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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: You look into that and obviously we got to win

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Speaker 2: one on one matchups as we get going every game.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's it, this game is about one on

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Speaker 2: ones and winning the game within the game and keep

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Speaker 2: working those you know, pass rush stuff and practice. So

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Speaker 2: then come to life, you know on Sundays and Monday nights.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's been a more damning.

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Speaker 4: Element in the Chris Ballad era James than the lack

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Speaker 4: of a pass rush. The investments are rich, they are

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Speaker 4: draft picks, they are money both and yet Rock Party

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Speaker 4: has hit oon time last night. To me, that's probably

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Speaker 4: the big Like, you know, if you're weighing the roster,

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Speaker 4: you're evaluating position groups all of that. You know, you

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Speaker 4: obviously got big sample size that tell you the story

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Speaker 4: of no division titles and one playoff win and two

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Speaker 4: playoff appearances and all of that. But if you want

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Speaker 4: to kind of get into position groups itself. To me,

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Speaker 4: and last night the whole nation saw it just a

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Speaker 4: library quiet pass rush.

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Speaker 5: Not enough in that department at all. I get that

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Speaker 5: the Forest Buckner was coming back from the neck injury.

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Speaker 5: He didn't look like he was himself. But the rest

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Speaker 5: of that group, what.

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Speaker 6: Is your excuse?

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Speaker 5: You haven't even earned the grace that perhaps Buckner has

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Speaker 5: given his resume the last few years and what he's

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Speaker 5: played through the last few years. But Quitty pay can't

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Speaker 5: find you to lat too. Did have the stripsack. Other

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Speaker 5: than that, where are you? And it felt like again

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Speaker 5: brock Purdy was pretty much going through like a seven

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Speaker 5: on seven drill at times.

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Speaker 3: I think he went through his progressions twice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a ton of te back through let

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Speaker 4: me scan back one, two, three, four.

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Speaker 5: And again when it came down to the other side

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Speaker 5: of that lack of pressure, the let's get the ball

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Speaker 5: out there in the air and see what happens. You

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Speaker 5: have nobody who can make a play on the ball

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Speaker 5: outside of cam Binham who caught an interception that was

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Speaker 5: on an overthrown pass lightly. They wasn't even like, you're

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Speaker 5: not to take anything away from cam bind him, not

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Speaker 5: to say it was his fault. He caught an interception,

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Speaker 5: which you're supposed to do. But my point is you

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Speaker 5: all didn't make any plays in the air either, So

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Speaker 5: I mean outside of a cosmetic interception at the end

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Speaker 6: You got be handedly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah on defense off the dude's fingertips that contributed to that.

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Speaker 4: We don't have a show tomorrow or Thursday, James. So

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Speaker 4: I know this question would inevitably pop up, and just

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get full into the playoff scenarios

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Speaker 4: just yet, but the Colts could be eliminated before they

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Speaker 4: kick off on Sunday. Yes, the Texans play the Chargers

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Speaker 4: Saturday afternoon. If the Chargers lose to the Texans, if

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Speaker 4: the Texans win, then that would officially eliminate the Colts

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Speaker 4: from the playoffs. Now, obviously, by that point, whatever that

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Speaker 4: is Saturday at seven pm, you will have done all

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Speaker 4: your prep for Jacksonville this week. You play at one

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Speaker 4: o'clock on Sunday. I think it would be hard to

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Speaker 4: all of a sud sudden, you know, yank the wheel

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Speaker 4: per se, and you know, have a massive one pint

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Speaker 4: I still remain under the impression that it will be

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Speaker 4: Philip Rivers as a starter and Riley Leonard as the

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Speaker 4: backup on Sunday, and part of me thinks that'll be

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Speaker 4: the case again in week eighteen. Maybe if you were eliminated,

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Speaker 4: you'd flip flop that. But anything I guess changed for

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Speaker 4: you at all, whether you want to go Rivers, Leonard

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Speaker 4: or the inevitable Anthony Richardson, questions that will come.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's start with the end there.

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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson, I would highly doubt plays again this year,

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Speaker 5: just given the severity of the eye injury and the

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Speaker 5: limitations that he has visually. Again, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: those limitations exactly are because I'm not in his body

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Speaker 5: and seeing through his eyes, but from what I understand

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Speaker 5: what I've gathered, it is perhaps more significant than I

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Speaker 5: out for that reason. And then looking at the decision

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Speaker 5: between Riley Leonard or Philip Rivers, I just think that

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Speaker 5: until they're mathematically eliminated, you're not gonna get a real

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Speaker 5: pushback from Shane on the idea of starting Philip. And

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Speaker 5: quite honestly, after Philip played, I thought as well as

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Speaker 5: I think there was an argument you could make like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Riley might be a better option. But I thought Philip

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Speaker 5: played his butt off yesterday and gave this team a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was dead wrong.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my hand is raised again with Philip Rivers

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Speaker 4: and the ability to push it a little bit more

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Speaker 5: Well, we both got a middle finger along with the

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Speaker 5: game was a first player with the st on the field.

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Speaker 6: I laughed at that, honestly.

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Speaker 4: And again there were a couple of deep balls that

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Speaker 4: you know, looked like the old wounded duck falling out

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Speaker 4: pray for the defensive pass interference underthrow. Is that is

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Speaker 4: that kind of way you're hoping for? There on a

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Speaker 4: couple of those deep shots. But like you go back

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Speaker 4: to that opening drive and one thing that Rivers does

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Speaker 4: just unbelievably well is he gives guys chances after the catch,

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Speaker 4: like they got into the third and I forget what

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Speaker 4: just throws it to the right shoulder every time, and

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Speaker 4: He does that, and again it wobbles, It looks a

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Speaker 4: goal touchdown to Pierce. I mean, James, that was a

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Speaker 4: what third and goal from the sixteen?

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Speaker 3: That is a give up play.

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Speaker 4: You rarely see teams take end zone shots on third

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Speaker 4: And yet the anticipation to throw that ball well before

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Speaker 4: if you go back, there's some unbelievable still shots of

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Speaker 4: as if I feel like I've been a broken record

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Speaker 4: all year, long he continues to add to his payday

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Speaker 4: that's coming this offseason.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were talking about it after the game, Kevin,

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Speaker 5: who are the winners of last night? And I think

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Speaker 5: me and Stephen Holder were joking about how the winners

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Speaker 5: were the forty nine ers and Alec Pierce and his agent,

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Speaker 5: Oh easily easily Yeah, like after that slim Pickens, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 5: well said I'll give them to Blake groupie.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's probably where I will stop.

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Speaker 4: But like those throws from Rivers early in the game,

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Speaker 4: and you know, again, it's just kind of some second

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Speaker 4: level stuff, and they brought tempo.

