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Speaker 1: Stage is set. You just heard JAMV talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Indiana and Ohio State for the Big Ten Championship Lucas

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Speaker 1: Oil Stadium on Saturday night. It will be electric, especially

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Speaker 1: afternoon and then the night cap is the big one

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Speaker 1: for all the marbles within the conference. And joining us

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Speaker 1: Of course, you see him on the Big Ten Network

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Speaker 1: and they will have all kinds of coverage. We also

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Speaker 1: have fan Fest tickets for the Big Ten Championship to

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Speaker 1: give away. We will do that upcoming. But Dave Rebsen

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Speaker 1: joining me now, Dave, let's begin actually with this question

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Speaker 1: because I know you guys will be locked and loaded

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Speaker 1: the coverage from the Big Ten Network standpoint of all

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Speaker 1: of the happenings in Indianapolis. I'm sure our vast your

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Speaker 1: responsibilities will be what during the time that you're here, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Jack, Let's see, we're doing Big Tennis Today stuff from

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Speaker 2: down on the field on Fridays, so that is noon

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Speaker 2: Eastern time. Well, then I think head over to the

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Speaker 2: fan Fest and we're doing some hits from there which

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Speaker 2: will air on the show at night, the big show

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Speaker 2: on Friday night, and then Saturday we have an hour

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Speaker 2: that is at eleven o'clock Eastern I'm one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's noon, and then we're on the air. We're

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Speaker 2: doing all the basketball halftimes from there. I believe we

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Speaker 2: the fan Fest. So we've got you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: on over and give it a listen that hour long show.

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Speaker 2: We'll have guests. And now while we're talking, I'll try

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Speaker 3: So Dave, let let's begin with this.

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Speaker 1: This matchup is obviously fascinating between Ohio State and Indiana.

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Speaker 1: If you were to rank, okay, if between offense and

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Speaker 1: you know, Ohio State offense, Ohio State defense, Indiana offense,

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Speaker 1: Indiana defense. If you were to rank those one through four,

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Speaker 1: the unit rankings, they would rank what in terms of

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, I mean, I haven't thought of it in

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Speaker 2: those terms. It's interesting that you would ask. I think

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Speaker 2: I'd say, Ohio State defense, it's definitely the best unit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you maybe have to argue that

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Speaker 2: Indiana's defense is the second best unit in this game.

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Speaker 2: You know, they's second in the nation in scoring defense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they've been really good. They're so hard to

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Speaker 2: both the defenses are probably the two best units in

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Speaker 2: the game. I don't know that we really know. I

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Speaker 2: know this sounds crazy because we're twelve games in, but

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Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty interesting thing that sig was

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Speaker 2: asked yesterday in his news conference, do you think Ohio

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Speaker 2: I think they might be on offense, like which was

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Speaker 2: a crazy idea to me. But like the more I

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Speaker 2: I wonder whether he is right. I do think Indiana's offense,

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Speaker 2: like what we've seen this year. I think Indiana's offense

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Speaker 2: is better than Ohio State's offense. Ohio State has the

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith is a different.

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Speaker 1: Way, agreed, I really do, David. I actually, and you

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Speaker 1: he would be able to suit up and play in

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Speaker 1: but his talent level is that. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's He's really great. And again like the

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Speaker 2: I think we're splitting hairs on this whole thing, Jake, like,

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Speaker 1: Covered jams and is a and is also a fabulous

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Speaker 2: Them incredible, So you know, he have a little bit

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Speaker 2: Like again, I think Ohio States defense is as good

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Speaker 2: I think Indiana's offense has shown us that to be

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Speaker 2: a little it better so far this year than Ohio

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Speaker 2: Does I think of the best individual player in the game.

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Speaker 2: I just I think it's really close. Like there's a

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Speaker 2: These are, in my opinion, the two best teams.

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Speaker 1: You know it, David, feels to me Dave Repsen of

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Speaker 1: me like the only difference in twenty twenty five between

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Speaker 1: I went to Indiana, right, I grew up. I watched

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Speaker 1: But but and having said that, it's still there's like

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Speaker 1: But yet they are kind of mirrors of one another,

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Speaker 2: last year I think kind of maybe reaffirm that. What's

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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. They were just better. Both those teams

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Speaker 2: I just think it's hard if you haven't done it.

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Speaker 2: at it and say, well, we just never beat those guys,

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Speaker 2: really don't like, my sense is that Indiana looks at themselves,

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Speaker 2: they say, last year, we thought we're really good. We

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Speaker 2: and now we're going to see how we match up.

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Speaker 2: But we have every belief that we're going to win.

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Speaker 1: Dave when Dave Repsen is my guest, when you you've

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Speaker 1: been around Kurt Signette, you guys have done obviously you

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Speaker 1: caught some heat after the Ohio State and Notre Dame games,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a little less bravado than

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Speaker 2: Like I was so flabbergasted, Jacob like.

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Speaker 3: Totally and in Indiana too, right, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've been friends with Jerry for twenty years, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: So so when Jerry took over in Indiana, right, he's

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Speaker 2: got I think fifty five players on scholarship. He'd know

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Speaker 2: it was a disaster, right, like the place which is disorganized.

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Speaker 2: They weren't ready to win. And I like, I think

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Speaker 2: and so like you're sitting next to a guy who

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Speaker 2: I don't even know sig knew that, but like I

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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of coaches that view film.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what bagel are you getting?

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Speaker 3: And how does it work?

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Speaker 1: Do you literally just get a ballot and you write down,

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Speaker 2: I think it's open Sunday and Monday are It's basically

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Speaker 1: Dave and the Big ten Network crew will all be

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Speaker 4: Right. Absolutely, you got it, Dave.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Safe travels down here by all means, and we look

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Speaker 2: I know you're busy as always, my friend, see you soon.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Dave Revsen joining us on the Java House

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Speaker 1: This happens when more regularity than I care to admit. Okay, Eddie, premonition.

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Speaker 1: This just in courtA no longer the state capital. It's

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Speaker 1: This is my unpopular opinion. As I'm driving last night

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Speaker 3: Okay? I hate Ohio State. I hate them.

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Speaker 3: I hate them.

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Speaker 1: I love that they come here and spend all their money,

437
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Speaker 1: and I think they're people because the rest of the

438
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Speaker 1: year I actually am akin to them because I'm a

439
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Speaker 1: Reds fan and so too are a lot of them.

