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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison the other voice you hear on this program,

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Speaker 1: it's known as Quarry and Company. Here on ninety three

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Speaker 1: five and one oh seven five the fan. Now, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: you say one oh seven to five to the fan, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But yet you've been brainwashed by Mark Boyle that oh

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Speaker 2: If I'm met, that's the branding of the station.

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Speaker 3: I think it also ties into the positions we're talking

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I mean in most and I'm

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Speaker 3: No, that is a very fair assessment. And look, I

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Speaker 1: It's the toughness there's Riley, it's the progress they put

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Speaker 3: You know, we still believe in him. The very next day,

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Speaker 1: Shane Steiken was brought in initially because he was not

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Speaker 1: I'm not a quarterback whisper. I was screaming to this

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Speaker 3: No, it's over right again, I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, it's the symbolism of it.

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Speaker 1: what do I always say? Backup quarterbacks or a donut tire.

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Speaker 1: He could be a backup quarterback in Arizona, he could

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that will hang over you until that quarterback

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Speaker 3: I mean, eleven days from now they'll rejoin four team

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's it's gonna be like the

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Speaker 3: where things stand. Because one, he needs reps. We have

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Speaker 3: But again, what does that look like in practice? And

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Speaker 1: So we'll see the great quote from Edrin James, Edrin James,

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Speaker 1: And then they had their exhibition game in Benny and

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Speaker 1: much more pertinent, and Chris Ballard knows that he is

433
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Speaker 1: still attached to that somewhat, whereas Shane Stikeen to me

434
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Speaker 1: seems like a head coach that is totally past that

435
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: guy and it's like, you know what, no, like, it's

436
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: not what I need. That quarterback is not what I need.

437
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: And Shane Styken a me to me, appears to be

438
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Speaker 1: a guy that has no interest in that being an

439
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Speaker 1: option for him, and Ballard I don't think has totally

440
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Speaker 1: ruled it out because Ballard knows that if he totally

441
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Speaker 1: rules it out, it's an indictment on one person not

442
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Speaker 1: named Anthony Richardson, and that's Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a very fair assessment. I don't want

444
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Speaker 3: to let Shane off the hook because again, we were

445
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: talking to him when they drafted Anthony, and a lot

446
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: of the conversation was I can help get this guy

447
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Speaker 3: to where he needs to go. I can help develop him,

448
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: so he's not absolved. But yes, the biggest staying would

449
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Speaker 3: be on the GM. And again when it comes to

450
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Speaker 3: Anthony and the lack of development and the lack of production,

451
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Speaker 3: all of the above, my biggest quip or gripe rather

452
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Speaker 3: that's a better word for it, would be you all

453
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Speaker 3: told us that he was a hard worker. You all

454
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Speaker 3: told us they loves football. No matter what, you all

455
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: told us, he would do all little threats. You told

456
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Speaker 3: us you vetted this, I mean down to I don't

457
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Speaker 3: know his fourth grade.

458
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Speaker 1: You told us that if you had the number one pick,

459
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Speaker 1: that's who you took.

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Speaker 3: Right, and then we fast forward a couple of seasons

461
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Speaker 3: and it's wait a second, he's not exactly working as

462
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Speaker 3: hard as he should have been.

463
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Speaker 1: By the way, what do you mean, Eddie, do you

464
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Speaker 1: happen to have did you hear, Eddie, did you hear

465
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Speaker 1: or did you feel a slight breeze coming here.

466
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Speaker 2: I haven't felt the breeze in a while.

467
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Speaker 1: I haven't either, and there sometimes I don't know it's

468
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Speaker 1: the breeze. All of a sudden I felt it, and

469
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Speaker 1: I looked over and love Behold, it's true. Our friend,

470
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Speaker 1: Robin the Genie has appeared.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's good.

472
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Speaker 1: He is Robin. It's been a while. I talked to

473
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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder yesterday who said he didn't like I Dream

474
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Speaker 1: of Jeanie the TV show. He has said, know Steven

475
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Speaker 1: did to me. Oh okay, it seems to be a

476
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Speaker 1: bit of can attention now, Robin, did you have yes?

477
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: I had the question for James Boyd.

478
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Speaker 3: Okay, what's up Robin?

479
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Speaker 1: How any hell do you get up at five thirty

480
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Speaker 1: in the morning. Very good question for Robin. But my

481
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: real question for James Boyd is this. I'm going to

482
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: give you a question you will write. Daniel answered the envelope.

483
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: We will open it in five years. If you'll correct,

484
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: you win one million dollars. Okay, does Robin pay his debt?

485
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: Said he do?

