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Speaker 2: No, listen to the Hammer and let show.

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Speaker 3: I could have jumped in way earlier, but that's what

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason Hammer, Big Nige's out guy, Relford the gun

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Speaker 1: Bring on, friend of the show.

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Speaker 3: And part of the morning show on our sister sports station,

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Speaker 3: Window seven five. The fan Kevin Bowen, so KB right

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Speaker 3: out of the gate here, million dollar question, Carly Orsay,

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Speaker 3: does she blow out either Ballard Steichen, either one or both?

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Speaker 1: What do we think?

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Speaker 4: Well, I wish I had our conviction on that. I

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm overwhelmingly holding my breath that

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Speaker 4: A lot of it, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Sevens back to the trading guys in season when they

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Speaker 2: traded for Soardner and just the magnitude of what that

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Speaker 4: You basically said you believed.

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Speaker 2: In Daniel Jones as your franchise quarterback, and you said

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Speaker 2: you believed in Chris Ballard and Chaine Stiken, and so

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Speaker 2: you know, two months later, do all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: Back on that.

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Speaker 2: That's probably where I have a little bit of pause.

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Speaker 2: But I'm obviously there's ample evidence certainly to fire Ballard.

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Speaker 2: You can make a case for Stiking as well, especially

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Speaker 2: if you believe that you tie the GM the head

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Speaker 2: coach at the hit. It'd be you know, rather astonishing

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Speaker 2: and I'd be rather unprecedented to see a GM with

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Speaker 2: Ballards or resume give a ton to year.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not holding my breath necessarily. They'll be ample changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like there are two different things at

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Speaker 3: play here, Kevin. There's the football perspective, there's the business perspective.

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Speaker 3: And football wise, you're right, maybe Carly did sign off

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Speaker 1: I would imagine she had to have done that.

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Speaker 3: And you don't have two first round picks, you don't

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Speaker 3: have a star quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Who do you bring in? That's better?

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Speaker 3: But just from a business perspective, I think they may

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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Well, and I think business too,

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Speaker 2: Hammer I mean Sunday will be the eleventh year, eleven

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Speaker 2: year anniversary since their last home playoff game, I mean

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Speaker 2: eleven years ago. I didn't exercise on our morning each

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Speaker 2: meet in it, you know, the last time the Colts

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Speaker 2: hosted a home playoff game. Like you want to talk finances,

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Speaker 2: you want to talk you know, dollars and cents. I mean,

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Speaker 2: twenty five NFL teams have hosted a home playoff game

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Speaker 5: KB. When I heard that you were going to be

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Speaker 5: to you is is were you at all surprised that

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Speaker 5: were saying, hey, yeah, when we still had a potential shot,

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Speaker 5: bringing in Rivers made some sense. But what was the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a question. I feel that a lot.

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Speaker 2: think that is more at play here. Yes, do I

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Speaker 2: But it is time to see Riley Leonard, particularly.

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Speaker 5: Now you mentioned Daniel Jones. What infrontation do you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again, assuming they bring everybody back, I

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Speaker 2: But I would assume Daniel Jones is your quarterback here

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Speaker 4: If you blow it up, I mean, who the hell knows.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at that point, you know, no one's safe, frankly,

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Speaker 3: And Kevin, I was listening to your program this morning.

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Speaker 3: You make a great point. There's really no reason to

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that would be the thought process in

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Speaker 2: some injuries. Well, I mean Daniel Jones going off the

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Speaker 4: That is just not a great combination.

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Speaker 5: Kevin.

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Speaker 3: We talk a lot about Chris Ballard and how, for

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, oftentimes you tie the GM and the

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe bring the new GM and you say, hey,

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Speaker 2: So that's where I do have some questions about exactly, again,

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Speaker 2: how willing are they to really really blow it up

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Speaker 2: and exactly what will a week from Monday look like.

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Speaker 2: Do they just use the same letter that they used

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Speaker 5: terms of personnel, you know, for whoever you would bring in,

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Speaker 5: both as coach and as general manager. I just think

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly a less than advantageous situation. But at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, there's thirty two of these, and yes,

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Speaker 2: it does it help to have the first round picks.

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Speaker 4: Certainly, I'm not going to deny that. But you know what,

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Speaker 4: if you wanted to, you could take some of the

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Speaker 2: Roster right now, with them beloved colts frankly that have

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Speaker 2: been here for a while, and you could trade them

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Speaker 2: and potentially add.

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Speaker 4: To a few more of those picks.

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Speaker 2: To me, like all of a sudden, sitting here and saying, well,

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Speaker 2: round picks, I'm kind of like, well, that's that's.

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Speaker 4: A little bit of an odd way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if Iral Chris Ballard and that trade was

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Speaker 2: doing this trade one hundred times out of one hundred.

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Speaker 2: If it's going to guarantee me jobs security because it

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Speaker 2: gonna do this trade because.

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Speaker 4: It's going to get me in two to three years.

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Speaker 4: Even if it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Out, and right now, you know, due to injury, the

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Speaker 2: trade hasn't worked out, So again, I understand it's maybe

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a disservice to the next person,

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I don't think that also

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Speaker 2: making the pros and the cont.

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Speaker 3: List and Riley Leonard hearing chatter he might get to

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Speaker 3: start Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Is that what we're looking at?

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Speaker 4: Boy? That is my assumption.

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Speaker 2: But hammer when I spoke about that on the morning

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Speaker 2: afternoon in his press conference, I don't know, it seemed

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Speaker 2: like the door is a little bit open to Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he was trying to do the

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Speaker 2: but it definitely sounded like Shane was a little bit

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Speaker 2: a conversation that maybe Rivers needed to have, which I

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Speaker 4: So I'm a little more torn. I assume it was

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Speaker 4: going to be Leonard, but little bit more torn after

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Speaker 4: listening to Shane.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like decision will come tomorrow and we'll see exactly

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Speaker 2: who it's going to be. Like I said earlier, I

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Speaker 2: don't think we need to see the Philip Rivers thing.

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Speaker 2: Hell of a movie, inspirational all of it. But there's

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Speaker 2: a reason why the Rocky movies got worse.

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Speaker 5: Man, If I'm about forty four year old quarterback, do

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Speaker 5: I want to see that pass rush from Houston? All right?

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Speaker 5: Those guys are on it, man, there. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: hate Houston with a passion, but those two defensive ends

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Speaker 5: are fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: No, that is I would say, you know what, being

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Speaker 2: a parents at ten kids sounds better than that.

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Speaker 1: Which what's coming up on the Big Show tomorrow?

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Speaker 5: KB?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll continue to recap a lot of this,

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Speaker 2: you know, certainly more in the big picture.

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Speaker 4: We'll actually get a.

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Speaker 2: Little boots on the ground on Pasadena with a Rose

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Speaker 2: Bull coming up on Thursday, So we'll do that at

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Speaker 2: eight thirty of Rick Carlisle should join us at some point.

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Speaker 4: The nine o'clock hour.

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Speaker 2: They've got a late one tonight in Houston, so we'll

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Speaker 2: chat with him coming up a little bit later in

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Speaker 2: the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Check out the Morning Show.

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Speaker 3: KB is a part of it at one O seven

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Speaker 3: five the fan, Kevin Bowen, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Happy to you boys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks same to you, you and Moonshine Monday next