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Speaker 2: It's time to get those engine styles. Need to set

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Speaker 2: the stage for an absolute showdown.

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Speaker 3: This is where the club begins.

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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody to the Firestone gran Prix of Saint Petersburg

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Speaker 3: Race Fans, we are racing here and Victor Race Pie.

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Speaker 2: Free InCAR racing returning to North Texas, coming down the hill,

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Speaker 2: In Saint Louis's Worldwide Technology Raceway. Yeah, this place is

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Speaker 4: Of Lake Michigan, off the cope of Sheboygan you'll find

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Speaker 2: This is as challenging and oval as we have and.

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Speaker 4: This track just brings aggression, bogs and potland, really really

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Speaker 2: The race States Arc, start your angs. The Indy Races

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Speaker 1: A lot of everyone.

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Speaker 2: Sellout here at the Milwaukee Mile. It's the oldest track

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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis on a Wednesday night. I know I said Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: That's where we post the schedule of the show the

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Speaker 2: I'm Kevin, that's Kirk. We have a schedule. Here are

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Speaker 2: the notes. Schedule remained. Seventeen races out thermal and two

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Speaker 2: go well because logic would say, after they've been hosting

431
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Speaker 2: the World Cup, you're not going to have the corporate

432
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Speaker 2: support and you're not going to have this fan support,

433
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: and then it's going to be one and done. And

434
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Speaker 2: we've been talking talking about this forever and that's going

435
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: to look bad for your most popular driver Poto Award.

436
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: And I saw his comments Bob Pokras had Poto is honest,

437
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: is he not? If Potter thought they fumbled the ball here,

438
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: Potter would be telling us, just like he told us

439
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: last year, they're fumbling by not having a race there.

440
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Bob posted comments at the red carpet last night before

441
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Speaker 2: the awards ceremony with Poto very measured, and that's what

442
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: he basically said was it's going to be hard, and

443
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: if we don't do this right, that's going to be it.

444
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's something what I don't get is

445
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: and Nathan Brown at The Indie Star had a story

446
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Speaker 2: yesterday because we had been first hearing April and I've

447
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: been hearing potentially combining with NASCAR, and then that April

448
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: date went away, and then that's when they started getting

449
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Speaker 2: into July, which became much more difficult now. I think

450
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Speaker 2: Nathan was the one that kind of looked into this

451
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: that April is tough. You know you have Easter that

452
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: we know, but I believe his reporting said it's not

453
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: just Easter that you don't want to have sporting events,

454
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: it's other dates in a Catholic environment that you don't

455
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: really want to be racing on. So maybe that's why

456
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: that went away or some other reason. But once that

457
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 2: wasn't an option, it got a little bit more difficult.

458
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Speaker 2: So there should be more options next year. So disappointed,

459
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Speaker 2: but also glad that they're not going to go into

460
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Speaker 2: something that has a high chance of failing.

461
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Speaker 1: I want to circle back before I get to Watkins, Glenn,

462
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Speaker 1: circle back on something you said, and I think you've

463
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Speaker 1: made the point appropriately, but I wanted to really say

464
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Speaker 1: absolutely when you said it, and that is part of

465
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Speaker 1: our lack of excitement when the schedule actually came out,

466
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Speaker 1: is because you had the news of the excitement.

467
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Speaker 2: Some time ago.

468
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Speaker 1: Arlington had already been announced with much fanfare. We had

469
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Speaker 1: all made some assessments of the Ontario Race at Markham,

470
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Speaker 1: and you know, while we don't know exactly what that's

471
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Speaker 1: going to look like and feel like, I think we've

472
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Speaker 1: all come away with yeah, we're pretty optimistic. Toronto, Downtown

473
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Speaker 1: Toronto or Exhibition place has not been I mean, it's historic,

474
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: that racetrack is historic, but you don't have a huge

475
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Speaker 1: walk up from people just walking down from their condos.

476
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Speaker 2: Downtown.

477
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Speaker 1: It kind of have felt like the downtown, if I

478
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Speaker 1: can call it, that the downtown had pretty well run

479
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Speaker 1: its course. We needed a jolt of energy in the market.

480
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: And while this is not technically in Toronto, and it's

481
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Speaker 1: not an easy drive from downtown Toronto due to traffic

482
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Speaker 1: and so forth, but people have told us Canadians, our

483
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Speaker 1: friends in the media who are Canadians have said, hey,

484
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Speaker 1: Markham's got a chance here. This is a good part,

485
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Speaker 1: good part of town, or the Metroplex if you were

486
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Speaker 1: using the Dallas Fort Worth term, this has got a

487
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Speaker 1: really chance, good chance of happening so and being successful.

488
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Speaker 1: So there's two elements that had been announced previously, and

489
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Speaker 1: then the third was was Phoenix and so you know,

490
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: again we had not seen an announcement, but that's positive.

491
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: I think we all are excited about. You know, what

492
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Speaker 1: does this look like just being back at Phoenix Racetracks

493
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Speaker 1: different than that it used to be back you know,

494
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Speaker 1: we've been racing there since nineteen sixty four, almost without fail.

495
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: There's some years, you know, two thousand and six to

496
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Speaker 1: about two thousand and fifteen where we didn't run and

497
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Speaker 1: we've all missed Phoenix. It's such a it's such a

498
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Speaker 1: great place for us. I guess I'll touch on Washington,

499
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Speaker 1: d C. For just a second.

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Speaker 2: You know.

501
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: Mark Miles continued to just say it's complicated and it

502
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Speaker 1: was impossible to handicap whether that happens in the future.

503
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Speaker 1: The idea came from Fox. Uh, you know, I don't

504
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of you know, more than

505
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty here. I don't know it's he said,

506
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Speaker 1: you do this.

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how he told about it. I said,

508
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: what race around RFK in Landover, No, No, Downtown. They're trying,

509
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Speaker 2: and it's worth a try. You gotta sometimes swing for them.

510
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: You gotta hit singles, but sometimes you got to swing

511
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Speaker 2: for the fences. And I think that would be one

512
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Speaker 2: of those. And if they can pull that off, amazing.

513
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Speaker 2: But yes, we should not count on that until we

514
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Speaker 2: hear it.

515
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Speaker 1: And then and then with regard to Watkins, Glenn, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: I love Watkins Glenn. I think everyone who's been there,

517
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: everyone who's watched a race, it's just spectacular.

518
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Speaker 2: It really is. I didn't get the sense.

519
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Speaker 1: From listening to Mark Miles that that's as high on

520
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Speaker 1: the priority list as maybe you.

521
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Speaker 2: And and no, no, it's it's zero on Mark's part

522
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: already list. I get that he does not want to go.

523
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: Someone is going to have to tell him. And he's

524
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: not the only person involved in this. You know this,

525
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: Greg Penske and Jonathan Gibson and Roger Penske and Doug Bowls.

526
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: Everyone is involved in this. But Marc has made his

527
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: feelings very known. He doesn't want to go to small

528
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: markets and places that they've been to. He wants new markets,

529
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Speaker 2: and I agree with that. I also don't think we

530
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: should rule out previous markets like where we just were, Milwaukee,

531
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Speaker 2: where they're adding another race last year, and like Phoenix

532
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: now Phoenix, though is not a small market, that is

533
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: a very very big market and in a climate that

534
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: you need. Yeah, you need warm weather clients for a

535
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Speaker 2: climate for spring races. So I understand Watkins Glenn. That's

536
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: that's more the insider thing. And it also does not

537
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: tick any boxes for teams entertaining clients. It is difficult

538
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: to get there when you're trying to sell sponsorships and

539
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: saying we're going to have hospitality for you. They want

540
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: where where can I get to fifteen minutes from the airport. Well,

541
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: there is an airport twenty five or thirty minutes away,

542
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: but it's a little bit more difficult.

543
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: And then lastly, as part of the discussion with Watkins,

544
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Speaker 1: Glenn Mark's remarks and his question. The question to him

545
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: was about what would you rather see or what are

546
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: you leaning toward? And clearly this is, you know, spill

547
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: the beans for twenty twenty seven announcement. They're really looking

548
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: very hard at Denver. He wants another race in the West.

549
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: You know, it would be around the new stadium development

550
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: that's ongoing, although I think that's quite some time down

551
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: the road before it's open. I don't know all the details.

552
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Stefan would have to give us. The Denver Broncos stadium.

553
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: I just learned recently they're building a new stadium for

554
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Speaker 1: that stadium. It's not that old, and I hope this

555
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: is not a new development. Someone told me last night.

556
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: That this does not impact Indy Car's plan, so I

557
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: hope that's the case.