486
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Speaker 4: We know.

487
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Speaker 1: I don't think he has yet? Right? He ows Joela

488
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Speaker 1: Erics in a million, doesn't he did? He is correct?

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Joel Heels older and that's why Holder's dead

490
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Speaker 2: to him.

491
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Speaker 1: My understanding is Robin the genie broke her to deal

492
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Speaker 1: with the beer Ferry to deliver to Joela Erics in

493
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Speaker 1: the payoff the debt. That he is correct. Yes, beer Ferry,

494
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: very good for it, loyal. Okay, Robin, you have a

495
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: question for James. Yes, it is correct, James Boyd. I

496
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Speaker 1: would like for you to tell me, in the year

497
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Speaker 1: two thousand and thirty, which of the quarterbacks that were

498
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: most in Congress when Anthony Richardson was drafted will actually

499
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: be the one having the best NFL career in the

500
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: year twenty thirty, Race Young c J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson

501
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: or the Mayonna's boy Will levis excellent question for Robin

502
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: because it seems to be one that fluctuates in potential answers.

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Speaker 3: Man Boy Boy Boy twenty thirty. So four years from now,

504
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to roll with oh Man two horse race

505
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Speaker 3: for me.

506
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Speaker 1: The show's over at three.

507
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Speaker 4: C J.

508
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: Stroud. I get that he had a down year and

509
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: he looked awful in the playoffs, but I also feel

510
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: like we're kind of overestimating how easy it would be

511
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: to find a guy who can get you to the

512
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: playoffs in the first place.

513
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Speaker 1: Right, Young was starting to play a little bit.

514
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Speaker 3: I know, like whenever he does that, he dips a

515
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: little too. He's also smaller, so I'm like, durability wise,

516
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Speaker 3: are you going to hold up for four more?

517
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Speaker 5: Ye?

518
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: All right, James Boyd. You'll hear them seven o'clock in

519
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: the morning coming up on Monday, along with Kevin Bow

520
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: and jeff Rickord talking about Kenny Moore and the weekend

521
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: of sports. James, the pleasure is always. I'll let you

522
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: get back to writing appreciation. Tom Noy is our friend

523
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: from the South Ben Tribune. Of course, Notre Dame is

524
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: in spring football, as about every program is, and thought

525
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: we would get kind of an update on where things

526
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: stand with the Irish, so we bring them out of

527
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: the program. Tom, how are you? Thanks for joining us?

528
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: Doing good one man? How you been you know what?

529
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: No complaints? And the one thing I will say is

530
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: it seemingly it feels like there kind of is no

531
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: off season though when it comes to football, because of

532
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: course it's unusual around here that you're coming three months

533
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: away from the Indiana football season ending, right, I mean,

534
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: that was obviously a unique situation. But here we are

535
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: in the spring and you begin to again look forward,

536
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: and with Notre Dame, we certainly know the storyline of

537
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: them from a year ago and not getting in and

538
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: et cetera. But this team, in terms of the things

539
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: that they may be trying to retool or tweak and

540
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: spring football looks in any way, shape or form different

541
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Speaker 1: how than when you last saw them.

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00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: I'll take four takeaways from what I've seen from spring

543
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Speaker 5: football from the University of Notreame football program.

544
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: CJ.

545
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: Carr is an elite quarterback. The offensive line is really good.

546
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 5: The defense may be the top defensive unit in the

547
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 5: country from top to bottom d line, linebacker, secondary, And

548
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 5: it would be an absolute shock, even more so than

549
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: what happened at the end of last season, if come

550
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 5: the third week of January, we are not in Allegiant

551
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: Stadium in Las Vegas and this team is playing for

552
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: a national championship.

553
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're decent. Is that what we're getting at?

554
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 5: Yes, they're really good, and they're really motivated. Given how

555
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five ended it, you say there's no off season,

556
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: but here it really feels like it was a lifetime

557
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 5: ago compared to what it was when they played for

558
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 5: the national championship, and it almost like they almost springboarded

559
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 5: right into spring football. It felt like the first couple

560
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: of days of spring that it had been forever since

561
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: we were able to watch a Notre Dame football team

562
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Speaker 5: do football stuff.

563
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so a couple of things with that, and I

564
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: want to begin with the offensive line. That's an area

565
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: am I correct in saying? And maybe I'm totally wrong here,

566
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But

567
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: a solid unit, but one that might have some what

568
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: re entry or reshuffling in terms of its personnel. Am

569
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I wrong in that? No, in regard to reshuffling.

570
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: Anthony Knapp, who stunned everybody by starting as a true

571
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: freshman his first game, oh by the way, in College

572
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 5: Station on that Saturday night two years ago, has been

573
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: the starting left tackle since first day of spring practice.