440
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to the way that they choose

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Speaker 1: their football team, they all air.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, having said that, the Big Ten Championship game, Indianapolis

444
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Speaker 1: has been selected as the host city of the Big

445
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Speaker 1: Ten Championship Game. As the host city of the Big

446
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Speaker 1: Ten Championship Game, that means that if you're going to

447
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Speaker 1: put something up on the JW Barriott, it needs to

448
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Speaker 1: be celebration and champion of the event itself, not with

449
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Speaker 1: a bias towards one team. And while I understand that

450
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Speaker 1: Indiana is the athletic program that is indigenous to the

451
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Speaker 1: state in which the JW Marriott sits, the reality is

452
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Speaker 1: that putting that up on the JW Marriott where mind you,

453
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Speaker 1: probably the majority of people staying there this weekend are

454
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Speaker 1: fans of, wait for it, Ohio State. But nonetheless, it

455
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Speaker 1: is the responsibility of whether it be the sports core

456
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Speaker 1: unless that was paid for by ind University. There needs

457
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Speaker 1: to be an objectivity and not a bias shown. Even

458
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Speaker 1: though we all assume that most people in Indianapolis and

459
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Speaker 1: for that matter, the civilized world are rooting for Indiana

460
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Speaker 1: to bet Ohio State, while we all assume that it

461
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Speaker 1: is the responsibility of the promotion of the event to

462
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Speaker 1: do so to celebrate the fact that the Big Ten

463
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Speaker 1: Championship Game is being housed in Indianapolis, and not to

464
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Speaker 1: show favoritism towards one team or the other, and I

465
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Speaker 1: think it's actually somewhat irresponsible to show a favoritism towards

466
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Speaker 1: one team. Now that maybe that the graphics incomplete and

467
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Speaker 1: have yet to put the Ohio State helmet up, and

468
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Speaker 1: then they're going to put a Big Ten trophy in

469
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Speaker 1: the middle of it. I don't know, but I think

470
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Speaker 1: they should celebrate and champion the fact that we are

471
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Speaker 1: hosting the event and that as the epicenter of hospitality,

472
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Speaker 1: that JW Marriott should show a welcome of all to

473
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Speaker 1: the championship event.

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Speaker 6: I guess it all depends Jake on who's buying the space, Like,

475
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Speaker 6: is I you buy.

476
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Speaker 1: If I'm buying it, I get that, But in any

477
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Speaker 1: other capacity, even if it's the JW, they should be

478
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Speaker 1: showing it as an equal fifty to fifty of celebrating

479
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Speaker 1: the fact that we are privileged as a city to

480
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Speaker 1: welcome all for the Big ten title.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, Scott Agnes joins us on the Java House Peel

483
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Speaker 1: and poor guest line. Fieldhouse Files has coverage of the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: We'll let Scott, who just had to sit through that

485
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Speaker 1: entire soliloquy, opine and way in Scott, am I right

486
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Speaker 1: or wrong on this?

487
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Speaker 7: I think you guys are hitting it completely right there,

488
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Speaker 7: as if it suggests to me that it's eye you purchase.

489
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Speaker 7: They've leaned into this never daunted theme over the last

490
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Speaker 7: couple of years, and so if they sought it out

491
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Speaker 7: and commissioned it, no big deal with that. But certainly

492
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Speaker 7: if it's something put on by the city or anything

493
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Speaker 7: like that, I don't think they would have done that.

494
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Speaker 7: They would have done something neutral.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's and that's my thought because now it's different.

496
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Speaker 1: When the Pacers were in the NBA Finals, they put

497
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Speaker 1: up the Pacers graphic, but that's different because the Pacers

498
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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals were only in Indianapolis. Because of the Pacers,

499
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Speaker 1: it was not selected. So in other words, if Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: was the Super Bowl host city and the Colts happened

501
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Speaker 1: to be in it, I still would anticipate that it

502
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Speaker 1: would have the Lombardi on it, and then the Colts

503
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Speaker 1: helmet and the NFC helmet both both on there. You know,

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Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: I guess it depends who's the highest bidder, right with

506
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Speaker 7: that space, because we've seen advertisements in terms of you know,

507
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Speaker 7: Gatorade putting Caitlin Clark up there, correct, Or when it

508
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 7: was Indy's All Star Game, they put Tyrese Haliburton up there,

509
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Speaker 7: but it was advertising how everyone could get involved with

510
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Speaker 7: All Star erect that.

511
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Speaker 1: Like when Caitlin Clark during the All Star Weekend for

512
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Speaker 1: the WNBA, Nike put her up there, but it said

513
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Speaker 1: from downtown in my hometown, like welcome all, you.

514
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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

515
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Speaker 1: It was like she was the ambassador and he was

516
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Speaker 1: the ambassador welcoming everyone, regardless of allegiance.

517
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Speaker 7: I think the best example of this would be Taylor Swift.

518
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Speaker 7: I can't believe Taylor commissioned a a big portrait of

519
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Speaker 7: her on the side of the JW right that had

520
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Speaker 7: to be presumably downtown Indy or visit India to welcome

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Speaker 7: all the Indie fans, and so that was a neutral contributor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I just I think that when you have Indianapolis

524
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Speaker 1: should push its chest out about the fact that it

525
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Speaker 1: has been selected for years now as the host city

526
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Speaker 1: regardless of who the opponent is. It just happens to

527
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Speaker 1: be fantastic that it's Indiana University. But maybe you're right,

528
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Speaker 1: I mean, if I you bought it themselves. That's different.

529
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then no issue, no problem,

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Speaker 1: all right, Scott, Let's get to last night at Gambridge

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Speaker 1: field House the Pacers in Cleveland. I I saw a

532
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Speaker 1: slow and late arriving crowd and I thought to myself,

533
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Speaker 1: maybe this crowd is not here because people have accepted

534
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Speaker 1: the fact that the Pacers this year are on the

535
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Speaker 1: struggle bus. But obviously it was weather impacted, because the

536
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Speaker 1: crowd then was pretty good. I think people have figured

537
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Speaker 1: out in our understanding patient to the fact of they're

538
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: struggling because everyone is hurt, right, But there are some

539
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: players that you look at, Scott and you say, Okay,

540
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: this is going to be a net positive in the

541
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Speaker 1: long run because this player's X and Y are getting

542
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: significant minutes that are then going to help them acclimate

543
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: once the Pacers are back full throttle. And then other

544
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: guys I call them empty calorie guys. There are some

545
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: guys that are empty calorie guys. You just need calories

546
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: and they're not providing you anything, but you just need

547
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: them because you're hungry.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So that said, give me a player or two so

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Speaker 1: far this year that you look at and you say,

551
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: they're taking advantage of showing what they can do, and

552
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: they're going to be part of a rotation once everybody's healthy.

553
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say as a whole, the first guy

554
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Speaker 7: that jumps out to me it was Jay Huff as

555
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 7: a reserve. I don't know if he's your starter full time,

556
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 7: but I think he's really now settled in Jake over

557
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 7: the last three weeks or so and showed exactly how

558
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Speaker 7: productive he can be in the minutes that he's given.

559
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 7: I mean, is block shot ability has been as good

560
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 7: or better than advertised. So he's the number one guy

561
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Speaker 7: I think of making a mark because I bet not

562
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Speaker 7: one Pacer fan had heard of him before he was

563
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 7: acquired here. The trouble is, the list isn't very long

564
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Speaker 7: right now. Jake, We've had moments. We've seen Isaiah Jackson.