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Speaker 3: I thought he ESPN did a wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Job of Buck and Aikman silencing themselves when Rivers was

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Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage and he he sounded like

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Speaker 4: homeboy here at the ISO. Jack is it everly? Is

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Speaker 4: this our dude here at Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he was a maestro at the line. Just it was

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Speaker 4: That's what it was. It wasn't tempo to like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Cults were bullish.

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Speaker 4: They were adamant, we're gonna we feel like we can

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Speaker 4: when you get into the other Shane psych in evaluation marks,

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Speaker 4: it's not as glowing. But James I did not think

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Speaker 4: have told me before the night Jonathan Taylor's gonna have

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Speaker 4: of the game. I mean you were down your left tackle,

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Speaker 4: night of the year, and you score twenty seven.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I had to go back and look, Kevin. Twenty seven

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Speaker 5: points were their most in a game since their last

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Speaker 5: win back in Berlin.

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Speaker 3: So well, hell, it's probably the most in regulation?

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Speaker 7: Was it?

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Speaker 6: And even regulation it's a good point I didn't go

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Speaker 5: I was trying to, you know, keep it short and

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Speaker 5: that's enough to win that game.

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Speaker 6: And defensively, you just failed to show up.

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Speaker 5: And I talking assire Franklin talking to Forest Buckner, actually

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Speaker 5: thought to Forest Buckner summed everything up in about seven

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Speaker 6: I used it in my story. I'm gonna pull it

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Speaker 5: And he was asked how frustrating is this loss? And

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Speaker 5: his response in full was it's the worst because it's

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Speaker 6: And you never hear.

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Speaker 5: but you could tell he was seething at the idea

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Speaker 4: Yeah, again, a horrific defensive effort. I think I want

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Speaker 4: to play this Philip Rivers audio here because and this

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Speaker 4: has largely been the conversation James, at least for myself

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Speaker 4: and I think for the show in general over the

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Speaker 4: last ten days of like, you have two different movies

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Speaker 4: we're watching here. The Rivers movie is incredible, and again

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Speaker 4: it added scenes last night that I didn't think were possible.

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Speaker 4: You know, It's funny Troy Aikman gave him the Himmy

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Speaker 4: award before the game he started last night on Monday

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Speaker 4: Night Countdown, and Rivers joked with him. He goes, I

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Speaker 4: gotta be the first dude that threw for one hundred

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Speaker 4: and twenty yards and loss and get an award for that.

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Speaker 5: And we're treating him like he was again a senior

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Speaker 5: citizen at the old folks homes.

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Speaker 6: Say, okay, he won bingo.

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Speaker 4: Right, And that's where, like the Rivers thing is cute,

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Speaker 4: it's fun to watch and it's really cool, but you

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Speaker 4: lost five in a row. You know how many events

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Speaker 4: Colts hosted a home playoff game, and that will continue

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Speaker 4: Which very well could happen if the Colts don't win

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Speaker 4: You said it to me during the break, James, how

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Speaker 5: And so the Colts would be the sixth team to

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Speaker 5: six teams over the last fifty five years. Come on, man, Like,

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Speaker 4: That's not lost to me either, Like you're not in

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Speaker 3: With three weeks to go. I mean three weeks to go, that's.

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Speaker 3: Like that to me would resonate a whole whole lot. Caleb,

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Speaker 1: The phone line here, so we got Courtney.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Let's lead off here with Courtney on this Tuesday morning?

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Speaker 7: Hey, what's happening? I got my brother in here, Sorr

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Speaker 7: What's going on? Man? Uh? Yeah, I watched well, I

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Speaker 9: That was that defense was hor rif Zire Franklin just

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Speaker 7: I don't know if that deserves.

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Speaker 9: He needs to leave because he spends too much on

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Speaker 7: He needs to get off that.

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Speaker 7: Quickie pay is not showing up.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what's going on with him, and it

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 9: I'm so very disappointed, especially when Phil Rivers had played

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Speaker 7: Good job for all of that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Courney for the call. Appreciated, best to you

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Speaker 4: It was the first play was that where Kittle kind

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Speaker 3: Kittle made that play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just you know, I think we had questions

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Speaker 4: it's Taekwon Lewis, whether it's Beforrest Buckner. You obviously traded

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Speaker 4: T twomlo out. You know, this year has been a

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Speaker 3: A little bit earlier.

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Speaker 3: On supposed to be due.

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Speaker 4: You know, banking on Samson Ebcom coming off the torn

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Speaker 4: Like even if you don't consider the draft picks, which

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Speaker 4: But to now Christian McCaffrey have a night that he

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Speaker 5: I will say this to Courtney's point and again shout

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Speaker 6: It is a bad look when.

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Speaker 5: Because in my mind, I'm thinking to myself, if you

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Speaker 6: What the heck are you actually selling people well?

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Speaker 4: And also the justification that I've heard to whatever not

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Speaker 4: just pointed out since whatever nineteen seventy. They don't have

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Speaker 4: Their quarterback situation I think might be okay, But then again,

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Speaker 3: And yet you get a tenth crack at it. But

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Speaker 4: James was so rooted in Ballard's building, the defensive side

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Speaker 6: Look at the.

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Speaker 5: Mirror, absolutely, and I can't really disagree with any points

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Speaker 5: I believe Daniel might have had five turnovers if I

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Speaker 5: remember correctly, was five turnovers for Daniel, I think six

443
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 5: for the team and that loss in Pittsburgh, and I

444
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Speaker 5: remember riding after that game. I'm not saying I'm some

445
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Speaker 5: genius because many of those listening probably says.

446
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Speaker 6: The same thing.

447
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Speaker 5: When you made the Sauce trade right after that, you

448
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Speaker 5: basically gave up your exit ramp if you were still

449
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Speaker 5: gonna play the whole. Let's just see how this goes.

450
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Speaker 5: Types of thing you said after his worst game of

451
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Speaker 5: the year, we believe in this, dude, and we believe

452
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Speaker 5: that's that's an anomaly, that's just a one off.

453
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Speaker 6: And perhaps maybe it was to a degree like.

454
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Speaker 5: We couldn't have seen the future and said, oh, it's

455
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Speaker 5: gots gonna get hurt and play with a fractured leg

456
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Speaker 5: and teres Achilles all that. But even then he was

457
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Speaker 5: already he was gonna taper off. He started taper off,

458
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Speaker 5: and you were like, Nope, full steam ahead. This is

459
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Speaker 5: our group. We got this, which at the time I

460
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Speaker 5: was with it. Hey, you got a window that's open.