574
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: We look up and Anthony Napp is now the starting

575
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: left guard because they have a we'll have a red

576
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 5: shirt freshman by the name of Will Black who looks

577
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 5: like he's cut in the same mold of a Mike

578
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 5: McGlinchey and a Joe Aalt at left tackle. You put

579
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 5: him there, and you leave him there for however long

580
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 5: he decides he's going to play college football. So there's

581
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Speaker 5: the reshuffling right there. The starting center, Indiana native Ashton Craig,

582
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: stresses that he will be back for fall camp. He's

583
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 5: been down with an acl since the middle of last year,

584
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: so Joe Odding has stepped in and done a real

585
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 5: solid job there. So there's always reshuffling on the offensive line.

586
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 5: But one thing that you know about Joe Rudolph is

587
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: he's going to shuffle the pieces around the board and

588
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 5: whatever he comes up with when it comes to the

589
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 5: offensive line, not here name, it's going to work, and

590
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 5: it's going to work really well.

591
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: And obviously the line one of the key responsibilities there

592
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: is to facilitate and go with a ground game, which

593
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has you know, clearly had been stout in

594
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that in the past running the football Notre Dame for

595
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: this year, the perspective looks.

596
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: What still to be determined because there is no It

597
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 5: was weird when we walked into spring practice that first

598
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 5: day last month and you look at the running back

599
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 5: spot and there is no Jeremiah Love and there is

600
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 5: no Jadarian Price. So Nias Williams. He wants to be

601
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 5: running back one. I don't know if we're going to

602
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 5: get that type of production as they did last year

603
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 5: from him, But you know what, that's okay because what

604
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 5: they're going to lack in the run game, they'll more

605
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: than make up for with a guy named CJ.

606
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Speaker 1: Carr at quarterback. Yeah, so you're obviously in CJ. Carr,

607
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I thought, and I think Tom tom Noy is my

608
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: guest from the South Bend tribute. You you'd correct me

609
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: if you disagree with this, But being a freshman quarterback

610
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: or the starting quarterback right out of the boxes, sent

611
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: for a Notre Dame, it is in fact different than

612
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: doing it at most schools. I mean, you know, even

613
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: in Alabama, sometimes they have so many weapons you can

614
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of mask if the guy's got to kind of

615
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: grow on the job. There's just such an expectation and

616
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: a spotlighted Notre Dame that I think anything shy of

617
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: a completely abysmal and disastrous start. You've got to give

618
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: a guy some benefit of the doubt just because of

619
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: everything that goes into that job versus other places. And

620
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Speaker 1: I thought he handled all of that at least seemingly

621
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Speaker 1: from the outside really really well.

622
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 5: He did, but he did lose his first two starts,

623
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: and there were people wondering because that quarterback competition went

624
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 5: so deep into fall camp, really up until the last

625
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 5: possible day before this program started its prep from Miami

626
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: before they named the starting quarterback. But Steve Angeli transfers

627
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 5: to Syracuse. Kenny Minshi has landed at Kentucky. There's no

628
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 5: doubt that it's CJ. Carr's job, and he just looks

629
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 5: different and looks and carries himself as the number one

630
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: quarterback at Notre Dame, knowing that this is his job,

631
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: this is his team, and for all intents and purposes,

632
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 5: this is his season.

633
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman is another one, you know, being getting opportunity

634
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame is different than other places, and no

635
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: position of that tom would be any obviously bigger than

636
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: at head coach. And I have said on this show

637
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: billion times, I grew up and didn't like Notre Dame.

638
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Either love or you hate Notre Dame. Right, it's there's

639
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: nobody's over there, like yeah, they're okay, you know, and

640
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Dave Matthews band, Do you like

641
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: the Dave Matthews Band.

642
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 5: Tom They're okay.

643
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Like people are all in on them or they're just

644
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: like yeah, but I guess nobody hates the Dave Matthews Band.

645
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: But either way, what I'm getting at I really like

646
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman, and I think I've told you that before

647
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: in the conversations we've had. I really like him, But

648
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, he was, you know, thrown into

649
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: that situation and at times had to had to learn

650
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: on the job, but it seemed like the learning curve

651
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: was not steep for him. Has he, in fact, though,

652
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: made some tweaks in terms of his coaching versus when

653
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: he first was ascended to that position.

654
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 5: We will find that out the first month of the

655
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 5: season because he has been so good in having to

656
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 5: play as the underdog the last two years. When they

657
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 5: lose to Northern Illinois, they have no choice but to

658
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 5: win out to get to the playoffs. Last year, when

659
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 5: you start zero to two, they have no choice but

660
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 5: to win out to get to possibly play for the playoffs.