558
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, you know, we've already now gotten word

559
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: about Denver. So when when it shows up a year

560
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: from now on the schedule announcement, let's don't put poo

561
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: it because it's it's it's already been discussed and leaked,

562
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: and you know, you just can't. You can't keep these

563
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: things under wraps because you know, just because there's too

564
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: much involved. So anyway, the whole racing it in Denver

565
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: seems like it has real momentum. Mark smiled a lot

566
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Speaker 1: when he was asked the question. He you know, he

567
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: wanted to give information. He has information. He didn't want

568
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: to share information, so but he wants to answer the

569
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: question in some form. But I think we'll see that,

570
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, there's you can always nitpick these schedules.

571
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: I think there are some things that I understand why

572
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: people are about. I think there are some things that

573
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. I still would like to see

574
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: a bigger oval track other than Indy on the track

575
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: in addition to Indy, I guess on the schedule, you know,

576
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: but that hasn't happened yet. The balance of street and

577
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: road courses and ovals has always been important to me

578
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: to have a nice mix. We continue to have that.

579
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: It is interesting three of the first five are on

580
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: street circuits Saint Pete, Arlington and Long Beach, and so

581
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: you're going to you're pretty well and Detroit comes very quickly,

582
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: so you're going to have those street races early. Yeah,

583
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Will's going to be uh, he's going to dominate Saint

584
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: Pete and then we'll he'll be the one being chased.

585
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: The other point I would make, I guess I would

586
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: correct you a little bit. You said four straight races

587
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: in or four straight weekends in that May period. Actually

588
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: five when you throw in the Sancio Grand Prix to

589
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Indie Qualifying, to the Indy five hundred, to De Troit

590
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: to Now the fifth one in this mix is Worldwide

591
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Technology Raceway. So that's that's going to be a that's

592
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: going to be a butt kicker, especially when you try

593
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: to go to Detroit and and I guess the real

594
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: one is going to be Saint Louis. When you go

595
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Speaker 1: to Gateway and you are three weeks at Indy, You've

596
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: been to the Detroit street race and now you've got

597
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: to now you got to do an oval.

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00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: I feel like that's better though, than four straight agree

599
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: in the summer, all in different locations at least three

600
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Speaker 2: straight weekends are mostly sleeping in your own bed, which

601
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: is I agree, it's kind of nice. And then you've got,

602
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: you know, short drives to the other two. They don't

603
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: have to get on an airplane for five weeks. I'm

604
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: going to you know, maybe some will fly to Detroit,

605
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: but almost everyone will drive to Saint Louis because from

606
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: the West side it's what three hours or something like that.

607
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: Uh So, big picture, I like to schedule better than

608
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: this year's it. It ticks some of the boxes and

609
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 2: some of the things that they are missing. A couple

610
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: of other thoughts, and we will address the other thing

611
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: that's being talked about most swapping the season finales Nashville,

612
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: not the final. We'll get to that coming up next

613
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: on Trackside. Hi, this is Poto Award and you're listening

614
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: to truck Side. Okay, more schedule talk. If you just

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00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: joined this late, podcast will be up just after nine

616
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: o'clock Eastern. Search it on Apple, Spotify, SoundCloud. Look for

617
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: Trackside with Cavin and Kevin. There might be a picture

618
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: of an MNA fighter on it, or it might be

619
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: a picture of a racetrack, but either one is probably

620
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: us because Kevin Lee, the MMA fighter does not have

621
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: a podcast or social media, so if he does, let's

622
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 2: see what he has to say. Maybe he'll break things

623
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: down for us. We've dressed a lot of things in

624
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: the schedule. The other most discussed topic, which was met

625
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: with a lot of anger when it first was leaked,

626
00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: was Nashville moving to summer and Laguna moving to the finale.

627
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: I think it's more about what can go, and they

628
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: want to go after the opportunity to have an eighteen

629
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: million lead in audience ish with the World Cup finale.

630
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: Do we want it to be something that might be

631
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: a little bit processional, which event might convince someone that

632
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: is experiencing Indy Car for the first time to continue.

633
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: And you know, some might say, well, we don't know

634
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: we're going to have a full grand stands at Nashville.

635
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: That may not be the best opportunity either, And you

636
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: can kind of hide things in the hills of Laguna,

637
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: Seka point noted. But it's still not a lot of people.

638
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: But I think the opportunity is there though, to have,

639
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: as we would say, a banger of a race and

640
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: your best chance. Let's look at it this way. An

641
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: extra six million people watch the Indy five hundred that

642
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: aren't watching the other races to get some of those

643
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: six million. What race is closest to the Indianapolis five hundred,

644
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: it'd be Nashville super Speedway on the current schedule.

645
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Speaker 1: I'd agree with that. I think, you know, I'm less

646
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: worried about the attendance. I don't mean it like that.

647
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's worried about the attendance.

648
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: I don't. It didn't as long as it's at least

649
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: as good as it was last year. It did not

650
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: look bad, so that's not I saw some quotes from

651
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: Scott board Shadow that he would like to see more.

652
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: Everyone would like to see more, but it wasn't bad.

653
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: And I saw quotes from the IndyCar people yesterday is

654
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: that we've got an opportunity here. We are going to

655
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: double down and we are going to really try to

656
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: make this happen. Now, you don't have to worry about

657
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: whether the championship is clinched. You know what you are promoting.

658
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: You are promoting good racing, and you're promoting an evening race.

659
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Let me clarify what I said. What I meant when

660
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean about I'm not worried about attendance. When I'm worried.

661
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, I'm not worried about how the

662
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: attendance perception shows on television.

663
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't think.

664
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: I think people watch a good event, whether or a

665
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: good sporting event, regardless of how many people are in

666
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: the stands. I've seen some great baseball games with very

667
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: few attendants. I'm reading I just got found reading a

668
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: book about the Big Red Machine in the nineties or

669
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: in the seventies, and in seventy five, seventy six, and

670
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: they played. There are several mentions of games where they

671
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: had less than five thousand people. The Big Red Machine

672
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: were still a big deal. Yeah, that's one of one

673
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two games. So we won't debate this

674
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: too much pous we have before. That's where I disagree

675
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: with that. I think perception does matter. You're telling people

676
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: it's a big event. If they tune in at Fontene

677
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: and see six thousand people in the stands, agreat does

678
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: not work.

679
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: Great. Wait a minute, you told me this is a

680
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: big deal. If it's a big deal the other big

681
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: deal sporting events I watch baseball playoff games BA. Do

682
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: you not think the NBA would be worried if the

683
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: NBA Finals had seventeen thousand, I just mean it's not

684
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: a be all, end all, but I think it matters.

685
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: It's not the highest thing on my priority list, Let's

686
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: put it that way. I think the highest thing on

687
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: my priority list is to show something following the World

688
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: Cup that takes your breath away or captures your imagination

689
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: or holds your attention. And I think either Milwaukee or

690
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: Nashville would have done that. So applause, applause for that.

691
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: I think you're going to have a great show on this.

692
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: So if the thing gets started and there's some great

693
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: side by side racing in this first twenty laps, which

694
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: I almost guarantee there will be, people are going to

695
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: stay with it. They'll stay with it a little bit longer,

696
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. Anyway, the opportunity to have an

697
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: entertaining race is there, and I like that. As for Laguneseka,

698
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on what your what your expectations

699
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: are and your goals for a season finale. You know,

700
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: it has been a place where where drivers have kind

701
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: of run away and hid leaders. Alex Polo's done it, uh,

702
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, there there have been others, you know, you're

703
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: not going to have some of the oval track action

704
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: at Lagunesca. However, it shows great on television and it

705
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: is a place where all your big shots are going

706
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: to want to go. They're going to want to play

707
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: golf at Pebble Beach and then come those are the

708
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: people spending money and and there. So it depends on

709
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: what your objections are or what your goals, and I

710
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: could argue it either way. I wish we were ending

711
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: the season on an oval. I've always since I first

712
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: began watching the sport, loved oval track finishes. You know,

713
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: those at Texas Motor Speedway over the years in the

714
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands were just spectacular with so

715
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: much on the line, you know, a very thrilling environment.

716
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: But you know we finished at Lagunesca many times over

717
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: the years. Uh.

718
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: It is it is good for business to be in

719
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: Monterey at the end of the season. It just is. UH.

720
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: So we can we can discuss whether it's the best

721
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: race on the circuit, uh in terms of excitement. But

722
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you there are there are a lot of

723
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: Laguna Seca moments that that we talk about a lot,

724
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: not just the corkscrew with Brian Hurda and Alex SNORTI

725
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: but going off and turn one, the side by side,

726
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: exiting two, pushing somebody into the dirt and turn three.

