching him in Peeka Blinders and stuff,
Speaker 4: so you know he's really good. Yeah yeah, and going
Speaker 4: to help them, which is you know, I think and
Speaker 4: she left people uh Kathy, Kathy, Well that guy got
Speaker 4: himself killed. But tying you back to the first one
Speaker 4: where you know, what was the lady's name where Nicole,
Speaker 4: when she said will we help somebody if they're in trouble,
Speaker 4: they were like no, yeah, yeah, he was like, of.
Speaker 1: Course we're gonna help, which I'm surprised why.
Speaker 4: Because that exposes them Huh, that exposes them to risk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's always been his personality. He wants to help.
Speaker 1: He does not want to see people die, and I
Speaker 1: think that that is setting up what's gonna happen in
Speaker 1: the next film, because just like you said, Kathy left
Speaker 1: and that is not Kathy's m o. Kathy's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not fucking risking my life for y'all motherfuckers, even though
Speaker 1: she kind of did by throwing that hook into that
Speaker 1: chick's head. But there there understanding of how the world
Speaker 1: works is if I see somebody dying or getting attacked,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go help you. But Jim's his motto
Speaker 1: has always been I'm going to help because even in
Speaker 1: the first one, he could have just bounced and left
Speaker 1: Selena and the other girl whose name I can't remember
Speaker 1: from the first film. He could have left both of
Speaker 1: them there and just left, but he didn't. He came
Speaker 1: back and almost died to free them. So when they
Speaker 1: showed I heard his voice and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: that's Jim. That's Jim. And when he walked on screen,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, come on, bro, let's go. Let's go.
Speaker 1: And even though I don't always love cliffhanger movies, I
Speaker 1: thought the Cliffhanger was perfect.
Speaker 4: It was it was good, it was perfect, it was good.
Speaker 4: Did they ate him up a little bit? So that's
Speaker 4: how he looked like, Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean twenty eight days later came out and two
Speaker 1: thousand something two thousand one.
Speaker 4: So you know what I forgot about and you just
Speaker 4: said it, I bro I forgot.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen Kathy since she left right out the
Speaker 1: gate two thousand and two. But the two that are
Speaker 1: in trouble, that Spike and Jimmy in Okay, all right, yeah,
Speaker 1: make sure. So we don't know where Kathy's at. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have no idea whe Kathy's at, but there's no
Speaker 1: way they introduce Kathy and they're not going to bring
Speaker 1: her back. So I think in the next film she's
Speaker 1: gonna come back for her get back. Damn.
Speaker 4: That's kind that's actually kind of cool that Kathy left
Speaker 4: and we don't know where she at.
Speaker 1: Damn. That's that's that's actually a pretty good world. But
Speaker 1: I like that. Wait, so it's Kathy from the first
Speaker 1: one too, Okay, right, Well, we don't know anything about
Speaker 1: Kathy except what we saw in this film. Okay, so
Speaker 1: right now we have Kathy, we have jim and his daughter.
Speaker 1: We don't know where Selena is, and we don't know
Speaker 1: if the other little girl from the first twenty eight
Speaker 1: days Later, we don't know if she is around either, right,
Speaker 1: we only see Jim and his daughter, right, his daughters
Speaker 1: clearly from from Selena. I mean unless he went and
Speaker 1: got Hi, another black woman, but that's unlikely. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then and then we still have the village people, right,
Speaker 1: the village. Yes, yes, because we did not go. We
Speaker 1: did not back at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm was surprised they didn't. We didn't revisit that
Speaker 3: at all. It's just we just have Spike yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And y'all. Did we talk about the fact that that
Speaker 1: who the actor is that plays Sir Jimmy. No, that's
Speaker 1: the same dude that was in Sinners. Oh shit, I
Speaker 1: did look that up. I didn't remember him, but it's crazy.