661
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: What can this team do as a front runner? We

662
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 5: don't know, Like, can can they run the table early?

663
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: With Wisconsin and Rice in Michigan State and Purdue and

664
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Speaker 5: be four and oh after September or b five and

665
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 5: oh as October years to and then what kind of

666
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: coach is Marcus Freeman then, because he's always played the

667
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: underdog role.

668
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: So well, where is to there's no choice. We have

669
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: to win this game, you know, we have to.

670
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 5: We have to have this sense of urgency and all

671
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 5: this stuff that he likes to talk about. Can they

672
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: have that from the jump and not have to be like,

673
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 5: oh my god, we've got no choice but to win

674
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 5: or we're not going to the playoffs.

675
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: That will be.

676
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 5: The mark of who Marcus Freeman is as a head coach.

677
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 5: And I think that's what we'll see this year because

678
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 5: they really should run the table from start to finish.

679
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: Tom, I want to mix in one and by the way,

680
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: let me I want to make sure that people understand

681
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: this because I think most you know have heard you

682
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: on with me, hopefully over the course of the last

683
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: couple of years. But for you to say that this

684
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: is not folks somebody that just because they are covering

685
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: the team locally that they're bullish on them, because you're

686
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: pretty candidate now in the middle when it comes to

687
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: Irish football and you're not afraid to call it out

688
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: if you don't believe you know what I mean. So

689
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: that says something that carries some merit in terms of

690
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: your assessment of where they could be. I wanted to

691
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: ask one basket get to basketball real quick. We had

692
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Michael Shrewsbury on during the Final Four, Like, Michael Shrewsbury

693
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: a great deal and yet obviously it has been a

694
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: challenge for their basketball program. And I asked him flat

695
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: out when we were talking about nil. He said, you

696
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: know there's two programs haves and have nots. And I said, well,

697
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: which is Notre Dame And he said, we are a

698
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: have not and we've got to turn that around. The

699
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: transfer portal, at least as of right now, has not

700
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: been kind to the Irish. Where do things stand with

701
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: Michael Shrewsbury in his footing in South Bend?

702
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 5: Very shaky and I don't know if it's ever going

703
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 5: to be on firm footing. And I do I qualify

704
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 5: every comment I make about Notre Day men's basketball since

705
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: I've been the beat writer here for twenty eight years.

706
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: With Michael Shrewsbury needs to be a better coach from

707
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: top to bottom. He needs to coach better. He needs

708
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: to recruit better, he needs to develop talent better. He

709
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 5: just needs to win more. But that said, if there's

710
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: anybody in a Power for conference job that was set

711
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 5: up to basically fail from the minute he walked in

712
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: the door. Given academics, given transfer portal, given nil, given

713
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 5: all that stuff on the periphery of just wins and

714
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 5: losses and scoring more points than the other team, it

715
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: was Michaeh Shrewsbury. Because whereas Pete Pavaqua can sit down

716
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 5: with Marcus Freeman and confidently say, Marcus, we have in

717
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: you every chance and every opportunity to go and win

718
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 5: a national championship and to be successful, he cannot say

719
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: anything close to that when it comes to notre Na

720
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 5: men's basketball and Micaeus Shrewsbury.

721
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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, there was a game this year.

722
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: I think it was it cal if I'm not mistaken, Tom,

723
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: where there was a call or a miscall late in

724
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: the game and Michael Shrewsbury absolutely lost control. I mean

725
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: he basically had to be restrained from the officials. And

726
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: sometimes those things the lens by which we critique them

727
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: is determined and based upon hou sucessful the program has

728
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: been to that point. You know, Bob Knight does that,

729
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: and he's a fiery competitor. Michael Shrewsbury does that, and boy,

730
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, why did he lose his mind? But I

731
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: wondered in that moment, and again prepace with I really

732
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: like him, But I wondered at that moment, if the

733
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: pressures and the challenges of the job, if we didn't

734
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: see it all boiling over right there? Am I overthinking

735
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: that a little bit?

736
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Speaker 5: What you saw was a guy who was four seconds

737
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 5: away from having his program start too and oh in

738
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 5: the ACC for the first time since twenty seventeen, and

739
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 5: to start to and O that kind of changes the

740
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 5: entire tenor around the program. Now the fans are interested. Now,

741
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 5: maybe they're going to cut them some slack.

742
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: Now.

743
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: Maybe the game the following.