565
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Speaker 7: There's been moments for Jaris Walker and Benedict Mathern. I

566
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Speaker 7: would say, as the whole, he's been very good. Obviously

567
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Speaker 7: last night a little bit of an off night, just

568
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Speaker 7: eleven points three of nine was not a big factor

569
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Speaker 7: in this. But overall, I mean, Mathern's been able to

570
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Speaker 7: be counted on for about twenty points per game. And

571
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Speaker 7: continues to grow within his game still on his rookie deal.

572
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Speaker 7: So I would also put him in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: What is the contractual status, because I think they got

574
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Speaker 1: a hardship last year kids he was out. Where do

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Speaker 1: things stand contractually with Isaiah Jackson?

576
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Speaker 7: Isaiah Jackson just came off his rookie deal last year.

577
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Speaker 7: It was the same situation. We should note as Benedict Mathern,

578
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Speaker 7: they not reach an agreement in the fall before the season,

579
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Speaker 7: and so he went into a contract year into the

580
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Speaker 7: detriment and Isaiah Jackson standpoint, he suffered that a torn achilles,

581
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Speaker 7: which obviously negatively impacts your value just because it's the

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Speaker 7: injury that it is. So the Pacers re signed him

583
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Speaker 7: this past offseason a three year deal worth twenty one million.

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Speaker 3: Okay I couldn't remember.

585
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Speaker 1: So he is in for three years because Scott, I'll

586
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Speaker 1: be honest, and I like Isaiah Jackson a great deal.

587
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Speaker 1: But I have wanted to see more than I have

588
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Speaker 1: seen thus far. Am I too critical considering the injury?

589
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Speaker 7: I would just say a little bit.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 7: I think he's obviously he's absolutely left want us all

592
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 7: wanting for more out there. But I also didn't expect

593
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Speaker 7: for him to be thrown into the starting lineup immediately

594
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Speaker 7: or be asked to play twenty five minutes in some circumstances.

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Speaker 7: And you know, last night I think was their fifth

596
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 7: game in seven days something like that. And so that's why,

597
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 7: for example, you a veteran like TJ McConnell held out.

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Speaker 7: They just according to Rick Carlisle postgame, he said, it's

599
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Speaker 7: no new injury. We just didn't feel like with all

600
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Speaker 7: these games that he looked sharp at the beginning of

601
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Speaker 7: the game, so we cut them off for the rest

602
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Speaker 7: of the game. Well now I'm factoring that. Okay, Isaiah

603
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Speaker 7: Jackson coming off the worst injury. All of us really

604
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 7: agree that you can have. Okay, we got to be

605
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 7: a little bit delicate with it, but also he's a

606
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Speaker 7: professional and paid at this level, so we should expect more.

607
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Speaker 7: But yeah, there's definitely a lot to be desired still.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes is our guest Joba House, Peel and Port

609
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Speaker 1: guest line where you hear him Field House Files, where

610
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Speaker 1: you can read his work and coverage. Scott, let's go

611
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Speaker 1: back to Jay huff I said earlier, and I want

612
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Speaker 1: your thought on this. Do you see Jay Huff as

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Speaker 1: somebody that is still auditioning to be a long term

614
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Speaker 1: starter for the Pacers, or is Jay Huff a guy

615
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Speaker 1: that is realistically in eighteen to twenty one minute off

616
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: bench solid piece once everybody's there guy.

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Speaker 7: Sad part is I think it's both. Realistically, it's the latter.

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Speaker 7: It's played that eighteen minutes per game off the bench.

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Speaker 7: Being an energy guy. He's really showed some consistency from

620
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 7: beyond the arc. He plays in that respect in his

621
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 7: blocking like Miles Turner. So for fans it's probably a

622
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 7: comfort blanket. It's familiar in what they get from a center,

623
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Speaker 7: whereas Isaiah Jackson very different from that respect. But right

624
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Speaker 7: now they don't, in my opinion, have a starting caliber center,

625
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 7: no one playing at that level. Therefore, I think they're

626
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 7: all starting for that or trying for that long term

627
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 7: gig for this season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The the thing about Jay Huff, I agree with you,

630
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Speaker 1: and he is really in the last i don't know,

631
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: week or two, I think, become more active around the rim.

632
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: He just seems more comfortable in the flow of what

633
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: they want. But you tell me this, Scott, do you

634
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Speaker 1: feel that he has the same high post passing and

635
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: facilitating ability. That and I hate to compare everything to

636
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Miles Turner, but that's what you're replacing, right. Does he

637
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: have the same facilitating nature that Miles Turner had.

638
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 7: I'm not sure they asked Miles to do a lot

639
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 7: of that facilitating. There was certainly some picking pops a

640
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 7: lot where he was coming up to set the screen.

641
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Speaker 1: I think Turner would come up at the beginning of

642
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: a possession. Turner would you know. Obviously a lot of

643
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: times he was coming down, he was the last one

644
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: down because he was starting a break off of a

645
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: block or whatever else. But a lot of times he

646
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: would flash up, he'd get the ball on the high

647
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: post and then they would kind of start that weave,

648
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: if you will, And he was usually the first guy

649
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Speaker 1: that would kind of pop it out to one of

650
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Speaker 1: those two and then he flashes back down.

651
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: Right.

652
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Speaker 7: He had a lot of movement. Yeah, from the top

653
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Speaker 7: of the ark. He would get it first, then switch

654
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Speaker 7: it to the other side, and then go move off

655
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 7: the ball.

656
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: You're right, So do you feel that that Huff can

657
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 3: be that kind.

658
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: Of a guy?

659
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I think so. He's agile.

660
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 7: I think you're right, he's gotten not only a lot

661
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 7: more comfortable and confident in the know how of this

662
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 7: system and what is being asked if him from Carlisle.

663
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 7: But I also think he's gotten his conditioning, and that

664
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 7: was such a big thing early on. Without that, you're

665
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 7: always playing ketchup and huffing and puffing out there. And

666
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 7: so now he's at the point where, yeah, I think

667
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 7: you can flow or facilitate if you will, because right

668
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 7: now they don't have that dominant guard or dominant guy

669
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 7: that they are playing through. They need to play through

670
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 7: Siakam as much as possible. But yeah, I think Jay

671
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 7: Huff can be utilized in many of the similar ways.

672
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: I saw last night. Scott, were you down of the

673
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: game last night by chance?

674
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 7: Still?

675
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: No?

676
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: Okay?

677
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: There was a late in the game, mid fourth quarter,

678
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I think, and I don't know if they if the

679
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: broadcast caught this or not, mather and missed a blockout

680
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: and Carlile called a timeout. I can't remember if he

681
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: called the timeout because of the miss blockout or if

682
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: it just so happened there was like an out of

683
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: ball or you know, maybe even called the time out.

684
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: But Rick Carlyle like got down almost like on a

685
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: stool across from Benedict Matheren to get in his grill

686
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: basically about the miss blockout and kind of gave the

687
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: riot act to the entire roster sitting there for the

688
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: for almost the totality of the time out, and everybody

689
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: responded fine, he didn't pull anybody out. They went back out.