461
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 5: The AFC looks wounded this year. It is wounded this

462
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Speaker 5: year without Patrick Mahomes obviously, so here's your shot. But

463
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Speaker 5: this is a results based business, and the results that

464
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Speaker 5: you have now might change the calculation and what you

465
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Speaker 5: do moving forward with this regime, this group, because it

466
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Speaker 5: is very hard to sell from a player perspective, because

467
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Speaker 5: these dudes don't win. From a coach perspective, I don't

468
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Speaker 5: know how many coaches stay around after their first three

469
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Speaker 5: years without making the playoffs. Granted again, he's also had

470
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Speaker 5: a lot of things going on. I want to dismiss that.

471
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Speaker 5: And also, Chris Ballard, you're in year what is this nine?

472
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Speaker 5: And it hasn't been fruitful.

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Speaker 4: We'll get to a few more phone calls here coming

474
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Speaker 4: up eight o'clock hour. Do you want to get to

475
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Speaker 4: a little bit more audio from last night as we

476
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Speaker 4: continue to recap this. By the way, it's a ball

477
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Speaker 4: me Tuesday out there. Hopefully this will create some smooth

478
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Speaker 4: traveling for people this week here in what looks to

479
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Speaker 4: be a quite the unusual Christmas weather that we're about

480
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Speaker 4: to have.

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Speaker 3: I think one more thing to.

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Speaker 4: Add, kind of James to that point, and it's something

483
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Speaker 4: I mentioned to lead off the show, and I'll reiterate

484
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Speaker 4: it here again. Carl Orse Gordon, we don't know deep down,

485
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Speaker 4: like we don't know there is a little past precedent

486
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Speaker 4: with her at this level.

487
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Speaker 3: But one thing we do know about her father.

488
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Speaker 4: One of the things that frustrated him the most was

489
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Speaker 4: when the opportunities and again they haven't been many lately,

490
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Speaker 4: certainly three years since you're on Monday Night football, when

491
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Speaker 4: the opportunities for his team to play in primetime showed

492
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Speaker 4: up and they got embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: That bothered him endlessly.

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Speaker 4: And obviously there are elements to the daughters that they

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Speaker 4: want to do differently than their father, but there are

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Speaker 4: also a lot of core tenants that he has that

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Speaker 4: they agree with. And I am curious watching that game unfold,

498
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Speaker 4: particularly the defensive side of the ball, and again that

499
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Speaker 4: front seven.

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Speaker 3: Do they have the same level of bothersome.

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Speaker 4: I guess, for lack of a better term, that I

502
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Speaker 4: know their father would have watching all of that unfold.

503
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Speaker 4: And again, even if you don't play the embarrassment card

504
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Speaker 4: necessarily as much as Jim would have, what about financially,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we just watched this entire city absolutely come

506
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Speaker 4: to life with the Pacers playoff run, and those home environments, James,

507
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Speaker 4: that you were in many times were absolutely electric, and

508
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Speaker 4: not just from the financial pockets for the Simons in

509
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Speaker 4: getting home game after home game after home game, but

510
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Speaker 4: like the goodwill of people experiencing that, and now here

511
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Speaker 4: you are eleven years removed from the last time we've

512
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Speaker 4: walked into Lucas Soil Stadium in a meaningful January game. Like,

513
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Speaker 4: even if you can't quantify the good will that that

514
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Speaker 4: does for your fan base, what about financially getting a

515
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Speaker 4: home play? I mean, if anybody I get why people

516
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Speaker 4: are obsessed with wanting to see.

517
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Speaker 3: Their team in primetime.

518
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Speaker 4: Like if you watched ESPN from six o'clock on last night,

519
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Speaker 4: it is a walking billboard for your city, for your franchise.

520
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Speaker 4: They gave more love to the Colts than they did

521
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Speaker 4: the forty nine Ers pre game by far, it is

522
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Speaker 4: such an unbelievable advertisement for your city, for your franchise, etc.

523
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Speaker 7: Etc.

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Speaker 4: And then with tons of red in your building, you

525
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Speaker 4: get dog walked by a team that had not been

526
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Speaker 4: doing that offensively all year long. Again, how if this

527
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Speaker 4: was a teetering decision for Carli ERSA Gordon, does that

528
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Speaker 4: impact it at all? There's part of it that says,

529
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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think a week sixteen game and year

530
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Speaker 4: nine of a regime should have great impact. But this

531
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Speaker 4: has come from someone that thought Chris Baler should't have

532
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Speaker 4: gote a year nine either. So you know, maybe I'm

533
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Speaker 4: not the best person to ask.

534
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Speaker 3: Much more on this.

535
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Speaker 4: We'll get into it here in the eight o'clock hour

536
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Speaker 4: coming up, Kevin bow and James Boyd Caleb Zuber on

537
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Speaker 4: a Tuesday. Only thing worse than the Colts defense last

538
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Speaker 4: night is yours truly attempting to wrap a Christmas present.

539
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Speaker 4: Caleb Zuver, thank you for that intro. I thought that

540
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Speaker 4: Rivers quote certainly hit home pretty accurately right there. You

541
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Speaker 4: got two different movies right now. One's a fun Hallmark

542
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Speaker 4: movie and the other one is typical with what we're

543
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: used to from present day Indianapolis Colts, certainly in the

544
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Speaker 4: Chris Ballard era. Good Tuesday morning tea, it's ball me.

545
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Speaker 4: If you haven't been outside, you'll go shirts. You might

546
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Speaker 4: play golf on Christmas with what this weather looks like.

547
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Speaker 4: Kevin Bowen, James Boyd and Caleb Zuber again filling in

548
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Speaker 4: for Mark dyketon plenty to get to here as we

549
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Speaker 4: dissect last night forty eight twenty seven, the final score there,

550
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Speaker 4: James Boyd one quarterback hit on thirty four pass attempts

551
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Speaker 4: for brock Purty. They didn't encounter their first third down

552
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Speaker 4: San Francisco until the third drive of the game, and

553
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Speaker 4: that was because of a drop. And Christian McCaffrey had

554
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Speaker 4: what the two games over four yards per cary all year,

555
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Speaker 4: maybe it was three, and he was nearly six yards

556
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Speaker 4: per carry last night. Just an utterly horrific defensive effort

557
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Speaker 4: on a night that my hand is raised because Philip Rivers,

558
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Speaker 4: you showed me something that I didn't think you had.

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Speaker 5: So you told me that one of the things I'll

560
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Speaker 5: have to learn when I become a father someday is

561
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Speaker 5: about the blowouts when you have the young child, you're

562
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Speaker 5: burping them or whatever, and get that sound, a little

563
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: rumble in the stomach, and boy, the pamper is decimated.