744
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 5: Week against Clemson at home takes on a little different

745
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 5: meeting and looks a little different. Instead of two and oh,

746
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 5: you're one in one, you lose the way they lost,

747
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 5: Like they gave up a four point play when they

748
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 5: were up three with two point two seconds to play.

749
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 5: So it was that frustration, and I think it's just

750
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 5: the frustration of what these last three years have been

751
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 5: like for Michauh Shrewsbury because yes, again he needs to

752
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 5: be a better coach, but I feel I think he

753
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 5: feels he's never really been able to show what he

754
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: can do. And guess what, now you've got to go

755
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: do it in twenty six, twenty seven, after losing six

756
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: players to the transfer portal and really your top three

757
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 5: in Cole Surah, Marcus Burton and Jalen Harrelson. We have

758
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: no idea what this program is going to look like,

759
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: but it's not going to look anything like it should

760
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 5: in year four for Mikeaeh Shrewsbury, and I just don't

761
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: know if there's a path for him and a path

762
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 5: for a Notre Dame out of this mediocrity that they

763
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 5: find themselves in.

764
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Now, Tom, lastly, I'm going to reveal this and give

765
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: the peak behind the curtain for all the listeners here

766
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: for both of them. The I don't know. A couple

767
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I called you. You and I have

768
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: never really talked outside of just on the radio show,

769
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: but I called you with a question for you, and

770
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: then you and I ended up talking, if I'm not mistaken,

771
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: for two and a half hours on the telephone. Didn't

772
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: we isn't that right? Yes?

773
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 5: And my wife when I said, Jase called me and

774
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 5: she's like, you mean that guy that you're talking for

775
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: two and a half hours that night.

776
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly. At least you didn't say the

777
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: state farm gag. I've only heard that ten thousand times

778
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: in my life. So you thank her for me. I

779
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: appreciate it, right, Yes, I will. Tom appreciate the time

780
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: as always. Tom Noy's been with the South Been Tribune

781
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety two, which is almost as long as

782
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: he and I chatted on the phone, and we got

783
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: to everything, including the Dave Matthews been in our conversation.

784
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Tom appreciate the time as always. Man, we'll talk to

785
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: you soon. Wow. Did you It wasn't even a thank

786
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: you there? How about that? All that? And he just

787
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: hangs up? Did you now? Was that you? Eddie? Did

788
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: you do that? Or did he do that?

789
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: That was him?

790
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: I think Tom just said, okay, fine, that was it? Right?

791
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: I Does he like Dave Matthews that much? Did I

792
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: seem to rub him the wrong way with that?

793
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: Maybe the wife was like.

794
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: He was it? The what are we blaming the wife?

795
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Or the why we get out there and moved the crass.

796
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Which is it right? Luke urdle is the Indiana Mister Basketball.

797
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: He will join Joe Sex and Willie Dennis Brady, Billy Keller,

798
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Rick mount Dan Pallambizio, Troy Lewis, Glenn Robinson, Caleb Swanigan, Woody,

799
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Austin Braden Smith as players to where the Indiana number

800
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: one jersey as Purdue commits and recruits to Purdue University.

801
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: And when we talk about Franciscan health and I'll give

802
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: you more information on the heart health risk assessment about it.

803
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: The whole idea is stories that make you feel good,

804
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: and this did for me because we had Luke eerdle

805
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: On just before Mount Vernon was going to Gambridge Fieldhouse

806
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: to try to win a state championship. And at that time,

807
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: I think we had a pretty good idea that he

808
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: was going to be and he certainly was a front

809
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: runner for the Indiana Mister Basketball Award. And I mentioned

810
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: the other day on the radio just how overall impressed

811
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I was with his maturity and everything in terms of

812
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: the way that he really carried himself, not just through

813
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: that conversation but in general. And yesterday the Ultimate Award

814
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: he joins us now on the program. Luke Rnle. First off,

815
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: congratulations on the award that every I think young man

816
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: in Indiana thinks about for themselves, and that is being

817
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: named the number one jersey wear for the most beloved

818
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: sport in this state. You are Indiana's mister Basketball.

819
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: Congratulations, Thank you so much, and thank you for having

820
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: me on. I really appreciate it.

821
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: Let's go first off to the award itself, and I

822
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: know and looks you guys I want to get into

823
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: and congratulations on winning the state championship and that's I

824
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: know you're a team guy and that's a team award.

825
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: But for this individual award, when did it kind of

826
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: enter into your thought process that this was a possibility

827
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: or what it would mean.

828
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, you know, you said it best.

829
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: I think every high every high schooler but not high school,

830
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 4: every just kid growing up wants to be mister Basketball.