727
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's places on that racetrack that are

728
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: fun and it is it has still the opportunity to

729
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: be a thrilling race, So I wouldn't discount that. The

730
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: other thing is the leadership at at the track is different.

731
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, Mel Harder being an indie guy and and

732
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: he loves IndyCar racing and and it seems like the

733
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: infrastructure UH is going to benefit as well.

734
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: At Laguna Seca.

735
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: Look at I can understand the fan perspective, As I said, personally,

736
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: I'd rather have an OVAL to end the season, but

737
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: this is a pretty good place. It's pretty special on

738
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: a lot of fronts of.

739
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: The options available, I think this is fine. The reality

740
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: is there is not a race on the schedule that

741
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: works perfect in the second half the season for the finale.

742
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 2: If you didn't need a doubleheader, you could maybe argue

743
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: about Milwaukee that that might work and Labor Day weekend

744
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: inside of a city where I heard this from a

745
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: lot of people with teams at Nashville, we invited sponsors.

746
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: No one wants to come because they have plans on

747
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 2: Labor Day weekend. They're not going to do this. Maybe

748
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: there's enough in the Milwaukee area that you can make

749
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: that work, but there just isn't a perfect scenario. Laguna

750
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: Seka has had its moments the point about entertaining all plays,

751
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: so I feel like that's a work in progress that

752
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: you could consider that something to search for. However, I

753
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: know that it was said yesterday, No, the plan is,

754
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: this is not just to stop gap of the year,

755
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: plan on this being the finale for a few years.

756
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: But you know what event, and this will be blasphemous,

757
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: what would be the best event for the season finale? Well,

758
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: Long Beach should be Long Beach. And you know, send

759
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: your comments into Kurt about the anger of the Boston

760
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: consulting group. So they got a lot of things wrong,

761
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: but I think that one might be right, and you

762
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: run the risk of the date equity, but they ran

763
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: it in October one other year and everybody still showed up.

764
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: So it's just something to think about. There are a

765
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: lot of big events in the first half of the season.

766
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: IndyCar needs more, as we call them, tent pole events,

767
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: major events in the second half of the season. So

768
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: if you really wanted to blow things up and be bold,

769
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: that ticks all your boxes. Uncertainty street racing has uncertainty.

770
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: Now after the last pitstop, it's probably over as well,

771
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: which is the way it is in a lot of

772
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: road course races. But being able to entertain people and

773
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: have a massive looking crowd, then it's one of those

774
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not in charge, but it's something that

775
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: should probably be brought up at some point. What if

776
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: And the answer made me, no, we're not going to

777
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: do it. We can do it, but it's probably something

778
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: that should be talked about, big picture schedule thing. The

779
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: other is, you know, for it to satisfy everyone. I

780
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: know people are angry that Indy Car is not still racing,

781
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: but if television matters, it certainly does to the group

782
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: that owns one third of your sport. Now you're not

783
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: racing in the fall. One, all of our production people

784
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: are doing NFL games or college football games right now.

785
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: They would have to go to the C team for

786
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: anyone beyond announcers, No one is available at this point. Two,

787
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: Where are you going to air it? You don't have time. Now,

788
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: I did mention it to some people again that if

789
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: you ever saw the right markets and a week two

790
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: single header without anything in the afternoon, you could generate

791
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: a television rating. And they know this because they've done

792
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: it for NHRA before and CBS has done it for Formulae.

793
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: You know you could if you can guarantee that September

794
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: fifteenth ish would get you a four to fifteen Eastern

795
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: time events, you're running after the one pm window, and

796
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: your rating would start at ten million, and it would

797
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: go down to three hundred thousand, because that's what you're

798
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: going to get when you run opposite the NFL, but

799
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: it would still be a good overall audience. That is

800
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: something that could happen, but that's hard to do logistically.

801
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: So you're better served and you're likely to see it

802
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: ending on Labor Day. So can we start earlier? And

803
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: I know Zach Brown mentioned that again in his Papaya

804
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: column that he posted yesterday. We all want that. They

805
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: know that, you've just got to find markets that you

806
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: could do that. And the hatred for thermal eliminates one

807
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: of those options, because that's one if you need spring races,

808
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: that's a place you could go. We'd all love to

809
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: see more bigger ovals, but Homestead hasn't worked. Maybe Chicago

810
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: Land gets resurrected with NASCAR back there, and you can

811
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: think about that in the summertime. But that's what is

812
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: still needed, is a way to start the season in February.

813
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's written that Saint Pete has

814
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: to be the opener. If it is written, there are

815
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: amendments that can be available. There are ways that that

816
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: can be adjusted if it's good for the sport. There

817
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 2: are concessions that can be made if you could find

818
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: something and get creative and get started before Formula one significantly.

819
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that could also be good. And use the

820
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: Fox portion of the NASCAR schedule their biggest ratings are

821
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season, and use that promotion

822
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: the following week. So that's the only thing that long

823
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: term I think you could potentially do, and that would

824
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: be a way to expand the race to the calendar

825
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: to say eighteen, if you can find solid markets there.

826
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: I guess.

827
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: Last thought on a couple other venues that are back

828
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: on the schedule. I'm glad to see Portland still there.

829
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: I know it gets it has its detractors to some extent.

830
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think when we were making

831
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: a list of the best races in twenty twenty five,

832
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: I think you have to put Portland in the top five.

833
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: It was really good.

834
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Now Alex Polo helped that because he had every reason

835
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: and every he would have been let off the hook

836
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: if he would have coasted around and finished third or fourth,

837
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: and he tried to go for it and was on

838
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: the charge. And hats off to Alex for the way

839
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: he drove in Portland. But that was a really entertaining event.

840
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad to I always like Portland. I think having

841
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: that West Coast presence is excellent. And then you know

842
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: everything else, I think, you know what we've actually talked

843
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: about just about every other venue.

844
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, the one race in.

845
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: April being Long Beach is obviously a big attraction Easters

846
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: in there, and you really will have like another event,

847
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: another another talking point by having the Indie Test probably

848
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: the last few days of April. I don't have the

849
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: schedule in the twenty twenty six dates in front of me,

850
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: but it's you know, you're still going to have. It's

851
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of like an event you're going to have people

852
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: talking about you, so that's that's an event that doesn't

853
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: have an event. Doug Bowles did say, by the way,

854
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: that not only would you expect to see a tire

855
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: test at Phoenix, it does sound like an open test

856
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: at Phoenix is probably likely or at least better than

857
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. And I think you know that would

858
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: be if you have kind of a spring raining at Phoenix,

859
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: that'd be really good.

860
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: TBD on how that goes. You're not going to really

861
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: it's going to be more IndyCar promoting NASCAR. And this

862
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: is how I think you convinced NASCAR to let IndyCar join,

863
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: is that Fox would have presented it. Hey we're gonna

864
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: run IndyCar on Saturday, and we're going to promote the

865
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: Cup race also on Fox the following day. Remember, Infinity

866
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 2: is on the CW, so there's no cross promotion that's

867
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: going to be available for that one. IndyCar needed a date,

868
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: so they had to kind of concede some things, and

869
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: I think they're going to run before Infinity, probably late

870
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: afternoon or early evening. The Exfinity race will be the

871
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: night race, but it's worth a try, and you know,

872
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: hopefully you find some fans that say, all right, I

873
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: probably wasn't going to go to the Infinity race. This

874
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: is why it's good for the track and good for NASCAR.

875
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 2: But if you're going to give me an IndyCar race

876
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: and an Infinity race neither or longer than two hours,

877
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to go out there. I can

878
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: commit six seven hours and see two races on Saturday

879
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: evening when the weather is perfect in Phoenix. Jennifryar did

880
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: point out that, yeah, maybe the motivation also was for

881
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: NASCAR to show in this ongoing lawsuit with Michael Jordan

882
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: company that yeah, we do host other series at our tracks.

883
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: We are not a monopoly. See Indy Cars at one

884
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: of our tracks. So we shall see. All right, we'll

885
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: preview our number two and plenty more to get to

886
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: stay with us on trackside.

887
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: Hi, this is Mark Sirkson, and you're listening to Trackside

888
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: on ninety three five and one oh seven five To.