564
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Speaker 5: I say that because the way Zire Franklin described yesterday's

565
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Speaker 5: game was.

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Speaker 6: With the S word. It was a bleepy day.

567
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Speaker 5: And I was thinking to myself, that's true. That might

568
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Speaker 5: have been a newborn blowout right there, because this is

569
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Speaker 5: unacceptable for this group. And I don't really know how

570
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Speaker 5: you square that. And the scene I'll kind of paint

571
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Speaker 5: for you all is you have Philip Rivers, one of

572
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Speaker 5: the last guys out of the locker room, and he's

573
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Speaker 5: putting on his clothes and looks like he can go

574
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Speaker 5: drive a truck after the game or something. And he's

575
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Speaker 5: pulling his clothes and you know, everyone's going up to

576
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Speaker 5: him and give him some dap and hey, thank you

577
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 5: for you know what you're doing, and this and that,

578
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: and just that scene of him sitting in his locker

579
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Speaker 5: by himself and he's kind of like staring off, probably

580
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: thinking about like all the million things that could have

581
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 5: gone a different way in the game, or how his

582
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: career has kind of taken this crazy turn near the

583
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Speaker 5: end of it. And it may not be for something

584
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Speaker 5: not to say that those are his words, but in

585
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Speaker 5: my mind, I'm thinking to myself, I know he will

586
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Speaker 5: be grateful, and he said that, you know, when loser

587
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 5: draw I came back, I'll live with the results. But boy,

588
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 5: it's got a way on him to know, like, man,

589
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: I might be playing pretty good football right now and

590
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 5: it might not even matter because we can't win a game.

591
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: And that's one of the things he kept saying repeatedly

592
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: after last night starts. We have to win a game.

593
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Speaker 5: Not we gotta go on a run. We gotta you know,

594
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Speaker 5: prove it doubter or is wrong. We gotta shock the world.

595
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: It was we have to to win a single game,

596
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Speaker 5: which the tone of that was just so jarring to me.

597
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and James, one week after your blueprint around Rivers

598
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: couldn't have been more flawless. It was the exact opposite

599
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: last night. The defense an absolute abomination. And then I

600
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Speaker 4: thought the Amir Abdullah fumble on the kick return it

601
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Speaker 4: changed everything. I don't know why, but it felt like

602
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Speaker 4: it was like a ten to fourteen point turnover.

603
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Speaker 3: It just well, you know.

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Speaker 5: Why, this is why I think you feel like that

605
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: for me personally. So you turn the ball over there.

606
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Speaker 3: So it's seven to seven to set at all off.

607
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Speaker 5: A mere Abdullah, who was great last week, by the way,

608
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Speaker 5: has the turnover, the fumble he lost fumble, he laune the.

609
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was great play. That happens.

610
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Speaker 5: They go and score to go up fourteen to seven,

611
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Speaker 5: and even though the Colts came back and matched at

612
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Speaker 5: fourteen fourteen, in the back of my mind, I was thinking,

613
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Speaker 5: oh boy, this is if it becomes a shootout, a

614
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 5: bad bad turnover because us they got the ball come

615
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Speaker 5: out of the half. So even if you had made

616
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Speaker 5: it to the first half right kind of unscathed. After that,

617
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 5: you're like, okay, we get the ball first to start

618
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: the second half, we can go to That did not happen.

619
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Speaker 5: They got the ball to start second half and they

620
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Speaker 5: went down to score again.

621
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Speaker 4: Well, the thought is from Shane Syke, and I know

622
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Speaker 4: a lot of people disagree on this. The thought with

623
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 4: him is right now we need to play from ahead.

624
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 9: Yeah.

625
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 6: I blame him for that, so we're gonna take the ball.

626
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we got to play from ahead, and for

627
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Speaker 4: that early in the game, for you to then be

628
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: playing from behind, it just forces so much pressure elsewhere

629
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Speaker 4: and like inevitably, this offense is not going to be flawless,

630
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: flawless for forty eight y or for sixty minutes. Clearly

631
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Speaker 4: we saw that. And you know Jonathan Taylor having his

632
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: least efficient rushing night of the season. Obviously you're down

633
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: several key offensive linemen right now. That is contributing to it.

634
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: You know, a couple other things for me defensively that

635
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: I thought define the night and would be so bothersome

636
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: right now and evaluating the defensive effort from last night, James,

637
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: you going to have time again. You've gotten your ass

638
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 4: kicked in the first half. Well, what was the score half,

639
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 4: twenty four to seventeen twenty four?

640
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Speaker 3: You're given up?

641
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I believe so okay, so twenty four points you

642
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 4: give up in the first half. Kittle is having a

643
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: career night against you, and the first play the second

644
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: half is right back to Kittle for a huge chump

645
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: like to me of all the you know if anybody

646
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: Kittle did it to you on what the first play

647
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Speaker 4: of the game or the second play of the game

648
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Speaker 4: when he goes over Jermaine Pratt for that catch and

649
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Speaker 4: then he comes out at halftime and he makes that

650
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: play and then you get them into a third and

651
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: goal from like the nine later on in the second half,

652
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: and of all the coverage, bust of all the breakdowns,

653
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: you're gonna have the breakdowns, not for Brian Robinson to

654
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: get open or Jake Tungus to get open, or Kyle

655
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: us Check to get open, or Juwan Jennings or Sky Moore.

656
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: The breakdown is to allow Christian McCaffrey to strut into

657
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: the end zone like those two plays, second half plays

658
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Speaker 4: after they have wit than Yeah, for the first thirty

659
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: minutes they come out, they throw it to their star

660
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: tight end. He makes a big play in the first

661
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: play the second half, just so fitting. And then the

662
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: third and goal to Christian McCaffrey on a just a

663
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: total breakdown. Not McCaffrey breaking dude's ankles with a hell

664
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 4: of a play, just walks right in the end zone

665
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 4: to really, you know, I get the cult tide to

666
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: drive there at the end until the Rivers picked sixth.

667
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 3: But I thought that was a dagger.

668
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 5: And this is where I need Caleb to chime in again,

669
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: because they scored twice on that possession. Yeah, man, it's

670
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: it's unbelievable.

671
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 10: Kyle Shanahan was smiling the whole game, because of how

672
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 10: easy it was, and there's no greater example. Then on

673
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 10: second in goal, they throw to Jake Tungus in the

674
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 10: back of the end zone and they rule it incomplete.

675
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 10: It's a great play by Purdy, by the way, like

676
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 10: he was rolling to his right, so a great yes,

677
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 10: and he does it and they initially rule it incomplete,

678
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 10: and then they show the replay on the broadcast and

679
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 10: it's like, hold on a second. There's turf pellets flying

680
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 10: up like I think he got his other foot down.