Speaker 1: That was the main white guy, the main vampire who
Speaker 1: was also I think his name was cult in skins Uk,
Speaker 1: which I have said probably one hundred fifty times on
Speaker 1: the show that everybody needs to watch because it's fucking
Speaker 1: incredible skins Uk. A lot of the best actors you
Speaker 1: know come from that show. But yes, man, this this
Speaker 1: shit was fucking great. I cannot wait for the third one, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why you like it as much as you do? It's
Speaker 1: so much better than the first one. It's so much
Speaker 1: better than the first one. The story is better, the
Speaker 1: directing is better. I'm glad nead A Costa got to
Speaker 1: do this because her name was not held in high
Speaker 1: regard after the Marvels. But she came back and was like, no,
Speaker 1: let me show y'all motherfuckers what I do. And she
Speaker 1: killed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a really good time or two with someone of
Speaker 4: the jump scares, like when Jamie was hanging upside down,
Speaker 4: like I noticed, motherfucker about the pop back.
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot to mention that. Yeah, he was actually killed.
Speaker 1: He he saw Satan or what he thought was Satan
Speaker 1: and said, why have you forsaken me? Satan walked off
Speaker 1: and he's killed by a regular ass infected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's killed about Sampson, Right, it was Sampson
Speaker 3: that came back and killed him, Right, It.
Speaker 1: Was just it was a regular infecting. Because Samson's not
Speaker 1: a murderer. He's not. He has no reason to kill him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even know who that guy is. He has
Speaker 1: no idea if that guy killed Kelson because he wasn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there'd be no real reason for him to kill him.
Speaker 1: He just left with Sampson with Kelson's body. What would
Speaker 1: be great is if they show that Samson has learned
Speaker 1: the problem. I don't think they'll do all this, but
Speaker 1: if Samson's learned the process of boiling the skin off
Speaker 1: and then putting the skull. But I don't know that
Speaker 1: that would be a bit much problem. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but Spike mich go back and do it,
Speaker 1: that would be dope.
Speaker 4: Kelson's uh formula he I think he wrote that down too,
Speaker 4: So that's in the bunker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they should have that. There's gonna be a
Speaker 1: reason for them to go back there. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: ain't last thoughts before we wrap this up. No, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad the movies are getting better. I'm glad the
Speaker 1: movies are getting better.
Speaker 4: I'll definitely watch it with all of this extra added
Speaker 4: info uh on top. I think it'll be good and
Speaker 4: I definitely want to watch them order, but definitely unapproven
Speaker 4: for the first one. Yeah, I just want to read
Speaker 4: it rate.
Speaker 3: Then I'm glad they didn't follow that theme of the
Speaker 3: last one, you know, because they had that hokey music
Speaker 3: playing and ship and it made them seem really silly.
Speaker 1: I agree, And so you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, they abandoned that whole thing that.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that was my concern coming into this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, they're gonna have that whole shit going on.
Speaker 3: I don't know about this like that. You gotta be
Speaker 3: a badass.
Speaker 1: If they If they would have left that stupid music
Speaker 1: out of the first one and they wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: them jumping around like Power Ranger, it would have been
Speaker 1: fucking great. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they abandoned that whole There was no real
Speaker 1: comic relief in here. Even the fit the fingers. They
Speaker 1: weren't acting silly. They were actually fucking intimidating. No, it's
Speaker 1: real they were. I was like, oh man, this is good,
Speaker 1: this is good. I'm glad. I walked out of the
Speaker 1: theater happy because I was. I was walking into the
Speaker 1: theater not wanting to watch this. Yeah you know. So,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm glad everybody at least liked it. I
Speaker 1: fucking loved it. So definitely let us know what y'all thought,
Speaker 1: Drop some comments, share it with a friend or two,
Speaker 1: and we'll see y'all next time. And don't forget to
Speaker 1: tell Spike that he needs to talk about these zombie dicks,
Speaker 1: so spam him as much as you can. All Right,
Speaker 1: we'll see y'all next time. Peace,