889
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: Fan, there is still one more hour to go in

890
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: the program. We have not gotten to the xbox and

891
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: we will do that post HeSE. Your Twitter questions at

892
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: Kevin Lee twenty three at Kurt Cavan are coming up

893
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: in just moment. It's been a big day. Cubs have

894
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: clinched a playoff spot. We got that going for us,

895
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: or at least some of us do what else? Oh,

896
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: we learned the Canadian Grand Prix. We thought hope would

897
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: be the case when it was announced that F one

898
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: would be racing. They're not in Monaco on Indy five

899
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: hundred race day. They're going to be in Canada, which

900
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: could be a direct conflict. We thought we couldn't they

901
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: just run it at four o'clock to help them and

902
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 2: to help the motorsports world. And they've done it. That's

903
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: been announced in the last couple of days. The Canadian

904
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: Grand Prix is going to be at four o'clock eastern.

905
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: The Indy five hundred should be over at about four

906
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: o'clock eastern twelve forty five ish green flag race is

907
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: usually three three point fifteen in that range, so a

908
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: little bit of potential carryover. So I feel like that's

909
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: good news as well, you know, big picture, last thing, well,

910
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: last thing for now, because I think some Twitter questions

911
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: will be on this schedule. As I mentioned, you know,

912
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: it took me a think for a moment to realize actually,

913
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: all things considered, this schedule is pretty good. And what

914
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: I didn't mention what still makes it really good is

915
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: Indy Car is I think the only sport, not just motorsport,

916
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: the only sport that has one hundred percent of their

917
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: main events meaning games, matches, races on network television. And

918
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: we shouldn't gloss over that because that's a huge part

919
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: of this deal. All right, our two coming up, including

920
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: little conversation what's coming up at Indie this weekend with

921
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: IMSA all on the way on trackside?

922
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: How big is this going to be? We talk about

923
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: Wayne Taylor Racing. They're gonna win in Pro, they will

924
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: win in Pro Am. Jackson Lee spectacular drive after taking

925
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: over from Trenton Hemmon. Welcome to the winners Club, Jackson Lee.

926
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 4: You have won in Lamborghini Soup for Trafeo and you've

927
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: done it at Road America.

928
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: It's our number two track side ninety three to five,

929
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: one oh seven to five the fan in Indianapolis, Kevin Lee,

930
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: Landon Kons in our studio. Kirk Cavin has other assignments

931
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: this evening or other duties. He will have the rest

932
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: of the night off, so we will talk amongst ourselves

933
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: sports cars at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway this weekend, so

934
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: was self serving to our household highlight to start off

935
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: our number two that was from the Road America event,

936
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: the last IMS event that included all the classes and

937
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: the Lamborghini Super Trofeo series what a month ago, six

938
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: weeks ago or something like that. And I'm a bad

939
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: pr rep I shortchanged our driver. I always joke that

940
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: he's not getting on the show again until he wins.

941
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: And not only did I not allow him to appear

942
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 2: on the show, we didn't even play the highlight, which

943
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 2: is courtesy of Peacock, and that's pretty cool. My friend

944
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Brian Till called Jackson's first sports car when at Road America,

945
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: and I think probably he's not as deep a thinker

946
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: as we are. He's a kid young man actually, but

947
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: you know, he's known Brian since he was a kid

948
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: and not six foot four. And Brian was one of

949
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: his first driving instructors and was one of the instructors

950
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: and the judges the Lucas Oil Series Carts to Car

951
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: shootout where Jackson won a scholarship. So impart, it's Brian's

952
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: fault that he's still doing this instead of trying to

953
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: play college baseball or something like that and use his

954
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: six foot four frame. But I enjoyed that having Brian

955
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: and my friend Maran Marine in the booth on Peacock

956
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: for that race. So here's what's coming up, of course,

957
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 2: starting with highlights. Lamborghini Super Traveo the races this weekend

958
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: and buried the lead. So Jackson is back with Wayne

959
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: Taylor Racing. It was kind of a one race tryout

960
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: deal to run with Trent Henman, who is a very

961
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: accomplished sports car driver, also a former Team USA scholarship winner,

962
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: probably seven or eight years before Jackson, but he's won

963
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: weather Tech Championships, he won won for Meyer Shank a

964
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: few years back. He's won Michelin Pilot Championships, has won

965
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: a race this year with Wayne Taylor in their weather

966
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: Tech gt D car and the Lamborghini, and he's paired

967
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: with Jackson again this weekend in the number sixty nine

968
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: cards kind of pink, it's black, it's got some dark blue.

969
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: You'll recognize some of our logos on the car like

970
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: the IU Signmon Comprehensive Cancer Center and in lun Cancer

971
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: Now and Browning Chapman and race for RP. So look

972
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: for that car this weekend. They will race on Friday

973
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: afternoon at three point fifty five Saturday at five oh

974
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: five on YouTube if you don't have Peacock, also on

975
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: Peacock and those are archived as well. They'll practice a

976
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: couple of times tomorrow, qualify on Friday morning, so we're

977
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Usually Jackson, the way they did

978
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 2: the last time, Trent will probably qualify for Race one,

979
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: start Race one, Jackson will finish, and then they reverse it.

980
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: I like that in Super Crafeo that each driver gets

981
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: a chance to start a race and each driver gets

982
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: a chance to finish a race. Now to the bigger race,

983
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: the Tech Race with the four classes and fifty three cars.

984
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: Six hour race, not six hours next year. The Endurance

985
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: Round moves to Road America next year in IMSA, but

986
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: six hours next to last race of the season. Think

987
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: about this, they have sixteen hours of racing to go.

988
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: We think that this season is almost over sixteen hours

989
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: of racing. That's about a half a season in IndyCar.

990
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: I think all four of the championships could effectively be

991
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: clinched this weekend, but the fields are big enough that

992
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: three of them could change leads if it goes the

993
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: other way and those in second win and the leader

994
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: finishes in the back. Porshapinsky is still leading the overall class,

995
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: and we have a lot of IndyCar connections, especially with

996
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: the teams in the GTP class. Also of note in

997
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: the GTP class is the ray Hall team, the BMWM

998
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: RLL team. They finished one two last year at Indy

999
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: and they finished one two in the very last race

1000
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: right after learning essentially they've been fired. BMW is looking

1001
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: I think they've found They've just not announced yet, but

1002
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: they will have a new factory team or they will

1003
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: award the contracts to be a factory team to someone

1004
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: else next year. And RLLL is looking for another program

1005
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: to head up. And there's still a few things in

1006
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: flux there and I'm optimistic and hopeful that they'll get

1007
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: something done. And the twenty four BMW RL is still

1008
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: alive in the championship, coming on strong as the Meyer

1009
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: Shank car, the ninety three, and on and on and on.

1010
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: Just a few other things of people that IndyCar fans

1011
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: might be familiar with. They can watch for. Rama Grojean

1012
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: is going to be back in the Lamborghini number sixty three.

1013
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: This weekend, we'll see Sebastian Border. Yes, I know he's

1014
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: running in the World and Durn Championship. Bud does many

1015
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: of these races as well. He'll be in the number

1016
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: eight for Tower Hunter mcelray second in the Indie Next

1017
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: or Indie Lights Championship a few years ago, and did

1018
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: an IndyCar race last year. Quite well, he's in the

1019
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: number eleven again. Remember Rubens Barrichello, of course you do.

1020
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Great Formula one driver, really pleasant person to get to know.

1021
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: In the year he was in IndyCar. His son Eduardo,

1022
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: they call him Doodoo, or at least they did when

1023
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 2: he was a kid running in USF two thousand, where

1024
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: he swept a pair of races at Indianapolis on the

1025
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: way to second in that championship. He's doing his first

1026
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: weather Tech race and a GT three car for vanderst

1027
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: the number nineteen cars. So Eduardo Barrichello, we'll be in

1028
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: that car. Logan Sergeant, the American Formula one driver, we'll

1029
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: be making his sports car debut in a P two car,

1030
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: the number fifty two. Benjamin Peterson is one of his

1031
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: teammates for PR one Matheson and I've never mentioned That's

1032
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: Another cool story is that Brian Hurt his team Brian Hurd,

1033
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: a autosport he owns with Sean Jones. They run the

1034
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: Hyundai program in Michelin Pilot Challenge. They are stepping up

1035
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: to WeatherTech in a P two car next year, paired

1036
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: with pr One Matheson. So an existing program and one thought.

1037
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: I honestly have not asked Brian or Sean about this,

1038
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: so I can speak freely, but sometimes this happens. So

1039
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: they have been in play. I know this is true

1040
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: that they have bid on the contract to be the

1041
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: Genesis factory team when Genesis steps up to the top level.

1042
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: I forget is that in twenty seven I think it is,

1043
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: and they probably need to show, Hey, we can run

1044
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: a top level sports car team. So it could be

1045
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: showing or it could just be no, we're going to

1046
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: give you the bid. We're not announcing it yet, but

1047
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: we want you to get some experience in this matter.