681
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 10: And San Francisco did not complain to the refs. They

682
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 10: just got back in the huddle and they're like, you

683
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 10: know what, it's third and goal from the ten or

684
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 10: twelve or whatever, and we're just gonna go score because

685
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 10: it's that easy right now, No no problem, We'll just

686
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 10: throw it. I think this was McCaffrey the next play.

687
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 10: It's that's how easy it was last night.

688
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal near sixty four yard or

689
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 4: touchdown field goal, touchdown, first eight drive to the San

690
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 4: Francisco forty nine ers last night. Two sides of a movie.

691
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: If you don't mind, Caleb, let's cue this up from

692
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers post game last night kind of an expansion

693
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: on the clip you heard right there in the intro.

694
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, I know that, you know, from a personal standpoint,

695
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 11: it'll be short lived. You know it'll be over and hurry,

696
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 11: which I told you all from the beginning. I'm gonna

697
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 11: I will be able to live with the results whatever

698
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 11: they are, and that necessarily mean I'm okay with them

699
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 11: and I don't care you know about them.

700
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, it is.

701
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: This week felt like a regular in week mode.

702
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 11: It felt a little bit like I've been here a

703
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 11: while in terms of the preparation and the flow.

704
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 7: During the week.

705
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 11: And you know, again, it's been I'm torn of how

706
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 11: to express it, because it's been a blast. It's been

707
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 11: a blast to prepare and to go stick and get

708
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 11: ready and go out there and warm up and do.

709
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: All that with these guys again.

710
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 11: But again, the name of the game is not you know,

711
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 11: go have a good time. It's helped find a way

712
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 11: to lead your team to win. And we've come up

713
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 11: short here these first two, but we've been I've been

714
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 11: a part of less percentage chances of getting in and

715
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 11: got in before. So you'll you'll certainly won't hear me

716
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 11: losing hope here as we prepare next week.

717
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need another hour before we break down a

718
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: playoff scenario. I can't. I can't.

719
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 6: That's what makes you and Philip River the different man.

720
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: I can't go there just yet.

721
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: Philip can't give up, Hope man.

722
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: Now this from Connor.

723
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 4: Half the game last night was enjoyable to watch with

724
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: all the talk by Philip Rivers pre snap, but the

725
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 4: other half was like watching the San Francisco forty nine.

726
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: Ers have a walkthrough.

727
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 6: Pretty much.

728
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: I think Connor just summed up the night.

729
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: I could sign off right now and just repeat that

730
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 4: here for the next hour and forty.

731
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of moments where they actually felt

732
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 5: resistance in the game a lot too. Strip that's one,

733
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 5: that's one they didn't. That's one right that they didn't.

734
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 5: A punt it in that game. What stopped them was

735
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 5: the crossbar in the first half and when brock Party

736
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: slightly over the receiver and cam Binam intercepted it.

737
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: You know what's so crazy?

738
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 10: Not punting used to be the Colts thing, that used

739
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 10: to be our thing, and now we have so someone

740
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 10: else coming into our house and doing it to us

741
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 10: as a fan.

742
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: That's just got to make you sick. It makes me sick.

743
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys.

744
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: Felt this way late in the game, but you know,

745
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: for those that went to bed, the Cults are down

746
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: fourteen and they're driving.

747
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: They have a promising drive.

748
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 4: If I remember correctly, they had two timeouts and still

749
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 4: had the two mid of warning. Like in a vacuum,

750
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 4: your team is still very much in the game.

751
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 3: You score there.

752
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: Shane Sage is not a believer in this, but some

753
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: people say, hey, you go for two there, try to

754
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 4: get the two point conversion. Maybe you cut it to six,

755
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, if you get a stop,

756
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: you have a touchdown drive for the win, if Blake

757
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: Groupy can make the extra point. I don't know how

758
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: you guys felt emotionally, but I thought to myself at

759
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: that point, I'm like, there's no chance to Cult to

760
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: win in this game, and like the offense had moved

761
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: it pretty well.

762
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: No Rivers ends up throwing a pick six.

763
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of an unfortunate way to

764
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: end a night that he certainly was much much better

765
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: than that. But like, I didn't feel any sort of

766
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: I guess optimism at that moment. I'm like, yeah, this

767
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: game is not this game's gonna end in the laws.

768
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: I don't know necessarily how it's going to look, but

769
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 4: there's no way the Colts A score the touchdown, B

770
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: get the stop, and then C score the next touchdown,

771
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: which in reality, I mean, you're down fourteen. You got

772
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: three chances to stop the clock. Like, it's not that

773
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: crazy of an idea.

774
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 5: It is when you have a defense like that, And

775
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: that's the point. I think you're trying to make four.

776
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 6: Hundred and forty yards. That was the most a couple

777
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: with like it.

778
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 4: It's so much pressure that you continue to put in

779
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 4: the offense, like the offense is going to crack at

780
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: some point.

781
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're asking the way I looked at it, and

782
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: I felt like this really early on in the first half.

783
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 5: It was probably right after the Mere Abdula fumble and

784
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: they came down and scored a touchdown to making fourteen

785
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 5: and fourteen. After that, I'm like, okay, well, you responded well,

786
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 5: but how well can you hold serve if the other

787
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: side is smashing a ball to like their Serena Williams like,

788
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,959
Speaker 5: I mean, how many times can you realistically any team?

789
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 5: I think we'll kind of have it hard if you

790
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: got to go down there and score a touchdown every

791
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 5: single time, because you know your defense can't hold water

792
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 5: or is the forest Buckton said can't stop a nosebleed.

793
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 6: So that was very telling to me.

794
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: And again just another example of this team folding in

795
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: a big, big moment. I'm trying to think of the

796
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 5: marquee wins in the Shan Steken era the last three years,

797
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 5: and what are they at this point in the year.

798
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 5: He's had big wins. I don't want to dismiss laving

799
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 5: this earlier. This year, you've had some key wins over

800
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 5: good teams.

801
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: No, but I'd argue one of the biggest constants is

802
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: awful December January loss.

803
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: That's what I mean that you.

804
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: Have to have.

805
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 4: And again, this is a different type of thing like

806
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 4: losing to Jake Browning, losing to Taylor Heineke, using to

807
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: Drew Locke.

808
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: That's in a different bucket.

809
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: Last night for me was in your own building, prime time,

810
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 4: first time in three years. You know, rock party is

811
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 4: certainly not those quarterbacks, but just to get your ass

812
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 4: royally kicked in the other facets of the game. And again,

813
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: this is where I think Stiken has some real issues

814
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: as a head coach, James he has to be. Can

815
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: you imagine how involved he has to be offensively right

816
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 4: now with rivers?

