1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: He was the last Republican to run the city of Indianapolis, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: and now he has a book talking all about it. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: It is The Kendall and Casey Show, and Rob Casey's 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: out today. Jerry Lopez inf Casey joined in studio. He 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: spent two terms as the mayor of the City of Indianapolis. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: The great Greg Ballard, mister mayor, Hello. 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: Rob, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Okay, So you have a new book out and it's 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: called Urban Republican Mayor My Story. Now we're gonna do 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: a little deep dive on the book. But one of 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the things that's fasting about the book, and we're just 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: talking about this off. 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: Air, is the role that you give WIBC. 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Greg Garrison in particular credit to for you becoming the 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: mayor of the City of Indianapolis. 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 4: He was absolutely critical when no one was paying attention 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: to me in O seven, he kept having me on 18 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 4: the his show. 19 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: Which is a massive audience. It's something you're familiar with. 20 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. I'm gonna record that and I'm gonna 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: start using that in the promo. 22 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: So the and you know, since my opponent wouldn't come on, 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: I kind of had free reign to come in and 24 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: he really helped me. And I was, you know, as 25 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 4: you can read in the book, it's I was a 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 4: little naive, a little unpolished, and that's okay. But he 27 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: helped me through those times, helped me through the radio certainly. 28 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: So most many long time HOOSI result will know the 29 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: story of you, but it's an incredible story. You were 30 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: elected mayor of the city in Indianapolis two thousand and seven, 31 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: and you were just sort of the guy who raised 32 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: your hand and said, okay, I'll draw the short straw 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: this cycle and I'll run. And you were this just 34 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: kind of obscure military guy, and then you shocked the 35 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: world and became the mayor. Just can do you remember 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: election night where you like, oh crap, I won? Like 37 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: what was it like when the. 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: Final folks were Actually I was not shocked, and I 39 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: remember the journey so well, and I'm so I'm so 40 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: glad that I got it down before before my memory 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: goes right. So I'm glad I got it down in print. 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 4: But no, I would have been shocks if I'd lost 43 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 4: that night. Really, oh yeah, the last two weeks I 44 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: thought it was mine. 45 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: That is interesting. What what turn the tide, because there's 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: usually a moment any person who runs and wins, there's 47 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: kind of a moment where like, Okay, as long as 48 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: I turn out, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this. 49 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: What was that moment for you? 50 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: I didn't know that there was that moment because we 51 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: had no polling numbers, we didn't have any money money. 52 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: I remember my opponent had four million bucks and at most, 53 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: and this was just in the last two weeks of 54 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 4: the campaign. I had two hundred thousand, but with a 55 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: month ago, I had like less than fifty thousand. Yeah, 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: and I've been working hard trying to raise money, but 57 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: it was clearly it was not going to happen. So 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 4: I had to have an alternate strategy. But the last 59 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 4: two weeks I was pretty confident. I told somebody, you 60 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 4: probably know, four days before the election, you're going to 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 4: be the first call after the election, and he said 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: he'd be honored to take it. Because I was really 63 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: confident in that point. Because I'm not exaggerating this, I 64 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: had over one hundred Democrats whisper in my ear or 65 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: telling me silently because they couldn't say it publicly, And 66 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 4: they said it just like this. I've never voted for 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 4: a Republican of my life, and I'm voting for you. 68 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 3: Was the was the property tax thing. 69 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: The issue that was the entry point, that was not 70 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: the final point. 71 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Uh. 72 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: It got me a little bit of recognition, didn't really 73 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: because it's really a kind of a state issue. However, 74 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: four years previous to that, that was a bit of 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: an issue and not a lot was done about it 76 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: at that time. So when it came up again and 77 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 4: they had the tea parties and property tax bills being 78 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: thrown in the White River and all that, I was there. Yeah, 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: I wanted all the visibility I could get because I 80 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: was getting no visibility at all. So uh, but then 81 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: when they raised the income taxes sixty five percent in August, 82 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: three months before the election, on top of the property 83 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: tax flascow that was going on all summer long. 84 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: That when that happened, there's a Lopez you'll appreciate this, 85 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: Terry Lopez in for Katya. Remember in the scene and 86 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Animal House where the playboy with the girl like falls 87 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: to the guy's window, the kid's window while he's reading 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: the playboy, and he just looks up and goes, thank 89 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: you God. When they raised the income Texas was that 90 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: you did you go, thank you. 