1048
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: So that's cool. One other note that insiders would know.

1049
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: Joe Miller is one of those drivers that got close

1050
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: to IndyCar in the latter system. Has been doing some

1051
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: sports car racing and he's one of the stewards for

1052
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: maybe be the chief steward for USF two thousand and

1053
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: Pro two thousand. He's running in GTD in the twenty

1054
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: one Ferrari coming up this weekend as well. All right,

1055
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: sports car stuff this weekend, Oh times, Peacock is where

1056
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: you have us on Saturday with the Michelin Pilot Challenge

1057
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: race at twelve thirty. Right after that, about fifteen minutes

1058
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: in between qualifying, we cover qualifying from three to fifteen

1059
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: till five five fifteen. Then on Sunday, race time begins

1060
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: at eleven thirty Peacock. Then we're on NBC as well

1061
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: at three o'clock, so the last what two and a

1062
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 2: half hours, maybe it's three hours will be on NBC. Yeah,

1063
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: we're probably on until six o'clock, so look for that.

1064
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: There's nothing also on Sunday afternoon, right, you're gonna be

1065
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: watching sports car racing, so looking forward to that. All right,

1066
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: let's get to the Twitter xbox and see what we

1067
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: have so far from Christensen, were there any thoughts of

1068
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: a shared Fox NASCAR weekend at Texas Motor Speedway on

1069
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: Saturday May second? Do you think it would work or

1070
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: would it take away from Arlington? Chris? That's a great question,

1071
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: So I will admit I had thoughts of that. Did

1072
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: anyone in charge have thoughts of that? I do not know.

1073
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: I've not heard. You know, I've mentioned on this show

1074
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: over the summer that I've heard a lot of tracks

1075
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: thrown out there, some that surprised me as being possibilities.

1076
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: Not once did I hear Texas mentioned by any of

1077
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: these people. And in my opinion, the only way it

1078
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 2: would be worth right now going back to Texas is

1079
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: it if it is shared with now Car because it

1080
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: just wasn't working. So something is going to need to change.

1081
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: The sport is going to have to be a lot stronger.

1082
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: You're going to have to have a great television window.

1083
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: You know, it can't be eleven am on Sunday morning

1084
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: local time. That's just not going to work. But man,

1085
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: that seems like a good date. And I believe I

1086
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: would have mentioned that when we were going through the

1087
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: NASCAR schedule, and I know I talked about Watkins Glenn

1088
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: and the gap there in the summer with Cup moving

1089
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: to May, and I talked about Phoenix which is going

1090
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: to happen, and I would think I would have mentioned

1091
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: Texas along with two or three other tracks as well.

1092
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know if IndyCar is just not interested.

1093
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: More likely NASCAR would not be interested. That would seem

1094
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: to be perfect. And Roger Penske has said and others

1095
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: have said, we'd really like to have an oval before

1096
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: the Indy five hundred, and that was one of the

1097
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: reasons why they, you know, still tried to fit a

1098
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: square peg into a round hole those last couple of

1099
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 2: years at Texas. There was not a lot of reason

1100
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: to think that that was going to be commercially viable

1101
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: on a Sunday morning. But we're desperate, That's kind of it.

1102
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: I think we were desperate needed ovals, wanted something before

1103
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 2: the five hundred. It turns out, yeah, that doesn't work.

1104
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: They don't have to have it. Now they do. They

1105
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: have Phoenix, very different type of oval, and that's better

1106
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: than nothing. And that's the way it used to be

1107
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: back in the day. I think Phoenix was often the

1108
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: only oval race. I could be wrong on that, but

1109
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: I think there have been times when Phoenix was the

1110
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: only oval before the Indy five hundred. So that's the

1111
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: one to ask someone. I hope that they could maybe

1112
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: revisit that, and this is a tryout for Phoenix. It's

1113
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: a one year deal, needs to go well, needs to

1114
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: work logistically, and it is their event, it's NASCAR's event,

1115
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: so we the IndyCar world, we're going to have to

1116
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: play now ice and get along. And that's why I

1117
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: said last hour. You know, I think as much as

1118
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: anything this is going to be, it's gonna be IndyCar

1119
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: promoting NASCAR. But it does work or is beneficial because

1120
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: it's Fox promoting Fox, and Fox is a not just

1121
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: a partner with IndyCar. They are a part owner of IndyCar.

1122
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: So there is value in that, and there's still going

1123
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: to be you know, I saw Ryan Blaney on a

1124
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: podcast talking about how much he is looking forward to

1125
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: seeing the IndyCar is going six seconds faster than a

1126
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: cup car. There, you're still going to get some value

1127
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: by just the endorsement of the NASCAR drivers talking about

1128
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: wanting to see IndyCar. Racers like watching racing. Those drivers

1129
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: will watch IndyCar. The IndyCar people want to see NASCAR.

1130
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: Hopefully this year they let the IndyCar people into the

1131
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: NASCAR patic. They didn't do that the last time around.

1132
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: It kind of worked one way but not the other.

1133
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 2: But again, that's a hard garage to get into. It's

1134
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: not the patic over there, it's the garage. It is

1135
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: tough to get in the NASCAR garage. Robert Polissek asks

1136
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: or says no. He asked thoughts on Nashville's return to

1137
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: the finale in twenty seven. I view the move to

1138
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: post World Cup Finals a strong move by Fox and

1139
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm just hopeful Laguna isn't back to

1140
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: stay as a finale beyond twenty six. What are your thoughts?

1141
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: So my thoughts don't matter. I'll go by what was said,

1142
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: and I believe what was said yesterday by IndyCar officials

1143
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 2: was the plan is Laguna Seka is the finale for

1144
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. They don't plan on bouncing things back

1145
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: and forth. So that's what was said, and I take

1146
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: that to be true. That would make some sense. But

1147
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: I also know things are sub change and we talked

1148
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: a lot about that flip last year. Ultimately, you'd like

1149
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: to have Nashville in both positions. And still my dream

1150
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: move is that the street race comes back after the

1151
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: new Titan Stadium is done. And it may not be

1152
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: racing down Broadway, but you're using the bridge and something

1153
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 2: somewhat similar to what was done a few years ago,

1154
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: and then Nashville races the first week ind of May

1155
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: before the indiegp or something like that. I think that

1156
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: market could handle two races, especially if the Oval Race

1157
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: continues to be good. And I still think you're kind

1158
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: of searching for what is the best event. But as

1159
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: Kurt said last hour, Laguna Seka does have some momentum

1160
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: and I do like it from this standpoint. This is

1161
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: one of those tracks that people have wondered about, and honestly,

1162
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: it's on the schedule because they were willing to pay

1163
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: full sanctioning fee. This is the one that is out

1164
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: there public one point five million dollars. If they're willing

1165
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 2: to do that, you want this to be on the schedule. Now.

1166
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: You also want it to be a strong event, and

1167
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: you want them to continue to want and be and

1168
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 2: see the return on paying that sanctioning fee. So let's

1169
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: make it better. And Mel Harder, who knows IndyCar well

1170
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: very well from all sides, is in charge, and I'm

1171
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: optimistic about Laguna Seca and they're strengthening the facilities even more.

1172
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: The crowd was up this year. Why not grow that

1173
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more Nashville. I think people are going

1174
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: to want to see because it's a good race. And yeah,

1175
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: maybe forty five minutes out of town, but it's still

1176
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: close enough. People want to go to Nashville at all

1177
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: times of the year. That race I think should be

1178
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: able to stand on its own whenever it is. Laguna

1179
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: Seka is one of those that by making it something

1180
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: where it's the championship, it's the celebration, there's going to

1181
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: be a lot of entertainment there. Maybe that helps it

1182
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 2: by being the season finale again. Lynn Drive for seven,

1183
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: Lynn underscore IndyCar. Do you think IndyCar should go to Monterey,

1184
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: Mexico instead of Mexico City? Lynn says I do because one,

1185
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: it's Poddo's hometown. Two not dealing with Liberty Media. Three

1186
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 2: three hours south of Texas. Four the second best track

1187
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: in Mexico. So I will defer I have no opinion.

1188
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 2: I've never been to Mexico City. I've never been to Monterey,

1189
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: so I have no idea about this track. My assumption

1190
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 2: would be they've looked into this and they've tried, and

1191
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: if it was an option, they would have done it

1192
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: and commercially. Now, if IndyCar was just willing to rent

1193
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: something and do it all on their own, which it

1194
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like they are, and I'm not sure they should.

1195
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to promote a race in Des Moines,

1196
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 2: Iowa when you don't live in Des Moines, Iowa. How

1197
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: hard do you think it is to promote a race

1198
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: in another country that you're not familiar with? I would.