817
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 6: Yeah?

818
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: How is there enough time in the day to manage

819
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: the rest of the operation, whether that is defensively, it's

820
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: whether that is like, there's so much on his plate

821
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: as the head coach in the playoff, and again he

822
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: has accepted this, he has wanted this, And look, there

823
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: are a lot of coaches around the league. San Francisco's

824
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: got one of them that puts a lot on the plate.

825
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

826
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 4: Maybe this is a Robert Sala lu Anrimo thing, but

827
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: to me, it's the inability for your team to seize

828
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: the December January moment. Yeah, that's been a three year constant,

829
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: and frankly, it's probably been a constant before he got here,

830
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: if we're gonna be totally honest.

831
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: So maybe that's more of a ballad thing with the

832
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: roster he's built than anything. But I do.

833
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: Struggle with that with Stiking, Like if you graded him

834
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: as a play caller from last night, you'd give him

835
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: close to an A if not an A. If you

836
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 4: grate him as a head coach though, that's a totally

837
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 4: different grade. I mean, how does your defense no show

838
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: like that against an all like the San Francisco offense

839
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: is not the greatest show on turf?

840
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 6: And mostly you sure boy.

841
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: Without their star whiteout last night too, or I should

842
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: say they're they're number one wide out. So that's the

843
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: stiking part of it.

844
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 7: That just.

845
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: I just shake my head at the head coaching.

846
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: Responsibilities, not the play caller, not the offensive game planner,

847
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: the head coach you oversee it all, and part of

848
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: it is is your team ready to meet the moment?

849
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: Like kurtz Signett's bunch, they meet the moment every single

850
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: time they meet the moment.

851
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: That is a key, key part in I think being

852
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: a head coach.

853
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 4: And from the onset last night, you didn't meet anything

854
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: outside of certainly the offensive side of the ball.

855
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 6: So here's a question for you.

856
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 5: Because we all, I believe, picked the forty nine ers

857
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 5: to win that game yesterday, and granted that would probably

858
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 5: mean that we think that they're going to lose out

859
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 5: the rest of the way, does it matter the fashion

860
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 5: in which you do so, Like if we're sitting here

861
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 5: today talking about a yeah, twenty seven twenty three loss.

862
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 5: Does that change how you view this regime or this

863
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 5: end of season collapse.

864
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: It's a good question. It's one that I've asked myself.

865
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: I think I've asked some of our guests here over

866
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks, like, should four weeks of

867
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: a Philip Rivers off the couch era have this great

868
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: inflection point of.

869
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: How you evaluate him? I pardon me, thinks no.

870
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: But again, James, I mean I brought last year at

871
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 4: the end of the season that Gus Bradley and Chris

872
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: Ballard should go like.

873
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 8: Also, can I say this real quick, I'm trying not

874
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 8: to be numb to like my Ballad thought, like I've

875
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 8: thought he didn't deserve a ninth year, So of course

876
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 8: I don't think he deserves a tenth year after watching

877
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 8: this unfold in the manner that it has.

878
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, sorry Dounterrup, but no.

879
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 6: You're fine.

880
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: I think when you brought up Gus Bradley, here's a

881
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 5: scene for you, Caleb and Kevin sitting there in the

882
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 5: press box, and you know how for those who don't

883
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 5: attend the game, Actually I should break this down, but

884
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: where I sit in the press box, it's kind of

885
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 5: near the elevator, and when you get off the elevator

886
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: and you walk right across, this's where my seat is.

887
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 5: So I see everyone come through the press box because

888
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 5: they literally have to walk past me to go anywhere

889
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: in there.

890
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 6: And at the end of the game, when the.

891
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 5: Coaches are all coming out and getting ready to go downstairs,

892
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: it's talk about Gus Bradley and his defense. The guy

893
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 5: I see walking by me on the victorious side this

894
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: time is Gus Bradley, who's an assistant with the forty

895
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 5: nine ers.

896
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 6: I thought that was such a funny moment. Wave to him.

897
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 5: Nice guy, But boy, he's probably thinking, well, you got

898
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 5: rid of me just to have the exact same thing

899
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 5: happen with it. Probably his mind a lot more resources

900
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 5: than I ever got.

901
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: As I said that was funny, is a key and greedy? No,

902
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: I think the question asked funny.

903
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 5: Caleb like, not not the funny funny, but I was like, boy,

904
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 5: that's funny.

905
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 6: Looking.

906
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: I think the question that you asked is an important

907
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 4: one because again, like who cares? I guess, in my

908
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: opinion is how does Carl Rosa Gordon feel it? And

909
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: that's why I go back to what I was saying

910
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: a little bit earlier in the eight o'clock hour, James,

911
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 4: what really pissed her dad off was embarrassment in primetime.

912
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: How would you define last night an embarrassment in primetime?

913
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: So, you know, because that's all that really matters at

914
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: the end of the day is you know, does she

915
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: have is she bothered by it? And again, the embarrassment

916
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: last night was not that a forty four year old

917
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: dude was tripping and falling, and you know, it was

918
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: the offense, it was the defense, it was a healthy

919
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: front seven. It was you know, other facets of the

920
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: game that didn't meet it. So it's again, it's one

921
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: I've thought about. It's one that I've struggled with a bit,

922
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: but it's probably fair to bring up, you know, And

923
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: I'll coming into last night, I didn't get the impression

924
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 4: that necessarily there would be changes, but who knows. Caleb

925
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 4: had said a quick morning checked out, all right, three

926
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: positives from you two from last night.

927
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: Caleb. We're gonna put you on the hot seat first.

928
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 10: Oh man, you know what I thought the receivers, Josh

929
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 10: Downs and Alec Pierce.

930
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: I thought their effort was there all night.

931
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 10: And you kind of alluded to it earlier, just kind

932
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 10: of the way the yards after catch worked out. Some

933
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 10: of that goes to Rivers, but like they fought for

934
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 10: first downs, they made big plays. I thought their effort

935
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 10: was elite and I really appreciated watching that.

936
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 6: James Blake groupie.

937
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: I thought that he did a fantastic job as a

938
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: kicker yesterday and quietly has put to bed one of

939
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 5: the other issues that popped up through the season.

940
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll throw Rivers in there.

941
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: I mean, just from a positive standpoint, and I don't

942
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: think I'm grading him on the forty four year old scale.

943
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: I think as an NFL quarterback, he played pretty good

944
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: football for you last that was NFL good. I know,

945
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 4: the pick six, you know, makes it look a little

946
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: bit different at the end there, But still he did

947
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: a lot. I mean, and again, guys, down your left tackle,

948
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: your right tackle, and your center loses or leaves on

949
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 4: the second snap of the game, So we get it

950
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: in the offensive line a little bit here.