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: But again I'm not sure that was quite it. It 92 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: certainly those two on top of each other got to 93 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: what I think might have been a culminating point in 94 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: the military terms budget night, city County council president locked 95 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: the doors. 96 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: So people were angry. 97 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: They wanted to get in and say their thing. The 98 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 4: I got I actually got into the council session. I 99 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: mean I was there. I got there early enough, and 100 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: I got in there. Then they overflowed into the ticket 101 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: or they overflowed into the halls, and then it was 102 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: I remember it's ninety five degrees now hot in humid August. 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: It locked the people. That door is never locked, but 104 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: it was locked. 105 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 4: That night, and that became a real issue because the 106 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: press they were covering some press were covering inside, lots 107 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 4: of press were covering outside. 108 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: That the people were locked out of the People's building. 109 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 5: So as you being the last Republican mayor of the city, 110 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 5: and the way that it's looking, Republicans have an uphill 111 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 5: fight to ever try to win the city back. What 112 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 5: can we do better to give us a fighting chance 113 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 5: here in a city that you really helped And one 114 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 5: two elections in which is unheard of these days. 115 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: Well, that's a great party. It was a democratic city 116 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 4: when I won too. I must remember that. They say 117 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: it's more democratic now, Okay, that's true, but I I, 118 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 4: you know, I it's tough to say this, but at 119 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: the rhetoric at the federal level, and what's happening at 120 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: the federal level hurts Republicans in the cities. 121 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: It just does. 122 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 4: And there are two out of the top twenty five 123 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 4: cities in America that are run by Democrats, and they're 124 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: in the South, and they're largely Republican cities as opposed 125 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: to democratic cities. Try to find a Republican in a 126 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: democratic city right now, and I think you're going to 127 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: come up blank. 128 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: So that didn't used to be that way. 129 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: So you'd think it makes it harder for guys like you, because, 130 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: let's face it, you do to some level have to 131 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: run a middle ish type of campaign. It's a nuts 132 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: and bolts campaign. It's roads, it's bridges, it's snow removal, 133 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: it's public safety. But you think that the federal rhetoric 134 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: hurts the ability to do that. 135 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: I do. 136 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: And you could run the middle ground, and which is Okay, 137 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that's good necessarily get you there. 138 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: There has to be some I was lucky. I was. 139 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: I'm very open. 140 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: I was the million to one shot and it happened 141 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: to me. Yeah, that's just the way it was, and 142 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: I got that. But I took advantage of it. I 143 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: didn't make the big mistake going into it. But going 144 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: back to the rhetoric is cities are built differently than 145 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: suburbs and rural areas. There are lots of different minorities, 146 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: a lot of ethnicities in there, and sometimes, frankly, what 147 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: we say at the as we're trying to get elected 148 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 4: in other areas, that filters down and when it comes 149 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 4: down to the cities, then that doesn't play well and 150 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: people have trouble voting that way. 151 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: Greg Ballard is our guest. He's the former two term 152 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: mayor of Indianapolis. Is a new book out, Urban Republican Mayor. 153 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: My story are all right? So how would you have 154 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: handled the riots of twenty twenty because I think that's 155 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: sort of the signature issue of like if hog sets 156 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: administration the past ten years was sort of an event, 157 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: and you were so much better on public safety, right, 158 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Like you look at the numbers, they're not even they're 159 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: not even closed, right, How would you have handled that 160 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: period of time? 161 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: I gotta be careful in how I say this. 162 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: No, you know, I come to the Kenney Casey the 163 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: wrong seale. 164 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 4: If you want to be careful, Let's go back to 165 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 4: Ridey King in ninety two, Steve Goldsmith. Yeah, Bart Peterson 166 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: had his, I had Ferguson. Riots and cities are all 167 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: across the nation, not in Indianapolis, that's right, Not in 168 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: Indianapolis in any. 169 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: Of those instances. 