1199
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: I know people give Mark Miles a hard time about

1200
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 2: not getting this done in the past, you know, last

1201
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: year or two years, in the comments that he's made,

1202
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: but I don't think anyone was willing to front its

1203
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: to promote it until this recent group, and even that

1204
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: didn't get to the finish line. But I think it's

1205
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: a bad idea for IndyCar to try to promote event,

1206
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: to pretend like they know the market in a country

1207
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: where it's going to be difficult. You're gonna have to

1208
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: learn the language first of all to be able to

1209
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: get that done. So I'm not sure that that's a

1210
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: great idea, And that's probably the biggest obstacle that someone

1211
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 2: was willing to say, all right, I think we can

1212
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 2: do something in Mexico City. Maybe that can get resurrected

1213
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: if they find too many obstacles in Mexico City, but

1214
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 2: I think they would have done that if they could. Next,

1215
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: Muhammad has several questions summer sports car related. I'm gonna

1216
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: push those down because I don't pretend to know World

1217
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 2: Endurance Championship and what's gonna happen over there. But he

1218
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: asks about his man, Renasvk and what's going on there.

1219
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: So I had no sourcing on this. Mine was a

1220
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: guestimate that he was going to end up at aj Foyts,

1221
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,560
Speaker 2: and I think others had some sourcing because it was

1222
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: written in a few places. But I think maybe I

1223
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 2: did a copy and paste. I think I did. Marshall

1224
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 2: Prutt wrote something on racer dot com last week. Let

1225
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 2: me read along rather than try to remember that here

1226
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 2: it is. Multiple sources told racer dot com former Dale

1227
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: Coin Racing driver Renasvk was headed to aj foyd Racing,

1228
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: but new and significant doubt has been cast on that move,

1229
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 2: which could put the Dutchman in play at Honkos Hollinger

1230
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: Racing and Rayhall Letterman Lannigan Racing. So my best guess,

1231
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 2: and it's only a guess, I saw her Cardo Junkos

1232
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: the victory celebration last night, said hello, but did not

1233
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: ask him anything. Didn't see anyone else that would know.

1234
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: My guess is if he indeed has something else, and

1235
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm also now hearing from more people he's not going

1236
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: to fight, and Malucas is still going to Penske. I

1237
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: think either of these could be announced soon. But my

1238
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: guess is Renus is going to Hunkos Hollinger, and that

1239
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: surprises me a little bit. But the first thought I

1240
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: have is, so once we all kind of started thinking

1241
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: he was going to Foight, the assumption there would be, well,

1242
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: Penske is still going to be supporting that program to

1243
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: some extent because they're going to need the money from somewhere.

1244
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: And that makes me a little bit concerned that Penske

1245
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 2: is not necessarily still supporting Foight financially, and that may

1246
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 2: have been very clearly stated this was a one and

1247
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: done deal. We are doing it because we have dibbs

1248
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 2: on David Malucas and he is an essentially our driver

1249
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: of the future and we want him in a seat

1250
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 2: that is proper. And now that is done and he's

1251
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: going to be moving to Penske, and we'll still share

1252
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: technical information. Although I need to see that confirmed too.

1253
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if that continues. I think it's got

1254
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: a chance because Miles Row is still going. Miles is

1255
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 2: doing another season with Able Motorsports has to be supported

1256
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: by Penske Entertainment and the Drive for Diversity program. Actually

1257
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: it's not called Drive for Diversity. That's the NASCAR name

1258
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 2: of it. I will find in my notes exactly because

1259
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: I always have notes in front of me for the telecasts,

1260
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: but the Race for Quality and Change to announce that

1261
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 2: this soon, somebody is paying for it, so has to

1262
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: still be Penske. And you know, the common thought is

1263
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: and was, when Miles Row is ready, that's going to

1264
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: be a perfect place to place him at AJ Foyd Racing.

1265
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think I've said this before,

1266
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: maybe I have on this show. I think it's very

1267
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: viable to consider Miles Row for a one off for

1268
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: the Indy five hundred. I like that he's coming back

1269
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: and doing another year for Indy Next. It was debatable,

1270
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, he won two races, both on OVAL's, but

1271
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: he had podiums on road courses. Some have moved up

1272
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 2: to IndyCar with far less credentials than Miles. They could

1273
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 2: have pushed that along, but it would be tough. He

1274
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: is going to be better prepared with another year in

1275
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: Indy Next. But I do think it's viable. He's done

1276
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: well on the oval races and it can help the events.

1277
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: They still need car count. I think they'll get to

1278
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 2: thirty three pretty quickly. I'm still hopeful somehow there's thirty five.

1279
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't like thirty four that much, but there still

1280
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: is some value at LEAs having some bumping that's got

1281
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: to be paid for. But Miles is a worthy candidate.

1282
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 2: I hope that can happen. I'd love to see him

1283
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: in the Indy five hundred along with this full season

1284
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 2: Indie Next program for next year. Back to Renus VK.

1285
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that Penske is still a technical partner

1286
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 2: with Foight. I'm hoping that Penske is still supporting them,

1287
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: or they've got some other ideas. I saw Larry last

1288
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: night too. It wasn't really a reporter idea. It was

1289
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 2: just kind of they hied everybody finished the season kind

1290
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: of thing. So why would Renus leave coin for junk

1291
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:45,839
Speaker 2: goes Hollinger. Well, maybe just a little steadier ground with funding,

1292
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 2: and I'm sure would have to do with the comfort

1293
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: level when you talk to Brad Hollinger and you talk

1294
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: to Ricardo and what types of things do you have

1295
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: in play? And what we always say the answer to

1296
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: your question is money. What was his salary at Coin

1297
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: wasn't all that high? Probably can be higher at Hunkoh's

1298
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: hoilingers so and especially if they only ask you to

1299
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: sign a one year deal, who knows. If I'm the team,

1300
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 2: I'm probably if I'm paying him and not requiring him

1301
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: to bring any sponsorship, I'm probably saying I want options

1302
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 2: to make it multiple years. But and the reason, if

1303
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm rinas I'd want one is because there are a

1304
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 2: lot of drivers, There are a lot of seats open

1305
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 2: after twenty six, They're gonna is going to potentially being

1306
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: more change next year. So if he out kicks his

1307
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 2: coverage again in twenty six, he might be high on

1308
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: the free agent list. Or maybe the other thought is,

1309
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 2: you know, if many of these big name drivers are

1310
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: free agents, maybe I'm not p one anymore. So I'm

1311
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: not going to strike here. And I do think Khunkos

1312
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: is on the rise. I think there are possibilities there,

1313
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: So that's my best guess on that front. Tommy the

1314
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: treat one after Dennis Howger's successful switch from F to

1315
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: two to winning Indie next, do you see other drivers

1316
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: from F two trying to do the same thing. If so,

1317
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,560
Speaker 2: do you see he's certain drivers in mind, or do

1318
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: you have any in mind? No, I'm I'm I'm not

1319
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 2: watched an F two race all year. Actually that's wrong.

1320
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 2: I did watch an F two race early in the

1321
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: season because I know a kid racing in F two.

1322
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: His name is Max Esterson. Where's Max from? He's from

1323
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 2: the East Coast. Is he around the Pittsburgh area? I forget,

1324
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 2: But Max was teammates with Jackson in the UK and

1325
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: Formula Fords, and they ran here together a little bit

1326
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 2: and we bump into Max every once in a while.

1327
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: So I think I did watch a race. I'm not

1328
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 2: talked to Max, but I wonder if he's one that

1329
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 2: is coming over. He's not had great success. I don't

1330
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 2: know what team he was on, how strong they were

1331
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: or not, but I did just see that he was

1332
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: mutually announced between Max Esterson and his F two team

1333
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 2: that he was leaving effective immediately. So I wonder if

1334
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 2: he's coming home to do the Indie Next Test at

1335
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: Autoble on next week and get prepared for next season.

1336
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 2: That would make a lot of sense. You give it

1337
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 2: a go in Europe like Bryce Aaron did, who and

1338
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: for Ganassi this year, and you say, yeah, we're never

1339
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 2: going to be able to make it to F one.

1340
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: That's not logical, but we've got good racecraft experience. Let's

1341
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: come home to America. I know there's someone else that

1342
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: is signed that is expected to be a championship contender.

1343
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: If you're an Indie Next team, you're looking for the

1344
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: next Dennis Hauger, somebody that's won races before in F

1345
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 2: two that realizes I'm not getting a Formula one and

1346
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: it's half the budget to come over and run Indy Next,

1347
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: or maybe just a little more than half. I think

1348
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: F two can be two and a half three million dollars.