690
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't like some ugly situation, but it was a

691
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: unique situation. I don't know that I've seen Rick Carlyle

692
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: get that agitated in vociferus during a timeout during the

693
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: course of a game. Am I missing something or is

694
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: that out of character?

695
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: No?

696
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 7: I think that's on brand. How many times do we

697
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 7: see him call those quick timeouts like start of the

698
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 7: second score that, But then he usually it's short bursts

699
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 7: will and he kind of like the assistance then handle

700
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 7: it right like for him, what I'm saying is, yes,

701
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 7: usually he'll call the time out and then he goes

702
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 7: up high and like Jenny will come out and they'll

703
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 7: talk for a second, and Lloyd Pierce or somebody will

704
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 7: go and kind of handle things, and then he kind

705
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 7: of comes down and goes over what needs to be

706
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 7: done for him to call it, specifically to undress everybody.

707
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 7: He wasn't wrong, and I applaud it, but I just

708
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 7: to me that jumped out at me.

709
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

710
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 7: I think normally what he'll do, mostly for like an

711
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 7: individual blowing a coverage or something, he'll erupt on them, briefly,

712
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 7: make the point and then go right into the timeout,

713
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 7: like you said, and everybody these guys are smart enough

714
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 7: they know exactly where they just messed up and why

715
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 7: that timeout was called, and so it kind of goes

716
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 7: without saying there. But yeah, you're seeing a lot of

717
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 7: that coaching, a lot of that emotion I think come

718
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 7: out from all of them because there is no margin

719
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 7: for air right now for this team.

720
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: Do you think Pascal Siakam that game winner that he

721
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: hit Scott to see that bench erupt and you know,

722
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: basically cross the mid court stripe with him and everyone

723
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: around him, that to me looked like a roster that

724
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: was understanding of the the toll that things were taking

725
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: on Pascal Siakam because he's a guy that's used to

726
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: winning and now he's like the lone soldier out there

727
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: at no fault of anybody's because of the attrition. Do

728
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: you think that emotionally it is wearing on Pascal Siakam.

729
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 7: I think absolutely, how could it not? And I think

730
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 7: it's weighing on all of them, but no one more

731
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 7: than him, given how much of a burden he's had

732
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 7: to shoulder, especially as is the running mate with Andrew

733
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 7: Nemhard missed a lot of time with injury, and so

734
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 7: they he was the one guy you could count on

735
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 7: for about twenty five minutes per game, even Matheren miss

736
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 7: time with that turf toe. He was the one stable

737
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 7: point that this team had, and for him to contribute

738
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 7: like he did, to play the big minutes like he

739
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 7: was playing. He was playing like thirty six minutes per

740
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 7: game back when more guys were out, and so yeah,

741
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 7: I think you just saw that pent up frustration and

742
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 7: just the team losing, be like, look, I finally got

743
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 7: some luck, we finally got a win, and it boiled

744
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 7: over to the point where you could how they talk

745
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 7: about his leadership being a big deal. I thought you

746
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 7: could see that here where they all just wanted to

747
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 7: celebrate him in so many different ways. I mean pouring

748
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 7: water on his head and taking his headband and those

749
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 7: things you don't do for a guy you don't like.

750
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 7: They love Pascal and the levels in which he's contributing

751
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 7: to this team on and off the court.

752
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Scott, what's the latest on field House files and what

753
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: you're working on?

754
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, Lloyd Pierce is hosting a coat drive this afternoon

755
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 7: at three point thirty there at Horizon House. So looking

756
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 7: back at last year and looking ahead and hopefully a

757
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 7: big contributions to that, Scott.

758
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 6: Did you go to the Noblesville Boom game on Saturday

759
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 6: to watch them take on the Wisconsin Herd.

760
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 7: I did, and I'm actually yeah, I did. I saw

761
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 7: them get the win over the Herd. And more to that,

762
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 7: I had a long postgame conversation with Victor O Ladipo.

763
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 7: I was the only one there covering it and had

764
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 7: an opportunity to catch up with him, and he expanded

765
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 7: on so many different ways that he has changed, and

766
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 7: his simple message to Pacers fans is judge me for

767
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 7: who I am now, not what I was. I've changed

768
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 7: a ton since then. He expressed some remorse for a

769
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 7: lot of different things, and now he's just not ready

770
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 7: to call basketball quits just yet, and so that's why

771
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 7: he's staying after it.

772
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: Do you believe that in that conversation, And that's interesting, Scott,

773
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: that Oladipo would say that he was at the game

774
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: the night before, right, I mean, he was there kind

775
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: of incognito. Actually I looked over and I'm like, is

776
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: that Oladiepo over there? But do you think that, in fact,

777
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: he does regret just kind of the way things were

778
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: handled and the way that he left here.

779
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: I do.

780
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 7: I think how he handled the situation as.

781
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: A whole, and I can't remember how it was the

782
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: exact situation. I pardon my ignorance and asking that. I

783
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: just know that he was injured. And then did he

784
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: ask for a trade? Is that what it was?

785
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 7: It was one of those writings on the wall here

786
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 7: that I'm not kind of happy here and so you

787
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 7: should kind of move me. And eventually he made it

788
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 7: clear he wanted to get to Miami, and so they

789
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 7: dealt him in that deal, if I remember correctly, to Houston,

790
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 7: which brought back Karris LeVert in a four team trade.

791
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 7: And the biggest issue we found it was more so

792
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 7: the lead up and how everything was handled while he

793
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 7: was still here mostly since his injury, and he chose

794
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 7: the doctor and went to Miami and rehabbed away from

795
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 7: the team, and he didn't guess.

796
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: What remember that during the playoffs, he the first they

797
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: played Boston in the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, and

798
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: he missed he missed the first game, like missed his flight,

799
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't make it back for the first game.

800
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 7: There is weather delays on the tarmac and his playing

801
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 7: his private jet couldn't get out in time. That ain't

802
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 7: going yeah, and then uh, that delayed him if I

803
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 7: remember right, to a shoot around. And so he finally

804
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 7: saw the guys and met up shortly a couple hours

805
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 7: before the game, and they just wanted to focus on

806
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 7: the game. They just trying to get a win and

807
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 7: prevent a sweep here, and so that that was a

808
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 7: little messy. But the overriding theme I think in all

809
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 7: this is the doctor didn't do the surgery correct Jake,

810
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 7: and then that quad ten and ruptured again, and then

811
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 7: he changed agents two or three different times. To me,

812
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 7: it fundamentally comes down to what he wants, who he

813
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 7: trusts in the circle of trust that he allows around

814
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 7: or within him, and that that was bad for him

815
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 7: down the stretch and has led them down this path

816
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 7: where you know, he's had these injuries and now is

817
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 7: on the outside looking in for an NBA contract, but

818
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 7: I think he'll make it back. It's just he's got

819
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 7: to embrace this role of being that veteran like a

820
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 7: James Johnson who can contribute at times, but can he

821
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 7: lead in other ways and find out other ways to

822
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 7: contribute on a veteran minimum heat?