951
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: So Philip was going to chase him down there for

952
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 5: a second on the pick six and just lost a

953
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 5: couple of wheels.

954
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: I did see he waited for d winters for the

955
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: game to compliment him on that pick six, pretty Philip

956
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: Rivers like post game all right, Pacers a hell of

957
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: an effort really until the fourth quarter last night, they

958
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: actually had a notable lead on the Boston Celtics, could

959
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: not close it out there in Boston. So they will

960
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 4: have now the Bucks coming up tonight in a back

961
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: to back.

962
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: They are right around to pick them against the Bucks.

963
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: So late travel last night, Rick Carlisle shot me text

964
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 4: about three thirty saying, Hey, can we maybe postpone it

965
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: so we'll have Rick join coming up next week on

966
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 4: the show. But Pacers and Bucks in action and they'll

967
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: see the Celtics again. That's coming up on Friday. College

968
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: basketball from yesterday, Butler and Indiana both get the pre

969
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: Christmas victories that I certainly would have loved for my

970
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: team to have gotten a few days back. Butler all

971
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: over the New Jersey Institute of Technology. I believe at

972
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 4: one point the score was seventeen to nothing. Great balance

973
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 4: from the Bulldogs in that one. So that's a pretty

974
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: good non conference for them. The Boise State loss will

975
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 4: be one that definitely they would have liked back, but

976
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 4: all in all, it's a pretty good non conference here

977
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: for Butler and then Indiana over Sienna. Nick Dorn starting

978
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: to come on a little bit here for the Hoosiers.

979
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: I know there's some big time intrigue from him and

980
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: transfer from Elon coming off the bench. Fry you a

981
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: little banged up in the offseason, So we'll see if

982
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: that can translate to the Big ten players. Now, it's

983
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 4: quite a long time off for Indiana before they restart

984
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: the Big Ten. Much more on last night, We'll continue

985
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: to take your calls, play some audio. It is the

986
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: fan morning show here on a Tuesday.

987
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 5: Sang, how do you explain that defensive performance given the

988
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 5: stakes of this game.

989
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to be better. That starts with me.

990
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: Got to be better, bottom line. We can't give up

991
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: that many yards. They scored a lot of points, went

992
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: up and down the field. We got to get that

993
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: cleaned up in a hurry.

994
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 7: You know.

995
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: It's you know, our defense played great last week and

996
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: then this week got to be better and starts with me,

997
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: bottom line.

998
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: Shane Second.

999
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: Last night, after the forty eight to twenty seven loss,

1000
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 4: officially eliminated from the AFC South. At some point in

1001
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: the nine o'clock hour, we will get to quite the

1002
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 4: interesting playoff scenario that the Colts still have. With two

1003
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 4: weeks left, I can't give myself to go there though

1004
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 4: before nine o'clock, so we'll do that.

1005
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: I do want to give make sure I do this

1006
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: before we get to the end of the show.

1007
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: Massive thank you to Caleb Zuver, Mark Dydon, Eddie Garrison,

1008
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 4: Nathaniel Finch, Kurt Gerald's, James Adams, all of our engineers

1009
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, all of our producers, board ops. It's

1010
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: been quite the ever moving buildings, new operating system. So

1011
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 4: a big, big thank you to people behind the scenes

1012
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 4: because I know it hasn't been easy. And also thank

1013
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: you to our listeners because I know there's been some

1014
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: hurdles and some hiccups and we appreciate your your patients.

1015
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: But thank you to all those involved. Love the new studio,

1016
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: love the new setup, but we've definitely had some expected hiccups,

1017
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: I guess, and so appreciate everybody behind the scenes and

1018
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 4: to the listeners as well for bearing with us here

1019
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: over the last.

1020
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 3: Week or so.

1021
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Eddie Garrison, who I love, excluded from that list.

1022
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 5: You still got some work to do, some things to

1023
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 5: you know, get through some levels to get to so.

1024
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 3: At Romeoville Kid on Twitter Eddie Garrison, I don't.

1025
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 6: Worry he'll be choking me out when the next time

1026
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 6: I see him.

1027
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison and Richard Sherman, I'll say my my love.

1028
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 5: Eddie Garrison runs DEVI. I remember doing my first show

1029
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 5: with Eddie years ago at this point.

1030
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 6: So yeah, we've literally changed buildings since then.

1031
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: So shout out to all the guys behind the scenes

1032
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 5: who make us sound good on these airwaves.

1033
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: Eddie just bills Mafia James on this table here and

1034
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 4: about it when he gets in the building.

1035
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 5: Look, I told you I was very diplomatic growing up.

1036
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 5: You know, the weight class didn't help when it comes

1037
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 5: to fighting, so I knew when to pick and choose

1038
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 5: my battles.

1039
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: I believe you.

1040
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: Part of me wants to cop out and throw the

1041
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 4: question back at you, but I think you asked the question.

1042
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 6: Right, I'll throw it at me. I'm sick of these

1043
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 6: people are asking me the same question.

1044
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: How much are injuries a valid excuse?

1045
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: Right first? If you want me to no, no, no,

1046
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: you you asked the question, you.

1047
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 4: Know, I think on the egregious scale of nine years

1048
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: of Chris Ballard, is this season a top the list.

1049
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

1050
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: I don't think it's maybe one of the top two

1051
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: or three seasons either. But there are teams and honestly,

1052
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: probably the two teams most relevant to the culture right now,

1053
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: i e. Your opponent last night and the team that

1054
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: is currently above you in the playoffs and it's likely

1055
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs over you, Houston and losing their

1056
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 4: starting quarterback as well and winning without him for several games,

1057
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 4: there's an element of you have to overcome some of that,

1058
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: and you know when you look at the schedule, it's

1059
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: going to play out in the manner that you had

1060
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: a very easy first half schedule period and certainly you

1061
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: pass that with Flying Colors, but the question was always

1062
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: going to be could you sustain it at some level?

1063
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: And as the schedule started to stiffen, you wilted. And

1064
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 4: you know, the injury excuse has always been a tough

1065
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: one for me because James like have the Colts hats

1066
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: some big time injuries. Certainly, technically, if you want to

1067
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: be technical, you were out of the playoffs when Daniel

1068
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 4: Jones towards Achilles. Now is he battling through obviously a

1069
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: leg injury. Yeah, But like you were out at that moment,

1070
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: and you've had pristine health at the skill players. You

1071
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: know what happens if Jonathan Taylor has normal running back health.

1072
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: What happens if your offensive line for thirteen or fourteen

1073
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: games was barely touched?

1074
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1075
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: Are we going to continue to go down this path?