1349
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: Some over there are subsidized a little bit. Full budget

1350
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: over here, if you're paying full price is about one

1351
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: point five to one point six million in that range.

1352
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 2: That might include crash damage for some teams. It doesn't

1353
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: include crash damage, so add in probably a couple of

1354
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 2: hunds thousand on that, but you will see some new names.

1355
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: It will start to see some of those trickle out

1356
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: here in the next little while. Tyler Wong sixty five.

1357
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: Do you see a chance of IndyCar adding a street

1358
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: race in Denver in twenty seven or is twenty eight

1359
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: the most likely possibility? I don't know a timeline. Kurt

1360
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: mentioned it again, and apparently Mark Miles mentioned it on

1361
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: A Kyle yesterday. That is a very open, non secretive secret.

1362
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: It's been spoken about that they are efforting this to

1363
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 2: get it to the finish line is another factor. I

1364
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 2: had heard someone tell me it was gonna happen a

1365
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: few months ago this year, but I think they were

1366
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 2: just a little bit confused. The more people I asked,

1367
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 2: it was no, this was always looking at twenty seven.

1368
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: And maybe that has to do with the timeline of

1369
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: the new stadium build and when they would have the

1370
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 2: space and so forth to do that. But yeah, it's possibility,

1371
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: and that'll be nice. That means there's going to be competition.

1372
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't do a double header, maybe you still do,

1373
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: and it's let's choose. From our strongest I think they

1374
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: could go up to eighteen if all is going well,

1375
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 2: unless television ratings really sore, and revenue is really coming

1376
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: in to share with the teams or sponsorship is on

1377
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 2: a rise. I think going past eighteen in the near

1378
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 2: future is not likely. Mister James Clark contribute question. You

1379
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 2: can ask Kurt apologies he's gone, but you actually answered

1380
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 2: it here and Kurt was tagged on it, so he

1381
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: would have had the answer. So we'll just talk amongst

1382
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: ourselves with this. Who was the last driver to make

1383
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: their F two debut after their IndyCar debut? And James says,

1384
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: answer is Poto Award, who made one F two start

1385
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen after his IndyCar debut in eighteen. Yeah,

1386
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,839
Speaker 2: he did that, and what he was doing super formula

1387
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 2: as well, and then they discovered, ooh, he doesn't have

1388
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 2: a super license because the year he won the Indie

1389
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 2: Lights Championship did not qualify. I think that the going

1390
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: he was a Red Bull development driver and they had

1391
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: thoughts of moving up up very quickly because he was

1392
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 2: a champion. But there is a provision that there must

1393
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: be a certain amount of drivers in that championship, and

1394
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 2: that was the year that there were sometimes six cars

1395
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: and I think the average was probably about eight now

1396
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: it was deep. It was four or five deep, and

1397
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: it was Colton Hurt and Podo Award and others battling

1398
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: for that championship. But that was one of the reasons

1399
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: why that got derailed. He worked out pretty well. Even

1400
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 2: at that time. Zach Brown was starting to ask around.

1401
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 2: I remember at Long Beach, Zach was there and he

1402
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: was asking people, what do you think of Podo Award

1403
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,799
Speaker 2: he had I can't remember if he was still driving

1404
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: for Carlin or if that had already fallen out, or

1405
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: maybe he was doing just partial and was doing more races,

1406
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 2: but Zach was thinking about him at that time, and

1407
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 2: it worked out quite well. All right, more Twitter questions

1408
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: and comments coming up in just a moment, and we've

1409
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: got plenty of other things we can talk about too.

1410
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: Stick with us a Trackside ninety three to five, one

1411
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: oh seven five the fan. Hi, this is David Lucas

1412
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 2: and you're listening to track side. Okay, let's continue with

1413
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 2: some of the things we've missed, and just keep going

1414
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 2: through the Twitter box the xbox. Indy car Ken points

1415
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: me to a Team Penske tweet from late this afternoon,

1416
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: and we see that I mentioned that I thought we

1417
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: might see Melucas news soon, and well, this isn't Melucas news,

1418
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: but it's pretty close to it. It is a teaser

1419
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 2: for an announcement coming up tomorrow, and it has trying

1420
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 2: to pull it up. It's an incoming phone call. It's

1421
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: it's clearly they're announcing who's going to be driving the

1422
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: Verizon car. So there you go. I think we'll get

1423
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: the DAVI of Malucas official confirmation for that one tomorrow.

1424
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: What else? Chris mister CMB ninety just comment says he's

1425
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: pumped for the IndyCar doubleheader at the Milwaukee Mile, looking

1426
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: forward to making the drive from Detroit. Yeah, I get it.

1427
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm not, as I said, huge fan of the Milwaukee Mile.

1428
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: My reasoning may be flawed. It's more then, I'm a

1429
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: stats person and I like to remember who won the weekend,

1430
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: and it becomes a little more confusing. But if I'm

1431
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: a fan traveling, you know, I've always said, when I

1432
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: go to a race, or might go to any kind

1433
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 2: of sporting event, if you can add more to it

1434
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: than just that event, than all the better. So you

1435
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 2: look at what else there is to do, and in

1436
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: this case, if you're just all about the racing. Having

1437
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: another race is even better. And last weekend's doubleheader was good.

1438
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 2: So if you're going to have one, like I said,

1439
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that's a good place to have one. Tom

1440
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 2: Robbins Tom Robs seventy six has come on nothing in

1441
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 2: the New England area again now Mexico, but is expected

1442
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 2: from what I understand, getting something in the whether it

1443
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: be New England Northeast or maybe just call it East,

1444
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: is a high priority. Where's that going to be? You know,

1445
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: I've heard I think I've even read maybe Adam Stern

1446
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: wrote this or someone else that Philadelphia is mentioned. I

1447
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: think you just think any big market where there is

1448
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 2: the space to do something around a football stadium, and

1449
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: Philadelphia is a market that could work, so hopefully they

1450
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 2: can get something done. NASCAR's at they a loud or

1451
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire they're at Loud New Hampshire coming up

1452
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 2: this weekend. So that is one that I've always been

1453
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: interested in, but I don't know that it's coming anytime soon. Again,

1454
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 2: that's another one I have not heard mentioned. Speaking of

1455
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 2: the East, I was in the East over the weekend

1456
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 2: weekend off, so we went to Boston for the weekend

1457
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: to do some different things, including walk the Freedom Trail.

1458
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: We walked down by the waterfront and didn't I didn't

1459
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 2: take the time to see what the prospective map was

1460
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 2: going to be. But when I tweeted a couple of

1461
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: pictures of Paul Revere's house and some of the pubs

1462
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: on the Freedom Trail, the Sincy Buckeye responded. Boston twenty

1463
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: twenty six confirmed the Jason Hatfield said, ooh, scouting out

1464
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 2: the famed IndyCar Boston track layout. Oh wait, so actually

1465
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: someone this year at Fox that hadn't been around IndyCar

1466
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 2: for a little while, you know, and we're just kind

1467
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: of spitballing and talking about markets and was mentioned, you know,

1468
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: Boston would be great, and I said, ooh, do a

1469
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 2: Google search. And that's probably why that's gonna be tough.

1470
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: I think there are probably lawsuits still pending. But you

1471
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: know what I wish, I wish that could be resurrected

1472
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: Baltimore and Baltimore was great. It's so expensive to do

1473
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 2: stree races, and there's so many entities involved and so

1474
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 2: much pushback. I've already seen that some people at Markham

1475
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 2: are complaining, and I get it. If it was going

1476
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 2: through my front yard too, and it was going to

1477
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 2: impact me, because let's face it, we're all about us.

1478
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: We always are, and if it impacts us negatively or

1479
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 2: we don't care about that. You know, It's like if

1480
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: there is if there is a parade that blocks you

1481
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: from getting you in your neighborhood, you're all for that parade,

1482
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: but it's no I got to leave the house or

1483
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: I got to get back into the house. So you

1484
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 2: are concerned about the greater good, and the greater good

1485
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: is always looking out for number one. But man, if

1486
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 2: they could get past that, Boston would be the perfect spot.