823
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: And has he gained weight? He looked bigger. He looked

824
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: thicker to me.

825
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying fat, and maybe it's muscle, but he

826
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: looked bigger to me.

827
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 7: Maybe a little. I didn't notice anything substantial in that level.

828
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: Scott Agnesfield House files, Jaba House, Peel and Poor Guest line,

829
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: and you can read all about Oladipo and the rest

830
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: of it on the website.

831
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: Scott appreciate the time as always.

832
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 7: Of course, thanks guys.

833
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: Scott Agnes us.

834
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you know this and

835
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: not Eddie, but this song adequately describes my the three

836
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: favorite people on earth, so.

837
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 6: He, myself and I am.

838
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: I love me some me man, no question about that.

839
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Joining us now in the Java House, Peel and Poor

840
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: Guest line from ESPN dot com.

841
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: Stephen Holder is our guest. Steven.

842
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: Let's begin with this kicker situation for the colts. We

843
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: were just discussing there apparently is one who is going

844
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: to be in the building at some point today. Do

845
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: we have any idea how many might be in or

846
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: where things stand.

847
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: No, but but keep in mind they have likely been

848
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: kind of keeping tabs on the kicking market for the

849
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: last couple of months, you know, seeing how they lost

850
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: their kicker. They did do a workout with several kickers

851
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: earlier this year, so they have a pretty good feel

852
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 4: for what's out there and at least some options of

853
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: what's out out there. So I think they can probably

854
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 4: move pretty quickly. I thought they might have some I

855
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: thought they might have a workout yesterday, and I did

856
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: not see any visits listed for the folks on the

857
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: NFL transactions, so that didn't happen. So what I took

858
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: from that was they probably have an idea of what

859
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: they want to do, if that makes sense, So we

860
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: will see. But I fully expect some movement there, or

861
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: at least it seems likely at this point. Let's put

862
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: it that way.

863
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Now, let's get to a couple of items from a

864
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: health standpoint, Steven, and we'll start with sauce gardener. I

865
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: have not heard any specific today. Yesterday we talked to

866
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: Ralph Reef and he wasn't speaking of Sauce Gardner's case specifically,

867
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: but rather in generalities and simply saying that Gardner in

868
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: the type of injury, if it is what we thought

869
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: it was going to be a cap strained that that's

870
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: probably a three week deal.

871
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: Where do things standard? Do we have any more information?

872
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: No, we don't, but I think we can kind of

873
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: ballpark it based on what we do know, which is

874
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: we have some sense about the injury. The exact severity,

875
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: the exact diagnosis in particular we haven't gotten, but we can,

876
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: you know, just piece it together. The other thing that

877
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 4: we can, I think take some direction from is shame

878
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: Stikeen being very adamant that he does expect him to

879
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 4: play at some point before the end of the regular season.

880
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: There are five games left, so that that's not a

881
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 4: big window, and that they are not as of right now,

882
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: there are no plans to put them on injured reserve,

883
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: which is four games a minimum, So the three game window,

884
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: you know, is a ballpark guess I would say. The

885
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: other thing I can throw out there, I don't know

886
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: if their injuries are exactly the same, but Kenny Moore

887
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: earlier this year had what we thought was a achilles

888
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 4: tear initially, if you recall, he went down on the field,

889
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: also a non contact injury, and we feared the worst.

890
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: It turned out it was a strain and I don't

891
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: know if it was more of the same area as Gardner.

892
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: He said it's more in his cap rather than the achilles,

893
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I didn't do the MRI, obviously,

894
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: but all I can tell you is that Kenny Moore

895
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: with something kind of sort of similar. He missed three

896
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: weeks and then was back, So hopefully that is a

897
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: good guy post for us.

898
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: We played earlier Steven Stephen Holders my guest Jaba House

899
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Peel and Port guest line. He's from ESPN dot com.

900
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: Shaverius Ward Mooney.

901
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: Ward, you know, obviously is a very good player and

902
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: has had the concussions, came back.

903
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: He had a big play against Kansas City.

904
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: But I think he's looked a little off and I

905
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: know that he had the personal tragic loss of his daughter.

906
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: And I believe that we just arked, you know the

907
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: I always hate to use the word anniversary because I

908
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: think of anniversary is a celebration, but you get my

909
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: point of that of that happening in his life. But

910
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: we played an audio clip from him where he was

911
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: saying that he just doesn't play as well when his

912
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: head is cloudy and his body is cloudy. And I

913
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: took that as him talking about because he was so

914
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: open and transparent of coming off of the concussion and

915
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: how close he was to thinking he would never play again.

916
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Do we have reason to believe that that? And I

917
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know if he was just somebody said, no, Jake,

918
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: he was talking about his daughter there. But I think

919
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: he's been so open about the fact that coming off

920
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: that concussion just really set him back a little bit.

921
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: Do we think he's even close to one hundred percent?

922
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: So I think he's probably one hundred percent physically. I

923
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: think he was talking about his mindset. Of course, we're

924
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 4: all just interpreting, of course, right, But you are correct

925
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 4: the one year, you know, Mark, for lack of a

926
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: better word, of his daughter's passing, I believe it was just

927
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. He he had some really

928
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: I think, really I would say, sort of painful remarks

929
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: that he or I guess posts that he had on

930
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: Instagram around that time that I think spoke to his

931
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 4: state of mind, and it was not great. To be

932
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 4: completely honest, it was really hard to read some of

933
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: the things that he posted, and none of us can

934
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: even imagine unless we've been through that, right, So I

935
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: get it in terms of, like, I understand why he'd

936
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 4: why he would be so so real and so raw

937
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: and saying things like that publicly. So I in light

938
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: of all of that, I think he's just talking about that.

939
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: I think he's still processing what happened, and especially in

940
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: light of the time of year. I remember when he

941
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 4: signed his contract, he even said that going back to

942
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 4: San Francisco was not an option for him, and not

943
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: because of anything the forty nine ers did, not because

944
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: they're not a good team or an organization. He said,

945
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 4: there's just too much history there. I can't go back,

946
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: And and his daughter's mom was like his girlfriends, like,

947
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: I can't be back there. She she left, in fact

948
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: and went back home to Texas. If I'm not mistaken,

949
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: after the little girl passed away. So I just think

950
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 4: this is a young man who's just been through a lot,

951
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: and I hope that he's getting the help that he needs.

952
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 4: I don't know. I stay away from the topics from him,

953
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 4: because he has been clear that it's hard to talk about,

954
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: so I try not to go there, but I do

955
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: hope that he's that he's getting the help he needs because,

956
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: you know, having seen it happen in my own family,

957
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: I don't want to get like super off the topic here,

958
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: but like having seen family members go through that, you

959
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 4: never heal. There's no healing. It's just like you just

960
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: deal with it. You know, there's no I'll be better.

961
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to get over it. You don't. You just don't.

962
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 4: You just get a little bit better and you cope.

963
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: So I just hope he's.

