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Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. The headline end of the weekend here,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of sectional basketball for high schools. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: we've got into the regular season for college basketball coming around.

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Speaker 1: Tournament season is right around the corner for US. A

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Speaker 1: lot of the other smaller conferences have already started those things.

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Speaker 1: Pacers continue to do what they're doing in the NBA

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Speaker 1: right now, but we're going to focus on college basketball

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Speaker 1: right now. And just up the street Butler Bulldogs getting

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Speaker 1: ready to finish their regular season tomorrow as well. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about that, and the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Bulldogs joins us now in the Payless Lookers Hotline, as

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Speaker 1: he does every week. That is Dad Madi, Dad, good morning,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. We appreciate it as always. Senior

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Speaker 1: Night for your guys the other night. That's always special

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Speaker 1: for a coach and the players. Right what was yours?

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Speaker 2: Like? Not good? Not good? You? That was you know,

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Speaker 2: one of those games as a coach that you have

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Speaker 2: and you don't know why you have them, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we just weren't as we weren't as good as we

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Speaker 2: needed to be and and uh really lack some toughness

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Speaker 2: in the second half, and and uh, I couldn't explain it,

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Speaker 2: but uh, you know, like I said, you you see

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Speaker 2: those games and I've had them before, and you just

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Speaker 2: hate for it to be the last one and hankle

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Speaker 2: filled us on your home court and last time you

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Speaker 2: playing there. But uh, we got to get things corrected

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Speaker 2: and uh as we go to Chicago here this afternoon

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Speaker 2: and get ready tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 3: Coach, I know it's kind of a reality of today's

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Speaker 3: college basketball climate when the calendar turns to March. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're still playing, but you also have to start thinking

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Speaker 3: about next year. You guys have had a lot of

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Speaker 3: turnover here in recent years. Do you expect a good

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Speaker 3: amount of roster turnover again for next season?

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Speaker 2: You know what? Who knows? You know? The one thing,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing surprises you anymore in this profession. And and

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Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see. We haven't talked about that yet.

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Speaker 2: I think you'll get through next week and uh take

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Speaker 2: a deep breath and and just sort of see where

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Speaker 2: we are are in terms of next year's ruster and

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Speaker 2: putting it together and what we need and all those things.

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Speaker 4: Coach, you all had one two in a row, lost

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Speaker 4: your last two. What do you think needs to change?

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Speaker 4: For this weekend's game and just give yourself a chance

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Speaker 4: to get back on the right track going into the

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Speaker 4: biggest tournament.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got to make some shots. You know, we

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Speaker 2: were until Evan hit two late in the game. We

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Speaker 2: were two for twenty one from three point and I

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Speaker 2: think we made in the last three games fifteen threes

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is. And we're getting good lucks. They're

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Speaker 2: not going down. And but with that said, if if

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Speaker 2: the shots aren't falling, that means you got to play

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Speaker 2: harder on the defensive end. And I think that's one

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Speaker 2: of one of the big keys right now of us,

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Speaker 2: just you know, being able to get a little momentum

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Speaker 2: going throughout the course of the game by making some shots.

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Speaker 2: And I think that'll take a lot of the pressure

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Speaker 2: off of our defense on every possession. So that would

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Speaker 2: be my number one thing right now is just putting

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Speaker 2: the ball in the basket.

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Speaker 3: And Butler to Paul coming up here on Saturday, close

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Speaker 3: out the regular season and then off to the Big

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Speaker 3: East Tournament for thad Amount Company coming next week, Coach,

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Speaker 3: it is a boys sectional semi final night around the state. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: you guys will be up in Chicago, but I would say,

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Speaker 3: given your history and of course being in the state

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Speaker 3: recruiting the state, you maybe have a sectional memory or two,

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Speaker 3: or maybe just a state tournament memory or two from

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Speaker 3: attending a game. Anything come to mind when I bring

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Speaker 3: up the Indian High School boys basketball tournament from your

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Speaker 3: history with it, oh.

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Speaker 2: Man, so many, so many memories, be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can remember when they had the two

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Speaker 2: games on a Saturday in Hinklefield House and just going

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Speaker 2: in there in the place pack going in watching games.