831
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: So I think that's one of the reasons, and just

832
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: how legendary kind of the award is in Indiana and

833
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: wearing it in the All Star Game, I'd say, when

834
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: I first kind of thought about mister Basketball is when

835
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: my brother is an Indiana All Star, When I was

836
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: real young, and just seeing that one jersey, it just

837
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: is a little more special and it's a super huge

838
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: honor to wear it and be recognized as, you know,

839
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 4: the best player in Indiana. So yeah, man, it's it's amazing.

840
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 4: And the people before me who have one I never

841
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: won is you know, NBA greats and a lot of

842
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 4: great college players. So glad to be in that company.

843
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Which to you, I was gonna say, which was the

844
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: bigger relief That's the wrong way of saying it, but

845
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's been a whirlwind when you look

846
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: at the emotion of all of it. Being mister Basketball

847
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: is pretty darn cool. But did anything really top being

848
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: able to claim a championship with your brothers and teammates

849
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: at Gambridge field House.

850
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. No, there's nothing that I think.

851
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 4: Just the thing about mister Basketball. It's an individual award,

852
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 4: but like the state championship, it it just resembles that

853
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 4: team aspect of basketball. Like the days you're spending with

854
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 4: your guys, you know where it's it's hard, the days

855
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: in January where like practice sucks and coaches on you,

856
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: and like having that joy with your teammates there's nothing

857
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: like it and reaching the out to ultimate goal and

858
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: then mister Basketball is kind of just like a cherry

859
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: on top of not many people who have been able

860
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: to win a state championship and mister basketball. So it's

861
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: kind of an individual award, But it goes back to like,

862
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: there's nothing like that team aspect to win a state championship.

863
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: How many jerseys did they give you? The school gets one,

864
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: you gotta wear one in the Indiana Kentucky All Star Game?

865
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Do you get like four others just to basically lounge

866
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: around in? How many do they give you? Yeah?

867
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: I think it might just be as many as we

868
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: pay for. I don't know what. No, no, no, I'm

869
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 4: not sure. I'm not sure. I know I'm gonna wear

870
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: one like my mom is definitely gonna want one to

871
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: put in our basement, and you know, uh, mister Ecker

872
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: is gonna want one as well at AD So I'm

873
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 4: not sure how many regularly.

874
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, if I listen, if I

875
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: was getting ready to go play college basketball in the

876
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Big Ten and I was mister Basketball heading into it,

877
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: I would spend all of my perspective nil money on

878
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: buying as many jerseys as I had to, I'd hand

879
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: them out to everybody, right, everybody getting I wouldn't be

880
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: able to get enough of them. But but Luke, for

881
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: you in general, you know the Indiana Kentucky All Star Game,

882
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned your brother playing in that. The to me,

883
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious from your standpoint, playing in AAU circuits, playing

884
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: in summer basketball, and the amount of games that guys

885
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: now play all around the country, and then obviously high

886
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: school basketball as well. And I think I talked to

887
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: you about like the difference between representing your AAU team

888
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: and representing your high school. And I loved how your

889
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: community came together for Mount Vernon, But for the Indiana

890
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Kentucky All Star series, does it still carry to young

891
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: people the amount of oomph that we would assume considering

892
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: that you play so many of these games now outside

893
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: of just that one structured event.

894
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't speak on you know what it was

895
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 4: in the past. I know it was awesome. I know

896
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 4: that there was like a hinkle Fieldhouse if I'm not mistaken,

897
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: and maybe like sold out crowds.

898
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: Or market Square all of that.

899
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's that's amazing. And you know,

900
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 4: hearing just my my dad talked about it is is

901
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: pretty cool. But I think today, you know, it's still

902
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: there's so much talent in Indiana. There's so much. So

903
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 4: basketball is the most competitive sport to be good, and

904
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 4: everybody's playing it in Indiana. With football and all the

905
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: CTE stuff or whatever, basketball is kind the sport that

906
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 4: everyone plays. So to be named in any and All

907
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 4: Star in the state holds definitely holds weight. And you know,

908
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: it might not be sold out with crowds anymore, but

909
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: I think I can say that the players playing and

910
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: didn't really take pride in it, and only Neana side.

911
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think everyone will be super excited to

912
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 4: have that opportunity.

913
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: I know you've referenced your brothers in playing basketball. You

914
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: have how many siblings?

915
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: I have four siblings, okay.

916
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: And you are where do you fall in terms of

917
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: those four? Are you the youngest?

918
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: I'm the youngest youngest.