964
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Doing okay from a health standpoint. Daniel Jones is the

965
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: other player that obviously we now know, and I thought

966
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: his mobility looked very compromised. Steven, has there been any

967
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: indication of I guess a two part question. Can this

968
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: from now to the end of the year and any

969
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: way get better? Is the first question, and the second

970
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: is would the Colts explore the possibility of getting him rest?

971
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 4: So the first question in terms of it getting better,

972
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: all I can tell you is what they believe the Colts,

973
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 4: and that answer is yes, they believe there will be improvements.

974
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 4: And for whatever it's worth, Daniel Jones himself said that

975
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 4: in the Texans game he felt better than he did

976
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 4: in the Chiefs game. I'm with you. I do agree

977
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 4: he was compromised some And I have said this a

978
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 4: few times and people got to have and said, oh,

979
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: I think he did a good job and he's he's

980
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 4: fighting it out and toughing it out. Yes, that's true,

981
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 4: but we can also admit that like he's not one

982
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: hundred percent. They can't call all of the plays available

983
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 4: to them in the playbooks because some of them require

984
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: him to use his legs and they're not going to

985
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: do that right now. So they are compromised. There's no

986
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 4: question about that. And they're not going to admit it.

987
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 4: They're not going to talk about it, but they are.

988
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 4: It is a fact, and you can do with that

989
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 4: whatever you want. But that is true and there's nothing

990
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: to argue about. As for your second question, will they

991
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: consider sending him down? No, not unless something drastically changes.

992
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 4: There is absolutely zero, zero intent to play Riley Leonard.

993
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 4: And if they did, I think you would see you

994
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: would see a very very very basic approach to the

995
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 4: game plan and it would not be it would not

996
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 4: be one that would put you in position to win.

997
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: They're they're not they're not ready for him to play.

998
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 4: They don't think he's ready to play. Let's put it

999
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: that way.

1000
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: Should they be going to a more basic offensive game

1001
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: plan anyway of more featuring Jonathan Taylor, Well, I hear you.

1002
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: I think I think there's a there's some merit to that,

1003
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: but there's a difference. Though there's a difference. I think

1004
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: there's there's gonna be times when we talked about the

1005
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 4: complexity of their offense and and all the things that

1006
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 4: they want to do to attack defenses, which is what

1007
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: led to Daniel Jones becoming the starter. So given all

1008
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 4: of the I don't think you're going to be able

1009
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: to have Riley Leonard come in there. Who who doesn't

1010
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 4: have Frankly doesn't have the physical skill set that either

1011
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: of the other two quarterbacks have. Anthony Richardson being the other.

1012
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 4: He's not available, but I'm just throwing him in there.

1013
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard's physical skill set is it's far below I

1014
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: believe either Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. So even though yes,

1015
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: I hear your question, should they simplify the offense, Yes,

1016
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 4: and no, you it's still the NFL, and you've got

1017
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: to come out there with a full menu because defenses

1018
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: are too good. Because if if they if you are

1019
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: too predictable, you're dead. You're dead, sober, you're gonna lose.

1020
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 4: You've got to have a menu that challenges defense and

1021
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 4: keeps them on their toes and make unpredictable. So that's just.

1022
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: Kind of where they are, Uh, Steven, what we talked

1023
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: about this last week and then you know, even yesterday

1024
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't know this, Stephen.

1025
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: Def con.

1026
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, you always hear people say like, we're def

1027
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: con for deaf Con three. Where so apparently the lower

1028
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the number, the more the the pucker factor. Okay, so

1029
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: deaf Con one means that like there's a huge mushroom cloud,

1030
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: and then deaf Con four means like, you know, we're

1031
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: we're okay here, right, So the culture at what level

1032
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: of death con?

1033
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: Well, Uh, I think the answer would be different. We

1034
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: were talking about the state of the world, but that's

1035
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: not the question.

1036
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Everything we're speaking, we're speaking in terms of the cold

1037
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: season itself.

1038
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, everything's fine. Uh, I'd stay it's I think

1039
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: def Con three. I ask me again on Monday. I

1040
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: might have a different answer, but I think they have

1041
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: an opportunity. I think it was it might have been

1042
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 4: Mooney Ward who said this. I think he's right about this.

1043
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 4: He said, everything we want to achieve is still in

1044
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: front of us. He is right about that. Like they're

1045
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 4: not going to be the number one seed in the AFC.

1046
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: I don't anticipate. Excuse me, but but he's not wrong.

1047
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: I mean, they can still control their own destiny, they

1048
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 4: can still handle their business. The problem is they have

1049
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 4: some challenges that are going to be difficult to deal with,

1050
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 4: as as we already outline, and most of them has

1051
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: to do an injury, and and that just is what

1052
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 4: it is. But I do think if they win this game,

1053
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: puts you at what nine and four, It takes a

1054
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 4: little bit of the pressure off and lets you reset

1055
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 4: a little bit, and and then you've just got to

1056
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 4: finish decent. They don't have to win out or anything,

1057
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: but they got to win. They got to win some.

1058
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 4: They got to win two or three of these to

1059
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 4: really be in position to win this division. So I

1060
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 4: think it's stepcon three unless and until they lose this game,

1061
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: or if they win this game, maybe it goes down

1062
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: a little. You know.

1063
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: It's the curious thing here, I think partially Steven and

1064
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this because the Colts got out to

1065
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: the blazing start at seven and one, you know, and

1066
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: just every literally every button they pushed was unlocking every door.

1067
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: It was just fabulous. You kind of didn't pay a

1068
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of attention to what Houston and Jacksonville were doing. Houston, clearly,

1069
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, we just saw it. I mean, we know

1070
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: what Houston is and defensively their outstanding. But Jacksonville has

1071
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: won because the Colts have yet to see them, and

1072
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: they got to go down there this weekend that I've

1073
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: not paid as much attention to other than I keep

1074
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: waiting for Trevor Lawrence to show me why he's Trevor Lawrence.

1075
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: That said, what challenges does Jacksonville present and what is

1076
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: Jacksonville doing that has now put themselves in this stick

1077
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: along with Indianapolis.

1078
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, for one, I would say their schedule

1079
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 4: was not favorable early on, which is kind of the

1080
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 4: opposite of what the Colts had going on. Right, So

1081
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, it is difficult to know what you're

1082
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: looking at, you know, when you're when you're assessing teams

1083
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: early in the season. It's not always that easy. And

1084
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 4: I've always stressed this, like, don't make staff decisions after

1085
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 4: a few weeks, you know, because you just don't know

1086
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 4: what you're dealing with. So that's that's one thing. And

1087
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 4: I'd also say, like their defense is definitely gonna get

1088
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: a challenge. That that's real. I think that they they

1089
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 4: have a quarterback who is capable. I don't I don't

1090
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 4: think that Trevor Lawrence came up at night. But he's

1091
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 4: also like a guy that if you if you make

1092
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 4: mistakes on defense, like he'll beat you. You know, he'll

1093
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 4: make the plays to beat you. That's just what it is,

1094
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 4: you know. I just think they're they're also from everything

1095
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: I can tell, And I'm like you, like I have

1096
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 4: I paid a lot of attention to the Jaguars. No,

1097
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: I mean because there didn't seem to be a good

1098
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: reason to do that. But they do seem to have

1099
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: more depth than they have had. They do seem to

1100
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 4: be well coached this year. I got to give Liam

1101
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: Cohen credit. I didn't know what to expect from him.