170 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's why people were shocked that it 171 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: happened here, not one night. 172 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: But two. 173 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: So I'm suggesting to you they wouldn't have happened. 174 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't think they would have. I don't 175 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: think they would. 176 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 4: Have because there are you know, you could there are 177 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: elements in place if you do the right things, the 178 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: elements and place where you can let people have their say. 179 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 4: Let them what we did on Ferguson and Goldsmith did differently, 180 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: and you can just let them have you know, you 181 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 4: can do it in another way, so that doesn't get 182 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: like that. 183 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: How did you keep like I remember towards the end 184 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: of your second term, because. 185 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: People like not only did you win, you got re elected. 186 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: I did in a blue city. How did you except 187 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: for what there was? 188 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: And my numbers were in the seventies? Wow, heading into 189 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 4: a third term. 190 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you screwed the city by not running again. I 191 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: hope you're a happy pal. Hey, by the way, I thought, 192 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: I told I told the mayor. 193 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: I said, by the time you get done with this 194 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: interview today, my goal is that you're going to uh, 195 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: You're going to call our friend Mark Diedle, sell that 196 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: nice house you got in White's Town, and move back 197 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: to the city to run for a run for a 198 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: third time third term. 199 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 3: Oh was there a reason you o? 200 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask you about the violence, because 201 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: I remember towards the end of your second term there 202 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: was numbers were over one hundred and we were like, 203 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, these numbers are getting so high. We 204 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: would give an extremity to go back to those numbers 205 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: you had in terms of homicides in your administration. 206 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 4: Well, that's as I describing the book. I think pretty well, 207 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: the numbers were in the one hundred and fifteen one 208 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty range when I took office. By two 209 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: thousand and nine, they were in the nineties four straight years. 210 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: You can go back thirty forty years, you'll only find 211 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: four years in the nineties, and they were they were 212 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 4: mine in a row. Then the Castle changed what we 213 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: were doing because the Castle leadership changed, I wasn't able 214 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 4: to do what I wanted to do at the level 215 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: it was. 216 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: And then did they ever tell you why, Well, they 217 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: just didn't like that there were few people getting murdered. 218 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: What well, I'm sure they didn't see it like that, 219 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 4: but they did. They the what we call the crime 220 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: prevention money started going different places. Yeah, and uh, and 221 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 4: I think that had a major effect on what was happening. 222 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: That said, you know, we kind of had had a 223 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: little bit of rough Yere's not not in the two 224 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: hundreds or anything like that, just over one hundred, and 225 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 4: then by fifteen actually with Troy Riggs. 226 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: We kind of had it back. And you may not 227 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: remember this. 228 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 4: I remember all of this clearly, but through the end 229 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: of May in twenty fifteen, we had like forty one 230 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: forty two murders, which is on. 231 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: An angle basis pretty pretty low. 232 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: Especially and because I remember this specifically, and I hope 233 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: nobody from Baltimore is listening, but I mean we had 234 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 4: as many murders through May as Baltimore had in May. 235 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's like like this and this will shock you, 236 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: mister Mayor. I used to really like to drink and 237 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: coming downtown was one of my favorite places. I can remember. 238 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: This was fifteen, we're still Mayor. I can remember walking 239 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: like from mass av all the way back to downtown. 240 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: I would never do that today and you didn't even 241 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: think of the thing about it at three in the morning, 242 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: just you know, walking through the graild downtown. 243 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 5: I remember weekends we just drive around the circle listening 244 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 5: to music and nobody would get shot, right, So, like, 245 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: how would you hit? One of the big things now 246 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 5: is the youth that are out and you're just a 247 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 5: curfews and what are we going to do? And the 248 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 5: find and the what kind of you know, approached that 249 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 5: because it's hard for me to want to have the 250 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 5: police be babysitters. 