1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel. Do you believe these characters are weirdos? Mind? 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: Him is Nigel Chase Cinnehammer is out, the gun guy, 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Guy Relford is in. Guy Ralford had quite the interesting evening, 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: to say the least. We will get to that coming 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: up in Monday gun Day. I'm sorry you go through 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: so I don't know how you put up with some 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: of the crap that you do, Guy, But the story 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: you have to tell during Monday gun Day is it's 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: just I'm shaking my head so annoying. 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: But what we'll get to it, as you said, But 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: I also I'm not going to blow it out of proportion. Algabon, 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: right on, right on. 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: The old man went and did it. He did it. 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Governor Braun, planning to call lawmakers back to the state 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: House next month to redraw Indiana's congressional districts and address 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: the secondary the state and federal tax compliance is you, 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: but I think it's Monday. They're calling the session for 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: redistricting November third. Governor Brown, earlier this morning on social media, quote, 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: I am calling a special legislative session to protect Hoosiers 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: from efforts in other states that seek to diminish their 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: voice in Washington and ensure their representation in Congress is fair. 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: So look, man, I've been on the fence about this, 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: like I'm not anti redistricting, kind of like Rob Kendall is. 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, look, if the goal is 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: Republican nomination guy, or at least to give the left 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: as little voice as possible, then this is the right call, 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: is it not. I mean people's going to say it's 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: purely politically motivated, but yeah, it's politics. 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: This is what this is. Well, let's take a quick 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: step back though, calling the special sessions? Would you have 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: won the vote on that, on whether Governor Brown was 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: going to call the special session or not? 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Well, he was in here the last time he was 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: in here, I believe was last week, and he seemed 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: pretty confident that he was going to a call the 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: special session and b that he had the votes. 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So so this did not come as a surprise 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: to you when he called this. 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: It didn't come as a surprise to me only because 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: of his attitude and demeanor when we were talking to 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: him about face. 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: To face in studio right right here on hammer in Nigel. Okay, Well, 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: and so now that now that it's called then your 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: next question, Uh, I think it is the most important one, 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: which is this really a good thing or a bad 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: Is this a good thing or a long or a 47 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: bad thing long term for Hoosiers. I think that that 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: becomes a really interesting question. 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: Well, look, if you if you think honest representation is 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: what's right, then this seems a little unethical, even though 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: they have every right, every right to do it, and 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: other states have done it, and California is going to 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: do it and counter and and and just look, the 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: thing is, they didn't call a special session for property tax. 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: They didn't call you know, all other things, all sorts 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: of things that they could be concentrating on right now. 57 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: But there does go back to the votes for a second. 58 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: There does seem to be questions as to whether or 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: not they have the votes. So, but why would Braun 60 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: call a special session if he didn't have the votes 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: to redistrict? That's the question you have to break down 62 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: and analyze. 63 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the answer I have an answer for it. 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a correct one or not, 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: but theorizing my answer would be that this gets Washington 66 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: office back and you know, he doesn't have to take 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: calls from the Vice president, and the more, you know, 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: more visits from the Vice president, the calls from Trump, 69 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: you know, more calls for who's your lawmakers to come 70 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: sit down and get lobbied. In Washington, he can say, hey, 71 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: I called a special session. Now you got to go 72 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: talk to those guys in the General Assembly because they 73 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: didn't vote for it. 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's a risky call too, because Donald 75 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: Trump could just call him back, or people that are 76 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: are in positions of power could look at Braun and say, look, 77 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: you can't lead lead these guys. You didn't get the votes. 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: What are you talking about. You called it special session, 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: but you didn't get the vote. So it's not a 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: matter of bronze saying, hey, look I called it special session. 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I wipe you know, I'm ponscious pilot. I boy wiped 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: my hands clean of this. I washed my hands clean. 83 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: You know, we tried to get the votes. We didn't 84 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: have him. But then he kind of looks like a 85 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: feckless leader at that point, because you know, when you 86 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: don't call a special session on property taxes because you 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: don't have the votes and then the same thing happened, 88 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: then the risk of the same thing happens with redistricting. 89 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: It's boy, it's a different ballgame. 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: Man. 91 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: Politics is weird. 92 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: It is now. There's one difference in there, which is 93 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: that the legislature voted on property tax, so they had 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: to put their name yeay or nay, up or down 95 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: on which side of the property tax issue they were 96 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: going to vote on, and then it was a matter 97 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: of whether you were going to veto it and make 98 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: them vote a second time. Here that individual legislators, a 99 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: lot of them have expressed opinions on social media or 100 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: publicly or to other forms of media, but a lot 101 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: of them have taken a position. And what this does 102 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: is it forces them to take a position they're going 103 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: to have to be responsible for, not only politically, including 104 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: to Washington where they're getting pressure and you know, threats 105 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: to have them primaried and that type thing, but also 106 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: more importantly to their constituents. But to me, it boils down. 107 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: It's it's really a pretty simple analysis. It really it's 108 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: not complicated. Do you fall on the side of well, 109 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: it may not be right, but we have to fight 110 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: fire with fire because the Democrats do it, I believe that, 111 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: or do you fall on the other side, which is 112 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: is just not really right, and we ought to fairly 113 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: allow districts to represent and the people that live in 114 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: those districts politically and not try to manipulate them for 115 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: political means. But it's you're in the either in the 116 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: fight fire with fire camp, or you're it's not really 117 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: the right thing to do camp. And and I think 118 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: logical people can follow on either side of that line. 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: And I really can't imagine Braun would call that special 120 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: session if he knew if he doesn't have the votes yet, 121 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: then you know, the leadership of the Senate is going 122 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: to say to the other squishes in there that are 123 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, look, man, this is this is basically a 124 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: way to pressure reps that are on the fence. Yeah, right, 125 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: if you want a future with this party, you better 126 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: step in line and vote how we want. Then if 127 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: it passes, then Braun's leadership saves the day. 128 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: Well, And it's a great point, notge And it's something 129 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: I learned in the ten year fight for constitutional carry, 130 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: which is getting a vote is the battle. And when 131 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: we finally got a vote, it passed by a significant margin. 132 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: The problem is a lot of people behind closed doors 133 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: were not for it, and we're willing to let it 134 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: die without a vote. In fact, went through all kinds 135 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: of different manipulations to make it die without a vote. 136 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: But when finally called upon to stand up and be 137 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: accountable and vote on the record again for which they 138 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: will have to now be responsible to their constituents, all 139 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: of a sudden, now they're voting for it, So things say, oh, yeah, 140 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: I support the Second Amendment. Behind closed doors, they were 141 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: a hell of a lot weaker on the issue. So 142 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: forcing a vote sometimes is the primary is the primary 143 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: means to achieve your objective, because people will be cowards 144 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: in private, but stand up and do the right thing 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: in public, depending of course, on how you define the 146 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: right thing.