1102
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 4: That that's underwhelming. Duval that he gave in his press conference,

1103
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 4: he gave me bad vibes. I was like, I don't

1104
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 4: know if I can take this guy seriously, but you know, look,

1105
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: Nick Sirianni also had an awful opening he did.

1106
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: Sirianni was like, they were ready to run him out

1107
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: of town, right listen.

1108
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: I got calls from colleagues around the NFL after that

1109
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 4: press conference like who is this crown? I was like, look,

1110
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: I know I watched it. It was bad, but hear

1111
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: me out, hear me out, and I actually I didn't

1112
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: know if it would work, but I really liked Nick

1113
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 4: and I really thought that that he had some kind

1114
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 4: of some kind of magic to him. But anyhow, he's

1115
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: he's got a Super Bowl. So despite where they are now,

1116
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: you know that that tells you something. But anyhow, back

1117
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 4: to the Jags and Liam Cohen, Yeah, I think they're

1118
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: an interesting team because like, what's the one thing you

1119
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 4: think about when you think about that team about going

1120
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: to play the Jaguars. The answer is nothing, really.

1121
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, historically I always think that they and I'm going

1122
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: way back right and just branding. Historically, Steven, I always

1123
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: think of Jacksonville as being very defensively sound up front.

1124
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: Now that's not to say they are. Now that's just

1125
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: what I you know what I mean.

1126
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but that's about it. I mean, you know,

1127
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 4: they're just kind of they're just kind of, you know, solid,

1128
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: That's that's what i'd say. And solid though, can get

1129
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: you to eight and four, which is where they are.

1130
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 4: But I don't think you fare the Jaguars in any respect,

1131
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 4: which is kind of why it's impressive that they are

1132
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 4: where they are. Yeah, I don't. I don't have a

1133
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: lot for you. There's really not a lot there. Frankly,

1134
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 4: They're just they're just kind of plucky and solid and

1135
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: you better show up. It's all I can to tell you.

1136
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1137
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: The when you look at the schedule remaining Steven Holder's

1138
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: my guest. ESPN dot com is where you can read

1139
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: his work, and of course he's on the job house

1140
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. The schedule is there is

1141
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: really no break here, Steven, you know, I mean, you're.

1142
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: Not that there ever is in the NFL.

1143
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: But if you look at it, you go to Jacksonville,

1144
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: then you come back, and you got to go to Seattle,

1145
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: which you kind of wait for Seattle.

1146
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: To come back down to Earth.

1147
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen now, right, and

1148
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: then the Niners Jacksonville again, and then you got to

1149
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: finish in Houston. So there's just it seemingly when we

1150
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: go back to Daniel Jones, I'm kind of fixed on

1151
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: that if there's an area where they need to just

1152
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of take a game where they slow things down

1153
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: a little bit for him, I just don't know where

1154
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be. I mean, they they this seems

1155
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: very backloaded to me, But talk me off that ledge.

1156
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 4: No, I mean I can't. It is what it is.

1157
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you see the schedule. I see the schedule,

1158
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 4: and I do think I will say early on, I

1159
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 4: think we all knew that they were playing somewhat of

1160
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 4: a light schedule, and I don't think we ever denied that.

1161
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: But I also felt like, all right, they are so

1162
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 4: good offensively that I kind of don't care who they play,

1163
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 4: you know, like it didn't matter to me. The games

1164
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 4: would get harder, clearly, and that that was a given.

1165
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: But I still like them in terms of favoring them

1166
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 4: because I think when you're beating bad teams by thirty

1167
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 4: literally thirty points, you're better than just about every team

1168
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: out there. Right, So this is the NFL. It's not college,

1169
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, No one should be beating

1170
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 4: anybody by thirty points. So I thought, look, this is

1171
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 4: a really good team. But I do think I don't.

1172
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of things. It is the injuries,

1173
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: it is the way defenses are attacking them right now.

1174
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 4: They're really they're blitzing heavy, They're they're really attacking the runs.

1175
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 4: It's not just sainings that ike and being stubborn about

1176
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 4: running the football. Defense is no. You got a compromise

1177
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: quarterback and you got the best running back in the NFL. Huh,

1178
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: So you know it's not that hard, but they they

1179
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 4: have to overcome it. Man, if you're good, you'll overcome it.

1180
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 4: And and they've got to figure that out. But it

1181
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: ain't gonna get easier. Losing Sauce hurts. You saw what

1182
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 4: happened immediately on Sunday. Sauce goes down. They had a

1183
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 4: plan and yeah, Sauce, you're on the you're on the

1184
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 4: left side. Excuse me, you're on the right side. Mooney,

1185
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 4: you're on the left and you guys just stay there.

1186
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 4: So wherever Nico Collins is, you get a little bit

1187
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: of a break when maybe you get the number three

1188
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 4: or four receiver on your side, right well, Sauce goes down.

1189
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 4: They said, mooney, you got the big guy, go get him.

1190
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 4: And then he's on them all day long. That's a

1191
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 4: long day, man, So you know, it just doesn't get easier,

1192
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 4: and the taxing nature of that, it's just really tough

1193
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 4: to deal with.

1194
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: Stephen.

1195
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 8: What is it going to take or what is it about?

1196
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 8: You know Makhai Blackman that lou Anirumo loves because I

1197
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 8: watch him play and I'm like the guys getting beat

1198
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 8: or they ran to his side on the Nico Collins

1199
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 8: touchdown Ryan and he looked like a kid in like

1200
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 8: Walmart or something when they lose track of their parents.

1201
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 8: Their arms are out to the side and completely befuddled

1202
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 8: on where they're supposed to be. And he's the guy

1203
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 8: that's in the backfield right there with a chance to

1204
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 8: either stop or slow down Woody Marks. And he looked

1205
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 8: like he wanted to know business of doing that.

1206
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 4: So when the Colts did for him, because remember that

1207
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 4: was a trade in the I think right before the

1208
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: start of the regular season, the Colts made that trade

1209
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 4: with the Vikings and brought him here. I asked a

1210
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 4: I asked a reporter in Minnesota for a scouting report.

1211
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: The scouting report was as follows, He's not very good.

1212
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 4: That was it, and that has proven to be true.