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Speaker 2: I remember buying over one night from Columbus to watch

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Speaker 2: Cathedral and they were holding the ball and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh Man, astute over here to watch. You know it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be four to two or whatever, and find the

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Speaker 2: Cathedral started opening up a little bit. But I remember

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Speaker 2: watching Deshaun Thomas in the state championship game and they

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Speaker 2: or twenty eight foot airbawn Archie Miller was with me

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Speaker 2: and he says, what was that? And I said, oh, wait,

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Speaker 2: it gets better. And I think Deshaun went for like

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Speaker 2: thirty five in the state championship game and they wonted,

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Speaker 2: but so many memories. I still one of my greatest

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Speaker 2: of all time is when Scott Skyles was at Plymouth

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Speaker 2: and the day he had at Marcus Square Arena. That day,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was. That was one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: shows I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: That man joining us on the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Kickers, I gave you a lot more than I just

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Speaker 2: gave you a lot more than what you know it.

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Speaker 1: They're all good.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 2: Coach.

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Speaker 3: I went to Cathedral and Scott Hicks was my pe

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Speaker 3: teacher and he brought up the Scott Skiles performance so

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Speaker 3: many times. You know, I was born nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: so obviously it was not around. But in hearing the

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Speaker 3: Skyles performance and just how Scott Skiles was wired, I

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Speaker 3: don't know, you know how close you were with him,

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Speaker 3: but pretty unique cat and put that Playmouth team on

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Speaker 2: No, that was. That was one of the two greatest

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Speaker 2: performances I've ever seen in my life. When he did

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Speaker 2: that and agad like forty and forty four or something

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Speaker 2: in the two games, it was. It was insane.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is also the same Scott Skyles that had

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Speaker 4: twenty two and thirty in the NBA. The thirty being

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Speaker 4: the assist still has the record for that. So, coach,

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Speaker 4: I do want to pivot a little bit. It was

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Speaker 4: a nice story about you and your daughter and the

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Speaker 4: indie star by Keem Gillespie Ali, and how much she's

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Speaker 4: kind of, you know, been around basketball but in a

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Speaker 4: different way, not really coaching, but helping you along. So

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Speaker 4: can you describe the relationship you two have and what

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Speaker 4: it's meant to kind of have her along for the rock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been it's been unbelievable because I didn't read

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Speaker 2: the article, but you know, she's she's been with me

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Speaker 2: every step of the way and in this process, I

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Speaker 2: mean from when I started her Butler she was a baby,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the move from Butler to Xavier to

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Speaker 2: Ohio State now being back here, and you know, she

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Speaker 2: was a world traveler when she was in college. She's

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Speaker 2: lived in Spain and studied in Spain and did the

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Speaker 2: ship cruise around the world and studied and so now

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Speaker 2: just to have her and and you know, she's, uh,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's just good to see her smile when

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Speaker 2: things aren't going well. She's got a great perspective and Uh,

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Speaker 2: she's she's seen it and uh she's lived it and

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Speaker 2: been I've been blessed to uh to have her here

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Speaker 2: the last three years. She does a great job.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, cool story in the Indie Star today, I

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Speaker 1: do you need to ask you one thing? It was

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Speaker 1: also in the Indie Star after the game the other night,

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Speaker 1: we were quoted as saying, we get calls every day

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Speaker 1: that our guys are being shopped around. Now is everybody's

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Speaker 1: mind where it's supposed to be now? And I guess

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Speaker 1: that's where college basketball is. That's one of the challenges

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Speaker 1: that I probably don't know how to navigate. But where

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Speaker 1: are we with Nil and Butler and guys being poached

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Speaker 1: from one school to another all the time? Like that's

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Speaker 1: just got to keep a coach up at night.

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Speaker 2: I would think, I'm telling you, guys, the things that

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Speaker 2: are going on right now and at this stage is

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Speaker 2: it's haddening. It really is, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: And and uh, you know, you talk to other coaches

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Speaker 2: and you say, hey, how about this, and I go

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Speaker 2: listen to this story. This is what I've got going on,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, it makes it even more challenging.

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Speaker 2: But that's what we have to learn to sort of

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Speaker 2: deal with and and you know, you just you go

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Speaker 2: in day today and noon we're go into practice and

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Speaker 2: we got a coach, we got to teach, and we

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Speaker 2: got get guys ready to play the best can on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And I know that's where it's definitely changed a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit with everything that's going on and being allowed to

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Speaker 1: compensate players at this point in time, do you see

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Speaker 1: a time where a lot of schools will start coming

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Speaker 1: up with just locked down two year contracts that are

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Speaker 1: both ways like kids getting a scholarship for two years

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Speaker 1: and getting paid and that kid cannot go anywhere for

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Speaker 1: two years. Is something like that afoot?

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Speaker 2: Do you think? Oh, yeah, no, no, no doubt about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's that's something that is already out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, coach, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Have fun the rest of the season. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you again soon.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, thank you,