1487
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how they were going to do that

1488
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: track there and how you make that happen, but at

1489
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: one point it was. It's unfortunately just the local promoter

1490
01:26:55,479 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 2: had some problems there. What else. Steve Schmidts at Hail

1491
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 2: Purdue asks any idea how tickets work for the Phoenix

1492
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 2: Infinity Double. Pir doesn't know, which is hilariously on brand,

1493
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: so he said this yesterday. The reality is it was

1494
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: announced yesterday. So normally tickets for motorsports events do not

1495
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: go on sale at the time. I'm sure someone at

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01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 2: pir knew, but oftentimes we don't see tickets go on

1497
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: sale until I don't know how long before an event. Now,

1498
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 2: this one's going to need to get on the gidea

1499
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: up pretty soon because this is a March event, so

1500
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 2: it's not long. I would ask that same question and

1501
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: tag the track on social media and tag IndyCar. Call

1502
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 2: the IndyCar office, say I want to buy tickets. Surely

1503
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 2: someone will hook you up with how to purchase tickets

1504
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: for that one. The Cincy Buckeye posts this, it's a graphic.

1505
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 2: It's Grid saying we have seen Alex before. His name

1506
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: is Rick Mears. Compare their stats through Alex's twenty five

1507
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: season and up to rick San Air crash. That's where

1508
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 2: his feet were very mangled. And since he Buckeye says,

1509
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: I often think Mears gets overlooked other than Indy because

1510
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: San Air robbed us of him and his peak and longevity. Agreed. Now,

1511
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't around for the beginning of Mears time. I

1512
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 2: was around, but I wasn't paying attention at that time.

1513
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 2: I was going to grade school. But I've thought of

1514
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: that too, that this is a guy that compares and

1515
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 2: I do know history a bit, and I know that

1516
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 2: Mears would have been even better than he was if

1517
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: he was still able to be the type of driver

1518
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: he was on road courses. So here are the stats.

1519
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Starts ninety four to ninety eight merors Is. I'm going

1520
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: to list first wins. Twenty one to nineteen Mears had more.

1521
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Mears had won twenty two percent of his races nineteen percent.

1522
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 2: Polo has two more podiums, four more starts, but close enough.

1523
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 2: Poting percentage almost identical, just shy of forty five percent.

1524
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Mears had won two to Indy five hundreds Polo one

1525
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 2: at this point Championships, Mears had three Polo four. That

1526
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: is a great comparison, and we will hope the best

1527
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: for Polo in the second half of his second half.

1528
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 2: Uh next two thirds or three fourths of his career

1529
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: at this point are all possible. Indy kr Ken says

1530
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 2: the World Cup's good opportunity in twenty six I'd much

1531
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: rather take my chances with a potential playoff in a

1532
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 2: live tournament for a lead in versus Bass Masters. Cooper

1533
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: at racer X Underscore sixty six says, listening to last

1534
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: week's episode, he may actually have sent that in. At

1535
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: the end of last week's episodes. Two weeks ago, he

1536
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 2: made the comment regarding Toronto that increasingly people didn't know

1537
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 2: the race was in town. The same can be said

1538
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 2: about Portland. The common thread the promo I could go on,

1539
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 2: but I'm running out of characters. Cooper says, yeah, okay,

1540
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 2: that is true. I would also say, in fairness to

1541
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 2: that promoter also does one of the top three events

1542
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 2: behind Indy Long Beach in Saint Pete that does really

1543
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 2: really well, and I think midd Ohio does really really well.

1544
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 2: I don't know what the number is at mid Ohio.

1545
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 2: It's one of the beauties of places like that. They

1546
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: really aren't stands, but it looks good and it's not

1547
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 2: just a Sunday crowd. There are people there on Saturday.

1548
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 2: There are people there on Friday as well. So it's

1549
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: I always say this, it's easy to spend other people's money,

1550
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 2: and I'm including myself in those comments because we all

1551
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: want more. But when you're spending money on advertising, you

1552
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 2: want to make sure that you're going to get that back,

1553
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: and it's so hard to decide how to advertise. We

1554
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: can't just say well, I didn't hear a radio commercial.

1555
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 2: That's anecdotal listening to every radio station at every moment

1556
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: of the day and tracking what the buy is unless

1557
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 2: you are you know, you don't know billboards, those can

1558
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: be pricey. I still think billboards work, but I'm also

1559
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: not an advertising genius in that front. Social media work

1560
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: things that don't cost anything. You know, getting out and

1561
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 2: doing some boots on the ground thing often works, but

1562
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 2: it is definitely hard to get this done. Tyler Wong

1563
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: sixty five sent out a chart and tag me and

1564
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 2: the broadcast crew, and I don't know where he found

1565
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: these ratings, but I've often talked this year that I

1566
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: want to know what the total numbers were, you know,

1567
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 2: not just that the race broadcasts were up twenty seven

1568
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 2: percent because you had one hundred percent network nothing where

1569
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 2: you were depending on streaming or on a cable channel.

1570
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: But you know, I thought you were getting somewhere between

1571
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 2: one hundred between fifteen one hundred and fifty for these

1572
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 2: practice sessions. Well, Tyler often posts ratings, and I see,

1573
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 2: like the race ratings out from the usual suspects, but

1574
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: he's got practice ratings in here going through the season,

1575
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: and you know, there are a lot of one hundred

1576
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 2: and sixteens. There's a two hundred and twenty. No, there's

1577
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 2: a there's some twenty three thousands, especially on the FS

1578
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 2: two's there's some FS two ratings that are higher than

1579
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: I expected, and a lot of practices that are over

1580
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand. Indie Next races look like they averaged

1581
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 2: about one hundred and twenty thousand on the year. That

1582
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 2: is very impactful, So good work on that. Thanks for

1583
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: sharing that, Forrest Tyler. All right, I'll check in to

1584
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 2: see what else we've missed in more coming up in

1585
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 2: a moment on track side.

1586
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 4: How this is Scott McLachlan and you're listening to track

1587
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 4: side on ninety three five and one I seven five

1588
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 4: the fan.

1589
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we missed in the final segment, actually a

1590
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 2: couple of significant things. I probably we should have moved

1591
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 2: to Pire. Maybe we'll touch on it a little bit

1592
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: more earlier next week. But Marshall Proud at racer dot

1593
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 2: com reported last week that Willpower is going to have

1594
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 2: a different engineer than Colden hurd Ahead. Nathan O'Rourke had

1595
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 2: been Colden's engineer the entire time that he was there,

1596
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 2: very well regarded, and he is going to be moving

1597
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: to a shop based role at his request. This is

1598
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 2: often the case. It's grind being on the road, especially

1599
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,560
Speaker 2: if you're a relatively young young person and you have

1600
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: a family and you're you know, it's kind of a

1601
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 2: seven day a week thing for a long time to

1602
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 2: be the lead engineer. So he's going to take this

1603
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 2: opportunity to step back and TBD on who that will be.

1604
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 2: According to Rob Edwards, so they could promote from within

1605
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:53,879
Speaker 2: from their indie next team. Remember Olivia Bolson is available.

1606
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 2: They were trying to kind of jumpstart Marcus Erickson's program

1607
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 2: and reassigned Olivier to work on shop based program. So

1608
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 2: there's someone right there that is very well regarded. Maybe

1609
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: they feel like they need depth and they need multiple

1610
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 2: engineers not on cars doing extra things, so a no sourcing.

1611
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 2: No one has told me this, but I've said this often.

1612
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: If Ron Razuski wants to work, someone's going to hire

1613
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 2: Ron Rezuski whenever his non compete is over. Ron is

1614
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 2: an engineer, and that's what he was for a long time,

1615
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 2: was a Penske engineer that became a team manager and

1616
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 2: a strategist. So he could simply fill that, combine that

1617
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 2: and be the strategist at the same time, or he

1618
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 2: could simply come on and become a strategist. He could

1619
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 2: he could join that team. I think every team, it's

1620
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 2: not like they need to replace anyone or fire anyone.

1621
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Everyone can use more smart people. So no idea if

1622
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 2: that's where he ends up. Maybe he's already agreed somewhere else,

1623
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 2: or maybe he's decided I to take some more time

1624
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: off in that regard. And we got some more word

1625
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 2: on Aera McClaren from The Indianapolis Star last week that

1626
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 2: in TT Data already they have been informed by the

1627
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 2: contract that they're out with Aerol McLaren after one more year.

1628
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 2: They had to inform the team by the end of

1629
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 2: this year. So in some ways does that strengthen the

1630
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 2: argument that by not having Alex Polow driving the NTT

1631
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 2: Data car in that lawsuit between Polo and McLaren, where

1632
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:33,560
Speaker 2: did I read this? So I think Marshall wrote this

1633
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 2: as well, that Polow might have been in for an

1634
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 2: accurate ride at Petite Lama in sports cars, but knew

1635
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 2: he needed to say no because he may be busy,

1636
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 2: because that's when this may come to a head. In

1637
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 2: October somewhere around that time, we're out of time. We'll

1638
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 2: see you next Tuesday night, unless The Fever are playing.

1639
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on track side