1213
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: It's proven to be true. I hate to say it,

1214
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 4: and I'm beating up on the guy, but I agree,

1215
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: I wholeheartedly agree. I do not know why he's playing

1216
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 4: over Dylan Jones, and I vehemently disagree. Now, bluan Umo

1217
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 4: doesn't give a damn, But I'm just telling you if

1218
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: he asked, that's what i'd tell him. I don't know,

1219
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 4: and I just think Jalen Jones. I'm not saying that

1220
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 4: he's Deonn Sanders in his prime, but I mean, just

1221
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 4: look at the physical differences. Right. One guy that's undersized,

1222
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 4: really undersized in Blackman. The other guy looks like he

1223
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 4: was made in a lab where they make defensive backs.

1224
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 4: So and the other guy has also started an entire

1225
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 4: season and a half since he was drafted. I can't

1226
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 4: say that for Makai Blackman. I can say either one

1227
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: of those things. So it's very big to me. I'll

1228
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 4: tell you this is a thing you tend to see

1229
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: with Anna Rumo. Though this happened in Cincinnati as well,

1230
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 4: which is he has some very strong preferences when it

1231
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 4: comes to personnel, and it might just come down to, like,

1232
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 4: I trust this guy to execute three or four coverages

1233
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 4: that I like a lot, so I'm going to play him,

1234
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 4: whereas the other guy's a better player. But maybe he

1235
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 4: has he's basing his decision on one little aspect of

1236
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: the situation and the rest of us might see it

1237
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 4: a lot differently. But that's that's what he has done

1238
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 4: in his.

1239
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: History, Steven.

1240
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: I realize what the standings are, okay, but I want

1241
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: you to tell me in your thought, in your gut

1242
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: when you analyze top to bottom. And I know that

1243
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: this is fluid over the course of a year, but

1244
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: right now, to start December, tell me the four best

1245
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: teams in the AFC.

1246
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 4: H all right, I put New England in there. I

1247
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 4: don't think they're as good as eleven and two, Okay,

1248
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: I think the records are will inflated, but you know, look,

1249
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 4: it is what it is, right, eleven and two Patriots

1250
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: Broncos I think because I I just think that much

1251
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 4: of Sean Payton. I mean that's Tendon too anyway. But

1252
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like I think Sean Payton is is

1253
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: the real deal. Okay, beyond that, it gets murky. I say, hmm,

1254
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 4: it really is tough. I mean I think I want

1255
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 4: to put the Colts in there, but I don't. It

1256
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 4: just doesn't feel like the trajectory is there. You know.

1257
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: Let me give you a couple of teams, and I

1258
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you think the Colts

1259
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: are better, same as or below?

1260
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: Right now? You ready?

1261
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: Okay?

1262
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Chargers, and I don't know they beat them,

1263
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: I get it, right, Chargers above.

1264
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 4: Such an underwhelming team, they're the.

1265
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 9: Same, okay, ravens uh, I would say, uh, same because

1266
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 9: they have they both have lost.

1267
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: And then lastly the Buffalo Bills.

1268
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 4: Hmm, I like the Bills better. Just the quarterback is

1269
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 4: just the quarterback, frankly, I mean, comparable running game and

1270
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 4: much superior quarterback.

1271
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: I just feel like the AFC and that's why it's

1272
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: wide open. It's wide open. Yeah, I mean, there's just this.

1273
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 4: And that's they have that going for them. So so

1274
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: that is that's the beauty of this, right, Like you

1275
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 4: want to play at home, so you want to win

1276
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 4: the division. But at the same time, you know, like

1277
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 4: if they Let's say, you know, Baltimore wins the AFC

1278
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 4: North or something, and you got to go play Baltimore

1279
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 4: on the road in the as a wildcard. This is

1280
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 4: a totally hypothetical situation, right, but like, say you got

1281
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 4: to go play Baltimore on the road as a wildcard.

1282
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, all right, bring it on, you know

1283
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, it's not the it's not

1284
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 4: the scenario that you want. All I'm saying is I

1285
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: think you make a great point. You know, New England's

1286
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: probably getting that by unless the Broncos pulled out, so

1287
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna avoid them for a little bit. That first

1288
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 4: round is gonna be a very winnable game no matter

1289
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 4: who it is.

1290
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: I feel like now, at the beginning of the year, Eddie,

1291
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: we both had to pick the team that we thought

1292
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: was going to be surprisingly good. You said, New England.

1293
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: They're eleven and two. I said the Raiders. It looks

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Speaker 1: like you won that one, right, ye.

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Speaker 4: Wow. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I last missed between Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 1: I just I felt like the Raiders, you know, Rock

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Speaker 1: Bowers and I don't know, I thought the.

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Speaker 3: Raiders would be decent. That's a train wreck, right, it is.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, they missed on two things. They missed on

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Speaker 4: the quarterback on Gino, which no one necessarily predicted, but

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Speaker 4: they missed on the quarterback and they missed on the

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator Trip Kelly. The stories that came out after

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Speaker 4: he got fired were hilarious that like he was calling

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Speaker 4: stuff that wasn't even on the place.

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Speaker 3: She yeah, it took Bob stories right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Gino Smith looking looking at the sideline, I'm like, what

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Speaker 4: the hell are you talking about? It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: How did that's the coordinator of the offense not know

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Speaker 3: the offense?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I have no idea. He's like, we

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Speaker 4: didn't even talk about that play this week? Why are

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Speaker 4: you calling that?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: That's incredible, incredible story. So you know, that's that's what

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Speaker 4: happens after people getting fired. You you finally learned the truth.

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe there's some exaggeration, but I choose to

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Speaker 4: believe it.

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Speaker 1: What's the latest that you're working on at ESPN dot com?

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Speaker 4: So how did we get here? What happened to the Colts?

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Speaker 4: I think there's I highlighted five different things that I

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Speaker 4: think have have contributed to where they are, and one

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Speaker 4: I'll give you one real quick. We're probably coming up

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Speaker 4: on a break, but one of them is if you

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Speaker 4: go back early in the season on first downs, the

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Speaker 4: Colts were absolutely murdering people seven point two yards per

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Speaker 4: play on first down, which is the second highest in

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Speaker 4: the last fifteen years. Okay, that has fallen dramatically, and

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Speaker 4: that's how you end up in third and long all

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Speaker 4: day long and you go three for ten on third down.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say their third down efficiency on Sunday

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Speaker 1: was terrible.

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Speaker 4: Awful, awful. So look, the only team, by the way

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about through eight weeks, the only team in

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Speaker 4: the last fifteen years to have a better first down

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Speaker 4: performance is the twenty sixteen Falcons.

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Speaker 3: Think about that, the twenty sixteen Falcons.

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Speaker 4: Yep, that's the super Bowl team. Yep. That was twenty

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Speaker 4: eight to three.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight to three, baby, twenty eight to three, back

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Speaker 1: when Matt Ryan was Matt Ryan, before he was Colts

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 3: And now, and that's what I hate to say this man.

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Speaker 1: I thought Daniel Jones looked like Matt Ryan Colts mobility

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. But that's the Lenk I get it right,

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Speaker 1: And we got to say out there fair enough overcome that.

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Speaker 3: All right, Steven appreciate the time as

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Speaker 1: Always, all right, you got it, all right, Steven Holder

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Speaker 1: joining us ESPN dot com