1076
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones has really never been healthy and playing at

1077
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 4: an acceptable level in his.

1078
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: Entire NFL career? Is that something I was just supposed

1079
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 3: to expect.

1080
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 4: What happened over the final two months of the season.

1081
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: So I, again, on the egregious scale, are there other

1082
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: seasons there? But to say right now that this regime

1083
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 4: deserves another crack at it because of injuries and because

1084
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: you don't want to give a new GM draft classes

1085
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: that won't have first round picks doesn't sound like a

1086
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 4: very ringing endorsement on why those people deserve to be back.

1087
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 5: I think I'm probably with you on that one. I

1088
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: do think it is a nuanced conversation. But we don't

1089
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 5: live life in a vacuum. If this was just year one,

1090
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 5: one season, I could get with the Okay, injuries crept

1091
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 5: up on you.

1092
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 6: You couldn't predict the future.

1093
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 5: The Achilles, the fracture fibula Sauce Gardner in this calf,

1094
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 5: I have to ask myself, now, Okay, are you playing

1095
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 5: again this year given the nature of those injuries and

1096
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 5: what we saw that lead to with Tyre's halliburn And

1097
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 5: you know, certainly don't want the cash trying to turn

1098
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 5: into an Achilles tear. But point being Kevin, it's hard

1099
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 5: to find a silver lining or a certain level of grace.

1100
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 5: We should extend this regime well. And also to and

1101
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 5: you know, thank you to listener Eric for pointing this

1102
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 5: out too. Maybe if there was more like on the resume,

1103
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 5: you could excuse us a little bit, more like what

1104
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: if you had whatever two or three year run where

1105
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 5: you won the division a couple of times. Maybe you

1106
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 5: want a playoff game, maybe you showed some late season promise,

1107
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 5: but like that's not there.

1108
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, and you have to search long

1109
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: and hard for it again.

1110
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: You know, when I asked about that question the combine,

1111
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: what do you feel like your greatest accomplishment has been

1112
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: as a GM Correct if I'm wrong, but I believe

1113
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 4: he went back to either twenty eighteen or twenty twenty.

1114
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're now in the year twenty twenty five.

1115
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 4: Does two months of good football all of a sudden

1116
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 4: say let's go year ten, baby, Let's run it back

1117
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 4: now again? These are all my thoughts. I want to

1118
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 4: make that very clear. I mean, you asked this question

1119
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: to us right here. I am very torn. I guess

1120
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 4: unknown on exactly what the powers that be will do,

1121
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 4: but I just sure there's context to it, and I'm

1122
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: not going to ignore the injuries. But to me, there's

1123
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: just a lot. I guess I'm the naughty list. If

1124
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 4: you will that, it's hard to.

1125
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 5: Overlook the naughty list. Does that get broken out in

1126
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 5: the bone household? Do you use that as a little

1127
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 5: bit of a web huge threat?

1128
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge. It's honestly probably my greatest weapon

1129
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: right now.

1130
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: Is there an Elf on the shelf in the bone house?

1131
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 3: Sure?

1132
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, Emily moved to Where did Emily? All of a sudden,

1133
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: I looked at the In my mind, Emily was moving

1134
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 4: last night. I think she's on top of this math

1135
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: that Nelly sits on, which I think will really rattle

1136
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: Max when he sees that.

1137
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 3: This morning. I can hear him screaming, it's gotta following

1138
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: them up.

1139
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 4: You would bring them back because of why, Like when

1140
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: I hear that, I think that thought that argument people

1141
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 4: meet it with, well, you don't have your two first

1142
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 4: round picks, so what's the only reason I And I'm

1143
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 4: like white a minute, is that a ringing endorsement?

1144
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 5: But you don't know if it's a ringing the endorsement,

1145
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: but I think it is already commitment to what you.

1146
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 6: We're going to do.

1147
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 4: Anyway, which that gets into a little bit of a

1148
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: commitment this and maybe we need to have a bigger conversation,

1149
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: maybe we should wait till the season ends. But James,

1150
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 4: I hear you out on that point, and that to

1151
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 4: me is a little bit more of the alarming Carly

1152
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: Urse say Gordon side of it. I don't know, maybe

1153
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: hindsight's twenty twenty, but like for her to sign off

1154
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 4: on that trade was quite the backing of again not

1155
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 4: only saws Gardner or the player, but Daniel Jones is

1156
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 4: your franchise quarterback, and Chris Baward and Shane Stikeen in

1157
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 4: the positions that they are, and as an owner, that's

1158
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: a bit alarming two months into it that you felt

1159
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: like whatever everything had been turned around or however you

1160
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: wanted to define it to make that massive of a trade,

1161
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 4: and for you to say, well, because we did it,

1162
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: we can't now go back on it.

1163
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1164
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: That sounds like dangerous leading from me. And I've said

1165
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 4: this quite often before. So much of I think people

1166
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: in positions of authority like that is you have to

1167
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 4: admit when you're wrong, and that's really difficult to do.

1168
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: Like it took Chris Bouard a long time to admit that, oh,

1169
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 4: maybe I should spend a little bit more free agency.

1170
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: I've used this example before. It Kevin Pritchard over the Pacers.

1171
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 4: It took him a little while to say, you know what,

1172
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: Sabonis and Turner, we probably should stop that. And then

1173
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: once he did, he found gold.

1174
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 5: So like that, I don't know, is that good business

1175
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: if you signed off on the deal, if you said

1176
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 5: let's do this and it didn't work out, let's get

1177
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 5: rid of you. Like I'm not saying it's bad business,

1178
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 5: but it certainly is an interesting move.

1179
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 3: I hear you out.

1180
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 4: But again, what's the business that that person has accomplished

1181
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: that you're then banking on?

1182
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: Like where is the resident?

1183
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 6: Like it goes back to that commentary you said.

1184
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean when you get into the GM hired and lack.

1185
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 6: Of resume makes it hard.

1186
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: When you get in the gms that hired the same

1187
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: year as Chris Ballard, the man on the other sideline

1188
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 4: last night, John Lynch, the man in Buffalo, and Brandon

1189
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 4: Bean and the man in Kansas City and Bread Beach.

1190
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: You went to weay resumes, Veach, Lynch, Bean, the Ballard.

1191
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: If I were a ballad and I was in a

1192
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: classroom I'd be running to get out of that classroom

1193
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: before those popped up on the screen. To see what

1194
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 4: Kansas City, Buffalo and San Francisco I have done in

1195
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: the time that I've been GM much more.

1196
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: Nine o'clock hour, one final hour here before we head

1197
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: to Christmas.

1198
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 6: It is only one of them won a Super Bowl.