919
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: So when you have older brothers and siblings that you

920
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: look up to and you're the youngest, right, did that

921
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: more teach you growing up and being able to see

922
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: and the pattern of of you know, just athletics in

923
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: your family, Did it more teach you the importance of

924
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: family and that unit, or did it more teach you

925
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: the importance of kind of the individuality of it, of

926
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: presenting your own identity and blazing your own.

927
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 4: Pass I would say definitely more of the family aspect.

928
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: For me. I think just because my brother played, I

929
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: just kind of naturally wanted to play basketball too, just

930
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: to be copy him, you know, and then seeing him.

931
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 4: You know, my siblings played other sports like volleyball, and

932
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: but I think the one thing that helps SuperM be

933
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: in a big families. We're just a super competitive So

934
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: whether it comes to cards or you know, we're playing

935
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: pig outside, I think that aspect and just being around,

936
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 4: always competing at something, you kind of get that edge

937
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: that maybe the only child or you know, maybe from

938
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: a smaller family you don't get. So that was just

939
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 4: the biggest thing for me. And then you know, my

940
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 4: older brother kind of blazed away from me from a

941
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: basketball perspective, but it's it's definitely awesome being from a

942
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 4: big family.

943
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to play. Luke Girdle is my guest

944
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: to pue recruit the state champion from Mountain Vernon the

945
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: Indiana mister Basketball. I'm gonna play a little game here

946
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: of how well do you know your own recruiting profile? Okay,

947
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: we're going to test not just your knowledge of it,

948
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: but we're going to test how accurate these are. Okay,

949
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not going to say which side it is,

950
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: but I'm looking right now and it has you listed

951
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: in terms of a one to one hundred rating. Your

952
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: rating is what number on a one to one hundred?

953
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: What rating do you think they gave you?

954
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: Well? Am I going to be judged on whether I'm

955
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 4: checking it too much or no?

956
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: No, listen, I'm here to tell you my mine would

957
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: be framed next to my Indiana number one Jersey, So

958
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: no judgment there at all.

959
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean we can't give these dude too much. Now, anyways,

960
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 4: i'd say eighty eight.

961
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: Baybe ninety five point zero eight, ninety five point zero eight,

962
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: So give yourself a little credit. Okay, you are nationally

963
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: ranked at least as of when this at least was

964
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: updated one through one hundred. Your national ranking is what

965
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: forty two forty seven? Now, how's that possible? You got

966
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: a ninety five and but he said that seems askew. Okay,

967
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: here's the big one. Now, I know that you're going

968
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: to Purdue, and I know Purdue fans are thrilled to

969
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: have you, and I want to talk about that in

970
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: just a second. So I mean this, of course, at no,

971
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to take this the wrong way.

972
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: There's no disrespect to Purdue because you've been committed to

973
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: the Boilers since August of twenty four. But it lists

974
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: two other schools that at least at one time you

975
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: were Crystal Bald, if you will as being possibilities that

976
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: you would have interest. Can you tell me either of

977
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: those two schools Butler and maybe a Wake Forest, Yes,

978
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: Wake Forest, Yes? Nice. I guess that black and gold

979
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: is fitting to your eye, right maybe maybe?

980
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 4: I don't know how.

981
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Much do you. And we talked about this with you

982
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. We had Elliott bloom On, who of

983
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: course is the director of operations for Purdue and as

984
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: a mount verning guy like yourself, and I love you.

985
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: Know.

986
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Elliott's a great guy. I've known him for a very

987
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: long time, and he spoke very favorably. I know they're

988
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: very excited to get you there, and I don't even

989
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: know how it works, Luke, in terms of when you

990
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: are playing in high school once you're committed, you know

991
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: how much the communication can be there. And Purdue had

992
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: their own obviously huge year this year. How much do

993
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: you talk to those guys about what it is that

994
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: they're hoping you can do or work on before you

995
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: get there?

996
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so once your sign, you know, they can pretty

997
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: much talk to me whenever whenever they want. But to

998
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: be honest with you, they hadn't really said too much about,

999
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 4: you know, what they want me to work on, what

1000
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: they you know, want me to be once I get

1001
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: to Purdue. But you know, I know the things that

1002
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: I gotta work on. I mean most definitely got to

1003
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 4: get It's just a different type of athleticism in college.

1004
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: So definitely got to you know, just continue to get stronger,

1005
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 4: and I gotta you know, get used to that college

1006
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 4: line because people don't understand, you know, there's a big

1007
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: difference between the high school and college line. And I

1008
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 4: take pride and being like a really good shooter, and

1009
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: that's what they want to always be no matter what's

1010
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 4: going on. So definitely go, I just work on those

1011
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: two things and then they'll obviously tell me if I

1012
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 4: get there what I need to actually do.