251 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 4: There's lots of things we did differently, and there's it's 252 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: very well, I don't know if you read the Public 253 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: Safety chapter you got there yet or not, but it's 254 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: very detailed in what we did and it was very specific, 255 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 4: and I would suggested looking at that would make a difference. 256 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: I think that's right there, but I know it's really good. 257 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 4: But I always thought it was important to have somebody 258 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 4: in charge of public safety. We have a parks director, 259 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: we have a DM and D director, uh and but 260 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: the most important one, we don't have a public safety director. 261 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: And I thought that was absolutely critical. And to have 262 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: somebody not political at all, somebody who's going to come 263 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: in and do a really really good job because they 264 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 4: do different things that listen to the police chief right 265 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 4: now is a great guy. I know, christ was a 266 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 4: lieutenant when I was the mayor. He was he was 267 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: a terrific guy, still is. But he's got an organization 268 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: run and he has law enforcement. Law enforcement's one element 269 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 4: of public safety. It's not the only element of public safety. 270 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: So somebody has to put all those other pieces together 271 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,239 Speaker 4: so that it works together. And so I'm I'm suggesting 272 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 4: that that's something to be looked at. 273 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: Who who helps you on the street really matters also. 274 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: Okay, And without revealing too much, just want people to 275 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: buy the book. Why did you decide not to run 276 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: for a third term? 277 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: It was similar to how when I left the Marine Corps, 278 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: I left on my own terms In the Marine Corps too. 279 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: After twenty three years. 280 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,119 Speaker 4: Actually we were I was physically and mentally exhausted. 281 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: I really was. 282 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: And if I would have had a year in between, 283 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: I probably would have done it again, gone again. 284 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: Like Michael Jordan, if you could have just take a 285 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: year baseball, you'd come back and being the. 286 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: Mayor something like that. But I was. 287 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: I was a and this goes back to, uh. 288 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: You know, my my marine days. 289 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: If you if you can't do your if you can't 290 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 4: do your duty, then you need to get out of there. 291 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: And I didn't think I could do be the mayor 292 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: at the level that I had been the last year 293 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: your eight years. I didn't think I could do it 294 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 4: for another four years. And I thought, frankly, I thought 295 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: the citizens deserved somebody who could put their best effort 296 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 4: in for the four years I was afraid I could not. 297 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get that one hundred percent. 298 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: If you do, and I've said this quite a bit, 299 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: if you do elected office right, you should be ready 300 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: to get out of it. 301 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 4: We were everywhere, Winnie and I were everywhere, and it 302 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 4: was very and we had a reputation for staying until 303 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: at night, and we were out six nights a week 304 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 4: every week for four years the first four years. We 305 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: cut it down like four or five nights the second 306 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 4: four years. But we were, we were, and I'm introverted, 307 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: and you got to get that. I'm an introverted guy, 308 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: so I need to rest. Tended to take a lot 309 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 4: of Sundays off. 310 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: All right, tell us where we can get the book 311 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: and make the sale. Why should people buy Urban Republican 312 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Mayor my story? 313 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's how I grew up and it was kind 314 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 4: of fun. I was joking the other there was somebody 315 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: else that my entire childhood is in eight pages, so. 316 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: Must not have been that dramatic. 317 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 4: But it's a lot of time in the Marine Corps, 318 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: how it related to how I was became the mayor, 319 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: what that effect had on me, And then there's about 320 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: two hundred pages of what we did in office, and 321 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: there's some thoughts at the end of it, also about 322 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: Urban Republican Mayor about Urban Republicans. 323 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: Well, there's so much. There's so much great local stuff 324 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: in there. If you're just a fan of even if 325 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: you're not a government person, if you're just a fan 326 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: of Indianapolis history and local people and things, there's so 327 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: many things in there that are just just great that 328 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: I think people would really. 329 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of stories in there and why 330 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: we did things. 331 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great, mister Mayor. Always a pleasure to see you, 332 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: and thank you for spending a few. 333 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Minutes with us, Rob, I appreciate it very much. 334 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Kenilly Casey Show ninety three WIBC.