1013
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you consider yourself and was this by design?

1014
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself ambidexterrous because you shoot if I'm

1015
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: not mistaken, if it's you know, if it's an open three,

1016
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: you're shooting left hand, but you can finish with your right,

1017
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: you can drive with your right, you can do a little.

1018
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: It seems to me like you're comfortable using either hand.

1019
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: Is that natural to you or has that just come

1020
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: through the course of work.

1021
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: Well, you know, my boss would would tell you that

1022
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: I don't use my left hand. He doesn't give much credit.

1023
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: So I'm actually glad that you're saying that that's a

1024
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: big time But uh yeah, I work a lot on

1025
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: both my right hand, left hand, and you know, if

1026
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: I just think it's growing up, you only want to

1027
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 4: use your dominant hand. So just from a youth perspective,

1028
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 4: when I was little, every was like he's gonna left,

1029
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna left, and it'd be like first gear ade basketball,

1030
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, so I'm I've been working on

1031
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 4: it and you know, I'll just try to continue to

1032
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: help me finish and finish around the trees.

1033
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: In college, so that was the Saint Simon days. When

1034
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: did you go to Saint Simon or did you play

1035
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: at Saint Simon?

1036
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: Yes, there, Yeah, to say Simon.

1037
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: The right handed whiz, I guess back then it was

1038
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: left handed, Luke Irdle from Saint Simon. All right, Luke,

1039
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people look at you, and

1040
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: you know there is obviously we know Purdue in the

1041
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: backcourt situation, you know, with with Mayor coming back, and

1042
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: you know Braiden Smith on his way out. I'm curious

1043
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: of this. What has been, if at all, your relationship

1044
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: to Braiden Smith And how often do you talk to

1045
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Braiden Smith or how how much can you lean on

1046
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: anything that even though he's on his way out now

1047
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: that he can teach you or tell you about the

1048
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: Purdue program.

1049
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I it's funny to say that. I'm you know,

1050
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 4: definitely want to talk to him here soon and just

1051
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 4: kind of he has a blueprint. He knows he's been

1052
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: there for four years. He knows just everything about the program.

1053
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: He knows what I should and shouldn't do, and it'd

1054
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 4: be great to hear so give have him give me

1055
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: some advice, you know, But we haven't really talked too much, honestly,

1056
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 4: you know, he's hard man to get ahold of he's

1057
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 4: pretty busy nowadays with everything he's got going on, But

1058
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 4: hopefully I can get in touch with him and you know,

1059
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 4: I can just pick his brain a little bit about things,

1060
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: because you know, he's kind of the best example.

1061
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: So if I'm not mistaken, when we had you on

1062
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: the other time we had you on, Luke Girdle is

1063
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: my guest, the Indiana mister basketball out of Mount Vernon

1064
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: that tended to Purdue. When we had you on, it

1065
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: was the opening weekend of the NCAA tournament, and you

1066
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: talked about, you know the fact that you knew Braylen Mullins.

1067
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: You guys have played together, and you were you know,

1068
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: obviously you've known him for a long time. Uh, did

1069
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: you have any dream whatsoever that that guy was going

1070
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: to hit that shot to put his team in that situation?

1071
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 4: Well, he actually kind of missed a very similar shot

1072
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 4: last year to to to in a game where we

1073
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: ended up, you know, fortunate enough to win, but kind

1074
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: of that exact, same exact shot he shot, you know,

1075
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: versus and it just barely rimmed out and we were

1076
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: able to tend it to overtime and ended up winning.

1077
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 4: But that same shot he shot, he ended up switching

1078
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 4: it and that was just amazing and super happy for him.

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Speaker 4: It's just kind of funny because it was dang near man,

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Speaker 4: the same shot that he ended up missing and then making.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago. So so you're glad he

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Speaker 1: waited until then to hit it as opposed to last year.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I would have been pretty upset if you

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Speaker 4: would have last for him, now.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, when do you head up? You know,

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Speaker 1: when do you head up to Lafayette and really start

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Speaker 1: getting going with the boilers?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just beginning all head up there right after any

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Speaker 4: of All Stars and get to work. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: what I'll had up.

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Speaker 1: Well, Luke, we appreciate the time. We would love to

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Speaker 1: have you back on the program sometime. But again, a

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Speaker 1: huge congratulations to you. It's a huge honor. You represent

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Speaker 1: the state very well. I know the state will be

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Speaker 1: happy to have you wearing that number one jersey and

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Speaker 1: people will be happy to see you and Purdue as well.

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Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate the time and wish you the best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks Luke Urdle joining me on the program.